What are some Redditisms that Lemmy needs to avoid?

nyternic@lemmy.world to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 212 points –

For example, people on Reddit asking redundant questions and give equally redundant or unhelpful answers.

Whenever every 'What's the worst show you've seen?' is asked, you'll get 10,000 "Kardashians" answers, which is just easy karma farming.

If someone posts in a community that's geared for something like opinions, but someone elects to just go on a full scale rant instead.

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Questions like “When you’re sexing some sexy sex, how many sex do you sex?”

Let’s keep the immature high school/sad old desperate man horniness out of here.

Jesus, yes. I can't tell you how many subreddits got swamped with high-school leveled questions about sex.

Especially in TooAfraidToAsk, which is supposed to be about questions that'd normally be about trying to ask taboo things to get a discussion. But no, you'll come across questions like "if there is no porn to look at, what do you look at instead while jerking off in the shower?". Like, besides trolls, who the hell comes up with some questions like that? Let's not forget the abundance of people, showcasing the lack of sexual education, asking if they'd get HPV by doing this or HIV by doing that.

I feel bad because clearly these poorly educated teenagers need answers to these questions. But it really drags down the level of discourse.

And not just regarding sex, but any other "oh you're obviously 14" takes.

Makes you wonder if the loads of stupid sex questions has anything to do with the lack of proper sex education in schools.

Some of them were from perpetually horny adults like myself but we usually self-quarantined at r/askredditafterdark

Ah, yes...I posted on that one for a time.

I don't know, man.

Teenagers are going to be horny no matter the level of education. I just think it's exciting for them to have "real" people answering their questions, a distinctly different experience than asking the teacher in sex-ed, more private too.

Reddit seems like it is largely made up of two main demographics. It's either people in their 30's, 40's, 50's who were there since the site's launch (me) or teenagers to early/mid 20's. The latter has a big reach on the site right now.

So you're basically saying reddit is mainly being used by people from 20 to 60 years. What a surprise ;)

My interpretation was it excludes people from 27-30

who the hell comes up with some questions like that?

I mean the obvious answer is of course young teenagers, especially if their family has a uncomfortable relation to sexuality.

Adding to this, I'd love to never see the phrase "Sexy Time" ever again

Ugh there are so many phrases I cannot stand from reddit. "thanks for the gold kind stranger" makes me want to throw my computer out of the window.

"RIP my inbox", "How do I delete someone else's comment", etc

How can I give you gold to this comment fellow redditor

I wish I could upvote this twice.
(I meant this as a reference to people saying that on reddit)

I saw one today on that Reddit bot instance of Lemmy titled:

"I like the smell of my vagnina after my boyfriend cums in me."

I'm not sure if it's bored teenagers, bots or straight up dumb asses that are posting that garbage, nor why.

Every single time I think about reddit, that picture of a past reddit meet-up appears in my head. 99% were fat, disgenetic, unappealing, unhealthy, weird looking people.

i don’t know.. i see a few people using reddit on public transit and they look alright. I find that kind of disingenuous

This stereotype has stemmed from the amount of neckbeard incelish redditors that hate on women more than anything

The different Reddit meetups I had gone to weren't like that. But after that picture it became nearly impossible to get a meetup going.

It was a shame because that seemed to kill meetups. I had been to a couple up to that point, they didn't look like that and were a lot of fun.

Going to a sub of strictly like minded people and posting popular opinions for karma.

"Thanks for the gold" and other "Edit: this blew up" type bullshit.

Any time someone says "obligatory [anything]" I want to scream.

That's the fate of, ironically, a subreddit called UNPOPULARopinions.

"Beyonce is overrated!" - just throw them the lifetime achievement award for "unpopular". /s

Because of user karma. Even a fake incentive to say things that everyone likes beyond normal social pressure creates a bunch of people who eagerly say inane shit to get moar doots.

This

/s

I used to use /s all the time over at Reddit - especially in political discussions. If I posted sarcastically "advocating" for something, I didn't want people to misread the post and think I seriously supported that thing.

Normally, I could trust that people would pick up on the sarcasm, but it's hard over text and there were people actually advocating for the horrible stuff. I didn't want to be mistaken for one of them, so I'd add a /s. It definitely ruined the joke, but I'd rather do that than have someone think I was racist/sexist/bigoted/etc.

Sometimes the /s is necessary. It's difficult to convey sarcasm in writing.

Why is posting this ironically any better than posting it unironically?

It's one of the thing I don't miss. Using it the "correct way" is supposed to hurt your eyes. /s for the people who don't get it.

I get the others, but why that last one?

