Can't even buy chicken in peace

AnActOfCreation@programming.dev to Mildly Infuriating@lemmy.world – 1112 points –

You wouldn't download a chicken tender.

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It's probably not advertising that they are afraid that you will block but the trackers. They want to know what user is clicking where, how long you are on each page and what you ordered / not ordered.

“Optimal performance”

Never said who benefits from said performance

Probably like 70/30 KFC/user?

Yes they want AS MUCH of your money as fast as possible… but we do want to give them money as fast as possible too.

Disconnect obviously comes at the amount and the margin. They want you to max your credit card on their soda, we want the most satisfying assorted selection with an auto-applied 100% off coupon.

There’s somewhere in the middle there. They can telemetrize their site into it taking just a few taps for you to buy their higher margin combo meals. Their deals, they can hide as best they can without them being impossible to find for those inclined (price-sensitive buyers who open the app with discounts on their mind).

After add-to-cart, it’s in their interests to optimize checkout as best they can… well, with a side of last-minute upsells of course.

Here’s a question: would opt-out first party telemetry be a decent status quo? If you’re not privacy conscious (certainly not enough to pay cash in person), you don’t go to settings to reject trackers… but you still get to benefit from the average user being spied on just a little by internal teams & consultants to improve site/app flows. Don’t think I’m 100% anti-tracker in any case. (I’m definitely medium privacy-conscious as well as price-conscious, so I look for those opt-outs and coupons :) )

Yeah, this warning is pretty clear about that ironically. You aren't allowed to have secrets, only they are. It's pretty on the nose, but I guess it could be misunderstood. That's probably how it got there. The person told to create this wanted to give a warning, but they couldn't straight up say it.

Are they making money selling food or selling ad spots? Stupid businesses don't deserve to stay in business.

They are tracking you so they can sell you more chicken. Remarketing.

So they can sell your browsing habits to other advertising firms and, ultimately, other manufacturers or service providers… so they can badger you with more targeted ads…

I love how you could literally be trying to give a company money and they still want more...

And act like they’re doing youthe favor, to allow you to politely hand them your hard-earned peasant pennies.

They don't want some of the money. They want all of the money.

Remember kids, adblock stops more than just the ads you see.

Also, fuck yeah I'd download a chicken tender.

ublock origin, adguard and brave's adblocking are way better than the "adblock" extension.

Brave? Please educate yourself and stop using that piece of garbage.

What's wrong with brave?

https://www.spacebar.news/stop-using-brave-browser/

Edit: If you can’t switch to Firefox and you’re looking for a good alternative that’s privacy-focused and functionally similar, take a look at Vivaldi. Solid chrome-based browser.

I wouldn't call Vivaldi 'a good alternative'.
brave at least has cared about maintaining their source code on github. Vivaldi, on the other hand, just [vomits tar.xz on their website]https://vivaldi.com/source/) and that's it. they also have made ui closed source.
they don't have an opt-out for their data collection.

I personally use nothing expect librewolf(hardened Firefox fork). but brave is a sane choice for those who are spoiled by chrome.
the only praise I hear about Vivaldi is their tabs(?).

Most of the article talks about the CEO and the company, the only criticisms of the actual product (the browser) is that it's bloated, which is very subjective because one mans bloat is another mans feature and the affiliate link injection scandal from 4 years ago, which definitely shouldn't have been done but at least it wasn't malicious and now is gone.

To be honest I think people on here dislike brave primarily due to ideological reasons, completely ignoring the fact that 99.9% of people aren't hackermans™ and don't want to install gnu icecat or librewolf with 7 different extensions. For those people it's either chrome/edge or brave, the latter, even if not perfect is a way better option both for them and the internet.

Ahem. I was referring to "Adblock" as a class of software, not referring to one specific program (the same way that websites refer to blocking ads as "Adblock").

You have made an incorrect assumption.

It's unfortunate that Adblock has become the Zerox/Google/Velcro of un-shittyfying software.

why the fuck they need to show you an ad. you're already there buying chicken

Why make money if you can make MORE money?

They probably aren't showing you ads. They are probably inserting trackers to tag you as a person, a purchaser, who likes chicken and is willing to pay for food, for delivery etc. the size of your order may hint at demographics, like family, kids. The address.gives useful data, the type of credit card. What kind of software and hardware loaded the site? Etc etc.

If there's no secrets then there shouldn't be any problem with ad blocking

I interpret this as a pretty clear "you aren't allowed to have secrets" message. The only secrets allowed are theirs, not yours. They're going to track everything you do.

experience optimal performance

Phone immediately bricks due to the sheer volume of malware and ads piling into the browser.

