Great, now do the Scientologist pricks that protected him for years and threatened his victims.
On another note if you are interested in the topic, I can't recommend Growing Up in Scientology enough on YouTube.
Aaron is an amazing educator, commentator, and satirist on the subject of Scientology. Beyond that he has one of the most genuine, yet charismatic personalities of any person on the platform. I can't say enough good things about him, his journey, and his work with both exposing as well as freeing people from Scientology's grip.
Yeah A A Ron covers Scientology really well, cuts through the nonsence with a great deal of knowledge about the subject and does a lot to help victims of the cult. Well worth a watch.
This is why I don't watch Tom Cruise, Elisabeth Moss, et al vehicles. You can't separate the art from the artist when you're literally financing their criminal organization.
I wonder if those cancerous fucks will push hard on appeals.
Hilarious. But, probably won't last that long in prison. Sex offender and all.
It's not how you think. For starters not many inmates will risk adding several more years to their sentence for assaulting a sex offender. Most people in prison want to go home. He'll be fine as long as he keeps to himself or stays with other sex offenders. Also, before someone starts their fantasies, prison rape is not common. Prison Rape Elimination Act ended most of that. The type of sex offenders who do get assaulted in prison generally ask for it. Their specific offense plays a factor but its usually because they're annoying as hell, keep pushing boundaries with other inmates, actually it's mostly because they push boundaries.
Depends on where you end up, too. There are a bare handful of prisons full of and geared towards rehabbing sex offenders, though none of those are where he's going. And low security in general, sure, they're apt to mostly ostracize them rather than risk extending their own sentence. High security, you're gonna want to go into protective custody as quickly as possible or gamble on whether or not your skull is ventilated.
Protective custody was where Masterson was being held back in June anyway while awaiting a verdict. I see no real reason he'd be moved out of it, so I'm sure he'll mostly be bored.
This REALLY varies. The majority of prisons do not tack on time for in prison fights. Unless they near kill or maim him, they're fine whooping his ass and taking a week in the hole as that's all they'll get.
I will have to disagree. When you are in prison you are in the custody of the state (state or federal). If the state just knowingly allows you to be at risk by placing you in a dangerous situation then they become liable. It would then become cruel and unusual punishment. No one is sentence to continuous assaults for decades. The prison can and will be sued and it could raise a constitutional issue. If prisons just allowed whatever to happen then PREA would not be a thing.
As someone who was in prison, sex stuff is usually agreed to. Fights do happen a lot but it's usually two people arguing or drug related. Punishments vary but it's usually not good so people don't want to fight unless they don't care. People do care about extra time. Everyone stays quiet anyway. People lie all the time about why they're in and unless you're annoying or in people's faces then you're usually safe. A sex offender might get shunned or treated like shit but not all the time and they are usually separated into other sex offenders. There are also A LOT of sex offenders so they often have a place or section of their own. I saw a lot of jokes and minor threats about rape but never saw anything in person, dudes did do stuff here and there but it was voluntary. It's not gay if you're in prison is what was said. If it's a high profile crime you might get some shit but you'll probably be separated anyway.
The rape elimination act ended most of that? Conservatively, between 1986 & 2006, as many as 1M inmates were documented to have been sexually assaulted.
I think you're projecting a bit on how you'd like to imagine prisons operate.
PREA is mostly an information gathering mechanism.
I'm not projecting anything. By law inmates cannot consent to sex so any sexual encounter is considered rape. This includes encounters between inmates and guards. Forced sexual encountered between inmates is not common anymore.
Also I do not have any experience with higher level federal facilities like Mediums or High security but I assume they are more vigilant.
They ask for it in prison? And that's the only ones who get assaulted, or sexed.. You know what this sounds like?
What I mean by the phrase, "They ask for it" is that they do things and push boundaries with other inmates that lead to the assault.
Example: I knew a guy who would always talk about his crime even after he was told to shut the fuck up about it. He was also proud of how he taught his young daughters how to give a bj. His cellies hated him, the cops hated him, most other sex offenders hated him because they wanted to move on and he wanted to stay back. He found his way into solitary.
You'd be right if they were minors - probably not in this case.
Not true at all. I won't say it's all Hollywood bullshit, but in most places not even the chomos are in danger.
he'll be kept in solitary.
At best, Masterson would have to "pay rent" if he were in a regular prison, but honestly he'll likely go to a rich white person prison where none of that applies. A prisoner would only get killed if he were a child molester.
Can you show me any actual evidence of these facilities, I keep hearing about them but never see any actual evidence they exist
The big difference between this place and Reddit is I would have been called an idiot for not believing it at face value, and here someone just drops a link
You wouldve gotten like a bajillion down votes as well.
I’m browsing on Voyager, which looks a lot like Apollo, discussions branch out down to the right. On reddit the further down and right you went in any given thread it was always mudslinging and downvotes, here it seems to be a lot more people actually talking to each other
And then shock and surprise that people are actually talking to each other instead of just either mindlessly agreeing or purging a different opinion. Don't folks know this is the internet, which is no place for actual discourse?
Oh there's still plenty of that. You must be one of those with the "popular" opinions.
How is this special (cushy) prison for rich and famous run by the federal govt justified? Do they try ?
I assume they're talking about white collar prisons which a sex offender would not be going to AFAIK. If they're just talking about some secret rich white people prison where violent offenders go when they have money, there isn't one. Rich people get off if their richness helps enough.
Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I'm not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I'm just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I'd have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he's rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
You do mean Brock Allen Turner, who was a student at Standford and was convicted of rape from an incident on January 18, 2015?
I hate to be wrong on that we're talking about two different Brock Allen Turners.
