end (and stop exporting) that vicious tipping culture of yours. Just pay decent wages to people in customer service.
change the design of yours bills, make them easily recognizable, with different colors and sizes like normal curencies.
take religion out of the money.
and since I'm at it, end gun culture and disarm your people. Also SUVs, end that too. And introduce controlled prices in health services, regulate, regulate, regulate, till it becomes a functional system affordable by everyone.
Thanks. I would love you so much more.
Congrats, you managed to alienate 85% of political financial backers.
You got my vote.
The motto of the US is in god we trust, which is why it's on money. It became the motto in the 50s when Christian nationalism became a prominent position, which is the root of the evil that is the gop. The gop would need to be a minority in government in both houses of Congress in order to change the motto, unfortunately.
It's a change that is definitely needed, however the Christian nationalists are controlling the conversation, as was designed by McCarthyism. In TX, schools are required to hang a poster that says the motto if it is donated by a citizen. In the last legislative session, there was also a bill that would have required every classroom to post the ten commandments.
It is going to take an effort to go vote by the populace at large. In 2022, only about 80% of the Voting Age population was registered and of that 80%, only ~46% cast a vote despite the fact that it was a major election. A large portion of the judicial branch, almost all of the executive branch, and the entire legislative branch of TX were up for election and we only got 37% of the Voting Age population to the polls. Even with polls open for at least 9 hours a day the first week of voting and 12 hours the second week and final day of voting. Being the first state to have early voting, it's common knowledge that there is virtually no line during early voting, but we still don't have turnout.
Anyway, on top of needing people to go to the polls, we need a cultural revolution that rejects far-right ideology. McCarthyism purged centrist and left leaning ideology from the country and we are only in the last couple decades starting to see more centrist policies come into play.
A major problem with voting in this country is that it's not a national holiday, If your working minimum wage you likely can't afford to take the time away from work which means politicians that campaign on a higher wage lose preventing a wage rise creating a loop. The people that are best suited to vote are those that are well off and retired and statistically they lean republican because of people not wanting to help others disadvantaged while seemingly forgetting that they used those programs to get there. People working at minimum wage or even generally low wages and paycheck to paycheck just can't afford the time to vote and their best chances are mail in voting which republicans know, that's why they're pushing so hard against them to make it as inconvenient as possible, because if its easier to vote in person and the people you don't want voting cant vote in person then you just eliminated them from the voting pool by circumstance.
There is also a lack of push for midterms and local elections, the presidential race is very big and public and made a whole spectacle, like you can still remember the 2016 and 2020 elections but be honest with me, what can you remember about the campaigns of the 2018 midterms. The 2022 midterms were basically an exception to the rule because the abortion ruling happened so close and it created such visible lines in the sand but I truly think if the abortion ruling happened in February 2021 not long after Biden got into office the turnout for 2022 midterms wouldn't have had as big of a turnout because it wouldn't have been in the public mind quite as much, the debate on abortions is still big but its mostly shifted to individual states rather than country wide at this point.
I do remember 2018 because it was a huge race in TX with Beto going against Cruz.
I understand that it can be inconvenient, but most people aren't at work from 7 AM-7 PM when the polls are open for an entire week. Some are even open an hour or two later (law allows polls between 6 AM and 10 PM and we should be pushing for those late times). People just don't wake up early or leave for the pills before or after work. I've lived in all the major cities in TX besides San Antonio and have never waited more than 15 minutes to vote. There's a lie going around that it takes forever, when that's only true on the very last day that you can cast a vote. I've seen posts on social media from poll workers saying that there were no lines during early voting at all.
I can understand not making it the first week of voting when they are only open from 8-5, but with some effort, most people should be able to make it when polls are open 7-7.
Should we have mail in voting? Yes. Should we have polls open until 10 PM on weekdays and polls open on the weekend (as already allowed by law)? Yes
We just aren't going to have some other those things until people use the system that's already in place and vote.
Could have sworn I was "E Pluribus Unum".
After a quick search I see they changed/never officially adopted it.
Lame, so much cooler!
Americans will never be disarmed. Look up the process for changing a Constitutional Amendment when you feel like learning something new sometime.
Funny how there's been 27 amendments tho
Did you read about the process to change Amendments? Do you think there's any chance that 3/4 of the 50 states in the USA would ever vote in agreement to abolish their own right to bear arms? I'm confident enough that will not happen that I will bet you $5000 that it does not happen in the next 30 years.
!RemindMe 30 years
I just hope I'm around that long to win that bet
27 times already. I'd say the math works. The Repubeicans are at their end. This is their last kicks. They know the world is changing and they are not in favor. That's why they have the corrupt syrpeme court in a attempt to get in what the minority wants.
You're not very informed if you think only Republicans support the right to bear arms.
Yeah, historically it should be the people-focused parties that really want the people to be armed, not the business-focused parties. Of course the people-focused party here is also the big-government party, so that muddies things.
Modern US currency is somewhat colorful.
I keep forgetting that there are people who still use cash.
I love using cash. I feel like I am thwarting The System since it keeps pressuring me to use credit cards or some other form of electronic currency. I mean I use some of those too when necessary, but I use cash whenever possible.
That's fair.
A lot of low-income households in the USA don't have bank accounts and only use cash.
It amazes me how far behind America is simply because they hate poor people so much, passing regulation to ensure people have fee free access to banking services? Same answer as anything 'nope, fuck the poor' it's crazy too because it's greed of people saying 'why should they get something for nothing!!!' but everything to do with banking is more expensive and worse in the US, even cash machines charge a couple of dollars to get your money.
I think tipping culture is a weird social hierarchy thing too, like people love to feel like they're a higher strata then their server plus have that control over them 'your wages are in my hands, peasant, now serve me like the lord of the manor!' everywhere else there's a camaraderie with workers and I think it feels a lot nicer, the waiter isn't trying to upsell or get into your graces to earn a dirty penny they're just doing their job and interacting with you on a fundamentally human level.
And more are welcome. The war on cash must stop. Shopping should be a private matter.
The first and the last bullets are never going to change sadly. Tipping is only on the increase, guns are just like an inherent part of America now - kids are getting slaughtered by them daily and it's just like normal. Gun control is a laughable proposal in the US. If it hasn't changed with all the reasons to change, it's not going to. SUVs are actually becoming MORE popular. Healthcare is fucked.
I agree with you except the weapons.
Agreed, though keep your filthy fingers off my gas guzzler
Edit: people calm down. I'm just joking - it's actually a diesel
Tipping isn't bad. Being underpaid is bad. If we as consumers want to add a little more for good service, I don't see a problem.
Make dollar coins a thing again.
Remove presidents too.
Guns are for weak people. 100% of gun owners I know are massive cowards. Tell your friends. If we can't get legislation, maybe we can change the culture. SUVs are fine, it's the massive pickup trucks that are getting out of hand. Give us the Hilux already, and make it electric. Healthcare should be universal and single-payer. End the health insurance industry.
We are trying...
Edit: Please tell me why you disagree, don't just downvote me. Downvote is not a "disagree" button. I'm just trying to share my thoughts the best I can.
Tipping had devolved from customers saying "I'll give something extra for extra service" to restaurants saying "since you pay for the food, why don't you pay for the staff too?"
Only real way to get rid of this culture is to ban it to start. Workers need to demand living wages at the same time as ban comes into effect.
Only real way to get rid of this culture is to ban it to start.
A ban would be a bit extreme. Is tipping banned anywhere?
For me, the fix is to establish a fixed tip like some parts of Europe used to have. E.g. $1—2 per person for good service regardless of bill. This would accomplish two things:
The tip cannot be an income supplement (thus wages increase if the resto wants to have staff)
There is still a quality control signal in place
Tipping isn’t bad. Being underpaid is bad. If we as consumers want to add a little more for good service, I don’t see a problem.
