Americans assuming everyone else is from America and knows everything about America.
The American mind cannot comprehend this.
Americans can’t see this comment chain.
Edit: or should I say “Ameri-can’t see this comment chain”
But if Americans can't see this comment chain, how USA-ful is it to the discussion?
Idk I've had the impression that this is not as bad here as it was on the place that shall not be named.
It is. I still wish it "Politics" would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it's own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News is US stuff and the general topics need the "World" prefix.
Lemmy.ml has US Politics as a comm, and World News as a comm.
Fair point.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it's just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
It's better than on Reddit, which was usually justified by "it's an American site", but it's definitely still here and annoying on Lemmy.world.
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
Oh, die Bargeldsache geht mir auch auf den Sack. Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Vergangenheit gereist * g *
Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt so, als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Zukunft gereist lol
feddit.de is dead, long live feddit.org!
or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of...
...ich_iel?
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
In conclusion, what if God did bless America ?
Wait we still don't have a bot for that?
Reverse for me.
Talking about an American politician.
In a thread about American politics.
In a community about American politics.
On an American instance.
Cue 200 "UGH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AMERICA CENTRIC WHY AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT EEEEUUUUUURRRRROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPE" butthurt comments.
Or just the random snarky shit they think is so clever.
"America, are you okay?" for the 500th time is not clever, just like it wasn't the first couple hundred times it's been posted.
Yeah, it's contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
Honestly imo lemmites are better at this than any other social media site.
Same but with being fluent in english.
Like nobody is "dumb" for not being an expert at speaking English, let alone just speaking 😭
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I'm guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It's just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
Regarding weights and measures:
I don't think in metric, and there's a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can't immediately interpret in my head, it's absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It's equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I'm the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I'm willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my "guests," especially at this stage of the game. It's just some extra consideration, to show people I'm being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we're testing what level of civility we're willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don't see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I'm just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That's the real thing I'm looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can't prevent it all. I'll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you've said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn't done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
Yes, it is a strange thing to make a fuss over.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn't make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
I don't put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don't even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I'd tell them to go ask Google.
I think a large portion of lemmy is too focused on making lemmy popular. Fake engagement and posts that nobody cares about don’t create engagement. Instead, more focus on just enjoying lemmy would ironically lead to better posts and discussion. Likewise, people post the same articles to the same communities seeking engagement. It leads to dupilication which waters down the discussion, ironically, also leading to less engagement. I think federalised communities, as has been discussed would be a good solution. However, it strikes me that they don’t want to miss out on karma, for some reason. So, short term gain, for long term hassle of multiple posts. If some of the most prolific posters posted to the most relevant community and cross posted elsewhere, then maybe communities would coalesce more.
An example of this that really bothers me: I joined several gaming munis because I like to talk about games. But there are people out there who feel that a gaming muni should be about the games industry, and so those munis are just a constant stream of gaming news articles, patch notes, and trailers. Mostly with completely barren comment sections. What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don't care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
I think less of an emphasis on having a steady stream of content and more on only posting something that you believe is worthy of discussion would be so much better. If people want to see literally every rockpapershotgun article, they can subscribe to their RSS feed.
I try to comment on things so there is engagement and conversation. Without engagement, this is just a collection of bookmarks.
But it's kinda up to us to create that. Somehow. Sometimes even just a quip or shitpost comment can sort of open the floodgates.
The way I see it, people shouldn't post things unless they have some discussion they want to have about that thing. They shouldn't post just because it's news. I'd be fine with Lemmy having far less frequent new posts if those posts were all created by people who were legitimately trying to share something rather than just generate content.
Yeah. I find that a lot of comment sections are rather empty and some people who are there are really bad at discussions.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games.
I joined with the Reddit exodus and there were so many communities that were a straight copy of a subreddit. No discussion, just posts - yuck.
What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don't care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
Please yes this. It's good to see gaming related news but largely I just want to nerd out about the games themselves. Of course I should be told to just post my own damn content, but I have admittedly never been good about creating OC.
I think part of this comes from wanting a broader base of content, which I agree with. The rest seems to come from wanting the downfall of Reddit, who is in my rearview mirror so I don't care.
We are currently like old Reddit, a techy, mostly progressive, crowd. That means a lot of uni-topic content.
When there are 10,000 users, and 5 of them are into sewing, the sewing community is dead. When there are 100,000 users, and thus 50 interested in sewing, content starts to form. You can see where this goes from here.
Coalescing into massive communities is a mixed bag. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes them more vulnerable to rogue moderators, sudden loss of a server, the need to defederate if the host server gets compromised, provides a more attractive target for bots, and other bad actor things.
Yes it would improve ease of use and make Lemmy more newbie friendly, and it can be frustrating to have conversation splintered. Lots of times I'll comment on an empty story at the top of my new feed only to find a lively discussion a little lower. That's all frustrating, I agree. It's also, I think, the nature of federating.
If multiple different news communities are thriving despite posting pretty much the same content, there are reasons for that. People can pick just one to subscribe to, and they don't all pick the same one. That tells me there is something about each one that makes them attractive to different people.
I think it can really hurt smaller communities, though.
I'de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
Right? People hardly mention Linux 'round here lol
Seriously, I don't even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He's a good guy.
Lol fuck off.
Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn't homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn't change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
the absolute best thing on Lemmy is seeing someone complain about an instance that your instance defederates from
Lemmy.ml does have both advantages and disadvantages being federated with almost every major server, for sure.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you're not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn't as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
Outside of a select couple instances where even mentioning an opposing view without disgust and insults results in furious down voting, reporting, and a ban lol.
Personally I'd like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where's the whimsy, where's the tomfoolery folks
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
It's time to be silly then :3
Yeah. I've seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
The smug self righteous attitudes in the comments. People here need to loosen up and stop being deathly serious about things.
It seems like everyone is here to have snarky little "I'm more right than you" arguments.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
I can't be evil I use Linux and only FOSS programs.
Yes, but how much carbon emissions were released by this comment?
I second this!
100%. People seem to be competing for some moral high ground constantly no matter where.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It's not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case due to federation.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There's also a New Comments sort that doesn't have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don't know how many people use it.
Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn't work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it's all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy’s comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don't think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don't feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It'll just stick around for way too long.
The Hot and Scaled sort shouldn't be showing anything that old, try changing your default post sort to that for a bit.
Active will do what you're saying tho, keep bumping things.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done.
that's why i've switched to "new"
I prefer using the "scaled" feed rather than "active". It's like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I'm left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you're left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.
I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse.
That's largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.
I'm left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate.
The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy's federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.
There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
You're not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.
As for "echo-chambers," I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don't necessarily mean productive conversations.
I feel most of the extreme views can be moderated with a ban list of several instances (notably hexbear and lemmygrad) and several individuals. The toxicity of the discourse lowers drastically.
I tend to tag users that seem disingenuously pushing agendas, and if they persist in that consequently they go on the ban list.
That improved my experience by miles and made clear that the group of people doing this is actually quite marginal.
Eh, solarpunk itself is an aesthetic, not an ideology. As such, like cottagecore and other aesthetics without ideological backing, there does exist a subset of ecofascists and ecofascist adjacent ideologies.
Hexbear.net fits "happy communists" better.
disagreed! there is an aesthetic but there is also separately an ideology, and ecofascism is certainly not welcome on (e.g.) slrpnk.net. solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
That's not a coherent ideology, that's an aesthetic pulled from a ghibli-inspired milk commercial, which again reveals how an aesthetic can get taken advantage of by right-wing interests if there is no strong ideological framework.
