thinking of trying linux,

Aussiemandeus@aussie.zone to Linux@lemmy.ml – 94 points –

My current issue is i see you guys constantly having issues, editing files etc.

Is it not stable?

Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?

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This is a forum where people seek help. Of course you're going to see problems here. Nobody posts "hey it's been several years and I've had no problems."

Of course linux is stable. It runs like 80% of servers on the Internet.

Can confirm. I've been using Linux for nearly 30 years... I don't post questions on forums. Bug reports for OSS projects, on the other hand...

Also can confirm. Been using Arch, which most people consider requires more fiddling than other distros, for almost 10 years now and have had few issues with it. I've had to fix my Windows install more than my Linux.

Hey, it's been well over a decade, and the largest problem I have is a crippling addiction to distro hopping.....

Personally, I don't get the appeal of distro hopping. I think it's nice to try different concepts, but there aren't that many.

You basically have the "classic" distributions, like Debian, Suse, Fedora and their derivatives and if you want those split up into the stable and the rolling distributions (Arch, maybe Debian Sid). Then there's the source-based distributions, most notably Gentoo and derivatives. Declarative distributions, NixOS and GUIX system. And then maybe the newer breed of immutable distributions like Fedora Silverblue.

To me, the difference between an Arch system and Debian are kind of minimal. Yet I'd always prefer Arch. But why would I hop to OpenSUSE?

Granted, I always install from the terminal anyways and build my system to my needs, so I usually don't get the default experience.

Welcome to the club. Just now I'm setting up Endeavour to give it another (14th) shot.

Big oof. May the kernel be with you.

I'm going to do my best to "wait" for PopOS 24.04 before I hop out again. It seemsbI finally got Endeavour right, with hybrid graphics and all. The only pain was actually how long it took to install Lubre Wolf. Ah, and that the first attempt at installing flatpaks, nothing was showing up after install until I rebooted. But now they work as expected.

Mmmmmm....that feeling when everything just finally falls into place and works right. chef's kiss

Only 80%?!? I assume *BSD isn't counted in that number. I really can't see people running windows on their servers...

And to be honest, server stability != display server stability.

To be honest I pulled the 80% out of my ass... It was the first reasonable looking number that came up on a quick search.

Of course linux is stable. It runs like 80% of servers on the Internet.

I assume *BSD isn’t counted in that number.

BSD isn't Linux.

Of course it's stable.

Just like with Windows, the more advanced stuff you do, the more advanced problems you'll have.

If you just wanna set and forget, avoid arch based and you're golden.

Well unless it's just editing the text file. God forbid you unknowingly enter vim and don't know how to get out without rebooting.

Thing is, when people say that windows doesn't break, they mean that it doesn't break for normal users. I'd be surprised if those know what a command like editor is, to begin with.

And it totally does break, it's just that people are familiar with the ways windows breaks, and know how to work around it.

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I second this advice. Arch is a rolling-release distribution, so most of its packages are updated to the latest releases as soon as they come out, regardless of whether they’re tested to be stable with other software and hardware configurations.

I have “ubuntu server” installed on an old computer I use for hosting game servers. That thing is incredibly stable and low-maintenance.

Exactly .... If all you're going to do is go online and maybe write a document once in a while ... a simple distro like Mint or PopOS will just work without issue.

This is odd phrasing. It sounds like you're saying mint and pop aren't capable of more. Same when people call them "good for newbs"n implying that more advanced users flock elsewhere.

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Keep in mind that all the people who are just happily going about their day to day with it and not having issues are probably not posting. The only reason most people make posts is to complain about something or get assistance troubleshooting an issue. It also really depends on what all you want to do with it.

The people who gave up because they couldn't solve their issues aren't posting either.

I agree. I am posting about Linux when I use it, but have been back on windows for years now, and guess what - I'm not posting about Linux. This proves your point.

One of my favorite things about Linux is this: you can try it. Get a thumb drive, get Rufus or Etcher. Download Mint, Ubuntu, something with a "Live Linux". Boot from the thumb drive, spend an hour or two surfing, clicking around, seeing if things work. 2018, you had like an 80% chance of a flawless experience. 2024, it's way higher! Plus, the alternatives have gotten slower, more bloated, more interested in monetizing you than serving you, so even if it feels strange, and you have to relearn some stuff, more than ever, it might be worth it.

Even if it didn't work quite right, keep the thumb drive around. The number of times I've rescued an important file off of a messed up system using a thumb drive with Mint on it? You'd be surprised.

Just want to mention Ventoy here. Able to boot from one thumb drive into a selection of distros? Yes please.

I also use Ventoy. Someone says it has problems, I never found them

Some older PCs are cranky and won’t boot it. Some newer PCs refused as well, to ‘protect’ me from a shim.

Agreed! That's a couple steps after you convert into a full-blown LiNerd, but I have a Ventoy nestled next to my portable Mint. I landed on Ventoy after I snagged an IODD-2541 and decided that someone had to have implemented the concept in software.

Yes. Install Linux Mint and be done. Just works. A lot of "problems" people have are because they enjoy tinkering and that will sometimes break stuff. Leave it alone and it'll be very stable.

the dark secret of linux is that there are just as many people who dont understand how to solve problems and resort to searching the correct way to shake a dead chicken as with every other platform.

Ever read some of the microsoft forums? Just as many people seeking help there - the only difference is we don't have an over eager paid employee replying with scripted answers which don't help.

Linux is as simple or as complicated as you want it to be. Most of the mainstream distros "just work" on most hardware. I've installed Mint, Rocky, Ubuntu and Debian on laptops and desktops for relatives, including those who aren't remotely technically gifted. It was as easy/easier as Windows to install, set up and get running. The users are happy - they can use cheaper hardware (and don't need to upgrade a perfectly good laptop for Windows 11) and are entirely free of software costs and subscriptions. Everything works and things don't break - just like Windows and Macs. Most people just want their computer to turn on and let them run stuff. All three do that equally as well.

I've also installed linux on hardware clusters costing hundreds of thousands of pounds and that definitely wasn't a simple or quick process, but that's the nature of the task. Actually, installing the base os was probably the easiest part. Windows just isn't an option for that.

You ask a fair question - you're not unique in your viewpoint and that's probably hampered takeup more than anything else. What makes you a bit better than most is that you actually ask the question and appear to be open to the answers.

Thanks for the write up,

I'm going to look into it in the next few weeks.

Who’s going to post online about when nothing eventful happened and they have no issues?

