Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.
It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down...
It's not going down from normal user load.
If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.
If you're on that instance they make pinned posts pretty frequently where they explain all that...
Do you want them to call everyone individually and let them know?
I've explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.
Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.
do you think i'd have a chance at getting in if for my application i just say i want to get away from lemmygrad and hexbear?
It wouldn't hurt mentioning that as part of your application lol
You can’t really kill a decentralized service without burning down the whole internet. Another way would be to offer a competing services, but that hasn’t killed e-mail yet.
Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
Don't you all love democracy?
Let's vote on who is the face of the fediverse.
Sweet logo, ngl
Here's our actual logo.
My obvious bias aside it is a banger logo.
It comes in lots off different flavors.
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Those are sick ngl.
linkZ to the NFTZ?
We are socialists... just right click and save them.
They will never be the face because they're always down.
You ain't wrong lol
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don't mind it but it's definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I've noticed a lot more "normie" content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Piracy not appealing to the everyman? With the relentless rise in the cost of living and with streaming services increasing costs and cracking down on password sharing, I don't see many people turning up their nose at piracy these days.
It makes it look like scary hackerman place
I'm okay with that, people generally not inclined to pirate must not visit a pirated sub, by choice or by accident. They may get culture shock and mistake perfectly legal conversations for other things and make a false report.
Those who want to pirate generally knows how to search for communities for piracy. No matter who's blocking who, they'll eventually find what they want. The block will act as a filter of some sorts.
Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.
Yeah, I'm fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of "jailbait."
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there's something I want to find I'll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I'm not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don't manage the server and I'm not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what's right and legal.
Hot take: .world and others banning/blocking /c/ is better for the fediverse and for piracy. It means less eyes on piracy discussions and incentivizes users to spread out to other instances instead of just all using .world.
Fantastic take. Imagine a conglomerate of smaller instances that largely make no waves and allow 70% of the community to just see what they want. Dare to dream.
It's a great take and I hope they do continue to ban/block more controversial topics so people spread out more.
i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.
i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc
We're gonna need a Lemmy client that can log into multiple accounts at the same time and display a combined feed of allof those accounts...
Liftoff has been doing that for A while
Thanks for the rec, I had no idea
Now we need one that does that and is available on FDroid.
Liftoff is fantastic for that
The big issue with that. Is where the host instance is located.
If Lennyworld is located somewhere piracy will get them shut down. Federatng a pirate instance is a bad idea.
Hosting is the legal issue. Linking to illegal content that somebody else is hosting is much harder to tackle legally, which is why isohunt was around for so long despite being based in the US. IIRC they shut down not because they lost any lawsuits but because they just couldn't afford the legal battle.
Exactly, and Lenny world's pockets are tiny probably
Most people will not put their time and energy into running an instance which is destined to become a fascist playground with policies like those. You might not like it but in this real world that we are all forced to live in, that is what those policies lead to.
I think with the principles Lemmy was made under the fracturing of the community into blocs is basically inevitable. You'll have the original/developer/"tankie" bloc at lemmy.ml, the more mainstream/liberal bloc at lemmy.world, and all the smaller instances orbiting around and between them some connected to both and some connected to neither.
To do something like you suggest would require a single, centralized instance that lists all the others and tags them to allow users to pick which ones to subscribe to - and if the Lemmy devs did that then we'd be right back to the problems inherent to .
So long as major instances continue to rely on blacklists rather than whitelists, that won't be a problem for the hundreds of small instances.
Holy fucking shit they're blocking piracy? What a bunch of losers. Get off the anti-corporate platform built on copyleft principles if you have a problem with piracy.
Transphobia? That's cool with them. Treating food workers like shit? Also fine. But watch a copy of a movie? "Horrible theft". There are people dying over preventable causes due to patents that aren't even held by the creators. I hate liberals
I created an account today on lemm.ee because I thought defeterating from hexbear sucked, then there were others and today was the last straw, even though I don't pirate.
I didn't leave reddit for more restrictive platform. Lemmy.world sucks balls.
Eh? It's understandable. They shouldn't be forced to deal with any legal issues that come with it.
You can just use another instance that fits your needs, isn't that the whole point of this decentralized model?
There are no legal issues. You can fucking talk about piracy completely legally. This is a moral position being taken under the excuse of legality by liberals who run their server with a strict political leaning, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists and defederation from every left wing space.
Yes, because it's illegal. If you're going to be the biggest host you're a bigger target which means you need to be more careful. What's good about the fediverse is that you have distributed instances so smaller ones can support things like piracy, and if a small one gets taken down there will be others in its place. The same game of whack a mole is what has allowed torrent tracker sites to exist. If there was one centralized torrent tracker site it would get shut down.
What the post says is exactly right. You'd be an idiot to have one account for your normal usage and piracy usage. In your normal usage you'll inevitably leak personally identifiable information. Having multiple accounts and multiple instances is the exactly right thing to do to keep piracy alive.
There is nothing illegal about talking about piracy. Get a grip. This is entirely about taking a moral position, because the server is run by liberals with a clear and obvious political position, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists.
They're not just talking about piracy, they're linking to it. There's piracy subs on Reddit too and they're allowed because they are very careful to only talk about it and not link to it, and they're severely gimped because of that. What's great about lemmy is that instances that are on with the risk can do so without having to follow anyone else's rules and users can access it by simply having another account.
Linking to pirate sites is also not illegal. https://1337x.to/ woooooooOOooOOooooo scary! I just broke the lawwwww according to you, get a grip.
I think the media companies have been abusing the DMCA to go after people who link to pirated material. also, I'm starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they're trying to "clean" the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans. it's a conservative interpretation of the law, especially the recent rounds that purported to go after human trafficking but actually forced major websites to take down anything remotely objectionable.
Ahh they're trying to sell out. Gross.
Wasn't the admin of .world one of the ones who went into the NDA'd cocksucking meetups with Meta?
I'm starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they're trying to "clean" the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans.
If that's true they're idiots. It's not even fucking necessary. All the social media VCs deliberately take the most neutral stance possible for the LARGEST possible userbases. Did reddit? Did any other social media site do that? Fuck no they didn't. They viewed them as user sources and valuable towards growth. It's literally the opposite of what every VC funded group does.
The cleanup only happens before an IPO. During VC funding companies are always as free as they can possibly be.
yeah, that's the part that confuses me. whatever it is, it's another stupid decision in a series of stupid decisions, and hopefully it just kills the instance.
"Wow, Blockbuster sucks because I have to drive to a physical store. I know, let's open up another brick-and-mortar store that's exactly like Blockbuster minus the name recognition. That'll show 'em!"
