Biden Sets Internet Alight With ‘Dark Brandon’ Super Bowl Reaction
thedailybeast.com
President Joe Biden had conspiracy theorists in a tizzy after posting what appeared to be his reaction to the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl win on Sunday night.
“Just like we drew it up,” Biden posted on X alongside a photo of “Dark Brandon,” the meme created by hardcore—and very online—supporters of Donald Trump that Biden and his team loved so much they adopted it as their own.
The post was apparently referencing far-right conspiracy theories which posit the NFL and high-level government operatives conspired to rig the Super Bowl in Kansas City’s favor to give maximum exposure to a yet-to-be-announced endorsement from Chiefs star Travis Kelce and his girlfriend Taylor Swift.
It is kinda funny ngl
It’s fucking hilarious! This is exactly how you respond to something so utterly ridiculous.
Troll the trollers. I'm here for it! I want my president to be smarter than the dumb conspiracies I'm being forced fed by the morons!
Zero chance any of this was Biden's idea LOL
I'm sure you are qualified to assess this
Access what?
Sound it out...
What's this about asses?
Run the bend...
I'd be surprised if he could properly post a tweet. I wonder if his pr team even bothered with running it by him. I think the post is hilarious, but I know it wasn't Bidens idea, or even the one tweeting it.
Exactly. How the hell else are we gonna get dopamine and serotonin today? They've removed all the naturally occuring sources of with their fucked up policies and general ghoulishness. Where else then but from the tears of their impotent, incandescent rage?
Mmmm. The rage gives it that lemony twist.
I'm fucking hysterical
This is one of the most upvoted comments I've seen on Lemmy
It’s crazy. Any leftie knows this is a plain joke while the wingnutters on the right take every facet of it seriously. Meanwhile, trump says some pretty terrifying shit and means it, but the right has to translate it as “he was joking.”
Not a USer, what I find utterly bonkers is seeing clips of them discussing the dark Brandon conspiracy on fox news, like it's real and relevant political discourse. Wtaf is wrong with that portion of you population.
Am USer. I have no explanation, but I can assure you that being up close to this shit doesn’t help it make any more sense. I come from a conservative white family in a mostly white area, and sure I can see how people get into that insular world and are conditioned to reject rational inquiry, but at the same time we live in the information age, people!
The problem is that there is too much information. And information doesn't come with a disclaimer of whether it's fact, opinion, conspiracy, or otherwise batshit.
We have passed the age of information, we have entered the age of misinformation.
Upvoted with a frown of agreement on my face.
Or went back to it? I think there was only a short period of time in human's existence when only the intellectual elite could reach the public with the new technologies because it was too complicated or pricey for the common people. Now we're back to bar-room level of information quality.
/disagree
There used to be something called The Fourth Estate (of Government). Used to be.
Was that press accessible for the average people at that time? Everybody being able to read is fairly recent too.
News organzations should not be allowed to express opinions, but only recite news.
Did people think more critically before? Or maybe there was limited dissemination in the past? Crazy BS maybe didn't travel as far?
I'd like to think we could differentiate between fact, opinion, and BS more in the past, but that's probably not true.
I think learning everything about the world from the random unqualified people around you is exactly how most people in history have done it. As long as it’s a person you like and they say it with confidence, it will probably stick.
But now it is easier to see that process happening and avoid it. It’s also easier to locate authoritative sources of information.
Except… even though this works for many of us, it paradoxically makes the problem WORSE for a huge number of people. We have easier access to all the opinions out there, but that means any given shitty opinion has the potential to reach millions rather than somebody’s social circle.
I agree. What I have no idea about these days is how to solve this.
It might be a 'there is no solution' type problem, but it would be nice if more people and organizations as a whole recognized this issue.
Maybe publishing questionable information over a long period of time or our lack of holding orgs and individuals accountable contributed. I'd think it hard to legislate accountability without reducing freedom or speech, press, and opinion (that isn't toxic, but that's subjective and part of the problem isn't it).
The Younger generations do at least.
They’re servile morons.
They would get along quite well with brexiters. Some segments of the human species are........ special.
Raised on evangelical TV preachers and AM radio talk show hosts. The more radical, fire, thunder, brimstone, and fear you can throw at them theatrically the more they love it. Think WWE, carnival freak show barkers, snake oil salesmen…they eat it up. Used to be there was this view of an intelligent, reserved country folk that whiled away their time reading and listening, having a plain sense of what’s right. A quaint image. The lot of them have been taken in by hucksters and proudly show off the Emperor’s new clothes.
They've joined a cult.
My sneaking suspicion is that a majority of the adult population has passed well beyond the sub-acute level of lead exposure and is now showing the side effects.
Lead paint, TEL, 100LL.
Think of it as "throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks". That is the role of intellectuals or pundits, whatever you want to call the class that disseminates ideology / PR. There are lots of them and they spout all sorts of crazy stuff. Now basically it's like the theory of evolution through natural selection. Except as individuals we are intelligent and can make decisions like "oh that sold clicks" or "oh that helped pass that law". Who decides that? Well those who work for those that own everything and who see it as their job to increase profit.
So basically ideology is like a secretion of a specialized class that is filtered and selected to "work".