Maybe you are seeing issues as the people who don't have issues rarely post.

What's your setup? I can tell you if there are things you might have issues with.

It's very old, i would have to take a look later on, but due to the age of the hardware i sas planning a new build.

I did consider the "survival bias" probably not thenright term. But thats whyi was asking here obviously squeaky wheels get the oil.

If you leave it alone, it's practically always fine. But the urge to tinker is strong!

Hence some addicted to the itch of distro hopping.

Yes Stable Linux variants (also known as distros) are very widely used, and range from Linux mint which is completely stable with no issues for day to day use (assuming you don't use an Nvidia card) to Debian which which has a selling point of not changing anything beyond security updates for like 6 years straight

Most people here will be talking about there bleeding edge systems which will use code that is often in beta or use systems so new they don't have proper documentation (the bcachefs file system which showed up last month comes to mind).

Just ot make it clear to OP, Stable does NOT nesesarily mean bug free. Just like how most people are on the "stable" branch of Windows 10 or 11,but they still encounter bugs, "stable" Linux distros can also have bugs.

The difference between "stable" and not stable is that: 1.) The system is "stable" in that it's very unlikely to crash. Stable Linux distros are much preferred for servers, for instance. 2.) Any OS related bugs you find will still be there likely until the next big release. (with Debian iirc this is like every 4 years)

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I never had issues with Nvidia on Mint, but I recently upgraded to a 7800xt and had issues in some games. Switched to Ubuntu 23.10 with Wayland and back to no issues. I recommend Mint for all new Linux users, unless you have current gen hardware. Then you might want a newer kernel. Linux Mint is very stable and you can expect the same amount of bugs as Windows 10. Less bugs than Win11 I think.

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You're always going to see people with problems in support forums. If your Linux system is running well, you're less likely to post about it than if you're having problems.

Hi! I'm not having any problems with linux. I just thought you'd like to know.

There. Now there's a message in the support forums about a person not having problems!

gives an idea to create something like "stablelinux" where people share uptime and what practices they use to not get into trouble

Those communities got a little stale when enough people started reporting uptime in decades. Also, unless you're on a flavor that can upgrade the kernel while the system is live, good uptimes these days are just the time between kernel updates.

This seems to imply that other operating systems don't have issues and don't require editing files.

Compared to Windows, I've had fewer frustrating issues on Linux. I think the reason you hear about these issues is because the Linux community naturally encourages sharing these issues. If I have a niche problem, I can share it, then the community will work together to solve it so it isn't an issue anymore. On Windows, you might run a troubleshooting wizard that might solve the problem, and if it doesn't you'll probably take it to MS support who'll walk you through it. If that doesn't fix it, you'll likely just wait for a bug fix in the next update. Point being, they get talked about less because the system doesn't encourage problem solving on the users end (as much as Linux does).

As for editing files, sure, you do a lot of that on Linux. On Windows, you use a settings menu to fiddle with things, but all that settings menu does is give you a button to press. Pressing that button is just a fancy visual way of editing a file somewhere. Linux just often forgoes the graphical interface and encourages you to get used to editing those files directly.

Just to add one point to the end there, a lot of times in Windows it isn't even a file it's editing, or at least not a plain text file you could even edit manually, so it's much more obfuscated even than that.

Or it's a setting in the registry that pretty much everyone says "do not touch if you don't know what you're doing, you will break your system"... Nowhere in Linux will you be editing something that can break your install while configuring your default keyboard layout (as an example)

Yes thats definitely something worth noting. I was just bringing up the point that in the end, all settings are just little parameters in some file or registry, and that there's no practical difference between flipping a switch in a GUI to the off position vs adding a '#' in a config file to comment out a line or option. One just looks intimidating if you aren't used to it, but in reality it gives you much more control and teaches you more about your system.

Linux distros are maintained by people that want to create the best OS possible. Windows is maintained by a company that wants to sell you something.

And out of thousands of good reasons to choose Linux over everything else out there, this has to be in the top 3 list.

It's perfectly stable. Linux just generally attracts people who like to tinker and tweak things, in particular because it's much easier to do and gives you a lot of power and flexibility in making the machine your own.

My laptop running Arch Linux has remained problem-free for the last 6 years or so since I installed it.

yeah i've basically never had an issue that wasn't my fault for tinkering with something that is either unstable or that i didn't understand well enough.

i will say that rolling releases like arch can introduce system-breaking issues (it happened to me like twice in the 3 years i've been running arch, but man it sucks when it happens) so users who aren't so into tweaking and messing with their systems should probably opt for something more stable.

I would argue that, even if you're not into tinkering, you're still better off running a solidly proven Linux distro that requires minimal to no maintenance other than software updates (Debian stable, PopOS, Linux Mint, etc.). Just "flatpak" your way into having what you want, and leave the system itself alone, just like you do with Windows, but with less chance of something breaking and driving you mad when you suddenly land a BSOD. In any case, it's highly likely that you'll end up beginning to tinker after somentime feeling comfortable with Linux, happens to everyone I know has come to this side of happiness. Be aware that, once you are used to ANY Linux use, you'll be wondering why you put up with all the Microsoft or Apple crap for so long. I can't imagine ever going back to that.

In general it's pretty stable. That being said, especially when you're using bleeding edge hardware, it's not perfect.

Take my Radeon 7800 XT as an example. I'm using Linux on my desktop as of January 1st pretty much, and decided I'll go for Fedora as it's pretty up-to-date in terms of kernel releases but also has a great out-of-the-box experience. Kernel 6.6 has been pretty good for me, but newer kernels (6.7.x and 6.8) have issues with my setup. Engaging VRR (variable refresh rate) after the computer wakes up from standby leads to part of the screen flickering white for a few frames every now and then, and eventually the system crashes. Up to 6.7.4 the GPU only output a black screen after standby or even after a warm restart. The latter has been resolved in 6.7.5 but the former issue has not. I've been following a few issues, adding a crash report here and there, trying patch files, but so far to no avail.

This means I'm basically stuck on 6.6 for now, which also means I'm compiling the kernel myself to get the latest patch release, as Fedora doesn't maintain 6.6 anymore.

I had even more issues with Nvidia combined with Wayland. Ironically, Intel Arc probably works the best in terms of stability in my experience.