The two are at odds with each other; that’s the problem.
I think in this case, "banned" is referring to "paying workers below minimum hourly wage because they're expected to make up the difference by convincing our patrons to generously donate +20% of their dinner bill", not "citizens will be fined/incarcerated if they give someone money of their own free will"
That would make sense, but then why did they follow that with “Workers need to demand living wages at the same time as ban comes into effect”?
Because it logically follows. If the businesses have to stop relying on customers to pay their employees what they are worth. Someone should have to pay their employees a valid living wage. And that logically would be the company.
Right but that’s not the logic I replied to. @Amilo159@lemmy.world proposed a ban on tips, not on below min wage payments, then wrote as a separate statement that higher wages should be demanded. So @4am@lemmy.world’s interpretation was an incorrect interpretation -- though it’s the right idea.
You seem to be viewing tips as an all-or-nothing proposition. When in fact you can have a tipping culture that is not used as a crutch for wages (as most of Europe demonstrates).
Tipping is bad, since it has been taken to the logical extreme of making the customer directly responsible for paying staff, instead of the money going into the business' coffers, to be redistributed as wage from there.
Actually not gonna complain about this one, but that does not take away from the fact that you need to inspect bills of the US dollar for what magnitude of currency it is. Be it a dollar, a fiver, or a hundred, they all have the same size and colour. Unlike more sane currencies, where each denomination of bill has a different size and colour, making it readily apparent if you're holding five, twenty or a hundred of it.
you can't see shit out of them, especially right near the bumper.
As a result of a stiffer frame and higher ground clearance, they're more fatal in a crash with people, or even regular cars, both for the other party and for their own occupants. And because they're big, heavy & unwieldy, they're more likely to end up in a crash in the first place.
they hog space on the road, making traffic and parking worse
they weigh a fuckton, making road maintenance more expensive
there are vehicles out there that can do what an SUV or a Pickup truck can do, but much more efficiently & cost-effectively
The people most likely to vehemently insist these abominations are supposed to keep existing have been found, by market research, to be obsessed with status, be less likely to volunteer, have no strong connection to their community, be less giving, be less oriented towards others, be more afraid of crime, be more likely to text & drive and be more likely to take risks while driving. In other words, SUV fanboys are assholes.
When, a decade or so ago, one researcher put plastic animals along the side of the road, to see which ones people were more likely to hit, some people purposely went out of their way to run over them. Those people were in 89% of cases SUV drivers. The timing is relevant, since at the time, most American car makers still sold regular cars.
Most SUV's and Pickup trucks end up being used for exactly nothing you would need them for.
SUVs are not fine, they're getting bigger and bigger along with the trucks at the same damn time.
Gun owners aren't cowards, being afraid of guns makes you a coward. Learn to handle guns so you don't have to piss yourself in fear.
SUVs are for bad drivers that need to be in giant vehicles to feel safe due to their own inabilities. Some large trucks are acceptable for work purposes but SUV manufacturers use legislation for work trucks made years ago to get away with ignoring safety standards.
Electric cars aren't better for the environment in our current ecosystem. You might not be burning fuel in your car but you're burning coal at the power plant. Beyond that all you've done is make yourself more dependent on the power grid. If you are one of the very few people with self sufficient electric in your home you can skip this one.
Free healthcare doesn't equal good healthcare. People in places with free healthcare have to wait ages for treatment and may be turned away from treatment if the government is over their saving your life budget. The insurance industry could use some work though, hospital bills increase because they can get that money from an insurance provider, this fucks anyone without insurance because most people don't realize they can negotiate those prices down.
Electric cars aren't better for the environment in our current ecosystem. You might not be burning fuel in your car but you're burning coal at the power plant. Beyond that all you've done is make yourself more dependent on the power grid. If you are one of the very few people with self sufficient electric in your home you can skip this one.
You really have to factor in the refinement and transport of fuel though. And then needing to drive to the pumps and the additional maintenance ICE vehicles
I can't speak for every state, but California has only one coal plant and an abundance of renewable energy generation. Including what consumers dump back into the grid.
I love our EV, and encourage others to buy one. They aren't perfect, but it's about incremental improvements. The next problems to solve is battery improvements, long-term battery resource sustainability, and building a more durable and less polluting tire.
Though yes, California does have the least non-renewable power generation. Can you say the same for other states?
Additional maintenance is negligible when compared to the price of battery replacement.
I don't think there are many people making trips in their vehicle just for gas. With a gas station on nearly every corner you're able to easily stop on an existing trip to refuel.
When the power grid fails due to a natural disaster gas power is all you've got. With the limited range you have, is it worth the risk to try to drive somewhere for power?
I'm not against hybrids provided you can still get a reasonable amount of mileage off the gas. But like you said, we need massive amounts of improvement on batteries before we're ready for mass adoption and for EVs to really be a viable replacement option.
You seem to be forgetting that places with socialised health care also have private healthcare and private insurance available so it's the best of both worlds. Everyone can get treated regardless, but you can also go 'premium' if desired.
So I can pay for others healthcare in my taxes and pay for additional healthcare for myself because the "free" healthcare I'm already paying for doesn't do enough for me? Wouldn't it just make more since to pay for private "premium" healthcare off the rip?
Nothing is actually free. It all comes out somewhere. I'm a big fan of not relying on others and the government to support me.
It's similar enough to a real bill for the distributors to be charged under 18 U.S. Code § 475 (Imitating US notes for advertising).
I believe if you were to take this to your bank and tell them that someone tipped you this and you just want to check it it's counterfeit or real, the FBI would suddenly be involved
US Secret Service is in charge of counterfeiting investigations, not the FBI.
It doesn't look close enough to a real bill. The person on the counter would probably just say they will get someone involved and then throw it away and do nothing.
It doesn't look close enough to a real bill for the bank/Secret Service to care about. I've seen someone charged with counterfeit money when they had the movie money that literally says "This is not real money, it is for cinematic purposes only" on the back. Cops and DAs can fuck you twice over.
Have they ever charged those churchs who hand out chic tracks on fake folded 50s?
I thought at first that's what this was - one of those stupid Jesus tracts that look like a $20, because apparently, SaViNg YoUr SoUl Is ThE bEsT tIp Of AlL!1!
Those don't look enough like real money to be illegal. These do.
It is remarkably close to a real bill. If not for the numbers being obviously wrong, I can imagine someone mistaking this for a real bill.
A year 2024 bill denomination? Doubtful. Courts have long protected the right of parody money as long as it was clear that it's not real. And making a bill that doesn't have a dollar amount on it and is clearly political speech would likely be protected.
Yeah but they are leaving it in place of actual money. IF you found a LEO who wanted to fuck the tippers day up it could probably be used as grounds for an arrest because its being used in place of money. Wether a charge would stick or not would entirely depend on the judge.
Kind of like how walking around with tiny baggies full of baby powder is legal, selling them and claiming its coke isnt. If you try to pass something that looks like money off as money...
Except a tip isn't a contractual transaction, so there's nothing illegal happening. They just left a clickbaity political flyer. There's no difference between leaving this and leaving Chick Tracts, other than this one makes you double take before throwing it out.
If they tried to pay for the meal with it, there'd be a legal problem since they're trying to pass it off as money.
I'm sure a LEO with a friendly judge could duck the tippers day up. But cops "don't vote Democrat" (Jack Reacher quote), and they can in almost every jurisdiction, just pull you over and beat you up if they want to run your day.
And eiize your car and all your money with no due process.
Because the car "did something illegal" or some other bullshit nonsense that civil asset forfeiture permits.
Nobody but your boss has to give you the pay you deserve
You're not wrong, but anyone who leaves shit like this or the stupid church dollars as a tip is a special kind of asshole.