Think of it like this. When humans talk to humans, is any joke ever obligatory? It's "that's what she said" any time anything vaguely prurient gets mentioned.

Now imagine if they said "I'm obligated to tell you that's what she said." Do you see how they've added a tragic undercut to a comment that already wasn't funny?

People should not do this.

Probably the biggest one would be needlessly hostile or mocking responses.

Wow, this was my first thought as well. I wonder if it would help to have an etiquette manual with examples of how to disagree respectfully.

Yep. Just blocked someone for that. I will not put up with that behavior here.

Sometimes it's so hard though... It's hard to find posts that are just slightly disagreeing... It's always some asshole talking absolute bullshit or minimizing other people's suffering.... It's really hard to respectfully disagree with someone who says vile shit.

It’s really hard to respectfully disagree with someone who says vile shit.

Those are called trolls; you’re not supposed to feed them (before or after midnight).

Downvote and move on…

Well, I did say needlessly hostile. I definitely didn't mean that you should treat actually vile people with velvet gloves.

I'm talking more about the overall culture on Reddit where you'd have someone making some innocuous mistake and getting torn into it for it.

Although, yeah, that does also extend to general disagreements that tend to take on raised hairs where it really isn't warranted. Like, just of the top of my head, what happens whenever someone discusses the viability of nuclear power.

I think you should change your mentality. Imo, most people want to do good, most people are average intelligence, and most people are about average informed. I'm not extraordinary- so when I disagree with someone I'm recognizing that they probably genuinely want good, they probably know as much as me, and they probably are as smart as me, yet they disagree. Maybe one of us is lacking information, or maybe they have a different philosophy than me. And I can accept that and think they're wrong without jumping to them being a bad person. Basically, being wrong isn't evil- and I don't determine what is right anyways.

That's a nice attitude. Many discussions would benefit from more people strive for something like that.

Centralization of anything. Powermods shouldn't be a thing, and major central instances are a bit sketchy too. No offense to ruud et al.

The problem with power mods is that it's a thankless job that people do for free. You're not exactly getting a line of people out the door willing to take up the mantle, so a small group of power users end up taking on more and more.

You're giving them too much credit. Although some are altruistic, many are greedy power hungry scabs who's entire life revolves around holding whatever merger power they can over others.

I stepped up once and made a sub for a small niche game I liked when none existed. The devs noticed, reached out me with free copies of the game to give away on the sub and everything. Then some power mods got wind of it, made their own subreddit for the game and completely overwhelmed my little sub though cross promotion via their other subs and with their army of alt accounts too.

Most of them don't want help, their cries are just to elicit sympathy and get free stuff out of it. Power mods are the scourge of Reddit.

I'd wager it's the other way around. Most of us are decent people, it's just a few bad apples that make the rest of us look bad.

And yes, I've been a mod for a couple decades on various platforms. On reddit I ran about a dozen smaller subs for years. Almost all the mods on my teams were decent people, only a single person was the exception.

And the problems with reddit are more systemic than "hurry durr power mods r bad." It's like having a cough, then blaming your mouth for it. Don't just look at the guy doing work for free, look at the people getting paid off the backs of free labor.

Reddit is a fairly unique exception to the usual moderator experience. I too used to be an admin on a couple of large forums and IRC servers and I'd say most of those people were decent. Reddit however is plaged with a large number of power mods in many of the medium to larger subs who's sole purpose in life is to be an online lord of opinion and toxicity over others.

That's not to say there's not decent people too but I imagine your experience is squewed a bit if you ran smaller ones.

Well right. The answer is just to have GPT moderate everything in exchange for Bitcoin. /s

You're definitely right, though. It's thankless but important and idk what the solution really is, but I think distribution is definitely better than centralization. More mods the merrier even if they're just there as checks and balances. But that's definitely getting into politics as well, which I'm not great at.

Something that Lemmy should do is create a better way to handle mod permissions. Reddit's system of the ranking structure doesn't really work well. Even something as basic as guilds in most MMO's would be far better than what we have right now.

That's already kind of happening. the main two communities are lemmy.world and lemmy.lm. And since different instances can defederate from each other that can cause the same echo chambers we saw on reddit. Here's a list of everything you can't see if you're on lemmy.world: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.world

Thankfully you can go out and make an account on an instance like lemmy.sdf.org that doesn't block anything but I don't think it's a perfect solution.

That’s already kind of happening. the main two communities are lemmy.world and lemmy.lm. And since different instances can defederate from each other that can cause the same echo chambers we saw on reddit. Here’s a list of everything you can’t see if you’re on lemmy.world: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.world

Thankfully you can go out and make an account on an instance like lemmy.sdf.org that doesn’t block anything but I don’t think it’s a perfect solution.

