using the internet causes cancer, look up 5G it's an internet thing sheeple
I got one that's actually true.
Part of the male ejaculate is produced in the prostate and that is also where a bunch of carcinogens end up. Ergo no fap might give you cancer eventually. Ejaculation prevents cancer!
Sigh. *Unzips*
Damn that explains why I was diagnosed at 20. It wasn't because women in autism is severely underdiagnosed, it was because I had only recently gotten it by diligently voting in every election since turning 18! 😫
a follow might be: Do the people know better vote? Can they?
This is the correct perspective. As it turns out, a huge amount of people that believe Bill Gates is injecting 5G chips into people absolutely don't vote. If you recall, the first amendment nuts in the loser convoys and a bunch of the J6 defendants weren't even registered to vote and yet they screeched election interference. For an election they didn't even bother to vote in.
2020 was one of the highest blue voter turnouts in national history making record first time voters in their 30s and 40s.
So yes, it should be pointed out that everyday people turning out to vote against this brain rot is just as important whether or not magats and human vegetables are voting too.
A lot of them can't anymore though 😔
And they breed. What's that saying? The meek shall inherit the earth?
They've been working on a COVID vaccine since the SARS epidemic, but that fact won't stop the stupid.
Also, cancer isn’t one disease but a whole class of diseases. And we actually do have vaccines that prevent certain forms of cancer, like the HPV vaccine.
I WONT LET MY KID GET THE HPV VACCINE. IT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH NO CONSEQUENCES
Ma'am, pregnancy is still a consequence of sex as you obviously should know after having 5 kids.
if she grew up with a certain kind of religious education, it's possible she still might not have drawn that particular connection
There is also a lung cancer vaccine made in Cuba, called CimaVax (I think).
There's some hurdles to getting it though, depending on where you are.
Also, the amount of computational power that was made available for COVID research was recorded breaking.
If you were on Folding@home at that time, they couldn't get enough WU out fast enough for a while. Gamers really showed up and helped.
Yeah, it helps when you have a mind-boggling amount of computers across the world crunching your data.
Also, why wouldn't they use a cancer vaccine for a "mind control" or "tracking chip".
I always found the tracking chip conspiracy stuff to be particularly funny. Unfortunately, I never personally met any whackos that believed it.
The best method for very accurately tracking them was the thing they likely used to post about the COVID vaccine tracking you.
Belief isn't needed.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine.
https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218
And Bill Gates talking about doing it in a reddit AMA.
Yes. The Jannsen and Oxford vacancies.
However, vaccines using mRNA technology are VERY new.
The thing that bothers me the most about (mostly right-wing) anti-covid propaganda is that they use the argument that it was rushed to market. The vaccines were rushed to market thanks to an FDA emergency provision that removed a lot of the "red tape" that companies normally have to go through to get any medical item into the hands and/or bodies of consumers.
So many right-wing politicians campaign on the promise of removing red tape and getting rid of these things that protect all of us. This is literally what they say they want.
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose...
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose...
The only right wing value is the acquisition of power and influence, that's why they don't hold to any position, they will just stand wherever benefits them the most in that moment.
And by they, you mean the right wind politicians in power.
The people who vote for them are constantly voting against their immediate interests.
If we had some sort of ranked choice, a lot of these one-issue voters might actually have a choice in their representation. Which would be good for all of us.
The origin of a word is largely distinct from how people use it in the modern day.
Broadly speaking, left wing is about creating change, ideally for more equality or the betterment of all. Right wing is about conserving the status quo and traditional power hierarchies, because they are accustomed to benefiting from them.
So would ideologies like fascism, georgism, anarcho-capitalism, ethno-nationalism, etc be left-wing?
When in doubt, remember that oncentration camps are not compatible with "equality or betterment of all".
So then what are they- since they aren't ideologies about conserving the status quo?
Concentration camps protect establishment power.
Not the current governing establishment(unless they're FDRs)
Also, these vaccines were not developed in under a year. There was literally several DECADES of research and testing on coronavirus vaccines (anyone remember SARS), and mRNA / adenovirus vaccine tech.
Saying these were rushed is a flat out lie.
They were rushed in that they did rush to accelerate the development- largely through increased funding. However, that does not make them unsafe. Of course investing more into research can generally speed it up.
The only thing that was accelerated was the scale of the tech infrastructure and the testing to target this specific variant of coronavirus. Coronavirus vaccines, and the modern technology to deliver the vaccines, was developed and piloted long before the COVID 19 started floating around.
We were lucky AF.
Generally right-wingers oppose efficacy requirements not long term safety trials- the COVID vaccine simply did not have enough time for that. Or they oppose the FDA entirely- which is a different thing because then you could hold drug companies liable rather than them being able to lean on the FDA for protection.
Vaccines against coronavirus have been in development for decades. The urgency for them really ticked up with in the early 2000's with SARS coronavirus floating around. Also the tech for quickly developing mRNA vaccines has been in the works since the 80's.
HIV is a very different virus and we do have pretty good treatments to prevent infection (prep) and stop HIV from becoming AIDS. I have someone in my family that has had HIV for decades and he is going to die from old age, not AIDS.
Cancer, like a broken leg, is not a virus. It's an entirely different medical problem.
you raise a good point. we still don't have vaccines for broken legs either. this puts the reality of all other supposed vaccines into further doubt.
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/s in case that wasn't clear
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Well, I've heard about this one guy named Logan who got a vaccine for broken bones.... After he got it, he never broke a bone in his body again.
.... He also got sweet blades that come out from his hands.
Also significant parts of mRNA vaccine research were built on HIV research! Fighting HIV/AIDS directly led to the technologies that let us make the Covid vaccine possible. We really do "stand on the shoulders of giants" - we build new knowledge based off the work of those who came before us!
mRNA vaccines yes, not more traditional vaccines like J&J- but generally true.
There IS the HPV vaccine, which is basically a cancer vaccine for one set of cancers.
I guess you could say the same thing about hepatitis vaccines.
HPV and hepatitis are not cancer, but they can increase the risk of certain cancers. Often times the best way to beat cancer is to limit exposure to the things that can increase the risk of getting it.
Immunotherapy is also often called cancer treatment vaccine. And HepB vaccine also protects from liver cancer associated with Hep B.
Also good to remember there's also newer tech like alphafold from the deepmind project - using AI to really, really accelerate development.
To these people an apple isn't an orange. They can't tell that they're both fruit.
Thanks for explanation.
The worst part about this is that the MRNA tech used in the COVID vaccine was developed specifically to make cancer vaccines.
And mRNA vaccine technology has been advancing for decades. It's disingenuous to suggest that "it only took ten months."
There were also early coronavirus vaccines being developed with mRNA tech to fight SARS and MERS. I have a friend who got the MERS vaccine as part of a test group.
And it came together with new rapid prototyping technologies for vaccines, and far better computer modeling than anything anyone has ever had before. Like, there were a bunch of technologies that just happened to be coming into maturity at almost the same time, and between those technologies and the combined powers of most of the major vaccine labs on the face of the planet, and the near-infinite money to tie all of that in a nice package, a vaccine was developed in 10 months
It's really a story of humanity actually pulling their shit together and deciding to throw all their chips in a pile, as it were.
I was already amazed by the vaccines' development but this really put into perspective just how fortunate we were and how Herculean the effort was to do it. It truly is awing what can be accomplished when the tools and our collective will are combined for a singular purpose.
They scream about it, but MRNA tech & the other advancements involved enabled us to get from zero-to-vaccine in record time, and I'm convinced that because of that, my 84yo mother with COPD is still here!
They call it conspiracy, I call that victory!
Partially enabled. Without mRNA we still would have had J&J and Astrazenica.
Why the fuck are these idiots so weirdly obsessed with Gates. He's a fuckin' retired OS monger, not a supermegapolyscientist
His foundation is heavily invested in vaccinating populations in the global south. On paper at least – I don't trust billionaires or their foundations, most of it is tax evasion anyway.
Say what you want about bill gates, but that guy is the second highest donor to the world health organization, only behind the USA (yes, the country). Beats even all the other countries
billg knows how to spend it.
I'd rather tax the rich and let the people decide what to do with their money than trust all billionaires to do the right things.
This particular person is on a mission to do to malaria what science and governments did to smallpox, eliminate it from existence forever. You don't spend 80 billion dollars to save on your taxes. He's no perfect saint, but there are rich people who are more selfish.
Because if you notice, the conspiracy theories tell them to hate anyone that's mildly helpful to humanity and celebrate sociopaths like Trump. Gates isn't perfect but as far as philanthropy related work, he did some decent things sometimes.
JFK conspiracy theorists would disagree.