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
14 people
You're not wrong.
But they also didn't answer the question. They said how many, not who.
Restaurant owners
Servers making bank.
If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out or order delivery. Just because the tip system is a terrible system doesn't mean you have an excuse to fuck over the victims of it.
Until there's a national strike on tipping that could lead thousands of tip reliant workers to quit (like the writers strike), be a decent person and have some sympathy. Instead of eating out and not tipping, don't eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don't give a shit.
I have sympathy for underpaid workers. But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such. Actually your commands sound a bit condescending.
I wanted to highlight
Instead of eating out and not tipping, don’t eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don’t give a shit.
This isn't a "just said", it's a fact. Not tipping isn't a protest, it's a self-imposed discount at the expense of the worker. The business owner makes exactly the same money, the only one who suffers is the underpaid worker.
...but they should feed me while I do nothing to help them, instead I'll be here actively enriching the people exploiting their labor.
"But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such."
I'm sure that sounded cool in concept, but basically all this says is that you find the idea of changing your mind due to dialog silly. How sad.
"Actually your commands sound a bit condescending"
Oh wow, I hope my analysis doesn't come across like that. You might stop tipping - oh, wait...
All good points. But since tipping is supporting this broken system, and not tipping seems to be worse, what do you suggest then?
I could just not go out, sure. Just stay out of it. If enough people do that, this wil lead to less customers, more employers closing their business, more employers loosing the job they couldn't afford to quit. I don't see how that helps either.
If you can't afford to live without tips, don't volunteer to become a potential victim of a terrible system.
If it wasn't so depressing I might find it funny you think people work in bad environments because they want to.
Minimum wage is not a livable wage, I shouldn't have to tell you this. Your arrogance is genuinely disgusting.
And I find the arrogance of telling people if they can't afford to tip, they shouldn't eat out disgusting. If they can afford it and are just being cheap, that's one thing, but you don't get to act all morally superior while being arrogant the other direction.
If you can't afford something you shouldn't buy it. Just because you don't agree with the system doesn't mean you get to ignore it and then justify it by taking a moral high ground.
You know the servers wages are dependent on tips and you choose not to pay them. THAT is the social contract. Whether you agree with it or not.
If you cared about changing the system you'd take steps to change it without screwing the workers. You're just being cheap.
I tip. But there's a difference between "I know the system is terrible, but I rely on tips and would really appreciate it if you're able" and "Don't go out if you can't afford to tip." The second is arrogant and condescending. Not being an asshole goes both ways.
No. It's not. Don't go somewhere you can't afford (including the tip) is not arrogant.
I see what you mean, but I'm not the one fucking over the employees.
On the short term you are right, but as long as customers keeps tipping, the system works well enough for nothing to change.
The more people stops tipping, the closer we get to change.
And I'm sorry that the change will hurt the employees, but it's not my battle. And tipping does not support the employees battle, just this days income.
Tell me another way I can support their battle, and I'll listen.
(I tip when the employees seems to rely on it, or if I feel extraordinarily well serviced.)
Right, lemme just go on a hunger strike to should stop the most predatory Capitalists in existence /s
You do know there are many places to get food without table service, right?
Funny thing is that this guy hates tipping, but they’re going to vote for the candidate and political party that want to keep service salaries so low that tipping is required to live.
If this person really wanted to kill tipping, they should vote for the other party. Those are the folks seriously talking about solutions that would make it unnecessary.
If you try to explain this they'll just go on a unhinged tangent about how Trump single handedly saved the service industry. That, or something equally stupid.
Yes, let's not pretend that these are well-researched positions that make sense. They're identity statements.
Assholes like this love tipping culture. It gives them a feeling of power over people they see as lesser.
I find these types don't hate tipping, they think servers deserve to beg for scraps. They also just don't think it should be them doing the tipping and act like what they gave you is more valuable than the money.
These are the same idiots that will go into a store on Christmas to shop and then rant to the cashier that they shouldn't be open on Christmas. They refuse to have self awareness.
While I do believe the minimum wage is too low and I am wanting it raised, I don't think raising it will stop restaurants from keeping tipping culture. Unless they implement laws to dissolve tips, it makes no sense financially for restaurants to end tipping. Even landlords are getting in on tipping.
its a cult
That's kind of insulting to cult leaders bruh. Most cult leaders have some really honed charisma and at least some specific intellectual strengths.
They removed god and placed Trump. Are evangelicals fine with that?
Plenty fine. There's a lot of them even claiming that Trump is literally the Second Coming, or a prophet thereof. I've even had one tell me that he and Pence (before they all turned against Pence) were the two prophets of the End Times in Revelations.
The funny part is that they supposedly believe in the Antichrist but don't realize Trump is closer to that description than the Second Coming.
I've even had one tell me that he and Pence were the two prophets of the End Times in Revelations.
In a way they are
I think the Republican party stopped caring about the evangelicals back in 2010 when the Tea Party thing happened. By 2012 their candidate was a Mormon and then we all know what happened in 2016.
Trump is their god emperor
Well he did try starting the space force so maybe that was his attempt at a space marine
Omg I didn't even notice that. Jfc
Anyone hard rooting for any politician is a moron. All D and R marked politicians are lizards looking to suck your wallet dry and deprive you of free will. These ultra Trump people are are cringey as the baffoons that think Biden is a good president.
Fuck tipping culture. Rather than begging tips from customers, DEMAND it from your employer.
Yes, but sadly the contrary is happening. Restaurant owners now have a sneaky trick to increase tips in order to lower wages: you know those receipts & terminals that have a “suggested tip”? Yeah, those things.. they keep increasing. I was handed a PoS terminal in Netherlands (where tipping norms are like a couple euro), and the terminal asked me to tap for how much I want to tip which suggested as much as 25%.
It’s working, too. A recent article described how this trick is causing average tips to increase. So the #warOnCash is part of the problem.
I agree with the sentiment, but I think it's important to remember that it's the employers we should be mad at, not the employees.
They're too dumb to realize that it will have the opposite effect. It won't work like "omg i got an ad for [CANDIDATE X] instead of $20, gonna vote for him!!"
It has nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with showing dominance. While liberals are too afraid to say this or that because it might hurt someone's feelings, these right wing lunatics have no problems being very bold and in-your-face about their candidate of choice.
What you're supposed to do with these and the bible verse ones is at least leave a decent tip to go along with this so the server finds it at the end of their shift with their money. Instead, people just leave these pieces of trash.
At first I didn't see any actual evidence that this was connected to Trump, so I figured everyone here was just assuming it was Trump based on how shitty this practice is. I definitely assumed the same.
(If you zoom wayyyy in his name is there, though.)
Been a thing for a long time actually. Since before his cult. Religious fucks leave fake bills with Bible versus on them.
Worked in a resort area and some big church group showed up and tipped using money like that. Like a party of 20 people type group.
Everyone started calling around to establishment saying if you get a group of 20 and they all look like Jesus folk tell them to leave.
Cult people using the cult as an excuse/justification to behave like selfish assholes. A tale as old as time.
When are the rest of us going to get sick of this petulant bullshit?
Trumpism isn't a cult, it's a mainstream religion. Unless you want to make the argument that Trumpism is a sect of Christianity devoted to worshipping the Antichrist
tomato tomato
Wow, this is worthless lol
Not tipping is better than this, at least not tipping can't disappoint you more than this can
Wow this is worthless
I hope it's at least two ply so you can wipe with it
I, uh, wouldn't really trust touching that to my skin. I bet they went with the lowest bidder by far that uses some lead-based ink or some shit like that.
It's less than worthless my boy!
Would this be considered counterfeit money and thus illegal?
If it's close enough to the real thing that someone tries to use it as real currency, then it's considered counterfeit. Personally, imo anything dollar-like that's used in place of a tip should be considered an attempt to use counterfeit money.