Reddit never had any issues with r/Piracy. They don't host anything, they just refer to websites that host stuff. If anything they'd help companies to discover what websites they should take down.
Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!
Welp, I guess that's it for me, I'm not looking to have my hand held while I access information. I can decide for myself what is and is not acceptable on my feed. Maybe .world is just feeling the crunch and they need to thin out the numbers? It's a shame either way.
But that's why federation is great. If you don't like how one instance handles stuff you can move to any other instance that suits you or even host your own.
They just don't have the money to pay the lawyers that you need if you want to host that kind of content without shutting the whole thing down to move it on occasion.
Same this explains why I haven't seen any shrooms posts. If I wanted to be treated like a child I'd use Reddit
It's not because they want to nanny you, it's because they can't afford the legal fees.
This is going to be a problem for any instance that gets big enough to be noticed by copyright holders or law enforcement. The legal issues will start to pile up.
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
De-federation is bad.
defederation is good for nazi and CSAM instances. no one should touch either with a 10ft pole. there's absolutely no reason to give them a larger platform.
While I agree with you, I'd really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don't want my instance from defederating from much, but I'd like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol
You would be free to do that, just as you can make filters in gmail. But the difference is who gets to make that decision.
I think they're actually planning on adding that soon, one of the devs mentioned it during their AMA that it's one of the next big features they plan to try to tackle. (Edit: looks like the work is mostly done, it's just under review https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3869)
Also kbin already has it, but I prefer Lemmy's UI much more so I just deal without having user instance blocking for now
Nah I gotta disagree on this one. I specifically joined this instance as a welcoming space. I'm glad we're defederated from the tankie and far right instances. I want none of that here. You can feel differently for the "main" instances or whatever you want to call them, but for me, defederation is amazing.
The lemmy.world admins blocked a bunch of piracy communities from federating with their instance seemingly out of nowhere: no legal threats, no DMCA notices, no apparent consequences if they don't.
Uh, weird they didn’t say anything considering they’re relatively open about their moderation. Guess I’ll just grab some popcorn and wait.
Dude, just make multiple accounts. Don't use one account for everything or you'll associate personally identifiable information with your piracy account.
Anyone know of a good/current breakdown of the available instances? I landed on LW during the reddit exodus, and so far I've been happy here - haven't felt the itch to relapse back to reddit or the need to find a new home on the fed... even this piracy thing isn't a deal breaker for me personally since I don't really engage in that content anyway - but on principle I dislike that it's been blocked.
Despite all that, I wouldn't mind poking my head around just to see what's up, and maybe find my nice little niche, but I don't know the best way to actually go about navigating the fed.
Not exactly what you asked for but since you seem to care about it, you can use https://fba.ryona.agency/ to see what instances are blocked by what instances and vice versa. Here are the instances LW blocks for example.
Good resource for metrics! I'd really love some more qualitative information though - like by metrics alone, exploding.heads looks pretty decent; but I know just from hanging around here for the past month or so that it's a hive of neonazis and definitely NOT somewhere I'd want to spend any time. Also info like which instances block / are blocked by the one in question; compatibility with mobile apps or quality of mobile website... shit like that. Would have been awesome to have a guide like that when I joined up as a brand-newbie; but even after having my feet in the water for a bit, I'm kinda lost on where to go from here.
I have created my own instance. With blackjack! And hookers, err, NSFW.
I found a cheap VPS and the easy_deploy script from git, that's how it started. And for 10 €/month I'll keep it going with a user count of 1.
Kinda expensive vps for a single person instance, is it not?
Maybe, but I'm enjoying it.
I think their point is you could have spent a lot less.
is that considered best practice ?
i'm not sure how any of this is supposed to work or if as a user i am supposed to care.
i've budgeted next month to pay the maintainer of the thingy that i am thingy-ing and hopefully on a monthly basis. but is the end game for users to run their own instances ?
It's the same as hosting your own email server. Yes it's "best practice" to host your own, but there's updates, bug workarounds, certificates, etc etc that makes it easier to use someone else's server. In the end it's a personal choice.
Like hosting your own email server, if you also copy everyone else's emails to your server for the heck of it.
The end game is to either run your own instance, or find an instance that is run by an admin with the same mindset as you might have.
Or use multiple accounts on different instances that represent your different interests. Like maybe you have a "news & shitposting" account, and another "programming and piracy" one, etc. And ensure each account is on an instance that supports the necessary federations to support that.
or find an instance that is run by an admin with the same mindset as you might have.
I found one that apparently does for me, but then that mindset is "let me see everything, and leave what I want to view up to me".
Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
I've never bothered with private trackers, what benefits do they actually provide?
Speed, quality, safety, and seed status are the main benefits IMO. The downsides are you have to keep a good ratio or at least not hit and run.
Back when I used public sites I remember most torrents being slow, in private sites many people use a seed box so even if there are only a couple seeds it's usually still blazing fast. Since uploaders in private sites have some reputation to upkeep, their releases will usually be quality. I also feel completely safe downloading something with only a couple seeds on private sites, but on public sites I worry if I'm downloading a virus if there are no comments and very few seeds.
The private sites are also usually not big enough for anyone to care about, so the chances of them being taken down or targeted are minimal.
I have also not gotten one ISP warning since moving over to private sites years ago, and that's even with not using a VPN
I was invited to a private tracker by a friend who swore by them as having way more stability and more people seeding. Turns out, even after interviewing, I was never able to connect to a single torrent. Went back to public and never looked back.
feedit.de offers a list of instances they have defederated.
Every instance shows that list
Yeah, but a singular place that have all this data would make it so much better.
huh, really? I couldn't find it in the side bar of lemmy.ml which is why I thought that it is something they do in particular.
Just go to {{instanceurl}}/instances. Scroll to the bottom for the defederated instances.
On any instance, you can just scroll down to the bottom of the page, there should be a Instances link on the right side of it, along side Modlog, Docs, Code...
PS: This on a browser
They all do, just add /instances after the url
That gives you who they block, but unfortunately not who they are blocked by.
Ah, I misinterpreted what they were asking for.
I've begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.
Who are exploding heads? I.e. what about people from that instance?
Hitlerite instance
Yea, looks like a pretty bad gutter alley they got there, it's one of those "anything goes freedom of speech" just to cover up for despicable ranty slurring.
We just doubled our numbers somehow! Look at all these new users joining the fediverse 😅
I joined over there because, funnily enough, that was on of the few instances not blocked by my work. 🤷
Lemmy is big enough to get blocked now?
My forum was blocked at my work, it had roughly 20 active users.