You can't logically lump all conspiracies together like that.
he's really rich and has paid lip service to liberal ideas, that's enough
Gives them someone other than themselves to hate.
He was also very friendly with Epstein...
Honestly at this point what rich cunt isn't
god i hate gates and wish he never did this whitewashing bullshit but these vaccine dumbasses have as many brain cells as their iq value
There are two reasons for no AIDS vaccine: 1) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that targets the immune system and 2) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that is primarily associated with a group that one political party has a contingent that wants that group dead
More on 2: even though it's also transmitted via blood transfusions and other "innocent" ways, the main transmission risks are unprotected sex and shared needles when using drugs.
No way conservative, religious countries are putting up a grand effort to find a vaccine for promiscuous young people and drug users either, even if they aren't gay.
Oh absolutely. Ending a needle exchange program in the 21st century gave Indiana a massive aids problem. Currently due to different cultural perceptions straight people are more at risk of hiv than gay people in some places.
And also yeah, what actually made the US government take aids seriously was a young boy getting it from a blood transfusion. He was young enough that it was obvious he wasn’t having gay sex or doing drugs.
There’s an idea with HIV much like HPV that you got it due to life choices and so you deserve it. But it’s important to understand here that AIDS is an absolutely fucking horrific death and nobody deserves it. It’s a death where you’re so weak you may die from a common cold. And for the worst of it in the 80s, it was alone with doctors afraid to touch you as holy men screamed how you deserved it.
Also I believe AIDS virus mutates very rapidly, which makes it harder in that sense to develope a vaccine for it.
Well that's a good news I like seeing in these sea of sad news.
oh sure another possible hiv vaccine that certainly wont be forgotten in a month
The point is that some viruses are harder to pin down than others.
They found a 100% effective way to place microchips on our bodies within just 10 months? Damn, I didn't know science had advanced that much.
I thought they did that when they jabbed our heels when we were kids
I can pay with my wrist now.
we have been microchipping our pets for decades
They're referring to the people that think Gates funded vaccine research as a spy program, like they don't own Android phones.
Or Apple phones, or Amazon echo devices, or the entire surveillance economy.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine.
And a skin dye pattern has what, exactly, do with microchips and GPS blood trackers?
Cuz if you think those are the same thing you're going to go wild when you hear about other kinds of tattoos.
It's the gates funded spy program you referred to. You don't need compute resources or location tags. Just a way to store data on a person.
Get vaccinated, get tattooed
Passed your driving test, get tattooed
Pay your tax, get tattooed
Arrest at a protest, get tattooed
Etc.
As a general rule, I don't panic over things that can be done in an excel spreadsheet too.
Do you often tattoo excel spreadsheets on your body?
Do you think the same basic technology hasn't been available for 10,000 years?
It's very easy to physically mark someone permanently.
Tattoos, brands, scarring, disfigurement, you're a hell of a dumbass if you think this must be some grand conspiracy methodology.
If they want to track your records, it's called a database. If they want to physically mark you there's much simpler methods.
And no one's added it to a vaccine because... Drumroll...
It's a dumbass waste of resources and time.
By the way, your goalpost moving wasn't unnoticed. This is just as equally stupid as the microchip theory and worth mentioning directly anyways.
Invisible instant tattoos delivered in the same way as a vaccine? That is new. It's not easy to mark someone without them knowing.
Gates funded. Tick.
Spy program (covert tattooing). Tick.
You're the one moving the goalposts by inventing new GPS tracking strawmen arguments.
Lul, ok buddy. Have fun with the mental breakdown in a Montana bunker.
yeah its a stupid premise, but this is still a bad argument
Nah it's fine
you can't seriously argue something has been developed for ten months if the technology has existed for decades...
Ignorance appears to be like rabies in at least one way, once it rots enough of your brain you become fearful of anything and everything around you.
I’ve come to think that stupidity is the default condition of humans. And I don’t mean in the sense of “you start off not possessing much knowledge.” I mean stupidity, not ignorance.
If you study some evolution and anthropology, you learn that the brain is an incredibly expensive organ. Most life forms opt for a lower level of intelligence that’s good enough to get some food in their face and their genitals where they need to go. The brain is a massive risk and it’s miraculous how it’s managed to pay off in our case.
Still, thinking is hard work. I think most people would rather do hard physical labor than actually think hard about something difficult. The brain itself functions like a shortcut machine, too. It doesn’t do hard calculations on where that tennis ball is going to bounce. It makes a “good enough” guess, and that’s it. People instinctively look at what other people are doing because it’s so much easier to let your neighbor figure it out and then copy them. And, yes, people love to subscribe to a worldview, political position, or belief set that someone else is selling and just let them do all the big thinking for them.
You could look at it as willful self deprivation, and it is, but I think it’s also just the basic gravity of pure resource management constantly pulling people down into lower levels of mental activity. Thinking takes a tremendous amount of energy.
What an interesting take, fits my world view perfectly.
Rings pretty true in the face of trans advocacy. In our case it's really hard to fight a very simple take on something that seems like an easy "fact" because to do so depends on an understanding of a pretty specific psychological condition that dovetails into some complex social and philosophical principles and a history of how we got medically to the place we are in regarding treatment that really weren't mainstream knowledge... And still kind of aren't because people are more easily sold 90's mad scientist logic over the structures that exist.
Like trans folls and their loved ones often become versed in psychology, phillosophy, history and sometimes endocrinology as a matter of survival. It's way more efficient for most people who don't need to constantly defend their quality of life to just shut it all down and repeat the thought terminating cliches, feel like they are the arbiters of truth while leaving damn near everything on the table untouched.
I relate very hard to it being like fighting the gravity of low mental resource allocation. It can feel like being crushed.
Oh yeah being trans throws a whole lot of heavy thinking at people. The worst kind: having to rewrite long-settled assumptions. I find it pretty easy to modify my long held definitions of gender. It’s really just recognizing the difference between sex and gender, which I’ve always known. But even I struggle to remember pronouns and names for people I have known all my life who then transitioned. And I’m willing and trying. There are folks with no trans people in their (probably very small) immediate lives and they just can’t overcome that gravity to make the change, don’t see why they should have to bother, and this leads directly to them trying to cancel the entire category of thought. It’s depressing as fuck to see people get up and fight to defend their mental laziness.
I mean for a lot of people it's pretty easy to understand once it's someone they care about.
If a random salesperson calling your friend ma'am makes her whole damn week why wouldn't you do that for someone you care about?
I feel like half the issue with a lot of advocacy is we go a little too far into the intellectual stuff? I mean it definitely helps to know that the ethical underpinnings of the movement are epicurean but like... You go over someone's head you rarely get em in the heart.
I think it's arrogance that is the default condition. Specially if you are educated, because now you feel confident your opinions are correct, and others are wrong and must be stupid.
This is mostly why people don't get along very well. Everyone thinks they are right and they have this need to fight people who says something differently.
Massive downvotes with no comments is a sign of this behavior.
I'm not sure that last sentence tracks, if people need to fight people who disagree, wouldn't they be leaving comments, vocally disagreeing/verbally attacking the other user or their position? Just downvoting and moving is still "getting along" so to speak.
Downvoting is the lazy version of that....just press a button if you don't agree with something. It's a bit like giving reviews to people based on what you think about what they write.
You call it "lazy," I call it time management. No one has the time or intellectual bandwidth to respond to all the deeply stupid comments on the Internet, so downvotes give us a quick and easy to register our opinion and move on.
Explains all the memes being popular I guess... Minimum effort :)
And tribalism is really strong. For many it doesn’t matter if what they’re fighting against is actually logical, as long as they’re doing it together and they have a common enemy like some nonexistent deep state that was made up by the Russians to sow dissent in the United States
"Things I don't understand make me scared!"
I remember when the anti GMO, anti pharma, anti vaxx nuts were the fringe of the fringe left and now they're mainstream conservatism sigh
It's the woo to Q pipeline.
Let's not get it twisted, you grouped all those like it's the same. I believe in science and vaccines, but fuck big pharma with a rust pole.
This goes with being mRNA free that some anti-vaccine people tout around. They did their research well enough not to figure out what mRNA is.
Hahahahaha
In fact, there are vaccines against some cancer types. There's a virus, which is responsible for almost all womb cancer cases. Here in Germany, the vaccine is free, if you're under 20 iirc.
The HPV vaccine will pretty much make cirvical cancer a thing of the past too.
Now also being given to males as HPV is linked to anal and penile cancer.
And men mostly spread it to women, who develop cervical cancer.
Papilloma virus👌
I'm mad, but for the wrong reason. I'm mad we haven't invested enough in research for cures to other things.
AIDS treatment has changed a lot though. It’s not the wasting death sentence it used to be.
