"The American experiment endures," Biden said. "We're going to be OK."
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You're old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker -- YOU'RE going to be "ok." Everyone else is fucked.
You're old, straight, white and rich, motherfucker -- YOU'RE going to be "ok." Everyone else is fucked.
Mildly? I'm radicalized as fuck. This is the most infuriating shit. Fucken useless ass democrats are only good at constructing elaborate and expensive footguns. They couldn't read the fucken room and hear people screaming for any change at all.
I've changed man, since then. I don't know how I feel about the Democrats, but I'm devastated over who voted Republican. So many people in this country voted for him. It wasn't just we had low turnout, but also just that he had so much. That's the disheartening thing for me, that still, with everything we know, he still carries 50% of this country easily. So yeah, we had too few, but worse, he has too many.
Right? I found pre-election solace in knowing that even though his cult will never turn on him, he couldn't have possibly gotten MORE supporters in the past 4 years.
Turns out they LOVE the hate and they want more of it.
Sorry, Mindless Americans, it's not Trump's fault anymore, it's YOURS.
That's what I've come around to. It's not him. He's a figurehead that we apply blame but it's not. It's the people - the public. They want this. They have the fear and the hate, they actively want it. If America didn't want him, they wouldn't have voted him in. Even with tampering/whatever, if America didn't, he wouldn't be there. But America does want him, and that's a very sobering and sad thought to me. I try to live with a simple code - do what you want, as long as it doesn't hurt others. I learned yesterday that most American's don't have similar values.
IMO that's way off base. People want change. They know they're getting screwed, and the grifter is promising change. He's lying and I think most people know that, but the fact that they'd take a convicted felon over what the DNC offered up is a crushing repudiation.
Bernie would've mopped the floor with Trump, because he also offers change. Someone like Obama would've too, even though there was a paucity of actual change during his terms.
We need to drag the DNC kicking and screaming off of the corporate dick it's sucking, and get it left enough to offer real change, and people will vote for it in droves.
Part of me blames the collective memory loss of the COVID years and a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect.
It's like everyone forgot there was this massive global pandemic which absolutely killed entire industries. And even though the important parts were propped up during the lean times by government support, that support ended eventually, with the economy still a mess that couldn't just be put back together like nothing happened.
I mean, people at that time didn't even have a concept of what was going on. They have no idea how much money was spent keeping the lights on. People lost their shit over the billions it would cost to forgive student loans, but had no idea how many more billions were already spent on—and abused by—businesses whose pandemic loans were forgiven by the government.
Everyone forgot the pandemic was only as bad as it was in the US because it was so completely mishandled by the Trump administration. We could have had everything back to normal a lot sooner if there was even a little bit of national preparedness, not to mention if we didn't have all the misinformation spread by his own administration.
So when the economy went to shit in 2021-2022 during the Biden administration, people shrugged their shoulders and put the blame on the old man in the white house, despite the fact that it's been on a recovery trend during this last year. And so Trump's first year is going to start with stronger markets, he'll get the credit, and then things will get worse just in time for someone else to take the blame for it.
It doesn't matter how well "the economy" recovered from Covid, when you see stuff like this:
https://inequality.org/facts/income-inequality/
Trump isn't going to fix that, but Biden already didn't, and FPTP means you get your pick of those two options.
Do you have figures that include 2024? That data seems to stop at 2021. Not saying you're wrong but the picture being painted is just Biden's first year as president during the height of the pandemic.
Comparing things like rates of inflation and the consumer price index, we see the numbers drop dramatically within the past two years, which seems to have been improving cost of living somewhat (or, ruining less quickly, at least) for the average American, though there is still a lot more to be done.
It's not really about that short of a timeframe. Here's another example:
https://apps.urban.org/features/wealth-inequality-charts/
Compare 1963 to 2022:
We're living in a new Gilded Age, people know they're getting fucked, and saying "Oh, but look at this number going up" doesn't work anymore.
I think there are two separate but related metrics at play here. Addressing income inequality would certainly go a long way towards improving quality of life for the working class, but Americans don't care about someone having too much money as much as they care about having too little themselves.
Despite large movements like Occupy Wall Street bringing the topic of income inequality to the forefront of news for a while, the fact that it petered out and has ceased to be an issue means that enough members of the working class were still contented enough by their bread and circuses, so nothing came of it.
These voters don't care if their CEO gets a $10 million bonus at the end of the year as long as they can still afford groceries and housing, but they do start to care a lot when they don't. Only, blame is being directed at the government (inflated cost of living) rather than their rich bosses (wage stagnation).
It didn't peter out, it got co-opted and suppressed until Trump capitalized on it. This is that exact same sentiment. People can't afford groceries and housing, that was a huge issue during the election, so yeah we've finally reached a breaking point where people are pissed off about inequality and showed it. Anybody still pushing neolib shit is either braindead or benefits from neofeudalism.
If people were pissed about income inequality, they'd vote for the "tax the rich" candidates. Donald Trump's agenda is the exact opposite about that.
How is voting for a literal past president any kind of change? America chose hate and blame this week.
He will bring lots of change. None of it good, but the DNC should view that as a crushing repudiation of their approach. They can't even blame the Electoral College, they fucked up that badly. Hopefully they'll learn a goddamn thing or two and run someone offering positive change.
It was incredibly hard to fight the constant youtube and tiktok right-wing extremism that they've been fed. They've been taught to hate women and minorities so much that they vote for literal Hitler.
If you're just some dude, and you've got youtubers saying "you matter and you're cool" on the one hand, and "cis white men suck #KillAllMen", what do you think you'd be attracted to? That's a generalization of course, but identity politics has got to go. We need more of this aesthetic on the left:
Not that exact poster obviously, but we need something that gives people a vision of the future and makes it cool. Until that happens, get ready for more Trump and his ilk.
Or, so,ething needs to be done about the massive fucking foreign influence from hostile foreign countries. Of course, it allowed the coming fzctionmto sieve power, so it will just get worse.