My bank’s employees can’t look at my business’s website because the url contains the string “kill”
Honest question, is there an app or frontpage that would allow to mix instances that are not federated?
Unless an instance has access to everything, having two accounts will show a lot of duplicated contentent (for example, in "all" it will show technology@lemmy.world in likely all instances)
It would be simpler just to pick an instance that to date refuses to defederate from anyone. I use SDF, and I picked it in part for that reason.
I also don't think they're going anywhere, since SDF has been around continuously since the 80s (literally started as an anime BBS) and still runs a lot of services that would seem unusual to care about these days (including having a gopher server), so I figure their Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Matrix, etc instances aren't going anywhere.
It would but then that bath water comes with the baby.
I can get people talking about piracy but it comes with Russian propaganda, Hitler love, fat shaming and homophobia.
It would be kind of cool to have a client where your communities come from specific instances where you want them. If an instance goes down have it pick a backup instance and pull the community from there. Of course it would require separate accounts in separate communities with separate subs on each instance, making each user weigh many times there normal cost for lemmy operation.
There's always self-hosting, but it has its own discovery pitfalls. When you'd like a pie hole and public rated block lists where you can tell it what you do and don't want to see
Sh.itjust.works seems to be an instance that is pretty good about being chill with stuff while also blocking the really bad instances,it's also super stable. They've had 2? Outages maybe 3, compared to lemmy.world's endless ones.
I was trying to make an account there yesterday and it was down all day. Was it down for you yesterday or am I doing something wrong?
It was down for a few hours yesterday I think, that was the third outage it's had like ever as far as I've seen
You can always choose what you subscribe to and use the subscribed feed, or alternately just block communities that offend you as you encounter them, depending on how tightly curated an experience you want to have. I honestly feel like the only thing that needs is the ability to use wildcards in blocked community names to let you block a bunch of related communities quickly.
I know that is what broke the camels back for me, not that I personally partake in piracy but, it concerns me because if that is being done, what else could be being done. I understand the legal ramifications of the storage of it but, idk it just put a bad taste in my mouth, it was the first instance of censorship that didn't make full sense and was made due to a random account that was downvoted to oblivion, was super concerning. I still have an account on it but, it made me aware I needed more variety
Is there an official blocked communities list and defederated list for each instance? Also can you have the same username on a different instance? I fear we are going to lose people who don't really care that much about the federation stuff and just want to use Lemmy like reddit. Although I guess reddit is similar in that they decide what communities are allowed as well...
Yes you can have the same username on different instances, similar to how email addresses work
Don't think there's an easy way to see blocked communities, but it's easy to see blocked instances with the instances link at the bottom of the page
Yes, "Instances" at the very bottom of the pages
As an alternative to lemmy.world I would like to suggest my own instance endlesstalk.org.
I have no plans to deferate or ban anything releated to piracy. Only thing that might change my mind would probably be a company taking legal action against me.
I also strive to have as little downtime as possible and keep everything running smoothly.
only time would prove that ur instance would be reliable.
also ur instance won't be an exception: when corps deem that u hav a high enough usercount instance that is making piracy content accessible among users, they wouldn't hesitate to threat u legally, so federation with pirate instances shouldn't be a selling point, unless u have an unlimited stock of money to hire a lawyering firm.. still, i would gladly vouch for ur instance. We Lemmy as a whole can't do much against corp action: they have the financial means to afford legal action, or run unlimited ddos attacks for days, bringing Lemmy basically to its knees, we need to learn how to tread through this, instead of acting like tough guys.
Also hope more people come out and advertize their instance and vowing that they u would maintain it as humanly possible, cause i am running out of recommendations honestly
If your offering boils down to "the same that lemmy.world is offering" (other than with potentially better uptime lol,) then it's not that great an offering as you make it to be.
Lemmy.world does a great job(with a little downtime) and it is the same software we are hosting, so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better "offering"
Better uptime as you mentioned
Different deferation/moderation policy.
Visual customizations(eg. different theme)
I try to provide a better uptime and a different deferation/moderation policy. I don't have the skills to make visual customizations, but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
I'm open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the "offering".
so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better “offering”
(2.) mostly covers pretty much anyone one would want to do, offer-wise. It's also the aspect that's currently the most distinguishable across the instances marketplace. But the issue is, it's one thing to say that you are going to offer a different defederation / moderation policy ("we're going to allow piracy", for example) and another thing is sticking to it (", unless some legal threat"). If what you are saying is "I'm not gonna block piracy until it's somehow inconvenient for me", not only is that the same flat offering most of everyone else is making, but it's also a nebulous offering because it tells a new user nothing useful and offers no commitments: When is that "inconvenient" gonna be? What is the measure for "inconvenient"? What's gonna happen then? How will we know? (no, suddenly finding that the instance you had an account on now redirects to the FBI is not good enough).
I’m open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the “offering”.
Add more qualifications to your offering, such as:
Are you going to close upon any legal threat, or only upon a certain degree or size of threat?
From the US only, or from any country?
Will you close instantly, or will you guarantee a Minimum Survivability Timeframe for eg.: helping users to migrate away, like Mastodon's covenant does?
but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
If you add the JS-less frontends, you, like others who are doing it, are doing Yahweh / Arceus / Allah / Amaterasu 's work.
Thank you for clarifying(and sorry for the late answer).
For you (and anyone interested) I will answer the questions you asked.
Are you going to close upon any legal threat, or only upon a certain degree or size of threat?
If the legal threat is real(they have a real chance to win in a court) and there is nothing I could do(come to an agreement, move the hosting to another server etc), then I would close the server.
From the US only, or from any country?
Server is hosted in Germany
Will you close instantly, or will you guarantee a Minimum Survivability Timeframe for eg.: helping users to migrate away, like Mastodon’s covenant does?
As long as there aren't fines for keeping the website up or I get arrested, I would give a notice, so users can move to another server.
Lemmy.world banned piracy so a lot of people will stop using lemmy.world, splitting the load
Sounds pretty reasonable to me if the loser dweebs at lemmy.world want to ban the piracy comms. lol, even allows piracy subs.
Since the hexbear federation I've seen that little stormfront logo a lot, illuminate me, what's that?
An alt-right neonazi forum/organization/etc. Putting it to reddit context is for two reasons. First, because we're all pissed at reddit's recent behavior. But second because Spez has been accused (with evidence) of being sorta Elon-like in his courting of the alt-right, and possibly having extreme right leanings himself.
Stromfront is a literal white supremacist neo-Nazi forum. As in the logo on their website has "White Pride World Wide" written around a Celtic cross. If you've ever seen The Boys, that site is the reason the character Stormfront is named that, and she's positively nice compared to some of what goes on in that forum.