That’s already kind of happening. the main two communities are lemmy.world and lemmy.lm. And since different instances can defederate from each other that can cause the same echo chambers we saw on reddit. Here’s a list of everything you can’t see if you’re on lemmy.world: https://fba.ryona.agency/?reverse=lemmy.world

Thankfully you can go out and make an account on an instance like lemmy.sdf.org that doesn’t block anything but I don’t think it’s a perfect solution.

Shameless plug for lemm.ee, which no one has defederated from, also the admin has been actively contributing to the codebase and really seems to know his stuff.

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I suspect powermods are more of a myth than reality, but I agree we should be concerned with any instance becoming the defacto site for Lemmy.

I think the best way to avoid this is already in motion (though slowly), which is to have smaller topic instances which house the topic in its entirety and don't have as many users (for example there is one for Star Trek and one for Android already). This way, regardless of your instance you still have access to the topic.

That's just my 2 cents, anyways.

Powermods exist, but they are important to how Reddit functions.

They effectively act as a knowledge base on how to moderate large subs. They know how to use a lot of specialty software to moderate large subs and will typically act as a lightning rod for other mods on unpopular decisions.

They also get drunk on power, but Reddit never provided for a better way to control their communities. Of course, technically neither has Lemmy, yet.

That's quite interesting.

To be honest, I was never active enough to encounter a power mod; but I suppose anyone could go overboard trying to protect their community (even if they wind up doing more harm than good). Without having encountered any power mods, it's hard for me to say what percentage fell into that category.

In your experience, did the level of power of the mod seem directly proportional to their level of overboardness/corruption?

I apologize if the answer seems obvious. I keep hearing about the power mods, but since I've never seen one in action, I would certainly like to learn more.

In your experience, did the level of power of the mod seem directly proportional to their level of overboardness/corruption?

No, but they did have their bad days and being a mod of large groups can be very damaging to a person's sanity. For those who were kicked off, I saw it less as getting what they deserved and more as them getting the break that they really needed.

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Reposting.

There's two kinds of resposting:

"honest" resposting that happens when the OP hasn't seen his submission previously posted.

karma-whore resposting that happens when someone wants to get those sweet internet points.

Without karma the second one may not be a problem at all ¯\(ツ)/¯

I've gotten pegged by people when I reposted something I knew very well, hadn't been posted within a year's timeframe. Like, what's the problem with that? It hasn't been seen in so long so yeah it'll be reposted.

Unlike with your second scenario, I've seen posts crop up within the same day and they're all gratified and praised like as if people hadn't seen them before when their short attention spans fail to tell them that they did see it before very recently.

Could've been different people. This happened all the time with me seeing something for the first time in my life, while comments were full of complaints of it being reposted once a week.

Karma-whoring is especially bad when it’s just all bots doing it. There were many instances where even comments on karma posts were bot generated. Upvotes were much likely bot generated too.

Destroys the human element.

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Reposting

Have an upvote and absolutely meaningless award in form of an icon that I need to pay for first. Kind sir.

Low-effort repetitive comment chains too, preferably.

Long comment chains of song lyrics where each comment adds another line. They can fuck right off.

Especially the ones where they put in juuuuuust enough effort to make it less funny.

I do enjoy a good pun thread, though.

Slightly altering a repost to make it seem new

Making same joke but worse

And my cutting tool that consists of a heavy edged head fixed to a handle with the edge parallel to the handle

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Shutting down questions with any variation "just Google it" It always irks me when someone goes "bro you know Google exists right" like if I wanted to Google it I wouldn't be asking it here

Sometimes the question isn't about the answer but about the interaction.

And preserving knowledge in an additional space

People also forget that Google doesn't give the same results for everyone. Sure you could use incognito mode, but how many people are going to do that when they're looking for normal stuff?

I would say circlejerking. The Bean meme was very Reddit like, but maybe it is necessary to build an online community to have posts like that?

I kind of enjoy the circlejerking to an extent. It’s like watching fads come and go in real time, and I like seeing these dumb memes evolve over a week or two before disappearing

Circlejerking is incredibly fucking stupid, but I eat up stupid humour like candy so I personally support it. As long as serious/discussion spaces don't get contaminated, ofc

The bean thing felt very cringey and forced imo

I'm glad that's over. I would hate it when whole subreddits would get taken over with an inside joke for days at a time.

maybe it is necessary to build an online community to have posts like that?