That's optimal performance for “put your phone down and go to the restaurant yourself”, which makes more money for KFC.

Honestly, does anyone ever read any pop up ad? I immediately have the emotion of hate that there is some annoying window blocking what I am trying to to read. They are lucky I just tune out what the hated window is telling me.

We should elect government people who would regulate the ads on everything. Ads can't pop up. Ads can't auto play. Ad can't be bigger than this.

We are getting to the sucky part of capitalism. Ads on everything.

I always said if I was ever given supreme executive authority, I would outlaw ads and then immediately step down. It would be my one move, and the world would be better for it.

I like how you didn't limit it to online ads, so you're talking about outlawing billboards etc. as well.

You are allowed to put a sign on the business' actual physical location - and that's it.

But, then, how will I know about that product that I don't need and will never buy, that is literally on every shelf in every store? (/s, in case that wasn't obvious)

We'll transmit that information to you via Neuralink™.

We draw stock internationally via FedEx, with usually at least one shipment arriving per day.

If I have a particularly urgent order for my customer, I will of course be tracking the incoming shipment.

Every. Damn. Time. I visit their website, I get halted in my usual manic pace by their stupid, slow to load pop up. I haven't even been able to figure out how to block it, and usually don't have time when I'm working to figure these things out.

Our company gives you so much money, FedEx - why do you have to be so difficult to work with as thanks?!

Do you really want a bunch of people who don't know how the internet and general tech works, along with massive corporate interest, regulating ads?

Edit: I'm from the US where our law markers are generally old and/or incompetent.

Vote in younger people and vote in educated people. And yes government CAN work for us and do good things. You have to vote for people who would do that.

Did anyone see that Biden's bill gave more funds to the IRS. They hired more people to help us, and go after the rich tax cheats, and are making a free government online filing system. Also the TurboTax company are complaining about it...and the rich, and Republicans.

I also would like government healthcare.

That doesn't work in the US, we've tried. I work in IT and the amount of people that have zero clue about tech amazes me. It's like 75-80% of the population has zero fucking clue about anything behind how the Internet works. For example, when Montana lawmakers said "We're passing a law to ban TikTok." but didn't expand beyond that.

EU has so far proven to know how the internet work and has been able to properly regulate it, so for my part yes. I would be delighted to see EU regulation on ads. But I don't know anything about your government, maybe the really don't know anything about tech but the EU government surely does.

Right now better than half or government doesn’t know how to govern. They are too busy fighting among themselves and imploding thanks to MAGA.

I'm from the US, so our law markers are generally boomers that don't know shit or people in my generation that still don't know shit. Just watch the various public hearings of them questioning Mark Zuckerberg or Sundar Pinchai and shake your head with me.

Their "joke" to shoehorn in a statement about their 11 herbs and spices doesn't even make sense. Like, it's implying you are using an ad blocker to gain secrets? What?

The overworked tech dude who had to build this page just didn't give a single shit I guess.

The overworked tech dude didn’t have a single say on what went on there. That was the out of touch marketing team and project manager.

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It's reverse upside-down inside-out psychology

Does that make it right-side-up, ordinary psychology?

I'm not sure, I can't even quite picture what I said because double-negatives and mirror images confuse me.

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Ah, achieving optimal performance by letting them run more scripts and displaying more stuff.

They never said what performance they are optimizing, I'm pretty sure it's profit.

While this is egregious, why are you buying chicken on KFC dot com?

I didn't know that was even possible. This is a wholly unexpected mode of behavior.

Well its not going to be on BK dot com.

You know they used to say you could have it your way. If I want KFC from BK they should live up to their end of the bargain and oblige.

why are you buying chicken on KFC dot com?

Delivery, most likely.

For KFC chicken? In America?

Yeah, most fast food places here have delivery options now, usually partnered through UberEats or GrubHub or one of those apps. At least in the cities, they do.

Otherwise, they also will typically let you order online so you can schedule it to be ready when you get there to pick it up, yourself.

even here in the boonies we have doordash now.. just as expensive as in the city, and just as cold whenif you get it.

and i think you can still pay a one-way taxi fare and have them pick up an order and deliver. it has to be ready, waiting and already paid for--they won't wait. this is the cheaper option, because you're paying menu prices. not third-party 'app' prices plus bullshit fees and surcharges. fare is about 5 bucks anywhere in town.

My point is KfC chicken really isn’t the best choice these days

I agree, I'm not a big fan of most of their menu these days. Though, their Famous Bowls always hit hard.

Yeah just get it from the gas station like a normal person

I went to a Krispy Krunchy Chicken at a gas station while travelling a few months ago... Gas station chicken has no business being that good.