The whole point is to liken Reddit to Stormfront, and it's connected to hexbear because ChapoTrapHouse is on hexbear and ChapoTrapHouse is more or less the only lefty subreddit to ever be punished under rules against brigading, calls for violence, etc. They were quarantined and later banned. So since Reddit banned an explicitly lefty sub that one time, that makes Reddit akin to a white supremacist hate forum.
Ty, so it wasn't a reddit sub?
There is a stormfront subreddit, but it's a different thing entirely. Someone snapped up the sub name and made a sub about severe weather, specifically to snub their noses at Stormfront the neo-Nazi group.
Not as much fun as the worldnews and anime_titties subreddits.
Oh man, I remember when the anime_titties debacle happened. My front page was suddenly full of hentai one morning, and I didn't no why. I thought my account had been hacked at first lol
It's a lot more nuanced than that. The Chapo mods wanted to follow site-wide rules but reddit refused to explain what was in violation of them.
Reddit actually has a weird history of flipflopping with the banhammer.
Back in the day, the XKCD subreddit was run by a guy who linked a Holocaust denial subreddit and the red pill in the sidebar. Reddit didn't do anything about this. In fact The Red Pill still exists.
But then when the subreddit owner closed KotakuInAction, suddenly reddit doesn't mind interfering with the free market of ideas.
The Chapo mods wanted to follow site-wide rules but reddit refused to explain what was in violation of them.
And here I thought it was all the brigading and the calls for violence. Admittedly mostly violence against police, though not exclusively.
Reddit didn't do anything about this. In fact The Red Pill still exists.
TRP generally doesn't brigade, and doesn't engage in calls for violence. It's a shitty view of the world for sure, but they dont at least do those two things, they mostly grouse about shitty and unreasonable they think women are.
But then when the subreddit owner closed KotakuInAction, suddenly reddit doesn't mind interfering with the free market of ideas.
KiA has heavy handed mods that are basically the only reason the sub continues to exist, and an outright ban on certain topics they expect to cause contention. When the original sub owner killed it, the next willing mod down the line asked for it back and it was given to them. That's not radically different from what happens with other abandoned subs, except that usually they are actually abandoned and there has to be more talk about who should take over.
Sucks for us interested in it but It's completely understandable. Making an account on another instance and transferring your data takes no time at all, which is exactly what I did.
I have accounts on multiple instances, but what does transferring your data entail when you say that?
Transferring the communities you subscribed or blocked to your new account. I used lasim, just downloaded the info from my old account and uploaded it to my new one. Only took a few seconds to do.
I thought about using this but bro, I'm not installing a desktop piece of software for this nonsense.
That's my problem. When people say "just switch instances, it's why the fediverse exists" did they ever stop to think that it's a pain in the ass? Or that there's going to be significantly fewer communities and users on other instances?
I am not finding my same communities outside of lemmy world due to the overall lower usage of lemmy. So we're faced with switching instances to "fight the good cause" and have no content, or stay at Lemmy World.
Not everyone here is a ln Uber tech nerd that has all the time in the day to fuck around with this stupid site.
If you join an instance that isn't defederated with lemmy.world, you should have access to all of the same communities and comments that you'd see there. That's kind of the entire idea.
For example, I'm viewing this post and these comments from sh.itjust.works. I had to go back to the top of this post to see that it originated from lenmy.ml
that concept still blows my mind. we're all together now... but separately.
And this ties into people asking for things like "is there a way to LIST what communities an instance has?" On an app by app basis, because as the other user said - this whole "we're in this together" thing with the federation idea isn't really clicking.
Same here. Not because I'm a pirate, but because lemmy.world has been trigger happy with blocking instances /communities.
I did not leave reddit to be a part of even bigger shit show. So here's hoping the fediverse works out.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I could see World being a safe place to create big mainstream communities, and maybe remain a good starting point for people joining the fediverse.
I'd love a safe mainstream place based on mutual respect and healthy discussions of different viewpoints. Lemmy.world will not be that place if they continue their course. Defeterating pre-emptively (like hexbear) or banning community for discussing pirating (mind you, talking about pirating is not illegal and the community hosted no pirated content) is only a way of creating the Stepford Wifes community.
At this point lemmy.world seems like an echo chamber blocking any instances they don't agree with its a sad sight to see
Some are doing one step more and registering on the instances hosting the piracy communities.
I think this is not the worst idea
yep, just signed up on a different instance 🙂
Also found another niche instance to post from myself
What is this meme alluding to? can i get a tldr?
.world defederated piracy communities
Search for "contex t" on this page (mispelled on purpose so that is doesn't come up when other people will look for it
The least chaotic misspelling ever
That's me!
Hey, me, too!
Hit me with some .world alternatives. I was on lemm.ee but they haven't defederated from hexbear and liftoff won't let me block entire instances yet.
Tap instances at the bottom of the page.
Just signed up for starters.website, they still have beehaw which is cool
Most of the instances that are not LW and sh.itjust.works have actually
What is beehaw?
Before the flood of people beehaw was one of the main instances. Now just an interesting group of people (and nowhere near the size of world).
Beehaw.org
They're a heavily moderated instance
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
They’re pearl clutching legalists this was inevitable, really
Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.
It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down...
It's not going down from normal user load.
If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.
If you're on that instance they make pinned posts pretty frequently where they explain all that...
Do you want them to call everyone individually and let them know?
I've explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.
Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.
do you think i'd have a chance at getting in if for my application i just say i want to get away from lemmygrad and hexbear?
It wouldn't hurt mentioning that as part of your application lol
You can’t really kill a decentralized service without burning down the whole internet. Another way would be to offer a competing services, but that hasn’t killed e-mail yet.
Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.
Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.
Don't you all love democracy?
Let's vote on who is the face of the fediverse.
Sweet logo, ngl
Here's our actual logo.
My obvious bias aside it is a banger logo.
It comes in lots off different flavors.
Those are sick ngl.
linkZ to the NFTZ?
We are socialists... just right click and save them.
I think it was a joke and a really good one.
I knew that.
:side-eye-1:
Huh? What NFTs?
The NFT was a lie.
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This sentence implies that you don't. Why don't you like democracy?
it implies that it's not democracy. people just make accounts based on which instance is currently the largest.
@Freeanotherday@hexbear.net was saying that the "face of lemmy" wasn't voted on, and is surprised, because libs like yourself usually like democracy..
They will never be the face because they're always down.
You ain't wrong lol
FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don't mind it but it's definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.
I've noticed a lot more "normie" content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.
Piracy not appealing to the everyman? With the relentless rise in the cost of living and with streaming services increasing costs and cracking down on password sharing, I don't see many people turning up their nose at piracy these days.
