The longer you use linux excluslively, you don't think about windows or mac. You think about fedora or suse, kde or gnome, yay or apt, distrobox or toolbox.
IKR the longer I use Linux the more I think about TempleOS
Lmao
They don’t give us free games with the OS anymore but TempleOS has HOLY games
That is...true, actually. The longer I use Linux, the more I'm like "....but what if, man, what if I ditch Arch for Fedora or NixOS or give Pop_OS! another chance (and i very well might when Cosmic launches)?" And sometimes I do...and then always come crawling back.
Going back to Windows full time ain't even crossed my mind for a hot minute. Partly because i have a spare driver running it for emergencies (that i barely use anyways, only because Windows literally runs one important app that I need, that I can't run on Linux), and partly because going back means being stuck with Windows 11 again, and I really dislike Windows 11's design choices, personally (and Microsoft in general, but i digress).
going back means being stuck with Windows 11 again
Windows 10 can 100% still be installed. I say that from a Win10 install.
Oh I know it can be installed, but after the headache I got re-installing 10 once before and then trying to get 11 running on...anything, really, i just decided "you know what? What will be will be at this point. I'm not gonna need it for much anyways." when i finally got 11 to accept and install into a random external drive that i never really used (it didn't like the one i had inside my PC reserved specifically for it. Somehow...).
(Note: this was a while back, so installation could be a helluva lot better now and i have upgraded a bit since then but, shrug. Already got Windows ready to go on a drive, and only have it because I might need it moreso than me actually wanting to have it, so meh)
I can't anymore.
Leads to system crashing randomly.
11 works unfortunately.
paru
At a certain point I just feel like Linux isn't designed to let me talk to God. All that bloat like networking and hardware drivers get in the way. I need to get away from the CIA mind control and return to something pure and simple. And when I feel that way, Based Terry is always there for me.
Nothing TBH. I find Windows too stressful, Macs are too boring, and I can't use TempleOS because I don't have schizophrenia.
Damnit. You managed to give me a laughing coughing fit
The fucking GTK file chooser. It's like all application developers have made a pact with each other to never use a consistent UX, with the exception of having to press ctrl-L to edit the path textbox. It's painful. And as much as I like XDP, support for it is spotty at best, and sometimes downright broken.
I mean, who the FUCK puts the filesystem root in a submenu? Or sorts files and directories together? I just want to talk and explain why they're beyond salvation.
I searched around for a bit, and apparently one could preload a library to replace the file dialog functions with an own, custom one, and I'd root for rofi (with a dmenu theme, kinda).
GTK my behated 🥲
I feel like this post is guerilla marketing for "TempleOS", which I've never heard of before and will absolutely not be looking up after this.
It's not. TempleOS is a famous from scratch OS created by a guy with serious mental illness. It's a sad story, but the capability of that guy was incredible. He's gone now :(
TempleOS (wikipedia) is a meme os. It's supposed to be god's os and was singlehandedly coded by the late Terry Davis. So this post isn't really marketing, and the reference is just supposed to be humorous.
For real though definitely do not access this site right bellow here and install this OS
I love this reaction and how dramatically out of sync it is with what TempleOS actually is. I know it is innocent and accidental so this is in no way a shot at the poster. It is just a hilariously wrong take.
I have looked it up and to include it in that list is just downright ludicrous. Let me give you some quotes from the wiki
“The system was characterized as a modern x86-64 Commodore 64, using an interface similar to a mixture of DOS and Turbo C.”
“TempleOS (formerly J Operating System, LoseThos, and SparrowOS) is a biblical-themed lightweight operating system (OS) designed to be the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible. It was created by American programmer Terry A. Davis, who developed it alone over the course of a decade after a series of manic episodes that he later described as a revelation from God.”
“The system was characterized as a modern x86-64 Commodore 64, using an interface similar to a mixture of DOS and Turbo C. Davis proclaimed that the system's features, such as its 640x480 resolution, 16-color display, and single-voice audio, were designed according to explicit instructions from God.”
What the actual fuck?!?
Yep. Dude was definitely nutso, but he was an incredible programmer. Shame really.
Yeah, MacOS wasn't originally intended for x86 CPUs.
It is surprisingly hard to run Android apps on Linux, despite Android itself being Linux based.
Being able to run Android apps quickly and natively would be a game changer for Linux, resolving long standing issues of app availability. Hell you could even then use Android version of Microsoft Office etc.
This should be a higher priority for all distros.
Until then, there are apps that are simply unavailable on Linux, even with Wine support, that necessitate using Windows or macOS.
Is Anbox no longer a thing? It runs Android apps in a container.
Or is it more the issue with the apps not running "natively"?
