What the hell! Let's all just go crazy!

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I... I already did pronounce the L 😔

American and urban? I've noticed that all a lot of black people in and near cities pronounce the L. I always get a chuckle and they look at me like I'm a pompous British/French general from the 1800s or an idiot that can't pronounce Ls.

In Vermont we also pronounce the L however the N is dropped.

So interesting how different it can be!

Yea I'm finding the bulk of the Vermont accent is just stressing the beginning of words and mumbling the least letter. So lie we kinn a sou liee thihs all the timee. It was pretty jarring moving to Florida after growing up around folks that talked like that.

Next you'll be telling me I should pronounce the L in island as well!

fun fact: the S in island is completely fucking made up, the original spelling was "iland" with "i" being cognate with "ö" in swedish. It basically means island land and the only reason why there's an S in there is because some shithead thought it was related to the french word "isle" and felt that INCORRECT idea warranted changing the spelling.

Yep. It is indeed. Same with the K in knight, which was added for no fucking reason. Sweden also has an island called Öland which means island land.

"Knight" used to be pronounced with the "K." It was always there, it's not pronouncing it that's new.

Oh yeah I confused it with some other word.

Probably "night," which is also properly pronounced with the leading K sound.

I think what you said is slightly wrong. Island and isle are both English words that seem to have no ethymological connection. However close semantic relation of "isle" might have cause the introduction of the "s" at some point. Isle itself probably comes from latin "insula". The French still have only one word "Île". Germans have "Eiland" and "Insel".

island [OE] Despite their similarity, island has no etymological connection with isle (their resemblance is due to a 16th-century change in the spelling of island under the influence of its semantic neighbour isle). Island comes ultimately from a prehistoric Germanic *aujō, which denoted 'land associated with water,' and was distantly related to Latin aqua 'water'. This passed into Old English as īeg 'island,' which was subsequently compounded with land to form īegland 'island'. By the late Middle English period this had developed to iland, the form which was turned into island. (A diminutive form of Old English īeg, incidentally, has given us eyot 'small island in a river' [OE].)

Isle [13] itself comes via Old French ile from Latin insula (the s is a 15th-century reintroduction from Latin). Other contributions made by insula to English include insular [17], insulate [16], insulin, isolate [via Italian) [18], and peninsula [16].

i-sand... is-and... isund? iand? Ok, I give up, how are you supposed to pronounce it without the L?

etymologically the word is made up of "i" and "land", the "s" was added by some idiot in the 15th century. "i" is cognate with "ö" in swedish which simply means "island", so just pull a power move and drop all the other letters completely.

Swede caveman sailor 1: What that?

Swede caveman sailor 2: is land

Swede caveman sailor 1: ö

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You're welcome, I've made all of us dumber...

You mean the s?

I mean the L. Like in salmon.

You actually pronounce the L in salmon?

Edit...the word actually. But also...my bad.

I already do this with the word "solder" which confuses my fellow Americans greatly. They seem to think I'm lying that the L is sounded out in some other English speaking countries.

I just think the American pronunciation (SAW-dur) sounds wrong.

I don't solder, so I'm no expert, but I've only ever heard it pronounced "sodder" (though agreed, leaving out the "l" sound is an odd choice).

In UK/Australia/NZ we pronounce it as written, with the l.

It was friends and YouTube content creators from the UK that made me realize that dropping the L isn't done everywhere else. I grew up thinking that it was just one of those English words that break all the pronunciation rules.

I am today years old learning that it was spelled with an L and not just a D.

That's a lot or a little or a standard amount of years! And, still will be and is if people read or are reading these comments years from now. Or before now.

What area of the country are you in? I'm on the West Coast and the normal pronunciation is with the L. Pronunciations often depend on region though

I'm on the west coast, Northern California. Huh.

Not to be confused with soljer soldier

You say that, but there's the anachronistic nautical slang "soger" for an inept or lazy sailor. It came from the soldiers assigned to British navy ships, who did not participate in the sailing of the vessel.

I always find it odd that Americans pronounce it so weirdly, but that's different cultures with different fresh takes on our language I suppose.

I'm in the US and I've never heard anyone pronounce it "SAW-dur" in person or in any form of media. You are supposed to pronounce the L in the General American accent.

If you use Google's word pronunciation tools, both General American and Received Pronunciation pronounce the L in soldier.

Edit: I like the downvotes to all my comments without anyone showing me people pronouncing it that way.

I think this is a misunderstanding. The poster you're replying to is talking about solder, not soldier (which you wrote, assuming that's the word you meant). Solder, as in a soldering iron, is pronounced Saw-dur in the US. Ya dingus 😉

Lmao thank you! This is the comment I was looking for. Calling me out for being stupid and making a mistake instead of downvoting without explanation!