If things didn't suck for so many people, they would've been casting seeds onto stone. It's much, much harder to radicalize someone that's content. Instead, the messages found fertile ground. The solution isn't to just ignore the issue and say "actually everything's fine, look at numbers go up!". It's to give people hope that you're actually fixing the issue.
The entire world experienced massive inflation. Biden's policies brought us out of it better than most 1st world nations. People seem to think trump will bring prices back down. They apparently don't know that deflation is even worse than inflation.
Apparently people see him as the strongman lesser evil who’s gonna bring back economy, "fix" illegal immigration (both of which the current administration has done), and keep status quo on energy and abortion. I blame the Democrats for not campaigning on their successes.
They DID campaign on their successes, but nobody believed that anything had gotten better because they still couldn't afford groceries.
The food scarcity percentage (sometimes or often not being able to afford groceries) is down 1%, but yeah it might not be noticeable. I don't think Harris's campaign did anything substantial on the other economic stuff, though. In trying to campaign a message of change, it seems like they neglected their incumbent successes and failed at both.
I’ve tried talking to trumpers to point out the double standards, contradictions, and outright lies. They don’t listen, just ad hominem or whatabout out of it.
So much whatabout. Are they actually convincing themselves this way, or do they realize it's stupid but just don't have anything else to say?
Trump sexually assaulted people and was convicted of fraud.
Whatabout Hillary's emails and Hunters laptop?
First off, those people aren't running for president AND it's not fucking RAPE AND FRAUD!!!
Republicans actively work for an uneducated population they can rule. That's the root of this problem.
The research is out, more educated people are more likely to vote Democrat, but if you ever point that out, all you get back is "I know YOU are, but what am I?"
I've tried talking and that doesn't work, I've also tried being kind and all that shit no dice. But everyone gets upset when I say let's shoot them, so please tell me more about how it's my fault.
I'll say it for you. Thomas Crooks was THIS close to being an American hero.
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Nobody seemed to mind when Hans Gruber fell from Nakatomi Plaza.
Or when the Wicked witch of the West got splashed with water.
Or when The Death Star exploded.
And I don't give a fuck how rapists and felons, and the people that defend them, feel about what I say.
You forgot all the failed Hitler assassinations, nobody cried over those either
Yeah, I was trying to avoid THAT example because it's become too cliche at this point.
At least 1930s Germans could say their cizenry didn't vote for Hitler. We Americans can't say the same. I'm so ashamed of snd angry at my fellow Americans.
Did we have low turnout?
Last numbers I saw is that Trump more or less got the same amount of votes as 2020 while Harris got 15 million less votes than Biden.
Don’t forget we only have about 87% reporting right now. So far turnout seems on track to be about the same as 2020.
I'm radicalized too. Wanna start a club? We could be the happy fun clan against fascism. Need a shorter name though
No, I want to join an existing massive one and change it at its very core to be something radical that we can wield. Wait a minute....
lets call it the antifascism club. antifa for short.
How about the Kool Kids Klan?
Nah. Gotta shorten it. Just abbriviate it, and help me with these white sheets. We need to maks ghost costumes.
The media completely failed at their job of informing the public.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/nov/07/us-progressive-election-trump-maga
Or maybe what media thinks their job is isn't what you think it should be. Maybe the media is deliberately promoting fascism for profit, has become our enemy, and needs to be destroyed.
I can't really blame the Democrats. The public is who failed. The Democrats ran a sane adult. That alone should have been enough to beat Trump.
No its not when people are in agony. To them, this is their torch. This is how fascism rises.
We made it through the Recession and COVID-19, but now people are in agony? No fucking way. They chose fascism because they are awful.
Yeah. Fascism rises further because Americans voted for it, not because of the candidate.
More important to have a Chad than anything.
Some extracts from a great comment from another user on lemmy (readfanon). I'll paste this here since some people seem to think that the Democrats did nothing wrong and it is the "left" voters who failed them :
1-You are chasing the DNC to the right and one day you will wake up and wonder to yourself "How did I end up all the way over here?" I'm not following you into that marsh but you're welcome to go into it yourself, just don't get upset at me when I point out what you're heading into and don't get angry when I refuse to blindly follow you.
2-Historically, fascism has never been stopped at the ballot box. You being convinced that this is possible does not sway my opinion on any matter aside from my estimation of your political awareness and your ability to achieve change.
3-You had four years (eight+ if you count Trump's regime and the lead-up to it in this calculation) to "stop fascism". What did you do in this period of time? Did you push Biden and Kamala to adopt policies which have mass support? Did you do anything except go to back to brunch?
4-You aren't entitled to others' votes. Stop pretending that you are.
5-We aren't splitting the so-called left, Kamala Harris did that all by herself.
6-You have no red lines. There is nothing that could make you not support Kamala Harris and we know it. Telling people to drop their standards and ignore their conscience to vote for Kamala is a fatal strategy and you killed her campaign by deploying it.
7-Almost all of your arguments for voting for Kamala Harris (aside from the "it will stop Trump" argument which, in retrospect, appears to be a dismal failure) also apply to reasons for voting for Trump. "You can push them left", "By voting we will get a seat at the table", "Voting third party or not voting at all is a wasted vote", "We have to vote this way to protect the country", "Politics is about comprise - you cannot expect them to be your perfect political candidate", and whatever hold-your-nose-and-vote arguments you trot out. Did you ever stop to ask yourself why it is that you do not find these arguments for voting Trump to be convincing?
8-Last time Trump got elected you were brutally vindictive. You took glee in the thought of people in red states and marginalised groups suffering due to policy and things like natural disasters, regardless of their politics or how they chose to vote. You were excited to tell these people that they were going to get deported and put into concentration camps. You will do it again this time too because you have learned nothing. November came and these people you targeted with your vicious schadenfreude remembered. They aren't going to forget how effortlessly you abandoned them and how you wished the worst suffering and ill-fate upon them.