Waydroid nowadays. Works waaay better
Anbox is dead
Have tried to use Anbox, seriously painful to install and get working properly (Debian), and then equally annoying to install apps, and they're still not really first class citizens like other Linux apps.
The experience should be as easy as what Wine have achieved.
It is. Anbox is outdated and x11 based. Waydroid is great
Looking into Waydroid thanks 👍
That rings a bell.. could one use BlissOS or Android-x86 in a vm? I can't remember. It's another thing I've been meaning to look into.
Waydroid worked fine when I tried it.
Nah, I'm 100% done with Windows. Even if good ol' Bill comes up with something that forces me to use Windows for whatever reason, Linux will always be in my routine thanks to single board computers.
a gun to the head
That's the reason I use TempleOS.
Why the hell would anyone run TempleOS?
Find vulnerabilities that could grant access to heaven
Ah, but with no Internet access or support for external devices, it's completely secure!
Not from E-Vil
I'm plenty free from evil after reading my daily devotions gifted to me by the god OS
But they also found a vulnerability recently on the Gameboy DMG.
You don't choose to run it, God appears to you in a vision and commands it and then you have no choice.
Because it is quite possibly the last of its kind - a desktop OS that was built from scratch by one person with one (strange) vision. Everything else has a lineage to AT&T Unix or CP/M.
There are a surprising number of one person OS projects, many of them more useable than TempleOS.
What makes TempleOS unique is the fame of its creator, sadly largely as the result of his mental illness. His story also explains how it was able to become so famous while also not attracting contributors.
Other OS projects either stay obscure or, if they become widely known, they attract contributors. SerenityOS is an example of what was a single man effort but is now a reasonably large and thriving community. It has become self-sustaining enough that the founder largely focussed on the web browser these days with the OS connoting to move forward largely via the work of others ( including ports to other architectures ).
I think part of what you are saying though is that most other projects aim for POSIX compliance and that is true. There are some that don’t but, as above, that tends to keep them obscure.
What about Redox?
Because God told them to.
...to hear the words of god? Kind of a silly question
I'm approaching the point where I'm seriously considering buying a spare drive for a Windows install exclusively for VR. I'm currently dealing with 3 separate serious issues with SteamVR on Linux, one of which I sometimes can't even work around depending on how it's feeling that day. Not to mention, every new release lately seems to introduce a new problem.
I haven't had a Windows install on my system since my previous SSD died 2 or 3 years ago, but it's getting to the point where it's more trouble than it's worth.
This is why I have a windows box. I'm hoping when they finally release SteamOS 3 for PC it will have stable SteamVR support.
What headset do you have? The Index is fully supported in Linux.
No bluetooth support for base stations power management
Does not work on Wayland, at all (Nobara, KDE)
Lacks the ability for you to continue using your headset if for some reason it disconnects and reconnects (base stations will not be detected, neither will any bluetooth adapters like the SW7)
A plethora of bugs
It feels like my headset view is on a delay? Maybe due to no async reprojection
I'm quoting this guy because I think that VR straight up doesn't work on NixOS, and I haven't gotten to testing my Index on any other os yet.
To Valve's credit, since that post they did implement base station power management and some DEs now implement Wayland's DRM leasing protocol, and there's a somewhat buggy async reproduction implementation in place (although it's broken in SteamVR 2.0 onwards).
It most certainly is not. Besides the missing features mentioned by the other commenter, SteamVR 2.1 literally shipped last week with a bug that caused it to completely stop functioning on Linux. I think the hotfix version still isn't in the release channel. There's another bug still present in 2.1.7 that prevents VR games from starting. SteamVR Home doesn't work at all anymore.
2.0 had an issue where vrdashboard was using the wrong pixel format which caused the red and blue channels to be swapped (pretty sure that made it into the release channel), and there was a regression introduced in the last year (and is still yet to be fixed) that causes vrdashboard to be rendered to the controller instead of the battery indicator. Granted, these are more minor issues, but it shows the level of QA that goes into the Linux version (next to none).
That's excellent to hear. The Index is the only vr headset I have ever been considering getting.
The parent comment is not correct. The Index paired with SteamVR on Linux has a plethora of issues and sometimes doesn't work at all. It's usually possible to get it working through some combination of switching SteamVR versions and rebooting, but it's never a guarantee and usually takes a good chunk of time to get sorted when it's being temperamental.
The ease of buying a quality laptop without having to worry about if it will run well with my OS.
I've been using MacOS for about 8 years at work and I never really taken to it. It's fine and I can do my work but I won't use it if I hadn't to (unless the only alternative was Windows).