I'm going to say that in terms of GPU stability, I had a better experience with Windows. Sure, the odd AMD driver release has issues, but Windows does a way better job in recovering from a GPU driver crash. The monolithic nature of Linux means a GPU driver crash will often kill the whole system. I had a case where the system recovered, but in a new desktop session with my running desktop applications orphaned somewhere (basically forcing me to restart). Windows usually just restarts the GPU driver (because it's mostly running in user space, which it isn't in Linux) and you can continue.

I also had an issue with my network adapter (Intel 2.5G onboard) dropping connection after several hours of use. A workaround involved editing boot parameters to prevent PCIe from going into some sort of power saving mode. Searching for the issue revealed that it's likely because how ASUS (mainboard) configured the onboard network adapter.

You'll also need to fiddle with Feral GameMode to properly pin games to the 3D cache cores on a 7950X3D. This is more "set and forget" with Windows Game Bar.

To be honest, Windows is a pretty solid OS from a technical perspective. It has its downsides, but so has Linux. Don't switch for an allegedly technical superior experience. Switch if you don't agree with what Microsoft is doing from a user experience perspective. That's why I switched.

All that being said, Linux at its core is super stable. I use Linux on a few servers for many, many years now, and I don't think I ever had a system crash.

Thanks for the detailed write up. My main motivation or switching is Microsofts way of doing things, im tired of the forced subscription plans they're moving too.

I wish i could have XP and be done with it haha

If you pick a well known distribution such as Pop Os or Linux Mint you will have very little issues, and if you have any, you will be able to easily find help since they are very popular, and they are also using Ubuntu as a base, which is the most popular of the popular distros.

Can vouch for mint. Have had almost no issues with it, I barely even touch the terminal unless I'm doing development.

I'm old. Mint 15 XFCE, I burnt an installed copy onto a thumb drive, and ran into a weird grub glitch. Asked on a Mint forum, and Clem himself (maker of Mint) wrote me a detailed how-to-fix. Warm fuzzy feelings for Mint.

Vouching for PopOS, which has been my primary OS for years. The only thing I run a Win VM for is the old Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas & Campaign Cartographer. I suppose I could tinker with Wine, but it tends to be finicky with the latter.

My only complaint with Pop os is its high Ram usage and Pop is shop eating all CPU resources.

I run Pop and Mint in VMs with Fedora as my main system

I've usually run linux until I got sick of having problems with it and then install windows... until I got sick of having problems with it and then switch to linux again.

There is no OS without issues. In my experience, that may not be the same as others, linux problems tend to be more frequent, smaller and easier to fix. While windows problems tend to be less frequent but more problematic and harder to fix (I'm looking at you windows update which destroyed all my OS).

But if you are going to use linux you are going to need to tweak some things. The tinkering to make it all work is easy as the community forums have all the answers (btw windows support forums are the WORST, 99% of proposed solutions are useless).

Constantly having issues

You're going to see a lot of issues on Linux boards because people go to then for help. I've been running Linux since 2020 and though there have been hiccups, its been remarkably reliable. Having said that, when there ARE issues, it can take some digging to find answers.

Is it not stable

Moreso than Win 11, in my experience. I use Win 11 at work and I've needed a system wipe twice. Once because networking just... stopped... and once because appx apps decided not to load.

Ongoing issues

Plugging PopOS as a good "set and forget" distro that is easy to grasp. The workflow is very MacOS and the tweaks they've made make for a friendlier interface v Ubuntu, IMO.

PopOS or Mint are the way to go for users who dont want to fiddle with their computer. Stick to the default package manager and let it do the work for you and problems will be rare.

In the last years I've tried Ubuntu, Debian, crunchbang and PopOS. A few months ago I asked IT if I could change the os on my company laptop from Windows 10 to Linux Mint. It means I have to stay outside the AD domain, but since almost everything (email, teams, OneDrive...) is available on the web, the only downside is not being able to use the wifi projectors. I can live with that. Mint is simple to use, easy on the eyes and stable as hell. And windows games run really well with proton, except maybe Starfield but I can wait :)

May I ask what you thought of PopOS? I've been considering taking another stab at a Linux dual boot and it's down to that or Mint. My last attempt was Manjaro several years ago but I didn't stick with it.

I don't think you could go wrong with any of the top user/newb friendly distros. I see Mint mentioned a few times in these responses, and I agree, use Mint. It's a nice distro.

It's as stable as you want it to be. I break my system a lot more than expected because I'm deleted directories and files I'm not supposed to. Experimenting with a bunch of stuff. My laptop is using the same distro (Arch) and I don't do weird stuff with it so it runs perfectly fine.

It depends what you want it to do. For basic stuff, linux desktop works fine. If you need specific software i'd look into if it's doable and how hard it is first.

Linux by default runs fine and without issues, if you pick a distro with stable releases. If you go with something like Arch, you likely will run into issues. If you want to do heavy modifications or run fancy software, you tend to run into issues. Thing about the fancy software is, it tenda to only work properly on linux, hence the issues being linux related.

If you're a gamer, just don't. A lot of people here will say you can run almost any game easily, but you usually need to do some fancy commands per specific game to get it to run properly. Which is fine if you just play one game occasionally, but if you hop between games or like buying the latest games, don't.

If you have a specific preference for desktop environment, make sure it comes with the distro and is well supported by it. You can install whatever you want on any distro, but you have more chance to break shit.

I'd go with Mint or Ubuntu for your first try.

How out of date is your comment about gaming? I barely touch my terminal and have never had issues with my linux gaming pc. If you use steam proton just works

He's just flat out wrong about gaming. I haven't had to put in any special "commands" (unless he means the tick box in steam settings to allow compatibility on all games, which I checked once and didn't have to futz with anymore...) and I haven't run into a game I wanted to play and couldn't. I've heard that games that rely on aggressive root-kit anti-cheat don't work, but I've avoided those titles on principle for a decade at least. But if those are titles you want to play, then yes, you'll need windows - no amount of tweaks or commands will make them work in Linux because of the game developer's choices.

That said, it really makes me wonder if gaming on Debian derivatives is worse? I can only speak to what I've used which is fedora based and arch based. And no I don't constantly run into issues with either. I've spent less time "fixing" stuff since I switched to Linux, not more. Ymmv.

Yeah i use Garuda which is also arch based and i have a lot of random shit break but never my games

Yes yes, i oversimplfied it for the sake of explaining to someone who doesnt know linux. I'm talking about having to figure out specific parameters that may or may not work on some hardware but not on others. I had this issue with 2 of 4 games i tried in 2021. Eventually i did get both games to work but with weird glitches.

