European car safety body is coming for touchscreens. The European New Car Assessment Programme mandates that key controls need physical buttons or switches
politico.eu
Carmakers are equipping their latest models with fancy touchscreens, but that could cause problems with Europe’s largest car safety authority.
The European New Car Assessment Programme (NCAP) is revamping its rating system starting Jan. 1, 2026 to mandate that five of a car's primary controls — its horn, windshield wipers, turn signals, hazard warning lights and SOS features — will need physical buttons or switches.
Car models will have to comply to get NCAP's coveted five-star rating. The scheme is voluntary but is heeded by most automakers because it's closely monitored by consumers.
Belgium-based NCAP says that purely digital controls are a potential safety issue.
Good, but would be great if climate control, volume/mute, and other things that need frequent adjustment while driving were also part of the mandate.
and opening the fucking doors
Is this some tesla thing or what?
Not just Tesla, bunch of manufacturers are doing this shit now.
Drive controls too, no swipe for reverse bullshit.
Yea I honestly hated when they made automatics go from a physical shifter that shifted actual gear linkage to electric selection dials. It's insanely stupid, and a fucking nightmare to repair, but now going to a touchscreen is asking to get people injured.
Tesla has mechanical door pulls on the interior but they are supposed to be for emergency use only. Otherwise there are buttons on the interior door handles.
Car seat adjustment, above seat vehicle interior lights, steering wheel adjustment, door handles, door locks, main rear view mirror, climate controls for vents and seats, car starting, and trunk and seat releases should all have controls that can be operated either directly or with physical buttons.
If there is ALSO a screen driven element, that’s fine, but this stuff needs to work without a screen.
This stuff is not being done for the sake of UX. It is for saving money at the expense of consumer safety.
This. Everyone, keep your eye on the ball.
I can see the case for some of them after you’ve been in a crash (although if the pyro fuse has blown, not much requiring switches will work anymore, regardless of the type of controls), but if you want physical controls for the rear view mirror for safety, you should probably start adjusting that before you start driving.
Same for cabin lights, whatever you’re doing that needs the lights on should probably be done stationary, if you care about safety.
People keep saying this but I don't buy it. Like, how much does some fucking buttons cost? Hell the cheap cars still have buttons and mechanical controls with cables and shit.
And at the cost of consumer dissatisfaction. I think this is just more "change for the sake of change" so that someone can justify their job at the company that we've all come to know from the tech world.
Enough. One screen may cost $5, but if it replaces 10 - 20 15¢ buttons, that's still worthwhile.
Especially since there would be labour cost savings installing buttons, and not having to spend time installing spacers replacing those buttons for different trims, when they can just do it all in one screen, and fold it into the infotainment system install cost.
No? It's not.
Hell, why not just remove the passenger seats, that would probably save a couple hundred dollars on every car!
If you are operating any of these while driving, you are doing something wrong
You shouldn't be adjusting your seats, steering wheel, and mirrors while driving. Interior lights neither, they should be off if you need them you're not looking at the road. Climate control is also non-critical all that might be annoying but you don't need to do it while driving. "car starting" isn't really a thing with many cars any more, even gasoline ones, they switch the motor off automatically when you're standing for a while and start once you select a gear, hit the throttle, whatever.
Door handles though I absolutely agree, it's a safety thing: You can make them fancy schmancy electric all you want but they also have to open the lock mechanically, e.g. by pulling the lever with some force none of that Tesla "open the maintenance hatch and find a steel cable to pull on".
Climate control actually is critical, since fogging/frosting of the windshield is a thing.
Ok most climate controls are non-critical. If you live in climates where fogging and frosting while already driving might be an issue (which are conceivable but rather extreme conditions) you should probably get into the habit of setting the controls to a sensible value as soon as you get in.
It's also a design thing, it really doesn't take much for a car to be smart enough to throw warm air at the inside of the wind shield (no AC required) if the temperature is low.
I have Tesla and their old design I could do easily while driving. They did a UI update and not everything takes several clicks. Anything that is critical to running the car should have a manual control. If touch screen isn’t available, you need to be able to operate the car, if nothing else to get to a repair center.
What controls do you need to operate the car?
I though everything the article mentions is already a physical control, like horn and windshield wipers.
It’s only temperature that is digital.
In the Tesla the wipers are on the touch screen.
I’ve heard new models also to change gears you use the touch screen. Mine has a control for that but I’ve heard in newer models they removed that.