If it vaguely looks like a dollar and it's more than 75% the size of a regular bill or less than 150% the size, it's in counterfeit territory.
by some Trump supporters, yes
Nope. It's pretty obvious that this isn't really money
Obviously not
To be real clear, the only thing this does is screw over the hourly employees trying to survive on tips.
It does absolutely nothing to the business, they don't care, at all. It doesn't impact them in the slightest.
Yes, by law, if someone makes so little in tips that they would be getting paid below minimum wage the business is supposed to make up the difference.
Assuming that happens for the entire shift.
In practice, by all accounts... That pretty much never happens.
Sounds like a great way to make an angry hourly employee into an ardent anti trump voter.
In theory, yes, but in reality it's a religious cult. The majority of his followers won't abandon him no matter how much abuse they suffer from him and their fellow cultists.
Yeah but by continuing to support the tipping system, nothing will ever change. The best thing to do is stop giving business to restaurants with a tipping culture.
If enough people refuse to eat at these places, eventually employees will start quitting and restaurant owners will have to start paying their workers a decent wage.
There are plenty of restaurants with delicious high-quality food and no tips accepted. You don't have to be waited on by a server.
While your plan is good in theory, how many places like this have you found? I have ran into a grand total of zero. It's hard to support businesses doing it a better way when you can't find any.
Huh. I've literally never been anywhere that does this.
You've never been to a restaurant where you walk up to the counter and place your order there, instead of being waited on by a server? Really? (And I don't mean fast food.)
In practice, if you report so little tips you cant hit minimum wage management will assume you are (a) lying to the IRS, (b) providing awful service, or (c) business is too slow to justify you being there. Any way you look at you probably wont work there much longer.
And none of those would be considered if no one ever tipped since it wouldn't be one server but all of them.
Yeah sure, lay the responsibility on people powerless to change the law themselves in stead of the politicians whose job it is, taking away what little income the victims have in the process! Fucking brilliant! 🙄
The politicians WONT change the system, so there are really only one option: don't tip, and let the chips fall where they may. If I don't go to the restaurant at all, the server gets no tips, and if I go, but don't tip, the server gets no tips. If I go, but don't tip, at least I still get the food I want, without having to make it myself. The "tipping problem" is a problem between employees and employers, it's not my problem to solve.
So basically what you're saying is that, rather than your idea being a suggestion to affect reform,all you care about is you not having to pay a little extra. Just pure selfishness poorly disguised as virtue.
Wait so they get paid less than the minimum wage? What’s the point of minimum wage if they have to make up for it with tips?
No point. It is purely symbolic.
People are generalizing, but this isn't the case for all of the US. Things vary by state
Yes. One of the many reasons I say we need a UBI.
There's technically two different rates employers are federally required to pay. First there's the standard $7.25/h. The second is for workers that receive cash tips. Employers are allowed to pay said workers as little as $2.13/h so long as their tips and their regular wages work out to $7.25h. If the employee's gross pay works out to less than $7.25/h, then the employer is obligated to make up the difference. The idea, I presume, is to allow some wiggle room to "encourage a more competitive market for smaller businesses," while still ensuring workers make at least the minimum.
The second is for workers that receive cash tips.
Fucking braindead....
so the solution if it never happens, is to enforce it, not say fuck it and having the consumer do their duty for them
Can't think of any better way to guarantee his defeat, if he's even a free man by that point.
What a horrible person to do this.
My mom was a waitress when I was growing up, and I know how hard they work. I always tip at the minimum 20%.
Goddamn Trump supporters just keep showing us what broken people they truly are.
ELIF: How is this not illegal?
That seriously looks like a 20-dollar bill... I might be missing something.
For the "bill" itself, we can't see the other side, but there's enough differences that you wouldn't mistake it for real currency at more than a glance. Fake bills for movie/tv sets look far closer to real bills (basically with obviously fake serial numbers and "for movie use only" stamped on it.
For leaving it as a tip, it's not being used to satisfy a payment. While tipping is expected, it's not required and there's not an agreed upon amount between the parties. So they're just leaving a scummy flyer behind. Not any different than the people that 'tip' with Chick Tracts. If they were to use it to try and pay the bill, it'd be illegal.
Gotcha, good call out on the front of the bill. I am curious if OP has that for us to see. Thank you for the explanation.
It is clearly marked as not being a $20 bill. That 2024 is huge compared to the real thing. The flip side probably includes a picture of Donnie T instead of Jackson.
If you accept that as legal tender, it's on you. On the bright side, there's no indication that they were trying to pass it off as real money. It's like those screeds where it looks like a $20, but you open it and it says, "I bet you would have been happy if this was real money, but let me tell you, Jesus is better than money."
Gee, thanks. Let me ask the HEB of they'll accept Jesus in exchange for milk and beef.
This almost pisses me off enough to invent time travel, go back in time, kill my grandfather, and destroy the universe.
This almost pisses me off enough to invent time travel, go back in time, kill my grandfather, and destroy the universe, sleep with my grandmother, become the mighty one, travel into the future, save the universe
FTFY
Assholes get a 25% discount at restaurants.
Assholes should get a tip. Preferably rubbed on their bread
I wanna see the flip side
Here you go
The real MVP! - you, not that ham hock face on the other side
I have to wonder what is going through their heads to think this would be in any way helpful to their cause. It's literally saying "hey I'm screwing you out of money in the name of Trump."
That's definitely going to win over prospective voters.
But consistent with Trump’s complete lack of ethics.
This is either a 4D chess move by Biden’s campaign or Trump’s crowd is dumber than the dumb that we think they are.
Would be more functional on a public restroom that ran out of toilet paper tbfh.
"America I love you but you're freaking me out." -The Menzingers
I'm curious what the other side looks like.
I’m willing to be 2024 dollars that it’s Trump’s face
You think he's giving the thumbs up?
He’s definitely giving the thumbs up lol
With that shitty smile I'm sure. You know the one. Don't make me post a link to the image.
Here you go
Should be in prison stripes
Murder urges intensify...
I would remember that guy, and spit in all his food when he came back.
I would say they're not dumb enough to go back, but, you know, Trump supporter.
Technically if some idiot hands you one of those, you can have them citizen-arrested for counterfeiting money, right?
citizen-arrested
Don't do this. In almost every case it's technically illegal imprisonment -- leaving you at the mercy of a prosecutor.
Maybe, but also only if it's trying to be used as cash. Trying to pay for groceries, meal, depositing it at a bank, etc. would be an issue. Leaving it as a tip, while a scummy thing to do, isn't on the same ballpark since it's not an agreed upon transaction (i.e. no price for a tip is agreed upon by the parties), and you'd have to prove intent to pass it off as cash and not just a flyer/pamphlet.
, and you’d have to prove intent to pass it off as cash and not just a flyer/pamphlet.
If they left it in the tip jar / tip tray, it's patent intent.
I would like to change the title from "a new trend in tipping" to a "a new trend in being an asshole".
Is that illegal.
I'm pretty sure there is no legal requirement to tip. However, if wait staff end up below minimum wage after tips their employer is supposed to pay the difference, though this usually doesn't happen and most people aren't aware of it. Wage theft is the most common form of theft in the US, and this plays a part in it.
I think they mean is leaving counterfeit money as a payment of service illegal
If they knowingly pass a counterfeit bill, yes.
But this is a tip, not a payment so there's no agreed upon amount that is supposed to be left.
Also, this isn't a counterfeit bill, since it's easily distinguishable from legal currency.
Is leaving a clickbaity political flyer in place of a tip a scummy thing to do? Absolutely. But it's not illegal.