But one thing I really like about Macs is that you can buy one and you won't have any headaches with battery life, software compatibility etc. You get decent hardware (let's ignore the whole 8GB on an M3 = 16GB on other machine debacle) and know that it will work decently well with 3rd party software/hardware and if something breaks you can just bring into an Apple store.
While there are dedicated Linux sellers (System76, Tuxedo Computeres, Starlabs), I'm hesitant to spend 2k on a computer just to find out that the build quality is subpar, the battery life sucks or that customer support will just ignore my requests (read some bad experiences on the Starlabs subreddit).
Libreoffice calc does not have the functionality Excel does.
Time for a bug report 😹
Also, have you tried gnumeric?
Gnumeric is nice and lightweight, but unlikely to satisfy people who are looking for a lot of features.
Low performance of very specific games made by small studios on middle-aged low-budget hardware makes me consider dual-booting, but then I remember that I hate closed-source, software-as-a-service, tracking-financed operating systems.
Lack of good VR support.
That's been the primary reason why I've kept a Windows dual boot, though when I tried Steam VR on Linux a month ago it mostly worked well. Still some features that are unavailable, and a couple of bugs, but usable.
Nothing.
Used to be the occasional game. Then the great Gabe was like "fuck Windows" and polished up Wine to make Proton. So...
Nothing.
fuck windows i'm never going back to that shit
Windows
It never was free.
MacOS
It's not free any more.
TempleOS
I'm not religious.
So, I guess I get to stay on Linux for longer. Well, damn!
I never "switched". I just started using the right tool for the job. I use Linux for productivity stuff. Windows for gaming and audio/music production, mostly. I don't own a Mac anymore but if I did, it'd probably be their laptops, and I'd probably take over some of the development and creative work while on the go. I'm admittedly not very "religious" when it comes to the software I use. Whatever works best for me. I'm not married to anything. Makes it easier to switch things out down the line.
templeos
very daily drivable!!
Nothing. GNU/Linux is fantastic. But only that but the principles of Free Software are literally the most important thing to happen in computing. Respecting user freedom is THE most important thing an OS can do.
Only Linux offers that. In using this forever.
Only Linux offers that.
There's FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc. Which are not Linux-based.
Yes but they don't operate on those principles. They lean to just open source, not necessarily Free Software which are 2 different things.
Plus they are best unusable by the average person as they have no desktop environment.
I did a wireshark on bloatware windows in idle and it's nope.
I really miss interpreting the vague random words from God. Funnily enough, God via TempleOS was what told me to transition to Linux in the first place!
Amen sibling.
Nothing, but my biggest gripe is with the fucking file explorers. All of them are super inferior compared to win10 sadly
Super inferior? Windows 10 is far worse, at least windows 11 added tabs, but still is far worse than krusader or dolphin for me.
What do you like about windows version?
What are your favorite features of the Windows 10 file manager? Listing what you miss from other operating systems can help the Linux ecosystem to improve.
For me on Gnome Files (Nautilus) its little things:
List view of files which they had but REMOVED
Using Alt up/down instead of backspace.
Must admit unlearning this helped me use it on Win11 the same way
Recent places (folders not files) which was removed also iirc
Nautilus also has the default bookmarks for Videos, Documents, etc hard coded and the only way to change their location/remove them is by editing config files.
Very old comment, but my 2 cents: sorting by extension instead of MIME type. I don't want my jpegs, gifs and pngs mixed up when I tell PCMan, Thunar or Dolphin to sort by type. It annoys me to no end that something Windows has had since at least 95, most distros' default file explorers don't.
Oh, I found Dolphin to be a superior experience to File Explorer in Win 10. I had a particular hatred for how it would, when copying files inside a OneDrive folder and trying to instantly rename them, decide to mark the entire name field after about one second (when sync of new file is complete), causing me to erase everything I wrote in that second and having to start naming it again. In my last job, this occurred on a very frequent basis.
Man I wish my feedback would help but nobody is going to take the time to change something just because a random person complains about it on Lemmy, and neither am I gonna start a fork just for the sake of having my feature there.
Anywho, my biggest problem is with the "detailed view" mode and how it's done in ALL file explorers on Linux.
I was more interested in what Windows gets right.
What exactly is better on win10?
For one, the detailed view mode. I have tried it in Dolphin and Mint's FE, don't remember if Nautilus has one, but they all try to appear like this oversimplified look. There is so much padding and dead space I want it to be compact and to the point.
Second, the side bar is just, sad.
Overall I don't like the design I guess? They all feel very... apple like? Trying to be simple but in the process becoming wayyy too simple.
yesterday i pressed tab to autocomplete in file explorer. didnt work. then i tried to split the view so i had a way to move files without cluttering my desktop. somehow didnt work on windows. dolphin(after getting used to it coming from windows) is loads better
You're right, but also, in my experience by the time i'm wanting those more advanced features i'd prefer to do it in the command line anyway, and so the Right Click |> Open in Terminal solves all my issues.