Temperature is also touch screen.
For mine, the wipers are on the left side. You can click once to run it once and then use the roller buttons to change intensity
Do you have gear selector on yours ?
I’d actually like that setup. Mine is all touch for wipers since they are “automatic”.
My Audi has a control for it. Now I do feel the Audi has too many sticks. I have three which just seems like too many.
Gear selector? No of course not, mine doesn’t have gears (or so I’ve been told so). I was told that the idea is that the driver shouldn’t need to touch the touch screen mid drive, and honestly, imo it’s mostly like that. Having said that, I would like further improvement like temperature buttons/knobs.
Temperature is critical if your windshield fogs up. Teslas are steaming piles of garbage though, so no surprise on anything they do.
Exactly! Climate, audio, seats and mirrors controls also must be physical as they are more or less directly related to safety
Eh, I think this strikes the perfect balance where it ensures safety while not stifling innovation. Touchscreens are bad, and the consensus around that is growing. But the solution might not be a return to physical buttons, there are many possibilities and some might turn out easier and safer.
If you're implicitly suggesting voice commands or throwing "AI" into the mix, I would dare say that's worse.
No I'm just against closing doors. This is a great example of the bare minimum being regulated due to safety and it's regulated to be something tried and tested, like anything safety related should be. While letting the market, i.e. us consumers decide on the other stuff. It's not the right solution to have politicians decide how a cars auxiliary functions should be operated.
If looking at the screen to find the volume touch control causes more accidents than physical knobs, that's a safety issue.
It's clearly not the right solution to let car manufacturers decide that either, or we wouldn't be in this mess to begin with.
Touch screens are not “bad”. They’re great for things like gps. They’re just bad for driving functions.
Was still talking about the safety stuff here. Like turn signals and hazard lights and the stuff the person above wanted added in climate controls etc
Then we agree. Anything driving related shouldn’t be in the touchscreen. Both my cars have touch screens my Tesla you have to use it for almost everything.
The Audi just for non-driving functions.
The Tesla use to be better but they changed it. It’s harder to do anything on it now.
I love living in Europe.
I'm sincerely appreciative of everything they do for consumers as a whole. Not everything makes it across the pond but at the very least it sets precedent and a lot of the groundwork is done if our politicians ever decide to get their shit together and give us a ground to stand on against corporations and lobbyists.
A guy can dream.
I hope that happens too.
So say we all.
except of course for the blatant racism against non-western people, the current shift towards neofash politics (meloni etc), the militarization and the impeding economic collapse.
how do liberals manage to ignore problems so efficiently?
All of which already happen in the US, but worse.
The entire world sucks, can’t we be happy of living in a place that sucks a bit less?
i do acknowledge that that things are worse in the us, but that doesnt make the deficiencies in europe any better. one shouldnt just accept that the world sucks, but start fighting for a better one. just look at cubas success
We are fighting for a better one. All those recent EU regulations are doing exactly that.
I’d love if we could address those issues you’ve listed too, since they’re obviously more important, but it seems really hard until the european left actually wakes up and starts promoting actual candidates.
Racism? Sure there is some racism but Europe is hella diverse bro.
I live in the UK and I’m proud that Manchester is multi-cultural. Don’t listen to the headlines, most of us ain’t racist.
Where you from dude? Just wondering if you should or should not be throwing stones at glass houses.
im living in central europe but am of eastern european descent. due to looking "white" i usually get less discrimination than my turkish and arab friends, but its still way harder to get a job or higher education for non-native people, as higher pay positions are almost exclusively reserved for westerners. it is also harder to get a decent apartment with a foreign sounding name and in case of legal matters you can bet that the cops will rather believe the word of a native than yours.
As long as you're not fr*nch
Except for the blatant racism, i could do without that.
racist cowards be downvoting
Genius. About time it's banned.
My favorite is the warning to not look at the screen, which you have to acknowledge to get it to go away.
To be fair, using phones while driving was banned in most countries back when phones still had physical buttons.
And the swap from physical buttons, which you can use by feel and that never change their location, to touch controls made this less of an issue?
Nice to see EU policy finally flourishing now that they're no longer getting nerfed by the UK's membership.
This is the truth. The EU is much more efficient without the UK.
What made the UK such a hindrance for the EU?
