Almost every time, even when it's something I'm a SME about. I just don't want to play the popularity/karma game and deal with nonsense.
I used to think that Reddit was the worst about that but Lemmy has topped it. Reddit would be filled with comments from people that were off about something small that I’m a SME about. People on Lemmy like to engage in entire comment chains that are just flat out wrong that they’re confidently incorrect about.
And you get shouted down for trying to correct them. I generally prefer to just lurk here, discussion is near impossible.
Consider that your target audience for this question might inherently have difficulty answering this.
50% of th...ah, fuck it.
I’ve been on the internet long enough I can have the entire argument with myself at this point. I’ve taken to just posting what I want and forgetting about it. They can’t all be bangers.
I just deleted four paragraphs about Batman and the ethics of murder because I realized I didn't actually want to argue with anyone, I was just soapboxing. And it would definitely start an argument.
You know, we could use a soapbox community. No replies, just text posts. I could definitely post a couple of my own.
You would surely get meta posters directly or indirectly addressing other posts lol
Today on my soapbox, all the reasons IronKrill is wrong about what they said yesterday. I will ignore all questions ir rebuttals.
That's when you post anyway and add in "I will not be taking any questions."
Stick to your word, ignore replies if you don't even care what other people have to say in response.
Fuck it, soap box anyway. It's a neat way to catalog your thoughts and opinions, like having a journal or blog where the subjects are informed by what you're commenting on.
Would have been great if no one replied to this post.
Find myself reiterating something that was already said. Arguing a point nobody cares about. Entering a discussion that I know will not go my way regardless of what info I provide, because even Lemmy has a Hive Mind sometimes and doesn’t like dissent. Realizing half way through writing it that I don’t really know enough about the subject and should just shut up. Or maybe I just think my comment won’t offer anything that contributes to the discussion.
So. Often. At least twice a day.
I often type and then realize I'm not really adding anything to the discussion. Then I just discard it.
Other times I realize I'm not adding anything and hit Reply anyway. Like right now!
I can mindlessly reply no problem. But in the few times I've stopped myself from replying, I've asked, "will this post and potential replies bring me any value, be it educational, entertaining or similar?"
That's me when I'm tipsy and writing a cynic comment!
yea, same
Less here, way more often on Reddit. Here is nicer to have conversations.
No, it's not!!!
I came here for an argument! Oh sorry, this is abuse.
I post about 1/20th of the replies i write.
This sounds about right. I have an emotional response to something, feel I have something to add, and start banging out a wall of text.
Then I reread it for errors before I post and just think "nobody needs to see this" and delete it.
2nd
Same, I probably delete 80% of replies I start.
Often but not as often as I used to on Reddit. On Lemmy, I do feel more of a sense that I can contribute to the conversation and hopefully will be met with more respect than the other place.
We’re building the kind of community we want. I want to be interacting with engaged and respectful people, so I’m trying to be the same. Feels like more ownership, Yknow?
You're lucky I'm even responding to this. That's how often.
(furiously clicks to delete the partially written answer)
I think of this as like reddit ptsd. People on lemmy have generally been unexpectedly level headed when disagreeing on things.
I only really started doing it here, but then again my posting habits completely changed too
The older I get, the fewer fucks I give. I still give fucks, just not as much.
All the time. I just did it right now because I don't want to fight about what I was going to say. Sigh.
Tl;Dr lemmy isn't that different than reddit... still lots of jerks.
At least it's a different flavor of jerk
Is it though?
A lot. I start typing then stop, physically remove my hands from the keyboard and remind myself that A) arguing on the internet never convinced anyone of anything and B) it will make me feel worse, not better.
Sometimes it does. But look, I'm not here to convince you...
I have done this for years starting with emails. I find typing out the reply helps me more than actually sending it.
Very often, and it doesn't help that my replies tend to be absurdly long
Towards the end, I either realize that what I want to say has already been said by someone, the argument isn't worth it (like you said), or what's on my mind really isn't worth bothering other people over.