When my Gnome desktop works perfectly, then it gets updated and my tiling extension doesn’t work with the new version of Gnome.
Still, I ain’t going back to windows 😇
Personally Linux has everything I want. Kind of per definition. If it's not available for Linux I don't care about it. I would use Windows if I had to use it for work.
So then your answer is irrelevant to the question.
Nothing really. You pay with your time by going to Linux but the effort is getting lower both because of me getting better but mostly the experience won't compare with 20 yeara ago.since the non FOSS alternatives are getting more telemtry/call home functions rhe choice is an easy one.
I already have a 60+ hour per week job. I don't need a second one, endlessly diagnosing why the simplest of tasks are constantly breaking.
Huh, funny. I say the same about windows. Typical tasks performed at work on windows machines take hours that take me minutes. Constant random failures, etc etc.
My Linux machine at work is rock solid
Have to agree. I've been using linux for ~20 years. Tried using it multiple times as a desktop main system. Sometimes it took a few days, sometimes a few months but I always ended up back at windows (now macos). It's always something random. Something that should work, but is not. Something I could (given time) fix if I wanted to. The problem is that these tend to happen at times I want to actually use my computer and not tinker around. I have linux running on multiple servers perfectly fine, but on desktop it's a hard pass for me.
What makes you not want to use Linux anymore
Your question is malformed because even the odd troubles of Linux these days are absolutely nothing compared to the hoops I used to go through to try to get a Kernel built for my hardware 25 years ago. The occasional non-working speaker or other config issue is tiny. It doesn't even register as a problem.
Compare that to the shit show that is Windows? Fuck that OS. I try not to be very vocal when I meet people about it, but Windows just won't be a choice for me. I've turned down jobs because it would move me to a Windows house for tools. It's not worth living in that kind of hellhole UI design and wrestling with whatever enshittification MSFT has driven down your crop with the latest updates. I have a life to live and wrestling with my OS isn't what I'm going to spend it doing.
I don't know much about the current MacOS environment these days. I stopped in the OSX 10.4 days. I just don't have the hardware to consider it, so no real opinion.
So... your question is malformed because it's not even worth considering and I've got a quarter century of experience to back that one up.
Nothing. Not even Wayland and Systemd will force me off of Linux.
Right? Even the "ick" parts of linux i'd take over osx or windows
That's the neat part: you don't have to take the icky parts. Just use artix instead of arch to not use systemd
Hardware. I do all my work on a laptop and those Apple M series processors have been amazing for performance and battery life. I’ll stick with a Mac until those Qualcomm X Elite CPUs start getting shipped in Windows laptops next year. After using this Mac for the past year, I think I prefer Windows and WSL over MacOS or Linux. This whole post only applies to laptops though; Linux on desktop and servers for life.
Having to fiddle with some games, I need my DLSS. I'mnin this for live tho.
I always install Linux, 1-2 times per year but in the end I always go back to Windows. I have apps which are Windows only but whenever I want to change display scaling to 125% on Linux, is when I slowly start losing interest in it.
Wayland fractional scaling coming to a DE near you*
*Soon TM
I swear they are using the same *Soon TM as Valve is using with Half-Life 3
The Wayland development team has been described as shell shocked X.org devs who are afraid of committing to a feature because then they'd have to support it.
CAD
Im not moving back, its more like moving back and forth
The only thing that drives me nuts on a regular basis is the lack of fully functional Microsoft apps. Specifically Teams and Outlook. Unfortunately I work with Microsoft shops constantly and need those two apps. Outlook PWA has issues and freezes constantly. Teams PWA just doesn't do notifications.
That's it.
But Windows blows and Macs are just too damned expensive.
I use teams for Linux, and it has notifications. I used teams Pwa on Firefox before and that also had notifications.
I'll try Teams for Linux. Teams for Firefox does give notifications, but doesn't support background pictures or screen sharing. Well, last I checked.
In the same boat. The web versions have compatibility issues with the desktop versions when it comes to formatting. I've resorted to running Windows unlicensed in a VM.
Using Widows on my private rig now to play Fortnite with my son after ~15 years on Linux only.
Also getting a MacBook Pro at work now, since I have to use Zoom and stuff like that everyday. Having no hardware acceleration on Linux is a no-go.
This is not Linux' fault though.
Also I'm old enough to just use the right tool for a job.