They had a veto and they also had the Tories
Modern England is a blight apon civilization, though half joking aside. As I understand it the UKs conservative bullshit maid it so they functioned like Kentucky here in the US, basically drawing shit out till it died. Which is makes sense when you consider that England without London is about as wealthy as Mississippi.
Cgp Grey had a good video on the problems with the UK voting system.
I prefer the idea that the Anglo-Saxon brain is just naturally suited to licking boots and becomes angry when others don't
Ever since the Norman French invasion of 1066, exile was the British solution for potential trouble makers. The Anglo Saxon nobility ended up in Constantinople, but once there were colonies, exile really became Britain's version of bread and games. Troublesome people, like people with opinions or pregnant maids, could be send to the other side of the world whenever needed. Once all people with opinions on things like fairness and egality are gone, then you are left with the complacent bootlickers who are are happy to just victim blame. Until it happens to them that is, then it's unfair.
Hey lets give the Angles some credit here, the areas they settled revolted a lot historically. I think the Scots and Norse rubbed off on them. But the Saxons on the other hand I aint got a fucken clue. Like that worked out for my ancestors since they rode with William the conqueror and it made occupation of southern England easy but fuck they wanted a fight and only the North gave it to them.
People have finally noticed. The Conservative party is on track to get utterly pulverised at this years general election. And if Labour don't have serious ideas about fixing things the same will happen to them at the next one.
I don't even need to vote tactically at this election to keep the Conservatives out. But I will because I want to see them and everything they stand for wiped off the face of British politics. They need to be punished as badly as possible and made an example of for destroying everything that our forebears sacrificed to give us.
Kentucky 💪💪💪
yes I'm a Kentucky nationalist how could you tell?
Probably because they wanted to be like us in the US.
Okay. In what way?
Ineffective and authoritarian, ready to jump into any new war, a populace that votes against their own best interest because of what their leader with a bad haircut tells them, staunch opponents to anything that could be labeled progress?
I can't answer your question because I don't know. But I take it maybe you mean that as a rhetorical question?
Sounds very bad if true, which I have no doubt it is.
True that. There have been so many wins in just a few years.
Also trying to regulate encryption... but the UK tried to do that itself too.
Touch controls in a car is definitely up there among the absolute dumbest ideas of the century.
Bollocks. F*ck this shit. Make it mandatory and take those ticking time bombs of the road. They are endangering OTHER people's lives. Voluntary my ass.
This is faster than passing a law. Do this first then work on legislation in parallel.
Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
Don't let morons operate deadly machinery, FTFY.
Fucking good. Long overdue.
I love some EVs, but I drove a Polestar 2 and a Model 3 on road trips for work in California. Never again. The nighttime driving experience is miserable imo, and the issues with the lack of stalks and buttons is real.
The Polestar is the only car to ever make me so angry I had to pull over. It had some kind of sensor issue, and decided the right way to notify my at 80mph on the highway was to A) cover my gate cluster with the error notification B) disengage my cruise control suddenly, at 80mph, and C) begin beeping.
I almost drove my rental into the Pacific Ocean out of spite.
All of the functions described in the article are already on physical buttons and stalks in the Polestar 2 (I have one), so not sure how this is going to change anything? I'll agree that some of its error reporting and collision avoidance in particular are almost dangerous in their implementation, but that has no bearing on the physical buttons thing.
No buttons for climate control / fans, and Android auto on it is also kinda jank.
Zero dog in the game (I own a Mazda3) but I rented a Polestar and found it very enjoyable. Different, absolutely, but good enough that I was glad there is an alternative EV to Tesla if I wanted to get one.
I am glad there are other players in the market but the user experience was just miserable for me. Between the lack of buttons for all the climate control and the error messages, as well as subpar android auto support in favor of their own janky android OS (not great for rentals).
Maybe Polestar 3 will fix all this. Maybe.
Yes! I fucking love buttons and dials! And maybe Android Auto can just heckin' let me use my phone keyboard when I'm stopped.
Yours doesn't?
If Android Auto is active, it blocks me from opening Google Maps on my phone and I have to mess with the touchscreen interface a bunch before it offers to let me use my phone's keyboard while stopped. It would be less annoying if the voice search option and the search interface on the car's touchscreen was less bad.
Interesting. Mine USED to not allow maps to open when in auto mode, but now doing so will force open the step-by-step instructions on my phone while leaving the map on the car (this started like 4 months ago)
But the phone keyboard for maps thing has been simple for like 4 years: just tap the search bar that's up on the car screen and if I'm not moving it's just there on my phone screen sometimes it actively annoys me because I wanted to use voice as my phone slid to the floor or some shit. Not just on my phone but on everyone I know who uses AA, are you on some ancient version or something?