None of those excuses justifies voting for a clearly insane man. You don't look at a normal person and a guy screaming about eating cats and say "that cat eating guy is the one out of the two who should have the nuclear codes". It's fucking moronic.
And half of it is either not true for me personally, based on some hefty assumptions even if applied generally, etc....
Which of the points do you feel are not correct ?
Could you elaborate on it ? Otherwise I can't really motivate and explain them.
It's OK, your explanation is not required.
I mean, you joined in on people having a discussion/debate on why Kamala lost, said some of the points are not valid and then refused to explain which point or why.
I guess you do you but we are still left wondering what could possibly be wrong about the original message for you.
Hey you got what you wanted, and you got to post a lengthy manifesto about it. I don't feel obligated to give you more of my time than I already have.
Neither Kamala Harris nor Trump should ever have access to nuclear codes !
Let's remember K.H. literally said she wanted to start a new war with Iran and that she wanted the "most lethal army in the world".
You fell for the Dems propaganda so hard you literally can't see how both of the main runners for the elections were crazy far right candidates. There is no substantial distinction in foreign policy between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump so neither of them should have access to nukes, not voting for any of the two parties is the only logical conclusion.
The only reason why the good 3rd party candidates are not electable is because of people like you that will blindly follow the Dems on their descent into fascism. The US does not need two Republican Parties, so stop supporting and justifying the second one. Go out and start building support for an actually good party, that's the only way to save the country from fascism. Not voting for the Democrats.
Citation fucking needed.
That has been the explicit US policy of the US regardless of leadership for 80 years.
If you think Harris and Trump are equally crazy, YOU are the one who needs psychological treatment. Trump literally wanted to nuke a hurricane, pulled us out of our nuclear deal with Iran, encouraged the US to develop and test "low yield" nuclear arms, and encouraged South Korea to build their own nukes. Harris along with Biden has simply continued the standard nuclear deterrent policy the US has followed for decades in spite of the first direct nuclear threat by another country since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
About the first one, I guess it was actually Tim Walz that, when asked if he supported a preemptive strike on Iran, replied that Israel has a right to expand itself and that he would back Israel since it is a US ally unlike what he thinks Trump would do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMIEaiS88pI
And Tim Walz is who Kamala Harris chose as VP, so let's not joke around and pretend Harris would have disagreed with any of this. The Democratic party was always the fascist party but with "the mask on" as opposed to the Republican Party which is "mask off"
But also, while less literally, Harris did say that (and I'm quoting an article linked below):
https://www.algemeiner.com/2024/10/11/kamala-harris-vows-do-whatever-necessary-prevent-iran-acquiring-nuclear-weapons/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/harris-to-jewish-voters-all-options-on-the-table-to-stop-iran-from-going-nuclear/
At the end of the part I quoted from the article she is literally celebrating about having strikes Iranian proxies already. Let's remember that Israel striked an Iranian embassy, which is considered an act of war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_airstrike_on_the_Iranian_consulate_in_Damascus
But kamala Harris has supported, is supporting and would have supported all of this, because she sees Israel as an important proxy of the US in the middle east. And the white house uses Israel to project it's power against the Arabs countries and destabilize them. This is why she was never going to end the Genocide in Palestine.
Also, your only excuse for the fact that she wanted the "most lethal army in the world", is that the previous Dems also wanted this ( like obviously, she is from the same party as them, what I'm saying is that that is actively bad and should be a red line, an army should only be defensive, this is not what she was implying if you go back and listen to the DNC speech) and Republicans as well. Again, supporting 100% Hitler because another candidate is 101% Hitler is not that great of a talking point like you think it is. Actually on this particular issue both candidates are the same level of "Hitlerite". That's the party you support, and because you support it, you completely oppose the development of any 3rd party that would not have this crazy warmongering policy.
To end for now my reply, a candidate that supports the foreign nuclear weapons policy the US followed in the past decades is actually a huge negative because the world has never been more tense (as you seem to notice as well in your comment). That policy is getting us closer to nuclear war and you think it's good that Kamala Harris wanted to follow it !? Again, she is just being the fascist with the mask on, instead of being mask off like Trump.
And just to remember you, I do not support Donald Trump, I never did and never will.
Walz supports Israel making a preemptive strike on Iran, not the US. At no point did he or Harris say they would use US troops in an offense against Iran.
Not anywhere close to reality. The democratic party in no way meets the definition of fascism.
So the same as literally every president ever.
He cozies up to all the dictators because he wants to be one, so yeah he wasn't tough enough. He let them out of their treaty which was preventing their atomic weapons research. Keeping nukes out of the hands of an authoritarian theocracy is a good thing.
Except she and Biden have been pushing for peace nonstop.
Meanwhile Trump said he would encourage Israel to "finish the job" which means kill them all.
The best defense is to be the most lethal army so nobody wants to fight you. That has been US policy for BOTH parties since WW2. It's a good policy because it keeps us out of wars.
The policy for Democrats in past decades has been mutual disarmament of nukes. Trump wants us building more.
Again, you need to look up the definition of fascism because Harris in no way meets it.
If you didn't vote for Harris, you did support Trump.
I took a few days to reply because honestly it is exhausting.
You know, when some people online call you Russian Bot, it does make you wonder if any of you will ever see through the Dems propaganda. But there is also the possibility that I am the one talking to bots.
I do believe that, at the end, time will prove me right. After all they do say that "A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war" .
That said, I'm probably going to respond a little to this one because it is honestly the most brain-worms comment I might have ever read.
There is no material difference between Israel striking Iran with the backing of the US and the US doing it directly. Israel fights with US-made weapons and with full US approval.
And by the way, the current government is actually sending troops to Israel to operate defensive weapons, this lets Israel focus on attacking border countries and commit Genocide. The majority of Americans oppose this btw, so obviously a few day before the vote, the Dems decided to increase how many soldiers are deployed there.