I dont think debian is the issue, but nvidia and it's wonky ass linux drivers. my 12 button mouse is also useless in linux. maybe it's better by now. last time i tried i had issues with wayland. though i heard big update for fedora was coming for wayland in may (?) 2024, so i might try again then.

The biggest thing that always gets in my way is no Visual Studio IDE support. yes, theres other IDEs, i've tried them all with various levels of wonk to the point i end up jus not being able productive with c# or be even less productive in other languages.

Same with photoshop or video editing sofware. Sure, you got gimp and kedit, but theyre just not as good and have weird issues.

80% of my linux issues happened because of me

I'd suggest that Linux tends to attract a higher percentage of people that want to tinker with their OS, and tinkering with your OS can lead to some unexpected outcomes, or outright break things that someone would have to turn to the community for help.

It depends a lot on what you want to do with it though too. Browsing the web, checking email, spreadsheets / word processing, etc? You could likely install literally any Linux os and be fine, and definitely be fine with the mainstream core distros.

If you're gaming, I'd recommend a distro aimed at gaming. PopOS, nobara, bazzite, or Garuda all come to mind, depending on your preferred flavor.

But, as much as it pains me to say it, if you need to run, for example, Adobe or Autodesk products (or something similarly specialized and proprietary) you'll probably have a better time doing it in windows. There are alternative options that will work in Linux fine, but if it's for work or some other situation that requires you to use those specific proprietary products, you might be stuck.

Search this community for the many other "Which OS" posts and you'll find many well explained options for what you seem to be seeking.

Part of Linux culture is customizing your system. Linux allows you to do much more with your computer, but some of these things require tinkering or might cause you to break your setup. If you don't tinker much things will most likely be stable, but having the ability to tinker is for me a major part of the appeal. What are you hoping to get out of using linux? It's a good alternative if you wanna make an old computer run more smoothly, if you care about privacy or if you don't want to have to pay for your operating system, and if any of those are your main reason go for it and it will probably work out smoothly. If you're interested in linux because it seems "cool" or "fun" you're probably gonna have to do some tinkering so in that case you should be prepared to edit some files, read some instructions and possibly ask for help online.

It really depends on what distro you choose because they are different Operating Systems using the same kernel and somewhat similar structure. Some are meant to have lots of user input and tweaking, some come ready to go with no real need to mess under the hood. I.e. Gentoo you will compile stuff, nixOS you will setup a config file or two, arch you might do tweaks after bleeding edge updates need some fiddling, then there is OpenSUSE where you have GUI for all settings and never need to edit files manually.

Part of the linux experience is trying a bunch and finding one that suits your interest.

I run Linux on my personal machine.

My needs aren't particularly demanding. Web browsing, watching streaming services, accounting software, some low impact games, 3D modeling, and running a video server.

I assembled my machine from $500 worth of parts 12 years ago. In between, I've added some RAM, and about 8TB of mirrored disk to store movies for the video server.

Admittedly, I'm starting to be concerned about the age of the disks, and I think I'd like a better processor, but money is tight.

Given the age of the thing, there's a chance that it's just going to drop dead one of these days, but it's been running for years without me having to do anything but install updates for the OS.

You can find used hardware online for fairly cheap. Maybe start keeping your eyes peeled for a good deal. Look for workstation class machines

I had far more issues on windows than I ever have on mint.

When I had issues on windows, which i would run into multiple times a week, the "fixes" would be hacky, slapped-together nonsense that don't even make sense on paper. I had to change almost every program manually to run as administrator. Installing old games was a nightmare and didn't always work properly, even with compatibility modes. New drivers would break stuff. Trying to learn anything new was a rabbit hole that took countless hours and then I only learned the fix for that one specific use-case, and not anything... overarching. System updates were so intrusive, installing crap I didn't want or removed manually, I disabled them completely. It was slow and boot took forever. Ending system processes via task manager didn't always work and the system would freeze often when something went wrong. Often uninstalling programs was messy and left shit all over in the system registry and files and you would have to defrag and system clean once it started getting bloated.

When my windows install finally broke completely just trying to get shit to work the way I wanted, I bailed.

Transitioning to mint was certainly a learning experience.

Reorganizing your workflow will always be more upfront work, but I found I took to the changes fairly quickly. I found the file structure the most odd, but I became very used to it and very much prefer it over how hard it is to find stuff spread scattershot in windows files. It had a lot of little quality of life things that I really appreciate, mounting and unmounting external drives felt better, way more stuff worked out of the box, old games were not a nightmare to get working because they're had longstanding fixes for years that actually make sense. Solutions, in general, make way more sense to me, and I actually get a sense that I understand why they function. My boot time is very fast and I've never broken my system (I came close once doing something incredibly stupid and very niche, but I just timeshifted back and voila, fixed.)

Fixes or changes for preference tend to "stick" for me, like when I swapped to pipewire myself it's been very smooth sailing. I can pick and choose updates or ignore packages that don't work. There was an issue with kernels for a while that significantly increased my boot times; I just postponed that update for a few versions until one of the newer ones worked. I find I can get down similar rabbit holes to learn some stuff, but it both feels more like "lasting" solutions (and I learn more about how to do other stuff) as well as just more fun. Documentation is a lot better with users who know what they're doing instead of the guesswork "well I dunno but this might have worked for me, I tried 20 fixes so it's probably one of these!" I would run into on windows troubleshooting...

I think my favourite part of linux is a lot of things I wanted solutions to, for years, usually have at least one person out there with a similar issue that wrote a small program that just does it. Does it well. For free. I spent so much time digging for really basic stuff like a sound equalizer that wasn't garbage, bloatware, full of trackers, or ransomware! I don't have to spend hours trying to find a stinkin' RGB controller that isn't awful because the choices available are just better! I don't have to spend weeks comparing and contrasting antivirus-es and hate all of them in the end!

I find mint extremely stable and have no urge to swap nor return to windows. I find it much more stable for my use-case. I really like it, actually, and I appreciate how a lot of it is set up. Been using it daily for 4 years.

I loathed windows the entire time I used it, and had been side-eyeing linux for quite a while before committing. I don't know if I'm a "normal" use-case, probably not. Possibly it is best to take my experience as, "if you keep hitting walls often in windows that frustrate the hell out of you, linux might be a decent choice for you, and might "feel easier."" Both have their own quirks and own troubleshooting, I just prefer the ones on mint and they make more sense to me. (And take me far less time.)

Unless there is a specific niche software that is only on windows, you shouldn't have issues out of the box.

