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The decline of legal streaming, through the dividing up of content onto multiple expensive streaming platforms, has pushed me away from legal options onto the black/grey market where I can get much more content for much less on a more convenient single platform.

They were never competing with cable but with piracy. Of all media sellers it seems Gabe Newell was unique in understanding that

By all accounts Gabe isn't also a gargantuan piece of shit, which also sets him apart from the other media sellers.

Somehow my mind read over the isn't and I had to deeply think on Wtf I missed and couldn't come up with shit

What did Gabe do differently? I can’t recall any specifics

He noted piracy was an issue of service and ease of availability, not price. Case in point, it’s far easier for me to wait for a Steam sale and have a legal game than it is for me to go through all the effort of waiting for a decent crack, torrenting the game, and then waiting for the crack to the patch because of something that doesn’t run well.

I used to pirate games to “sample” them, and now it’s simply easier to just buy through Steam. If I hate it…oh, well. It only cost $10 through a Steam, GOG, or Humble Bundle sale.

Video streaming used to be somewhat like this when everything was through Netflix. One place to get everything you wanted was far easier than trying to acquire things through piracy.

Now, however, you’ve got to have 6 different streaming services to get what used to require only one, and with the price of hard drives going down every year, it’s actually easier to torrent what I want and just have things in my personal collection that’s never going to just get removed suddenly because NBC Universal decides that they want a piece of the pie as well.

You can ask a refund for any Steam game after a few hours of play. Refund is full, no questions asked. I've done it multiple times with games that just didn't click for me.

Also pirating games needs a lot of space. First for setup files and then as much or even more space to install the game.

Installing games from Steam is much more space efficient.

One of the best things about Steam is not having to store install ISOs so I can reinstall games when I upgrade.

From a business standpoint that might make sense. In my opinion though, what we now call "piracy" is really a superior model of universal access to information. As-is we're needlessly holding back humanity in the name of promoting profit for rights holders.

Provides a better service and doesn't just jack up the price. Steam sales are some of the best discounts around. Embraced Linux and worked to build upon its open foundations to deliver a great handheld which is open . Great customer service in general. Obviously there will always be people pissed off but going by sales and the general vibe I think it largely favors a positive position.

I think steam is a private company so there are no shareholders to crack the whip. They seem to be good to their staff too and give back to the Linux community.

He specifically stated that before, and also in general just focused on making steam accessible. Some people have issues with steam and what it has for annoying DRM, but compared to what EA and Ubisoft did with their platforms, Steam doesn't shine itself down your throat, doesn't bloat everything, and has a massive library.

Spotify seems to have done well enough on that front as well.

I think this is true for most people on Lemmy. But I do wonder what the average streaming users will do. What about "free" streaming platforms like Channel 4 in the UK? Content is king, and the path of least resistance will always trump.

Two days after the Super Mario movie hit theaters I walked into my barber shop and it was playing in 4K on the TV. HDMI streaming sticks loaded with self updating piracy apps with a simple Netflix-like interface can be found easily by most consumers.

Can you link to something? This could be useful for my old man.

In my household, where we pirate very very rarely if ever (the last time I’m aware of was 2010, though I’m not the software engineer in the relationship), we plan to: a) cycle between apps as needed; and b) frankly, watch less tv. We’re watching a couple of things on Netflix right now but once we’re done, that’s the next to go, much to my kids’ dismay. They’ll get over it.

Pluto TV is massively popular with my older relatives. Free, plays the shows they like, and they don't care about the obnoxious ads. Luckily none of them have bought the fake gold coins, Trumpy Bears (don't even look it up), or Shitty My Pillows yet.

I'm back to sailing the high seas and dumping my loot into Plex.

Same here on Jellyfin.

I was always 100% on board with paying 50-100 bucks a month for being able to watch anything I wanted, whenever I wanted, in perpetuity — for the rest of my life.

Instead, capitalism chose to fracture all content behind multiple paywalls that don't even host the content I want to watch, or censor/change it so that I can never watch the OG versions I want to watch, so I've instead been spending 50-100 bucks a month on computing hardware to download it and host it myself for over a decade.