Bluetooth on Linux fucking sucks
nvidia, i swear most of the issues i experience are nvidia related in some way
yeah i know using a GTX 1080 with a i7 12700k isn't like the best idea but when given the options of use said gpu and get reasonable framerates with the games im playing (but get massive headaches when something related to the proprietary linux driver eventually breaks, and it does) or use the igpu and get unplayable framerates (or low res) or unnecessarily buy a newer gpu that isn't that big of a jump in performance for me to justify the price
I'm sticking with dealing with nvidia
I'm surprised that makes you want to move back to Windows instead of moving to another hardware platform. I guess it's cheaper to go back to Windows but I'd just rather support a company that supports what I do.
Same. I'm sitting here with a RTX 3080, so upgrading makes even less sense. I haven't really encountered many problems, at least on X, but Wayland support is still a mess and I'm really missing VRR, which isn't really a thing when using a multi-monitor setup on X.
Given how things have been increasingly picking up speed lately I'm hopeful that it'll only take a few more months until I can say goodbye to X and hello to Wayland and VRR.
I have a small, high DPI, laptop screen (<14") and I haven't been able to get all or even most of the software I use to scale properly. It always looks weird and eye strain is a real worry for me, so until this problem is solved I'll be a casual
As a former Arch/Debian enjoyer on all my rigs in between 2012-2017, I can say several things but they might be outdated as of now. I haven't rechecked it so here goes the list of things at that age:
Anything remotely related to Nvidia, especially if you had switchable laptop graphics. Running games was a nightmare and a coin flip. Sometimes you can get games to work, but you got an awful screen tearing even in OS, sometimes it's vice versa.
PulseAudio was problematic. Sometimes booting the pc up resulted into missing audio output or input, or both. Sometimes, under heavy load, lots of audio was crackling until PulseAudio server was rebooted. Rebooting PulseAudio required restarting many apps so they even produce sound.
Drove away for like 2 months, came back to dead Arch install after updating it. Switched to Debian cause I realized I value stability over newer stuff. Until I bought newer hardware which just didn't work at all, can't recall what that was to be honest.
At least during 2012-2015-ish, any browser scrolling was jittery. Like, any. I heard it's fixed right now but every time I used to boot Windows, it was completely different web experience.
As soon as I started using laptops, I noticed that my battery was draining like 2-3 times as fast. Shouldn't be an issue nowadays I hope.
Printing was hell of a nightmare. Especially when I tried bringing my laptop to the office printer.
Probably also related to Nvidia, but still: connecting external monitors never yielded out-of-the-box experience I expected to see. Nothing used proper resolution, scaling or refresh rates. Lots of things required manual configuration every time.
Office software in general. Thank god most people switched to web alternatives right now.
Back in 2012-ish years, Flash was still common and it generally refused to work in many distros. Especially with Nvidia graphics.
There are plenty more reasons I decided to ditch Linux on my workstations and the ones above are just "honorable mentions". The biggest thing I found myself doing is tinkering with my setup much more than doing actual work.
So currently I just use a Windows laptop and WSL when I need local Linux. And of course I monitor and configure hundreds of Linux machines at work. I also have a Macbook Pro 16 mainly for iOS apps debugging and watching movies in bed.
I can say I'm currently neutral to Linux, Mac and Windows these days. They have their own use cases for me and they all allow me to reach my goals in their own way. Just getting best of each world, I guess?
I am glad that you are at peace with your workstations now, but just for updates on current situation in Linux Desktop world:
Mostly the same, but now you can just turn switchable graphics off, so to only use Nvidia.
Now we can use stable pipewire which is 3x times better
Have not seen a delayed arch update problem in a while.
Now it's fine. In Build steam browser still sucks tho, and turning hardware acceleration is an ass ton of problems even now.
Depending on your laptop and configs, some Linux oriented laptops can live for 15 hours on stock
It's easy with Cups and HP drivers, even trou Wi-Fi
Now there are tools that can configure external monitor management. Also, Wayland is good with these types without configs
We still don't have Microsoft Office
Flash works with emulators like Ruffles
Glad that Linux have noticeable progress in its lifespan
I wish Linux had Powertoys Fancy Zones
kde plasma has it enabled by default. just drag your windows using shift. also press super + t to enter the editing mode
Holy shit. This is what I needed. Thank you, thank you!
But then I'd have to use kde. 😣
Yup
What's that?
Splits my Ultrawide into several customised sections that I can snap Windows to.
As I'm dragging a window I simultaneously right click and a bunch of zones appear that I can snap it to.
I have an Ultrawide and a portrait 1440p that are split vertically and horizontally respectively.