Cancer is a trickier beast, because it’s so essential to what we are. Very closely tied to aging. But cancer treatment has changed a lot too. There are actually some cancers which are highly treatable and in some cases eliminated with a single shot. Look up Rituxan.
Yeah there are living people who contracted aids in the 80s. Like it’s kinda night and day culturally and you can get whiplash reading accounts of the time. Huge name powerful people were completely helpless and then suddenly it was an unpleasant treatment but you’d live. And now we have prep and pep. Literally there’s plan b for hiv available in every emergency room in the developed world
With all those miracles, it galls me that some people are still down on medicine because there isn’t a simple one-shot “cure.” It’s like the small pox vaccine made people think that until someone is a one-shot deal, science has failed.
I'm also mad that we, apparently, haven't invested enough in education.
I like the suggestion that cancer only existed for 100 years
I'm trying to find a reason for it, but I know it's just stupidity.
The first innoculation was in 1796. The first lab manufactured vaccine in 1872.
Maybe they're stuck in mental childhood and learned vaccines were a century old in the seventies!
more likely 100 is the biggliest number they could think of
Both my parents didn't want the vaccine because they were scared of side effects. Both of them have multiple chronic diseases . My dad lungs are basically dead from chaine smoking for 50+ years.
They miraculously survived getting coronavirus twice.....
Thank god cigarettes don't have side effects 🙏
But chain smoking for 50 years was perfectly acceptable.
He did have a very difficult childhood and he was so addicted he basically constantly smoked and i mean almost every second of his waking life . If you think cigarettes aren't that addictive think again. He had like 4 to 5 packs (20 cigarettes each ) daily.
One of the worst parts is that there are many valid reasons to criticize Bill Gates with regards to the COVID vaccine (mainly as it pertains to his intellectual property crusade leading to a few companies getting to dictate the rollout and screwing over the Global South in the process), but it's all drowned out by these idiots screaming about microchips.
Honestly it seems a lot of these "conspiracy theories" are just bullshit stories spoon fed to stupid people to keep them chasing their own tails and distract from the real issues.
Since the dawn of man
~Religion has entered the chat.~
That's because all of that is too complicated for these simpletons to understand. They think "intellectual property" is a smart guy's personal belongings.
Yes. The Oxford vaccine should have been open source. Gates money changed that.
Poor Dolly Parton.
She help fund a vaccine and no one is banging on about her vaccine causing you to get a large blonde hairdo (we all know it's a wig), and large breasts.
There is no democracy in the targeting of people who've helped fund development. I think they've missed a trick.
Think I've just had an idea about an article taking the piss out of anti -vaxers.
I mean there's been so much research towards AIDS that it's not the death sentence that it was in the 80s.
However, there probably would have been even more progress had Reagan not stifled progress
Yeah I was going to say the reason there hasn't been significant progress on a HIV virus isn't because it isn't possible but because for the longest time the bodies that could provide funding for the research thought HIV killing 'the gays' was a desirable outcome....
Maybe 30 years ago.
But in the last 20 years there has been a lot of of funding towards prevention and researching a cure.
An HIV vaccine has proven itself to be an extremely elusive target.
But with recent developments in biotechnology, it may not be much longer before we finally have get one.
not to mention being undetectable, untransmisable, uninfectable and no symptoms even when poz on PrEP - although not technically a "cure" is still pretty damn close
Vaccines are typically meant to protect against viruses or bacteria. Cancer is neither of those. hiv is a virus but the political will to produce effective treatments was not always there. I think a lot of young people underestimate the homophobia that was pervasive not all that long ago and how it was tied to the aids epidemic.
There are some promising efforts for vaccines against cancer. It's teaching your immune system to kill cells that were supposed to die on their own. It's a relatively recent development, though.
Plus, as should always be stated with cancer treatments, there is no singular "cancer". It's a class of related problems that need to be handled individually. Vaccine against prostate cancer shouldn't be expected to work against breast cancer. Anything that claims to cure cancer in a blanket way should be treated with great suspicion.
The mrna vaccines that allowed us to quickly target covid were under development for targeting cancers. We all got super lucky to be honest.
I mean also isn't the hpv vaccine kinda functionally a cancer vaccine
Oh boy, that could also go horribly wrong too, what if a cell is a little bit retarded in it's growth for some reason but would develop into a useful cell but, NOPE body killed it.
It could, but it's also improving on something your immune system already does. Out of all the trillions of cells undergoing division in your body all the time, a few of them go cancerous each and every day. Your immune system almost always takes them out. It's the one time out of a bajilion that things go wrong.
Also, doesn't HIV mutate really quickly?
How can they even compare them? Nobody even suggested that COVID is similar to the other two. Cancer isn't even a virus and left to their own devices COVID is probably the less dangerous one.
Also cancer isn't just a single disease, there are multiple conditions that can lead to cancer and they all have different chances of survival.
Actually, you're wrong on that "Nobody even suggested that COVID is similar" remark. Nobody credible, or Nobody who knows what they're talking about and not lying, then sure, you're probably right. However antivaxers and disingenuous scientists absolutely have been doing that since covid was discovered.
Despite the retraction, bad actors don't care. They got a "study" and headline to confirm their beliefs, so they just act like retraction never happened and just lie lie lie. Echo chambers allows this to run unchecked, and then you have people believing they're equal.
I like how they just added those question marks with a pen
The best thing for my family was that we were in St Jude with our daughter while the rest of the world lost their minds. I was able to speak directly to Infectious Disease doctors that had nothing to do with anything but researching for cancer patients. They had worked with the original doctors for the Covid vaccine, and how long it had been in development as we learned more about the disease. People were just going off ignorance. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean everyone else is trying to lie to you.
I hate people who are unwilling to learn and even proud of it
It's only just recently surged in popularity but been around for ages. Issac Asimov coined it "the cult of ignorance".
Why do I suspect they don't even know what a virus is? Like they hear the word on the news but have no idea what it means, they just know virus means disease and never cared to learn about the underlying biology.
Cancer can be caused by a virus, but it can also be caused by other things.
There are cancer vaccines already approved and many more in trials. There is no singular "cancer", though, so they have to work through each type individually.
It's called school and when you vilify school this is what happens.
Well to be fair, there are some parts of school that's just propaganda ahem "OUR COUNTRY IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD" ahem
I don't want to comment on that. Every time i did i was called all kind of names so huh... Yeah , USA is the best country in the world and they never did anything wrong, ever. Go USA.
I will say that I'm pretty sure I remember learning about things like the founding fathers owning slaves, slavery being the biggest single factor behind the civil war, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, and Watergate, among other things, in AP US history in high school. My class also definitely learned about the Trail Of Tears.
That being said, 1. elementary school was still much more about saying the pledge before class and it wasn't until high school until we started to get into the good stuff, and 2. this was in the infamous anti-American commie hellscape that is the state of California, so take that as you will.
Kids don't have to say the pledge and they should be informed of that. They aren't.
My daughter has refused to say the pledge since fifth grade, as is her legal right to do so according to SCOTUS (West Virginia v. Barnette 1943). She came to this idea totally on her own, I didn't prompt her at all. She just said to me, "I think it's stupid to say a pledge to a flag." I was proud of her and supported her. I had to get involved with her teacher because she got in trouble over it.
She's in seventh grade now and still refuses to say it. Kids give her a hard time about it constantly, but she is adamant that she is not going to say a pledge to a flag.
She's also old enough now to know what that flag stands for and is even less inclined.
Go, your daughter. I wish someone had told me that was an option when I was her age.
Sure there is. It’s called birth control.
I thought we were all supposed to drop dead in 2 years, the cookers were all banging on about that at one point when they weren't punching horses and thinking the government used laser weapons on them and not that they got sunburnt from spending the day in the sun "protesting"
AiDS destroys the immune system, you CAN'T make a vaccine for it.
There are some experimental cures that do seem to work at least in rats. But yeah there's no vaccine you just have to get sick and then get the cure and hope it works.
And also be a rat.
Once destroyed definitely... But couldn't a vaccine prevent it from getting to that point?
That would be an HIV Vaccine
Well, some vaccines are therapeutic in nature, where it's beneficial to take it while you have symptoms. Some vaccines are only helpful before you get a symptom, for example rabies.
I guess the above made it sound like there definitely can't be a therapeutic vaccine. But unclear about a preventative vaccine.
Their point is AIDS is the syndrome you get after it is too late and your immune system no longer works. The vaccine would be for Human Immunodeficiency Virus
Oh gotcha
That's just pedantic
It's more like saying "I miiiiiight be able to cure cancer, that's a bit tough and would require a lot of luck... I definitely can't cure death though."