Also it does not matter that there are no US troops in the contested territory, the Israeli army acts as part of the US army.
All of this is already happening under the supervision and approval of Kamala Harris.
It really makes you wonder if the Democratic Party even wants to win.
Don't make me laugh.
In this article there are also a lot more parts that i could quote and would make it clear that K.Harris does not care about peace in the Middle East. After all, that's why this happened.
And I also don't agree with your point about having the most lethal army.
After all, the US is the only country to ever launch a nuclear bomb at another country. And they had plans to throw one at Vietnam, Korea and China as well.
I don't think that the US should be allowed to hold any more nuclear weapons, the US government is the crazy, out-of-control political power that should not have nukes.
The idea that supporting and helping Genocide does not count as fascist is also baffling to me. A lot of people seem to wonder what they would have done if they were a German in Nazi Germany. I think this makes it very clear what you position would have been, you would not have cared, not even a little bit.
All your other points were already answered enough in the previous comment, so i won't waste time. You are pretending not to understand, and that's fine. Especially because a see a clear difference in effort between us, I have to provide sources for everything, you can just make up stuff on the spot, no citations, no quotes, no nothing. And I can see that your understanding of geopolitics is entirely vibe-based and your understanding of how the world works is elementary at best.
I would not be surprised to find out that you are one of the people that only reads the headlines of articles and believes in the "Horseshoe theory". But I guess that's very common for blue MAGAs.
Honestly you are deeply unserious.
It is a huge material difference to the American soldiers who would be sent to fight and their families.
Perhaps you need to examine yourself for weaknesses to propaganda, because it is 100% true Harris wants peace between Palestine and Israel.
Harris says she won't give up pushing for end to Israel-Gaza war
Harris says two-state solution, end of Israel-Hamas war is crucial
Kamala Harris vows to end war in Gaza during final Michigan rally
And everyone should have a unicorn and an endless chocolate fountain. No nation should have nukes, but that's the reality. As long as they exist, mutually assured destruction is the only realistic policy to prevent their use.
Fascism is a specific political philosophy.
I've done this long enough to know citation is a waste of time in this conversation because either A) you won't look at it or B) you'll make up some excuse it's not valid.
Imagine saying something so absurd and then calling the other person unserious...
The Democrats didn't turn out to vote for Kamala, so yes, you can still blame the Democrats.
"The American experiment endures,"
I would say it just failed. I'm sorry but a system that elects a rapist, a 34 times convicted felon, one who defrauds students, cages children, takes away human rights, praises nazi's and dictators, and this was just the first term. I'm sorry but by any metric I care to meaure it by this is a failed experiment.
You forgot about the millions of people that died because of his Covid response
Right, I barely scratched the surface.
And this is exactly what's wrong with the Democrats, and why Biden never should've run. They're too comfortable in their big houses with all their money and privilege. They have no fucking idea what it's like for most Americans, and clearly they don't care because they've never had to. There is no party in the US to fight for regular people, so they didn't vote.
They are shit but they cant be alarmist reactionaries either. They need change but trying to encourage stability and console people isnt the worst
Except that they've spent the last 6 months telling everyone that it's a choice between them and fascism. Then when fascism comes they're like "oh well, we tried".
I'm just hoping that this loss will eventually make the Dems look inward, but I'm not holding my breath when he's saying shit like this.
I remember everyone saying the exact same in 2016. "Maybe Dems will reflect." Other than putting up a white man for 2020, I can't see a single difference in their approach ever since.
They basically did the same thing, but without super delegates. If the primaries are so corrupt that we just keep losing anyways, then we have no choice but to vote for a third party.
Very valid point, just goes to show the hyperbolic shit flinging that is the core of American politics.
Fascism is something to be alarmed about! It's an existential threat to democracy!
The Democrats had 4 years to do something about it and didn't. "Vote for us or else" is not a long term strategy, all it takes is losing one or two elections.
They had 24 years. We've objectively needed a clone-independent voting system since 2000.
Biden was there to beat Bernie.
Greens are still here! I think we got 600,000 votes this year.
A vote for Stein this year was a vote for Trump. Vote green in your local and state elections to get support growing, don't vote for them for president when they aren't even on enough ballots to win and the alternative is a literal hitler-worshipper.
Edit - Stein was actually on the ballot in 38 states so she technically could've won. I was thinking of Claudia De la Cruz and the PSL party - I have the same sentiment with them this election. These two divided the left and only benefited Trump. Vote green or PSL in your local elections and grow support for the non-democrat left.
Stein was on enough ballots to win. You're thinking of Claudia de la Cruz maybe.
Oh my bad - stein was actually on the ballot in 38 states so she could've won if she won almost all of them, but the chances of that are low enough to not even hope it could've worked.
Are you fucking kidding me, Jill Stein is your answer? Jill I don't know how many people are in the House of Representatives and I refuse to call Putin a war criminal Stein?
Do you have a better idea?
Yea, if you want more leftist policies than right, vote and work with Democrats at the federal level and try to get Ranked voting in more places. Exactly like Bernie has. Continue to support your third party in local until they become able to actually get folks elected to even a Senate post. As long as the Green Party can't even manage to get the most hippy district in the nation to get a single House Rep elected you might as well just cast your vote for Bob Ross.
Fuck the Green party. Jill Stein crawls out of its crypt every 4 years to spend russia's money and steal progressive votes away from the Democratic candidate.
Rich old white dudes are going to be ok.
"nothing will fundamentally change"
Aw man......I'm just a broke middle aged white guy........
Hate to break it to you, we're still near the top of the heap.
Honestly him getting re-elected is the first time in my life where I felt the absolute gravity of "Oh, THIS is white privilege" like theres no fuckin nuance to this. I'm straight, white and middle aged. If I say the right things I'll probably be fine, not much is going to change for me.
I cant say the same for a lot of other people.
I know what you mean, but I think lying under racism is classism, and the trumpers are a party to service rich people. I doubt they will take care of their "base". Did Trump do anything for the impoverished whites last time? I dont remember.