That's the right Brock Turner who was sentenced to 6 months and was released after 3 months. Judge Aaron Persky thought a longer sentence would unduly harm the rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
I think they're referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
Didn't rapist Brock Turner change his name or something?
I think they're referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
The rapist Allen Turner is the same person. Yes. Allen Turner is a rapist.
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn't know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years for his crimes.
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn't have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I'd expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn't cut a deal, hasn't shown remorse since he hasn't admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
It’s longer than I’d expect, but it’s what it should be, so it’s refreshing that a judge somewhere is taking rape seriously.
Compared to the rapist Brock Turner it sure seems like a lot. Brock Turner the rapist got a very light sentence.
I have a feeling Brock will get what's coming to him down the road
It varies a hell of a lot by state. Some states will give 40+ years for one rape, some will give under 10 years for multiple rapes. Add in the biases of individual judges, the person being charged, their status, jury biases, etc, and it ends up kinda all over the place.
Kind of makes sense to just have all of our justice dictated by robots, at that point.
At least then there'd be some consistency.
That's a different ridiculous extreme, not better.
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
If you give harsher punishment for rape than murder, you are just trasforming every rape in a murder rape.
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson's behalf. But, I don't see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
I might have misremembered him poisoning their dogs, but he did emotionally and physically abuse her. That's primarily what I was referring to.
Don't you mean that almost all other sentences for rape seem far too short?
There were several aggravating factors here. A long sentence is surprising given that he is a wealthy, white man. But it's absolutely justified (in the current carceral context, of which I strongly disapprove).
No, in fact I specifically said:
I’m not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape.
I didn't say you were. I'm suggesting the sentence only seems long to you because you grew up in a world full of Brock Turners. If you're not arguing about what the correct sentence should be, that is the only possible interpretation of what you said. Your perspective has been warped by your experience of this world that we live in.
Yea, I'm glad he is getting what he deserves but 30 to life seems insane. You can get up to 20 years for murder here (life sentence is possible but only for the rare serial/mass murderer), and getting that 20 years requires you to do some really bad shit. Manslaughter for another example is up to 3 years.
Excuse me, but it seems to me that with two murder maybe his sentence would be less.
Yea, in Estonia definitely. To get the full 20 years you need to do something pretty bad.
Yeah, seems high. I've known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I'm not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don't think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn't a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn't be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.
Wooops I guess he’s not rich enough to pay off judges and prosecutors. Sucks to suck.
Scientology couldn't even save him?
I bet if it was Tom Cruise they would have done more.
What if Scientology wanted this. So many what ifs when you include Scientology.
They didn't, but with the amount of publicity it got they probably didn't find it worth the investment since he likely wouldn't be able to work anymore.
Scientologists poisoned the dog of one of the victims for speaking up. After that dog died the victim got a new dog which was then poisoned. They did what they could to shut her up.
They fought this pretty hard. The victims had to suffer even more just to pursue this thanks to those cultist fucks
Tom makes enough money to take his thetan levels seriously. Doesn't look like Danny boy'll be that bankable of a star going forward.
We're clearly seeing some break from the trend of rich and famous people seeing no consequences for being awful.
…creebspy and rapey Kelly, rapestien.. it’s been a bit more than a minute now. Sad that it took a whole movement to get the ball rolling though
Nothing came out of the rammstein case. It was concluded that the statements given were false by the Berlin public prosecutors office.
To be fair, I think that is one of those cases where someone says something about something happening, and a whole bunch of people hop on a bandwagon saying the same thing to try and get something out of it. I mean some of the shit they were saying was straight up satirical, the "Suck Box"? Give me a break now.
Lynn even made it a point that Lindemann did not rape her, and then a bunch of women came out and said that he did but never testified against him in one of the safest countries on the planet to do so. The only thing I think is suspicious on rammsteins' behalf is that they distanced themselves from Makeeva, but perhaps she was spreading rumors about her role with the band? Who knows.
Well for one: I said rapestein. Not rammstein.
And ….
the safest countries on the planet to do so
Lol how do you out yourself as a misogynistic fuckface mansplaining shit they don’t actually understand without just saying it? Say this bullshit right here.
It's pretty obvious who you were talking about buddy, don't play stupid fucking games with me, we aren't children.
And wow, you're going to assume that I'm all of those things because I mentioned that Germany takes rape VERY seriously and if allegations are true (they have very invasive investigative procedures), then they should have persued it because justice will absolutely be served? You are an actual piece of shit.
I refuse to further this conversation. You should take time to think about what you said to another human being. You are so fucking rabid that you called me those things when I even presented potential evidence AGAINST them, just that the evidence for them heavily outweighs everything else. You have absolutely no idea what my views are and you automatically assumed I'm one of the worst kinds of people imagineable.
There's definitely not another actual human being on the other side of that screen, other people definitely don't matter and don't have feelings just because you can't see them.
Shame on you.
For a couple years now, yeah
It’s not that rich people are treated incorrectly, it’s that average people are treated too harshly. Rich people get what everyone should get: A way to defend themselves.
Man, I love That 70s Show, but so much fuckery and creepy shit happened during production. The irony being that this guy could have had any woman he wanted without assaulting them. He was the "cool funny" one on the show. Fucking gross piece of shit.
Idk about any woman he wanted. There are plenty of people who were never attracted to him, and he may be dysfunctional in a way that draws him to those people.
No one can ever have anyone they want. There will always be someone that says no, and if you don’t have the maturity to accept that and let go of your sense of entitlement you might wind up turning into a predator like Masterson.
have you ever heard the term " a figure of speech" pretty sure that's what op meant
Yea, I know. But they used the figure of speech in a fairly absolute way that I disagree with.
Being hot and wanted doesn’t make a person any less likely to be a predator.