Some games have some compatibility issues, but it is getting better everyday.

I think the biggest hurdle for many people is that they are so used to Windows that it is daunting learning a new way of using their computer.

But once you get over that hurdle, it is frustrating going back to Windows. The amount of ads and pop-ups in Windows is criminal.

Try to use a user friendly distro. I use Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE plasma) and it is great.

Frustrating, that's the word I was looking for when I was looking for about using Windows. My kids started using computers with Linux (Zorin first, then PopOS and now Fedora Gnome) and they won't touch their mom's computer because she uses Windows. They both say that's a hideous and unnecessarily complicated OS 🤣. If I may say so myself, I've done great as a dad, lol.

Linux is stable if you pick a stable distribution. The big thing is the skill floor is higher than windows, but the skill ceiling is way higher too. But yeah pick a well respected LTS distribution (not arch based, use a Debian based one) and Linux will be just a boring computer until you start fucking with it. But you can fuck with it, and that’s the beauty and the danger of it. Remember the “delete system 32” memes? Yeah you can’t do that in windows anymore, they idiot proofed it so hard it’s smart people proof too, linux will let you make a terrible decision if you sudo it.

I really wish Linux desktop was stable. On Ubuntu 22.04, this year alone I had nvidia driver failures, wake up from sleep issues, crypsetup failing to decrypt the root drive on startup (and dropping to a busybox shell), gnome UI freezing and more.

I’ve been using Linux for over ten years and love it. On servers, it’s rock solid but on desktop it’s hit and miss. The good part is that problems are fixable, it’s just not user friendly.

Not sure what you're doing, but I've been using Debian and Pop_OS! without issue for work and gaming for 4 years. I've never had to reinstall or troubleshoot something unless I created a problem doing something stupid.

Just go ahead and try. You don't really need our permission to do that. Most distros support "live install" direct from the installation media, without making changes to your system. If you don't like it, reboot and you're back to whatever you had before

Have fun!

And to answer your double negation questions, yes and yes.

You don't really need our permission to do that.

User is not in the Install_Linuxers file. This incident will be reported.

Been using fedora for a few years now and the most recent issue I had was it wouldn't update because of Google Chrome for some reason. Uninstalled that and it works just fine

Hehe, you got your answer. You're lokking at the places where 0.05% of the users are discussing their problems and some others share their crazy customizations that aren't possible with anything else. And it seems like 95% of users having issues to you.

I'd argue Linux is way more stable than Windows. If that's your perspective. (Unless you do silly stuff.) But less stable than for example MacOS. It depends on which Linux Distro we're talking about. I'd say it's MacOS > Linux > Windows. With the biggest step down from Linux to Windows.

MacOS > Linux ?

Honestly I'm not too sure, some distros (like debian) are much more stable IMO. We also have immutables distros which are more annoying to work with but hey let's compare apples to apples here.

You're right. It's an oversimplification I made there. I recently tried MacOS in a VM and I talked a bit to people. You usually get a really smooth desktop experience. Apps are sandboxed, there is a fine permission system, they keep their stuff together and don't spread them across the filesystem. I think(?) the software brings their libraries along? Usually a used Macbook Pro is still fine and runs fast after 6 years. I think MacOS really shines on the desktop.

On Linux it's a bit more diverse. I mean we have the XDG specification file locations. But there's also lots of 'grown' stuff. We're still working on the sandboxing. And you get a different experience depending on the distro you're trying. And I'd prefer Linux on a server every time. It really excels for that use case and on the server we have Linux > everything else. And as a matter of fact I personally also prefer Linux on the desktop. And my Debian is also still running perfectly 6 years after I initially installed it. Had some minor issues with NVidia during the times, but that's to be expected and it wasn't that hard to fix. I wouldn't have had issues had I not mixed in testing and unstable, but there are lots of guides and tutorials around for the common woes. Which makes my argument a full circle.

Linux users would post their problems on various forums, but very rarely post their success story. Linux desktop is actually pretty good at this point. Just pick a distro and try it yourself.

There are a lot of help posts on the MS and other windows forums too. Computers and OSes will always have issues because of complexity and incompatibilities between hardware and software. No matter if you install Windows, Linux, or MacOS. The machines that are least buggy because each manufacturer is doing extensive tests, are the mobile OSes, iOS and (most) Android. It's not as possible to do the same on a desktop OS. So cut your losses, and install Linux Mint, which is I believe it's the best for newbies.

You absolutely can. I set up my Debian server to automatically stay updated and restart regularly and don't have to touch it if I don't want to. Yesterday, air had to spend like 30 min getting kde 6 setup on tumbleweed because it's a roll in ng distro. The nice thing about linux is it allows you to make trade offs depending on what your priorities are.

The thing is that people use Linux and than find it so good that they try to find problems in order to spend time playing with it. It's like a hobby, or a game... But you can also use it without making it a hobby. Ubuntu was born for this, but for that I would honestly suggest something like Manjaro

Manjaro? Are you sure?

I never tried PopOS, but I would never suggest Ubuntu. Manjaro is easy, updated, there are many people using it, offers large number of software, works well with Nvidia and other propietary drivers (the thing that generates issues for new users, usually). I know people think they had "security" problems, but they always explained what happened, and they just had a bad contract with the CDN service and a misleading error message in pamac, that didn't impact the security of the user.

First time I tried switching to linux I went with mint and I had a lot of problems, everything I hated about windows seems to be even worse there. I switched back to windows for a year but last month I gave linux another shot with Manjaro. And I managed to fully switch to linux without any big problems so far. There is a lot to like about it, especially for a linux begginer like myself.

I am not really qualified to recommend it, but my experience as a noob has been great (gaming with linux native games and windows games, watching movies, customizing things, modding games...)

Car enthusiasts spend a lot more time under the hood than normal drivers. You'll find a similar effect here.

Install something like Linux Mint, maybe chase down a few quirks with your particular hardware (for instance, I installed a surround sound system with a fairly hot amplifier, so every time the motherboard turns the sound chip on and off there's a loud pop, so I had to change a couple settings in some config files from 1 to 0 and Y to N, and it's been fine ever since) and you're pretty much golden until you decide to start messing with something.

There are extremely stable Linux distros, there are Linux distros that aren't so stable, but come with newer packages. Which one you choose depends on what you want.

The biggest issues I've had were either because of hardware (native drivers not supported by manufacturer) or because I was manually editing config files.