I'm pretty sure it is, but that bean meme was a little bit too much. On the other hand I can understand how people on this new platform are craving the feeling of community that memes and insider jokes evoke.

How's about they stop trying to migrate Reddit subs over to Lemmy as communities? That would be nice. I don't want a Reddit substitute. I want a new thing that puts Reddit entirely in the past. I want a fresh start, not a Reddit clone. Reddit sucked for a lot of reasons. I could go on and on. Stop replying to comments with "this" as well. But, mostly, I'd like to see people from Reddit moving over to here with zero Reddit nostalgia. Say goodbye to your favorite Reddit subs, stop trying to re-create them over here in the Fediverse. Instead, have some imagination and create new, original communities and kick the whole Reddit vibe to the curb for once and for all.

Disagree — while the larger communities tended to get kind of lame, Reddit’s smaller communities were quite worthwhile. I want that to continue, just not on Reddit.

I'm really not talking about smaller communities. I'm talking about the ones that made the Reddit brand. Like AITA, for example. A lot of the smaller communities could be discussion boards anywhere because they're so small and they are a niche. If there was an Aardvark Lovers sub on Reddit, I'm all in for an Aardvark Lovers sub on Lemmy. Do I really want to see a lot of the same big subs? No. A lot of what I see on YSK is stuff I don't need to know, don't care about, didn't change my life or affect me at all, whether it's on Reddit or Lemmy. My point, which you did not get, is that I don't want a Reddit clone.

We definitely need a little bit of the cloning and imagination - to get the niche communities on here - which was what I actually used reddit for mostly. The rest was background noise/scrolling.

Why not recreate subs as communities? Sure assume subs could maybe be consolidated into a single community, but other time subs seemed to act just like communities here. Is there some aspect of communities in not seeing/ understanding? Or is that moreso just your opinion?

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I agree. If something is sought after that also was on Reddit, it will come up here. No need to force it. I wonder if copy-pasting Reddit subs here would goad people into the same behavior this thread points out many people would like to avoid?

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Edit: added a word and comma.

Edit 1: wow guys thank you so much.

Edit 2: Rip my inbox.

Edit 3: Ok guys Im going to sleep.

Pointless comment trying to be a contrarian to just add /s at the end.

Shut the fuck up

I appreciate a little footnote to explain what was edited, but yes to all the rest

And if its just a typo? Use strike through, then you can leave your funny typo and correct it

The SFW porn network needs not to be called the SFW porn network. No communities named CarPorn or UniformPorn or, worse, AbandonedPorn or AnimalPorn.

Asking why they're being downvoted when they clearly have more upvotes. Also, starting a comment with "I'm going to get downvoted for this but".

With the first one, there are bots that will try to control the conversation by downvoting one side before people with a brain read the comments.

Usually, the person asking about the downvotes don't change their comments after the initial barrage.

Power moderators. There is no justifiable reason for one person to own hundreds of major subs.

The problem there is finding someone else to do the work for free.

If someone is a mod of more than a handful of forums/subs/mags/whatever I kind of doubt they're able to dedicate enough time to mod properly anyway.

It just became a thing to collect to show you were part of the "in" crowd.

The only justification I could think of is someone providing CSS services to different subs. Instead of modding/demodding for every issue, they just stay on and work as needed.

/r/EnoughXSpam

What is the point of a community about hating seeing spam of a certain topic if all the community does is spam about the topic?

Underrated comment. I understand making a comment every now and then that's negative (people should be free to reasonably complain) but whole subs devoted to hating on something create the most toxic environments and echo chambers on the internet while inadvertently contributing to the popularity of the thing they hate. The universe grows what you give attention to so I think its best to focus your attention on things you love instead of what you hate.

Probably the weirdos that drown in an ocean of their own cum whenever a woman is mentioned.

That's just teenagers. They will arrive eventually if Lemmy gets more popular.

Nope, a lot of them are grown ass adults.

Yeah reddit has been like this since 2010 back when reddit mainly consisted of 30 year old men

At a certain point took like 5 years for me to notice on reddit was when summer would hit the site would be shit, I tossed it up to the kids arrived, again.

Hi, it's me, a teenager on Lemmy :')

That's ok, just want to make sure you're not like those teenagers

Okay, pretend I mentioned a female celebrity you like... are you still with us? How are you feeling?

It's amazing for how much this place is supposed to be decentralized and open, hours much you all want to control messaging, themes, and already are having fight over fight on who to defederate from.

Twice now I've seen claims of "This instance just exists to support <something bad>! Defederate them!"