⠀
You cheeky little bugger you! *shakes stick*
A lot of the time. Sometimes I even do research to back up my argument then I realize it’s not worth it.
If you already went through the trouble of collecting facts and have the nerves, go for it. There are too many idiots filling the comment sections of most social media platforms. Don't let them be the only ones who are being heard / read. We need more of those usually silent people speaking up.
Just did this and I decided to let it go. Stupid online argument brain...
For me it's not the realization that the argument isn't very good is the realization that what I'm about to say isn't very interesting.
Me too: except on this occasion, I often go to reply "wow me too!" or whatever, then I see the upvote/like button with the number next to it representing how many people have probably read and thought the same thing, then I just click on that instead.
I don't argue. I just state my case. It's up to the other guy to get offended and defensive.
Same
Well, fuck you!
You know, I typed out a very well thought-out, documented reply, I scoured entire libraries to bring you wisdom,... I see now how foolish that was. You're just like every other lemming
Are you joking? If you're joking, it's a good one.
Because I was joking...
I guess most see it as a bad thing. As waste, or resignation. But here's the good story!
It can be a fruitful inner dialogue. While writing the comment, you engage with the topic, which changes your mind. That's a healthy and good thing! If in the end, your result is "I'd rather not post that, because ...", then this reason is the insight you gained by writing that comment.
Sometimes I realize flaws in my reasoning this way. And I'm happy to catch them! Imagine if it was not asynchronous written conversation, but real time face to face.
Of course there are many reasons to delete a draft. If it's mostly insecurity, I'd encourage people to give it a try. Experiences are what bring you forward, and if it's only to learn what not to repeat in the future.
I almost deleted the last paragraph.
50% of the time, i comment every time.
All the time, and on multiple social networks. I’ll write up a whole post just to consider the responses then delete it without posting.
I get what I wanted to say out of my system, and get no replies to deal with.
More times than not. Arguing on the internet is like mud wrestling with a pig.
Rarely. If I've put in the effort to jot down whatever bollocks I've come up with - it's going out.
Sometimes I can be pretty mean and stubborn in real life, so I actively try to not bring that here.
I gave up on Internet arguments a while back, felt like I was getting too old. Most of us are grown ups here, so we should all act like grown ups here.
More often than not.
Wonder how many replies were deleted here before posting
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This post would have like 1000 comments if we all hit send
I often will do this. At the end of writing a comment I ask myself "is my desire to comment satisfied by writing this comment, is it more about me writing it than other people reading it, is the response to the comment more likely to bring bain than joy?" The answers often lead me to just closing the comment page rather than posting it, and I feel fine about that.
All the time, my friend, all the time.
yes
i wish we could disable inbox replies on here
I
ಠ_ಠ
Not often enough
Lurker here, wanted to chime in to say yeah, all the time. Everything's usually been said or will be said, so why bother. And arguing with strangers online rarely amounts to anything constructive. It seems a lot of people just aren't open to change or have their opinion/biases changed or challenged, though I'm hoping I'm wrong!
And then there's those times when you wrote a reply that you realize kinda sucks or has an error and the person replies before you can fix/delete it!
"Santa doesn't exist!!"
Oh shit, they meant "Salma as in Salma Hayek."
Almost always lately, I don't even fini
Maybe 30% of the time.
Som
Not worth the stress. I mostly only post now if my comment is helpful (like someone is asking a question and I know the answer) or I'm posting something positive. I learned not to get into it with folks. I do not post in political or news or opinionated areas, and mostly stopped reading them. Someone always has the opposite opinion, and instead of being kind about it, they snipe and snark (you're lucky if you get just that!)
I find I start replies only to eventually abandon them as "just not worth it" more and more nowadays.
I almost always post the reply. But, if it's "not worth it" I just put in very, very low effort. Keep responding, but make it clear you're putting in very little effort. Like letting a boxer punch themselves out. Just laugh at how they keep going. It's pretty entertaining sometimes.
I find it more common to do this for replies to my comments. I'm far more likely to post a first comment in a thread, but if someone has some disagreeing reply, the odds I'll say "fuck it, I don't care" is a lot, lot higher.