Basically KDEs tiling
The main reason I started using Linux is because I wanted to use tiling window managers. Maybe take a look at some of those. It's the same idea as Fancy zones just cranked up to 100
I'm too far down the rabbit hole. Everything I need works, I have built my workflow around sway.
Macs can go to hell because of their ctrl key placement alone; windows has never left hell, not much can be done about that.
I like owning my machine, even if it allows to shoot myself in the foot. With a shotgun. That is the true freedom, I suppose, and I appreciate it more than had ever expected.
I have never been as bothered by a catastrophic linux GUI crash that caused me to pull up a separate machine to walk me through recovering in the command line than I have been by Blue Screen's of Death.
And it's definitely because I know with the linux failure it was my fault, and won't happen again if i learn what caused it and change my behavior (or the system's behavior).
The same is very much not true with window's BSoD, where each time i simply lose more trust in the system.
Raytracing performance. Though once I get my fill of cyberpunk that will fade.
The ease of being able to bork stuff when installing packages.
I've borked my ability to run games through proton in some way. Between installing native and runtime Steam, and installing Waydroid and its kernel extensions I've made games not work where they are just fine on my Steam Deck. Now I gotta reinstall which kind of sucks and I don't have time for it.
I own a MacBook Air basically for GarageBand and other DAWs. I know how to get Jack to work. Pipewire made life easier. Still, music production on linux still sucks butts.
Too many butts for me to do anything other than other computer things and programming.
battery life kinda sucks
Self-hatred.
Very specific - linux mint occasionally... crashes? Goes back to lock screen randomly, and closes all open programs. Very annoying to have happen when playing Beyond All Reason with 15 other people, causing the game to pause while I scramble to get back in (if possible). Haven't looked into why too much, just went back to Windows to game. Mint for casual browsing and most else.
Thats a reason against mint not Linux XD had it too, just use a modified GNOME or KDE desktop and you are fine and actually have wayland support
Fair point, Mint doesn't represent Linux as a whole. I finally settled on Mint cause I didn't like the look of stock GNOME and... I forget why I decided against using Mint's KDE. Choose Cinnamon cause I was tired after distro hopping a bunch and didn't want to tinker anymore.
I'm sure you can customize GNOME to look like KDE/Cinnamon, but if it just breaks in the next update or two I'd rather not go through the trouble.
I think I read somewhere that Mint is getting wayland support soon though? It'll be nice if that fixes the crashing bug.
I think with KDE 6 there is hope. But I am currently having memory safety issues with Dolphin, the rest is working fine though, but anyaways doesnt feel nice.
And KDE is usable... Dolphin is such great software, although probably pretty bloated and somehow crashy
Oof, memory issues are the worst. I haven't tried Dolphin myself so I can't offer much help there, but good luck finding a solution! I should give it a try sometime
If not for internet security concerns, I would daily Windows 7 until they stopped making x86 chips altogether. Microsoft finally got everything right. Briefly.
@mindbleach@ani I feel old saying I felt the same way about windows 2000
It was a low-bullshit implementation. Windows 7 felt like an update to 2000 - as if ME, XP, and Vista never happened. None of that Fisher-Price interface. They had it on lock!
And then they spat out an OS for tablets.
I loved Windows 7. It hurts a little every time I come across someone still running it as a daily driver and I recoil in horror as I recommend basically anything else
i fucking loved windows 7 so much dude. no telemetry hoops to jump through, no always-online, no “this won’t take a minute ;)” snarky ass tongue-in-cheek loading screens. give us back functional progress bars and the Aero theme
Nothing. I have used Linux since it was on the alphabet floppies.
I remember downloading Slackware and copying it on floppies lol
Nothing. But I already use Windows, macOS, and Linux. Linux is my main OS, but to develop stuff for the other systems, I have to keep them around. I hate using them, but I have to.
I am dualbooting but booting to windows fucks up my Bluetooth but I wanna boot to windows to play cyberpunk (I get almost half the fps on linux for that game spesifically), to play modded skyrim and fallout and last but not least run my ai chatbot for text adventures through koboldcpp (too difficult to build from scratch on linux) and oh fortnite, oh also roblox because I somehow fucked up grapejuice on linux and it crashes, if someone would.like to help me troubleshoot that hit me up. Other than that linux is awesome tho. Recently got.my openmw mods working. It is a treat.
On grapefruit, when was the last time you used it? There was a bug on roblox’s end a little but ago and it would make the client crash after a few minutes in game, but I believe it has been fixed (also vinegar is better imo :p)
I fucked it up somehow the grapejuice client crashes
Just want to turn my laptop on and not have to wonder if everything will work.
Not have to perpetually debug small issues like “why is there no sound? Oh it’s playing out of a different audio device”
Not have to worry about installing software and where it comes from, and in which format.