Meanwhile I'm subscribed to what appear to be completely normal, reasonable communities on those instances that seem to have nothing to do with the bad thing. Think topics like computer networking and home improvement, stuff like that.

Can we go easy on jumping to the "This instance" claims? Yes, some unsavory communities have been started on various instances. Those instances have, in general, addressed the issues when they were brought to their attention... Can we reserve the nuclear defederation option for repeat offenders or technical issues?

Only Tangentially related but I keep reading "Defederate" as "Defenestrate". Which is a way better way to deal with rogue instances IMO.

@limelight79@lemm.ee

Honestly not fan of defederation. I believe the answer should be giving users the ability to block instances. Maybe in the future versions of lemmy.

Can you share a list of your subscribed communities? I need to bulk up

For home improvement, I've been using !homeimprovement@lemmy.world. For computer networking, !networking@sh.itjust.works. sh.itjust.works was one of the ones I saw people screaming to defederate because someone started a community there that most people (including me) found problematic. (Pretty sure the admins deleted it when they became aware.)

Beyond that...what topics interest you? Pretty pictures? Try !pixelpassport@lemm.ee or !earthporn@lemmy.ml .

Cats? !cat@lemmy.world is pretty active already, as one might expect...

I have a few geographically local subscriptions, as well as a sports team...a few TV shows like Futurama and The Simpsons...other hobbies...etc.

what are your favorite communities for home improvement?

The only one I know of is !homeimprovement@lemmy.world (sorry if I didn't get that link correct). Not much traffic yet, but a few people have posted issues.

(Note - I used home improvement as an example of a general type of community that I subscribe to. I don't know if lemmy.world was one of the ones I saw people pushing to defederate.)

Experience has shown that too much blue-eyed-ness and openness towards trolls with bad intentions ruins a space very quickly. I can understand people want to put some thought into avoiding this before it happens.

I mean you're highlighting some points that support how open and decentralized that this place is?

It seems there is a healthy sentiment among users and understanding the tolerance paradox. Beyond that the ability to discuss around what we (an instance) wants vs what we (Lemmy) wants vs what we (individual users) want is great. The option the federate and defederate is also great, as if there is an instance adding 0 value to any of those prior groups (like lemmy.online), you as a community can decide to not federate. You as a user don't like that choice? You can go to another instance or make your own! The level of openess and control is really in your hands.

"You win the internet!" Anything "sir" or "gentlesir" leave that shit in the 2010s

"Kind stranger", "Came here to say this" (no one cares)

Unfunny puns.

I actually liked those, probably because I also do a lot of dad jokes irl. I didn't know so many people were annoyed by them.

It's mainly cos they end up being the top 3-upvoted comments on a thread asling a serious question like "[SEERIOUS] How do I not die of cancer"

Cue: Top 3 answers being puns on death or cancer. It gets irritating after a while. :/

Probs won't be a big deal on Lemmy since the comments are default-sorted by New instead of Top.

You make it sound like the real issue is people being flippant at seirous descussion, all I van say is learn to know when to nest comments and dont joke at the dieing

You can always collapse the shitty joke threads, over and over, because they never end on reddit.

No, it's not just that. That was just an extreme example.

It's more the fact evweryone seems to be training to be a stand up comedian with the lowest form of wit known to man - the pun.

Cute cat falls over - "Floof floofed".

Horse bites person - "That animal ain't horsing around"

Can we just have normal comments without everyone trying so fuckign hard to be funny? The only purpose of those try-hards is they want karma.

Notice the puns don't seem to be a thing on Lemmy? Cos karma isn't a thing!

I was a 16yr 'veteran' on Reddit. I know how the site worked and works. I can collapse comments fine and was perfectly able and knew I'd have to skip past the top 3-4 comments of a post.

The only sin bigger than the puns is the poor variety of people commenting on the ways they "spit out their coffee" at how FUNNEH said pun was. It gets tiresome. Really, really fuckign tiresome.

If you knew someone in real life who made the same jokes every 5mins, every single day - you'd probably cut them out of your life because you found them dull to be around.

That's how Reddit felt.

Guilty of this - both the dad jokes and some of my all-time upvoted comments being puns.

Cynicism and despair. There are no better words to describe reddit today than these two. Why do they argue endlessly over nothing? Because to them, nothing matters.

You can see that sentiment start popping up in the comments with the newest influx, but I hope sincerity will win out in the end this time.

Especially the pointless cynicism of a “Didn’t happen” reply. My single most powerful change to make Twitter a less toxic place (ho, ho) when I used it was to block @DHOTYA_ and related keywords and anyone who used them.