I'll continue to fucking do it too, because these soulless sociopath leeches don't deserve a cent from me. They don't even fucking pay their content creators or staff a decent wage, and will spend 10x more just to screw their workers. At this point I'd prefer them to fail and collapse, so I'll continue not giving them money — I'm doing my part!

Can we stop over-simplifying corporate greed as "capitalism"?

Ten years ago Netflix gave is the solution all of us wanted, and that was also capitalism.

I wholeheartedly agree. Capitalism isn't the issue here, corporate greed and not understanding the market is the issue. A free market allows better solutions to come into play, hopefully driving the price down of a greedy service.

Use your local library! Thousands of Blu-ray/DVD titles for free you can check out and rip freely. And then you don’t have to worry about any nasty letters from your ISP.

I honestly didn't even include a DVD/BluRay drive in my PC build, so can't really use those. And I tunnel all that traffic through Proton VPN, so ISP isn't an issue.

If you have a spare USB 3 port and a spare power outlet, then you can get an external 4K Bluray drive for $100 or less.

It may be cheaper to just buy an old PC for this purpose.

An old, sub-$100 PC isn’t going to be able to read 4K blurays, and if you only want a regular bluray reader then those drives are even cheaper.

Love this! Supporting your community library and building your trove of booty at the same time lol.

I also like to collect physical media from my favorite artists, so I also rip from those disks and get the best of all worlds :)

Most libraries always give you access to Kanopy to steam movies/documentaries. Just need your library card and the app.

Indeed however that would necessitate having an optical drive

They’re pretty cheap, I have one that can read 4K blurays. About $70. I get access to all sorts of hard to find movies, and my library will even order blurays for me if they don’t have it in their catalog (up to 30 per year)

Yeah, this is much less chaotic. It's not even about the cost so much as the convince now.

BTW I use the plex discovery search to find stuff across streaming services. This deserves a shoutout here. Could be better but I haven't found a better solution. Google voice search on my nvidia shield used to be good at this but it's really degraded lately.

Justwatch.com works well for finding the service hosting the show you want to watch.

It's particularly bad at MAX right now. Several times I've been told a title was available and it wasn't.

How do you use Plex? Can it work on a fire stick?

Yes. There is a legit plex app on fire stick and roku. It comes with free live TV and on Demand content, but you can also run your own server on your network with your own downloaded content. If you have an IPTV service you can stream that through plex as well.

Note that Jellyfin is a similar app/server that works the same way and is totally free. Plex is also free, but there are additional features behind the pay wall like GPU decoding, PVR service for IPTV, and others.

Plex - in the way users here are describing (important context since Plex’s management has recently shifted heavily to trying to be like Pluto.TV with less emphasis on its original purpose) works as an application that acts like a library for your own media collection.

There are 2 required parts to it :

  1. A “server” or “host” which acts as your library.
  2. A client - like an NVIDIA Shield, your phone, PlayStation, Roku, or eve your Fire Stick.

Without your own server with content stored on it, or at least a friend’s server credentials you can connect to, you are limited to the “Pluto.TV” type ad-driven media collection.

So the answer is “yes it works on a fire stick,” but you will need #1 also for it to be the single source library for your content and not just another ad-riddled garbage service.

You need something to host it on like a PC or even a Shield plus storage space

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I see an irony in the fact that I can't read this damn article without paying for yet another media / news subscription service. Stop linking to pay walls Lemmites!

If there just was a way to micro pay for a single article. But no, it always has to be subscription based.

Completely agree. Everyone despises crypto now, but it would be perfect for this.

They'd do it if it made them money. Spoiler Alert...

There's no real financial model to support good journalism. People should be aware of the food sites out there so they can make a decision to subscribe. Also, I hate the flood of trash articles that just link the pay walled articles and quote 2 sentences from it. At that point I'd rather a lemmy poster link the paywalled article and provide the choice quotes themselves in the comments to save me the ad fest and ad consent pop ups just to read 2 quotes and a bunch of fluff.