Mine does that sometimes, but there's plenty of times when it's just being a glitchy pile of garbage. I've got a fully updated pixel 8 pro and a 2021 Subaru Crosstrek, but sometimes they just don't like to talk to each other correctly. It'll also do this fun thing where it just fails to turn on the mic for phone calls until I reboot the phone and the car before reconnecting them.
There did used to be some glitchiness in AA for me along those lines about a year ago, but they cleared up about a month before the P8 launch. I also use a P8P, but on an older car using the wired-only AA since the cars end doesn't support Bluetooth AA sadly. Wonder if that's got something to do with it?
Funny enough the glitch that's remained no matter how many updates (and yes I've reset settings on both ends many times) is that whatever audio was left playing will Autoplay at max volume when AA initiates. Luckily I can just mute my system and then go forth, but it's annoying to have to rewind or if I forget.
What about: Headlights? Fog lights? Climate control? Etc..
Not sure about fog lights(they need to be activated only once and only during fog), but climate control absolutely needs to be on this list.
Good, there's no reason for there to be more information displayed than you can read at a glance. And you should be able to feel for the controls you need instead of having to look at the screen and flip through menus.
Can we just use the European safety regulations for American cars? I'm tired of watching them get all the safety stuff a decade ahead of us.
I expect you will. I think It will be cheaper to have a single spec globally for a given model of car.
I’m afraid they won’t. When I was a Student I had a summer job at Mercedes assembling cars. At the time cars sent to the US needed bigger airbags - you’d think it’d be less error prone at negligible extra cost to just equip all cars with the bigger airbags but they didn’t.
If they can save a couple of cents by having less buttons they’ll have less buttons.
I have no idea how airbags work, but I assume you can just slot in different sizes?
Adding buttons requires certain infrastructure to be present in the vehicle. There needs to be places to insert them, though they could have separate dashboard panels if they want to build two for each vehicle, and wires/inputs for them. They could have two versions for all this, but it does require some extra effort.
grand caravans had a screen that was not availble on all trims. if you did not have it you just had a plastic plate in its place.
Are buttons actually more expensive than a touch screen?
You’ll have a touch screen either way and it’s possible that the functions of the buttons are available on some app too.
Just as basically all cars except current Teslas do.
I think the EU would be doing Tesla a favor if they force them to add physical controls to switch between D, R, N, P.
Edit: The current Tesla Model 3 should comply with the new rule (not 100% sure about hazard lights).
Interesting. Is that because Americans have bigger heads or weigh more overall?
According to Wikipedia it’s weight:
US regulation FMVSS 208 requires that bags be engineered and calibrated to be able to "save" the life of an unbelted 50th-percentile size and weight "male" dummy.
Assuming the regulation in the EU is similar and given that US average weight/BMI is higher than European average US airbags need to be bigger.
(laughs in freedom while eating food containing chemicals banned in the EU)
banned and produced. im looking at you france.
This reminds me of the Taliban outlawing the sale of opium except to infidels.
Both my and my husband's US cars already have all of the items listed as physical buttons. I don't know that it'll really change much.
I don't see anything about gas, brake, or steering. Next generation EU market Tesla will feature drive-by-theremin.
Practically a nightmare, but as a fantasy kinda cool. Initial D but they are theremin drifting would be kinda sick lol
Maybe they'll go low-tech and introduce drive-by-terrain
Got very happy seeing the title, but we’re just talking about the bare minimum like horns and windshield wipers. A tiny step in the right direction, but not much else
It's stopping it getting worse for a start. Bloody negative Nancy.
Make the world a better place or get a vasectomy.
Don't forget to tip your landlord today!
Wtf is a lime horn? Driving in Europe must be wild
Tbh I much prefer traditional lemon horns, but very hard to get them in new cars
EU being based as always. I have to admit it's pretty damn rare they let me down.
This is just the Euro NCAP guidelines, not actual EU regulation, but still a positive development.
And I agree that the EU have been on an amazing streak lately, they seem to be the only governing body actually fighting for consumer rights.
Add it to the list of "shit nobody wants but car manufacturers keep fucking doing", along with gloss black trim and capacitive buttons.