Pn the reddit side, i started lurking !savethirdpartyapps@reddit same topics over here but... people were being brought in circles by the same claims being repeated by the "nothing matters" people, the fact the debate was harrassed into hopelessness. The problems of these people were adressed to be not hopeless 15,12,7 and 4 threads ago. Its frustrating!

Although I'm sure this is highly optimistic, I'd love to avoid the toxic behaviors that were free to grow on Reddit. The most hateful words I've ever read were on Reddit; I'm already seeing it happen here. It would be wonderful if discourse was welcomed here and promoted without all of the toxic back and forth. What was more harmful was a large amount of one-sided bans dealt out by mods of a certain variety. As long as the mods agreed with someone's stance it didn't matter how obscene a comment made, was. Let's try and be better than Reddit in more than one way.

Seriously. I've been IP banned from reddit for a while, just because I made a vague comment on my main account while also having a burner that I just say my opinions on.

These just sound like the behaviours of your average pudding brain internet user. I don't think it's a Reddit thing, and it will 100% continue in Lemmy.

If this hasn't been said yet, "this is the way"

I can't stand "this is the way". Everytime I read it I imagine the person saying it having absolutely no personality or uniqueness about them. Feels like the ultimate NPC statement.

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What I will miss from Reddit:

  • relevant discussions on every minute, niche topic available
  • hitting a button and having it usually work (Lemmy growing pains are tough sometimes, I had to try repeatedly to get this comment up)

What I will not miss from Reddit:

  • Low quality content, including, to be blunt, images with text (and calling them "memes")
  • joke subs in general
  • joke subs where the people that joined later don't know it's supposed to be a joke
  • silly repetitious comment chains
  • "we did it, Reddit!"
  • subs that were supposed to be about real advice/drama but were flooded with bad creative writing

Good news: the low quality memes are here! We'll work on the rest in the morning

The good thing is one can block entire communities without issue in order to personalize the experience. It was already vital in Reddit for me, so I'm happy to do it from the start here. I don't hate meme subs or anything and I'm glad they're having fun, it's just not what I want of this site. Or outrage bait subs.... or sports subs... or gacha games subs... or cringe-focused subs... or -you get the drill. Happily blocking is easy and harmless to them.

Yeah. If only jerboa actually did it. Instead I've been blocking things just to see them still in my feed.

I haven't seen an unironic "we did it reddit!" in years. It turned into a parody of itself

Atleast the second point on your 'missed' list is generally instance related (atleast in my experience).

The only issues with buttons not working I had was when I didn't realise my instance was down to update to 0.8.1

Atleast the second point on your ‘missed’ list is generally instance related (atleast in my experience).

True, and I am aware of that. But just speaking of the user experience, it is a pain point that I'm currently experiencing that I wasn't when using Reddit (aside from the occasional "You Broke Reddit" outage periods).

That's not a criticism of Lemmy, I mean I lived through Friendster's cripplingly poor performance, Twitter's failwhale, and the bad early days of Reddit. Performance issues with new, growing social media sites is to be expected. But for the time being, I do miss being on a more stable platform.

This is attempt #2 to submit this reply. Let's see if it works...

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needlessly hostile "gotcha" type responses that dont take into consideration the end users needs, use cases, or goals.

Im sorry in advance if I ever do that to anyone i need slapped.

Tolerating bigots.

Where is the line between when someone disagrees and when they become a bigot?

"All POC suck" - bigot.
"No they don't" - someone who disagrees.

You're welcome.

I mean, I've never heard someone say the first one. Does that mean I've never seen a bigot?

I think part of the problem is that people don't tend to read the comments on anything before they comment themselves. So you get the same old jokes repeated over and over and people thinking their opinions are really niche and groundbreaking when the exact same opinions are all over that same comment section.

The arrogance. Already see a lot of it here, unfortunately.

Exactly. As someone who is modest I hate this. Prolly the most modest. More modest than 99% of the people here.

Im soooooo modest that I know your lying to me. Thats how modest I am! oh, lemmy, wheres my keys to my jet? I swear I left them on the seat of the lambo and there not there! DID YOU TAKE THEM?! /s

EDIT: Oh... I sound like a smartass, sorry buddy, i was playing the role of the "humble" not arracking you

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Especially people who double down on their stupidity/arrogance/trolling. They get downvoted but keep arguing.

I had to talk shit 2 days in on Lemmy because someone who created their account 3 days before mine thought he was an expert.

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I dont think redundant questions are the problem. But people's historically short responses on reddit definitely were. Responses like "have you tried googling it" or "the question has already been answered, try searching before you post" do nothing but ostracize the person asking and make communities unwelcoming. I would like to see Lemmy more understanding, as to encourage and attract novice individuals in communities they are interested in

A way to more seemlessly link conversations together is kinda critical.