So my theory is that after decades of wealth transfer and increasing inequality, dwindling middle class and lowering of effective quality of life, you need "stronger secretions" to control the masses. Because the old ideology doesn't work any more. One word for it is late stage capitalism.
Another environmental aspect that plays into this I think is climate change - since we already failed to prevent what could result in our extinction or at least in countless genocides, what social contract remains? Why even pretend to be civilized when our civilization obviously has gone insane? Like a decadent indulgence in an orgy of hatred. Or just insanity like in "Don't look up".
Unfortunately the terrifying thing is nothing is actually physically wrong with those people that is making them believe crazy shit. They don’t all have dementia or something.
America is just so dysfunctional that it shoots perfectly normal people off the deep end into crazy (very hateful often) conspiracy views like a particle accelerator shoots protons into stuff to make them explode. Some businesses actually target that as their explicit business model here (YouTube).
We have no idea!
I'm interested in what it's like to live in a country where the culture, society, people are more...United. I don't mean all the same.
I don't think the melting pot saying is true anymore. People don't want to blend together, lack of a sense of community or pride, nothing to be proud of anymore?
Lots of get mine mentality.
Remember to vote this year yall
Vote early, vote often!
Wait, this is a joke? I’m pretty sure we talked about the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl at the annual “You didn’t vote Republican so you’re part of the Deep State” meeting back in August
Oh shit, was I supposed to keep my mouth shut?
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It goes both ways. Jacob Frey (Mayor of Minneapolis, MN) took some heat from the left within the last week for a joke that he made. He, being a Democrat himself, made a joke about the remote workers having a... What was it... Nasty cat blanket and being losers?
He wasn't joking though. Capitalism go brrrrrrrr.
“It goes both ways”
Lmao. No it fucking doesn’t.
The difference being that the mayor's "joke" was dreadfully unfunny
"it goes both ways" followed by something completely and utterly different.
While it was a joke, the meaning behind it is the problem. The agenda wrapped in the joke is that we should all go to the office and serve our corporate masters. Joke or not the message is still rotten.
That's fair.
So damn hilarious.
I figured some dumb politics thing would be how I found out who won. Goddammit.
Now I want to know what he would have done if the 49ers won.
The same
gottem
Jokes on them, I dont know who either of the teams are and I've already forgotten who won.
I love how the Biden camp has embraced the alt rights madness, with hilarious effect.
Good for Joe.
badass man
Fucking brilliant
It was just a locker room tweet.
Ooh, an anamorphic Travolta meme. That's rare.
Also: internet looks okay to me too. Man I love this site.
*American Internet
Rest does not give a shit
Clearly. As non-US person, clearly see this whole US political shit like a reality-show, so there is no room for this kind of thing in my memory.
As non-US person, we watched the Superbowl in anguish, fearing a win for SF would directly lead to a Trump win and a destruction of the current world order!
Please don't joke about this. This is legitimately how politics work here now.
Liking the Chiefs is now "woke."
Damn I guess I like KC now.
Actually I like whoever is the most fun to watch. I like Seattle for that reason, and I liked KC when it was Mahomes and Tyreek Hill.
Whatever is fun to watch. That's whats most important.
Well soon Taylor Swift is gonna dump Kelce for flipping shit at his coach.... This guy is too hot headed for a smart girl like Taylor.
Then the Chiefs won't be woke anymore.
Why would SF winning do that?
In all fairness, most US voters also treat politics like a reality-show.
Not like you can do anything about it
America invented the internet, silly.
Ah yes, the Wamerica Wide Web
Here we go again... The web, which is what most people think about when saying "internet", is an European invention.
So the low level stuff is American, but higher level stuff is European. But then again, were could claim that "web 2.0" was invented by American companies.
Internet is 70% American?
Very human of us to argue over who gets credit for creating the greatest tool for collaboration in history when it was clearly a collaborative process.
Seems like it was a collaboration of many scientists from many different nationalities. By “low level stuff is American”, I think you mean the backbone? And maybe “higher level stuff is European” means stuff like web browsers?
I enjoyed this article which is slightly less technical than the one above. https://www.history.com/topics/inventions/invention-of-the-internet
That article is a joke. bbs' we're doing that long before berners lee made www a thing. The "web" was always there. All he did was develop another protocol.
Right but BBs was a direct connection from one computer to another on one phone line not an “internet” I believe but the technical aspects of it are beyond my knowledge
You can argue about this all day long. The web was invented on a Next computer, created by Steve Jobs, written in C or maybe C++, also invented by Americans.
Point is, a thousand different things had to come together from all over the world to create the modern Internet. I don't think it's accurate to say only one entity was responsible for it.
Edit: A gigantic amount of the Internet and its infrastructure runs on an OS written by a dude from Finland.
Unless that entity is Al Gore.
Heh. AI Gore. My font doesn’t differ on l and I.
Al Gore funded the internet.