The irony of a pay-walled article from one of the 50+ news websites requiring subscriptions complaining about fragmented streaming services is palpable.

Was there a single website where all news can post their article and be supported by a subscription model before this? If there isn't, how is this comparison relevant?

Piracy

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The sad thing is that people would pay if it just wasn't so frustrating. I remember coming home from a NYE 10yrs ago or so, and had made up my mind to watch the latest season of Vikings. I was ready to pay for it, and there literally was no legal way for me to get it. So I sailed the high seas.

Wait... You're telling me people will pay for quality service and convenience? That's crazy! My earth is shattered.

The streaming services have managed to completely forget their business model of being marginally more convenient than piracy.

As for me, though, I'll start ripping my DVDs. I'll sail the high seas when I have to, but I'd may as well get hard copies of my favourite films and TV shows.

Until Disney decides it better to quit the physical market (they did it already in one region)

And that's where the piracy comes in. How do you think I've been watching The Owl House?

By subscribing to D+, surrendering your soul, finding out that it's unavailable in your region, trying to import the BD/DVD, failing because of import tax or shipping not offered to that region and then dusting of the good black hat and saying Arrr matey?

Almost. I tried t' get it on DVD, but one o' th' sellers were bein' based in China, and th' other were bein' a "large retailer" operatin' out o' a garage in London, and not th' nice part. I had already been piratin', but I thought I'd try t' get it legitimately t' support th' people who worked on th' show. Aarrr! Few movies and series be good enough t' earn that, in me book.

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'They could not live with their own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." -- Piracy

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Just sails the seven fucking seas

It is so much more convienient. I had Disney+, Amazon and Netflix a year ago and it was too much to bother to open the apps and search if they have what i wanted to watch, only to find out it was on HBO or whatever.

Plus they keep making me verify my account and log back in. Such a hassel.

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I blame Disney in particular. People are just so short-sighted.

Disney felt like a tipping point for me (and Netflix's new role as a production company). It was only when that came about that people like Paramount started offering their own services (idk how true that is but it's certainly how it felt).

I still pay for Disney+ right now, but a big part of the appeal of streaming for me was having lots of stuff in one place. Now it's just cable/satellite all over again.

It’s just cable/satellite all over again.

Not really though. We can get it ad-free, and watch content on our schedules, not theirs.

I never left the high seas because I knew the sociopaths running these corps would screw everything eventually. It was obvious with the way they treated music streaming...

Even though I completely stopped pirating music a decade ago, since I could listen to everything I wanted to on Spotify, when I paid for Netflix I'd still torrent the content I liked. Now that content is no longer on Netflix, but they are still on my hard drives, and I can watch them wherever I want.

If consumers stopped paying for streaming services en mass, they'd be forced to change their business model, but they'll keep making money by screwing both consumers and their workers because consumers are people, and people are idiots.

This was a Very inevitable situation due to the fragmentation of Programs that are scattered across multiple Networks.

If only there was a solution to this problem of greed….

Don't support companies who would try to geoblock you if they could.

Also, using a VPN to circumvent rules is against the TOS on most services. Don't support that with your wallet.

I’m pretty sure you’ve got it wrong. Their TOSes can get fucked, with a VPN you do not need to even USE those services to watch everything on them.

Piracy ftw. I can’t be bothered signing up for all this shit.

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Yaaargh mateys, you do be asking the wrong questions.

I don't even understand what they're talking about. "Streaming?" Is that some sort of a water sport involving small rivers?

Jellyfin is a great alternative system. You just have to get the shows and movies somewhere which also isn't that hard cough cough

https://jellyfin.org

How does this compare to Plex?

I haven't used plex in a while, honestly, after they pushed more things I didn't wanted. But for me it works awesome. I am a Linux user, it just installed straight out of the box, and works. Has a great web interface, and a mobile app that gets better and better. It gets all movie and show info from the internet, its honestly awesome.

Ne'er should one relinquish control of thine own vessel. Back to the seas shall we voyage mateys!

Also, 12ft.io

Is there any reason to not pirate the movies?

If you are ok with the hassle, the risk and possible consequences, then do whatever you want.