It makes it look like scary hackerman place
I'm okay with that, people generally not inclined to pirate must not visit a pirated sub, by choice or by accident. They may get culture shock and mistake perfectly legal conversations for other things and make a false report.
Those who want to pirate generally knows how to search for communities for piracy. No matter who's blocking who, they'll eventually find what they want. The block will act as a filter of some sorts.
Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.
Yeah, I'm fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of "jailbait."
Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there's something I want to find I'll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.
I'm not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don't manage the server and I'm not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what's right and legal.
Hot take: .world and others banning/blocking /c/ is better for the fediverse and for piracy. It means less eyes on piracy discussions and incentivizes users to spread out to other instances instead of just all using .world.
Fantastic take. Imagine a conglomerate of smaller instances that largely make no waves and allow 70% of the community to just see what they want. Dare to dream.
It's a great take and I hope they do continue to ban/block more controversial topics so people spread out more.
i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.
i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc
We're gonna need a Lemmy client that can log into multiple accounts at the same time and display a combined feed of allof those accounts...
Liftoff has been doing that for A while
Thanks for the rec, I had no idea
Now we need one that does that and is available on FDroid.
Liftoff is fantastic for that
The big issue with that. Is where the host instance is located.
If Lennyworld is located somewhere piracy will get them shut down. Federatng a pirate instance is a bad idea.
Hosting is the legal issue. Linking to illegal content that somebody else is hosting is much harder to tackle legally, which is why isohunt was around for so long despite being based in the US. IIRC they shut down not because they lost any lawsuits but because they just couldn't afford the legal battle.
Exactly, and Lenny world's pockets are tiny probably
Most people will not put their time and energy into running an instance which is destined to become a fascist playground with policies like those. You might not like it but in this real world that we are all forced to live in, that is what those policies lead to.
I think with the principles Lemmy was made under the fracturing of the community into blocs is basically inevitable. You'll have the original/developer/"tankie" bloc at lemmy.ml, the more mainstream/liberal bloc at lemmy.world, and all the smaller instances orbiting around and between them some connected to both and some connected to neither.
To do something like you suggest would require a single, centralized instance that lists all the others and tags them to allow users to pick which ones to subscribe to - and if the Lemmy devs did that then we'd be right back to the problems inherent to
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So long as major instances continue to rely on blacklists rather than whitelists, that won't be a problem for the hundreds of small instances.
Holy fucking shit they're blocking piracy? What a bunch of losers. Get off the anti-corporate platform built on copyleft principles if you have a problem with piracy.
The losers are commenting on this site as well.
https://hexbear.net/post/317675
Transphobia? That's cool with them. Treating food workers like shit? Also fine. But watch a copy of a movie? "Horrible theft". There are people dying over preventable causes due to patents that aren't even held by the creators. I hate liberals
lmao of course the bootlicker clutches pearls over "trans ideology".
I created an account today on lemm.ee because I thought defeterating from hexbear sucked, then there were others and today was the last straw, even though I don't pirate. I didn't leave reddit for more restrictive platform. Lemmy.world sucks balls.
Eh? It's understandable. They shouldn't be forced to deal with any legal issues that come with it.
You can just use another instance that fits your needs, isn't that the whole point of this decentralized model?
There are no legal issues. You can fucking talk about piracy completely legally. This is a moral position being taken under the excuse of legality by liberals who run their server with a strict political leaning, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists and defederation from every left wing space.
Yes, because it's illegal. If you're going to be the biggest host you're a bigger target which means you need to be more careful. What's good about the fediverse is that you have distributed instances so smaller ones can support things like piracy, and if a small one gets taken down there will be others in its place. The same game of whack a mole is what has allowed torrent tracker sites to exist. If there was one centralized torrent tracker site it would get shut down.
What the post says is exactly right. You'd be an idiot to have one account for your normal usage and piracy usage. In your normal usage you'll inevitably leak personally identifiable information. Having multiple accounts and multiple instances is the exactly right thing to do to keep piracy alive.
There is nothing illegal about talking about piracy. Get a grip. This is entirely about taking a moral position, because the server is run by liberals with a clear and obvious political position, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists.
They're not just talking about piracy, they're linking to it. There's piracy subs on Reddit too and they're allowed because they are very careful to only talk about it and not link to it, and they're severely gimped because of that. What's great about lemmy is that instances that are on with the risk can do so without having to follow anyone else's rules and users can access it by simply having another account.
Linking to pirate sites is also not illegal. https://1337x.to/ woooooooOOooOOooooo scary! I just broke the lawwwww according to you, get a grip.
I think the media companies have been abusing the DMCA to go after people who link to pirated material. also, I'm starting to suspect world is trying to get funding because they're trying to "clean" the site up in exactly the way banks/VCs require for loans. it's a conservative interpretation of the law, especially the recent rounds that purported to go after human trafficking but actually forced major websites to take down anything remotely objectionable.
Ahh they're trying to sell out. Gross.
Wasn't the admin of .world one of the ones who went into the NDA'd cocksucking meetups with Meta?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
If that's true they're idiots. It's not even fucking necessary. All the social media VCs deliberately take the most neutral stance possible for the LARGEST possible userbases. Did reddit? Did any other social media site do that? Fuck no they didn't. They viewed them as user sources and valuable towards growth. It's literally the opposite of what every VC funded group does.
The cleanup only happens before an IPO. During VC funding companies are always as free as they can possibly be.
yeah, that's the part that confuses me. whatever it is, it's another stupid decision in a series of stupid decisions, and hopefully it just kills the instance.
"Wow, Blockbuster sucks because I have to drive to a physical store. I know, let's open up another brick-and-mortar store that's exactly like Blockbuster minus the name recognition. That'll show 'em!"
Reddit never had any issues with r/Piracy. They don't host anything, they just refer to websites that host stuff. If anything they'd help companies to discover what websites they should take down.
Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!
Welp, I guess that's it for me, I'm not looking to have my hand held while I access information. I can decide for myself what is and is not acceptable on my feed. Maybe .world is just feeling the crunch and they need to thin out the numbers? It's a shame either way.
But that's why federation is great. If you don't like how one instance handles stuff you can move to any other instance that suits you or even host your own.
They just don't have the money to pay the lawyers that you need if you want to host that kind of content without shutting the whole thing down to move it on occasion.
Same this explains why I haven't seen any shrooms posts. If I wanted to be treated like a child I'd use Reddit
It's not because they want to nanny you, it's because they can't afford the legal fees.
This is going to be a problem for any instance that gets big enough to be noticed by copyright holders or law enforcement. The legal issues will start to pile up.