There's no call to action, no theory to set to praxis. There is a goal, but no method to get there. Like all such movements, its doomed to fail the way the Owenites did.
I love environmentalism and solar energy, veganism and self-sustainability. However, solarpunk as an encompassing "movement" is not the path there, as it's an aesthetic.
This is written like someone that hasn't kept up with solarpunk since that commercial came out.
What theory and praxis has come out since then?
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There's enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.
Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There's enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.
I was interested, actually. I read through it, a lot of things people say they stand for and against, and what types of art styles they like and envision, but no actual theory or praxis behind it.
I already stated why it needs a strong ideological backbone to avoid being taken advantage of by ecofascists, but I'll restate it: bad actors can and will use the aesthetic to push alternative messaging, just like what already happened to cottagecore.
Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.
Those are certainly good things, I never stated that Solarpunk is only "bad," in fact I think many good things have come from it. However, to paint it as a place of "happy communists" when there have been ecofascists using it to push their messaging, is a bit off, hence why I pointed it out and explained my issues with it overall.
I've not been aware of ecofascist cooping the movement. But I imagine the vegan mods would sus that out quickly 😜
I suppose my point is that a movement doesn't have to know everything about itself to be effective and while anecdotal; I've learned a lot about communism/socialism and mutual aid from solarpunk spaces.
I've not been aware of ecofascist cooping the movement. But I imagine the vegan mods would sus that out quickly 😜
Not saying the Solarpunk community on Lemmy definitely has it, but it is a problem with the "movement" itself overall, like all aesthetic-movements do.
I suppose my point is that a movement doesn't have to know everything about itself to be effective and while anecdotal; I've learned a lot about communism/socialism and mutual aid from solarpunk spaces.
That's a good thing! I would still try to learn and read Theory outside of a solarpunk context though.
That's a good thing! would still try to learn and read Theory outside of a solarpunk context though.
I've picked up Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin at the request of a comrade at our mutual aid organization. But I still don't think you understand that Solarpunk is a point of intersection to extend a post scarcity, environmental sustainability and social justice to people that are less aware of these concepts.
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement.
If it doesn't have ideas and it isn't testing those ideas through social practice it isn't a movement?
Except movements are rarely focused like that. I doubt The Black Panthers knew school lunches and child care were going to be the traction they needed when they started theirs. Just like I doubt the kid that just heard of solarpunk and wants to learn how to grow veggies because of it, understands what their effort might do to change their community.
I'll admit solarpunk is very much in a spaghetti on the wall phase rn. But it's also barely a decade old.
I doubt The Black Panthers knew school lunches and child care were going to be the traction they needed when they started theirs.
Incorrect, the Black Panther Party was Marxist-Leninist and was attempting to build up a vanguard party, and a part of that theory is building up dual power and parallel structures to fold the public in and garner support.
Effective political action is focused and intentional. The BPP had a plan. There is no central solarpunk organ for democratic decision making, there is no party program. They have nothing that would make them an effective org.
Stop needlessly shitring on Windows, iOS and MacOS.
Recently there was a post about Wallmart blocking privacy features on iOS when connected to their wifi.
And the comments spoke about how if you are using Apple, you should not expect privacy anyway, implying that Android is a bastion of privacy. Which tunred into an annoying thread and deflected critisism from Wallmart.
I have seen other threads when people are asking for help with Windows or Mac OS issues and the comments talk about how Linux is much better.
That is kinda like, asking your friends for help after spraining your ancle, and them suggesting amputating the entrie leg replacing it with a far more powerful cybernetic robot leg, that doesn't help you.
I am an IT guy, I just want my computer to work and let me game, manage and edit photos, watch videos, and listen to music, my current Windows 10 machine works fine for me.
I don't want to tinker when I am home, I have tinkered enough at work managing 365, reading logs, writing scripts and pulling cables.
When I feel that Linux is working well enough, I will switch, but that is up to me, I am not interested in how I can configure my computer to my exact specification, I want a decent computer that I can run the same install on for 6-7 years with updates before upgrading or reinstalling. So far has Windows provided that, Linux has not, I have dailied both.
Sorry for the rant...
My lemmy experience got so much better when I blocked any community that talked almost exclusively about anything linux related.
Same here
Lol fuck windows
I doubt you'll enjoy the experience....
They paywalled my condom so I had to raw dog
Huh
Something I like about lemmy is that I can pick out this comment (or a sub comment) and sort by controversial.
fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you 'spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you'.
Just put a lot of salt in your coffee. Problem solved.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it's mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I'd like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
It's the inverse that is true actually -
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
I think an important step to making Lemmy more popular is making sure it actually shows up in search engines. I don't know enough to say how though
The objective ought to be more engagement, not more users.
If lemmy goes from 200 posts about Linux a day to a thousand posts about Linux a day, I will leave. Fuck that shit
Hey, good to see you here.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
That's a good point.
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I've ever seen - you can't downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don't allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can't do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
Let their compatriotd be their downvotes
Low-karma accounts are rate-limited. I don't know what the threshold is, but that goes away after you gain some karma.
Stop using giant catchall instances and switch to a smaller instance that's more suited to you.
One of the major advantages of a federated system is that it doesn't really matter which instance you use. There's no real advantage to using a larger instance, and in fact there's several disadvantages as the large instances can be slower, maintenance can take longer, it's more expensive to run the servers, etc.
One of the reasons people moved away from Reddit was to avoid one company (Reddit) and especially one person (the Reddit CEO) having control over the whole thing. Using a huge Lemmy server kinda defeats the point of switching across.
The fact that it's mostly like Reddit and people mostly act like redditors.
There's not really a way around it though.
Happy cake day!
(Intended both warmly and ironically)
And for the parts that don't function like Reddit, it is worse.
I mean, ignoring the whole federation/syndication/self hostability/freedom/raison d'etre parts, yeah.
You could argue it was the whole point. The rest of fediverse is significantly different, and you can still interact with lemmy from there.
Don't know why you are down voted. I didn't leave reddit because I disliked the platform, I left because I disliked the leadership. Lemmy is an attempt at creating a similar platform.
You know what never develop organically? Corporate social media platforms.
I think they're referring to people casually mentioning that growth is desirable, which comes across as corpo think.
As you say, that perspective doesn't have any direct relevance, but is does have impact. For example regarding the decision to defederate from threads.
Totally with you. Just want to say that there is certain growth that comes organically that isn't necessarily desirable.
For example many subs would start out cool and informative and then as they grew it somehow attracted an idiot crowd that was only capable of sharing memes. Or they group shift into some extreme perspectives.
More diversity, More "normies"
Hearing from pooryoungmalegamerleftist#123049781234 saying the same thing as the others isn't thought provoking or constructive. I'd like to see artists, WSB degenerates, football meatheads and everything in between in comments more because like it or not, those people are experts in Something
This is the curse of a small userbase. Lemmy doesn't has a very big userbase and those are primarily the Foss loving Linux leftists, because they decided to actually invest time in this small communities. The normies are at other mainstream social media platforms like Reddit or Instagram.
Nothing. I theorize that the good people who looked at Spez with disgust left Reddit. I'd rather not have the power tripping cucks who made Reddit bad come here
I feel like the last remnants of the New Atheists have retreated onto lemmy. Often when you reference spirituality, religion, or even reflections on group dynamics and psychology that doesn't portray humans as perfectly rational self-interest decision-making machines, you get raided by these edgy "facts and logic" kids that are extremely annoying.
On reddit, they are contained in their own zoos, while here they seem to pile up even in generalist communities. It feels like 2012 all over again.