Objective-C was the native programming language for the NeXTSTEP exnvironment when developing using Project Builder, the precursor to XCode.
while C and C++ could be used in Obj-C projects (painfully, sometimes), NeXTSTEP apps themselves had to be written/compiled in Obj-C.
edit: this was pretty much the case after they were aquired by Apple and running all the way until 2014 when Apple invented Swift, an evolutionary step beyond Obj-C. macOS (the evolution of NeXTSTEP) can now execute binaries built with Swift and Obj-C nativley.
the what now? Is this about those monkeys that went into space and came back super-intelligent?
When people say 'Can I get the password for the internet?' they are undoubtedly referring to the wifi password, which is an Australian invention.
Internet is 40% American?
Oh... All this time i thought they were talking about "the internet", trying to ask me the password to access my ISP's IP routing tables! 😯
It makes so much sense now that i think about it... They were confused when i replied that i didn't know what was the password to the internet!
WWW was a mistake, we should have stuck to Gopher. That one actually counts against Europe.
I love how you say all that and then provide ZERO sources, like I'm supposed to take the word of some random stranger on the network that Americans invented.
It would be funny if israel didn’t start bombing Rafah during the super bowl killing at least 67 people while israel played their $7million 30 second Super Bowl commercial about khamasss to brainwash Americans.
“All according to plan” with the laser eyes Dark Brandon might not be the best timed meme after that.
Good point, I'm sure if we had Donald Trump in office, Israel would stop immediately. There's never been anybody tougher on Israel than Trump. For instance he... checks notes... moved our Embassy to Jerusalem after decades of US presidents refusing to do so and single-handedly set peace negotiations back 50 years.
But I guess when your entire post history is ripping Biden on the Israel situation you can't really do much else or the boss won't pay you.
Do you unironically believe that this lemmy commenter is getting paid to express anti-genocide views? You sound insane
Sorry when did I mention Trump again?
We're not allowed to criticize israel, remember.
Criticizing israel is antisemetic, or pro-trump, or (insert convenient negative connotation here)
Don't play coy. You know that is the alternative. I agree that it shouldn't be happening. But it doesn't help anyone to act like they don't have a point.
The alternative to the meme being unfunny? I feel like you're replying to a whole paragraph of text that doesn't exist in the original comment and acting like the original commenter is unreasonable for not knowing what you're talking about. Is there some edit I'm missing here, or can you literally not fathom any statement about something Biden does outside of the context of the election?
Jill Stein? Cornell West?
Certainly you're not suggesting anyone to directly vote for someone that supports israel's Nazi style genocide right?
When the alternative is letting an actual Nazi type leader win, people should be weighing their options accordingly.
Indeed, so don't vote for Genocide Joe or Agent Orange.
Instead vote for someone that isn't a genocidal Nazi.
i am not voting for either of them, and no one should.
Then you're voting for Trump.
I said I'm not voting for trump.
I mean to vote for Cornel West. Jill Stein could still win me though
Vote third party down-ballot by all means, because alternatives need a wider base to start taking more of the spotlight. However, the current voting system is a devil's bargain. If you refuse to play the game, you lose anyway.
a third party vote is just an indirect vote for republicans and their fasciastic fetishism.
the only ways i can lose is if a democrat or a republican wins
As Calvin Coolidge said, "you lose."
sounds like the kind of thing someone would say if they were trying to suppress the vote.
Just popped in to say-
A throwaway vote can’t be suppressed, because it doesn’t matter one way or another. It’s like adding a grain of sugar to a family-sized chili recipe. It’s irrelevant. So go ahead and drop it in there…. It isn’t going to make the slightest difference.
No one is trying to suppress your vote. You’re not a victim here. Now you’re free to respond as you predictably will- I’m not going to argue with you and get any more comments removed or banned from any communities. I said what I said for the benefit of anyone reading along, and not to engage with you or your attempts to bait people.
It’s unrelated
It's not. He's in office during a crisis and directly involved. It's not some big conspiracy but this is why "celebrity" politicians are a bad idea. You don't get to shit post if you have access to nuclear weapons. Is it funny? Sure. But all it did for me was solidify how out of touch democrats are right now.
nooo but our heckin epic presidenterino! that's MY president! he's really sticking it to the woke libs, or, no, I mean the nazi chuds! he's really sticking it to them! he's such a le ebin troll, guys! he's a master baiter! he posted this personally for our salvation! I'm sure this will help his poll numbers! don't forget to vote for our heckin ebin president now guys!
I have brain worms. the situation is not looking good. the libs are just as broken as the chuds. maybe even more, in certain respects. it's all about respectability politics and proper order, until the president, personally, at the age of 81, posts a meme, definitely him and not some intern. then it's time to shit on the "other side", even though they all agree on the most basic premises, and just not on what level of racist they should be.
The Genocide that happened during the Super Bowl is unrelated to Biden posting a meme about his "secret plan" that was executed during the Super Bowl?
Probably.
More probable than the scenario you're painting. I mean, if Biden did have anything to do with that, he wouldn't put a spotlight on it by tweeting about it. (And no, don't start to accuse him with "distraction" or "false flag" tactics, that's just doubling down with conspiracy theories, we're better than that)
Of course it's not intentional but it was insanely bad timing nonetheless.
While Biden is in hot water over his Genocide in Gaza his campaign goes making Homelander style tweets at arguably the worst timing possible.