Capacitive buttons are the fucking worst. Even when the manufacturers try to incorporate haptic feedback, it's never enough when you're in a moving vehicle with bumps in the road..
Feel/touch and press/activate shouldn't be the same action
It's going to be funny when there's an entire decade of vehicles no one wants to buy on the used market. I'm looking forward to it. These touchscreens are terrible.
It would be excellent if Europe forces manufacturers to replace old touchscreens at their own expense.
Some new tesla you change drive controls by swiping on a tablet. That seemed bit too much.
There's also buttons (I believe capacitive, but not 100% sure), but they aren't as convenient to use.
It's not only touch screen though.
Would love to see cruise control added to that list.
Man, I haven’t got to the sci-fi cars yet. I’m still driving older tech (2003).
I can’t even glance at my phone to change a song on Spotify. I know I won’t do well with a screen. It’s too dangerous for me.
Didn't even occur to me that it was missing - I can find the cruise control buttons to turn it on/off, and set or change speed, with my eyes closed. Which is the whole idea. Eyes nowhere near the buttons, muscle memory takes over.
And what about handbrake and shifters?
weirdly Tesla Cruise control is a physical stick. just about everything else is touch screen, but indicators, gears, and cruise. (i think the new models it's actully all screen though)
Touchscreens in cars are stupid. Add miniature track pads to that too.
I'd be ok with a haptic track ball or pad. If it gave you a noticable "click" it would be miles above the current screens.
Or simply install a physical button.
I am specifically talking about the micro pads they put on the Mercedes Benz steering wheels. Everything is still done at the touchscreen, but now you have a track pad to navigate it with. It is faster and safer to reach over and touch the screen. Less time with your eyes off the road when you are driving a big ass van.
The capacitive Mercedes wheel is the worst… not to mention they still don’t have a dedicated track forward button. It’s baffling and insane.
That's pretty cool. I like that idea.
My A4 has it. I love it. When searching for something in the car, I don't need to pull my phone out. I can just write the letters on the console.
You need to fuckin write while driving? That's nuts...
they should just link the display to the steering wheel
to go left and right you steer accordingly
to go up and down you accelerate or break
aside from a rear view camera, theres no reason to have a screen in a car
Well, I like it for showing me what song is playing and to have my navigation up - but other than that - I don't want to be touching or interacting with it at all.
edit: grammar
well you could design it so, that vehicle just has a hud [heads-up display], or maybe a second passenger screen too, that way engaging with them could be more safety oriented and more aesthetic.
I for one don't want to be looking through something like a HUD when I'm driving. I also don't want a touch screen. A screen that shows me what's on the radio, my nav, and backup is fine, and it needs to have easy to identify and press physical buttons.
industry is shifting towards tesla's interior design because it's much more cheaper. advantage is that they can change it's ui with an update in future. you're probably gonna be okay with 2010's cars tho
What about the wind screen?
Listen here you little-
Hard disagree. Modern dash displays give tons of useful information that would be very hard to display legibly with dials. The flexibility they offer is good too, often having more than one dash layout. Nav screens are also extremely useful. Going anywhere and never getting lost? Get outta here.
And rear camera? Don't get me started on how a little dirt destroys your rear view until you pull over to clean it or how they represent a more difficult scenario for your eyes, increasing the amount of time you don't have your eyes on the road every time you check it. Unless you mean a back up camera and not a replacement for a rear view mirror, in which case yes those are super awesome.
I have a rear camera instead of my mirror for a few years now. I don't know what you are talking about. Never had the issues you talk about. The only time it gets dirty, is when it sits for a while out in the open. You check it the exact same as you do a rearview mirror. The only issue with them is when it's raining, but then you can turn the screen off and just use them as a regular rearview mirror anyway.
With a mirror, you do not have to refocus your eyes to a close distance and then refocus back to a farther one. The time it takes to do this is palpable and adds to the time you're not as aware of your surroundings as you could be. At 70mph, it's a lot of distance you're flying blind.
My rear-view camera only works while being shifted into reverse. Didn't even know there are manufacturers that scrapped the mirror... why would they do that?
It's not scrapped, it is mounted in it. Especially useful on transport trucks where you don't get a rear mirror anyway.
Having upcoming signs / crossing and speed limits displayed on a small screen between the gauges is something I found quite handy.
The big display in the centre console is something that's only really usefull for maps / Spotify tho, not the rest of the car controls.
Especially because I've seen cars where they die due to temperature changes.