That's fair, didn't consider that at the time
You can find the new community on sh.itjust.works
What's the shrooms community?
Not sure how to properly post it for everyone, but Shrooms@sh.itjust.works or !Shrooms@sh.itjust.works
The second one, thanks.
Remember Netizen, when you're pirating Disney, you're downloading communism!
"You wouldn't download a communism"
A would download & 3D print both communism & Disney, then watch them fight
I love how some people assume that everyone agrees on the ethics of piracy
Piracy is bad, mkay?
Where is this quote from
Old poster but I'm not sure the exact year
no I meant the first quote (thx tho)
For some reason now when I try to view the comment it's not there, but I can see it in the full comment thread. https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2195177
thanks a lot!
it's the admin message on lemmy.world
i haven't read that anywhere
Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.
Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.
De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.
Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.
Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.
De-federation is bad.
defederation is good for nazi and CSAM instances. no one should touch either with a 10ft pole. there's absolutely no reason to give them a larger platform.
While I agree with you, I'd really love the possibility of block whole instances, just for me. I don't want my instance from defederating from much, but I'd like for example to block all the porn without having to find myself some christian lemmy instance to move to lol
You would be free to do that, just as you can make filters in gmail. But the difference is who gets to make that decision.
I think they're actually planning on adding that soon, one of the devs mentioned it during their AMA that it's one of the next big features they plan to try to tackle. (Edit: looks like the work is mostly done, it's just under review https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/3869)
Also kbin already has it, but I prefer Lemmy's UI much more so I just deal without having user instance blocking for now
Nah I gotta disagree on this one. I specifically joined this instance as a welcoming space. I'm glad we're defederated from the tankie and far right instances. I want none of that here. You can feel differently for the "main" instances or whatever you want to call them, but for me, defederation is amazing.
Very good point
I think lemmy.world is about to be rudely made aware of how many pirates were on their site.
Might help lighten their load.
If there is one thing a pirate is good at, it's lightening other's loads!
They're not making any money from this anyway
I feel like I missed something, what happened?
The lemmy.world admins blocked a bunch of piracy communities from federating with their instance seemingly out of nowhere: no legal threats, no DMCA notices, no apparent consequences if they don't.
Uh, weird they didn’t say anything considering they’re relatively open about their moderation. Guess I’ll just grab some popcorn and wait.
They said something on discord apparently.
Ah yes, my favorite open platform for mass announcements lol
Oh, yeah! That app that totally EVERYBODY uses even though it’s really garbage for information! 🤠
Where is the piracy? (Asking for a friend.)
Tell your friend to visit !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com.
thx. forwarded it. happy pirate sounds
Mach, was du willst, denn ein Pirat ist frei, du bist ein Pirat!
My friend wants to know too. He has his pirates license.
!piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com
!piracy@lemmy.ml
edit: *!
That's called a privateer
dbzer0
Welcome fellow pirate!
Lemmy.world blocked the dbzer0 instance? I guess it's time to switch then...
They didn't block the whole instance, just the specific piracy community.
Lol, that's fine by me, coz I'm here living in dbzer0, arrr!
Dude, just make multiple accounts. Don't use one account for everything or you'll associate personally identifiable information with your piracy account.
The only thing that makes data useful to humanity is the fact that it can be copied - not copying data is unethical.
Salut à toi dear disciple of the Kopimist church
Hmmm... most interesting. Thanks!
Anyone know of a good/current breakdown of the available instances? I landed on LW during the reddit exodus, and so far I've been happy here - haven't felt the itch to relapse back to reddit or the need to find a new home on the fed... even this piracy thing isn't a deal breaker for me personally since I don't really engage in that content anyway - but on principle I dislike that it's been blocked.
Despite all that, I wouldn't mind poking my head around just to see what's up, and maybe find my nice little niche, but I don't know the best way to actually go about navigating the fed.
Not exactly what you asked for but since you seem to care about it, you can use https://fba.ryona.agency/ to see what instances are blocked by what instances and vice versa. Here are the instances LW blocks for example.
https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list
Good resource for metrics! I'd really love some more qualitative information though - like by metrics alone, exploding.heads looks pretty decent; but I know just from hanging around here for the past month or so that it's a hive of neonazis and definitely NOT somewhere I'd want to spend any time. Also info like which instances block / are blocked by the one in question; compatibility with mobile apps or quality of mobile website... shit like that. Would have been awesome to have a guide like that when I joined up as a brand-newbie; but even after having my feet in the water for a bit, I'm kinda lost on where to go from here.
I have created my own instance. With blackjack! And hookers, err, NSFW.
I found a cheap VPS and the easy_deploy script from git, that's how it started. And for 10 €/month I'll keep it going with a user count of 1.
Kinda expensive vps for a single person instance, is it not?
Maybe, but I'm enjoying it.
I think their point is you could have spent a lot less.
is that considered best practice ?
i'm not sure how any of this is supposed to work or if as a user i am supposed to care.
i've budgeted next month to pay the maintainer of the thingy that i am thingy-ing and hopefully on a monthly basis. but is the end game for users to run their own instances ?
It's the same as hosting your own email server. Yes it's "best practice" to host your own, but there's updates, bug workarounds, certificates, etc etc that makes it easier to use someone else's server. In the end it's a personal choice.
Like hosting your own email server, if you also copy everyone else's emails to your server for the heck of it.
The end game is to either run your own instance, or find an instance that is run by an admin with the same mindset as you might have.
Or use multiple accounts on different instances that represent your different interests. Like maybe you have a "news & shitposting" account, and another "programming and piracy" one, etc. And ensure each account is on an instance that supports the necessary federations to support that.
I found one that apparently does for me, but then that mindset is "let me see everything, and leave what I want to view up to me".
Uh…well I know what I’m about to do then. If I wanted some cunt to have unrestricted control over the content I see I would have stayed with Reddit and that pigboy spez.
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
I've never bothered with private trackers, what benefits do they actually provide?
Speed, quality, safety, and seed status are the main benefits IMO. The downsides are you have to keep a good ratio or at least not hit and run.
Back when I used public sites I remember most torrents being slow, in private sites many people use a seed box so even if there are only a couple seeds it's usually still blazing fast. Since uploaders in private sites have some reputation to upkeep, their releases will usually be quality. I also feel completely safe downloading something with only a couple seeds on private sites, but on public sites I worry if I'm downloading a virus if there are no comments and very few seeds.
The private sites are also usually not big enough for anyone to care about, so the chances of them being taken down or targeted are minimal.