The real meaning of the tweet was likely supposed to reference the stupid right wing Taylor Swift conspiracy of the super bowl being rigged but now Biden is getting flak from both the right and the left for entirely different reasons.
You sound like Biden personally started the clusterfuck in Gaza.
Spoiler alert: he didn't.
You sound like Genocide Joe didn't personally bypass congress to give the IDF 15 million in tank and mortar shells to commit Genocide with
Spoiler alert: he did.
I'm aware. You on the other hand should read the definition of 'personally'.
There's a whole swathe of right-wing Israeli characters you could blame before ever getting to Biden. Unlike him, they're all adamantly unapologetic about the whole thing.
Unless your only agenda is badmouthing Biden you should probably at least try to get your facts straight.
No literally Biden personally bypassed Congress in December.
Yes, but he still didn't kill anyone personally, nor did he order anyone to get shot, unless you can prove otherwise. I'd love to see you try.
Yeah obviously
It’s about that silly conspiracy that he had fixed the Super Bowl for the Chiefs to win
I get the gut reaction to say 'haha epic burn' or whatever, but this makes me really uneasy. I don't think an official presidential account should be addressing this through a meme. Right wingers are going to lose their minds over this, but that scares me more than amuses me at the moment. Someone already got decapitated by their son over MAGA conspiracies this year, so meming about it feels really really reckless to me.
Idk I think that making fun of the conspiracy theories and joking about them is a good way to kill their credibility. Not addressing it at all would probably only lead to it persisting longer.
They will lose their minds over literally anything, they created this whole conspiracy out of thin air and hatred of women.
That happened anyway, avoiding making fun of them (by pointing out what they say is nonsense) won't make their delusions go away.
Looks like it was his personal account, not the POTUS account.
That does alleviate some of my misgivings, still not my favorite idea but its better that it wasn't on an official government account.
"Dark Brandon" isn't no right wing thing, there was a team of PR guys creating pro Biden memes leading up to the last election, to compete with the more natural pro trump memes being made. They were obviously not made by your usual trolls because they weren't fucking funny.
Kelce behaved badly and deserves benching and fining.
You wanna bench and fine him, eh? Nudge,nudge!
Bench and fine Kelce (Taylor's version)
Lol; not what I find fine, but you elicited a fine, audible chuckle.
So much for bringing the country together.
Is that really the mandate we gave him in 2020? To mend our social fabric? I don't think that's on the table no matter who's the president for the foreseeable future, if I'm honest.
From his inauguration speech:
It’s what he said he would try to do.
I've seen you around and I know you're too smart to be mistaking rhetoric for policy. I want that for America too, but it's hardly realistic. The fact is that civil wars have to be properly dealt with from the jump, or they fester into insurgencies. That's what this is, and it's not over at all. I hope we make it.
I agree. I’m just taking note of the hypocrisy. If he had tweeted the Dark Brandon pic captioned with “ Trump will be arrested next week.” That would have been much better. Stop with the mocking of his supporters, they’re deplorable. Cut off the head of the snake.
cringy as fuck how they are trying to make that old fuck look cool.
That’s part of the joke, genius. We all get it, an old dude trying to be cool is funny, yet that self awareness is cool, so therefore he’s cool to an extent because we also get that it’s deliberate.
What about the other cringy old fraud who thinks he can run the country into the ground? Is being a piece of shit what passes for cool on his side?
its a real bad joke. it might have been amusing last time, this time its just condescending.
young people are not fond of you because of your warmongering, and what you do is try to ironically win the apparently dumb youth but making cringy jokes instead of like... actually putting a stop to the bad shit you do?
is your baseline now Trump? that aint a high bar.
Warmongering? You don’t know me. I’ve been against every damn war we’ve stuck our noses in for decades.
Dark Brandon? Far less condescending than the people who made up the whole “Brandon” thing in the first place? Can’t handle a little “in your face”?
Typical for the kind of people that are fine with the whole “let’s go Brandon” thing. They’re perfectly happy to trash talk but whine when someone deservedly dishes it back.
Edit: The comment about trump being low AF is the only thing I agree with.
what are you even saying man. regardless of whatever culture war 'brandon' thing, here are some facts as i see them: your current leader declared 3 avoidable wars that are currently ongoing. he has broken up the biggest strike of our time, which might actually have got you worker rights.
is fascism ok because the perpetrator is somehow way more polite now?
Way off base. Not even gonna tackle that, no way to reason you out of a position that you got yourself into without reason.
God luck.
youre bot gonna acke it because you have no argument.
appreciate the attention anyway, have a good day.
Totally.. why cant he have a little more class like trumps artful nfts cards? /s
a literal fascist is your benchmark on how bad you are allowed to be?
Yeah, I think it's weird when they photoshop Trump's head on Rambo's body as well.... But that is besides the point.
thats.. exactly my point tho
Say what you will, but the libs single handedly destroyed fashwave as an aesthetic with the Dark Brandon stuff.
thankfully
There's probably a lesson there, that co-opting and humor are really good ways to castrate fascist messaging.
Biden calling himself Dark Brandon with fashwave imaginary is like if the emo kid parents started listening to MCR, dressed in tight black and pink clothes, and planned trips to go see them in concert.