The juxtaposition of "anyone he wants without raping them" against "sentenced to 30 years for rape" has a pretty clear contextual implication that you intentionally ignored.
Feel free to point out where that was referenced in the comment I was replying to.
I didn’t ignore it, it wasn’t relevant.
It's literally the title of the post my dude.
That was said in response to the context of Danny Masterson being sentenced to jail for rape.
It is relevant, and you are choosing to die on the hill of pedantry on a point no one but you is actually asserting. You choose to take a figure of speech, that was a juxtaposition of the title of the article and apply an absolute. It doesn't read that easy to anyone who isn't making a choice to omit the context.
I was going to say the same thing.
Rape is about power. Rapists aren’t interested in anyone who wants to give it to them consensually. They want to feel that they are really hurting someone, really destroying their humanity. If it doesn’t demean and permanently fuck up their victim then they want no part in it.
I think there's also a category of rapists who just flat out don't see their victims as people so they try to take whatever they want if they can get away with it.
It's still about power since they can only do that to people without power (temporarily due to impairment or permanently due to society).
But it's not the rapist getting off on having power, it's the rapist doing whatever they want because someone else has no power to stop them and the rapist has no empathy.
Narcissism, vs sadism.
Now do trump.
He might be a rapist but I think even he'd draw the line at doing Trump.
Just for curiosity's sake, what did he do to deserve 25 1/2 years before he can be eligible for parole that convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner didn't do when he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster? They were both convicted in California. Why did Turner, who has been going by Allen Turner and was last seen in the Dayton, OH area, do differently such that his custodial sentence was for 6 months, roughly 2% of the custodial time that Masterson will serve?
Let me be clear that my issue here isn't that Masterson was penalized too much. He took two women's lives and he should spend the rest of his in prison for it. It's just that I see two rapists, one was righteously destroyed by the justice system and the other whose court proceedings essentially made it seem like no one wanted to punish him at all but they very reluctantly felt like they had to.
If we look at it from a pragmatic point of view, the answer is time I believe, the Brock turner case was quite a few years ago, when the laws and public opinion were still in quite a mysogynistic place, the Danny Masterson case was settled today and I believe opened after the metoo movements, where public opinion was shifting more favourably towards the victims. Its wild to see this amount of progress this quickly but I think were starting to see a change for the better overall, same as to how we saw better changes to views of homophobia in the early 2000's from the 90's, where it was "fashionable" to call everything gay in a derogatory way. Also if I recall, brocks dad was involved heavily in the trial if that counts for anything
I think it was the fear that got put into other judges by the recall of the judge that oversaw the Turner debacle. He was removed from the bench by outraged voters, as is right and good.
I have no idea about this case, but there's a big difference between restorative (which is tentatively being trialed in many places) and a more traditional retributive justice system.
The first seeks the victims input and attempts to compensate the community effected. Retributive justice uses a more nebusous sense of what's right/deserved and what's wrong/unjust.
Pros and cons to both approaches. It's still debatable which one is better at rehabilitation. But our current system doesn't seem to place a high priority on that anyways.
This isn't a case where a different theory of justice was being experimented with. In this case, the rich white man going to the prestigious, expensive ivy league school was given 6 months for raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster because, among other reasons, a stiffer sentence would have negatively impacted his career as a competitive swimmer. The judge who sentenced Turner to only 6 months for raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster had also presided over a case where an underage girl was gang-raped, also while unconscious. He allowed to be entered into evidence photos of her at a party a year after she was raped as evidence that she did not suffer from PTSD after being gang raped by a baseball team. It's hard to imagine anything other than that this judge was a proponent of rape and did his best to protect rapists from any sort of punishment at all, but when absolutely forced to render some sort of sentence he punished rapists as little as possible.
He finally got what he deserved. Let's just hope that he can't hurt anyone ever again.
Hello Wisconsin Incarceration!
burned
I believe the song "incurably innocent" by At The Drive-In is about this piece of shit. He sexually assaulted Cedric's wife.
Bastard is better behind bars.
Has Ashton said anything new yet? The guy built a reputation for defending victims of abuse, but when they're his buddy Danny's victims he suddenly has no comment and continued to hang out with him until he was jailed.
Every person that was arrested with the help of Ashton Kutcher was automatically called guilty by him without trial, but when his friend rapes people he's all "I just can't know".
I lost all my respect for him for refusing to ditch an obvious rapist
I mean, does it really matter? I don’t follow the situation, but his lack of opinion on this matter can be a blight on his reputation but it doesn’t change what he did for other victims.
Besides, who cares about a celebrity’s opinion anyway?
I don't care about celebrities' opinions. But in this day and age, those fuckers are listened to by impressionable people who have 24/7 access to their voices.
Because of his work with Thorn: Digital Defenders of Children. This doesn't just hurt his reputation, but very specifically because of the nature of the foundation, could hurt it too. Hopefully it doesn't, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't something
I feel like the church 9f scientology should be held accountable here as well as they tried to hush the women.
I feel like Masterton must have been behind in his Scientology dues for this to happen at all
I feel sorry for his castmates. I'm sure they were counting on decades of reruns and residual checks.
I mean it sucks that it’s a missed money opportunity, (who wouldn’t love to coast on prior work they’ve done?) but a lot of the actors and actresses turned out just fine monetarily speaking idk. They’ll be alright.
I really only feel sorry for the people he raped and the people who have to handle these types of cases day in and day out.
I'm sure they'll manage to get by.
If they can't, they can just get a normal job like the rest of us.
We can't all live off of the 'work' we did decades ago, lol.
What's the difference between this and what Trump did? I'm curious why this one gets prison time, but Trump didn't. If it was two decades ago when this happened, I would habe thought it was past the statue of limitations.