I do it constantly on Lemmy and constantly in my inner voice throughout the day.
Most of the time while I'm writing a reply or comment it I think about how it benefits the user I'm responding to/what reponses I will get and how to minimize any confusion. Once those thoughts have entered my mind, I rarely click the button to post it.
Yes
Sometimes
I just don’t check replies to everything I write. I’m not trying to go back and forth for days. But ya, I delete quite a few drafts.
Very often, especially cause I don't want to stir shirt with my controversial takes, and can't be bothered to follow on lengthy arguments.
Maybe 1-2 times a day I start a comment, I average a comment a week.
1:10
About 1% of the time
Often enough, which I view as a flaw from myself.
I often delete my comments while repeating to myself the mantra of the wiseman on the mountain.
like 60% of time, sometimes because I think 'Maybe I'm wrong' sometimes because I think 'If I start an argument I'll have to reply or else It's gonna be a lame start by me', so If I reply I must reply, and I'm lazy so I end up thinking I better keep my word to myself.
Probably 80% of the time
I don't know, it's not worth it to count.
8/10 replies
So often
Mostly I type the way I speak, which tends to ramble a lot. One time forever ago someone on Reddit gave me shit and asked if I was not a native English speaker (aw, I sure do miss reddit!). Since then, I largely delete my comments because I'm sensitive about sounding wrong/stupid.
At least once a day.
You did this just for funny replies, didn't you?
Honestly, I just made a post on conservative, the usual peanut gallery showed up. I wanted to reply to them all, didn't because I didn't want the arguments, and realized I've been doing it a lot lately.
About 25% of the time I will start writing a comment only to find that I don’t think my argument is compelling enough, or otherwise is not something I feel makes a good point.
Not this time.
Pretty much all the time, I'll write out really long diatribes, clearly explaining my position, backed up with research, and then
Then what? Don't leave us hanging!
I was gonna write a really long diatribe explaining my position backed up with research, and then I got high
Not o
A lot. I’m self-aware enough to know that I have a huge hangup about “correctness” and “accuracy”. If someone makes claims, I want to see their evidence and I want to know how their evidence supports their claim. Unfortunately, with some people, they don’t understand what evidence is, they don’t care if other evidence disproves what they’re saying, and nothing I ask or say will suddenly cause them to respond in good faith. In those cases, but not all, I just drop it and delete my comments. It happens all the time and it’s always worth it.
Way more if I'm on my phone and it's a bad autocorrect day.
Not often enough.
I should do it much more often
Too many times.
I've gotten pretty good at not writing them to begin with these days, usually. Sometimes I want to argue and fight <_<
All the time If my reply contains an opinion, whether on politics, tech, or cheese, someone will attack.
Regularly. I probably don't post more than 10-15% of the comments I type out
Quite a lot. Im not going to change anyone's mind.
That is what I do almost exclusively on Twitter - nobody is there for thoughtful and meaningful discussion, it's all propaganda and robots.
Like 85% of the time
It is usually not worth the argument if your goal is to persuade the person you are arguing with but it could be useful for persuading others that arent directly involved. If others have already taken a baseball bat to this person's argument or worst case scenario, it turns out the comment section very thoroughly agrees with them and shows no signs that they can be reasoned with, I won't bother.
Less often than I really should.
Never, the argument is always worth it. I mostly got time to call someone out on their bullshit/bad joke/ misinformation post
Not as often as I should.
There are just so many important things that need to be said though, especially these days.
Well I think... Never mind
A lot. I more conservative and vote Republican, so you can imagine the shit I have to read every day on Lemmy and Reddit...it's like a 24/7 hate fest for the Right. So, when I start to respond to something negative about Republicans..I just say forget...I'll just be down voted to hell, banned, cussed at...etc...
Probably 95% of the time, honestly.
Almost every time, even when it's something I'm a SME about. I just don't want to play the popularity/karma game and deal with nonsense.