He gave them table scraps while feasting with his cronies (remember those COVID checks?).
I mean, you say that, but even straight white guys often have wives and/or daughters.
"I know people are still hurting, but things are changing rapidly. Together we've changed America for the better. Now we have 74 days to finish the term, our term. Let's make every day count."
Jesus fucking Christmas. Nothing will penetrate his perfect shield of fantasy.
Well I mean, what would you say in that position? It's hardly going to help any to come out and announce that everything is fucked and you'd probably also be pretty disinclined to say nothing of note was achieved in your own administration or that there isn't really enough time to do much of anything in the remaining period.
The beginning and end of Leadership is accountability. The Dems refuse to accept their part in this loss.
The President and Vice President have zero outward indications that this is personally painful to them, at all. If anything, they seem relieved to be passing the potato. If they are so out of touch, or so insulated from the pernicious outcomes of their doleful stewardship of this country, then WHY should voters place their trust in that party again, considering it's been helmed and staffed by the same obstinate members for decades?
I don't see Leadership, I see a kind of craven capitulation, at a time when America most needs its leaders to have fire in their bellies, and compassion in their eyes.
Yes it fucking would! That kind of honest assessment of reality is exactly what millions of working-class people have been clamoring for from Democrats for years now and not fucking getting!
And by "millions," I mean more than the margin of victory.
Not encouraging in the context of implementing harm reduction in the short time we have left. This stupid old fuck is going to smile and nod his way into the grave while wishing us all the best.
We aren't going to be okay. Stop saying it's going to be okay. Project 25 is not okay, turning Gaza into a crater is not okay, banning abortion is not okay, cutting Medicare is not okay. None of this shit is okay. Stop trying to sit and act like being cordial is going to make the right go, "Well, they're being so nice about it." We fucked up, and we need to face the consequences.
He just means technically we will probably survive. Maybe.
And he's weong.
Easy for his old, rich, white ass to say.
My immigrant ass is terrified.
How's the rest of your body doing?
My overstay torso is horrified
Thoughts and prays to your overstay torso, what ever the fuck that is.
It happens to a lot of people after their mid 20's. Damned slow ass metabolism.
If it helps, there's absolutely no way Biden is getting out of this unscathed unless he leaves the country too.
Biden: The American people need a message of hope in these dark times
The American people: goddamn it you senile bastard we needed an action plan not platitudes
as long as I did goodest job it'll be okay
where are my jellybeans?
Man, fuck Reagan for the deregulation that brought us Sinclair and Faux News!
I thought he wanted ice cream
He forgot.
Fair lol
3 days ago, it was going to be the last election, the ultimate election, the end times, the end of democracy. Now we'll be fine?
Pre-election Dems and post-election Dems cannot both be right. One of the two is lying.
it's just that democrats give republicans too much good faith and try to be the better people; both things can be true.
So... pre-election Democrats were not being the better people??? I really don't get this.
I am convinced that Project 2025 is coming to your country and that trumpism is the most dangerous modern day neo-fascist strain. I actually believe the pre-election Democrats. You don't appease fascism, you don't give it good faith, you resist it, you fight it, you crush it.
This about-face of the post-election Democrats is insane and it feeds directly into the "boy who cried wolf" narrative that the Right is pushing. Not to mention they are normalizing trumpism.
I have never felt a desire to become a terrorist. Until Tuesday night.
pre election democrats were literally warning about everything that has been planned since tuesday.....
the point is democrats always go the high road with "ok we must work together" regardless of what evil shit republicans do because they put too much (imo) trust in the jimmy stewart era
Fuck off Biden, now's the time to use that presidential immunity you just got to attack enemies of the state before your term ends. It's legal!
Seriously, Joe, go out with some fireworks.
'We're going to be OK' is copium for 'we're not ok now.'
What a fucking tool.
Good job, Biden. You care so much about your legacy? Guess what: your legacy is now “one of the hubristic egotistical dipshits that made so many unforced errors that you basically opened the fucking door for the fascists to take over”. You’ll be remembered alongside the likes of Neville Chamberlain and Paul von Hindenburg. You absolute fucking chode. You lost the fucking republic.
Guy surrendering power says it’s gonna be okay.
Guy taking power says we’re coming for you motherfuckers.
Hm, who to believe?
The people who say its all ok will be spared, motherfucker... they hope.
Yeah, no kidding.
No, it’s fine. We don’t do lesser evilism here so it’s fine. /s
No. Human rights aren't a disagreement. We can disagree on whether or not we enjoyed a movie or on what pizza toppings we prefer. But if the disagreement is that you want to kill me or people I care about, you are, by definition, my adversary.
Careful. This is what many said about the genocide in Gaza. That genocide wasn't something to brush off. That there was nothing more serious.
What is your actual point without sarcasm?
By we he means, them and their wealthy friends, and the celebrities they paraded during the last campaign. Struggling people can eat dirt.
And even those celebrities might need to watch out, political prosecutions are almost guaranteed in the next few years
This spineless fuck will be remembered for 1 thing and 1 thing only. Being the useless cunt that sat back and allowed Trump to walk right back in to the Whitehouse.
I think that may have been up to voters. And we fucked it.
Biden chosing not to prosecute him for his crimes because he didn't want it to look politically motivated allowed this to happen.
Are you suggesting he refuses to transfer power?
More a statement of how little he did to prevent this scenario/how shit of a president he was
Either the charges of treason/insurection are true, and the corruption of delays until after election needs to be corrected, or Trump should have been in military jail waiting trial back in 2021 are true, or DNC just wants the most loyal zionist to finish the job of genocide.
Or they slow-walked the investigations because they wanted to run against Trump again.
Yes, Before Oct 7, seemed to be a sure thing vs an insurectionist. But after, Trump got all of the money.