My absolute 100% main response to this topic is, by far and away, "TOO MUCH FUCKING EDGINESS". In all its forms. I say this as a staunch atheist. Get the fuck over yourself, lemmy.
Perhaps a bot to auto ban quotes from ben shapiro or jordan peterson?
Too much american spam. I do not give a shit about their election. I do not wish to interact with instances based in a country that allows war criminals to talk at its highest assembly instead of arresting him (looking at you lemmy.world)
I like news but American news is trash. I block all communities that are dedicated to US News but I'd love it if people wouldn't post US news to "world"
Yeah I've been rough, no hate towards americans. But jesus christ I don't give a shit about donald trump please leave me alone.
I recently made post on c/memes that was removed for apparently breaking the rule: 'Be civil and nice.'
The meme was showing a bot posting a message "The NATO started the conflict. Russia is simply defending against NATO imperialism." and the next poster wrote "Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe." and it ends with cupcake recipe. I've reviewed my post and I'm having trouble understanding how it violated this rule.
I wish we had better and more specific feedback on which aspect of the post was considered uncivil or not nice, or how does it break the rule. I want to ensure I understand the guidelines better for future posts.
Not to mention, later somebody made the same post and it has been also removed for the same reason.
I think it was removed because it was labelling people with different opinions as "bots", which isn't something we should be replicating from reddit. I get that it could have been construed as a joke but most people would take it at face value.
Won't you agree that the reason for removal should be more specific?
Sure, we can try to do that in the future.
I saw that post & completely disagree. The only thing uncivil about that post was removing it.
Having a culture in the first place would be a good start.
Different instances tend to have their own cultures, you might want to go instance hopping.
With this amount or active users it's not sustainable. I'm interested in broad topics and I try to chase the most active community for the topic, no matter the instance that hosts them.
The only meaningful sign of "community" I managed to identify is the tanky one, where it's palpable a radical difference with the very generic "everywhere else".
Simply, stop being dicks to each other. Politically motivated or not, a lot of people are just straight up cunts when someone says something that they don't disagree with.
I can forgive the political extremism, and being heavily biased towards Linux, but you don't need to insult anyone that's to the right of Bernie, or someone that uses Windows and is happy.
Lemmy is small enough that it cannot afford to alienate people, or afford to have a superiority complex over the likes of Reddit or Twitter. The best advert is to be a welcoming community.
Lemmy is small enough that it cannot afford to alienate people, or afford to have a superiority complex over the likes of Reddit or Twitter. The best advert is to be a welcoming community.
What do you mean by this? Lemmy doesn't need to afford anything, it's free and open source.
We need silly hats. Most human cultures throughout history had hats (or other headwear) that were unique to them, including modern ones. The human eye is naturally drawn to the faces of other humans, and headgear can be a useful shorthand for "who is this and what's their culture like?" These hats are frequently silly looking. Modern examples include baseball caps, cheese hats, military berets, helmets, cowboy hats, various religious headwear. If you want to stand out as a unified culture, you need your own hat.
I thought we'd already collectively settled on the tinfoil hat.
I wish we could have a higher level of discussion, with an expectation that claims should be supported by evidence. Less ad hominem and conspiracy theories about everyone with a different point of view being a bot. And much less "I heard someone from [group I dislike] say [comically evil thing]," being accepted purely off hearsay with no source.
I think lemmy unfortunately inherited some toxic reddit traits in that regard. If you make something up, whole cloth, that tracks with what people want to believe, you get upvoted, if you make a case with strong supporting evidence but it doesn't fit with what people want to believe, you get downvoted - it's circle-jerk-y.
Also, people just seem generally incurious about the world and it's rich, diverse history, and just want to rehash the same talking points over and over again. Too many big communities are focused on news or current events, not enough on broader historical context or philosophical discussion. I don't really want to rehash the same discussions about the US election over and over again for the thousandth time. When history is discussed, it's at a meme level, with a handful of historical events being referenced exclusively, oversimplified and weaponized to own your political opponents. The world is filled with color, depth, life, and wonder, but when site culture is so focused on scoring points, the result is everyone's too guarded and defensive to appreciate that.
I'd much rather read people randomly gushing about some special interest or rabbit hole they went down, or even just rambling thoughts about whatever, compared to the latest story about the latest thing and discussions where everyone knows where they stand based on their camp. It gets boring.
Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don't remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.
There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.
I don't want change necessarily, but a few more normies would be appreciated. I do miss things like gossiping and silly brainless celebrity news, but I have a feeling most Lemmy users are only interested in the nerd stuff. I mean, me too. Give me nerd stuff and the brainless unserious gossiping! Lol.
the first time i read it, i thought it was funny. the second time, less so. the hundreth time? yeah. i dont know if people realize it, but if you use this comment, it actually makes you look like a moron. Because all your opponent has to do to achieve that is just not following your instructions. besides: ive never seen this used against somebody who might actually be a bot, its always just somebody with different opinions.
I just wish more of the reddit escapees would understand and embrace that, technologically speaking, Lemmy is not Reddit and that this is a good thing, actually.
There will be splintered communities hosted on different servers. There will be servers that decide to defederate from each other, be it for understandable reasons or stupid ones. And you will, probably, end up having to create more than one account because of drama that had nothing to do with you.
This isn't a bug, it's a feature. For everything you lose in convenience by not having "the everything site" where you go for literally all things, you gain flexibility and freedom. If my home-instance decides it doesn't want legal trouble and bans talk of piracy... I can just get an account at one that has no such qualms. My browser/phone will remember my passwords for me.
A community's culture shifting over time is inevitable, but these newcomers seem to want to change Lemmy on a technological level, and change it in ways that would rob it of the things that make it interesting, yanno?
I also wish it'd be less US-centric around here. But I guess that is inescapable.
It's gotta be more user-friendly to regular non-tech peoples, and it has to be explained/pitched to people in a more simplified way. Also there really should be an official mobile app.
Jerboa is maintained by Lemmy devs.
Since they started blocking VPN traffic I would love it if people stopped hosting images on imgur.
What should we use?
catbox.moe
Particularly since most Lemmy instances have (IIRC) built-in image hosting (unless disabled), and there are a wide variety of alternatives as well.
It seems I often don't get stuff in my inbox that should be there. Like direct replies. But honestly, I'd also like to get notifications for sibling posts or replies to replies and so on. I just want to subscribe to that discussion.
Another thing is that sometimes eternity forgets where I was doom scrolling, and it takes me forever to get back to that point. I probably just clicked away from the feed or closed all my apps.
Edit: Maybe with a bell button. It's simple and gives control and it's okay to not use it. In the settings you can say also enable the bell when you like sum. Afaik activity pub supports granular subscribing.
I’d also like to get notifications for sibling posts or replies to replies and so on. I just want to subscribe to that discussion.
Not sure if you use RSS feeds, but you can easily get one for any Lemmy discussion and subscribe to it. Here's an RSS feed for this discussion, for example.
The Block function has been instrumental to my enjoyment of Lemmy. There's only a handful of bad actors and they're obvious when checking post history. There was even one user who was a bad actor on Reddit with literal millions of Karma who moved to Lemmy and made the front page daily with bad faith BS.
I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.
Don’t be afraid to block instances if you would like to see less politics and doom scrolling. I listen to NPR and read my local news, so I don’t need to see all that here as well. I just want gratuitous memes and good convos about nothing important with internet strangers.
There's some language features in lemmy now, but honestly country/language based servers are probably the best way, probably using a helper like we've added here.