I used to think that Reddit was the worst about that but Lemmy has topped it. Reddit would be filled with comments from people that were off about something small that I’m a SME about. People on Lemmy like to engage in entire comment chains that are just flat out wrong that they’re confidently incorrect about.
And you get shouted down for trying to correct them. I generally prefer to just lurk here, discussion is near impossible.
What is an SME?
Subject matter expert
Ah ok, thanks! Figured it had something to do with "expert" but I couldn't figure it out.
Based on comments above - I’m confident SME stands for “Seinfeld Management Explainer”
Consider that your target audience for this question might inherently have difficulty answering this.
50% of th...ah, fuck it.
I’ve been on the internet long enough I can have the entire argument with myself at this point. I’ve taken to just posting what I want and forgetting about it. They can’t all be bangers.
I disagree.
I AGREE!
I could go either way
I almost didn't even post this response.
I just deleted four paragraphs about Batman and the ethics of murder because I realized I didn't actually want to argue with anyone, I was just soapboxing. And it would definitely start an argument.
You know, we could use a soapbox community. No replies, just text posts. I could definitely post a couple of my own.
You would surely get meta posters directly or indirectly addressing other posts lol
Today on my soapbox, all the reasons IronKrill is wrong about what they said yesterday. I will ignore all questions ir rebuttals.
That's when you post anyway and add in "I will not be taking any questions."
Stick to your word, ignore replies if you don't even care what other people have to say in response.
Fuck it, soap box anyway. It's a neat way to catalog your thoughts and opinions, like having a journal or blog where the subjects are informed by what you're commenting on.
Would have been great if no one replied to this post.
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All. The. Fucking. Time.
3 out of 4 times?
Find myself reiterating something that was already said. Arguing a point nobody cares about. Entering a discussion that I know will not go my way regardless of what info I provide, because even Lemmy has a Hive Mind sometimes and doesn’t like dissent. Realizing half way through writing it that I don’t really know enough about the subject and should just shut up. Or maybe I just think my comment won’t offer anything that contributes to the discussion.
So. Often. At least twice a day.
I often type and then realize I'm not really adding anything to the discussion. Then I just discard it.
Other times I realize I'm not adding anything and hit Reply anyway. Like right now!
I can mindlessly reply no problem. But in the few times I've stopped myself from replying, I've asked, "will this post and potential replies bring me any value, be it educational, entertaining or similar?"
That's me when I'm tipsy and writing a cynic comment!
yea, same
Less here, way more often on Reddit. Here is nicer to have conversations.
No, it's not!!!
I came here for an argument! Oh sorry, this is abuse.
I post about 1/20th of the replies i write.
This sounds about right. I have an emotional response to something, feel I have something to add, and start banging out a wall of text.
Then I reread it for errors before I post and just think "nobody needs to see this" and delete it.
2nd
Same, I probably delete 80% of replies I start.
Often but not as often as I used to on Reddit. On Lemmy, I do feel more of a sense that I can contribute to the conversation and hopefully will be met with more respect than the other place.
We’re building the kind of community we want. I want to be interacting with engaged and respectful people, so I’m trying to be the same. Feels like more ownership, Yknow?
You're lucky I'm even responding to this. That's how often.
(furiously clicks to delete the partially written answer)
I think of this as like reddit ptsd. People on lemmy have generally been unexpectedly level headed when disagreeing on things.
I only really started doing it here, but then again my posting habits completely changed too
The older I get, the fewer fucks I give. I still give fucks, just not as much.
All the time. I just did it right now because I don't want to fight about what I was going to say. Sigh. Tl;Dr lemmy isn't that different than reddit... still lots of jerks.
At least it's a different flavor of jerk
Is it though?
A lot. I start typing then stop, physically remove my hands from the keyboard and remind myself that A) arguing on the internet never convinced anyone of anything and B) it will make me feel worse, not better.
Sometimes it does. But look, I'm not here to convince you...
I have done this for years starting with emails. I find typing out the reply helps me more than actually sending it.