Criminal vs civil trial due to the statute of limitations. Trump could not be criminally charged as the crime happened too long ago. The law limiting the time was changed in 2006 but that can't be retroactively applied.
The problem is that many alleged victims of sexual assault, like Carroll, cannot avail themselves of the criminal justice system. At the time when Carroll alleges Trump raped her, the statute of limitations for rape in the state of New York was five years. In 2006, New York changed the law and abolished the statute of limitations for certain types of assault, but that change does not apply retroactively to crimes committed before 2006.
I don't understand the retroactive part. The rapes supposedly happened in 2003 in this case, which would apply the same way according to this statement. But it doesn't seem to be applied that way here.
Different states?
Oh, yeah, that's probably it. Didn't think of that
He should have gone into politics instead of acting. Then the case would have been dropped.
well shit. I really liked him, I was hoping it wasn't true. oh well, fuck that guy then.
in the business that's what they call the big hurt
That’s what his buttocks is gonna be saying after his first week.
BoJack, is it you?
Dumbass
He deserves it.
I re-watched Beethoven's 2nd a few weeks ago and everything made sense now.
Charles Grodin was always suspicious of Danny Masterson's character right from the start, up until the very end. Danny also has a weird reaction when Ryce says she was looking for Taylor, knowing his opportunity to introduce her to Scientology was blown.
He looks so much less cool these days.
So does drake bell.
When he gets out he can be "that sexual criminal in his 70s"
lol
Good.
I understand your point but you're not really making a lot of sense with your logic here
Who are you responding to?
I never followed this case. So he raped 2 women? Or at least that's what the sentence is for. A sentence as excessive as that does not seem wise to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any sympathy for rapists. I do have sympathy for the victims.
But what does this sentence really send as a message to criminals? From a criminal's point of view you can just as well kill all witnesses, especially the victims, if it won't make the consequences of being caught any worse but reduced the chances of being caught. This is really, really unwise.
I think in this case specifically, it was due to the threats and shit that were being thrown towards the judge and jury by the church of Scientology. The sentence is to send a full message to the church that no, you fucks cannot get away with these things anymore.
I'm glad he's been put away, not just for the rapes, but the murder of Cedric Bixler-Zavala's dog (from ATDI/Mars Volta. Masterson raped his wife, and two of Cedric's dogs were poisoned after she came forward).
If he had been convicted of raping and murdering 2 women he'd likely be looking at life without parole or death. It would absolutely have made the consequences worse.
Bruh getting caught doesn't work in real life like it does in skyrim, you cant just kill everyone and be done with it
You shouldn't. But you can. And we really shouldn't make the worst alternative more attractive for those low-lives.
Yeah let’s make sure we don’t send the wrong message to psychopaths by sending them to jail for fear they will escalate their wrongdoings. Maybe we could just ask them pretty please to stop raping people. Or maybe just not worry about rape at all. /s
Let me understand. You are an american soldier, torture and kill war prisoners, 6 months and disonorably discharge. You kill 200.000 people and you are a war hero ( Oppenheimer ). You rape two american women, 30 years? And the world should follow american ethics?
This is not particularly novel to America. It is the foundation of nationalism.
It this the reason that, when i heard about american ethics and morality, i see them as i see talibans. A cult crazy backward nation.
y'all qaeda
In the UK you don't even get jail for raping a child.
Reality is that westerners are huge hypocrites, they see the rest of the world as less human, and below their own race. so such triple standards aren't surprising.
As if it's limited to westerners lol
Yes, for sure. As the only intelligent and civilised was them
Imagine reading about the decades of wounds these poor women suffered, only for the associated press to ask you to pay them to read more about their pain.
AP is free, click decline.
If it's free, why do I have to click at all?
If it's free why do I need a ISP and device to view it?
Great, now do the Scientologist pricks that protected him for years and threatened his victims.
On another note if you are interested in the topic, I can't recommend Growing Up in Scientology enough on YouTube.
Aaron is an amazing educator, commentator, and satirist on the subject of Scientology. Beyond that he has one of the most genuine, yet charismatic personalities of any person on the platform. I can't say enough good things about him, his journey, and his work with both exposing as well as freeing people from Scientology's grip.
Growing Up in Scientology: https://youtube.com/@GrowingUpInScientology?si=7AqjhAIP4ptYDJfi
Yeah A A Ron covers Scientology really well, cuts through the nonsence with a great deal of knowledge about the subject and does a lot to help victims of the cult. Well worth a watch.
This is why I don't watch Tom Cruise, Elisabeth Moss, et al vehicles. You can't separate the art from the artist when you're literally financing their criminal organization.
I wonder if those cancerous fucks will push hard on appeals.
Mafia children.
By the time he gets out, he'll be That 70's Guy.
Hilarious. But, probably won't last that long in prison. Sex offender and all.
It's not how you think. For starters not many inmates will risk adding several more years to their sentence for assaulting a sex offender. Most people in prison want to go home. He'll be fine as long as he keeps to himself or stays with other sex offenders. Also, before someone starts their fantasies, prison rape is not common. Prison Rape Elimination Act ended most of that. The type of sex offenders who do get assaulted in prison generally ask for it. Their specific offense plays a factor but its usually because they're annoying as hell, keep pushing boundaries with other inmates, actually it's mostly because they push boundaries.
Depends on where you end up, too. There are a bare handful of prisons full of and geared towards rehabbing sex offenders, though none of those are where he's going. And low security in general, sure, they're apt to mostly ostracize them rather than risk extending their own sentence. High security, you're gonna want to go into protective custody as quickly as possible or gamble on whether or not your skull is ventilated.
Protective custody was where Masterson was being held back in June anyway while awaiting a verdict. I see no real reason he'd be moved out of it, so I'm sure he'll mostly be bored.