There are a lot of country-specific servers now: feddit.it, feddit.dk, jlai.lu, lemmy.eco.br, feddit.nl, etc.
i wish people would stop complaining about leftists and linux discussion in general. i guess it makes me a hypocrite complaining about complainers but still it's annoying.
also imo lemmy is basically reddit now (with the way .world is), with all its pros and cons. you cannot replicate something's mechanisms to the tee and expect federation to somehow transform it into this otherwordly experience.
one positive thing i can say about lemmy compared to others though is that the small amount of content forces me to spend less time, and there are less reactionaries here than other places.
X men of Lemmy, what advice do you have for Y men of Lemmy?
Why not allow answers from women and for women? You already know most answers will be from and for men, why specifically exclude the least empowered amongst us? I thought I'd gotten away from that when I left reddit. We can be better.
Would love to not be in a Yankee quip chamber. I know they're everywhere but it would be nice to avoid "As an American..." comments lol
I just love it when they're talking about a subject that is demonstrably not American, like very clearly it happened in a different country and they still bring their values to it.
Usually any situation involving the police triggers this.
less politics. ive blocked like 10 political communities yet still see it all over how can people talk about this shit all day
also need more niche communities idk how to create communities on jerboa😬
If you want to create a community you need to use the web Interface of your instance. In the top bar is a button called "create community". Creating it from Jerboa directly is not possible.
Less war hawks, neoliberals, reactionary american exceptionalism from tech workers who have no idea what they're talking about except that they have money and think that gives them the privilege of opinion.
Americans assuming everyone else is from America and knows everything about America.
The American mind cannot comprehend this.
Americans can’t see this comment chain.
Edit: or should I say “Ameri-can’t see this comment chain”
But if Americans can't see this comment chain, how USA-ful is it to the discussion?
Idk I've had the impression that this is not as bad here as it was on the place that shall not be named.
It is. I still wish it "Politics" would default to WorldPolitics" and USPolitics was it's own thing, instead of the other version where Politics and News is US stuff and the general topics need the "World" prefix.
Lemmy.ml has US Politics as a comm, and World News as a comm.
Fair point.
You should ask your instance about that, bc right now it's just mirroring the US-centric reddit trend where the politics community is all just US-specific politics. Same for news, etc.
It's better than on Reddit, which was usually justified by "it's an American site", but it's definitely still here and annoying on Lemmy.world.
Well, I also have the feeling that most people here are from the U.S. or Germany. And I only identify the latter as such, because of their usernames. Not sure if I’m right, but I surely feel isolated on Lemmy at times.
Here in Europe there are a lot of country-specific instances (e.g. feddit.de or feddit.nl). I can confirm the German one has quite a lot of members and some large German subreddits moved to Lemmy when the blackout happened. Germans are quite privacy focused in general with a generally higher Firefox market share and a lot of shops only accepting cash (not proud of the latter haha)
Oh, die Bargeldsache geht mir auch auf den Sack. Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Vergangenheit gereist * g *
Fühle mich nach jedem Auslandsaufenthalt so, als wäre ich 20 Jahre in die Zukunft gereist lol
feddit.de is dead, long live feddit.org!
...ich_iel?
I’ve done my best to include °C conversions of all my °F. What more do you people want.
Since we’re here, I had covid one time and had to shop online for stuff that came in ounces, quarts, pints, and liters, and even without brain fog, I can tell you that comparing prices and sizes against apples, oranges, and furlongs (⅛ miles (≈⅕ km (but this is an argumentum ad absurdum))) is the most unsatisfying garbage that has ever been.
In conclusion,
what ifGoddidbless America?Wait we still don't have a bot for that?
Reverse for me.
Talking about an American politician.
In a thread about American politics.
In a community about American politics.
On an American instance.
Cue 200 "UGH WHY IS EVERYTHING SO AMERICA CENTRIC WHY AREN'T YOU TALKING ABOUT EEEEUUUUUURRRRROOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPE" butthurt comments.
Or just the random snarky shit they think is so clever.
"America, are you okay?" for the 500th time is not clever, just like it wasn't the first couple hundred times it's been posted.
Yeah, it's contextually appropriate most of the time. I doubt there are many American users posting American politically specific ideas on posts about non-american politics.
The only real validity to this complaint would be an overabundance of posts regarding American politics; to which I would say, down vote those and post your own. I, for one, promise not to be upset.
Honestly imo lemmites are better at this than any other social media site.
Same but with being fluent in english.
Like nobody is "dumb" for not being an expert at speaking English, let alone just speaking 😭
I make sure to list any weights and measures in both US and metric.
I also try to include a fair amount of content focused on other parts of the world.
Lemmy is small enough that even though I'm guessing it is majority US, that it is likely less US-centric than most social media. It's just good to have some stuff for everyone, and I know I like to learn about things outside my country, so I want non-US focused content myself on a regular basis.
Regarding weights and measures:
I don't think in metric, and there's a strong possibility that I never will. I came of age in an educational system that taught metric units alongside imperial, but also in a day-to-day world that heavily skews towards imperial units.
If I see metric units that I can't immediately interpret in my head, it's absolutely trivial for me to get the conversion by other means. It's equally as trivial for someone who uses metric to make the opposite conversion.
Anyone losing their shit about it is acting performatively.
The triviality is what makes me just do it myself. If I'm the one sharing something to a global audience, it makes more sense for me to do it once than to have everyone else go do it if they need to.
I was talking in another thread today, possibly one in response to this one, or at least one similar, and I basically said I want Lemmy to succeed, and my content is easy to source, but getting regular visitors and commenters is the hard part, so I'm willing to do a little pampering to positively reinforce my "guests," especially at this stage of the game. It's just some extra consideration, to show people I'm being thoughtful of them, and to make it feel like a place they can come to get facts without having to google them all the time.
My big issue with Lemmy at the moment is I think we're testing what level of civility we're willing to give to and to tolerate from others, and I don't see as many commenters being helpful to each other and I feel mods are scared to steer conversations back to more polite conduct due to the overbearing rep of Reddit mods. So I'm just trying to be the example of what I want to see. That's the real thing I'm looking to provide. The unit conversion is just a slice of that you could say.
I still have people downvote over nothing or make smartass comments occasionally, but I can't prevent it all. I'll do what I can though to make things pleasant and positive for who I can.
I agree with all you've said, and I tend to add both systems when expressing a meaningful measurement. My statement is pointed more towards situations where someone hasn't done so and it throws some poor soul into a meltdown.
Yes, it is a strange thing to make a fuss over.
The one that gets me is when people complain about paywalled articles. I agree it doesn't make sense to share one, but this is a tech savvy group here, and I kinda expect 95% of people to know how to deal with that by now. Even mainstream sites have shared how to get around that stuff long ago now.
I don't put the conversions in my comments, usually because I don't even post measurements in my comments, but if I did and got a reply asking for it, I'd tell them to go ask Google.
I think a large portion of lemmy is too focused on making lemmy popular. Fake engagement and posts that nobody cares about don’t create engagement. Instead, more focus on just enjoying lemmy would ironically lead to better posts and discussion. Likewise, people post the same articles to the same communities seeking engagement. It leads to dupilication which waters down the discussion, ironically, also leading to less engagement. I think federalised communities, as has been discussed would be a good solution. However, it strikes me that they don’t want to miss out on karma, for some reason. So, short term gain, for long term hassle of multiple posts. If some of the most prolific posters posted to the most relevant community and cross posted elsewhere, then maybe communities would coalesce more.
An example of this that really bothers me: I joined several gaming munis because I like to talk about games. But there are people out there who feel that a gaming muni should be about the games industry, and so those munis are just a constant stream of gaming news articles, patch notes, and trailers. Mostly with completely barren comment sections. What I wanted was the social experience of chatting with people about games. I don't care about (as a random example) the latest Helldivers 2 patch notes.