Navigation system? Music controls? I think what the NCAP is doing here is a good thing, but this is a bit too far to the other extreme.
Phone does navigation better
I use my phone but it is connected to the car so it displays on the bigger screen. Much easier than a little phone screen in a cradle.
I think they need to be super explicit to stop the likes of Tesla weaseling out or doing the bare minimum:
And button / dial etc here means an actual push up/down button not some haptic / touch sensitive shit.
Because at the moment Tesla are basically cheaping out of providing physical controls to save money. It doesn't matter if someone crashes their car fiddling to set the wiper speed because Tesla saved $20 on a stalk and that's all that matters.
And, for the love of dog, please require that the volume knob not rely on software! I hate trying to turn down/off the radio and then wait while the car decides whether I'm serious.
When I first start my car, the screen has to go through the boot up sequence and safety warning before the volume knob starts responding. The music starts playing right away, though, at whatever volume the previous driver deemed appropriate.
Bit pedantic but a stalk + assembly could cost closer to $200, I'm not sure about design and manufacturing though
On a 30k+ car. Fuck your 200.
Chill tf out no one said I agree with it
That may be the price if you buy a spare part. OEM for manufscturing it'll be much lower.
I recently had to buy a hose for my car. At the dealer it was 170€. At an online diwcout parts store it was 14€. Name brand, Gates.
Eh. I don't think you need to specify "stalk". I would be fine with physical buttons anywhere within easy reach. If they want to make a racing wheel that has 30 switches on it, I think I'm fine with that.
I appreciate that SOME things don't have buttons now: getting into a BMW with that has the same number of buttons and switches as the cockpit of an airliner is ridiculous.
Good, now North America needs to do the same. Sick of touchscreens. Also make it so it's harder to steal my car too thanks.
Fucking good, everything being touchscreen is completely insane.
europe is my hero.
the bar was so low
oh yeah. around these parts the bar is so low im continually amazed at how fast the can dig to keep lowering it.
I say "EU, I belive in you!", now you can say it too.
So when are they gonna wake up and finally do something about these automatic dimming headlights? They blind me regularly.
On a curvy street its impossible to not get blinded, no matter if the car is following me, or driving opposite way.
Who allowed that shit while clearly not testing it.
I feel like when I tell people in my life this, they act like I'm crazy. The only person who truly believes me is my partner, who has been graciously enduring every time I point out that someone has their brights/fog lights on. It is a constant in my life, getting blinded by assholes.
i dont even think they do it intentionally, its just how new cars "work".
I've droven cars that have that feature and you see alot more and it doesnt feel like you're blinding the other person.
But in reality you do, especially if you have a lower car and not a huge suv
I think it is a healthy combination of how cars work and inattentive drivers.
I don't understand the touch screens in cars, I would expect them to be more expensive than physical buttons. Are there that many people who think it's fancy that it's a selling feature?
Think of it this way. Cars already need an LCD panel for infotainment these days. New cars that lack them get passed over. At the very least, people want CarPlay and Android Auto for maps and music.
Secondly, physical switches and gauges haven’t been dumb analog or electric circuits for years. They all communicate with the car’s onboard computers.
So, if the car already needs a touch screen, and all the garages and switches are digital behind the front end anyway, it’s going to be cheaper to make the gauges out of software than plastic.
And with display panels getting cheaper and cheaper, you can slap a bigger panel in the car, and still save money on manufacturing.
I'm happy with a Bluetooth connection to the stereo. I have maps on my phone.
Fuck carplay/android auto in the ear.
I hate getting a rental car and I just want my music, but it tries to hijack and download my whole phone.
I want to get in, connect my phone and go. Not 20 minutes wrestling it for control.
Digital displays are fine. It's just a display. But controls should be manual (buttons, dials, etc) that can be operated with eyes on road.
Download your phone?
You wouldn't download a phone
Not the whole phone obviously. But syncing all my contacts, recent calls etc.
I don’t know what cars you’ve driven, but I’ve never driven anything with CarPlay or AA that stored contacts or calls on my head unit. Moreover I’ve never had to wrestle with the head unit for 20 min. It usually initializes in a few seconds.
Were you using an old Android phone that had to download AA?
The car was the slow part, I have an S23+.
The wrestling was figuring out getting BT audio ONLY.
And until I reset the head unit to factory previous users, contacts, radio stations and destinations were all stored there.