Seemless crossposting that shows you the comment as if it were a part of the conversation, kinda like a symlink.

Commenter links his post to an existing thread, collapsed by default mabe, and it puts the thread there as if it were always part of the conversation hirarchy

Sorry ive seen this question before, its redundant

I feel like before 2015 reddit was way more free speech focused. Now it seems like every sub will ban you because they don't like you politically or you violated rule 15b paragraph 2.

Basically every sub is run by tiny elons with a power trip.

Yeah if you have a politically different opinion you get banned for "Trolling" as if it's impossible for someone to genuinely believe something they disagree with. This is already happening on lemmy unfortunately

All the hivemind from reddit. The love for random celebrities. Keanu Reeves doesn't care for any of us here. The love for recycling facts everyone already knows. I don't need to read about how the Appalachian mountains go up to Scotland again.

I remember when Jennifer Lawrence was the hottest shit according to reddit. Then she said something that reddit didn't like and suddenly she's the worse.

Echo chamber, calling people "redditors", talking about the site as if everyones a community and knows eachother. It contributes to the hive mind. Just talk to people like normal people. Also, the writing style of anyone telling a story- at least the 4chan ">be me" is funny. The reddit style of just adding too much detail, snarky remarks, and the (22M) after every pronoun.

be me
reads comment about leaving greentext behind on lemmy
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writes comment that politely disagrees

I think we should keep them. They can be occasionally funny. I do get that this writing style definitely not for everyone though.

No I like greentext, its funny. I was saying the Reddit text isn't funny- it just sounds annoying.

Can you give an example?

I sometimes will write in a 'telling a funny story' style that is a little more ornate than everyday speech to make it more comic in tone throughout.

Some of thats not a bad thing in moderation

Just talk to people like normal people.

We are talking over text in an abstract conversarion structure (comment trees), in a place where you write your message on the wall and mabe some day (usually soon) someone will see it and write a reply back.

Whatever "normal" is, is what we make it. Hense the point of the post

Dang. Reddit and Lemmy are just technologically advanced bathroom stalls.

And twitter are the bathroom stall walls and a sharpie.

It's slowly turning into the dead bird that drowned in one of the stools because it was too sick to get out

How do we say "anyone that can chip onto the conversation" in a few words. If "Redditors" ("Lemmings"?) fails that task.

Just say "people"

"Hey people, XYZ!" vs "Lemmings, XYZ!" "Hey, XYZ!"

"People here, whats X" vs "Lemmings, whats X" vs "Whats X"

"I want the people here to know X" vs "I want lemmings to know X" vs "I want you to know X"

Is it better, the same or missing the point English wants titles for groups adressed, "guys" being the only word that has implied boundries rather than well defined ones, redditors use "guys" about as often as "redditors"

Most redditors use "whats X"

r/kinda_relevant_sub

As the only text. No, just stop. Add something to the conversation please.

We need a new unit of measurement to replace the banana.

I have mixed feelings about this one… I’m willing to try on other things for size but no promises

  • Repost spam and karma farmers.
  • Also the bots that simulated activity by reposting the top posts with their highest upvoted comments from a year ago.
  • Cross-site/server bans because you posted in a community that the moderators of the one you are trying to post in don't like. Sadly already happening with many servers defederating from each other.

Defederating is fine and I think it's a necessary evil to combat spam and problematic shit which wouldn't even be allowed on Reddit, i.e. jailbait, loli/shota artwork, involuntary/revenge porn, bestiality, rampant hate speech.

The problem is when you have a bot banning you from dozens of subreddits because you posted a single comment or voted on something within a community like /r/kotakuinaction, /r/tumblrinaction, /r/watchredditdie, /r/subredditcancer or anywhere else they deem a "hate subreddit."

The narwhal bacons at midnight, or whatever the fuck it was. Just ask people if they've heard of Lemmy lol, we don't need some code phrase

The lemmy in the hole spins 3 times counterclockwise.

On the other hand, this was during the time Reddit was the most fun. Granted I thought this was stupid even back then.

I hope the stupid koala/sunfish/panda copypastas burn with reddit. It was kind of funny at first, but then it started actually convincing people that a bunch of species legitimately deserve to go extinct for... taking up an ecological niche?

Reminds me of how people used to laugh about blobfish. Then they realized that the deep sea fish - adapted to incredible pressure - doesn't take rapid decompression well.

I've never seen anyone taking the copypasta seriously enough to consider wanting these species to go extinct. Do you have any links that show these kinds of people?