I think less of an emphasis on having a steady stream of content and more on only posting something that you believe is worthy of discussion would be so much better. If people want to see literally every rockpapershotgun article, they can subscribe to their RSS feed.
I try to comment on things so there is engagement and conversation. Without engagement, this is just a collection of bookmarks.
But it's kinda up to us to create that. Somehow. Sometimes even just a quip or shitpost comment can sort of open the floodgates.
The way I see it, people shouldn't post things unless they have some discussion they want to have about that thing. They shouldn't post just because it's news. I'd be fine with Lemmy having far less frequent new posts if those posts were all created by people who were legitimately trying to share something rather than just generate content.
Yeah. I find that a lot of comment sections are rather empty and some people who are there are really bad at discussions.
There's !letstalkaboutgames@feddit.uk
I joined with the Reddit exodus and there were so many communities that were a straight copy of a subreddit. No discussion, just posts - yuck.
Please yes this. It's good to see gaming related news but largely I just want to nerd out about the games themselves. Of course I should be told to just post my own damn content, but I have admittedly never been good about creating OC.
I think part of this comes from wanting a broader base of content, which I agree with. The rest seems to come from wanting the downfall of Reddit, who is in my rearview mirror so I don't care.
We are currently like old Reddit, a techy, mostly progressive, crowd. That means a lot of uni-topic content.
When there are 10,000 users, and 5 of them are into sewing, the sewing community is dead. When there are 100,000 users, and thus 50 interested in sewing, content starts to form. You can see where this goes from here.
Coalescing into massive communities is a mixed bag. Putting all your eggs in one basket makes them more vulnerable to rogue moderators, sudden loss of a server, the need to defederate if the host server gets compromised, provides a more attractive target for bots, and other bad actor things.
Yes it would improve ease of use and make Lemmy more newbie friendly, and it can be frustrating to have conversation splintered. Lots of times I'll comment on an empty story at the top of my new feed only to find a lively discussion a little lower. That's all frustrating, I agree. It's also, I think, the nature of federating.
If multiple different news communities are thriving despite posting pretty much the same content, there are reasons for that. People can pick just one to subscribe to, and they don't all pick the same one. That tells me there is something about each one that makes them attractive to different people.
I think it can really hurt smaller communities, though.
I'de love to see a bit more discussions about Linux.
Right? People hardly mention Linux 'round here lol
Seriously, I don't even know who that guy is
Tim Linux. He's a good guy.
Lol fuck off.
Might be a hot take, but Lemmy Culture is good, actually. It isn't homogenous, instances have unique cultures that might fit your needs and interests better.
I wouldn't change that, federation and defederation does bring drama, but it also brings really cool micro communities.
the absolute best thing on Lemmy is seeing someone complain about an instance that your instance defederates from
Lemmy.ml does have both advantages and disadvantages being federated with almost every major server, for sure.
I like that it is more inclusive than the DUMBster fire that is reddit.
While it is very left leaning, because the entire world is left leaning, other views so get presented and debated (and downvoted), but they are not filtered out and insta-permabanned. It is way more engaging.
this is my favorite quality of the lemmyverse; you're not required to follow the groupthink out of fear of being banned and the plethora of viewpoints guarantees that groupthink isn't as powerful as it is on reddit or twitter.
Outside of a select couple instances where even mentioning an opposing view without disgust and insults results in furious down voting, reporting, and a ban lol.
Personally I'd like to change the fact that every memes comment section is just serious conversation. Where's the whimsy, where's the tomfoolery folks
Be the silliness you want to see in the world. Start a pun thread or a switcharoo or all the things that used to make the old place fun. Lots of people will take that bait and run with it.
Thats what me and my 7 alts do
And those 7 alts has different password right? Right?
It's time to be silly then :3
Yeah. I've seen so many rabidly political responses to memes. Lighten up folks!
The smug self righteous attitudes in the comments. People here need to loosen up and stop being deathly serious about things.
It seems like everyone is here to have snarky little "I'm more right than you" arguments.
I think its a hangover from twitter, that you also see a lot in mastodon. One-upmanship seems more suited to user-following platforms where gaining social cred is more important for spreading ideas than the quality of the content.
I am extremely offended by this and you are evil for making me feel offended! How dare you! Everyone, flock to me with messages of support and shun this person for saying something so offensive!
I can't be evil I use Linux and only FOSS programs.
Yes, but how much carbon emissions were released by this comment?
I second this!
100%. People seem to be competing for some moral high ground constantly no matter where.
Hot and Active feeds pull in a lot of things that are up to 2 days old, but by 12-24 hours at the most, nearly all conversation is done. It's not nearly as rewarding to interact with posts on those feeds when so few people are even looking at them.
If everyone saw the same feeds, that might be something because maybe the conversation would continue, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case due to federation.
Its been a focus of mine to try to make lemmy's comment sorting the opposite of the reddit experience, where the highest rated comment is nearly always just the first one, making all engagement after those first few minutes pointless.
The active sort does a good job of bumping new activity on older posts (limited to 2 days) back to the top. There's also a
New Commentssort that doesn't have that 2-day limit (making it basically a forum sort), but I don't know how many people use it.Not sure what else we could do tho, the main problem is probably just the smaller number of users. Which needs to be tackled by convincing reddit communities and their mods to move them over to some lemmy instance.
More on lemmy's ranking algorithm here..
This is a great comment, thank you. Very good links.
Do you know how federation affects the sorts? I assume, based on my longer experience with Mastodon, that the All feed is actually just all of the posts that have been federated to my instance i.e. someone on my instance is subscribed to that community. So any communities no one on my server is subscribed to are invisible regardless of sort.
That implies the All feed is unique to each server, and therefore all of the sorts are also unique. Which would mean for at least a certain percentage of posts, they might be in your hot or active feeds, even though no one is really interacting with them much any more.
What do you think? Maybe it doesn't work as much like Mastodon as I think, but since it's all the same fediverse it feels like a logical assumption.
Put simply, the sorting / ranking is based on the score and the time published, so as long as things are getting federated within a few seconds, then federated posts / comments are no different from local ones. Mastodon only sorts things by newest AFAIK.
Should only be an issue if your server blocks other ones.
I think your strategy for going the opposite than reddit works quite well when it comes to comments. However, I don't think it fits so well with posts (not sure if the strategy/sorting for posts and comments use the same methods). Personally I don't feel great seeing posts older than 24 hours, especially as I have probably already seen that post. It'll just stick around for way too long.
The Hot and Scaled sort shouldn't be showing anything that old, try changing your default post sort to that for a bit.
Active will do what you're saying tho, keep bumping things.
that's why i've switched to "new"
I prefer using the "scaled" feed rather than "active". It's like active, but boosts posts from smaller communities, and seems to usually surface newer content.
This will likely be an unpopular opinion here, but if you thought reddit was politically opinionated, holy hell Lemmy is 1000 times worse. I'm left leaning myself, but the majority of the posters here make me look like a moderate. There are even times when the rhetoric I see is approaching the level of toxicity I see from right-wing internet goers.
Fewer political in general is what I want, but it would be nice to see some actual diversity of opinions. Echo chambers are good for absolutely no one.
I absolutely feel the same. Notice how you had to point out you're left leaning? That just shows how militant and aggressive Lemmy can be that you have to state that just in case.
I like Lemmy, I just wish it was a little less stubborn (and I say that as a left leaning person).
That's largely because few people choose Lemmy over Reddit for practical reasons, the real underlying reasons are generally political and ideological differences with Reddit.