I'm pretty sure this wouldn't count as counterfeit. It's not meant to pass as real money. It's gag money. You're not required to tip though, so there's nothing illegal about not leaving money or leaving something else instead. Obviously knowingly using counterfeit money is illegal regardless, but again this is counterfeit, just a gag.
I don't know, it looks like it would make for some good toilet paper.
uh what is this >?
basically a promotional flyer for the Trump 2024 campaign
What’s so revolting and obnoxious about @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world’s trolling is low wages and high tips are precisely in line with #Trump principles (and in fact right-wing conservatives in general) and contrary to the principles of the liberals who are repulsed by Trump & his repugnance.
How am I trolling?
My bad, you’re not. Insinuation that Trump would somehow solve the low wages due to tipping didn’t come from you.
The whole situation with tipping is following a path of degeneration, which I wouldn't dare to say we have seen the end. However, this reminds me of the millionaire of better call saul who wanted to secede from the US and had printed his own money xd
Oh America, come on:
end (and stop exporting) that vicious tipping culture of yours. Just pay decent wages to people in customer service.
change the design of yours bills, make them easily recognizable, with different colors and sizes like normal curencies.
take religion out of the money.
and since I'm at it, end gun culture and disarm your people. Also SUVs, end that too. And introduce controlled prices in health services, regulate, regulate, regulate, till it becomes a functional system affordable by everyone.
Thanks. I would love you so much more.
Congrats, you managed to alienate 85% of political financial backers.
You got my vote.
The motto of the US is in god we trust, which is why it's on money. It became the motto in the 50s when Christian nationalism became a prominent position, which is the root of the evil that is the gop. The gop would need to be a minority in government in both houses of Congress in order to change the motto, unfortunately.
It's a change that is definitely needed, however the Christian nationalists are controlling the conversation, as was designed by McCarthyism. In TX, schools are required to hang a poster that says the motto if it is donated by a citizen. In the last legislative session, there was also a bill that would have required every classroom to post the ten commandments.
It is going to take an effort to go vote by the populace at large. In 2022, only about 80% of the Voting Age population was registered and of that 80%, only ~46% cast a vote despite the fact that it was a major election. A large portion of the judicial branch, almost all of the executive branch, and the entire legislative branch of TX were up for election and we only got 37% of the Voting Age population to the polls. Even with polls open for at least 9 hours a day the first week of voting and 12 hours the second week and final day of voting. Being the first state to have early voting, it's common knowledge that there is virtually no line during early voting, but we still don't have turnout.
Anyway, on top of needing people to go to the polls, we need a cultural revolution that rejects far-right ideology. McCarthyism purged centrist and left leaning ideology from the country and we are only in the last couple decades starting to see more centrist policies come into play.
A major problem with voting in this country is that it's not a national holiday, If your working minimum wage you likely can't afford to take the time away from work which means politicians that campaign on a higher wage lose preventing a wage rise creating a loop. The people that are best suited to vote are those that are well off and retired and statistically they lean republican because of people not wanting to help others disadvantaged while seemingly forgetting that they used those programs to get there. People working at minimum wage or even generally low wages and paycheck to paycheck just can't afford the time to vote and their best chances are mail in voting which republicans know, that's why they're pushing so hard against them to make it as inconvenient as possible, because if its easier to vote in person and the people you don't want voting cant vote in person then you just eliminated them from the voting pool by circumstance.
There is also a lack of push for midterms and local elections, the presidential race is very big and public and made a whole spectacle, like you can still remember the 2016 and 2020 elections but be honest with me, what can you remember about the campaigns of the 2018 midterms. The 2022 midterms were basically an exception to the rule because the abortion ruling happened so close and it created such visible lines in the sand but I truly think if the abortion ruling happened in February 2021 not long after Biden got into office the turnout for 2022 midterms wouldn't have had as big of a turnout because it wouldn't have been in the public mind quite as much, the debate on abortions is still big but its mostly shifted to individual states rather than country wide at this point.
I do remember 2018 because it was a huge race in TX with Beto going against Cruz.
I understand that it can be inconvenient, but most people aren't at work from 7 AM-7 PM when the polls are open for an entire week. Some are even open an hour or two later (law allows polls between 6 AM and 10 PM and we should be pushing for those late times). People just don't wake up early or leave for the pills before or after work. I've lived in all the major cities in TX besides San Antonio and have never waited more than 15 minutes to vote. There's a lie going around that it takes forever, when that's only true on the very last day that you can cast a vote. I've seen posts on social media from poll workers saying that there were no lines during early voting at all.
I can understand not making it the first week of voting when they are only open from 8-5, but with some effort, most people should be able to make it when polls are open 7-7.
Should we have mail in voting? Yes. Should we have polls open until 10 PM on weekdays and polls open on the weekend (as already allowed by law)? Yes
We just aren't going to have some other those things until people use the system that's already in place and vote.
Could have sworn I was "E Pluribus Unum".
After a quick search I see they changed/never officially adopted it.
Lame, so much cooler!
Americans will never be disarmed. Look up the process for changing a Constitutional Amendment when you feel like learning something new sometime.
Funny how there's been 27 amendments tho
Did you read about the process to change Amendments? Do you think there's any chance that 3/4 of the 50 states in the USA would ever vote in agreement to abolish their own right to bear arms? I'm confident enough that will not happen that I will bet you $5000 that it does not happen in the next 30 years.
!RemindMe 30 years
I just hope I'm around that long to win that bet
27 times already. I'd say the math works. The Repubeicans are at their end. This is their last kicks. They know the world is changing and they are not in favor. That's why they have the corrupt syrpeme court in a attempt to get in what the minority wants.
You're not very informed if you think only Republicans support the right to bear arms.
Yeah, historically it should be the people-focused parties that really want the people to be armed, not the business-focused parties. Of course the people-focused party here is also the big-government party, so that muddies things.
Modern US currency is somewhat colorful.
I keep forgetting that there are people who still use cash.
I love using cash. I feel like I am thwarting The System since it keeps pressuring me to use credit cards or some other form of electronic currency. I mean I use some of those too when necessary, but I use cash whenever possible.
That's fair.
A lot of low-income households in the USA don't have bank accounts and only use cash.
It amazes me how far behind America is simply because they hate poor people so much, passing regulation to ensure people have fee free access to banking services? Same answer as anything 'nope, fuck the poor' it's crazy too because it's greed of people saying 'why should they get something for nothing!!!' but everything to do with banking is more expensive and worse in the US, even cash machines charge a couple of dollars to get your money.
I think tipping culture is a weird social hierarchy thing too, like people love to feel like they're a higher strata then their server plus have that control over them 'your wages are in my hands, peasant, now serve me like the lord of the manor!' everywhere else there's a camaraderie with workers and I think it feels a lot nicer, the waiter isn't trying to upsell or get into your graces to earn a dirty penny they're just doing their job and interacting with you on a fundamentally human level.
And more are welcome. The war on cash must stop. Shopping should be a private matter.
The first and the last bullets are never going to change sadly. Tipping is only on the increase, guns are just like an inherent part of America now - kids are getting slaughtered by them daily and it's just like normal. Gun control is a laughable proposal in the US. If it hasn't changed with all the reasons to change, it's not going to. SUVs are actually becoming MORE popular. Healthcare is fucked.
I agree with you except the weapons.
Agreed, though keep your filthy fingers off my gas guzzler
Edit: people calm down. I'm just joking - it's actually a diesel
Tipping isn't bad. Being underpaid is bad. If we as consumers want to add a little more for good service, I don't see a problem.
Make dollar coins a thing again.
Remove presidents too.
Guns are for weak people. 100% of gun owners I know are massive cowards. Tell your friends. If we can't get legislation, maybe we can change the culture. SUVs are fine, it's the massive pickup trucks that are getting out of hand. Give us the Hilux already, and make it electric. Healthcare should be universal and single-payer. End the health insurance industry.