But this is not a fix to the issue broadly, and just boycotting stuff will most likely not work as well, to change the situation.

The only effective way would be changes in law and government incentives. So instead start being politically active and push for these changes there.

hassle? what's easier then search, click and play

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I'm with you my Plex Library is growing alot lately. I'm not paying for 10 different streaming services. I limit myself to one and anything else not on it is getting downloaded. At lot of the movies I have I have also paid to see in theaters. Some even more than once like across the spider verse and the barbie movie .

On a macro scale, they'll stop making those movies if they aren't financially viable. Cheap lowest common denominator shit will be all we get.

I mean the streaming services will keep increasing their prices and actors / staff will see less profit as a result of lack of active users..

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My favorite part of every conversation about a new show someone tells me i "just have to see" is when they "oh yeah do you have xstreamingservice?" And i tell them i have me ways

"Oh you should definitely check out Mr. Inbetween"

"Is it on Netflix?"

"idk it's on my plex"

If I have to google which streaming service a PBS show is on for my kid to watch. Something's messed

PBS shows are free on its own app/website though...

You'd think that, wouldn't you?

In actuality, they pull shit like only having the most recent season of things and whatnot. For example, there's no good reason why the PBS Kids Roku channel wouldn't have all 4666 episodes of Sesame Street, but it doesn't.

may i introduce you to the ARD Mediathek where 'Die Sendung mit der Maus' (a kind of sciency kids show) can have, by law, only the latest episode available for streaming. some other things may be available for longer, but it's still pretty stupid...

It could be related to the HBO deal which if I recall bankrolls Sesame Street.

I started to use Mr. Roger's Neighborhood as an example, but switched to Sesame Street for effect since the former "only" has 922 episodes. The point is, PBS does the same thing with all their shows. It doesn't matter who makes it; everything from Arthur to Word Girl only has a dozen or so episodes available at any given time.

(Ditto for non-kids PBS stuff like Nova or This Old House, for that matter, I think. Even on Youtube they only make the latest few seasons available and remove access to everything older in hopes you'll buy DVDs or something.)

It might be a rights issue. Not sure if PBS owns the rights, the Fred Rogers Company, or someone else. A lot of it doesn't seem available at all. I came across a near complete archive from a twitch stream though if you're interested: https://archive.org/details/@ipoy143

Yeah, I've run across that (it's surprising how much stuff you can get from archive.org). Unfortunately, I don't currently have enough disk space for it!

It can't only be a rights issue though, because, again, PBS restricts access to the back catalog of literally everything regardless of who owns it.

It wouldn’t be uncommon for the rights to be divided up and sold per season given the context of children’s content. They are a nonprofit.

Friendly reminder that PLEX is a great, free service, you just have to put in the effort to build up a media collection. High capacity HDDs are very cheap now, so storing a large media collection isn't particularly expensive.

They also offer a lifetime "Plex pass" which adds some neat, but non-essential features, like auto-skipping intros and credits sequences for instance. It's not necessary, but it's a nice way to show support for what they do.

Jellyfin is an open source alternative without any subscription or fees

https://jellyfin.org/

Don't use Plex. Used it for a long time until open source jellyfin came by. I never looked back.

I remember having some issue with plex, finding out it was a known issue and had been logged on their issue tracker for YEARS with no progress. They're one of those companies who prioritise shiny new features over actually maintaining the existing ones.

The amount of media we have instant access to has reached a level that I find intimidating rather than inviting. Consuming media is becoming more of a chore than a pleasure. Dividing the available media into more services is a plus for me, if I am honest.

I have access to a streaming service, and if they don't have anything I'm interested in, I just walk away and read a book, play a game, put on some music, go outside, or do my chores.

The days when I thought there were things I "should" watch/read/play/listen to are long gone. Not being driven by what is "the thing to do" makes life so much better.

Not having much choice also makes life easier. There were times when I spent more time clicking around in the flood of what I could consume than I did choosing and enjoying. Now, if I can't decide in less than 5 minutes, I take it as a sign that I should do something else.