There's no law stopping someone in jail from being President. You can't vote, but you can be elected still
When in jail, it is no longer advantageous to corrupt the justice system with delays. You also don't get the corrupt privilege of facing a judge you appointed, when tried under military system.
I'm suggesting he actually prosecuted Trump for his crimes instead of trying to look politically neutral.
The neville chamberlin of america
"The American Experiment" amazing how full of shit this thinking is, basically american exceptionalism
bases the government on historical examples
pretends they invented the idea
I mean, it's a pretty American thing to do.
It's a repeat of a historical experiment, and he's fiddling while it burns.
Biden needs to shut up and get back to work appointing judges.
Rich dems and republicans, we’re all friends you see. We only differ in the degree of our ideology. We’re not actually opposed. We’ll all be fine. In fact we’re all going to the country club for a round of golf and some champagne later today. You poor suckers are screwed as always, but that’s life.
They agree that nothing should ever be able to touch their money or power
Well I guess that if your only opportunity of touching grass is at a country club, then they're the most out of touch Americans who probably still think video games cause violence and swear Harvard is the best place for their kids/grandkids even though it was historically a puritan group who hated the idea of religious freedom. I guess when it comes to the top we aren't all that different, so when it comes to the bottom and (the seemingly non-existent) middle classes they want us to hate each other yet come together like they do, but forget to realize that half of these lower class folks will likely commit acts of terror for a free tank of gas and a pack of marlboro reds. Inequality by class is the worst when nobody upper class even tries to see it.
Okay Boomer
Considering Gen Z boys voted heavily for Shitler, I don't ever want to hear "OK boomer" again. Gen Z is a generation of infantile incels who refuse to vote for a woman.
Are you sure that "incense" should not be "incels"?
I almost never use the word incel, so autocorrect changed it. I have a feeling it will learn the word soon eniugh.
42% of them voted for a woman
Is this supposed to be a counterpoint? 56% is voting heavily in favor of Trump
I'm responding to the sentence that I quoted. That sentence demonizes an entire generation unnecessarily.
I'm really not sure about that. I would say a lot of us didn't show up, which is damning. I wouldn't say a lot of us voted for Trump. The data doesn't back that.
A lot of people in the critical States didn’t show up
Such patronizing comments.
Why didn’t you prosecute any treasonous criminals? Useless coward.
You’ll be dead before you see the full fallout of this disaster.
the "we" he refers to is not us
His "We" aren't even watching, they're sunbathing off the coast of Cancun
Why do people insist on saying "The American experiment"??
Because there's no "wrong" answer in an experiment. AKA no accountability.
Because the British know that one day they'll be back. Kiss the crown, motherfuckers!!!
Wait is that an option? Gam Gam had a shop in Leicester before she moved to Minnesota.
I mean.........has your grandma been alive since before 1776?
Minnesota wasn't Minnesota in 1776 to my knowledge, but I don't know much about Minnesota. I should visit.
Mall of America still exists. Which.....is weird to me, but also I want to go.
Please take us back?
Can we shop around? New Zealand seems nice? I'd let Jacinda Ardern colonize me?
Wait is that an option? Gam Gam had a shop in Leicester before she moved to Minnesota.
From what I know, its a communist idea that all governments are inventions and that we are "trying them to see if they work".
I mean, what part of that is a communist idea? And of course they are all inventions that we are trying. Every country around the world is hoping their government system works best for their population. That said they are all for the most part , different.
İt'z ƿėn v ðoz "ſitı ȯ ė hil" ſentimintſ. İt u̇pſetſ bumṙz t ægnȯlidj ðæt n ė lȯt v "ekſpırimentıŋ" hæz bin gœıŋ ȯ ſinſ ð ſivil ruıts eırė.
::: spoiler spoiler It's one of those "City on a Hill" sentiments. It upsets boomers to acknowledge that not a lot of "experimenting" has veen going on since the civil rights era. :::
What language is this? (Thanks for including a translation)
İt'z ė hom-meıd oṙþȯgrifı f Iŋglic.
::: spoiler spoiler It's a homemade orthography for English. :::
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GaMGjmbXCxW14cq1bvZEpmwQuf11X6_YNhcPhGSPmCM/edit?usp=drivesdk
I understand everything, but not the older German "s" instead of usual English one. And that use of "u" is awful. Especially since it's inconsistent. Why are you doing this?
ſ fılz moṙ fu̇n, æ u in uI z bikȯz, æt lıſt i hau Uı ſpık, aı fılz tu "opin" f hau Uı prėnaunſ muı uı ſaundz. Luık ſpelıŋ luıt æz "laıt" fılz ƿeı ƿuıdṙ i ð tceſt ðæn hau Uı ſeı it.
::: spoiler spoiler ſ feels more fun, and u in uı is because, at least in how I speak, aı feels too "open" for how I pronounce my "I" sounds. Like spelling light as "laıt" feels way wider in the chest than how I say it. :::
Narrator: they would not be ok
Okay-ish
Imagine being an indigenous woman and hearing this.
https://www.bia.gov/service/mmu/missing-and-murdered-indigenous-people-crisis
In the long run, we will all be dead, and none of this will matter.
Just a bunch of suffering between now and then. No big.
There's a lot of time left on the clock.
Are you sure?
Maybe we can just do project sundial now and call it good (thanka Kurtzgesagt for letting us know it exists right before election day lmao)
I had to unsub from them during the pandemic. Too much existential dread and they just kept piling it on with video after video lol
Honestly I thought about it, I'm terrified by the results, but even if things have to get worse over the next 4 years before they get better, the young generation has the time to turn it around. The will to improve? That's still unknown to me.
I feel bad for Jimmy Carter seeing what his country has become...
At least following MAGA logic, starting next year we can say that Trump is causing the hurricanes, droughts, tornadoes and floods. Mother nature asking nicely hasn't seemed to get it in people's heads.
You realize that MAGA logic says that all of those things are the Democrats fault, and reason to persecute them. Only good things are from Trump.
yep, that's right
Thank you President Seymour!