We are trying...
Edit: Please tell me why you disagree, don't just downvote me. Downvote is not a "disagree" button. I'm just trying to share my thoughts the best I can.
Tipping had devolved from customers saying "I'll give something extra for extra service" to restaurants saying "since you pay for the food, why don't you pay for the staff too?"
Only real way to get rid of this culture is to ban it to start. Workers need to demand living wages at the same time as ban comes into effect.
A ban would be a bit extreme. Is tipping banned anywhere?
For me, the fix is to establish a fixed tip like some parts of Europe used to have. E.g. $1—2 per person for good service regardless of bill. This would accomplish two things:
The two are at odds with each other; that’s the problem.
I think in this case, "banned" is referring to "paying workers below minimum hourly wage because they're expected to make up the difference by convincing our patrons to generously donate +20% of their dinner bill", not "citizens will be fined/incarcerated if they give someone money of their own free will"
That would make sense, but then why did they follow that with “Workers need to demand living wages at the same time as ban comes into effect”?
Because it logically follows. If the businesses have to stop relying on customers to pay their employees what they are worth. Someone should have to pay their employees a valid living wage. And that logically would be the company.
Right but that’s not the logic I replied to. @Amilo159@lemmy.world proposed a ban on tips, not on below min wage payments, then wrote as a separate statement that higher wages should be demanded. So @4am@lemmy.world’s interpretation was an incorrect interpretation -- though it’s the right idea.
You seem to be viewing tips as an all-or-nothing proposition. When in fact you can have a tipping culture that is not used as a crutch for wages (as most of Europe demonstrates).
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SUVs are not fine, they're getting bigger and bigger along with the trucks at the same damn time.
Gun owners aren't cowards, being afraid of guns makes you a coward. Learn to handle guns so you don't have to piss yourself in fear.
SUVs are for bad drivers that need to be in giant vehicles to feel safe due to their own inabilities. Some large trucks are acceptable for work purposes but SUV manufacturers use legislation for work trucks made years ago to get away with ignoring safety standards.
Electric cars aren't better for the environment in our current ecosystem. You might not be burning fuel in your car but you're burning coal at the power plant. Beyond that all you've done is make yourself more dependent on the power grid. If you are one of the very few people with self sufficient electric in your home you can skip this one.
Free healthcare doesn't equal good healthcare. People in places with free healthcare have to wait ages for treatment and may be turned away from treatment if the government is over their saving your life budget. The insurance industry could use some work though, hospital bills increase because they can get that money from an insurance provider, this fucks anyone without insurance because most people don't realize they can negotiate those prices down.
You really have to factor in the refinement and transport of fuel though. And then needing to drive to the pumps and the additional maintenance ICE vehicles
And not all energy is created by burning coal. There are solar, hydro, wind, and nuclear. In fact, only 20% of our energy comes from coal, https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3.
I can't speak for every state, but California has only one coal plant and an abundance of renewable energy generation. Including what consumers dump back into the grid.
I love our EV, and encourage others to buy one. They aren't perfect, but it's about incremental improvements. The next problems to solve is battery improvements, long-term battery resource sustainability, and building a more durable and less polluting tire.
Though yes, California does have the least non-renewable power generation. Can you say the same for other states?
Additional maintenance is negligible when compared to the price of battery replacement.
I don't think there are many people making trips in their vehicle just for gas. With a gas station on nearly every corner you're able to easily stop on an existing trip to refuel.
When the power grid fails due to a natural disaster gas power is all you've got. With the limited range you have, is it worth the risk to try to drive somewhere for power?
I'm not against hybrids provided you can still get a reasonable amount of mileage off the gas. But like you said, we need massive amounts of improvement on batteries before we're ready for mass adoption and for EVs to really be a viable replacement option.
You seem to be forgetting that places with socialised health care also have private healthcare and private insurance available so it's the best of both worlds. Everyone can get treated regardless, but you can also go 'premium' if desired.
So I can pay for others healthcare in my taxes and pay for additional healthcare for myself because the "free" healthcare I'm already paying for doesn't do enough for me? Wouldn't it just make more since to pay for private "premium" healthcare off the rip?
Nothing is actually free. It all comes out somewhere. I'm a big fan of not relying on others and the government to support me.
It's similar enough to a real bill for the distributors to be charged under 18 U.S. Code § 475 (Imitating US notes for advertising).
I believe if you were to take this to your bank and tell them that someone tipped you this and you just want to check it it's counterfeit or real, the FBI would suddenly be involved
US Secret Service is in charge of counterfeiting investigations, not the FBI.
It doesn't look close enough to a real bill. The person on the counter would probably just say they will get someone involved and then throw it away and do nothing.
It doesn't look close enough to a real bill for the bank/Secret Service to care about. I've seen someone charged with counterfeit money when they had the movie money that literally says "This is not real money, it is for cinematic purposes only" on the back. Cops and DAs can fuck you twice over.
Have they ever charged those churchs who hand out chic tracks on fake folded 50s?
I thought at first that's what this was - one of those stupid Jesus tracts that look like a $20, because apparently, SaViNg YoUr SoUl Is ThE bEsT tIp Of AlL!1!
Those don't look enough like real money to be illegal. These do.
It is remarkably close to a real bill. If not for the numbers being obviously wrong, I can imagine someone mistaking this for a real bill.
A year 2024 bill denomination? Doubtful. Courts have long protected the right of parody money as long as it was clear that it's not real. And making a bill that doesn't have a dollar amount on it and is clearly political speech would likely be protected.
Yeah but they are leaving it in place of actual money. IF you found a LEO who wanted to fuck the tippers day up it could probably be used as grounds for an arrest because its being used in place of money. Wether a charge would stick or not would entirely depend on the judge.
Kind of like how walking around with tiny baggies full of baby powder is legal, selling them and claiming its coke isnt. If you try to pass something that looks like money off as money...
Except a tip isn't a contractual transaction, so there's nothing illegal happening. They just left a clickbaity political flyer. There's no difference between leaving this and leaving Chick Tracts, other than this one makes you double take before throwing it out.
If they tried to pay for the meal with it, there'd be a legal problem since they're trying to pass it off as money.
I'm sure a LEO with a friendly judge could duck the tippers day up. But cops "don't vote Democrat" (Jack Reacher quote), and they can in almost every jurisdiction, just pull you over and beat you up if they want to run your day.
And eiize your car and all your money with no due process.
Because the car "did something illegal" or some other bullshit nonsense that civil asset forfeiture permits.
Nobody but your boss has to give you the pay you deserve
You're not wrong, but anyone who leaves shit like this or the stupid church dollars as a tip is a special kind of asshole.
Who the fuck is downvoting this?
14 people
You're not wrong.
But they also didn't answer the question. They said how many, not who.
Restaurant owners
Servers making bank.
If you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out or order delivery. Just because the tip system is a terrible system doesn't mean you have an excuse to fuck over the victims of it.
Until there's a national strike on tipping that could lead thousands of tip reliant workers to quit (like the writers strike), be a decent person and have some sympathy. Instead of eating out and not tipping, don't eat out. The restaurant gets the same amount of money whether you tip or not, I guarantee they don't give a shit.
I have sympathy for underpaid workers. But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such. Actually your commands sound a bit condescending.
I wanted to highlight
This isn't a "just said", it's a fact. Not tipping isn't a protest, it's a self-imposed discount at the expense of the worker. The business owner makes exactly the same money, the only one who suffers is the underpaid worker.
"I have sympathy for underpaid workers."
...but they should feed me while I do nothing to help them, instead I'll be here actively enriching the people exploiting their labor.
"But I don't think I'll change my tipping attitude just because you said such and such."
I'm sure that sounded cool in concept, but basically all this says is that you find the idea of changing your mind due to dialog silly. How sad.