Seriously. There's way too much content and no way most of it is worth my time. If it is, people will still be talking about it in a couple decades, and then I'll think about it.

too much content and no way most of it is worth my time.

That's why I cut the cord many years ago.

Most months I only have 1 streaming subscription, and for a couple of months each year I don't have any.

As the old song said "I've got 57 channels and there's nothing on"

According to the Paradox of Choice, when you have to choose from lots of options, you're likely to be less satisfied with the same end product.

There are an absurd amount of perfectly good books and /or audio books out there. TV or movie as the only way to pass the time indoors may stop being the case. If it does I'm ready.

The basic problem with media is that copyright creates a monopoly for 100 years or so depending on various factors. This means that unless you're into Arthur Conan Doyle or whatever, the media landscape is fundamentally monopolistic.

The prices keep going up and I have already set a max price in my mind for each subscription I'm on based on the content they provide over the year. I as a consumer don't have infinite money.

This Summer has been particularly bad. I think every subscription I have has gone up 15-20%.

I'll pay for a few streaming services that can keep something I want to watch in stock year around. For the ones that can't, their shows go onto a seedbox with plex and sonarr.

This is the way. I pay for Sling TV because there are some shows (Drag Race, SNL, Sunday Fox cartoons) that I prefer to watch while they're still in the zeitgeist, YouTube Premium, and Hulu. That covers pretty much all of my watching habits and I don't feel left out of anything.

For anything else, there's piracy™️

I have just about the opposite problem, as someone who has been known to pirate in the past. I find there is so much content out there that it's harder for me to decide what to watch over where to go to find it.

That’s literally one of my hobbies, building my collection of media. Plex lifetime pass ftw

The bigger the collection the harder the choice of what to watch lol

Well, how? I go to my mighty little website and they give it to me for free...

piracy is way more convinient, especially with apps like CloudStream.
Or transmission/qbittorrent + rss + jellyfin + findroid for a self hosted alternative.

Most evenings, I find myself stuck in this phase, during which time I am likely to cycle through something resembling the five stages of grief. There’s Denial (I swear I had a Paramount+ account); Anger (I cannot believe I have to pay for Paramount+); Bargaining (I promise I will cancel my subscription after the one-week Paramount+ trial period ends); Depression (I cannot believe I didn’t remember to cancel Paramount+ after the trial period ended); and Acceptance (Let’s just head to Netflix and watch Suits).

Do people not realize you can cancel your subscription immediately after registering. The cancelation just stops the automatic monthly renewal. No one wants to deal with the hassle of pro rating and refunding partial used monthly subscriptions, so cancelling renewal is all it does.

I got 3 months free paramount and I canceled the subscription, and it expired in a week instead of 3 months. Its such bullshit.

Really? Whenever I cancel it usually tells me the renewal date pretty explicitly, and the cancel just stops renewing on that date. Maybe if it's 3 free months, you need to keep the monthly process in active status since it's a free renewal?

I guess it depends in what country with which regulation you are in.

I’m sorry, but I really don’t get it… the bigger question is and always has been where can I watch it.

It was a bit easier during the beginning of the streaming era, but never that easy, especially in Europe…

I need a stupid app (JustWatch) to tell me where I can watch a movie or show… so how is it easy to watch? It’s also not easy if I need 4+ streaming services…

It's always been, what should i watch. There just used to be the caveat of how.

When lost for what to watch, goto /r/InterdimensionalCable

GTFO with your subreddit nonsense! (In the nicest way possible.)

After just a few times of trying to watch something and not knowing which or if it was on any of my services I went straight back to the places I know will have exactly what I'm looking for in a couple clicks. Things have only gotten worse since then with the explosion of the number of streaming services.

Personally, that's one of the reasons why I haven't bothered to watch a TV series for almost a decade now. Between this, the constant crackdown on piracy, the outrageous prices for original media, and the constant moral issues from popular culture icons and media CEOs, I'd rather sleep in my free time

Just get yourself a VPN. You can torrent safely that way

I still use my DVD/Blu-ray by mail subscription from Netflix. Practically everything was available that way. I will be canceling Netflix for a while after that goes away at the end if the month. I plan to just rotate through which services I subscribe to.