It just obliterates any coolness the scene would have.
i'd be inclined to agree if it wasnt something new being used by another fascist. this is just meant to target different kind of people.
Why would anyone think Biden is actually posting this shit to social media himself?
Why do they keep hiring interns that want to make Biden seem like trump?
All I want is a functional adult in the White House. But that's just not an option these day.
I'd ask if "moderates" ever feel embarrassed over this stupid shit, but it's been obvious for decades their line is habitually right above republican.
So whatever bullshit Republicans are fine with, give it 4-8 years and both parties are going to act like it's normal.
Biden could have given the traditional pre game interview and alleviated fears of his ability. Instead he cancels it for the second year in a row and the media pretends he's posting "dank memes" and that's just as good.
I don't care.
What?
You have one. Hence the U.S. economy getting back on track, inflation dropping, unemployment low, fuel costs low and infrastructure finally getting rebuilt. Plus much cheaper insulin for seniors.
Ohhhhh! Wait, what you meant is that all you want is someone to do exactly what you want them to do. My mistake.
It’s nearly impossible to argue with manufactured outrage. They don’t want a logical debate. There will be no logic in their argument. Your stance can come from a place of reason, and humanity- and they’ll still shit all over it because it’s what’s cool to do now.
Woohoo I am glad we care more about money instead of the fact that we are supporting the killing of innocent children.
Thank god that almighty dollar is there, it is so much more important than human life!
Yes, believe it or not, being able to pay the bills and feed my family is of a higher priority to me. And while we're at things I can see Trump doing, I'd prefer not to have my queer daughter put in a "conversion therapy" camp.
Ah I see.
To me peoples lives are more important than a conversion camp.
Here’s a secret to life, as long as someone is still alive, we can work on helping them.
Once they’re dead though, completely different.
Sorry, are you saying I should prioritize other people's lives over my child's?
Are you fucking nuts?
You can’t see the difference there, really?
I think you may be being a little shady here, friend, just a little bit deceptive, because I don’t believe that you were stupid enough to not see the difference between supporting the actual physical life of someone and not getting everything you fucking want?
Are you going to be the one putting your daughter in the conversion camp?
No?
Yeah, that’s how the actual conversion camps?
So you’re deliberately trying to make a false equivalence here?
Now you could tell me to worry about other peoples children, but that doesn’t give you the personal grab and shield did it being your own daughter does, does it?
So surely you’re not using loaded language here?
Look at the straight facts, your boy is supporting and directly enabling the killing of 10,000 innocent children.
Ones who will never even get the chance to grow.
That is what you support, you can hide from that fact all you want.
Fuck Trump and Fuck Biden.
They can both die today and we could have 2 more public fucking toilets.
As long as you people keep fucking supporting them no matter what then they will never change.
You people are just as bad as the motherfuckers that have to carry a pistol just to walk to their cars.
You all are letting fear ruin your ability to have anything fucking better.
You are holding the rest of us back with you.
Do you know how many stupid motherfuckers I hear voting for bad people just to “ be moderate” but really they wish they could have insert actual good choice here?
If even half of them would vote for the “not safe” candidate then they would win by a landslide.
Instead people who like the motherfucking status quo hide behind the “safe choice” just so that they can pretend that they are fine with children dying as long as it is far away from them.
Try thinking about something or someone that doesn’t directly affect or connect to you.
“Fuck You, I Got Mine!”, where oh where have I seen that attitude before?
But yeah, I’m glad you can ignore it just because you aren’t affected by it.
That's a lot of words to tell me that I should, in fact, care about other people more than my daughter.
I sincerely hope you don't have children.
Here, let me shorten it.
Yes, there are times that you should, in fact, care about other people more than your daughter.
I care more about other people when they’re hungry, than my child getting an ice cream.
I have taken the money that I was going to use to get there an ice cream to give to someone that was homeless.
It’s almost like we as adults can understand it worse, things can be happening to someone else that we should divert some type of resource away from ourselves in our families to stop the other thing.
Here’s an easier example, there are people all over America that take money that could be used on their children’s toys during Christmas time,and instead donate that money, so that other children can have things.
No. No there absolutely are not. And if you think that and you are a parent, you should absolutely have CPS called on you.
Your examples have nothing to do with a child's welfare, which is obviously what we are talking about here.
And my daughter's welfare, based on what TRUMP HAS ALREADY DONE is at stake here.
You just don't give a shit because you don't care about queer people.
This is probably a foreign concept, but it's important to understand in case you're ever in a plane crash. When the oxygen masks come down, you put your oxygen mask on first. Then you help others.
You're welcome, if you're ever in a plane crash I just saved your life and the people around you. And yes you are welcome because you clearly did not understand the concept based on the comment I'm replying to.
So in this analogy, the 'people in the plane around you' are actually the Palestinian civilialians that we are genociding? And you think it is fine to financially and rhetorically support an ongoing genocide as long as domestic issues are being taken care of?
This seems to be the opposite of the "we can walk and chew gum at the same time" type of rhetoric we hear often from the Democrats.
To where is the helping others part here?
Is… is it inside all of the bombs?
Is that why Israel is dropping so many bombs for all the help that’s inside of them?