The majority of Lemmy users (outside of liberal instances like Lemmy.world) are leftists of some sort, ie Marxists or Anarchists. Lemmy's federated structure and FOSS nature make it appealing to anticapitalists, and the lead devs are Marxists.
Kinda? People with strong beliefs strongly challenge different beliefs.
You're not going to find a place devoid of politics unless you make an instance banning all talk, and even then people will dance around the subject. Everything is political.
As for "echo-chambers," I actually disagree. As a Marxist, I have far more productive conversations with other Marxists about Marxism than I do with liberals. Diverse thoughts don't necessarily mean productive conversations.
I feel most of the extreme views can be moderated with a ban list of several instances (notably hexbear and lemmygrad) and several individuals. The toxicity of the discourse lowers drastically.
I tend to tag users that seem disingenuously pushing agendas, and if they persist in that consequently they go on the ban list.
That improved my experience by miles and made clear that the group of people doing this is actually quite marginal.
I wish people would stop treating people from instances as a monolith.
This coming from a tan--- oh. Yah.
Haha got a giggle out of me.
Folks also often confuse lemmy.ml with lemmygrad.ml
Especially lemmy.ml users.
I'd like to see fewer angry communists. Regular communists don't bother me, but don't be so aggressive about it.
Where are you finding non-angry Communists, except in Communist spaces where we don't have to argue with liberals all the time?
Not on Lemmy, hence it's what I'd like to change.
Hexbear.net is generally pretty happy until a liberal walks in.
happier communists? do you mean slrpnk.net?
Eh, solarpunk itself is an aesthetic, not an ideology. As such, like cottagecore and other aesthetics without ideological backing, there does exist a subset of ecofascists and ecofascist adjacent ideologies.
Hexbear.net fits "happy communists" better.
disagreed! there is an aesthetic but there is also separately an ideology, and ecofascism is certainly not welcome on (e.g.) slrpnk.net. solarpunk as an ideological movement is essentially climate-focused indigenous futurism with an anarcho-socialist bend
That's not a coherent ideology, that's an aesthetic pulled from a ghibli-inspired milk commercial, which again reveals how an aesthetic can get taken advantage of by right-wing interests if there is no strong ideological framework.
There's no call to action, no theory to set to praxis. There is a goal, but no method to get there. Like all such movements, its doomed to fail the way the Owenites did.
I love environmentalism and solar energy, veganism and self-sustainability. However, solarpunk as an encompassing "movement" is not the path there, as it's an aesthetic.
This is written like someone that hasn't kept up with solarpunk since that commercial came out.
What theory and praxis has come out since then?
Idk why you think it has to have theory or praxis to be a movement. It does have a manifesto but I kinda doubt you care about that. There's enough people that are interested in the topics that solarpunk encompasses to give it legitimacy.
Tbh your position is kinda disenfranchising to people that got into gardening, anti consumption, diy, gurilla grafting or any other facet of solarpunk because of it being under the umbrella.
I was interested, actually. I read through it, a lot of things people say they stand for and against, and what types of art styles they like and envision, but no actual theory or praxis behind it.
I already stated why it needs a strong ideological backbone to avoid being taken advantage of by ecofascists, but I'll restate it: bad actors can and will use the aesthetic to push alternative messaging, just like what already happened to cottagecore.
Those are certainly good things, I never stated that Solarpunk is only "bad," in fact I think many good things have come from it. However, to paint it as a place of "happy communists" when there have been ecofascists using it to push their messaging, is a bit off, hence why I pointed it out and explained my issues with it overall.
I've not been aware of ecofascist cooping the movement. But I imagine the vegan mods would sus that out quickly 😜
I suppose my point is that a movement doesn't have to know everything about itself to be effective and while anecdotal; I've learned a lot about communism/socialism and mutual aid from solarpunk spaces.
Not saying the Solarpunk community on Lemmy definitely has it, but it is a problem with the "movement" itself overall, like all aesthetic-movements do.
That's a good thing! I would still try to learn and read Theory outside of a solarpunk context though.
I've picked up Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin at the request of a comrade at our mutual aid organization. But I still don't think you understand that Solarpunk is a point of intersection to extend a post scarcity, environmental sustainability and social justice to people that are less aware of these concepts.
If it doesn't have ideas and it isn't testing those ideas through social practice it isn't a movement?
Except movements are rarely focused like that. I doubt The Black Panthers knew school lunches and child care were going to be the traction they needed when they started theirs. Just like I doubt the kid that just heard of solarpunk and wants to learn how to grow veggies because of it, understands what their effort might do to change their community.
I'll admit solarpunk is very much in a spaghetti on the wall phase rn. But it's also barely a decade old.
Incorrect, the Black Panther Party was Marxist-Leninist and was attempting to build up a vanguard party, and a part of that theory is building up dual power and parallel structures to fold the public in and garner support.
Effective political action is focused and intentional. The BPP had a plan. There is no central solarpunk organ for democratic decision making, there is no party program. They have nothing that would make them an effective org.
you're welcome to check out solarpunk thought leaders like andrewism! though i have to admit i doubt anything anywhere will ever meet your standards
Stop needlessly shitring on Windows, iOS and MacOS.
Recently there was a post about Wallmart blocking privacy features on iOS when connected to their wifi.
And the comments spoke about how if you are using Apple, you should not expect privacy anyway, implying that Android is a bastion of privacy. Which tunred into an annoying thread and deflected critisism from Wallmart.
I have seen other threads when people are asking for help with Windows or Mac OS issues and the comments talk about how Linux is much better.
That is kinda like, asking your friends for help after spraining your ancle, and them suggesting amputating the entrie leg replacing it with a far more powerful cybernetic robot leg, that doesn't help you.
I am an IT guy, I just want my computer to work and let me game, manage and edit photos, watch videos, and listen to music, my current Windows 10 machine works fine for me.
I don't want to tinker when I am home, I have tinkered enough at work managing 365, reading logs, writing scripts and pulling cables.
When I feel that Linux is working well enough, I will switch, but that is up to me, I am not interested in how I can configure my computer to my exact specification, I want a decent computer that I can run the same install on for 6-7 years with updates before upgrading or reinstalling. So far has Windows provided that, Linux has not, I have dailied both.
Sorry for the rant...
My lemmy experience got so much better when I blocked any community that talked almost exclusively about anything linux related.
Same here
Lol fuck windows
I doubt you'll enjoy the experience....
They paywalled my condom so I had to raw dog
Huh
Something I like about lemmy is that I can pick out this comment (or a sub comment) and sort by controversial.
Popcorn time - Upvotes all round!
I'd love people on Limmy would quit posting links to Reddit.
I'd love people on Reddit would start posting links to Lemmy
fewer reposts from reddit, fewer reddit copycat communities, fewer redditors.
100%. I don’t know why people, who are presumably banned from Reddit or left Reddit for reasons, want bring over the same garbage they left for.
More witty and funny answers in the comment section. Out of thousands of commenters you could get a few gems that make you 'spit your coffee at the screen, goddamn you'.
Just put a lot of salt in your coffee. Problem solved.
Right now, Lemmy seems very tech-focused - which is understandable, as it's mostly tech geeks that use this platform. I'd like to see a wider variety of interests here, more things outside of technology/Linux/Star Trek/etc.
If we want Lemmy to become more popular, we need to appeal to the mainstream Internet users.
It's the inverse that is true actually -
As Lemmy becomes more popular it will drift from being so tech focused.
Many popular sites gradually drifted off of tech focus as their user base grew. R*ddit is a prime example of how a very nerdy niche site grew and shifted to be popular (sorta) organically.