Ayy, how apt.
How Keynesian.
MildlyInfuriatingThanks, Joe von Hindenbiden
Does Biden seriously think Trrump will let him retire in peace? He needs to flee the country before Trump is sworn in or he and his family will be arrested. There's no way Trump will let go the man who beat him, the man who made him look like a fool, the man who was going to have him arrested during his presidency.
Even Taylor Swift might be facing issues.
Trump cannot commit crimes as a president. There's no such thing as murder for him anymore.
Biden is rich he'll be just fine. Donnie talks a big talk but when push comes to shove money and connections are everything and Biden still has those. Just today they're reporting he's "paving the way for a smooth transition" or some other bullshit.
The rest of us are fucked but the rich and powerful will be the least fucked.
Oh so it's not just Biden who is delusional
Were you in a coma for Jan 6? They were going to execute Nancy Pelosi. Speaking of, they hit Nancy Pelosi's rich white husband on the head with a hammer. She didn't embrass Cheetoh even 10% of what Biden did. Biden beat him. Trump is a literal narcissist. Idk how to be more clear.
Men, most people really, just cannot fathom the depths of male abuse ig. Always gotta run interference for male abusers, even with obvious serious abuse histories, as your default rhetoric. Maybe stop doing that and start empathizing with victims. I'm telling you that man's psychology will not allow him to let Biden live peacefully. Not to mention Trump is literally Putin's puppet, another raging narcissist, and Biden cost Putin billions. It was found in court he colluded with Russia. America Kompromat by Unger shows a long history of blackmail by Russia to Americans including Trump. Active Measures documentary with John McCain and Hilary Clinton does as well.
What is happening next is 2 fold:
There we go, gotta make it a gender thing instead the actual FUCKING RICH RULING CLASS EVERYONE even though both Biden and Trump are men.
Refuting your little essay isn't even worth the time. Did they hang Pence? Did they "get" Nancy Pelosi? Or are those people still rich and living in their mansions?
You realize an angry mob or a psycho with a hammer is quite a bit different than an orchestrated, targeted hit right?
Fucking pearl clutching morons.
Omfg it's a gender thing BECAUSE YOUR GENDER IS ACTIVELY WORKING TO ENSLAVE MINE AGAIN. AGAIN!!!
So you think that violence doesn't count? Nancy Pelosi's husband being hospitalized isn't violent enough?
Trump has survived 2 assassination attempts himself since this. Biden doesn't need to survive a coordinated attack. He needs to survive every interaction he has with a stranger from now until he dies, plus hope he will avoid prison by Trump, plus hope that once he's jailed and in prison, he doesn't get Epsteind or Navalny'd.
Bruh Trump is starting this presidency off with trying to remove birth right citizenship and denaturalize 25 million Latinos, about 23 million of whom are here legally. They didn't do anything to him - they voted for him and he's going to deport them. Biden actively thwarted him and you think he'll just be cool with it? Lol you're projecting the moron thing. I think it's more that you're unable to refute me in any substantial way - I've already listed two major sources about Russian collusion for instance. Cute try at intellectualism though. Some things you can't bully your way into.
There's truly no war but the class war comrade. Let's suppose Biden is taken out, nothing would be lost and it'd serve his milquetoast ruling class self right, wouldn't it?
Btw pretty insulting for you to assume anything about my gender or color or orientation or creed or anything elsebecause I think your take is halfassed. This started long before 2016.
But hey I guess we can just wait around and see if Donnie does anything to Biden or if Biden just fades away and hangs out on a private beach somewhere.
Lol yes, I love being gaslighted.
If you can't see how this specific Russian war offensive began in 2016
If you can't see the ongoing war men have had on women resulting in our literal enslavement
If you can't understand intersectionality so you just tantrum and refuse to acknowledge it
If you can't see the ongoing war white people have had on PoC
That's on you!
We are all dead to climate change anyway!
But yes clearly the fascist dictator will be cool with his rival. We only have a few months to find out. And when I'm right, I won't DM or comment back to you because your opinion was always worthless anyway.
You're building a whole lot of strawmen.
The rightwing fight has been going on since shortly after FDRs New Deal, over 70 years. The wealthy hated it and immediately set about funding right wing think tanks to undo it's progress. They've been exceptionally successful and those thinktanks are now pipelines used to funnel judges and policy wonks into positions where they have power.
This is so much bigger than Russia or Gender and the fact that you think those are the actual fights really highlights why "the left" can't ever get it's shit together while the right votes in lockstep yet again. You can't see the forest for the tree.
Do you really think Biden was on any of our sides? Do you really think this is a new thing? That fascists just crawled out of the woodwork in the last 8 years?
Tell you what, I wish you were right, that might galvanize someone and prove the danger but it won't happen. Biden will open his presidential library and the country will continue circling the drain, yelling into the void while the right snatches more of our rights. But hey you can point at Trump and say "typical man!" like it means anything.
I didn't say "rightwing fight." I said this war we have going with Russia started, as in the first battles began, in 2016, or rather with the 2016 election.
Sure, we can also argue that this is a global backlash against civil rights, I agree there.
It's not bigger than Russia or gender. Lol. Yoy just mean that you are so narcissistic, that you don't care about the Russia war or women so you think thats objective and no one should. Lol.
The left can't unify because nonviolent antiabuse and antifascism, in a fascist abusive system, requires humility and people changing themselves and instead of that, we have men telling women that the "gender stuff" isn't a big deal and dismissing them. Like I get it, you abuse women, you could not make it clearer that you want me to be okay with violence towards women and that we should allow that in leftist spaces. It's not acceptable to me because controlling and abusing another person is fascism. In fact, there's an academic hypothesis that fascism is the personal political system between two people in an abusive relationship AND in group abusive relationships like cults. So allowing abusive controlling men into antifascist spaces is the same as allowing Nazis into antifascist spaces... Unless those men want to actively work on their deficiencies and reversing the damage they did, they can't be part of the movement.