Shit! I didn’t know, my bad.
Human life is supported by the almighty dollar. Like it or not, that’s how it is. I have to feed my children, don’t I? And Biden did the best he could to get the economy back on track. He succeeded. But by all means, let’s not give him any credit because he is not perfect.
This person actually thinks you and I should put other people's lives over our own children's lives.
False equivalence they aren’t both ending in death.
With a proper support system, your daughter will be fine no matter what the outside world is like
"It's okay if your daughter suffers as long as she doesn't die."
Fucking listen to yourself.
My daughter will not be fine. This is what Trump did in his first term:
https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community
Trump is a clear and present danger to queer people.
The fact is that you just don't give a shit about queer people.
So what is the exchange rate between “potential things that trump might do” and actual physical deaths that Biden has supported.
How many deaths does it take to change your mind?
How many of other people’s children are you willing to sacrifice to keep biden in the White House?
How many deaths did Trump cause 2016-2020? Care to count them? It’s not about what Trump might do. It’s about what he’s done and has promised that he will do.
Dictator for a day.
What do you think that means exactly?
Play the same game with Biden and trump.
That is how it should be, just because one does something doesn’t mean you forgive the other if they do it just because they are on the same side as you.
Fuck them both. Trump killed people through not acting with Covid.
Trump is a complete and total piece of shit just like fucking Biden.
I do not give a shit how good you made the fucking economy or whatever.
You are still giving bombs to people to kill children with.
I’m not gong to argue with you just to get my comments deleted and accounts banned.
Your wrong. And your decision to fold your arms and pout instead of voting will potentially cost the rest of us our democracy.
I hope you are okay to live with that. Because it Will be YOUR fault.
Blocking you now so as to avoid losing my ability to continue posting here.
Yes, you've already made it clear that you don't give a shit about queer people.
this is bad faith
No. No it isn't. They told me I shouldn't be worried about what Trump will do to my queer daughter based on what he has done in the past. That clearly shows they have no problem with what Trump has done in the past because they don't think what he did was bad enough already.
They also suggested that my daughter would be fine as long as she doesn't die.
So I stand by what I said. They don't give a shit about queer people.
>They told me I shouldn’t be worried about what Trump will do to my queer daughter based on what he has
done in the past. That clearly shows they have no problem with what Trump has done in the past because they don’t think what he did was bad enough already.
wrong. they may have major problems with it, but they may have even bigger problems with what biden is doing now on some other front. they can care about two things at the same time.
So that, to you, is worth all of the dead children that have happened because of the weapons we sent?
I think the deal is more "My family is safe and healthy and that is important to me" over "wow I don't care at all about dead foreign kids."
In a 2-party system, sometimes that's the best you can get... and frankly, I give more of a shit about myself and my friends/family who would be much worse off under Republicans than Democrats, enough that if I have to id vote Democrat every time until the immediate threat of Republicans is dealt with.
And again, because you just don't seem to get it, Republicans have an even worse track record on the middle east lol. (Not intended as a whataboutism - more as an explanation that the two-party system sucks, and how not voting for one effectively means the other wins)
No all you want to do is shit on Biden because it's all you do. Apparently adults can't have a sense of humor.
Me, I'm just blocking and moving on. I've seen enough of the Macedonian Contractor Troll Farm pablum. They're in every politics thread now.
And just like the highly suspicious stop oil protests that inexplicably target museums, I don't disagree with some of their points at all but the way they're being complete fucking idiots about it means we're done here.
Damn those Macedonian trolls must be working overtime to hijack polls to put Biden's approval 17 points underwater and put him 5 points behind Trump.
Apparently 86% of Americans are Macedonian trolls who think Biden is too old to serve a second term.
All these Macedonian trolls that barely trust Biden more on climate change, gun violence, and abortion than trust neither Trump nor Biden.
Oh the horror!
Someone wants a functional president who does interviews and addresses concerns of voters!!!
If someone wants that instead of an intern posting shitty memes that means they're a hater and we ignore every criticism they have!
Kanye fuck West said that's reality and trump is so far gone that Biden acting like Kanye is totally fine and nothing to worry about!
/S
Fuck off with that stupid shit.
Americans are allowed to want more than the current shit show.
If you want a political party where voters cant criticize an elected official, feel free to try and get republicans back to the middle instead following them to right dragging the dead body of FDRs party.
At least be honest. You don't want a functional president, you want a left-leaning one. That's fine, but at least represent yourself accurately. Otherwise you're just acting with the same childishness as the guys on the other side of the aisle.
From a pure functionality perspective, he's gotten a shitload done. Even if you don't agree with it all, like helping Netanyahu and such.
American “left” is really right and it’s disgusting people with or without critical thinking skills can’t recognize that.
No, we know, those of us that lean left-for-an-American, anyway. We just don't want an actual communist state. They have this nasty habit of turning into dictatorships somehow. We at least get to throw our shitheels out of office periodically, without having to resort to violence.
there is no such thing as a communist state. communism is stateless.
Right. My bad. State-moving-towards-a-communist-society then.
i don't want that either.
Full Communism NOW!