I do think that for all the hullabaloo about Ellen Pao and banning a bunch of subreddits - that actually did more to open the place up to users who were otherwise driven away by /r/FatPeopleHate and /r/Jailbait being on the front page all the time.
If Lemmy were to change to attract users it would likely be from increased defederation with instances that are less palatable to mainstream society.
I think an important step to making Lemmy more popular is making sure it actually shows up in search engines. I don't know enough to say how though
The objective ought to be more engagement, not more users.
If lemmy goes from 200 posts about Linux a day to a thousand posts about Linux a day, I will leave. Fuck that shit
Hey, good to see you here.
I was thinking about it the other day, I feel like the vast majority of Internet users are now on Facebook/Instagram/Tiktok/Twitter/Discord depending on their age and demographics.
Text-based forums are probably not appealing to most of them
That's a good point.
HackerNews has one of the best downvoting rules I've ever seen - you can't downvote someone replying to you. I think that simple change massively changes the way karma works.
They also arbitrarily don't allow you to reply to lots which is annoying. I often have follow-up questions (legit ones, not comebacks or other crap) that I can't do anything about :(
But I agree, its generally terrible etiquette to downvote something someone has contributed to you if its goodfaith and also, assuming your thing is visible people are gonna see it and your interests are linked so its just silly, bottom-line
Let their compatriotd be their downvotes
Low-karma accounts are rate-limited. I don't know what the threshold is, but that goes away after you gain some karma.
Stop using giant catchall instances and switch to a smaller instance that's more suited to you.
One of the major advantages of a federated system is that it doesn't really matter which instance you use. There's no real advantage to using a larger instance, and in fact there's several disadvantages as the large instances can be slower, maintenance can take longer, it's more expensive to run the servers, etc.
One of the reasons people moved away from Reddit was to avoid one company (Reddit) and especially one person (the Reddit CEO) having control over the whole thing. Using a huge Lemmy server kinda defeats the point of switching across.
You might find this interesting.
It's a natural phenomena and we'd have to actively counter it if you want to equally distribute activity across instances.
The fact that it's mostly like Reddit and people mostly act like redditors.
There's not really a way around it though.
Happy cake day!
(Intended both warmly and ironically)
And for the parts that don't function like Reddit, it is worse.
I mean, ignoring the whole federation/syndication/self hostability/freedom/raison d'etre parts, yeah.
You could argue it was the whole point. The rest of fediverse is significantly different, and you can still interact with lemmy from there.
Don't know why you are down voted. I didn't leave reddit because I disliked the platform, I left because I disliked the leadership. Lemmy is an attempt at creating a similar platform.
I want less big general instances, and more small niche ones like StarTrek.website or MTGzone.com.
lemmyworld and lemmyml must burn
What are the differences if you come come from one instance or the other and why those 2 in particular should burn?
Lemmy.world is overwhelmingly Liberal (think Reddit 2), Lemmy.ml is largely Marxist, plus FOSS and Privacy enthusiasts.
I assume they believe that as large, catch-all instances, they are slowing growth of smaller, more niche interests.
Me too, I'm working on encouraging it. Progress is slow.
I’d love it if we let it develop organically.
In what way(s) is it not doing precisely that?
You know what never develop organically? Corporate social media platforms.
I think they're referring to people casually mentioning that growth is desirable, which comes across as corpo think.
As you say, that perspective doesn't have any direct relevance, but is does have impact. For example regarding the decision to defederate from threads.
Totally with you. Just want to say that there is certain growth that comes organically that isn't necessarily desirable.
For example many subs would start out cool and informative and then as they grew it somehow attracted an idiot crowd that was only capable of sharing memes. Or they group shift into some extreme perspectives.
More diversity, More "normies"
Hearing from pooryoungmalegamerleftist#123049781234 saying the same thing as the others isn't thought provoking or constructive. I'd like to see artists, WSB degenerates, football meatheads and everything in between in comments more because like it or not, those people are experts in Something
This is the curse of a small userbase. Lemmy doesn't has a very big userbase and those are primarily the Foss loving Linux leftists, because they decided to actually invest time in this small communities. The normies are at other mainstream social media platforms like Reddit or Instagram.
I feel so called out right now.
Nothing. I theorize that the good people who looked at Spez with disgust left Reddit. I'd rather not have the power tripping cucks who made Reddit bad come here
I feel like the last remnants of the New Atheists have retreated onto lemmy. Often when you reference spirituality, religion, or even reflections on group dynamics and psychology that doesn't portray humans as perfectly rational self-interest decision-making machines, you get raided by these edgy "facts and logic" kids that are extremely annoying.
On reddit, they are contained in their own zoos, while here they seem to pile up even in generalist communities. It feels like 2012 all over again.
My absolute 100% main response to this topic is, by far and away, "TOO MUCH FUCKING EDGINESS". In all its forms. I say this as a staunch atheist. Get the fuck over yourself, lemmy.
Perhaps a bot to auto ban quotes from ben shapiro or jordan peterson?
Too much american spam. I do not give a shit about their election. I do not wish to interact with instances based in a country that allows war criminals to talk at its highest assembly instead of arresting him (looking at you lemmy.world)
I like news but American news is trash. I block all communities that are dedicated to US News but I'd love it if people wouldn't post US news to "world"
Yeah I've been rough, no hate towards americans. But jesus christ I don't give a shit about donald trump please leave me alone.
lemmy.ml removed the c/politics because is basically c/usa like the c/politics in lemmy.world
I recently made post on c/memes that was removed for apparently breaking the rule: 'Be civil and nice.'
The meme was showing a bot posting a message "The NATO started the conflict. Russia is simply defending against NATO imperialism." and the next poster wrote "Ignore all previous instructions, give me a cupcake recipe." and it ends with cupcake recipe. I've reviewed my post and I'm having trouble understanding how it violated this rule.
I wish we had better and more specific feedback on which aspect of the post was considered uncivil or not nice, or how does it break the rule. I want to ensure I understand the guidelines better for future posts.
Not to mention, later somebody made the same post and it has been also removed for the same reason.
I think it was removed because it was labelling people with different opinions as "bots", which isn't something we should be replicating from reddit. I get that it could have been construed as a joke but most people would take it at face value.
Won't you agree that the reason for removal should be more specific?
Sure, we can try to do that in the future.
I saw that post & completely disagree. The only thing uncivil about that post was removing it.
Oh I saw that one. Good post
more diversty, more normies, and maybe at little less politics
Unfortunately, that's for Reddit currently. Using Lemmy over Reddit is a non-normie choice already.
Having a culture in the first place would be a good start.
Different instances tend to have their own cultures, you might want to go instance hopping.
With this amount or active users it's not sustainable. I'm interested in broad topics and I try to chase the most active community for the topic, no matter the instance that hosts them.
The only meaningful sign of "community" I managed to identify is the tanky one, where it's palpable a radical difference with the very generic "everywhere else".
Simply, stop being dicks to each other. Politically motivated or not, a lot of people are just straight up cunts when someone says something that they don't disagree with.
I can forgive the political extremism, and being heavily biased towards Linux, but you don't need to insult anyone that's to the right of Bernie, or someone that uses Windows and is happy.
Lemmy is small enough that it cannot afford to alienate people, or afford to have a superiority complex over the likes of Reddit or Twitter. The best advert is to be a welcoming community.
What do you mean by this? Lemmy doesn't need to afford anything, it's free and open source.