Not using Windows except for work, I use Linux mostly because of Microsoft's design decisions. I guess depending on your use case, Windows can be a perfectly fine OS. Personally, I think their behavior is unprofessional (trying to force Microsoft accounts on users, ads in the start menu, integration of AI into the system which means transmitting data to their servers etc) so I'm willing to accept tradeoffs for systems which do not come with these downsides.

In the end, OSs are inherently complex.

Linux Mint (I'd recomment Debian edition, LMDE) is basically what you want to try out. I've set up a PC with it for my stepfather that hasn't used Linux at all and he's happy with it. It's designed to be as newbie-friendly as possible. You won't have more issues with it than you'll already have using Windows.

Then if you feel unsatisfied with anything about it, you can go looking for other linux distributions (distros) because you have a general idea what's happening.

You won't have more issues with it than you'll already have using Windows.

You absolutely will, and the ones you get will be harder to solve. It's far more useable than it used to be, but the overall experience with Windows is still easier.

BUT it probably is quite usable for you overall. Just don't go into it expecting nothing but smooth sailing.

IMO and maybe a wrong one, issues tend to happen for four reasons:

  • incompatible hardware
  • hardware failure
  • update breaks everything
  • I wanna do a cool thing from the internet

I'll say that the third one is very rarely occurring in Mint, and I wouldn't say it's not happening in Windows.

The first one is in my experience the most common, though less frequent than it was some time ago.

The last one is the reason you see many posts around here :)

There's a common joke that it's not linux, it's gnu linux and this is followed by a long copy pasta about how linux is only the kernel which is the code that handles managing how your machine is used

In this case this is important, linux can be a stable os (notible examples include android os, linux mint, debian stable, as well as the server distributions) these generally update slower in order to make sure bugs get squashed. On the other hand there are linux operating systems that are difficult to use for a beginner such as arch, void, and gentoo. There are also distrobutions that have a bad habit of breaking manjaro, gentoo, come to mind. If you want a linux experience that is set it up once and have no more problems than anyone might expect to have on windows you can do that (sometimes you'll run into a situation where you have a device that doesn't play well with linux like an algato streamdeck or a device that doesn't have a driver yet like my sister's laptop webcam (thanks acer much appreciated) but in general you can have a stable easy experience as long as you aren't trying to do anything crazy

Here's my recommendation, make a linux mint thumbdrive boot off it, play around with it, and test varius hardware you have (ie bluetooth, webcam, that one usb dingle doop that no one else has but you use every day). Maybe don't install it (or do chances are it'll be just fine) but boot off it often, and once you've learnt the os pretty well, back up everything you care about and install linux mint

As an, aside i love your username, very clever

Depends on what you want to do. For most general uses, Linux is stable af.

Unlike Windows, Linux doesn't really try to stop you from doing much when it comes to customization, scripting and tinkering, the only limitations are your abilities and how well you can find proper information on the internet. The more exotic sort of thing you try to do the more likely you may inadvertently break something. That said, have fun with it, try the live distro, then dual booting first, and if you do break something you can easily reinstall, until you're ready to move fully.

Linux has different flavors, some with bleeding edge updates like Arch, some rock-stable and built on FOSS like Debian, some that force you to compile nearly everything on your end to save fractions of seconds in compute time like Gentoo, and some meant to be as beginner friendly as possible like Cinammon/Mint.

Linux "fans" are likely to use something like Arch and break something, then fix it. People who use Linux will use Fedora or something and call it a day. You don't have to go down the rabbit hole and play with all of the shiny new tools as they release.

Depends on the distro, some are rolllig. /s

And some are intended to fiddle with (Arch and Gentoo for example). Others are made to explore new ways to do things (like immutable root, state managing package manager, each app in their folder Mac-style, such things). Of course there's a lot of stable general-use distros too. But you may ask someone else for examples.

From my experience having used Linux for years: Here is the full list of problems I encountered that I'd say are not the result of me tinkering:

  • Nvidia driver is fucked up
  • A hard drive also used by Windows won't mount
  • The software app can't update my system
  • 2nd monitor won't work correctly (pretty much solved nowadays)

Those are fairly common issues afaik, and they are caused by using a slightly more complex setup (dual-booting Windows, extra repos in the package manager) and notoriously troublesome Nvidia hardware. For all but the last there is a one-line command you can run to fix it, and it took maybe 2 min to find it on my phone.

Apart from these issues it's been rock solid, so I'd say you're good as long as you avoid those known causes for problems (No Nvidia, no Windows, no extra repos), or you are able to find solutions to the most common problems and run simple commands on the terminal.

Until one of the RAM sticks went bad, my parents, who are in their 60s ran Ubuntu Linux for years without an issue. I set it up in 2016, as a dual boot with Windows. They almost never booted into Windows, and told me they preferred Linux.

My children ran Mint desktops for years without issue or complaint. When I bought them new laptops though I decided to let them run the default Windows.

(To preface, when I say "Linux", I'm referring to the effectively established colloquialism that "Linux" means kernel + utilities + distribution = operating system)

Right. In fact, at home, I run all three operating systems. To me, it's using the right tool for the job. Windows is a great OS for gaming (though Valve is working to make it as viable on Linux, it's still not...quite...there, but close). Mac is great for UX, media work, and as a work PC (software development or otherwise). Linux is great for tinkering, software development, and running services.

The "issues" that the OP even refers to are usually not so much real issues, but rather a person simply trying to learn. And that's what is great about Linux for someone who doesn't yet know it -- there's a LOT to learn. I've been using Linux since 1999 (big box Redhat 5.1!) and I still often learn something new about it.

The “issues” that the OP even refers to are usually not so much real issues, but rather a person simply trying to learn.

Very much agree. In a lot of cases the problems people encounter are just a different and therefor unfamiliar way of doing things. This can sometimes be remedied by finding a GUI that is more similar to what they are familiar with, but this is also likely a different and unfamiliar task :)

I'm genuinely curious, what was their reaction to the OS change?

No issues really. They had used Windows machines at school as well as chromebooks so they were not married to any single interface. For them the GUI was a way to open a browser or art program. It was the tools that mattered.

That makes sense. My kids were exposed to Chromebooks at some point (when I was still a Google tool), but the freedom to break and fix whatever that want with Linux just dazzled them, which adds to my happiness 😏

Was it an LTS release? 2016 is a long way to go without a major update for Ubuntu.

Maybe I'm just spoilt as I have a rolling distro.

Yes, 16.04 LTS. And they updated as I helped them update, but never went beyond some patch level of 16.04. The point here is that they ran for many years with complete stability, no viruses or malware, and preferred it.