"Actually your commands sound a bit condescending"
Oh wow, I hope my analysis doesn't come across like that. You might stop tipping - oh, wait...
All good points. But since tipping is supporting this broken system, and not tipping seems to be worse, what do you suggest then?
I could just not go out, sure. Just stay out of it. If enough people do that, this wil lead to less customers, more employers closing their business, more employers loosing the job they couldn't afford to quit. I don't see how that helps either.
So I'm listening. What do you suggest?
If you can't afford to live without tips, don't volunteer to become a potential victim of a terrible system.
If it wasn't so depressing I might find it funny you think people work in bad environments because they want to.
Minimum wage is not a livable wage, I shouldn't have to tell you this. Your arrogance is genuinely disgusting.
And I find the arrogance of telling people if they can't afford to tip, they shouldn't eat out disgusting. If they can afford it and are just being cheap, that's one thing, but you don't get to act all morally superior while being arrogant the other direction.
If you can't afford something you shouldn't buy it. Just because you don't agree with the system doesn't mean you get to ignore it and then justify it by taking a moral high ground.
You know the servers wages are dependent on tips and you choose not to pay them. THAT is the social contract. Whether you agree with it or not.
If you cared about changing the system you'd take steps to change it without screwing the workers. You're just being cheap.
I tip. But there's a difference between "I know the system is terrible, but I rely on tips and would really appreciate it if you're able" and "Don't go out if you can't afford to tip." The second is arrogant and condescending. Not being an asshole goes both ways.
No. It's not. Don't go somewhere you can't afford (including the tip) is not arrogant.
I see what you mean, but I'm not the one fucking over the employees.
On the short term you are right, but as long as customers keeps tipping, the system works well enough for nothing to change.
The more people stops tipping, the closer we get to change.
And I'm sorry that the change will hurt the employees, but it's not my battle. And tipping does not support the employees battle, just this days income.
Tell me another way I can support their battle, and I'll listen.
(I tip when the employees seems to rely on it, or if I feel extraordinarily well serviced.)
Right, lemme just go on a hunger strike to should stop the most predatory Capitalists in existence /s
You do know there are many places to get food without table service, right?
Are you incapable of feeding yourself?
That's actually inaccurate.
You can be charged for theft of service for refusing to tip someone. It's happened.
Then it's not a tip, it's wages the customer is expected to pay.
Funny thing is that this guy hates tipping, but they’re going to vote for the candidate and political party that want to keep service salaries so low that tipping is required to live.
If this person really wanted to kill tipping, they should vote for the other party. Those are the folks seriously talking about solutions that would make it unnecessary.
If you try to explain this they'll just go on a unhinged tangent about how Trump single handedly saved the service industry. That, or something equally stupid.
Yes, let's not pretend that these are well-researched positions that make sense. They're identity statements.
Assholes like this love tipping culture. It gives them a feeling of power over people they see as lesser.
I find these types don't hate tipping, they think servers deserve to beg for scraps. They also just don't think it should be them doing the tipping and act like what they gave you is more valuable than the money.
These are the same idiots that will go into a store on Christmas to shop and then rant to the cashier that they shouldn't be open on Christmas. They refuse to have self awareness.
While I do believe the minimum wage is too low and I am wanting it raised, I don't think raising it will stop restaurants from keeping tipping culture. Unless they implement laws to dissolve tips, it makes no sense financially for restaurants to end tipping. Even landlords are getting in on tipping.
its a cult
That's kind of insulting to cult leaders bruh. Most cult leaders have some really honed charisma and at least some specific intellectual strengths.
They removed god and placed Trump. Are evangelicals fine with that?
Plenty fine. There's a lot of them even claiming that Trump is literally the Second Coming, or a prophet thereof. I've even had one tell me that he and Pence (before they all turned against Pence) were the two prophets of the End Times in Revelations.
The funny part is that they supposedly believe in the Antichrist but don't realize Trump is closer to that description than the Second Coming.
In a way they are
I think the Republican party stopped caring about the evangelicals back in 2010 when the Tea Party thing happened. By 2012 their candidate was a Mormon and then we all know what happened in 2016.
Trump is their god emperor
Well he did try starting the space force so maybe that was his attempt at a space marine
Omg I didn't even notice that. Jfc
Anyone hard rooting for any politician is a moron. All D and R marked politicians are lizards looking to suck your wallet dry and deprive you of free will. These ultra Trump people are are cringey as the baffoons that think Biden is a good president.
Fuck tipping culture. Rather than begging tips from customers, DEMAND it from your employer.
Yes, but sadly the contrary is happening. Restaurant owners now have a sneaky trick to increase tips in order to lower wages: you know those receipts & terminals that have a “suggested tip”? Yeah, those things.. they keep increasing. I was handed a PoS terminal in Netherlands (where tipping norms are like a couple euro), and the terminal asked me to tap for how much I want to tip which suggested as much as 25%.
It’s working, too. A recent article described how this trick is causing average tips to increase. So the #warOnCash is part of the problem.
I agree with the sentiment, but I think it's important to remember that it's the employers we should be mad at, not the employees.
They're too dumb to realize that it will have the opposite effect. It won't work like "omg i got an ad for [CANDIDATE X] instead of $20, gonna vote for him!!"
It has nothing to do with advertising and everything to do with showing dominance. While liberals are too afraid to say this or that because it might hurt someone's feelings, these right wing lunatics have no problems being very bold and in-your-face about their candidate of choice.
What you're supposed to do with these and the bible verse ones is at least leave a decent tip to go along with this so the server finds it at the end of their shift with their money. Instead, people just leave these pieces of trash.
At first I didn't see any actual evidence that this was connected to Trump, so I figured everyone here was just assuming it was Trump based on how shitty this practice is. I definitely assumed the same.
(If you zoom wayyyy in his name is there, though.)
Been a thing for a long time actually. Since before his cult. Religious fucks leave fake bills with Bible versus on them.
Worked in a resort area and some big church group showed up and tipped using money like that. Like a party of 20 people type group.
Everyone started calling around to establishment saying if you get a group of 20 and they all look like Jesus folk tell them to leave.
Cult people using the cult as an excuse/justification to behave like selfish assholes. A tale as old as time.
When are the rest of us going to get sick of this petulant bullshit?
Trumpism isn't a cult, it's a mainstream religion. Unless you want to make the argument that Trumpism is a sect of Christianity devoted to worshipping the Antichrist
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Wow, this is worthless lol Not tipping is better than this, at least not tipping can't disappoint you more than this can
Wow this is worthless
I hope it's at least two ply so you can wipe with it
I, uh, wouldn't really trust touching that to my skin. I bet they went with the lowest bidder by far that uses some lead-based ink or some shit like that.
It's less than worthless my boy!
Would this be considered counterfeit money and thus illegal?
If it's close enough to the real thing that someone tries to use it as real currency, then it's considered counterfeit. Personally, imo anything dollar-like that's used in place of a tip should be considered an attempt to use counterfeit money.
If it vaguely looks like a dollar and it's more than 75% the size of a regular bill or less than 150% the size, it's in counterfeit territory.
by some Trump supporters, yes
Nope. It's pretty obvious that this isn't really money
Obviously not
To be real clear, the only thing this does is screw over the hourly employees trying to survive on tips.
It does absolutely nothing to the business, they don't care, at all. It doesn't impact them in the slightest.
Yes, by law, if someone makes so little in tips that they would be getting paid below minimum wage the business is supposed to make up the difference.
Assuming that happens for the entire shift.
In practice, by all accounts... That pretty much never happens.
Sounds like a great way to make an angry hourly employee into an ardent anti trump voter.
In theory, yes, but in reality it's a religious cult. The majority of his followers won't abandon him no matter how much abuse they suffer from him and their fellow cultists.