But koalas are nature's retards..

I don't actually know about the other two. Now you've got me curious.

unfunny jokes about windows or dumb random tv show quotes as top rated comments

Probably the leftist echo chamber thing. You know, a place where people can't just assume everyone agrees with their extreme political opinions, everyone hates Trump and loves Biden, everyone has no issue with homosexuality or trans kids or drag queens etc. You know.

"People who make pun threads should be drug out into the street and shot"

Also there was that one user who'd write these Uwu Cute Baby Animal poems in baby talk and would get upvoted and jacked off in the comments ad nauseum. Like, the Rupi Kuar of Baby Animal Content Farms. The William McGonagall of Wholesome 100 Circlejerking

Why do you have issue with people having fun? How about you just ignore things you don't like and stop trying to force people to meet your standards.

I'm complaining about things in a thread that's about complaining. I apologize if I rubbed you the wrong way but I'm not gonna interfere or police conversations about things I find mildly annoying.

Your concerns are reasonable and I've been that asshole before but rage-posting and cruising for arguments has always left me feeling like shit. Unmedicated Crudman on Facebook circa 2018 was intolerable.

Puns

Puns are the highest form of comedy. I will die on this hill if I must.

They're, the problem is that most redditors don't actually know how to use good and funny puns

They’re, the problem is that most redditors don’t actually know how to use good and funny puns

You used "They're" correctly, but in the most unconventional way. Thanks, I hate it 😅

Very true. Puns are one of the hardest forms of comedy to pull off.

I don't think you're going to have the same level of control over the speech of others on here as you had on reddit.

You would be wrong. Lmao

Yeah you're right. It might actually be easier to try to get all users across all instances to abide by a set of agreed upon social norms than it would be if there was only one instance (reddit).

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Downvotes. If the post/comment is inappopriate, report it. If you disagree strongly with the point reply. If you don’t just move on with your day.

If downvote isn't a disagree button, then upvote shouldn't be an agree button either. Anyway, whenever you give people a single set of binary options to "react to a comment" (true/false, yes/no, on/off) they'll always interpret it however they want.

I reserve downvotes solely for comments that don't contribute to the discussion. For example, if my comment said "I like ginger tea with lemons" as a reply to your comment about downvotes, I would downvote it.

If everyone would do it this way, downvotes could filter out noise. But even I found myself klicking at the downvote button for disagreeing with somebody. Maybe call it a noise button instead and give it a different icon?

I think that downvotes became so heavily used as a disagree button because they were linked to visibility and, especially in political forums, it was a way of burying your opponent's good arguments and then you could promote the weaker arguments. I sincerely believe that it's some poor fucker's job to go through and do this, although the whole chatGPT stuff means they're going to find themselves out of work soon.

If it’s innocently irrelevant I either ignore it or reply “I don’t get it”. Either the commenter realised they replied in the wrong place or you get a fascinating insight into the thought processes that made it seem worth their time typing out.

Agreed, the downvote button is not a disagree button.

I decided to never downvote anyone here. Debating on if that extends to bots or not though.
I've come close to breaking that rule, but I'm pretty sure I haven't yet.

Even bots should have the error of their ways explained to them (or rather their handlers). If they don’t listen and learn then it’s time for the mods to drop the ban-hammer.

I've become so anti-bot recently, I don't want to see any of them here. Reddit is absolutely drowning in them. The comment stealing bots were the tipping point for me. And then seeing "content" bots here aggravated me.

It makes me wonder if I'll be an old man yelling at the damned androids when they're walking around in the future lol

Oh right, the spam bots infested the place. I think it’s inevitable that if this place gets popular enough it’s going to suffer many of the same issues as Reddit. It’s not about the tech it’s about the people and people never change.

I think/hope that without karma the incentive to spam bots won't be here. We'll see.

Honestly, I think the downvote button was made for a hellhole, its helpful for only those trying to derail a conversation with their own anger or sadness, "why not get a mod?" ...you got me

So I see you've got 8 downvotes for saying this, that's because some people have a stupid personal rule that says if someone complains about downvotes then they should be automatically downvoted. This is a stupid redditism. Downvote me as well if you want but know that here we can see who you are if we decide we actually give a shit.

That’s why I’m so pleased that Liftoff! only shows the aggregate number. It’s so much calmer here when you don’t even notice that some proportion of people here are mashing that stupid downvote button.

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Once we have critical mass, I think we can have meaningful discussions. However, if 300 million threads users become regulars in these instances, expect the worst of redditism. Every comment will be memes or jokes.