Look, programs always have issues, always have bugs. The best model on linux dostro is "rolling release", which is explicit about constantly fixing the issues.

As everyone is saying, Linux can be perfectly stable, depending on your distribution.

The only thing I’d think about is that you could have to tweak a few things to get everything working at the beginning.

For instance, I had nothing to change to make everything work in Fedora on my Surface Go, but I gad to enable rom fusion in the terminal to get the wifi working on my wife’s MacBook Pro.

Otherwise, you can just enjoy your Linux distribution as long as you don’t want to do crazy stuff out of the beaten paths.

Im a big zorin fan. Its an out of the box distro that focuses on windows compatiblity. that means it comes with tons of preinstalled apps so that you can do things right away like edit docs or watch videos but it also comes with well configured play on linux so that there is a good chance you can run any needed windows programs that you need to. Maybe people graduate out to more unixy stuff but its funny. Im a tech guy but in my personal life I just want to install and go. https://zorin.com/os/

Isn't Zorin abandoned? Anyway I would stick to the well beaten path of Linux Mint or Pop os

My experince :

Tbh motherboard matters. Updating my msi motherboard actually fixed a major issue for me preventing grub from letting me select what OS to load on boot.

I installed linux mint and did have to do a bit of tinkering to get my audio to work from the front panel too. Found answers in the mint forums.

Other than that my discord streams have no audio and discords screen capture daemon or whatever keeps the computer from shutting down for like a minute after i try to.

Those are the only issues Ive had though.

As for lack of features, no HDR sucks, but other than that I'm good.

Warpinator is nice for syncing files with my phone.

Also enjoying the simpler feel compared to windows, and no ads.

Well since a few days my laptop speakers do not work anymore lmao. I had to install it 4 times to make my gpu drivers work. If you're not that teck savy it's fine but you need to atleast be interested in it and ready for it, and also patient. If you have a laptop I strongly advise you check online to see how well supported it is and if you have a nvidia card check if people are having issues.

Good luck on your journey, so far i don't regret my choice mostly because i know that linux is so maleable no matter the issue i'll get it fixed.

I’ve never really had issues with Fedora (has more up to date software vs Debian stable) or Debian, they generally just work. Back when I used arch there were a couple of times in about a year and a half where it stopped booting (mobile nvidia graphics forced me to do weird things that lead to issues), but that’s a less stable OS on top of a bad hardware setup for Linux (obligatory fuck Nvidia).

Most problems I run into with Linux are caused by me doing weird things. Linux doesn’t prevent you from messing with things you don’t understand but if you just want to use it as a standard desktop then you shouldn’t have many issues aside from finding replacement applications for things you are used to using.

If you decide to start tinkering, just keep a backup of your home directory since it contains all your settings and files.

Yeah it's stable, as long as you aren't messing with the core of things you'll be good. Gaming isn't the worst on most systems but it can still be a challenge. And if you have a laptop trying to set up your GPU so it won't destroy your battery can be a challenge. Those are really your only pitfalls though. If you just want to install it browse the Internet, code, do office stuff it will work perfectly. If you start trying to do anything too fancy there is a possibility of running into unstableness from misconfiguration

trying to set up your GPU so it won’t destroy your battery can be a challenge

Avoid NVidia. Get a GPU from a company that respects the way you will use it instead of engaging in malicious compliance so it can claim it works, but it never does.

As already stated why would there be a bunch of posts of people bragging about their uptime and stability? Would be pretty boring no? Why are you wanting to make the switch and what are your needs?

Leas about needs, more about taking back control of mt personal electronics

Leas about needs, more about taking back control of mt personal electronics

That makes you a good candidate; it means you are motivated. Expect to learn new things. Expect that sometimes you are going to blame something on Linux when it's really your own ignorance. Expect that sometimes, it might be the fault of Linux, or might be the fault of the distro you chose, etc.

Some very fundamental things work differently. Go to a forum or community that is specific to the distro you choose and ask them about the proper way to install software and "package management." Understanding that one topic, and the nuance of how your chosen distro expects you to manage software, will stave off a great many of the problems you are likely to have as a noobie.

If considering this a learning experience sounds good to you, you will succeed. Don't try to "learn Linux" - try to learn what you need to in order to achieve individual tasks on your system, or solve minor annoyances. Doing that will pull in a lot of context. Linux forums are great, but forums specific to the distro you choose will almost always be superior during the learning phase.

In this very thread I see comments from folks who likely expected it to work just like Windows with different trappings. Don't expect that, because it's not what you are going to get. Consider it an adventure.

Source: Tried Linux and gave up in 1999. Tried Linux and gave up in 2004. Tried Linux and stuck with it in 2007. Have not touched Windows except when paid to do so since then, and each and every year since then has made it clearer and clearer what a good decision that was.

I support Windows for my job, and have done so for over twenty years. I find Linux easier to use in every way, and more reliable, and I don't have to force it to respect my authority as the owner of the system it runs on.

Yes you can.
I spend a lot od time fixing things that I broke because I like it and it's a hobby for me.

I installed Linux Mint Debian Edition on my SO's laptop last year (old thinkpad t470) and I haven't had to do anything about it since then. The installation process was easy, I didn't bother changing the defaults and just clicked "Next" on most of the steps.

Can you share with us the hardware you'll be using ? In most cases it'll be easy peasy, but some stuff is known to cause issues that we might be able to identify before you start your journey.

Depends on your use case. Most of the people running Linux I think are the kind that want to experiment and try different stuff, opposite to the regular user of Windows. And you know when you do changes chances are something to break much higher.

If you install some user friendly and stable distro, VSCode, browser, word editor and you never touch the terminal or do any changes it will be solid and stable.

My current issue is i see you guys constantly having issues, editing files etc.

These guy cannot self-develop

They never learn thing themselves. Never read books. Never read manual pages.

Just ignore them.

Is it not stable?

Commits to softwares around Linux (userland, system maintenance tools, etc) usually just works (even if alpha). There are few bugs.

Alpine Linux edge+testing is much stable (my only issue come from testing mesa packages, just don't upgrade this package to any version without -r0 or -r1 or like that :) )

Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?

Yes.

A system that never have to su root (except for shutdown, reboot).

I use Ubuntu for everything I do (except building and testing windows binaries) beside upgrading when it asks me to I never really have to worry about anything, everything I use just works and the ui is fine.