“What should Ie watch?” is the question not because the quality of the offerings is so good, but because generally the offerings are absolute crap. Free current B movies are a lucky find, the rest is all old C and D list crap. You can’t even find highly regarded classics like Schindler’s List or Shawshank Redemption for free most of the time.

It’s unbundling all the way down. Charge for the service, charge for the quality of service (# of devices, 4k or not), then charge for the better content.

As people get accustomed to crap, there will be more money in crap than in great films, so the crap will start to become the norm, and it will become very difficult to find quality.

I don't know much, but Stremio does a fairly good job listing streaming services for anything searched

It’s like the author never used the search function on a set top box. Most will allow you to add a program to a master queue and then will show you what channel(s) the program is on when you want to watch it. And unlike cable, you don’t have to call to add the channel when you don’t have it, or to cancel when you no longer want it.

Streaming services need to be federated, so there is a central search for content, and services are paid seamlessly for what's watched on their platforms. The customer barely needs to know who delivers the content.

Doesn't Roku, Comcast STB, and other OTT devices do just that? You speak into the remote or search. It spits out all possible streaming options to choose from, preferencing the services you have accounts or subscriptions for?

Comcast does it for sure. It's the only way I can get my parents to use streaming services. When they don't know they are doing it. It's expensive as hell, but it does work well.

My Samsung TV kind of let's you do that by searching though the TVs UI and it telling you if and where it's available. I rarely use it.

"what do I want to watch" is stupid hard, cmon. I spend most of my time watching the roku screen saver.
How? If it's not on my plex it's probably on a friends.
I'm tired of this expensive fragmented bullshit.

Honestly, the only reason I have Netflix in the first place is because it came bundled with my ISP. Can't cancel it without phoning them up and I'm much too lazy to do so.

Thanks man. People like you are keeping the economy afloat. I run a business and I kept charging a customer thinking when he calls , i'll return the money. He called after 9 months and guess who kept the interest on all his money ? Again, thank you all of you.

Roku has a great voice search which works across all of the installed apps. I can just ask it for a movie, and it tells me which services have it.

I've heard a lot about setting up a Plex or a Jellyfin server locally, but from what I can tell they are just media storage platforms and in order to watch anything you would have to add your own content. In this age of digital content, it is very unlikely for a simpleton like me to go out and purchase hundreds of movie disks separately and manually load them into my CD drive to even have a fraction of the catalogue these streaming services combined provide. Also torrenting really isn't a viable option for me as I personally use a free tier Proton VPN which doesn't allow P2P, and even if I did get a proper one, I would still be limited to availability of seeds for movies I want to watch, which may or may not exist depending on the popularity of the said movie. I currently use a niche streaming site to watch my movies without any issues. Are self hosted plex/jellyfin servers really for a person like me?

Jellyfin is the way to go. Yes, you'll have to download your own content. It's more work, but I definitely think it's worth it. Use qBitTorrent as your client, and sites like yts.mx are great for movies.

limited to availability of seeds for movies I want to watch,

Unless you're into SUPER niche stuff, that's not an issue. If you ARE into super niche stuff, it wouldn't be on streaming services anyway. Anything on streaming services is mainstream and easily downloadable.

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I just subscribe to everything. Even a few niche services like britbox.

After taking into account credit card kickbacks, discounts from T-Mobile, and discounts from annual plans, I pay about 1/3 less than I did for cable with all the movie stations and DVR service back in the early aughts. And I'm even counting adding basic cable to my Internet (I use an app to stream that so no extra box). And I'm not even accounting for 20 years of inflation, with that it's about a 60% reduction.

So I pay 60% less after inflation for almost every movie and TV show ever made commercial free on demand on any device I own anywhere in the world (some programming changes apply) and live news and sports with the cable app (I don't think I've tried the cable app overseas though).

It used to be appointment TV with non-premium stations having 30-35% commercial time. Even when TiVo came out you had to buy it and pay a sub, and when cable started offering DVR you paid for a more expensive box rental on top of paying monthly for the ability to DVR, double-dipping fuckers.