Not great on a rental car.
When you try to connect a CarPlay or Android auto device there is usually a permissions dialog that appears. It asks you if you want use the projection software, or use the vanilla usb or Bluetooth connectivity. Perhaps you accidentally confirmed the Android auto connection, then couldn’t find how to revoke the permissions.
Buttons and dials aren't cheap. Even in economy cars it probably costs the manufacturer a few bucks for each one, accounting for the switch itself and all the trim that goes with it.
It only takes a handful to outweigh the cost of the typical LCDs used in car systems.
Don't speculate about what you don't know about - the world is full enough with BS.
My understanding was the screen itself is the expensive part. In the US, it’s required for a backup cam. At that point it’s cheaper and easier to assemble, just having everything on the network and doing software. Physical controls take more build time
Side note: touch screen are a gimmick not a new technology. the scale you have at the mall has a touch screen and has had one since the 90's. These touch screens are used in specific locations and settings to manage complex ui, with a lower maintenance cost and the chance to keep a device running for longer with a simple os update. Most touchscreen are, believe it or not, still resistive, as they have a strong feedback and they work across most temperature ranges. Most touchscreens are added to static tools like lab tools or workstations like lifts, scales, and so on. At no point they added resistive touchscreen in cars when the tech was new. Wanna know why? Touchscreens suck. Than the Iphone came and brought us here. Now we think that touchscreens are futuristic and fancy. Not, they aren't. Star wars and even Star trek had all physical control with full sets of buttons for the management of the ship. If a starship that you always liked had physical buttons why shouldn't your car have that design?
Not in my experience. Touchscreens arrived in the late 90s, yes, but only really with transport ticket machines, and then only if complex interaction was needed, e.g. selecting destination station or something.
To this day scales in supermarkets are either a) completely passive, that is, only display stuff, because the actual weighing is done at the till or b) have a keypad you punch a number into, generally foil. Works well enough. ATMs aren't touchscreen either they have a screen with what eight or ten buttons total to the left and right to select options. There's Braille on them I bet it's also an accessibility thing.
Getting away from screens, capacitive buttons have their place and I definitely rather have slightly funky capacitive buttons on e.g. a scale than physical ones which get dirt into them, foil ones which are I guess fine but still somehow revolting, or worst of all the scale using its weighing feet to figure out whether you pressed the left or right button. But generally speaking capacitive buttons have one simple advantage for manufacturers: They're by far the cheapest option.
This probably depends on where you live.
Every super market that I go to, where I am expected to weigh vegetables and fruits myself, has touchscreens for the scales. This has been the case for many years now, I can't recall when they changed from buttons to touchscreens, so probably 15+ years.
The bank ATM where I withdraw money has a touchscreen in addition to the old buttons and keypad. Both work, but the touchscreen has more options.
Wow, have any car manufacturers actually tried changing these functions to touch buttons? I know Tesla got rid of the stalks, but my understanding was they still had physical buttons on the wheel to replace them.
My father has a relatively late model Toyota Avalon. It has a touch screen infotainment system; there are physical buttons on the steering wheel for most functions and a physical volume knob on the dashboard.
The HVAC controls have their own panel, but they're touch sensitive. So you can't feel for the knob or button you want and then interact with it. That shouldn't be legal.
Yeah I've seen plenty of HVAC and other auxiliary functions like radio moved to touch (and absolutely agree it shouldn't be legal), but never the five they're legislating in the article (horn, indicators, wipers, hazard, SOS). Imagine touchscreen indicator buttons! The market would rip them apart.
I thought Tesla put handbrakes on the touchscreen as well, which seems all sorts of crazy to me.. Might as well make a list of stuff we really dont want on there now I guess.
Can't wait to get enough money to buy a car before 2005
Why 2005?
Probably the get last time touchscreens weren't in cars
I'm not arguing with you, just wanted to add my own little info in the most applicable place (and to complain about touch screens :)
My 2017 Honda Civic doesn't have a touch screen but I did specifically have to get the "lower end" LX model. All the EX models I looked at were touch control.
Paying less money to ensure I don't get garbage I hate? Don't threaten me with a good time.
EDIT: I enjoy how I managed to accidentally format the "not arguing" bit in huge font so I'm screaming at you for some reason... Sorry
I have a 2014 Nissan Sentra (base model), and it doesn’t really have any tech. No touchscreen, no wireless (it doesn’t even have USB audio, only 2.5 mm), and not even cruise control. So 2005 is a lot older than touchscreen dominance.