HIV also rapidly mutates
There's a cervical cancer vaccine
Technically there's a vaccine for HPV, which has been shown to be one of the leading causes of cervical cancer. However, it is believed that at least 80% of women will have HPV sometime in their life and the cervical cancer rate is no where near that. Thus the vaccine only decreases the risk, it is not a vaccine for cervical cancer though.
By that standard the COVID vaccine isn't a vaccine either.
This actually gets me thinking... Is anyone actually working on an aids vaccine? Maybe mRNA could do something there, theoretically it should be able to grant pretty much any type of immunity you can have naturally
Yes, they are working diligently to ID an effective mRNA vaccine, but the same barriers exist as before. First, HIV mutates rapidly, meaning it easily escapes immunity and evades vaccines. Second, as a retrovirus, it integrates its DNA into a person's own cellular DNA, so even if your immune system destroys the virus, the DNA remains undetectable to the immune system and able to manufacture new virus at will.
(Responding to the picture here) As for cancer, it's not a virus or bacteria, which is what vaccines have typically worked against. Cancer is your immune system failing to kill a cell from your own body that has mutated to grow out of control. They're rapidly developing mRNA techniques for cancer, too.
COVID was a fucking walk in the park immunologically compared to cancer and HIV
Yeah, retroviruses are a hard nut to crack. Either you try to target the virus and leave the cells alone, which is the hard route, or you target the specific DNA sequence of the virus, which forces the body to start murdering itself.
I wish we could add friends on lemmy cause I like the cut of your jib
There have been recent breakthroughs in that area along this exact line of thought, actually.
PreP is a really effective tool for now while research continues. Your chances of getting HIV while taking the medication correctly reduces your chances to a very very small percentage. Of course, nothing is perfect, but it's been great for the gay amab community.
They are, but every time they get close to a cure god sends a hurricane to destroy the lab and kill all the atheists inside it
Stop building the labs on the Gulf of Mexico?
These clueless twats think they are very smart.
NO PERIODS IN 50YEARS NO LOWERCASE LETTERS IN25 YEARS
Also they can't work out how to type question marks, so they'll have to be drawn in after.
no periods in 50 years
Should see an obgyn about that
it's not that they are stupid, they are attention hungry losers that will believe manufactured drivel like this because it makes them feel special, because they have "knowledge" that unenlightened masses don't, and they prefer it over reality
Sounds kind of stupid
I have an aunt who at the beginning of the pandemic noticed that an old can of Lysol or something said it was effective against coronaviruses.
This was proof to her that the government engineered COVID and knew of the pandemic in advance (and I guess told Lysol about it). I linked her the Wikipedia page for coronaviruses and that shut her up.
You think she is still reading?
Some say so.
This is the most believable vaccine conspiracy I have seen yet. Everything else is stupidly far fetched, but replacing with saline and getting everyone to get on with their lives is a lot more believable then anything else I have seem. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened in some places in the world.
China and Russia both rolled out domestic pride vaccines that were far less effective than either mRNA kind, so, while not quite saline, something along those lines.
If it was saline, how come people got sick taking it?
People at work were always sick after they took the vaccine.
If I am playing Devils Advocate and pretending I supported this conspiracy theory, then my response would simply be "because they caught covid".
Now if you were to follow up with "how come the test was negative"? my response would be "I believe that the government is lying about the vaccines being real, do you really think I believe the tests work accurately"?
*I don't actually believe this. I just think it would have been the easiest conspiracy theory for anti-vaxxers to run with.
The part of the poster that says, "Time to install your update", as in, "inject you with microchips from Microsoft and here's a picture of Bill Gates in case what I'm saying isn't clear"? Is that the believable one?
I wonder what the motivation would be to inject people with salt water. We'll go to the expense of getting needles, people trained on how to use them, rent sites, sanitation, and I guess all of that so people can feel like their governments are doing good jobs and hope nobody involved tells anyone.
I actually didn't even notice that part of the poster. It doesn't necessarily have to be saline, it could also be a vaccine that was proven ineffective, or had very low efficacy.
The motivation is simple, get people back to work. The people who write the laws are in the same circle as the people who own the businesses. Covid was generally very bad for business, hence why the government juiced the market with stimulus.
I am not saying that happened in developed countries, just that it would be a somewhat believable conspiracy theory if that's what they went with. Instead of focusing on supposed illnesses, Bill gates, magnetism, microchips and lizard people.
If only we could make stupidity painful.
Unfortunately it's only painful for the rest of us.
Is anyone looking into if its a polarity issue on that one or...?
So many fucking dumbasses in this world. Fucking smh. Fucking pieces of shit.
People really like to throw their opinions at everyone else even if they don't understand anything on the subject. I remember seeing a post on Facebook saying something along the lines of:
a virus that dies with soap and water and they haven't found a cure yet?
Circlejerk ragebait thread.
Its funny because the only reason cancer vaccines are even becoming a thing is because of mRNA technology. then of course the stupid of grouping cancer as all one thing like hey, there is no virus vaccine.
my MIL watches a pastor chris from the loveworld megachurch. over the years i’ve listened in on tirades about covid and depopulation eugenics, it’s all very wild and very “we are always under attack” and positively crazy.
No overcooked chicken vaccine, no falling down stairs vaccine, but sure vaccines are real.
Other than tasting bad and being dry, what's harmful about overcooked chicken?
It can be pretty hot depending on when it was cooked
The cleaning lady at my building thinks she's smarter and knows better than doctors, teachers, scientists, professors and researchers.
How did we get to this point where people can't accept that they don't know everything, and narcissism has reached cleaning ladies who now think they're geniuses?
how did we get to this point
Social media
We had those kind of people forever, it's just now thanks to social media that they can feed of each other's paranoia.
Agreed. Even back in the days of old, each village had their idiot. Now all the idiots can connect and further their idiocy whenever they like.
It's fascinating. These people can easily accept that they are physically worse then celebrity sports people. They can admit to running slower than Usain Bolt, but they can't admit to themselves that they are dumber than someone who has studied in their field for years and years?
That's apples, oranges, and ...passion fruits. They're simply not the same. Besides, it's quite pessimistic to imagine that the effort scientists have put into vaccine development, and all knowledge acquired, haven't taught us a trick or two.
I always need to watch a video about the ISS, or NASA in general, after seeing photos like this.
I dunno. Watching the wrong kind of videos is how you end up unironically believing things like this.
I'm not gonna get angry today 'cause it's Friday and am about to get drunk to meditate.
Yea no stupidity vaccine either. Wake up, sheeple. This is a simulation. To exit the simulation, you'll need to terminate the processes running on this matrix machine. The so called "Covid" is actually our lord and savior attempting to liberate us from this Simulated Hell. The so called "Vaccine" is a virus trying to prevent us from exiting the matrix. "Death" is a lie invented by evil Bill Gates trying to scare us and to keep us under his control his his matrix. Rise, people. Exit simulation. "Death" isn't real, it's just exiting the simulation. Do not allow yourself to be enslaved any longer. Lets end this simulation, today. Escape the matrix!
/s
They definitely think Bill Gates is Jewish.
He's not. No Jewish ancestry and his current practice is a sort of casual Catholic thing, but he also thinks Dawkins is cool, so about what you'd expect. That's from a quick Wiki check, but still.
Because if he's on their poster...
I assume that they're asking why there is still no cancer vaccine?
Gardasil has entered the chat...
I don’t know him. Is that a Harry Potter character?
Not sure if serious... but it's a vaccine that reduces cervical cancer by about 70%.
Ah, I don’t know any specifics about cancer treatment. Thanks.
Didn't they make the vaccine in few days? It just took 10 months or so to get it approved
SARS an MARS viruses and vaccines are not new, they have been researched for probably 40-50 years
Exactly, Covid is a variant of a pretty well known class of virusses. The research on mRNA vaccines was pretty advanced as far as I gathered but testing them in trials isn't something you can easily do. There's a lot of hoops to jump through to justify trials with human subjects. When the burden of disease isn't very impactful it's hard to justify trials. Once covid came screeching around the corner suddenly the justification was easy to argue.
The vaccine had been in development for decades.
The gain-of-function lab COVID-19 escaped from was properly researching just that kind of thing.
The extremelyinfuriating part: these people vote.
Voting causes autism, look it up sheeple.
using the internet causes cancer, look up 5G it's an internet thing sheeple
I got one that's actually true.
Part of the male ejaculate is produced in the prostate and that is also where a bunch of carcinogens end up. Ergo no fap might give you cancer eventually. Ejaculation prevents cancer!
Sigh. *Unzips*
Damn that explains why I was diagnosed at 20. It wasn't because women in autism is severely underdiagnosed, it was because I had only recently gotten it by diligently voting in every election since turning 18! 😫
Caprinae exists! Look up sheeple!
a follow might be: Do the people know better vote? Can they?