Not really, it’s the same as caulk.

Can you link me a to a clip or a pronunciation source that has someone pronouncing it like that? I've never heard that anywhere in my life. I'm guessing it's a less common accent.

Couldn’t even wait longer than an hour to complain about downvotes.

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From now on I'll pronounce Worcester as whore Chester.

In a German quizz show, there was the question how to pronounce it and not everyone know

I speak Spanish and it's wild to have no many randomly decided silent letters in words. We have the H that is silent always, and that's it. We have Salmón, with the intonation in the o, and we of course pronounce the L. I can't even say salmon without the L while not sounding stupid.

You should see Fr*nch.

They only pronounce the vowels and once in a blue moon a consonant.

But it's systematic. In English, it's systemless, complete wild west out there smh

English took over a lot of French words, originally written and pronounced like the French words, for example saumon (salmon). Then someone decided to go back to how the words were written in Latin (salmo), but they kept pronouncing it more like the French word.

The ultimate blend of multiple languages that are difficult to learn. We shall make it the universal trade language!

(And I know it doesn't have things like tonal shifts)

Oh you must be joking.

There is absolutely zero system in half of French's letter salad!

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stares from Portugal

"nh" and "lh" are sounds

Are those like ñ and ll in Spanish, or different?

Yes. You double the letter, we composite it.

No me entra en la cabeza que hagan silenciosa la L de salmón.. hasta te diría que me ofende ligeramente esta información.

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You're not supposed to? Not a native English speaker.

No, the L is silent. Thank the French for that.

Geuss I ain't ever gonna pronounce this damn language correctly . You can't blame this on French tho because in that language it's saumon pronounced somon. They didn't drop a consonant in the middle of the word.

The word comes ultimately from the Latin salmon, but we got it by way of French, as we did with so many other food words. The French, as was their wont, had swallowed up the Latin L in their pronunciation, so by the time we English borrowed the word, it was saumon, no L in the spelling and so no L in the pronunciation.

https://katherinebarber.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-l-in-salmon.html

True, we kept the L, but we got the pronunciation from them.

Pronouncing the word based on how another language says it is strange to say the least. Imagine if train had the same treatment. In French it's a short tr-un instead of English tr-ayn.

Pronouncing the word based on how another language says it

French influence on English is rather unique in this regard. French was the language of the upper class, so an effort was made for English to sound more French when possible.

My favorite example of how this has carried into modern day is the expressions "cordial reception" and "hearty welcome." They both effectively mean the same thing, but the first, which is latin-derived, sounds fancy, while the second, which is germanic-derived, sounds more informal.

I know this but didn't fully apprehend how deep the affect was.

If I ever visit an English speaking country I'll have to remember to say half the words in French to sound very haut class. Lol

It hasn't been this way for hundreds of years, so you'll most likely just confuse people! Unless you're in Canada, maybe.

Sallemonne /s

Edit: Looked it up, the French word is actually "saumon". The L in the English word probably isn't from French.

The word comes ultimately from the Latin salmon, but we got it by way of French, as we did with so many other food words. The French, as was their wont, had swallowed up the Latin L in their pronunciation, so by the time we English borrowed the word, it was saumon, no L in the spelling and so no L in the pronunciation.

https://katherinebarber.blogspot.com/2020/03/the-l-in-salmon.html

So no, the L isn’t, but the pronunciation is.

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No, but you do pronounce it in salmonella. English is not a language governed by logic.

I think it's optional in "salmonella". I was a biology student in college and heard both pronunciations all the time.

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Just try to pronounce laugh as it’s spelt. I dare you.

Salmon is a type of ghoti.

Ghoti (fish) is referring to an old Tom Scott video about the inconsistencies of the English language, right?

Salmon in English sounds like semen in Spanish

Are the flavors similar too?

I don't know but id happily consume several kilograms of both

Got a question for you. What's heavier: a kilogramme of salmon or a kilogramme of semen?

Clearly the semen, as it's more dense you can fit more semen in a kilogram than salmon.

/s

Akshully, the density plays its part becase of Archimedes force an atmosphere is applying to an object. The less dense an object is, the lighter it will weight for the same mass. E.g. the air baloon with helium inside will have a mass even higher that an empty one because of added helium mass, yet it may float up thus having a negative weight (in the atmosphere)

The kilogram of semen, cause you have to carry the weight of being a slut

You know what? You're absolutely right! We have no future, if climate change doesn't get us in the next 50 years, or the endless crushing of the working classes under late stage capitalism, then the rising new wave of western fascism will when it takes over.