This REALLY varies. The majority of prisons do not tack on time for in prison fights. Unless they near kill or maim him, they're fine whooping his ass and taking a week in the hole as that's all they'll get.
I will have to disagree. When you are in prison you are in the custody of the state (state or federal). If the state just knowingly allows you to be at risk by placing you in a dangerous situation then they become liable. It would then become cruel and unusual punishment. No one is sentence to continuous assaults for decades. The prison can and will be sued and it could raise a constitutional issue. If prisons just allowed whatever to happen then PREA would not be a thing.
As someone who was in prison, sex stuff is usually agreed to. Fights do happen a lot but it's usually two people arguing or drug related. Punishments vary but it's usually not good so people don't want to fight unless they don't care. People do care about extra time. Everyone stays quiet anyway. People lie all the time about why they're in and unless you're annoying or in people's faces then you're usually safe. A sex offender might get shunned or treated like shit but not all the time and they are usually separated into other sex offenders. There are also A LOT of sex offenders so they often have a place or section of their own. I saw a lot of jokes and minor threats about rape but never saw anything in person, dudes did do stuff here and there but it was voluntary. It's not gay if you're in prison is what was said. If it's a high profile crime you might get some shit but you'll probably be separated anyway.
I mean you're free to disagree but I was a state corrections officer for over 6 years. I've seen what happens.
The rape elimination act ended most of that? Conservatively, between 1986 & 2006, as many as 1M inmates were documented to have been sexually assaulted.
I think you're projecting a bit on how you'd like to imagine prisons operate.
PREA is mostly an information gathering mechanism.
I'm not projecting anything. By law inmates cannot consent to sex so any sexual encounter is considered rape. This includes encounters between inmates and guards. Forced sexual encountered between inmates is not common anymore.
Also I do not have any experience with higher level federal facilities like Mediums or High security but I assume they are more vigilant.
They ask for it in prison? And that's the only ones who get assaulted, or sexed.. You know what this sounds like?
What I mean by the phrase, "They ask for it" is that they do things and push boundaries with other inmates that lead to the assault.
Example: I knew a guy who would always talk about his crime even after he was told to shut the fuck up about it. He was also proud of how he taught his young daughters how to give a bj. His cellies hated him, the cops hated him, most other sex offenders hated him because they wanted to move on and he wanted to stay back. He found his way into solitary.
You'd be right if they were minors - probably not in this case.
Not true at all. I won't say it's all Hollywood bullshit, but in most places not even the chomos are in danger.
he'll be kept in solitary.
At best, Masterson would have to "pay rent" if he were in a regular prison, but honestly he'll likely go to a rich white person prison where none of that applies. A prisoner would only get killed if he were a child molester.
Can you show me any actual evidence of these facilities, I keep hearing about them but never see any actual evidence they exist
https://komonews.com/news/nation-world/cohens-prison-reality-tennis-courts-cardio-machines-and-microwaves
The big difference between this place and Reddit is I would have been called an idiot for not believing it at face value, and here someone just drops a link
You wouldve gotten like a bajillion down votes as well.
I’m browsing on Voyager, which looks a lot like Apollo, discussions branch out down to the right. On reddit the further down and right you went in any given thread it was always mudslinging and downvotes, here it seems to be a lot more people actually talking to each other
And then shock and surprise that people are actually talking to each other instead of just either mindlessly agreeing or purging a different opinion. Don't folks know this is the internet, which is no place for actual discourse?
Oh there's still plenty of that. You must be one of those with the "popular" opinions.
How is this special (cushy) prison for rich and famous run by the federal govt justified? Do they try ?
I assume they're talking about white collar prisons which a sex offender would not be going to AFAIK. If they're just talking about some secret rich white people prison where violent offenders go when they have money, there isn't one. Rich people get off if their richness helps enough.
Turns out red was right all along.
After getting older Red went from suppressive to sympathetic. I often hear Red's voice saying dumbass in my head.
Is it just me or does 30 years to life seem longer than you would expect? I'm not trying to argue what he deserves or what the correct amount of time is for rape. I'm just saying that if I had to guess what kind of sentence someone would get for 2 counts of rape, I'd have guessed something like 15 years at most. It seems especially unusual given that he's rich, white, and presumably a first-time offender.
If the sentence is unusually long, would that mean an appeal is more likely to be successful?
After the rapist Brock Turner was given a slap on the wrist, California passed mandatory sentencing for rape.
He was accused of 3 rapes but convicted of 2. He received the maximum sentencing for each.
His lawyers are likely going to fight the conviction constantly until the money runs dry.
My personal thought is the conviction is unlikely to be overturned but a sentence reduction is likely. So he got the maximum sentence. Danny will likely be behind bars for at least 6-10 years for his crimes.
You do mean Brock Allen Turner, who was a student at Standford and was convicted of rape from an incident on January 18, 2015?
I hate to be wrong on that we're talking about two different Brock Allen Turners.
That's the right Brock Turner who was sentenced to 6 months and was released after 3 months. Judge Aaron Persky thought a longer sentence would unduly harm the rapist, Brock Allen Turner.
I think they're referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
Didn't rapist Brock Turner change his name or something?
I think they're referring to THE RAPIST BROCK ALLEN TURNER who raped an unconscious girl in an alley. I heard he moved to Ohio and goes by his middle name. So THE RAPIST ALLEN TURNER
The rapist Allen Turner is the same person. Yes. Allen Turner is a rapist.
I knew about Brock Turner, but I didn't know California passed new laws as a result. Do you mean mandatory minimum sentences? Or was the maximum raised too? Would 15 years have been illegal for Turner, but is legal for Masterson?