I have also not gotten one ISP warning since moving over to private sites years ago, and that's even with not using a VPN
I was invited to a private tracker by a friend who swore by them as having way more stability and more people seeding. Turns out, even after interviewing, I was never able to connect to a single torrent. Went back to public and never looked back.
Any Lemmy instance list which shows communities that have been defed by each instances? Should help new users make better choices.
https://fba.ryona.agency/
feedit.de offers a list of instances they have defederated.
Every instance shows that list
Yeah, but a singular place that have all this data would make it so much better.
huh, really? I couldn't find it in the side bar of lemmy.ml which is why I thought that it is something they do in particular.
Just go to {{instanceurl}}/instances. Scroll to the bottom for the defederated instances.
On any instance, you can just scroll down to the bottom of the page, there should be a Instances link on the right side of it, along side Modlog, Docs, Code...
PS: This on a browser
They all do, just add /instances after the url
That gives you who they block, but unfortunately not who they are blocked by.
Ah, I misinterpreted what they were asking for.
I've begun blocking their communities in my accounts and I plan to defederate from them when i get home. Fuck em. Place is infested with exploding heads anyway.
Who are exploding heads? I.e. what about people from that instance?
Hitlerite instance
Yea, looks like a pretty bad gutter alley they got there, it's one of those "anything goes freedom of speech" just to cover up for despicable ranty slurring.
Context https://sh.itjust.works/comment/2181865
Ia there a list somewhere of insurances that do NOT blck piracy?
Also just a quick yes or no question: does lemmy.ml block piracy?
I guess the only instance guaranteed to not block piracy is the one at which the community itself is hosted
yeah I'm feeling pretty save, glad I made the right choice
My instance (https://lemmings.world) doesn't block piracy (at least until I receive some letter from lawyers telling me to fuck off and delete it).
We just doubled our numbers somehow! Look at all these new users joining the fediverse 😅
I joined over there because, funnily enough, that was on of the few instances not blocked by my work. 🤷
Lemmy is big enough to get blocked now?
My forum was blocked at my work, it had roughly 20 active users.
My bank’s employees can’t look at my business’s website because the url contains the string “kill”
Honest question, is there an app or frontpage that would allow to mix instances that are not federated? Unless an instance has access to everything, having two accounts will show a lot of duplicated contentent (for example, in "all" it will show technology@lemmy.world in likely all instances)
It would be simpler just to pick an instance that to date refuses to defederate from anyone. I use SDF, and I picked it in part for that reason.
I also don't think they're going anywhere, since SDF has been around continuously since the 80s (literally started as an anime BBS) and still runs a lot of services that would seem unusual to care about these days (including having a gopher server), so I figure their Lemmy, Mastodon, Pixelfed, Matrix, etc instances aren't going anywhere.
It would but then that bath water comes with the baby.
I can get people talking about piracy but it comes with Russian propaganda, Hitler love, fat shaming and homophobia.
It would be kind of cool to have a client where your communities come from specific instances where you want them. If an instance goes down have it pick a backup instance and pull the community from there. Of course it would require separate accounts in separate communities with separate subs on each instance, making each user weigh many times there normal cost for lemmy operation.
There's always self-hosting, but it has its own discovery pitfalls. When you'd like a pie hole and public rated block lists where you can tell it what you do and don't want to see
Sh.itjust.works seems to be an instance that is pretty good about being chill with stuff while also blocking the really bad instances,it's also super stable. They've had 2? Outages maybe 3, compared to lemmy.world's endless ones.
I was trying to make an account there yesterday and it was down all day. Was it down for you yesterday or am I doing something wrong?
It was down for a few hours yesterday I think, that was the third outage it's had like ever as far as I've seen
You can always choose what you subscribe to and use the subscribed feed, or alternately just block communities that offend you as you encounter them, depending on how tightly curated an experience you want to have. I honestly feel like the only thing that needs is the ability to use wildcards in blocked community names to let you block a bunch of related communities quickly.
Not that I've seen, at least not cleanly. It's the dream I'm looking for.
I know that is what broke the camels back for me, not that I personally partake in piracy but, it concerns me because if that is being done, what else could be being done. I understand the legal ramifications of the storage of it but, idk it just put a bad taste in my mouth, it was the first instance of censorship that didn't make full sense and was made due to a random account that was downvoted to oblivion, was super concerning. I still have an account on it but, it made me aware I needed more variety
Is there an official blocked communities list and defederated list for each instance? Also can you have the same username on a different instance? I fear we are going to lose people who don't really care that much about the federation stuff and just want to use Lemmy like reddit. Although I guess reddit is similar in that they decide what communities are allowed as well...
Yes you can have the same username on different instances, similar to how email addresses work
Don't think there's an easy way to see blocked communities, but it's easy to see blocked instances with the instances link at the bottom of the page
Yes, "Instances" at the very bottom of the pages
As an alternative to lemmy.world I would like to suggest my own instance endlesstalk.org.
I have no plans to deferate or ban anything releated to piracy. Only thing that might change my mind would probably be a company taking legal action against me.
I also strive to have as little downtime as possible and keep everything running smoothly.
only time would prove that ur instance would be reliable.
also ur instance won't be an exception: when corps deem that u hav a high enough usercount instance that is making piracy content accessible among users, they wouldn't hesitate to threat u legally, so federation with pirate instances shouldn't be a selling point, unless u have an unlimited stock of money to hire a lawyering firm.. still, i would gladly vouch for ur instance. We Lemmy as a whole can't do much against corp action: they have the financial means to afford legal action, or run unlimited ddos attacks for days, bringing Lemmy basically to its knees, we need to learn how to tread through this, instead of acting like tough guys.
Also hope more people come out and advertize their instance and vowing that they u would maintain it as humanly possible, cause i am running out of recommendations honestly
If your offering boils down to "the same that lemmy.world is offering" (other than with potentially better uptime lol,) then it's not that great an offering as you make it to be.
Lemmy.world does a great job(with a little downtime) and it is the same software we are hosting, so I can only see a couple of ways to make a better "offering"
I try to provide a better uptime and a different deferation/moderation policy. I don't have the skills to make visual customizations, but I have added multiple frontends(like lemmy.world).
I'm open to suggestions/ideas if there is anything else that could be done to improve the "offering".
(2.) mostly covers pretty much anyone one would want to do, offer-wise. It's also the aspect that's currently the most distinguishable across the instances marketplace. But the issue is, it's one thing to say that you are going to offer a different defederation / moderation policy ("we're going to allow piracy", for example) and another thing is sticking to it (", unless some legal threat"). If what you are saying is "I'm not gonna block piracy until it's somehow inconvenient for me", not only is that the same flat offering most of everyone else is making, but it's also a nebulous offering because it tells a new user nothing useful and offers no commitments: When is that "inconvenient" gonna be? What is the measure for "inconvenient"? What's gonna happen then? How will we know? (no, suddenly finding that the instance you had an account on now redirects to the FBI is not good enough).