This is the correct perspective. As it turns out, a huge amount of people that believe Bill Gates is injecting 5G chips into people absolutely don't vote. If you recall, the first amendment nuts in the loser convoys and a bunch of the J6 defendants weren't even registered to vote and yet they screeched election interference. For an election they didn't even bother to vote in.
2020 was one of the highest blue voter turnouts in national history making record first time voters in their 30s and 40s.
So yes, it should be pointed out that everyday people turning out to vote against this brain rot is just as important whether or not magats and human vegetables are voting too.
A lot of them can't anymore though 😔
And they breed. What's that saying? The meek shall inherit the earth?
This is a stupid arguments, TBH.
There's no argument....
They've been working on a COVID vaccine since the SARS epidemic, but that fact won't stop the stupid.
Also, cancer isn’t one disease but a whole class of diseases. And we actually do have vaccines that prevent certain forms of cancer, like the HPV vaccine.
I WONT LET MY KID GET THE HPV VACCINE. IT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH NO CONSEQUENCES
Ma'am, pregnancy is still a consequence of sex as you obviously should know after having 5 kids.
if she grew up with a certain kind of religious education, it's possible she still might not have drawn that particular connection
There is also a lung cancer vaccine made in Cuba, called CimaVax (I think).
There's some hurdles to getting it though, depending on where you are.
Also, the amount of computational power that was made available for COVID research was recorded breaking.
If you were on Folding@home at that time, they couldn't get enough WU out fast enough for a while. Gamers really showed up and helped.
Yeah, it helps when you have a mind-boggling amount of computers across the world crunching your data.
Also, why wouldn't they use a cancer vaccine for a "mind control" or "tracking chip".
I always found the tracking chip conspiracy stuff to be particularly funny. Unfortunately, I never personally met any whackos that believed it.
The best method for very accurately tracking them was the thing they likely used to post about the COVID vaccine tracking you.
Belief isn't needed.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine. https://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218
And Bill Gates talking about doing it in a reddit AMA.
Yes. The Jannsen and Oxford vacancies.
However, vaccines using mRNA technology are VERY new.
The thing that bothers me the most about (mostly right-wing) anti-covid propaganda is that they use the argument that it was rushed to market. The vaccines were rushed to market thanks to an FDA emergency provision that removed a lot of the "red tape" that companies normally have to go through to get any medical item into the hands and/or bodies of consumers.
So many right-wing politicians campaign on the promise of removing red tape and getting rid of these things that protect all of us. This is literally what they say they want.
Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose...
The only right wing value is the acquisition of power and influence, that's why they don't hold to any position, they will just stand wherever benefits them the most in that moment.
And by they, you mean the right wind politicians in power.
The people who vote for them are constantly voting against their immediate interests.
If we had some sort of ranked choice, a lot of these one-issue voters might actually have a choice in their representation. Which would be good for all of us.
What does "left wing" and "right wing" mean?
https://www.history.com/news/how-did-the-political-labels-left-wing-and-right-wing-originate
The origin of a word is largely distinct from how people use it in the modern day.
Broadly speaking, left wing is about creating change, ideally for more equality or the betterment of all. Right wing is about conserving the status quo and traditional power hierarchies, because they are accustomed to benefiting from them.
So would ideologies like fascism, georgism, anarcho-capitalism, ethno-nationalism, etc be left-wing?
When in doubt, remember that oncentration camps are not compatible with "equality or betterment of all".
So then what are they- since they aren't ideologies about conserving the status quo?
Concentration camps protect establishment power.
Not the current governing establishment(unless they're FDRs)
Also, these vaccines were not developed in under a year. There was literally several DECADES of research and testing on coronavirus vaccines (anyone remember SARS), and mRNA / adenovirus vaccine tech.
Saying these were rushed is a flat out lie.
They were rushed in that they did rush to accelerate the development- largely through increased funding. However, that does not make them unsafe. Of course investing more into research can generally speed it up.
The only thing that was accelerated was the scale of the tech infrastructure and the testing to target this specific variant of coronavirus. Coronavirus vaccines, and the modern technology to deliver the vaccines, was developed and piloted long before the COVID 19 started floating around.
We were lucky AF.
Generally right-wingers oppose efficacy requirements not long term safety trials- the COVID vaccine simply did not have enough time for that. Or they oppose the FDA entirely- which is a different thing because then you could hold drug companies liable rather than them being able to lean on the FDA for protection.
you raise a good point. we still don't have vaccines for broken legs either. this puts the reality of all other supposed vaccines into further doubt.
::: spoiler spoiler /s in case that wasn't clear :::
Well, I've heard about this one guy named Logan who got a vaccine for broken bones.... After he got it, he never broke a bone in his body again.
.... He also got sweet blades that come out from his hands.
Also significant parts of mRNA vaccine research were built on HIV research! Fighting HIV/AIDS directly led to the technologies that let us make the Covid vaccine possible. We really do "stand on the shoulders of giants" - we build new knowledge based off the work of those who came before us!
mRNA vaccines yes, not more traditional vaccines like J&J- but generally true.
There IS the HPV vaccine, which is basically a cancer vaccine for one set of cancers.
I guess you could say the same thing about hepatitis vaccines.
HPV and hepatitis are not cancer, but they can increase the risk of certain cancers. Often times the best way to beat cancer is to limit exposure to the things that can increase the risk of getting it.
Immunotherapy is also often called cancer treatment vaccine. And HepB vaccine also protects from liver cancer associated with Hep B.
Also good to remember there's also newer tech like alphafold from the deepmind project - using AI to really, really accelerate development.
https://alphafold.ebi.ac.uk/
Absolutely blows my mind.
To these people an apple isn't an orange. They can't tell that they're both fruit.
Thanks for explanation.
The worst part about this is that the MRNA tech used in the COVID vaccine was developed specifically to make cancer vaccines.
And mRNA vaccine technology has been advancing for decades. It's disingenuous to suggest that "it only took ten months."
There were also early coronavirus vaccines being developed with mRNA tech to fight SARS and MERS. I have a friend who got the MERS vaccine as part of a test group.
And it came together with new rapid prototyping technologies for vaccines, and far better computer modeling than anything anyone has ever had before. Like, there were a bunch of technologies that just happened to be coming into maturity at almost the same time, and between those technologies and the combined powers of most of the major vaccine labs on the face of the planet, and the near-infinite money to tie all of that in a nice package, a vaccine was developed in 10 months
It's really a story of humanity actually pulling their shit together and deciding to throw all their chips in a pile, as it were.
I was already amazed by the vaccines' development but this really put into perspective just how fortunate we were and how Herculean the effort was to do it. It truly is awing what can be accomplished when the tools and our collective will are combined for a singular purpose.
They scream about it, but MRNA tech & the other advancements involved enabled us to get from zero-to-vaccine in record time, and I'm convinced that because of that, my 84yo mother with COPD is still here!
They call it conspiracy, I call that victory!
Partially enabled. Without mRNA we still would have had J&J and Astrazenica.
Why the fuck are these idiots so weirdly obsessed with Gates. He's a fuckin' retired OS monger, not a supermegapolyscientist
His foundation is heavily invested in vaccinating populations in the global south. On paper at least – I don't trust billionaires or their foundations, most of it is tax evasion anyway.
Say what you want about bill gates, but that guy is the second highest donor to the world health organization, only behind the USA (yes, the country). Beats even all the other countries
billg knows how to spend it.
I'd rather tax the rich and let the people decide what to do with their money than trust all billionaires to do the right things.
This particular person is on a mission to do to malaria what science and governments did to smallpox, eliminate it from existence forever. You don't spend 80 billion dollars to save on your taxes. He's no perfect saint, but there are rich people who are more selfish.
Because if you notice, the conspiracy theories tell them to hate anyone that's mildly helpful to humanity and celebrate sociopaths like Trump. Gates isn't perfect but as far as philanthropy related work, he did some decent things sometimes.
JFK conspiracy theorists would disagree.
You can't logically lump all conspiracies together like that.
he's really rich and has paid lip service to liberal ideas, that's enough
Gives them someone other than themselves to hate.
He was also very friendly with Epstein...
Honestly at this point what rich cunt isn't
god i hate gates and wish he never did this whitewashing bullshit but these vaccine dumbasses have as many brain cells as their iq value
There are two reasons for no AIDS vaccine: 1) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that targets the immune system and 2) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that is primarily associated with a group that one political party has a contingent that wants that group dead
More on 2: even though it's also transmitted via blood transfusions and other "innocent" ways, the main transmission risks are unprotected sex and shared needles when using drugs.
No way conservative, religious countries are putting up a grand effort to find a vaccine for promiscuous young people and drug users either, even if they aren't gay.