Yeah, I'm not sure there's a viable blueprint for that. Something has to handle huge moving bands of guys with guns, tanks and artillery. Otherwise they kill you and take your stuff.
People with critical thinking skills are able to recognize that left and right have different meanings depending on the frame and context. In an American economic frame, Democrats are left, but in a European economic frame their beliefs are center right.
Similarly, in an American social frame, Democrats are left, and in a European social frame, their beliefs are left as well. Labour is disgustingly TERF, and significantly further right than Democrats when it comes to trans rights.
Immigration as well, the American frame tends to be more left than Europe. The recent bipartisan agreement was rather center for Europe, but right for the US. European immigration policy tends to not be as leftist.
Frankly, it's just economic reductionism to say "the American left is actually right". I can look at Europe and see pretty clearly that Democrats are solidly left on social issues to the point of exceeding some European parties.
Biden is perfectly functional even if you don’t agree with the specifics. Comparing him to trump is utterly disingenuous. Posting one joke every now and again is a far, far cry from the deranged ranting we see out of trump every day.
The issue isn't the one joke
The issue is he once again skipped the pregame interview. Despite constant criticism of his mental ability, he never sits down for an interview.
Hell give a 5 minute speech or a quick comment. And usually mix up a couple words.
There's no primary debate, they'll be general debate, Biden needs to actually show Americans he can at least hold a conversation, and there was literally no better opportunity than the traditional pregame interview.
But he didn't do that, and people want me to clap for him like an intern doesn't run his twitter.
If Trump somehow ends up as the Republican candidate again, we won’t get any coherent general debates anyway. And besides, I only ever hear criticisms about his mental state from right wingers as it is, so I find it hard pressed to care.
You think Dark Brandon didn’t do this? You simple fool…
Trump skipped the White House Correspondence Dinners.
And we all know we can't ask for anything better than that...
Have you watched them? I find them to be hilarious no matter who is being joked about or by.
Exceptionally misguided comment (EGC)
I got a chuckle out of it. the real problem with biden is he's funding a genocide abroad while going easy on secessionists at home.
He's got a couple.
But mentioning them in comments or articles gets a shit ton of down votes.
People really think talking about problems is worse than the problems and we should ignore them
It's not because we don't think problems should be talked about, it's that you're comparing a functional adult to Trump and acting like you can't tell the difference. I'll help, there's only one real difference: Biden isn't a fucking traitor. That's the one that we care about.
So drop the act, bud. This one is too simple even for the dullards like me to forget: Trump is a traitor, Biden is not, and we don't vote for traitors.
Nope
Biden is a better president than trump, that's indisputable.
That doesn't mean Biden is good enough to be president.
Hell, I don't even know you, but I fell confident you're better than trump. If you wouldn't support a genocide, I'd say you're a better option than both of them.
It's a pretty low bar, lots of potential candidates not only would be a better president, but more importantly have a better chance of winning the election.
Hey, I want AOC to run, but until then I'm not going to discourage people from voting for the only candidate who's not going to piledrive the US headfirst into the dirt.
So again, drop the act. Yeah you want a better candidate than Biden, great; that's not the choice. The choice is Biden or Trump. If you don't vote for Biden, your voting for Trump. If you don't believe that fine, stop reading; if you do, there's nothing more to say anyway.
You still don't get it...
This is the same shit we went thru with Hillary.
Biden is unpopular. He will depress turnout. Depressed turnout is how republican presidents are made.
I hope some day you get that, but I'm not explaining it again.
YOU still don't get it. On the surface, you act like Biden and Trump are the same, when they're not. It's nice you think I'd make a better president than Trump, but a literal rock would make a better president as that's incapable of treason.
Unless you have a plan to change the Democratic nominee this year, all you're doing is depressing voter turnout by encouraging people to forget one simple fact: Biden is not a traitor.
I do hope you'll understand someday soon, but until then you can have this block, because I'm not explaining it again.
How many genocides did trump actively support?
Fucking 0?!?!?!?
You mean besides the one he wants to start when he's elected?
https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2023/11/13/trump-hitler-vermin-nazi-biden
There was also his threat to nuke North Korea, which would be a genocide.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-discussed-using-nuclear-weapon-north-korea-2017-blaming-someone-rcna65120
Then there was his threat of cultural genocide in Iran...
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/06/794006073/trump-says-hell-target-iran-s-cultural-sites-that-s-illegal
And of course there's the genocides that Trump wouldn't admit ever happened.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/trump-administration-declines-label-rohingya-slaughter-genocide-report/story?id=58055717
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/trump-administration-armenian-genocide/index.html
As far as his Israeli policy? He acknowledged that Israel's claim that Jerusalem, a city divided between Israelis and Palestinians, was Israel's capital, pretty much ending any hope for peace.
https://apnews.com/article/1d4e1824283f41eaa8422227fa8e6ea7
So sure, he did not literally directly support an ongoing genocide... but I think it's clear that he would.
He threatens a lot of shit.
Lmk when Mexico pays for that wall.
Good job ignoring every single link I posted and only going with the very first sentence of my post.
I'm assuming you didn't even read the rest based on that.
He committed more US troops to help the Saudis against Yemen.