6-10 years is more what I would have expected given his fame and wealth. I wouldn't have been surprised at 15. But, 30 to life seems more like what I'd expect from a second-degree murder sentence for someone with a criminal history, not rape by a rich white Hollywood celebrity.
maybe they tried him as a black adult? you know how sometimes they try minors as adults
Judge Rules White Girl Will Be Tried As Black Adult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84phU8of02U
Sentencing has never made much sense. Depends upon jurisdiction, how many charges prosecutors can tack on, how many you end up going to trial over, how many you get convicted over, and who is responsible for sentencing (in some places the jury sentence, in some the trial judge, in others sentencing is a separate proceeding with a separate judge).
One of the big factors here is that Masterson and his lawyers still deny everything. He didn't cut a deal, hasn't shown remorse since he hasn't admitted to any wrong-doing, and the judge chose to sentence consecutively. First trial was a mistrial, second trial got 2/3 convictions, and apparently they intend to appeal. So depending upon appeal, he is currently facing somewhere between being acquitted on appeal to facing life in prison. In a lot of cases like this, some sort of deal is cut on lesser charges or lesser sentencing in exchange for admitting guilt and not dragging this on through appeal, hence typically shorter sentences. Masterson/his lawyers are instead rolling d20s and the current outcome is a 1.
It’s longer than I’d expect, but it’s what it should be, so it’s refreshing that a judge somewhere is taking rape seriously.
Compared to the rapist Brock Turner it sure seems like a lot. Brock Turner the rapist got a very light sentence.
I have a feeling Brock will get what's coming to him down the road
It varies a hell of a lot by state. Some states will give 40+ years for one rape, some will give under 10 years for multiple rapes. Add in the biases of individual judges, the person being charged, their status, jury biases, etc, and it ends up kinda all over the place.
Kind of makes sense to just have all of our justice dictated by robots, at that point.
At least then there'd be some consistency.
That's a different ridiculous extreme, not better.
Be prepared to see how many people rise up to say life minimum when it comes to rape. Of course, I just see that as people admitting the system fails the incarcerated and punishes rather than rehabilitates.
If you give harsher punishment for rape than murder, you are just trasforming every rape in a murder rape.
he's also done lots of other evil shit.
https://www.rollingstone.com /music/music-news/cedric-bixler-zavala-reacts-danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-1234745344/amp/
That article talks about the rape, and talks about things that the Scientology cult did on Masterson's behalf. But, I don't see anything in there about other evil shit that he has done / been accused of doing. What sorts of things are you talking about?
I might have misremembered him poisoning their dogs, but he did emotionally and physically abuse her. That's primarily what I was referring to.
Don't you mean that almost all other sentences for rape seem far too short?
There were several aggravating factors here. A long sentence is surprising given that he is a wealthy, white man. But it's absolutely justified (in the current carceral context, of which I strongly disapprove).
No, in fact I specifically said:
I didn't say you were. I'm suggesting the sentence only seems long to you because you grew up in a world full of Brock Turners. If you're not arguing about what the correct sentence should be, that is the only possible interpretation of what you said. Your perspective has been warped by your experience of this world that we live in.
Yea, I'm glad he is getting what he deserves but 30 to life seems insane. You can get up to 20 years for murder here (life sentence is possible but only for the rare serial/mass murderer), and getting that 20 years requires you to do some really bad shit. Manslaughter for another example is up to 3 years.
Excuse me, but it seems to me that with two murder maybe his sentence would be less.
Yea, in Estonia definitely. To get the full 20 years you need to do something pretty bad.
Yeah, seems high. I've known someone that got 10 years for attempted murder (shot someone). I'm not in favor of long sentences like these in general. If a person is not going to rehabilitated in 10 years, then I don't think adding another 20 years is going to help. Same thing if you look at it from a deterrent perspective (if 10 years isn't a deterrent, then any sentence probably wouldn't be). If a person could never be rehabilitated and they would pose a danger to others if released, then a life sentence would probably be the best.
Honestly, had the same thought
Wooops I guess he’s not rich enough to pay off judges and prosecutors. Sucks to suck.
Scientology couldn't even save him?
I bet if it was Tom Cruise they would have done more.
What if Scientology wanted this. So many what ifs when you include Scientology.
They didn't, but with the amount of publicity it got they probably didn't find it worth the investment since he likely wouldn't be able to work anymore.
Scientologists poisoned the dog of one of the victims for speaking up. After that dog died the victim got a new dog which was then poisoned. They did what they could to shut her up.
They fought this pretty hard. The victims had to suffer even more just to pursue this thanks to those cultist fucks
Tom makes enough money to take his thetan levels seriously. Doesn't look like Danny boy'll be that bankable of a star going forward.
We're clearly seeing some break from the trend of rich and famous people seeing no consequences for being awful.
…creebspy and rapey Kelly, rapestien.. it’s been a bit more than a minute now. Sad that it took a whole movement to get the ball rolling though
Nothing came out of the rammstein case. It was concluded that the statements given were false by the Berlin public prosecutors office.
To be fair, I think that is one of those cases where someone says something about something happening, and a whole bunch of people hop on a bandwagon saying the same thing to try and get something out of it. I mean some of the shit they were saying was straight up satirical, the "Suck Box"? Give me a break now.
Lynn even made it a point that Lindemann did not rape her, and then a bunch of women came out and said that he did but never testified against him in one of the safest countries on the planet to do so. The only thing I think is suspicious on rammsteins' behalf is that they distanced themselves from Makeeva, but perhaps she was spreading rumors about her role with the band? Who knows.
Well for one: I said rapestein. Not rammstein.
And ….
the safest countries on the planet to do soLol how do you out yourself as a misogynistic fuckface mansplaining shit they don’t actually understand without just saying it? Say this bullshit right here.