Oh absolutely. Ending a needle exchange program in the 21st century gave Indiana a massive aids problem. Currently due to different cultural perceptions straight people are more at risk of hiv than gay people in some places.
And also yeah, what actually made the US government take aids seriously was a young boy getting it from a blood transfusion. He was young enough that it was obvious he wasn’t having gay sex or doing drugs.
There’s an idea with HIV much like HPV that you got it due to life choices and so you deserve it. But it’s important to understand here that AIDS is an absolutely fucking horrific death and nobody deserves it. It’s a death where you’re so weak you may die from a common cold. And for the worst of it in the 80s, it was alone with doctors afraid to touch you as holy men screamed how you deserved it.
Also I believe AIDS virus mutates very rapidly, which makes it harder in that sense to develope a vaccine for it.
https://www.hiv.gov/blog/encouraging-first-in-human-results-for-a-promising-hiv-vaccine/
An HIV vaccine is in human trials
Well that's a good news I like seeing in these sea of sad news.
oh sure another possible hiv vaccine that certainly wont be forgotten in a month
The point is that some viruses are harder to pin down than others.
They found a 100% effective way to place microchips on our bodies within just 10 months? Damn, I didn't know science had advanced that much.
I thought they did that when they jabbed our heels when we were kids
I can pay with my wrist now.
we have been microchipping our pets for decades
They're referring to the people that think Gates funded vaccine research as a spy program, like they don't own Android phones.
Or Apple phones, or Amazon echo devices, or the entire surveillance economy.
MIT researchers have now developed a novel way to record a patient’s vaccination history: storing the data in a pattern of dye, invisible to the naked eye, that is delivered under the skin at the same time as the vaccine.
The research was funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
Motive is subjective but the funding isn't.
Uh huh.
And a skin dye pattern has what, exactly, do with microchips and GPS blood trackers?
Cuz if you think those are the same thing you're going to go wild when you hear about other kinds of tattoos.
It's the gates funded spy program you referred to. You don't need compute resources or location tags. Just a way to store data on a person.
Get vaccinated, get tattooed
Passed your driving test, get tattooed
Pay your tax, get tattooed
Arrest at a protest, get tattooed
Etc.
As a general rule, I don't panic over things that can be done in an excel spreadsheet too.
Do you often tattoo excel spreadsheets on your body?
Do you think the same basic technology hasn't been available for 10,000 years?
It's very easy to physically mark someone permanently.
Tattoos, brands, scarring, disfigurement, you're a hell of a dumbass if you think this must be some grand conspiracy methodology.
If they want to track your records, it's called a database. If they want to physically mark you there's much simpler methods.
And no one's added it to a vaccine because... Drumroll...
It's a dumbass waste of resources and time.
By the way, your goalpost moving wasn't unnoticed. This is just as equally stupid as the microchip theory and worth mentioning directly anyways.
Invisible instant tattoos delivered in the same way as a vaccine? That is new. It's not easy to mark someone without them knowing.
Gates funded. Tick. Spy program (covert tattooing). Tick.
You're the one moving the goalposts by inventing new GPS tracking strawmen arguments.
Lul, ok buddy. Have fun with the mental breakdown in a Montana bunker.
yeah its a stupid premise, but this is still a bad argument
Nah it's fine
you can't seriously argue something has been developed for ten months if the technology has existed for decades...
Ignorance appears to be like rabies in at least one way, once it rots enough of your brain you become fearful of anything and everything around you.
I’ve come to think that stupidity is the default condition of humans. And I don’t mean in the sense of “you start off not possessing much knowledge.” I mean stupidity, not ignorance.
If you study some evolution and anthropology, you learn that the brain is an incredibly expensive organ. Most life forms opt for a lower level of intelligence that’s good enough to get some food in their face and their genitals where they need to go. The brain is a massive risk and it’s miraculous how it’s managed to pay off in our case.
Still, thinking is hard work. I think most people would rather do hard physical labor than actually think hard about something difficult. The brain itself functions like a shortcut machine, too. It doesn’t do hard calculations on where that tennis ball is going to bounce. It makes a “good enough” guess, and that’s it. People instinctively look at what other people are doing because it’s so much easier to let your neighbor figure it out and then copy them. And, yes, people love to subscribe to a worldview, political position, or belief set that someone else is selling and just let them do all the big thinking for them.
You could look at it as willful self deprivation, and it is, but I think it’s also just the basic gravity of pure resource management constantly pulling people down into lower levels of mental activity. Thinking takes a tremendous amount of energy.
What an interesting take, fits my world view perfectly.
Rings pretty true in the face of trans advocacy. In our case it's really hard to fight a very simple take on something that seems like an easy "fact" because to do so depends on an understanding of a pretty specific psychological condition that dovetails into some complex social and philosophical principles and a history of how we got medically to the place we are in regarding treatment that really weren't mainstream knowledge... And still kind of aren't because people are more easily sold 90's mad scientist logic over the structures that exist.
Like trans folls and their loved ones often become versed in psychology, phillosophy, history and sometimes endocrinology as a matter of survival. It's way more efficient for most people who don't need to constantly defend their quality of life to just shut it all down and repeat the thought terminating cliches, feel like they are the arbiters of truth while leaving damn near everything on the table untouched.
I relate very hard to it being like fighting the gravity of low mental resource allocation. It can feel like being crushed.
Oh yeah being trans throws a whole lot of heavy thinking at people. The worst kind: having to rewrite long-settled assumptions. I find it pretty easy to modify my long held definitions of gender. It’s really just recognizing the difference between sex and gender, which I’ve always known. But even I struggle to remember pronouns and names for people I have known all my life who then transitioned. And I’m willing and trying. There are folks with no trans people in their (probably very small) immediate lives and they just can’t overcome that gravity to make the change, don’t see why they should have to bother, and this leads directly to them trying to cancel the entire category of thought. It’s depressing as fuck to see people get up and fight to defend their mental laziness.
I mean for a lot of people it's pretty easy to understand once it's someone they care about.
If a random salesperson calling your friend ma'am makes her whole damn week why wouldn't you do that for someone you care about?
I feel like half the issue with a lot of advocacy is we go a little too far into the intellectual stuff? I mean it definitely helps to know that the ethical underpinnings of the movement are epicurean but like... You go over someone's head you rarely get em in the heart.
I think it's arrogance that is the default condition. Specially if you are educated, because now you feel confident your opinions are correct, and others are wrong and must be stupid.
This is mostly why people don't get along very well. Everyone thinks they are right and they have this need to fight people who says something differently.
Massive downvotes with no comments is a sign of this behavior.
I'm not sure that last sentence tracks, if people need to fight people who disagree, wouldn't they be leaving comments, vocally disagreeing/verbally attacking the other user or their position? Just downvoting and moving is still "getting along" so to speak.
Downvoting is the lazy version of that....just press a button if you don't agree with something. It's a bit like giving reviews to people based on what you think about what they write.
You call it "lazy," I call it time management. No one has the time or intellectual bandwidth to respond to all the deeply stupid comments on the Internet, so downvotes give us a quick and easy to register our opinion and move on.
Explains all the memes being popular I guess... Minimum effort :)
And tribalism is really strong. For many it doesn’t matter if what they’re fighting against is actually logical, as long as they’re doing it together and they have a common enemy like some nonexistent deep state that was made up by the Russians to sow dissent in the United States
"Things I don't understand make me scared!"
I remember when the anti GMO, anti pharma, anti vaxx nuts were the fringe of the fringe left and now they're mainstream conservatism sigh
It's the woo to Q pipeline.
Let's not get it twisted, you grouped all those like it's the same. I believe in science and vaccines, but fuck big pharma with a rust pole.
This goes with being mRNA free that some anti-vaccine people tout around. They did their research well enough not to figure out what mRNA is.
Hahahahaha
In fact, there are vaccines against some cancer types. There's a virus, which is responsible for almost all womb cancer cases. Here in Germany, the vaccine is free, if you're under 20 iirc.
The HPV vaccine will pretty much make cirvical cancer a thing of the past too.
Now also being given to males as HPV is linked to anal and penile cancer.
And men mostly spread it to women, who develop cervical cancer.
Papilloma virus👌
I'm mad, but for the wrong reason. I'm mad we haven't invested enough in research for cures to other things.
AIDS treatment has changed a lot though. It’s not the wasting death sentence it used to be.
Cancer is a trickier beast, because it’s so essential to what we are. Very closely tied to aging. But cancer treatment has changed a lot too. There are actually some cancers which are highly treatable and in some cases eliminated with a single shot. Look up Rituxan.