Ok then. My 2012 Prius had a touchscreen and everything else you mentioned. Op may have just been exaggerating though
Yeah it depends on what you get but there are definitely options in the last 10 years if you dislike touchscreens (I do, I wish there were more newer cars that don’t slurp up data to sell).
I only have a touch screen for entertainment and configuration and still notice how distracted I get when I have to use it. No haptic feedback and multilayered menus are just a bad idea while driving.
Cherry in top is driving at night with astigmatism when theres's a whole illuminated panel in your face.
That's actually a good idea, because when your finger is wet the touchscreen doesn't work and on touchscreen is more difficult to develop muscle memory, so you spend more time distracted trying to find the spot on screen to touch
They forgot add acceleration, breaks and clutch to this list.
But as ussual: EU, I belive in you!
Do any cars actually put those 5 listed controls in their screen though? I think even teslas have buttons for all of those.
Newer Teslas don't have a turn signal stalk. They've put the turn signals on capacitive touch elements on the steering wheel because of course they have.
Thank god mine still came with a turn signal stalk. I've sort of come to terms with most of Tesla's touchscreen-only shenanigans but adjusting the AC or just changing the station still seems like an unnecessarily complicated chore. Worst is windshield wipers though, I don't want to tap through three menus or even talk to my car to just turn the damn things on because the rain sensor doesn't seem to do jack shit in a Tesla, yet here I am.
That's because they saved 70 cents and don't have rain sensors, they use "AI" image recognition to detect rain and snow.
It works as well as it sounds.
Even though it’s capacitive I would call that a physical button in this context
Unless you can tell the turn signal has been activated without looking and can hear it function, (and if you turn off your radio, you can actually hear the flasher unit work also), I would argue a capacitive switch provides little to no touch or sound feed back just like the touch screen on your phone. And needing to look else where to visually verify, then you have taken your eyes off the road and potentially can find yourself injured or dead in an accident.
Good points. I don’t (and never will) have a Tesla so not sure what the feedback mechanism is. But I think the idea of this law is to keep those controls out of touchscreens and easily accessible which the capacitive buttons do (even if they’re not the best). If teslas have buttons with their extremely minimal interior then I would assume all other cars do too. Maybe this law is to just preempt any future cars from not including them.
You and me both on the Telsa. I ain't spending that kind of money to think I'm cool. At half the cost, I'm in. Until then nope.
You maybe correct about the aim of the law. But I'm leaning more towards a not very well written regulation created by people who pay someone else to do the driving for them.
"capacitive touch element". Wow you tried really hard to not call it a button.
It's still a dedicated space which isn't behind a screen or more importantly a menu. it's a button
But it arguably lacks the physical response of a button. When in doubt you still have to look at the screen. If it has some kind of haptic feedback it might be the same.
Capacitive touch also can be activated by accident by simply grazing the control while push buttons require force to actuate, making them much less likely to be activated accidentally.
It has a physical response. Haptic feedback, audible and visual response.
Putting it on the wheel purely to be different is a bad design no matter what you call it. You've turned a critical control into a tiny moving target. People having trouble locating them and have to take their eyes off the road is a common complaint about these things.
And, FWIW, I absolutely consider a capacitive sensor distinct from a physical button. An arbitrary flat spot on the steering wheel is substantially more difficult to locate and identify by feel. Especially when your hands are moving around the wheel while doing highly uncommon things like, I don't know, steering.
I'm not arguing that it's good or bad, that's not part of my point at all. My argument is under these proposed rules it'll be considered a button in a court
From the article:
Call them whatever you want, they're literally one of the things NCAP is identifying as a problem and considering in their safety ratings.
can we please throw in banning blue LED headlamps too?
Also can you please ban piano black from interior?
If they were truly focused on safety, they would have all commonly adjusted features able to be adjusted without having to take your eyes off the road. I have a 2020 Nissan versa and the only time I look at the screen is to press pause/play and to check who's calling. Everything else I can do by feel.
This is the perfect example of, just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Physical buttons are always more reliable without having to take your eyes off the road.
This requirements should apply too AT THE VERY LEAST to air conditioning. I hate new models that require you to interact with a screen to turn it on, or to operate the infotainment volume.
i haven’t driven in a while but i can’t remember really needing to control my keys that much. usually they stay put pretty well once they’re in the ignition