Very often, and it doesn't help that my replies tend to be absurdly long
Towards the end, I either realize that what I want to say has already been said by someone, the argument isn't worth it (like you said), or what's on my mind really isn't worth bothering other people over.
⠀
You cheeky little bugger you! *shakes stick*
A lot of the time. Sometimes I even do research to back up my argument then I realize it’s not worth it.
If you already went through the trouble of collecting facts and have the nerves, go for it. There are too many idiots filling the comment sections of most social media platforms. Don't let them be the only ones who are being heard / read. We need more of those usually silent people speaking up.
Just did this and I decided to let it go. Stupid online argument brain...
For me it's not the realization that the argument isn't very good is the realization that what I'm about to say isn't very interesting.
Me too: except on this occasion, I often go to reply "wow me too!" or whatever, then I see the upvote/like button with the number next to it representing how many people have probably read and thought the same thing, then I just click on that instead.
I don't argue. I just state my case. It's up to the other guy to get offended and defensive.
Same
Well, fuck you!
You know, I typed out a very well thought-out, documented reply, I scoured entire libraries to bring you wisdom,... I see now how foolish that was. You're just like every other lemming
Are you joking? If you're joking, it's a good one.
Because I was joking...
I guess most see it as a bad thing. As waste, or resignation. But here's the good story!
It can be a fruitful inner dialogue. While writing the comment, you engage with the topic, which changes your mind. That's a healthy and good thing! If in the end, your result is "I'd rather not post that, because ...", then this reason is the insight you gained by writing that comment.
Sometimes I realize flaws in my reasoning this way. And I'm happy to catch them! Imagine if it was not asynchronous written conversation, but real time face to face.
Of course there are many reasons to delete a draft. If it's mostly insecurity, I'd encourage people to give it a try. Experiences are what bring you forward, and if it's only to learn what not to repeat in the future.
I almost deleted the last paragraph.
50% of the time, i comment every time.
All the time, and on multiple social networks. I’ll write up a whole post just to consider the responses then delete it without posting.
I get what I wanted to say out of my system, and get no replies to deal with.
More times than not. Arguing on the internet is like mud wrestling with a pig.
Rarely. If I've put in the effort to jot down whatever bollocks I've come up with - it's going out.
Sometimes I can be pretty mean and stubborn in real life, so I actively try to not bring that here.
I gave up on Internet arguments a while back, felt like I was getting too old. Most of us are grown ups here, so we should all act like grown ups here.
More often than not.
Wonder how many replies were deleted here before posting
[this space is intentionally left blank]
This post would have like 1000 comments if we all hit send
I often will do this. At the end of writing a comment I ask myself "is my desire to comment satisfied by writing this comment, is it more about me writing it than other people reading it, is the response to the comment more likely to bring bain than joy?" The answers often lead me to just closing the comment page rather than posting it, and I feel fine about that.
All the time, my friend, all the time.
yes
i wish we could disable inbox replies on here
I
ಠ_ಠ
Not often enough
Lurker here, wanted to chime in to say yeah, all the time. Everything's usually been said or will be said, so why bother. And arguing with strangers online rarely amounts to anything constructive. It seems a lot of people just aren't open to change or have their opinion/biases changed or challenged, though I'm hoping I'm wrong!
And then there's those times when you wrote a reply that you realize kinda sucks or has an error and the person replies before you can fix/delete it!
"Santa doesn't exist!!"
Oh shit, they meant "Salma as in Salma Hayek."
Almost always lately, I don't even fini
Maybe 30% of the time.
Som
Not worth the stress. I mostly only post now if my comment is helpful (like someone is asking a question and I know the answer) or I'm posting something positive. I learned not to get into it with folks. I do not post in political or news or opinionated areas, and mostly stopped reading them. Someone always has the opposite opinion, and instead of being kind about it, they snipe and snark (you're lucky if you get just that!)
I find I start replies only to eventually abandon them as "just not worth it" more and more nowadays.
I almost always post the reply. But, if it's "not worth it" I just put in very, very low effort. Keep responding, but make it clear you're putting in very little effort. Like letting a boxer punch themselves out. Just laugh at how they keep going. It's pretty entertaining sometimes.