Omg especially when they let it sit and it’s extra spicy!

A gas station several miles away makes amazing tasting food. I’m sure the fried chicken is fried in the cheapest transfat oil, but I’ve largely moved away from meat. I still eat it but I feel better when I restrict it. They also have baked chicken, meatloaf, etc and the veggies are slamming. And it’s not always cheaper anymore, to do it yourself, unless you catch a free ride that day and exchange your time.

Delivery

Wouldn't want to have to move your body to get your artery clogging food

Some of us live in rural areas with No transport, including public.

If you live in rural areas you probably have better chicken than crap from KFC, no?

Then how do you go places?

Bike, walk, pay too much in time, money, effort, etc, or make friends and catch your rides when you can, understanding it may come at a mutual inconvenience.

Walking or asking a friend if they have time, usually at a cost of some gas.

An irritating number of companies make it inconvenient to just view a menu, and want you to "Start your order!" to see prices and availability. I get that certain items are regional so entering a zip code makes sense, but if I just want to look at a menu and prices to see if I even want to do business with them I shouldn't have to create an account.

That said, for convenience purposes I'll occasionally order food online or over the phone so it's ready by the time I'm driving past on my way home and pick it up.

I often feel I'm stuck in the 90's when it comes to ordering food. I like calling a restaurant, I like driving to pick it up myself, I like asking them shit about the menu over the phone.

I'm a human being, yo talk to me, don't just tell me to go to the app or the website.

And before anyone beats me to it, yeah I'm angry at that cloud.

looks like we need ad blocker detection blockers now.

Sorry, best I can do is never visit your shitty website again. Guess I'll order fried chicken from somewhere else, or, better yet, make a superior version at home!

I just close these types of sites and do something different out of spite.

Out of more love for myself, than greedy megacorporations.

Make sure to update your Ad Blocker settings to include the whole site.

Secret? My god, the sense of entitlement of capital.

Just to be clear, is the implication here that people should use ad blockers in secret and that the "right" thing to do is to consume whatever media (and expose open tabs, history, etc) corporate wants you to see?

They're kinda telling on themselves, 'no secrets' what does watching an add have to do with secrets, unless they want you to have no secrets from them, and give you all a your data. Then that sentence makes sense. That sentence has some real twist / projection / gaslighty vibes. Why do corporations feel like my abusive ex.

Because they are. They need you financially but they hate your guts too.

Went to some kind of restaurant chain once (red robin I think?) and there were ads as we were eating.

Yeah they put ads on that little screen you use to pay. Also it never has any receipt paper loaded.

What ads are even on a Pepsico website? Why would Pepsi need 3rd party advertising on their own website?

Probably telemetry, which most ad blockers also block. I think you meant kfc instead of pepsi

KFC is under the PepsiCo monopoly

Yum (KFC, Taco Bell, Pizza Hut) split from Pepsi a couple decades ago back in 1997.

no it isn't, it's owned by yum brands, a Chinese restaurant conglomerate. not better, but not pepsico either.

Yum! Brands, Inc. (sometimes called simply Yum!), formerly Tricon Global Restaurants, Inc., is an American multinational fast food corporation listed on the Fortune 1000. Yum! operates the brands KFC, Pizza Hut, Taco Bell, and The Habit Burger Grill, except in China, where the brands are operated by a separate company, Yum China. Yum! previously also owned Long John Silver's and A&W Restaurants. The company was created as a spin-off of PepsiCo in 1997.

I went and looked up the Wikipedia page out of curiosity when someone disagreed that they're a Chinese conglomerate and thought I'd share for anyone else reading the thread.

Short answer: not a Chinese conglomerate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yum%21_Brands?wprov=sfla1

well shit, i didn't look that close. i just knew it wasn't PepsiCo.

Glad I could provide additional context :)

Hope you have a good one!

A Chinese conglomerate publicly traded on the NYSE who reports in USD and files with the SEC? A Chinese conglomerate with their headquarters in Kentucky whose majority investors are institutional? A Chinese conglomerate with most shares owned by people or companies in America and whose executives are all American?

They could be owned by sewer rats. But that wouldn't matter 'cause I don't eat the mother fucker anyway.

You order online for delivery to avoid COVID only to catch a computer virus from an ad. I used to watch my relatives browse to a news page and IMMEDIATELY get hit with a "MICROSOFT ERROR CALL xxx-xxx-xxxx TO FIX IT". Then I put ublock origin on their PC aaaaaaand good game ads!

I don't eat there anyways, but I wish I could even more not eat there now.

Maybe you should cook some food and deliver it to your local KFC - would that count?