Biden was on the side of the US. Where we physically reside. This means he cared about making sure our country was relatively stable and not being bombed. Now that a foreign hostile nation has control of our government, they can just bomb us. Or starve ur or blockade us. Trump is already talking about putting tariffs on us, just like we did to Russia as punishment for their war. It's revenge.
I think you live too comfortably and you don't understand how bad it can get here. Hubris etc.
Yeah I'm so bad for pointing out Trump is a racist and the peak of toxic masculinity and patriarchy, and me trying to subvert those systems so we don't get more Trumps. I'm so stupid for understanding how masculinity, male/gender narcissism, and fascism all interrelate along with Abrahamic religions, superhero tropes, Call of Duty, and war propaganda to create these exact men who lack empathy and sit with delusions while trained to blame and dismiss women (because we are the ones telling you to not go to war... so tbe war propaganda really needs you to disrespect our opinions). Like I'll explain it all for you if your little man ego can take it, but I really doubt you can.
Ad hominem much?
I have a lot better things to do than sit around and be called a wife-beating rapist.
Go fuck yourself.
Sure, be abusive and about your ego. That's more important, right? You and your self.
It's funny to see the different types of ideological bubbles on display. They really believe this.
Just clowns driving the clown car.
The "American experiment" as far as I am aware is one of "self-governance".
It arguably has never been tried in earnest since the founding of this country, at very least failed entirely in 2016 with Russia's influence and the zero consequences that arose from that, and was likely dealt a critical blow by the citizens united decision which all but guaranteed that rich people would decide our elections for us in the future.
We voted ourselves into what I'm now pretty convinced is an unshakable oligarchy. You'll get what the rich, international oligarchs want you to have and nothing else. They've built bunkers in New Zealand and the Ozarks for when the consequences come knocking at their doors.
Press X to doubt.
I really can't understand the level of "history is over, here" most of the West seems to be on. It's a delusion that has to break down eventually, but apparently we're not there yet.
So do something about it. Where's the Dark Brandon we fucking need?
There was never a dark Brandon, it was only a meme Libs used to cope and pretend their wet cardboard of a president was respectable.
No. We're not
Beyonce, Taylor Swift and LeBron's kid are also doing fine.
Copium
Fash support fash.
Oh look... it's Genocide Joe.
Get ready for Uber genocide donnie
Now that you mention it, we have genocide nicknames for the Biden and Harris administration but not yet for Trump.
Any suggestions? Needs to be catchy that starts with a T or D
It works on liberals because they pretend to be the "good" cop. Give something similar to Trump and you'll just be flattering him and his white supremacist base. They want genocide.
I was about to downvote until I saw the community.
Right, for him when Trump or Harris wins, the election is fair and transparent.
I'm sorry for the conspiracy tone, but they do keep playing you for fools.
“The American experiment endures”
You are going to be fine
Stop with the Lemmy circle jerk
I would rather overreact and we all end up fine than underreact and watch my friends be imprisoned and/or executed.
You know there are people in this world today who actually have to deal with issues without playing a victim online after an election campaign.
Tasteless
You mean like Ukrainians? When Putin just won the election?
Anywhere people are living under occupation...
That clown ain't getting imprisoned or executed.
Hyperbolic statement is tasteless.
Ah yes. Like LGBTQ+ people?
Do you have any evidence that Trump wants to imprison and execute LGBT people?
What about the 25million Latinos in the US that project 2025 wants to denaturalize forcibly?
My mother and sister will lose access to healthcare after the Republicans repeal Obamacare.
They will lose access to food aid when the federal entitlement programs are gutted.
Suffering is not a competition. Your broken leg doesn't heal my broken arm.
You find our laments annoying? Hold on sunshine, because we're just getting started.
The original claim.
Obama care is not getting repealed it makes insurance parasites too much money. Red herring there too...
Trump again calls to 'replace' Obamacare, reopening a fight Republicans tried to close.
House Speaker Mike Johnson criticizes Obamacare and promises 'massive reform' if Trump wins.
Insurance companies aren't the ones in charge.
You may continue to believe one person's suffering is more important than another, and you can try to shout down anyone expressing any fears you personally don't "vibe" with. I'm not going to tone police you. But someday, you might find yourself needing to speak out, and I hope you meet someone like yourself when that happens. I'm sure you'll feel grateful to them.
He promised the same in 2016 but here we are 🤡
A lot of people thought that Roe v. Wade would never get repealed, either.
People keep ignoring the terrible shit Republicans say that they want to do, because they're skeptical that it'll happen. If you don't want bad things to happen, then quit voting for people who say that they want to do bad things.
If Democrats cared about abortion rights, they would have codified it...
I guess they don't need to since y'all still voting for them enough.
It was easy for them to count roe v wade as a W, best W ever since they didn't shit to get it and they didn't do shit to protect it. Ginsburg didn't resign under obama is a cherry
At what point will y'all hold DNC and your beloved regime whores accountable for anything? Serious question, if this L ain't it... Lol
🤦
The reason he failed in his first term is because the legislation died in the Senate, and the legal challenge died in the Supreme Court -- which are both now overwhelmingly Republican.
But you knew that. In which case you're being disingenuous. Or you didn't. In which case you are lazy and ignorant. In either case it's pretty clear that your only goal here is to waste my time. I'm through teaching Civics 101 for the day.
promised to repeal ACA, didn't happen.
Premised to lower immigration, didn't happen
=
He did pass a bunch of tax cuts for corporate and rich though, but y'all are concened about that
No wonder we get these regime whores, y'all can't even figure how how they are hurting you
Tell that to the families who lost daughters due to the fact that doctors legally couldn't help them during miscarriages.
You can't know that. If you don't want to hear people's despair, that's fine, block it. But don't pretend that has anything to do with some supposedly "fine" future -- just be upfront about the fact that you don't care. Might as well; uncaring people are doing pretty well for themselves these days.
It must be nice being a rich white man.