Yeah there are living people who contracted aids in the 80s. Like it’s kinda night and day culturally and you can get whiplash reading accounts of the time. Huge name powerful people were completely helpless and then suddenly it was an unpleasant treatment but you’d live. And now we have prep and pep. Literally there’s plan b for hiv available in every emergency room in the developed world
With all those miracles, it galls me that some people are still down on medicine because there isn’t a simple one-shot “cure.” It’s like the small pox vaccine made people think that until someone is a one-shot deal, science has failed.
I'm also mad that we, apparently, haven't invested enough in education.
I like the suggestion that cancer only existed for 100 years
I'm trying to find a reason for it, but I know it's just stupidity.
The first innoculation was in 1796. The first lab manufactured vaccine in 1872.
Maybe they're stuck in mental childhood and learned vaccines were a century old in the seventies!
more likely 100 is the biggliest number they could think of
Both my parents didn't want the vaccine because they were scared of side effects. Both of them have multiple chronic diseases . My dad lungs are basically dead from chaine smoking for 50+ years. They miraculously survived getting coronavirus twice.....
Thank god cigarettes don't have side effects 🙏
But chain smoking for 50 years was perfectly acceptable.
He did have a very difficult childhood and he was so addicted he basically constantly smoked and i mean almost every second of his waking life . If you think cigarettes aren't that addictive think again. He had like 4 to 5 packs (20 cigarettes each ) daily.
That's terrible, poor guy :0(
Did they get the vaccine then?
No.
One of the worst parts is that there are many valid reasons to criticize Bill Gates with regards to the COVID vaccine (mainly as it pertains to his intellectual property crusade leading to a few companies getting to dictate the rollout and screwing over the Global South in the process), but it's all drowned out by these idiots screaming about microchips.
Honestly it seems a lot of these "conspiracy theories" are just bullshit stories spoon fed to stupid people to keep them chasing their own tails and distract from the real issues.
Since the dawn of man
~Religion has entered the chat.~
That's because all of that is too complicated for these simpletons to understand. They think "intellectual property" is a smart guy's personal belongings.
Yes. The Oxford vaccine should have been open source. Gates money changed that.
Poor Dolly Parton.
She help fund a vaccine and no one is banging on about her vaccine causing you to get a large blonde hairdo (we all know it's a wig), and large breasts.
There is no democracy in the targeting of people who've helped fund development. I think they've missed a trick.
Think I've just had an idea about an article taking the piss out of anti -vaxers.
I mean there's been so much research towards AIDS that it's not the death sentence that it was in the 80s.
However, there probably would have been even more progress had Reagan not stifled progress
Yeah I was going to say the reason there hasn't been significant progress on a HIV virus isn't because it isn't possible but because for the longest time the bodies that could provide funding for the research thought HIV killing 'the gays' was a desirable outcome....
Maybe 30 years ago.
But in the last 20 years there has been a lot of of funding towards prevention and researching a cure.
https://avac.org/project/resource-tracking/
An HIV vaccine has proven itself to be an extremely elusive target.
But with recent developments in biotechnology, it may not be much longer before we finally have get one.
not to mention being undetectable, untransmisable, uninfectable and no symptoms even when poz on PrEP - although not technically a "cure" is still pretty damn close
Vaccines are typically meant to protect against viruses or bacteria. Cancer is neither of those. hiv is a virus but the political will to produce effective treatments was not always there. I think a lot of young people underestimate the homophobia that was pervasive not all that long ago and how it was tied to the aids epidemic.
There are some promising efforts for vaccines against cancer. It's teaching your immune system to kill cells that were supposed to die on their own. It's a relatively recent development, though.
Plus, as should always be stated with cancer treatments, there is no singular "cancer". It's a class of related problems that need to be handled individually. Vaccine against prostate cancer shouldn't be expected to work against breast cancer. Anything that claims to cure cancer in a blanket way should be treated with great suspicion.
The mrna vaccines that allowed us to quickly target covid were under development for targeting cancers. We all got super lucky to be honest.
I mean also isn't the hpv vaccine kinda functionally a cancer vaccine
Oh boy, that could also go horribly wrong too, what if a cell is a little bit retarded in it's growth for some reason but would develop into a useful cell but, NOPE body killed it.
It could, but it's also improving on something your immune system already does. Out of all the trillions of cells undergoing division in your body all the time, a few of them go cancerous each and every day. Your immune system almost always takes them out. It's the one time out of a bajilion that things go wrong.
Also, doesn't HIV mutate really quickly?
How can they even compare them? Nobody even suggested that COVID is similar to the other two. Cancer isn't even a virus and left to their own devices COVID is probably the less dangerous one.
Also cancer isn't just a single disease, there are multiple conditions that can lead to cancer and they all have different chances of survival.
Actually, you're wrong on that "Nobody even suggested that COVID is similar" remark. Nobody credible, or Nobody who knows what they're talking about and not lying, then sure, you're probably right. However antivaxers and disingenuous scientists absolutely have been doing that since covid was discovered.
Knowledge Fight is a podcast that critically analyzes Alex Jones and a few other grifters, and during 2020 and beyond they had so many lies and fake studies. One of Jones's big talking points was that COVID was a manufactured virus with HIV inserts, which originally came from a discredited, retracted, and non-peer reviewed study out of India that suggested such a thing. Another link: https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Caixin/Scientists-slam-Indian-study-that-fueled-coronavirus-rumors
Despite the retraction, bad actors don't care. They got a "study" and headline to confirm their beliefs, so they just act like retraction never happened and just lie lie lie. Echo chambers allows this to run unchecked, and then you have people believing they're equal.
I like how they just added those question marks with a pen
The best thing for my family was that we were in St Jude with our daughter while the rest of the world lost their minds. I was able to speak directly to Infectious Disease doctors that had nothing to do with anything but researching for cancer patients. They had worked with the original doctors for the Covid vaccine, and how long it had been in development as we learned more about the disease. People were just going off ignorance. Just because you don't know, doesn't mean everyone else is trying to lie to you.
I hate people who are unwilling to learn and even proud of it
It's only just recently surged in popularity but been around for ages. Issac Asimov coined it "the cult of ignorance".
Does this person think cancer is a virus?
Everything is a virus. Especially Wi-Fi.
Cyrus 'The Virus'!
Why do I suspect they don't even know what a virus is? Like they hear the word on the news but have no idea what it means, they just know virus means disease and never cared to learn about the underlying biology.
Cancer can be caused by a virus, but it can also be caused by other things.
There are cancer vaccines already approved and many more in trials. There is no singular "cancer", though, so they have to work through each type individually.
No vaccine against stupidity either. Coincidence?
It's called school and when you vilify school this is what happens.
Well to be fair, there are some parts of school that's just propaganda ahem "OUR COUNTRY IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD" ahem
I don't want to comment on that. Every time i did i was called all kind of names so huh... Yeah , USA is the best country in the world and they never did anything wrong, ever. Go USA.
I will say that I'm pretty sure I remember learning about things like the founding fathers owning slaves, slavery being the biggest single factor behind the civil war, Jim Crow, Japanese internment, and Watergate, among other things, in AP US history in high school. My class also definitely learned about the Trail Of Tears.
That being said, 1. elementary school was still much more about saying the pledge before class and it wasn't until high school until we started to get into the good stuff, and 2. this was in the infamous anti-American commie hellscape that is the state of California, so take that as you will.
Kids don't have to say the pledge and they should be informed of that. They aren't.
My daughter has refused to say the pledge since fifth grade, as is her legal right to do so according to SCOTUS (West Virginia v. Barnette 1943). She came to this idea totally on her own, I didn't prompt her at all. She just said to me, "I think it's stupid to say a pledge to a flag." I was proud of her and supported her. I had to get involved with her teacher because she got in trouble over it.
She's in seventh grade now and still refuses to say it. Kids give her a hard time about it constantly, but she is adamant that she is not going to say a pledge to a flag.
She's also old enough now to know what that flag stands for and is even less inclined.
Go, your daughter. I wish someone had told me that was an option when I was her age.
Sure there is. It’s called birth control.
I thought we were all supposed to drop dead in 2 years, the cookers were all banging on about that at one point when they weren't punching horses and thinking the government used laser weapons on them and not that they got sunburnt from spending the day in the sun "protesting"
AiDS destroys the immune system, you CAN'T make a vaccine for it.
There are some experimental cures that do seem to work at least in rats. But yeah there's no vaccine you just have to get sick and then get the cure and hope it works.
And also be a rat.
Once destroyed definitely... But couldn't a vaccine prevent it from getting to that point?
That would be an HIV Vaccine
Well, some vaccines are therapeutic in nature, where it's beneficial to take it while you have symptoms. Some vaccines are only helpful before you get a symptom, for example rabies.
I guess the above made it sound like there definitely can't be a therapeutic vaccine. But unclear about a preventative vaccine.