I just want shit to work, day in, day out. And I’m fully aware that I’d probably have these issues, plus others, with osx or windows.
Inconsistency of things, can't change things easily, random outdated stuff that would help if it wasn't abandoned several years ago and patched together to barely work. Gaming on Linux isn't good, so so much distros and not a lot of information besides "whatever you like". Hard to find things online because of outdated posts or just "top 10" type sites.
Windows is just plug and play, with a few apps that remove most annoyances. Nearly all games and modding of games are mostly just works.
As someone who dailied Linux for years and years and whose primary use of my PC is to game... I have to disagree with you. The only title in my entire Steam library that doesn't work is Halo: Infinite, and that only because I'm using an Intel ARC card which has a known issue running Infinite on Linux due to an incompatibility between a specific set of DirectX 12 calls and Vulkan. If I had chosen to upgrade to a new AMD card instead, I'd still be running Linux. But I wanted to support Intel, so here we are. When I'm done playing around on Infinite, I'll switch back and never think about Windows again.
Hell, some of my library runs BETTER on Linux than on Windows with the ARC card. The only game that runs better on Windows is Halo: Infinite, and that's only because it literally doesn't run at all on Linux. 😂
Wish it was like that for me. I duel boot Linux and I often times get to frustrated at basic things with gaming in Linux, like installing mods through vortex and Windows only mod managers in Linux I just switch to Linux and not much trouble.
Note I'm not a seasoned Linux user I know the basics but when I have to go through multiple configs and websites just to have one program work properly, it kinda just ruins it
Yeah, that's fair. Linux has been my daily driver for like... 8 years now? And I dabbled with it for some time before that. I've gotten to a point where I'm MUCH more comfortable doing things the Linux way than I am doing things the Windows way. I also have to admit I don't do much modding for my games, and the little bit that I do is often either a.) Supported/managed by the game itself, or b.) Because I still install the majority of my mods by hand rather than through a mod manager.
I use all three. I have Windows on one of my machines that I use occasionally for gaming. I use Macs for work since that's what all my corporate machines comes with and I daily drive Linux and use it for all my home servers.
I tried to daily Linux on my laptop but gave up after about 6 months. The two major issues for me were the speakers amp and the fingerprint reader not being supported. The speakers wasn't that big of a problem because audio still worked so I could use headphones or Bluetooth. The fingerprint reader not working grew to be a major annoyance though, it's so much more convenient to use than typing out a password.
Some games don't run (runs badly) on Linux.
I have to work on a windows computer so I'm regularly reminded of the horrors that is W11.
Would you mind listing which ones?
I'm a pretty prolific gamer, and haven't found one that doesn't work just fine on my linux desktop.
Minor compatibilities aside,
Nothing that Windows itself has to offer, maybe some wallpapers I can just get online anyways lol
Well, based Terry absolutely makes me want to move to TempleOS
What on earth is a TempleOS?
I own an IT company. We are some sort of base metal partners with MS. I remember a huge box of "Select" CDs turning up back in the day. Nowadays we get demands for customers. ie we should be making more cash for MS. Its all one way - take, take. take.
I'm not a massive fan of owning a company and working for another one. So I don't. MS are receding into the rear view window.
I'm having weird issues with my Wifi where it will just suddenly stop working (Plasma will show "no available connections") and I have to hard reset the machine because Linux won't shut down otherwise. It's not a hardware issue since it doesn't happen on Windows.
Huh weird, I had the exact same issue on Windows and I solved it by switching to Linux. It was triggered by using too much bandwidth on local network so transferring stuff between my fileserver was impossible.
It almost sounds like when I tried a wifi dongle on my mother's desktop. I found out it was deprecated thanks to the manufacturer dropping support for Linux drivers. It worked fine on windows though.
Have you tried troubleshooting the issue?
Will need to. The issue is that it happens at random and I haven't found the actual cause yet. I am using macOS for a project right now though, so that's kept me busy too.
Have you thought of doing a clean install or at least trying a different distro?
Compatibility, though it's usually forced, like the Xbox controller with a drm chip that you need a workaround for
Sometimes not feeling like being part of the online friend group. But I won't switch to Windows, it's just too bad.
Game Maker is still only in beta for Linux. They warn against working on serious projects on it because it can just randomly break them.
Video editing softwares definetely, kdenlive is nothing compared to stuff like sony vegas.
I only play two games and cant for the life of me get them to run properly on linux, and i only start the computer when i want to play so windows it is.
Drivers for the Tobii eye tracker do not officially exist.