We need silly hats. Most human cultures throughout history had hats (or other headwear) that were unique to them, including modern ones. The human eye is naturally drawn to the faces of other humans, and headgear can be a useful shorthand for "who is this and what's their culture like?" These hats are frequently silly looking. Modern examples include baseball caps, cheese hats, military berets, helmets, cowboy hats, various religious headwear. If you want to stand out as a unified culture, you need your own hat.
I thought we'd already collectively settled on the tinfoil hat.
We like to emulate Reddit for no good reason
I wish we could have a higher level of discussion, with an expectation that claims should be supported by evidence. Less ad hominem and conspiracy theories about everyone with a different point of view being a bot. And much less "I heard someone from [group I dislike] say [comically evil thing]," being accepted purely off hearsay with no source.
I think lemmy unfortunately inherited some toxic reddit traits in that regard. If you make something up, whole cloth, that tracks with what people want to believe, you get upvoted, if you make a case with strong supporting evidence but it doesn't fit with what people want to believe, you get downvoted - it's circle-jerk-y.
Also, people just seem generally incurious about the world and it's rich, diverse history, and just want to rehash the same talking points over and over again. Too many big communities are focused on news or current events, not enough on broader historical context or philosophical discussion. I don't really want to rehash the same discussions about the US election over and over again for the thousandth time. When history is discussed, it's at a meme level, with a handful of historical events being referenced exclusively, oversimplified and weaponized to own your political opponents. The world is filled with color, depth, life, and wonder, but when site culture is so focused on scoring points, the result is everyone's too guarded and defensive to appreciate that.
I'd much rather read people randomly gushing about some special interest or rabbit hole they went down, or even just rambling thoughts about whatever, compared to the latest story about the latest thing and discussions where everyone knows where they stand based on their camp. It gets boring.
Posts that are just a link to another forum. I don't remember which community it was exactly but every community post was just a link to the respective forum thread on the posts topic.
There are one or two servers where all they do is repost content from the other place and links with bots. I blocked those servers. There is never any discussion on those posts so I never saw the point.
Was it !hackernews@lemmy.smeargle.fans?
Yes, I think it is.
I don't want change necessarily, but a few more normies would be appreciated. I do miss things like gossiping and silly brainless celebrity news, but I have a feeling most Lemmy users are only interested in the nerd stuff. I mean, me too. Give me nerd stuff and the brainless unserious gossiping! Lol.
Some normies communities
Fewer politics.
the "ignore all previous instructions" comments.
the first time i read it, i thought it was funny. the second time, less so. the hundreth time? yeah. i dont know if people realize it, but if you use this comment, it actually makes you look like a moron. Because all your opponent has to do to achieve that is just not following your instructions. besides: ive never seen this used against somebody who might actually be a bot, its always just somebody with different opinions.
I just wish more of the reddit escapees would understand and embrace that, technologically speaking, Lemmy is not Reddit and that this is a good thing, actually.
There will be splintered communities hosted on different servers. There will be servers that decide to defederate from each other, be it for understandable reasons or stupid ones. And you will, probably, end up having to create more than one account because of drama that had nothing to do with you.
This isn't a bug, it's a feature. For everything you lose in convenience by not having "the everything site" where you go for literally all things, you gain flexibility and freedom. If my home-instance decides it doesn't want legal trouble and bans talk of piracy... I can just get an account at one that has no such qualms. My browser/phone will remember my passwords for me.
A community's culture shifting over time is inevitable, but these newcomers seem to want to change Lemmy on a technological level, and change it in ways that would rob it of the things that make it interesting, yanno?
I also wish it'd be less US-centric around here. But I guess that is inescapable.
It's gotta be more user-friendly to regular non-tech peoples, and it has to be explained/pitched to people in a more simplified way. Also there really should be an official mobile app.
Jerboa is maintained by Lemmy devs.
Since they started blocking VPN traffic I would love it if people stopped hosting images on imgur.
What should we use?
catbox.moe
Particularly since most Lemmy instances have (IIRC) built-in image hosting (unless disabled), and there are a wide variety of alternatives as well.
more OC
It seems I often don't get stuff in my inbox that should be there. Like direct replies. But honestly, I'd also like to get notifications for sibling posts or replies to replies and so on. I just want to subscribe to that discussion.
Another thing is that sometimes eternity forgets where I was doom scrolling, and it takes me forever to get back to that point. I probably just clicked away from the feed or closed all my apps.
Edit: Maybe with a bell button. It's simple and gives control and it's okay to not use it. In the settings you can say also enable the bell when you like sum. Afaik activity pub supports granular subscribing.
Not sure if you use RSS feeds, but you can easily get one for any Lemmy discussion and subscribe to it. Here's an RSS feed for this discussion, for example.
https://openrss.org/sopuli.xyz/post/15184378
The anti-Americanism. We are not all the same.
It's more anti-America than anti-American.
Still, dogmatism in any form is a plague. Pro Americanism, anti Americanism, whatever. Ignoring facts to suit your chosen narrative is gross.
Who says people are ignoring facts in order to have a strong stance?
Me? Just now?
Ban obvious actors Mods stop being little bitches
That would clean things up nicely
The Block function has been instrumental to my enjoyment of Lemmy. There's only a handful of bad actors and they're obvious when checking post history. There was even one user who was a bad actor on Reddit with literal millions of Karma who moved to Lemmy and made the front page daily with bad faith BS.
I would love to stop seeing posts in other languages pop up in my feed constantly - just some type of feature to help organize the languages of each instance a bit better.
Don’t be afraid to block instances if you would like to see less politics and doom scrolling. I listen to NPR and read my local news, so I don’t need to see all that here as well. I just want gratuitous memes and good convos about nothing important with internet strangers.
There's some language features in lemmy now, but honestly country/language based servers are probably the best way, probably using a helper like we've added here.
There are a lot of country-specific servers now: feddit.it, feddit.dk, jlai.lu, lemmy.eco.br, feddit.nl, etc.
i wish people would stop complaining about leftists and linux discussion in general. i guess it makes me a hypocrite complaining about complainers but still it's annoying.
also imo lemmy is basically reddit now (with the way .world is), with all its pros and cons. you cannot replicate something's mechanisms to the tee and expect federation to somehow transform it into this otherwordly experience.
one positive thing i can say about lemmy compared to others though is that the small amount of content forces me to spend less time, and there are less reactionaries here than other places.
X men of Lemmy, what advice do you have for Y men of Lemmy?
Why not allow answers from women and for women? You already know most answers will be from and for men, why specifically exclude the least empowered amongst us? I thought I'd gotten away from that when I left reddit. We can be better.
Would love to not be in a Yankee quip chamber. I know they're everywhere but it would be nice to avoid "As an American..." comments lol
I just love it when they're talking about a subject that is demonstrably not American, like very clearly it happened in a different country and they still bring their values to it.
Usually any situation involving the police triggers this.
less politics. ive blocked like 10 political communities yet still see it all over how can people talk about this shit all day
also need more niche communities idk how to create communities on jerboa😬
If you want to create a community you need to use the web Interface of your instance. In the top bar is a button called "create community". Creating it from Jerboa directly is not possible.
I'd really like to see more discussion about Linux.
(I'd put a /s, though I personally wouldn't actually mind it, but here's the /s)
lemmy.world has a massive Zionism problem. Most people appear unable to handle any criticism of their cult.
0 tolerance policy for Marxists? Looks like a welcoming space for anti-Marxists. Who hates Marxists the most? Fascists.
It's only happened every time, maybe next time things will be different?
Less war hawks, neoliberals, reactionary american exceptionalism from tech workers who have no idea what they're talking about except that they have money and think that gives them the privilege of opinion.