So maybe after trump wins this time you guys will meet us on the side of supporting a president that isn’t sending bombs to kill innocent children.
If you keep letting them support genocidal actions win the vote when someone else would have easily won just by not supporting genocidal actions, then you get what you deserve.
Have fun dealing with your shit sandwich, maybe after trump 2 electric boogaloo y’all will stop supporting the killing of innocent babies
Better a traitor than a genocidal action supporting motherfucker.
They're not mutually exclusive and Trump will do the same or worse as has already been seen.
Also, you're wrong.
See you say that, but he was in office and we still supported 0 genocides.
So the total score is 0 genocides to 1
This is a perfect example of why you shouldn't be taken seriously. The idea that Biden is supporting genocide and that Trump didn't and/or won't is absurd on its face. There's nothing wrong with criticizing Biden or his administration, but you're misleading (at best) when you act like Biden is the greater threat. He's not. That's an objective fact. Anyone arguing otherwise is not operating in good faith.
So, you are applying what you think might happen compared to me applying what has actually happened.
History hasn't happened? Trump didn't enable a shitload of dictators already? He hasn't constantly expressed adoration for authoritarians around the world? He hasn't explicitly stated he would do the same thing again? Trump, the person who was so tough on Bibi? Trump, the person who moved our embassy in Israel?
It's like history reset the moment Biden was inaugurated. All the horrible awful shit Trump has and will continue to enable doesn't matter anymore for some reason (or it straight up didn't happen apparently). You're living in a completely different reality than the rest of the planet I guess?
If you said "Biden is bad because of X and Trump is worse because of Y" we'd be having a totally different conversation, but you don't want to do that do you? You said none of it happened. You don't want to make that comparison because it shows us one of two things (maybe both idk):
Fuck Trump and fuck Biden. They are both public toilets waiting to happen.
Show me someone else, oh wait even ducking Biden admits 50 other democrats could beat trump.
We all know that you guys will vote for whoever it is, so that means that y’all are sticking with him.
I assume out of fear, you could run a fucking solid commie against trump and it wouldn’t change his fucking stats much.
This is an anti trump fucking fight and the figurehead doesn’t matter, you are proving that right now, and could have run anyone and the people whose main goal is “not trump” would not change.
None of which ran. You're absolutely right, the figurehead doesn't matter at this point. That's why spending all of your time bitching about Biden, who is the most viable option RIGHT NOW, and completely ignoring that there is literally one other option is pointless. You're just trying to convince people the best of two bad options is still bad. Everyone knows that. How is that productive? There is not a single progressive candidate that can win the 2024 general election for president. This has already happened. You cannot change your options for 2024. There is Biden or Trump. Those are your options for the general election. You don't like Biden, great. Join myself and all the others working on primarying conservative Democrats (like Joe Biden) out of the party.
And again, if you think Biden and Trump are equal threats: you have no idea what you're talking about.
You do realize that Israel was not suddenly funded and armed by the US when Biden was elected, right? Trump's administration gave them plenty of money and weapons, and showed strong support for Netanyahu. He empowered an apartheid regime, and when recently asked about the Palestinian genocide, he said he wouldn't accept any Palestinian refugees.
So, your position puts you in favor of denying Palestinian refugees while their genocide continues. You'd prefer for Trump to have a genocide of 1.5 (or whatever denying genocide refugees would be worth numerically) vs Biden at 1, because Trump happened to not be in power when Israel decided to use their weapons from the US to ramp up airstrikes.
Oh! And you are aware that this genocide has been going on for a while now right? Not just since 2021? So Trump was not only in support of a genocide, he was buddy buddy with Netanyahu. At least Biden seems to hate the man.
I truly don't understand your logic. You've willfully contorted yourself to give Trump a pass to instead criticize Biden.
Fuck Donald Trump. Is that clear enough for you?
I never thought Biden’s was that great of a present, but he was exactly what I expected, a middle of the line milquetoast gonna pull off what he can thing.
Then he kept giving weapons to the Israelis, I can’t forgive that.
Unfortunately these are the two options you have. One of the two will happen anyway even if you abstain.
But trump also supports Israel and thinks Israel should have exclusive claim over Jerusalem??!
Is correct point of view, though. Many people see great leader like Putin and agree that elections of weak Biden are not good. I too am a concerned Leftie Swift who is also transgender and of color.
They’re both poop, so just preferring the smell of one steaming pile over the other doesn’t make it better. Turning and burning in the sun and fertilize healthier crops may.
Biden has been one of the most progressive presidents in decades. But you didn't get your cookies and milk, so he's poop. Got it.
Some people think that Lemmy should be more like 4chan. Downvotes are Life and all that.
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spankdownvote me harder please, daddies!wdym? 4chan infamously doesn't have a ratings system, things are posted chronologically, and the currency is how many triggered idiots you can get to respond to your bait posts, rather than upvotes or downvotes. Which is why the platform tends to be edgy, and contrarian, and full of attention begging half-wits. Rather than devolving into echo chambers, and people posting like 10 inside baseball lowest common denominator references to a TV show's joke, where they just play out a bit verbatim, like every fucking reddit, or reddit imitator.
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oh. THAT probably explains all the downvotes to my own comment then, thanks! :-P