Nothing matters any more, let's just do whatever we want <3

Partly wish I had Twitter in order to commend them on their choice of Frisky Dingo profile pic, but I'd rather pull the pubes off my scrotum one-by-one with tweezers than visit Twitter so it's not going to happen.

Anybody want to DM OP for me? Or get their pubes removed?

Just as long as I can simultaneously drop the'l' sound from salmonella

I always pronounce the H in Meghan and the TH in Thailand in my head.

While we are at it, the. The t doesn't sound like a t. The h doesn't sound like an h. The e doesn't sound like an e.

None of the letters sound like how they should when looked at individually. I propose we change this. From now on, each letter gets pronounced as itself in the word the.

We used to have a letter for 'th' (thorn (Þ, þ)), but it was replaced by 'th'. There are people trying to bring back, but I wonder if they just like typing þorn (thorn)

As someone who regularly mispronounces this as rhyming with almonds I feel a little attacked

I also say the following wrong: Ikea, Nutella, idea. Somehow my bilingual brain just gives up.

At the same time, it's not pronounced as "samon"

It's either "saemon" or "semen" lol

Is English fucked? Yes, yes, absolutely yes.

Um, Google search for: salmon definition gave the following result for pronunciation: /ˈsamən/ And the voice sounds like "samon".

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Jake Vig, @Jake_Vig

I Like Going To Walmart For Fun

You might as well go ahead and pronounce the "L" in "salmon." Nothing matters anymore.

I'm confused on where the walmart line is coming from, am I missing something?

Just spit balling, but maybe the program that does the transcription doesn't just use the image, but instead scans the image, finds the Twitter account shown, and checks the tweet text in the image against the matching actual tweet.

And since it's accessing the actual tweet, maybe that Walmart text is like a profile tag line or something that's attached to the user?

I... I'm not convinced it's a bot though. There are normal comments in the account history

Let me give it a try "flip flop plop plop". Still working on my salmonese.

Yes! Pronounce your letters, don't be weird! (I know this is not about this, but I'll probably never be able to tell this to any anglophone.)

How should I say should? How should I talk talk? Should I talk to the Colonel about putting the scissors in the drawer?

Like shoulder.

Maybe English needs an accent mark for silence, like the Turkish ğ

"Talk" like in "calc" but the first letter is a "t". "Should" as in "shoulder", just without the "er". And so on...

Oh fine, let's just start pronouncing "recognize" as though there were actually a "G" in it then!! I mean where does the madness stop!!

as a swede whose accent is a hodgepodge of everything between scottish to RP to some vague average of american plus of course swenglish, i have spoken into the void and it spake back.

aj räckågnaiz de sällmån

Thus spake Zarathrustra. (if I spelled that wrong -well, I'm an American). I'd rather not hear any voices out of the void - this whole thing makes me shiver, recalling my lifelong fear of the black void of space and the movie "2001 A Space Odyssey." (Shudders).

I always have. How else is it pronounced? "Reckonize?"

In America a lot of people say "reckonize." In fact, I never hear it pronounced as if there is an actual "g" in the word anymore. I think they're just imitating habits of others but I hope they know that, there really is a "g" in the word (if it comes to having to spell it).

Do they also say "reckonition?"

Yeah I've heard it said that way. And it's very "fustrating." (another word that is mispronounced by leaving out the first "r" in frustrating). My big hang up is people always mispronouncing the word "Jewelry" as "Jew-LUH-Ree." It's just the world Jewel with an "ry" on the end - how hard is that to get right!!!!

Yes, people often/usually drop the g in quick/casual speech, but most regions I have heard do pronounce it when speaking slower or more formally.

Idk, I say it like reckignize. Can't be bothered to open my jaw to pronounce the O. But I'm from oklahoma so it's not my fault :)

Midwestern gang out here saying the l in palm

... Are you not supposed to?

According to my English teacher who grew up in California no.

Palm is apparently not supposed to rhyme with calm

Palm is apparently not supposed to rhyme with calm

That's not really how things work. How did she think they were "supposed" to be pronounced?

This was mega confusing at first bc I just realized I do not pronounce the L in palm or calm. So they do rhyme.. but it's like pom/com

Seeing what people with different accents think rhymes is wild. Calm, farm and palm all rhyme but sound nothing like com or pom!

It is, but not the way you think - you* don't pronounce the L in either. Calm, palm, balm, farm, harm all rhyme.

*obviously you do, I speak nothing but the Queen's!

Or the "T" in "often!"

Oh, wait, lots of people do that already.

And pronounce aluminum the wrong way too.

And pronounce the letter H incorrectly! Why not?

aluminum? It's spelled straightforward phonetically. How could anybody botch that?

British pronounce it, "Alum-inium." With an extra I in it. I think because it cheeses off the rest of us.