It's pretty obvious who you were talking about buddy, don't play stupid fucking games with me, we aren't children.
And wow, you're going to assume that I'm all of those things because I mentioned that Germany takes rape VERY seriously and if allegations are true (they have very invasive investigative procedures), then they should have persued it because justice will absolutely be served? You are an actual piece of shit.
I refuse to further this conversation. You should take time to think about what you said to another human being. You are so fucking rabid that you called me those things when I even presented potential evidence AGAINST them, just that the evidence for them heavily outweighs everything else. You have absolutely no idea what my views are and you automatically assumed I'm one of the worst kinds of people imagineable.
There's definitely not another actual human being on the other side of that screen, other people definitely don't matter and don't have feelings just because you can't see them.
Shame on you.
For a couple years now, yeah
It’s not that rich people are treated incorrectly, it’s that average people are treated too harshly. Rich people get what everyone should get: A way to defend themselves.
Man, I love That 70s Show, but so much fuckery and creepy shit happened during production. The irony being that this guy could have had any woman he wanted without assaulting them. He was the "cool funny" one on the show. Fucking gross piece of shit.
Idk about any woman he wanted. There are plenty of people who were never attracted to him, and he may be dysfunctional in a way that draws him to those people.
No one can ever have anyone they want. There will always be someone that says no, and if you don’t have the maturity to accept that and let go of your sense of entitlement you might wind up turning into a predator like Masterson.
have you ever heard the term " a figure of speech" pretty sure that's what op meant
Yea, I know. But they used the figure of speech in a fairly absolute way that I disagree with.
Being hot and wanted doesn’t make a person any less likely to be a predator.
The juxtaposition of "anyone he wants without raping them" against "sentenced to 30 years for rape" has a pretty clear contextual implication that you intentionally ignored.
Feel free to point out where that was referenced in the comment I was replying to.
I didn’t ignore it, it wasn’t relevant.
It's literally the title of the post my dude.
That was said in response to the context of Danny Masterson being sentenced to jail for rape.
It is relevant, and you are choosing to die on the hill of pedantry on a point no one but you is actually asserting. You choose to take a figure of speech, that was a juxtaposition of the title of the article and apply an absolute. It doesn't read that easy to anyone who isn't making a choice to omit the context.
I was going to say the same thing.
Rape is about power. Rapists aren’t interested in anyone who wants to give it to them consensually. They want to feel that they are really hurting someone, really destroying their humanity. If it doesn’t demean and permanently fuck up their victim then they want no part in it.
I think there's also a category of rapists who just flat out don't see their victims as people so they try to take whatever they want if they can get away with it.
It's still about power since they can only do that to people without power (temporarily due to impairment or permanently due to society).
But it's not the rapist getting off on having power, it's the rapist doing whatever they want because someone else has no power to stop them and the rapist has no empathy.
Narcissism, vs sadism.
Now do trump.
He might be a rapist but I think even he'd draw the line at doing Trump.
Rent free. Still.
How sore are your knees?
Just for curiosity's sake, what did he do to deserve 25 1/2 years before he can be eligible for parole that convicted rapist Brock Allen Turner didn't do when he raped an unconscious woman behind a dumpster? They were both convicted in California. Why did Turner, who has been going by Allen Turner and was last seen in the Dayton, OH area, do differently such that his custodial sentence was for 6 months, roughly 2% of the custodial time that Masterson will serve?
Let me be clear that my issue here isn't that Masterson was penalized too much. He took two women's lives and he should spend the rest of his in prison for it. It's just that I see two rapists, one was righteously destroyed by the justice system and the other whose court proceedings essentially made it seem like no one wanted to punish him at all but they very reluctantly felt like they had to.
If we look at it from a pragmatic point of view, the answer is time I believe, the Brock turner case was quite a few years ago, when the laws and public opinion were still in quite a mysogynistic place, the Danny Masterson case was settled today and I believe opened after the metoo movements, where public opinion was shifting more favourably towards the victims. Its wild to see this amount of progress this quickly but I think were starting to see a change for the better overall, same as to how we saw better changes to views of homophobia in the early 2000's from the 90's, where it was "fashionable" to call everything gay in a derogatory way. Also if I recall, brocks dad was involved heavily in the trial if that counts for anything
I think it was the fear that got put into other judges by the recall of the judge that oversaw the Turner debacle. He was removed from the bench by outraged voters, as is right and good.
I have no idea about this case, but there's a big difference between restorative (which is tentatively being trialed in many places) and a more traditional retributive justice system.
The first seeks the victims input and attempts to compensate the community effected. Retributive justice uses a more nebusous sense of what's right/deserved and what's wrong/unjust.
Pros and cons to both approaches. It's still debatable which one is better at rehabilitation. But our current system doesn't seem to place a high priority on that anyways.
This isn't a case where a different theory of justice was being experimented with. In this case, the rich white man going to the prestigious, expensive ivy league school was given 6 months for raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster because, among other reasons, a stiffer sentence would have negatively impacted his career as a competitive swimmer. The judge who sentenced Turner to only 6 months for raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster had also presided over a case where an underage girl was gang-raped, also while unconscious. He allowed to be entered into evidence photos of her at a party a year after she was raped as evidence that she did not suffer from PTSD after being gang raped by a baseball team. It's hard to imagine anything other than that this judge was a proponent of rape and did his best to protect rapists from any sort of punishment at all, but when absolutely forced to render some sort of sentence he punished rapists as little as possible.
He finally got what he deserved. Let's just hope that he can't hurt anyone ever again.
Hello
WisconsinIncarceration!burned
I believe the song "incurably innocent" by At The Drive-In is about this piece of shit. He sexually assaulted Cedric's wife.