Yeah but by continuing to support the tipping system, nothing will ever change. The best thing to do is stop giving business to restaurants with a tipping culture.
If enough people refuse to eat at these places, eventually employees will start quitting and restaurant owners will have to start paying their workers a decent wage.
There are plenty of restaurants with delicious high-quality food and no tips accepted. You don't have to be waited on by a server.
While your plan is good in theory, how many places like this have you found? I have ran into a grand total of zero. It's hard to support businesses doing it a better way when you can't find any.
Huh. I've literally never been anywhere that does this.
You've never been to a restaurant where you walk up to the counter and place your order there, instead of being waited on by a server? Really? (And I don't mean fast food.)
In practice, if you report so little tips you cant hit minimum wage management will assume you are (a) lying to the IRS, (b) providing awful service, or (c) business is too slow to justify you being there. Any way you look at you probably wont work there much longer.
And none of those would be considered if no one ever tipped since it wouldn't be one server but all of them.
Yeah sure, lay the responsibility on people powerless to change the law themselves in stead of the politicians whose job it is, taking away what little income the victims have in the process! Fucking brilliant! 🙄
The politicians WONT change the system, so there are really only one option: don't tip, and let the chips fall where they may. If I don't go to the restaurant at all, the server gets no tips, and if I go, but don't tip, the server gets no tips. If I go, but don't tip, at least I still get the food I want, without having to make it myself. The "tipping problem" is a problem between employees and employers, it's not my problem to solve.
So basically what you're saying is that, rather than your idea being a suggestion to affect reform,all you care about is you not having to pay a little extra. Just pure selfishness poorly disguised as virtue.
Wait so they get paid less than the minimum wage? What’s the point of minimum wage if they have to make up for it with tips?
No point. It is purely symbolic.
People are generalizing, but this isn't the case for all of the US. Things vary by state
Yes. One of the many reasons I say we need a UBI.
There's technically two different rates employers are federally required to pay. First there's the standard $7.25/h. The second is for workers that receive cash tips. Employers are allowed to pay said workers as little as $2.13/h so long as their tips and their regular wages work out to $7.25h. If the employee's gross pay works out to less than $7.25/h, then the employer is obligated to make up the difference. The idea, I presume, is to allow some wiggle room to "encourage a more competitive market for smaller businesses," while still ensuring workers make at least the minimum.
Fucking braindead....
so the solution if it never happens, is to enforce it, not say fuck it and having the consumer do their duty for them
I didn't really get why someone would make a bill with just 2024 on it. Like, do they just really want to make sure that you know about the year 2024?
Then I saw the small print.
this should be illegal
Yes, restaurants should be required to pay a proper wage.
That's some real fancy toilet paper!
Hopefully all of Trump's supporters do this.
Can't think of any better way to guarantee his defeat, if he's even a free man by that point.
What a horrible person to do this.
My mom was a waitress when I was growing up, and I know how hard they work. I always tip at the minimum 20%.
Goddamn Trump supporters just keep showing us what broken people they truly are.
ELIF: How is this not illegal? That seriously looks like a 20-dollar bill... I might be missing something.
For the "bill" itself, we can't see the other side, but there's enough differences that you wouldn't mistake it for real currency at more than a glance. Fake bills for movie/tv sets look far closer to real bills (basically with obviously fake serial numbers and "for movie use only" stamped on it.
For leaving it as a tip, it's not being used to satisfy a payment. While tipping is expected, it's not required and there's not an agreed upon amount between the parties. So they're just leaving a scummy flyer behind. Not any different than the people that 'tip' with Chick Tracts. If they were to use it to try and pay the bill, it'd be illegal.
Gotcha, good call out on the front of the bill. I am curious if OP has that for us to see. Thank you for the explanation.
It is clearly marked as not being a $20 bill. That 2024 is huge compared to the real thing. The flip side probably includes a picture of Donnie T instead of Jackson.
If you accept that as legal tender, it's on you. On the bright side, there's no indication that they were trying to pass it off as real money. It's like those screeds where it looks like a $20, but you open it and it says, "I bet you would have been happy if this was real money, but let me tell you, Jesus is better than money."
Gee, thanks. Let me ask the HEB of they'll accept Jesus in exchange for milk and beef.
This almost pisses me off enough to invent time travel, go back in time, kill my grandfather, and destroy the universe.
FTFY
Assholes get a 25% discount at restaurants.
Assholes should get a tip. Preferably rubbed on their bread
I wanna see the flip side
Here you go
The real MVP! - you, not that ham hock face on the other side
I have to wonder what is going through their heads to think this would be in any way helpful to their cause. It's literally saying "hey I'm screwing you out of money in the name of Trump."
That's definitely going to win over prospective voters.
But consistent with Trump’s complete lack of ethics.
This is either a 4D chess move by Biden’s campaign or Trump’s crowd is dumber than the dumb that we think they are.
Would be more functional on a public restroom that ran out of toilet paper tbfh.
"America I love you but you're freaking me out." -The Menzingers
I'm curious what the other side looks like.
I’m willing to be 2024 dollars that it’s Trump’s face
You think he's giving the thumbs up?
He’s definitely giving the thumbs up lol
With that shitty smile I'm sure. You know the one. Don't make me post a link to the image.
Here you go
Should be in prison stripes
Murder urges intensify...
I would remember that guy, and spit in all his food when he came back.
I would say they're not dumb enough to go back, but, you know, Trump supporter.
Technically if some idiot hands you one of those, you can have them citizen-arrested for counterfeiting money, right?
Don't do this. In almost every case it's technically illegal imprisonment -- leaving you at the mercy of a prosecutor.
Maybe, but also only if it's trying to be used as cash. Trying to pay for groceries, meal, depositing it at a bank, etc. would be an issue. Leaving it as a tip, while a scummy thing to do, isn't on the same ballpark since it's not an agreed upon transaction (i.e. no price for a tip is agreed upon by the parties), and you'd have to prove intent to pass it off as cash and not just a flyer/pamphlet.
If they left it in the tip jar / tip tray, it's patent intent.
I would like to change the title from "a new trend in tipping" to a "a new trend in being an asshole".
Is that illegal.
I'm pretty sure there is no legal requirement to tip. However, if wait staff end up below minimum wage after tips their employer is supposed to pay the difference, though this usually doesn't happen and most people aren't aware of it. Wage theft is the most common form of theft in the US, and this plays a part in it.
I think they mean is leaving counterfeit money as a payment of service illegal
If they knowingly pass a counterfeit bill, yes.
But this is a tip, not a payment so there's no agreed upon amount that is supposed to be left.
Also, this isn't a counterfeit bill, since it's easily distinguishable from legal currency.
Is leaving a clickbaity political flyer in place of a tip a scummy thing to do? Absolutely. But it's not illegal.
I'm pretty sure this wouldn't count as counterfeit. It's not meant to pass as real money. It's gag money. You're not required to tip though, so there's nothing illegal about not leaving money or leaving something else instead. Obviously knowingly using counterfeit money is illegal regardless, but again this is counterfeit, just a gag.
I don't know, it looks like it would make for some good toilet paper.
uh what is this >?
basically a promotional flyer for the Trump 2024 campaign
What’s so revolting and obnoxious about @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world’s trolling is low wages and high tips are precisely in line with #Trump principles (and in fact right-wing conservatives in general) and contrary to the principles of the liberals who are repulsed by Trump & his repugnance.
How am I trolling?
My bad, you’re not. Insinuation that Trump would somehow solve the low wages due to tipping didn’t come from you.
The whole situation with tipping is following a path of degeneration, which I wouldn't dare to say we have seen the end. However, this reminds me of the millionaire of better call saul who wanted to secede from the US and had printed his own money xd