I'm not a big gamer and I only really use open source software so I don't know if you'll want to do things I don't but I do pretty much everything else: image editing, video editing, CAD, coding, all sorts of weird internet stuff.

What CAD software do you use?

All the professional CAD software I've used in my career is Windows only.

What's your favorite open source option?

People will say I'm crazy but I love freeCAD, the sketch and part benches are all i really need because I'm mostly using it to make project boxes and dial holders but it's nice that it can do so many other things. Not great for artistic tools I'd use blender for that but technical stuff it's great.

I have linux distros that i like and work for me, i almost never have issues. I think it depends on hardware, and i think a lot of the issues are just people trying to do things as they used to on windows and things just work a bit different

Even running Arch for the last decade or so, I largely don't have issues that wind up being any more complicated than downgrading a package every so often. Most of my config editing occur in one of three situations. First and most common, initial setup of a program to telling it where to find any files it needs and change any default settings I have a different preference on. Second, it's a program I use constantly and want to tweak it to work just so, adding to it as I discover new features that catch my interest, like tweaking my ncmpcpp and tmux setups. The last case is procrastination, where I get obsessively focused on something because, clearly, the reason I haven't written my 5 page paper due tomorrow has nothing to do with the fact I've been screwing around and not keeping up with my coursework for the last week, and can instead be squarely attributed to the fact that I have discovered some aspect of my emacs setep that needs to be refined, like realizing I dislike how biber formats my references in Auctex and needing to spend hours finetuning my reference style to m' exact preferences.

For most general use cases, like browsing the web, listening to music, watching movies and maybe firing up a word processor, this is entirely unnecessary. To give an example, I got tired of having to periodically spend a night purging my elderly mother's laptop of myriad viruses and uninstalling the dozen or so IE toolbar she kept infecting her system with. Clearly not a techy person. I put Linux mint on it, changed the desktop shortcut for Firefox to the Internet Explorer icon, ditto for Open Office's word processor with Ms Word, and she was happy as could be without really noticing a difference. I would just remote in and periodically update it. Worked fine for her until she got a new new computer, by which point she'd realized she could, in fact, live without all that malware taking up half her screen in IE.

I don't know who these people having issues are but I run Linux Mint Debian Edition and have no issues editing my stuff.

The only issue I can imagine is if they had formatted an external HDD with ext4 and and copied docs from a previous Linux install, and now when they copy it to their new install, they don't have permission to edit the doc.

For example, you try out Ubuntu for a few weeks/months. You format your ext HDD in ext4 and create docs in Ubuntu. You then copy those into the HDD. Or maybe you had another drive formatted with NTFS and copied docs from there onto the ext4 drive.

After a few weeks you erase Ubuntu from your machine and install Arch. Now when you try to edit a doc on the HDD or copy it to your machine, you find you don't have permission because those permissions were set on your previous Ubuntu install.

I've had permission issues with that hence I format my ex HDD with exFAT and it works perfectly. Also works perfectly with Windows and macOS as they can all read/write to exFAT without permission issues.

Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?

That's a tough one to answer, because Linux has one key element that is different from other OS : it isn't one single thing dumbed down to cater to everyone, instead it has multiple variations (distributions), each has their own logic and ideas, and everyone of them are highly customisable (so yeah you can spend a lot of time editing stuff if you want to). This means that it higly depends on what you chose to use, what you wanna do with it, and what are your skills.

I could say that you would get as much issues as you would with any other OS, but that would be wrong depending on the distribution you use, that would be wrong if you have a specific need that isn't easy to get on Linux or not yet troublefree to use, and that would be wrong if you have no idea what you are doing. You could even have less issues (but I wouldn't advertise that thought). This is why there are what people call "noob friendly distros", meaning as much troublefree as possible and easy to learn (doesn't mean it has all your needed features, or that it will grant you the best experience).

I have been toying with Linux since I was 15, but I only made the switch some years ago (I'm 29). Most of my issues were either that the distribution I used did'nt satsfy me, or that my needs were a bit complicated to get working, but once I found something that worked for me most of my experience has been «you configure it once and then you are good to go», I cannot say it is the same for everyone.

One important thing to note is that switching from a familiar OS to an unfamiliar one is never easy (people tend to forget how hard they had to learn using a pc), and it can get painfully hard to do if you go at it with the wrong mindset. So if you want to try it out, I'd suggest you first spend some time looking if everything you need will be available and easy to get working, then find a distribution that you think would suit you (since it's a first dive you might try something "noob friendly"). Ideally you would first look how it works before trying anything, for exemple don't be fooled thinking a distribution is only defined by how it looks, it's how it works that matters most. It's a bit like preparing yourself for a trip, never try it blindly (it's a common mistake people do when switching between OS, be it Linux or otherwise), it will require patience and an open mind because you will have to learn how thing works since it's new to you and it might feel like nothing is working the way it should, so it's better if you can still go back to an OS that is familiar to you if something goes wrong. And then you'll see for yourself if it is a troublefree experience or a masochist one :p

For a reasonably stable but updated os I would recommend FreeBSD. You only have to install X yourself, and linux guides doesn't work. But reading manual page and searching on mailing lists can solve every issue. OpenBSD is easier but it is a bit "slow" in performance, packages are not updated (you have to follow -current, the latest development branch).

Make it an alternative OS before erasing your existing OS so you can switch back and forth and use the old one to research when something unexpected happens on your new one. This way you can transition slowly. Expect there to be challenges, but also expect to learn a lot. It's a fantastic platform.

Linux has distributions. Think of it as windows preconfigured for different target groups or by different groups. They all have different goals and ideals. There are stable distributions like Debian and distros built on top of that or unstable ones like Arch and Gentoo + all the distros built on top of that.

Each have trade offs. Many stable distributions don't get all the newest software or features because in order to be stable, everything has to be tested. (No software is bug free anybody who tells you otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about). Some stable distributions do have new software and features but are very difficult to configure or set up.
There are unstable distributions that get "bleeding edge" software and features, meaning as soon as they are released they are available very quickly thereafter. Things are bound to go wrong more often here and the system can break in unexpected ways that require more knowledge to fix.

If you want a stable system, don't use an unstable distro unless you know what you're doing.

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Is it not stable?

Can you not set it up and then not have ongoing issues?

You are going to get gaslit to hell about this on lemmy. But no. It is not stable in the sense you mean.

The effort is worth it though.

I don't know that I agree with this for anything but GPUs. There are plenty of distros that are stable and don't require constant fiddling.