Bastard is better behind bars.
Has Ashton said anything new yet? The guy built a reputation for defending victims of abuse, but when they're his buddy Danny's victims he suddenly has no comment and continued to hang out with him until he was jailed. Every person that was arrested with the help of Ashton Kutcher was automatically called guilty by him without trial, but when his friend rapes people he's all "I just can't know". I lost all my respect for him for refusing to ditch an obvious rapist
I mean, does it really matter? I don’t follow the situation, but his lack of opinion on this matter can be a blight on his reputation but it doesn’t change what he did for other victims.
Besides, who cares about a celebrity’s opinion anyway?
I don't care about celebrities' opinions. But in this day and age, those fuckers are listened to by impressionable people who have 24/7 access to their voices.
Only when they have something interesting to say.
I would say here, it matters.
Because of his work with Thorn: Digital Defenders of Children. This doesn't just hurt his reputation, but very specifically because of the nature of the foundation, could hurt it too. Hopefully it doesn't, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't something
I feel like the church 9f scientology should be held accountable here as well as they tried to hush the women.
I feel like Masterton must have been behind in his Scientology dues for this to happen at all
I feel sorry for his castmates. I'm sure they were counting on decades of reruns and residual checks.
I mean it sucks that it’s a missed money opportunity, (who wouldn’t love to coast on prior work they’ve done?) but a lot of the actors and actresses turned out just fine monetarily speaking idk. They’ll be alright.
I really only feel sorry for the people he raped and the people who have to handle these types of cases day in and day out.
I'm sure they'll manage to get by.
If they can't, they can just get a normal job like the rest of us.
We can't all live off of the 'work' we did decades ago, lol.
Can’t Hyde from that.
What's the difference between this and what Trump did? I'm curious why this one gets prison time, but Trump didn't. If it was two decades ago when this happened, I would habe thought it was past the statue of limitations.
Criminal vs civil trial due to the statute of limitations. Trump could not be criminally charged as the crime happened too long ago. The law limiting the time was changed in 2006 but that can't be retroactively applied.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/e-jean-carroll-sued-trump-defamation-last-resort-blame-statute-ncna1077321
I don't understand the retroactive part. The rapes supposedly happened in 2003 in this case, which would apply the same way according to this statement. But it doesn't seem to be applied that way here.
Different states?
Oh, yeah, that's probably it. Didn't think of that
He should have gone into politics instead of acting. Then the case would have been dropped.
well shit. I really liked him, I was hoping it wasn't true. oh well, fuck that guy then.
in the business that's what they call the big hurt
That’s what his buttocks is gonna be saying after his first week.
BoJack, is it you?
Dumbass
He deserves it.
I re-watched Beethoven's 2nd a few weeks ago and everything made sense now.
Charles Grodin was always suspicious of Danny Masterson's character right from the start, up until the very end. Danny also has a weird reaction when Ryce says she was looking for Taylor, knowing his opportunity to introduce her to Scientology was blown.
He looks so much less cool these days.
So does drake bell.
When he gets out he can be "that sexual criminal in his 70s"
lol
Good.
I understand your point but you're not really making a lot of sense with your logic here
Who are you responding to?
I never followed this case. So he raped 2 women? Or at least that's what the sentence is for. A sentence as excessive as that does not seem wise to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't have any sympathy for rapists. I do have sympathy for the victims.
But what does this sentence really send as a message to criminals? From a criminal's point of view you can just as well kill all witnesses, especially the victims, if it won't make the consequences of being caught any worse but reduced the chances of being caught. This is really, really unwise.
I think in this case specifically, it was due to the threats and shit that were being thrown towards the judge and jury by the church of Scientology. The sentence is to send a full message to the church that no, you fucks cannot get away with these things anymore.
I'm glad he's been put away, not just for the rapes, but the murder of Cedric Bixler-Zavala's dog (from ATDI/Mars Volta. Masterson raped his wife, and two of Cedric's dogs were poisoned after she came forward).
If he had been convicted of raping and murdering 2 women he'd likely be looking at life without parole or death. It would absolutely have made the consequences worse.
How is this an excessive sentence? What in your mind would be an appropriate sentence if say your mom or sister were the ones who were raped?
10-15 years maybe? Idk I'd probably want them to rot in jail but be alive to get out so I can get them myself..
Bruh getting caught doesn't work in real life like it does in skyrim, you cant just kill everyone and be done with it
You shouldn't. But you can. And we really shouldn't make the worst alternative more attractive for those low-lives.
Yeah let’s make sure we don’t send the wrong message to psychopaths by sending them to jail for fear they will escalate their wrongdoings. Maybe we could just ask them pretty please to stop raping people. Or maybe just not worry about rape at all. /s
Let me understand. You are an american soldier, torture and kill war prisoners, 6 months and disonorably discharge. You kill 200.000 people and you are a war hero ( Oppenheimer ). You rape two american women, 30 years? And the world should follow american ethics?
This is not particularly novel to America. It is the foundation of nationalism.
It this the reason that, when i heard about american ethics and morality, i see them as i see talibans. A cult crazy backward nation.
y'all qaeda
In the UK you don't even get jail for raping a child.
Yes, I'm serious
You mean paedophile island?
Reality is that westerners are huge hypocrites, they see the rest of the world as less human, and below their own race. so such triple standards aren't surprising.
As if it's limited to westerners lol
Yes, for sure. As the only intelligent and civilised was them
Imagine reading about the decades of wounds these poor women suffered, only for the associated press to ask you to pay them to read more about their pain.
AP is free, click decline.
If it's free, why do I have to click at all?
If it's free why do I need a ISP and device to view it?
The internet isn’t a movie.