I really don't understand complaints about streaming. Compared to what it's replacing it's an amazing upgrade in price, quality, and convenience. When do you ever get that? How hard is it to figure out what service something is on? Most boxes have a universial search and if your using a mobile device Google is right there. Yeah prices get higher on occasion, but inflation is a thing and now that content producers see the profit in streaming they're putting money into new content, which makes me think of another thing: content produced for streaming is vastly superior, even on streaming services from the old major networks. Stuff that wouldn't have gotten by the advertisers, let alone the censors for commercial broadcast, and no editing for time. A particular episode needs an extra couple/several minutes to be told correctly, no big deal.

As someone who loves the silver screen, and the small screen, for art and entertainment that can't be called art with a straight face, I love streaming. I can't understand how anyone who paid for cable/satellite in the past couldn't.

Sorry for the ramble, can't be bothered to edit for clarity or readability.

I think one thing to keep in mind, is that a lot of the streaming service news is more American focused. A lot of Americans are struggling to afford things as it is. Obviously there is animosity and frustration about it all especially as streaming services lose value and raise prices at the same time.

Those arguments are exactly what I'm disputing. The prices are lower and value proposition is higher.

It seems like prices are going up because services are coming out a bit at a time and each of them are taking a little while to mature. Cheap initial offerings followed by price increases when they get their shit together.

Imagine if you could go back 15-20 years and flip a switch and have all the streaming services as they exist today all at once. You could tell those same struggling Americans "I can reduce your tv bill 40-60%, increase available content, and you can access that content anytime and anywhere you want commercial free, also unlike cable/satellite you can pick and choose or rotate services to save even more and if your cool with some (still less than cable) ads you can save even more."

Streaming is a massive value increase over cable/satellite, and a major price cut with options to tailor the price and content to work best for you.

Comcast - $93/mo.

Netflix - $20/mo

Disney+ Trio Premium - $25/mo

Paramount Plus - $12/mo

HBO Max - $20/mo

Starz - $10/mo

Amazon Prime - $15/mo.

I haven't even listed all of the streaming services out there yet and we're already over the price of cable in a month. So yeah, it's not a price cut at this point anymore. It's a price increase.

Apples and oranges. The person that has all the streaming services, like me, would want all the premium channels. HBO, Cinemax, showtime, the movie channel are all 10 each. So now you're at $133 and that is before all the add-on charges, taxes, and any other packages.

I don't know what the pricing is now, but I moved around a bit in college and after and in the late 90s and early aughts I had service from the each of big 3 and DirecTV at one point or another and paid 90-120 not inflation adjusted and that is just TV, this is pre-broadband.

You're also not taking into account streaming discounts.

With tmobile the highest tier of Netflix is $7.

Annually and with a $25 statement credit from Amex HBO is $125/year, $10.42/month. (Legacy ad free so 4k)

Amazon I don't count, I have prime for shipping, TV is a bonus, even if you don't buy that putting the entire amount to video streaming is pretty disingenuous with everything else you get. Maybe call it $5/month.

My Disney trio gets me a $7/month AMEX statement credit so $18.

Paramount+with showtime is $120/year so $10/month. I also get a statement credit from AMEX for that but I can't be bothered to look it up.

Starz is $70/year so $5.83/month. And it's another one with an Amex statement credit I can't be bothered to look up.

Additionally, all my streaming services get a 6% cash back from Amex on top of the statement credits.

So the ones you listed (I have more, I just did the ones you mentioned, Apple TV+ is free with tmobile for example) would be $65.52-the statement credits I can't be bothered to look up.(6% off doesn't apply to Netflix because it's paid through T-Mobile)

So about 50% cheaper with all the benefits of streaming over appointment commercial TV. (Although, to be faaaaaiir, once you add in my others, peacock, britbox, crunchyroll, Viki, maybe something I'm forgetting, it's back to the ~1/3 I mentioned before.)(But to be fair the other way, a lot of that stuff isn't available on cable/satellite at any price period.)