Their point is AIDS is the syndrome you get after it is too late and your immune system no longer works. The vaccine would be for Human Immunodeficiency Virus
Oh gotcha
That's just pedantic
It's more like saying "I miiiiiight be able to cure cancer, that's a bit tough and would require a lot of luck... I definitely can't cure death though."
HIV also rapidly mutates
There's a cervical cancer vaccine
Technically there's a vaccine for HPV, which has been shown to be one of the leading causes of cervical cancer. However, it is believed that at least 80% of women will have HPV sometime in their life and the cervical cancer rate is no where near that. Thus the vaccine only decreases the risk, it is not a vaccine for cervical cancer though.
By that standard the COVID vaccine isn't a vaccine either.
This actually gets me thinking... Is anyone actually working on an aids vaccine? Maybe mRNA could do something there, theoretically it should be able to grant pretty much any type of immunity you can have naturally
Yes, they are working diligently to ID an effective mRNA vaccine, but the same barriers exist as before. First, HIV mutates rapidly, meaning it easily escapes immunity and evades vaccines. Second, as a retrovirus, it integrates its DNA into a person's own cellular DNA, so even if your immune system destroys the virus, the DNA remains undetectable to the immune system and able to manufacture new virus at will.
(Responding to the picture here) As for cancer, it's not a virus or bacteria, which is what vaccines have typically worked against. Cancer is your immune system failing to kill a cell from your own body that has mutated to grow out of control. They're rapidly developing mRNA techniques for cancer, too.
COVID was a fucking walk in the park immunologically compared to cancer and HIV
Yeah, retroviruses are a hard nut to crack. Either you try to target the virus and leave the cells alone, which is the hard route, or you target the specific DNA sequence of the virus, which forces the body to start murdering itself.
I wish we could add friends on lemmy cause I like the cut of your jib
There have been recent breakthroughs in that area along this exact line of thought, actually.
PreP is a really effective tool for now while research continues. Your chances of getting HIV while taking the medication correctly reduces your chances to a very very small percentage. Of course, nothing is perfect, but it's been great for the gay amab community.
They are, but every time they get close to a cure god sends a hurricane to destroy the lab and kill all the atheists inside it
Stop building the labs on the Gulf of Mexico?
These clueless twats think they are very smart.
NO PERIODS IN 50YEARS NO LOWERCASE LETTERS IN25 YEARS
Also they can't work out how to type question marks, so they'll have to be drawn in after.
Should see an obgyn about that
it's not that they are stupid, they are attention hungry losers that will believe manufactured drivel like this because it makes them feel special, because they have "knowledge" that unenlightened masses don't, and they prefer it over reality
Sounds kind of stupid
I have an aunt who at the beginning of the pandemic noticed that an old can of Lysol or something said it was effective against coronaviruses.
This was proof to her that the government engineered COVID and knew of the pandemic in advance (and I guess told Lysol about it). I linked her the Wikipedia page for coronaviruses and that shut her up.
You think she is still reading?
Some say so.
This is the most believable vaccine conspiracy I have seen yet. Everything else is stupidly far fetched, but replacing with saline and getting everyone to get on with their lives is a lot more believable then anything else I have seem. I wouldn't be surprised if that happened in some places in the world.
China and Russia both rolled out domestic pride vaccines that were far less effective than either mRNA kind, so, while not quite saline, something along those lines.
If it was saline, how come people got sick taking it?
People at work were always sick after they took the vaccine.
If I am playing Devils Advocate and pretending I supported this conspiracy theory, then my response would simply be "because they caught covid".
Now if you were to follow up with "how come the test was negative"? my response would be "I believe that the government is lying about the vaccines being real, do you really think I believe the tests work accurately"?
*I don't actually believe this. I just think it would have been the easiest conspiracy theory for anti-vaxxers to run with.
The part of the poster that says, "Time to install your update", as in, "inject you with microchips from Microsoft and here's a picture of Bill Gates in case what I'm saying isn't clear"? Is that the believable one?
I wonder what the motivation would be to inject people with salt water. We'll go to the expense of getting needles, people trained on how to use them, rent sites, sanitation, and I guess all of that so people can feel like their governments are doing good jobs and hope nobody involved tells anyone.
I actually didn't even notice that part of the poster. It doesn't necessarily have to be saline, it could also be a vaccine that was proven ineffective, or had very low efficacy.
The motivation is simple, get people back to work. The people who write the laws are in the same circle as the people who own the businesses. Covid was generally very bad for business, hence why the government juiced the market with stimulus.
I am not saying that happened in developed countries, just that it would be a somewhat believable conspiracy theory if that's what they went with. Instead of focusing on supposed illnesses, Bill gates, magnetism, microchips and lizard people.
If only we could make stupidity painful.
Unfortunately it's only painful for the rest of us.
Is anyone looking into if its a polarity issue on that one or...?
/r/idiotsincars
be the change you want to see in the world
Maybe there’s a vaccine for that 🧐
Yes
So many fucking dumbasses in this world. Fucking smh. Fucking pieces of shit.
People really like to throw their opinions at everyone else even if they don't understand anything on the subject. I remember seeing a post on Facebook saying something along the lines of:
Circlejerk ragebait thread.
Its funny because the only reason cancer vaccines are even becoming a thing is because of mRNA technology. then of course the stupid of grouping cancer as all one thing like hey, there is no virus vaccine.
my MIL watches a pastor chris from the loveworld megachurch. over the years i’ve listened in on tirades about covid and depopulation eugenics, it’s all very wild and very “we are always under attack” and positively crazy.
No overcooked chicken vaccine, no falling down stairs vaccine, but sure vaccines are real.
Other than tasting bad and being dry, what's harmful about overcooked chicken?
It can be pretty hot depending on when it was cooked
The cleaning lady at my building thinks she's smarter and knows better than doctors, teachers, scientists, professors and researchers.
How did we get to this point where people can't accept that they don't know everything, and narcissism has reached cleaning ladies who now think they're geniuses?
Social media
We had those kind of people forever, it's just now thanks to social media that they can feed of each other's paranoia.
Agreed. Even back in the days of old, each village had their idiot. Now all the idiots can connect and further their idiocy whenever they like.
It's fascinating. These people can easily accept that they are physically worse then celebrity sports people. They can admit to running slower than Usain Bolt, but they can't admit to themselves that they are dumber than someone who has studied in their field for years and years?
That's apples, oranges, and ...passion fruits. They're simply not the same. Besides, it's quite pessimistic to imagine that the effort scientists have put into vaccine development, and all knowledge acquired, haven't taught us a trick or two.
I always need to watch a video about the ISS, or NASA in general, after seeing photos like this.
I dunno. Watching the wrong kind of videos is how you end up unironically believing things like this.
They find a flu vaccine ever 12 months? Wake up!
This is the opposite of mild.
Spicey.
I'm not gonna get angry today 'cause it's Friday and am about to get drunk to meditate.
Yea no stupidity vaccine either. Wake up, sheeple. This is a simulation. To exit the simulation, you'll need to terminate the processes running on this matrix machine. The so called "Covid" is actually our lord and savior attempting to liberate us from this Simulated Hell. The so called "Vaccine" is a virus trying to prevent us from exiting the matrix. "Death" is a lie invented by evil Bill Gates trying to scare us and to keep us under his control his his matrix. Rise, people. Exit simulation. "Death" isn't real, it's just exiting the simulation. Do not allow yourself to be enslaved any longer. Lets end this simulation, today. Escape the matrix!
/s
They definitely think Bill Gates is Jewish.
He's not. No Jewish ancestry and his current practice is a sort of casual Catholic thing, but he also thinks Dawkins is cool, so about what you'd expect. That's from a quick Wiki check, but still.
Because if he's on their poster...
I assume that they're asking why there is still no cancer vaccine?
Gardasil has entered the chat...
I don’t know him. Is that a Harry Potter character?
Not sure if serious... but it's a vaccine that reduces cervical cancer by about 70%.
Ah, I don’t know any specifics about cancer treatment. Thanks.
Didn't they make the vaccine in few days? It just took 10 months or so to get it approved
SARS an MARS viruses and vaccines are not new, they have been researched for probably 40-50 years
Exactly, Covid is a variant of a pretty well known class of virusses. The research on mRNA vaccines was pretty advanced as far as I gathered but testing them in trials isn't something you can easily do. There's a lot of hoops to jump through to justify trials with human subjects. When the burden of disease isn't very impactful it's hard to justify trials. Once covid came screeching around the corner suddenly the justification was easy to argue.
The vaccine had been in development for decades.
The gain-of-function lab COVID-19 escaped from was properly researching just that kind of thing.
The comments remind me of Reddit.