Add more qualifications to your offering, such as:
If you add the JS-less frontends, you, like others who are doing it, are doing Yahweh / Arceus / Allah / Amaterasu 's work.
Thank you for clarifying(and sorry for the late answer).
For you (and anyone interested) I will answer the questions you asked.
If the legal threat is real(they have a real chance to win in a court) and there is nothing I could do(come to an agreement, move the hosting to another server etc), then I would close the server.
Server is hosted in Germany
As long as there aren't fines for keeping the website up or I get arrested, I would give a notice, so users can move to another server.
Lemmy.world banned piracy so a lot of people will stop using lemmy.world, splitting the load
Sounds pretty reasonable to me if the loser dweebs at lemmy.world want to ban the piracy comms. lol, even
allows piracy subs.
Since the hexbear federation I've seen that little stormfront logo a lot, illuminate me, what's that?
An alt-right neonazi forum/organization/etc. Putting it to reddit context is for two reasons. First, because we're all pissed at reddit's recent behavior. But second because Spez has been accused (with evidence) of being sorta Elon-like in his courting of the alt-right, and possibly having extreme right leanings himself.
Stromfront is a literal white supremacist neo-Nazi forum. As in the logo on their website has "White Pride World Wide" written around a Celtic cross. If you've ever seen The Boys, that site is the reason the character Stormfront is named that, and she's positively nice compared to some of what goes on in that forum.
The whole point is to liken Reddit to Stormfront, and it's connected to hexbear because ChapoTrapHouse is on hexbear and ChapoTrapHouse is more or less the only lefty subreddit to ever be punished under rules against brigading, calls for violence, etc. They were quarantined and later banned. So since Reddit banned an explicitly lefty sub that one time, that makes Reddit akin to a white supremacist hate forum.
Ty, so it wasn't a reddit sub?
There is a stormfront subreddit, but it's a different thing entirely. Someone snapped up the sub name and made a sub about severe weather, specifically to snub their noses at Stormfront the neo-Nazi group.
Not as much fun as the worldnews and anime_titties subreddits.
Oh man, I remember when the anime_titties debacle happened. My front page was suddenly full of hentai one morning, and I didn't no why. I thought my account had been hacked at first lol
It's a lot more nuanced than that. The Chapo mods wanted to follow site-wide rules but reddit refused to explain what was in violation of them.
Reddit actually has a weird history of flipflopping with the banhammer.
Back in the day, the XKCD subreddit was run by a guy who linked a Holocaust denial subreddit and the red pill in the sidebar. Reddit didn't do anything about this. In fact The Red Pill still exists.
But then when the subreddit owner closed KotakuInAction, suddenly reddit doesn't mind interfering with the free market of ideas.
And here I thought it was all the brigading and the calls for violence. Admittedly mostly violence against police, though not exclusively.
TRP generally doesn't brigade, and doesn't engage in calls for violence. It's a shitty view of the world for sure, but they dont at least do those two things, they mostly grouse about shitty and unreasonable they think women are.
KiA has heavy handed mods that are basically the only reason the sub continues to exist, and an outright ban on certain topics they expect to cause contention. When the original sub owner killed it, the next willing mod down the line asked for it back and it was given to them. That's not radically different from what happens with other abandoned subs, except that usually they are actually abandoned and there has to be more talk about who should take over.
Sucks for us interested in it but It's completely understandable. Making an account on another instance and transferring your data takes no time at all, which is exactly what I did.
I have accounts on multiple instances, but what does transferring your data entail when you say that?
Transferring the communities you subscribed or blocked to your new account. I used lasim, just downloaded the info from my old account and uploaded it to my new one. Only took a few seconds to do.
I thought about using this but bro, I'm not installing a desktop piece of software for this nonsense.
That's my problem. When people say "just switch instances, it's why the fediverse exists" did they ever stop to think that it's a pain in the ass? Or that there's going to be significantly fewer communities and users on other instances?
I am not finding my same communities outside of lemmy world due to the overall lower usage of lemmy. So we're faced with switching instances to "fight the good cause" and have no content, or stay at Lemmy World.
Not everyone here is a ln Uber tech nerd that has all the time in the day to fuck around with this stupid site.
If you join an instance that isn't defederated with lemmy.world, you should have access to all of the same communities and comments that you'd see there. That's kind of the entire idea.
For example, I'm viewing this post and these comments from sh.itjust.works. I had to go back to the top of this post to see that it originated from lenmy.ml
that concept still blows my mind. we're all together now... but separately.
And this ties into people asking for things like "is there a way to LIST what communities an instance has?" On an app by app basis, because as the other user said - this whole "we're in this together" thing with the federation idea isn't really clicking.
Sounds like user error.
Just made an alt account on lemm.ee
Same here. Not because I'm a pirate, but because lemmy.world has been trigger happy with blocking instances /communities. I did not leave reddit to be a part of even bigger shit show. So here's hoping the fediverse works out.
It will be interesting to see how it shakes out. I could see World being a safe place to create big mainstream communities, and maybe remain a good starting point for people joining the fediverse.
I'd love a safe mainstream place based on mutual respect and healthy discussions of different viewpoints. Lemmy.world will not be that place if they continue their course. Defeterating pre-emptively (like hexbear) or banning community for discussing pirating (mind you, talking about pirating is not illegal and the community hosted no pirated content) is only a way of creating the Stepford Wifes community.
At this point lemmy.world seems like an echo chamber blocking any instances they don't agree with its a sad sight to see
Some are doing one step more and registering on the instances hosting the piracy communities.
I think this is not the worst idea
yep, just signed up on a different instance 🙂
Also found another niche instance to post from myself
What is this meme alluding to? can i get a tldr?
.world defederated piracy communities
Search for "contex t" on this page (mispelled on purpose so that is doesn't come up when other people will look for it
The least chaotic misspelling ever
That's me!
Hey, me, too!
Hit me with some .world alternatives. I was on lemm.ee but they haven't defederated from hexbear and liftoff won't let me block entire instances yet.
Tap instances at the bottom of the page.
Just signed up for starters.website, they still have beehaw which is cool
Most of the instances that are not LW and sh.itjust.works have actually
What is beehaw?
Before the flood of people beehaw was one of the main instances. Now just an interesting group of people (and nowhere near the size of world).
Beehaw.org
They're a heavily moderated instance
Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.
They’re pearl clutching legalists this was inevitable, really
Ayyyyy