I find it more common to do this for replies to my comments. I'm far more likely to post a first comment in a thread, but if someone has some disagreeing reply, the odds I'll say "fuck it, I don't care" is a lot, lot higher.
I do it constantly on Lemmy and constantly in my inner voice throughout the day.
Most of the time while I'm writing a reply or comment it I think about how it benefits the user I'm responding to/what reponses I will get and how to minimize any confusion. Once those thoughts have entered my mind, I rarely click the button to post it.
Yes
Sometimes
I just don’t check replies to everything I write. I’m not trying to go back and forth for days. But ya, I delete quite a few drafts.
Very often, especially cause I don't want to stir shirt with my controversial takes, and can't be bothered to follow on lengthy arguments.
Maybe 1-2 times a day I start a comment, I average a comment a week.
1:10
About 1% of the time
Often enough, which I view as a flaw from myself.
I often delete my comments while repeating to myself the mantra of the wiseman on the mountain.
like 60% of time, sometimes because I think 'Maybe I'm wrong' sometimes because I think 'If I start an argument I'll have to reply or else It's gonna be a lame start by me', so If I reply I must reply, and I'm lazy so I end up thinking I better keep my word to myself.
Probably 80% of the time
I don't know, it's not worth it to count.
8/10 replies
So often
Mostly I type the way I speak, which tends to ramble a lot. One time forever ago someone on Reddit gave me shit and asked if I was not a native English speaker (aw, I sure do miss reddit!). Since then, I largely delete my comments because I'm sensitive about sounding wrong/stupid.
At least once a day.
You did this just for funny replies, didn't you?
Honestly, I just made a post on conservative, the usual peanut gallery showed up. I wanted to reply to them all, didn't because I didn't want the arguments, and realized I've been doing it a lot lately.
About 25% of the time I will start writing a comment only to find that I don’t think my argument is compelling enough, or otherwise is not something I feel makes a good point.
Not this time.
Pretty much all the time, I'll write out really long diatribes, clearly explaining my position, backed up with research, and then
Then what? Don't leave us hanging!
I was gonna write a really long diatribe explaining my position backed up with research, and then I got high
Not o
A lot. I’m self-aware enough to know that I have a huge hangup about “correctness” and “accuracy”. If someone makes claims, I want to see their evidence and I want to know how their evidence supports their claim. Unfortunately, with some people, they don’t understand what evidence is, they don’t care if other evidence disproves what they’re saying, and nothing I ask or say will suddenly cause them to respond in good faith. In those cases, but not all, I just drop it and delete my comments. It happens all the time and it’s always worth it.
Way more if I'm on my phone and it's a bad autocorrect day.
Not often enough.
I should do it much more often
Too many times.
I've gotten pretty good at not writing them to begin with these days, usually. Sometimes I want to argue and fight <_<
All the time If my reply contains an opinion, whether on politics, tech, or cheese, someone will attack.
Regularly. I probably don't post more than 10-15% of the comments I type out
Quite a lot. Im not going to change anyone's mind.
That is what I do almost exclusively on Twitter - nobody is there for thoughtful and meaningful discussion, it's all propaganda and robots.
Like 85% of the time
It is usually not worth the argument if your goal is to persuade the person you are arguing with but it could be useful for persuading others that arent directly involved. If others have already taken a baseball bat to this person's argument or worst case scenario, it turns out the comment section very thoroughly agrees with them and shows no signs that they can be reasoned with, I won't bother.
Less often than I really should.
Never, the argument is always worth it. I mostly got time to call someone out on their bullshit/bad joke/ misinformation post
Not as often as I should.
There are just so many important things that need to be said though, especially these days.
Well I think... Never mind
A lot. I more conservative and vote Republican, so you can imagine the shit I have to read every day on Lemmy and Reddit...it's like a 24/7 hate fest for the Right. So, when I start to respond to something negative about Republicans..I just say forget...I'll just be down voted to hell, banned, cussed at...etc...