They didn't understand what an adblocker is for? Their privacy vs. your privacy.

That 11 herbs and spices is probably not a secret anymore.

No longer a secret: The recipe found by Joe Ledington reads as follows:

11 Spices – Mix with 2 cups white flour

2⁄3 t salt
1⁄2 t thyme
1⁄2 t basil
1⁄3 t oregano
1 t celery salt
1 t black pepper
1 t dry mustard
4 t paprika
2 t garlic salt
1 t ground ginger
3 t white pepper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFC_Original_Recipe#Recipes or https://www.allrecipes.com/article/what-are-kfcs-11-herbs-and-spices/

Please eat less fried foods, for your own health.

Amazing, had no idea this was ever revealed!

Feels like nobody cared because current KFC is so average to bad quality. No point stealing that recipe outside for laughs/nostalgia.

Honestly I doubt they use anywhere near that many spices anymore.

The ad blocker fight is getting really strange. I don't use a blocker, but this morning I couldn't read an article on google news without disabling my ad blocker which I don't have.

Maybe your browser is blocking tracking or other cookies that adblockers also target.

The most common one I've seen on Google News uses DNS checking, too. If it can't resolve an ad domain, it assumes you're using an ad blocker.

Very important has to be the thing that I'm doing so that I have to open a browser without ad-block. For most things the close tab button brings me more peace of mind.

They block TOR too. I have never had KFC, I was just curious how bad one of those sites was.

Don't bother trying it. It's gotten really bad over the years. The chickens have gotten smaller, and now they cut the normal 9 pieces of chicken in half in order to get more out of a chicken and provide extra mechanically separated meat for all the new sandwiches. There are much better fried chicken places around.

aparently even Sanders himself complained about the drop in quality since he sold it back in the 60s

The man was very rigid with how he felt his wife’s chicken should be prepared.

His whole story is interesting. He did not start his chicken endeavors until his late 50’s after an already quite colorful life.

There is a documentary on youtube somewhere and it’s worth seeing.

It's not even like the kind of phenomenally bad that you have to try, it's just the most completely mediocre fried chicken you can imagine. Last couple times I tried it (in laws always order it when we visit for some reason), it's been soggy with grease, not even crispy, and all the oil stops you from really tasting anything. You might as well just slop some bread crumbs into some vegetable oil if you really want the KFC experience.

More importantly, why are you eating KFC (unless you’re outside of the US where it’s actually edible)?

KFC in the UK is responsible for the only time I got chips (fries) while drunk on a night out that were so bad that I binned them

I've been in a kfc in Germany and was blown away how people actually eat that shit. But at the same time, people also enjoy McDonald's and burger king, so maybe it's just me

I've had the pleasure (?) To eat KFC in the US and in Europe. Besides the fact that it was junk food either way, the European version was just so much better.

I can believe that in its distant origins, KFC was actually tasty, but right now I'd sooner enjoy being punched in the stomach than eating there (a similar statement is true by replacing KFC with McDonald's or Burger King or several other fast food chains, though for only these three I've tried both US and EU versions of these products)

KFC in Australia is pretty good. It's no Popeyes, but it's not bad.

I live in the USA now and while most KFCs I've been to here are pretty bad, there's one KFC near me that's strangely pretty decent. Chicken is always hot and fresh and they never make any mistakes with the order. I just wish they'd bring back the potato wedges since the fries are horrible.

The chicken sandwich at KFC is pretty decent too.

To add on to the list of countries, Singapore KFC is the only fast food franchise where you can occasionally find overcooked blackish terrible tasting chicken. Macs, Popeyes, Arnolds, BK, Jollibee, etc - not even once (yet).

In my opinion even the Seattle KFC is better.

You heard KFC no secrets allowed from them and from you. Open the cookie wall you must be tracked.

Nice, they're worried about losing ad money and analytics over losing more money by selling what their whole business is about.

Man, what is it with KFC and their "security" staff, I think I've read it even has issues when it detects root or something, no one wants to steal your chicken bruh!

What you really want is an air fryer! Dude it's actually such a good kitchen tool for cooking. It's slower than microwaving but you get more crisp fries or other food and less burnt fries or other food than with any other method.

Well, I'm sure you can buy delicious fried chicken elsewhere at a local joint (those people won't block your ads)!

adguard for desktop, adguard DNS inside your VPN on your phone.

Load adguard for desktop with anti-adblock killer and fuckfuckadblock. And use brave browser with fingerprint and ad blocking set to aggressive and strict.

I very rarely get any bullshit notifications like this.

What? Why is this this a think.

Anyway use ublock origin with updated block lists and this likely won't happen.