There occasional hiccups with Linux that are sometimes by design, like Flatpaks not having access to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin. This makes some things need minor workarounds where they wouldn't otherwise, because there aren't enough people on Linux to make these workarounds the norm. I don't really mind, but it is nice not having to do anything like that on macOS (although there are other issues there, like not having access to /usr/bin in the first place :P)
At the end of the day, though, the development workarounds necessary on Windows are absolutely insane. Even as well documented as they are, I am very glad I don't need to touch Windows ever again because they still suck.
@ani honestly temple os just does what I need my computer to do nothing else can come close to it. I have tryed everything.
Well for the most part Wayland ruined my experience but I'm willing to try again, just not in near future. (was using Fedore 38 KDE for 2months).
And for the rest, I assumed that most things that work with AMD on Windows will work also on Linux since I had that experience on PoPOS with NVIDIA about 4y ago.
Mainly GPU accelerated rendering in Blender which requires the AMD proprietary drivers and does not seem to work with MESA.
KDenlive only supports the AMD x264 encoder and not HEVC and Davinci Resolve has no support for AMD encoders on Linux. They all work fine with NVIDIAs NVENC though.
The lack of drawing and photo editing software. Krita is nowhere near clip studio paint, darktable in nowhere near light room. I use arch with qtile on my main gaming rig. My surface pro 9 is unfortunately stuck with windows 11.
Surface runs great with fedora and the surface kernel. Unfortunately, the lack of software makes it an expensive tablet/laptop that does nothing special. I could flip the surface and get an IPad pro, but I'm not going the apple route. I've been considering the Samsung Galaxy tabs. Those can run clip studio, concepts and some watered-down lightroom app.
darktable in nowhere near light room
What's missing?
It's not a rhetorical question. Clearly articulating how open source software can be improved helps to improve it.
Your attitude towards OS is like what you enjoy about car ownership: Linux: you enjoy building cars and maintaining them. Windows: you prefer to spend your time under the hood working on difficult problems. Mac: you just want to drive.
Something else I miss on Linux is a good alterantive to RoyalTS. RDP, SSH, VNC, etc. connectivity manager. Remmina I think is the closest but its not as good.
The main problem that I heard is that it is power hungry for some reason
My optimus laptop freezes sometimes when using the nvidia card. Idk why, I should look at the logs sometime to figure out what causes it.
Not enough hymns from God, sadly
I'm done with Windows myself. The only time I ever touch it is for work when I gave to deal with some of our VMs for Photoshop users
I need Linux for my work, so it's not really possible to switch.
I do keep a Windows machine for gaming at home though.
Right tool for the job and so on..
League of Legends being broken every patch (like right now). Or Linux not being the focus of the game devs most of the time. Screen sharing not working on discord. Adobe like apps not working on wine (no I won’t use GIMP. It’s easier for me to boot to windows than to learn the GIMP way)
The discord one is just the discord developers being lazy to be fair. Pretty much everything else has proper wayland screen sharing by now
Why make your app fully functional across all systems when instead you can make some custom mute-mic icons to sell for $120/year?
Just need to change electron versions iirc. I’d switch if my friends would too (said every privacy focused person about anything lol)
Wayland, I know that you think some features are insecure and these days I'm actually fine with using it but please give it up
What force the developers back to X11?
No, I mean that the Wayland devs should stop saying that features are security flaws and just admit they don't have features
ahahahahahaha. epic idead.
what makes you not use letters anymore and maybe move back to illiteracy?
The longer you use linux excluslively, you don't think about windows or mac. You think about fedora or suse, kde or gnome, yay or apt, distrobox or toolbox.
IKR the longer I use Linux the more I think about TempleOS
Lmao
They don’t give us free games with the OS anymore but TempleOS has HOLY games
That is...true, actually. The longer I use Linux, the more I'm like "....but what if, man, what if I ditch Arch for Fedora or NixOS or give Pop_OS! another chance (and i very well might when Cosmic launches)?" And sometimes I do...and then always come crawling back.
Going back to Windows full time ain't even crossed my mind for a hot minute. Partly because i have a spare driver running it for emergencies (that i barely use anyways, only because Windows literally runs one important app that I need, that I can't run on Linux), and partly because going back means being stuck with Windows 11 again, and I really dislike Windows 11's design choices, personally (and Microsoft in general, but i digress).
Windows 10 can 100% still be installed. I say that from a Win10 install.
Oh I know it can be installed, but after the headache I got re-installing 10 once before and then trying to get 11 running on...anything, really, i just decided "you know what? What will be will be at this point. I'm not gonna need it for much anyways." when i finally got 11 to accept and install into a random external drive that i never really used (it didn't like the one i had inside my PC reserved specifically for it. Somehow...).
(Note: this was a while back, so installation could be a helluva lot better now and i have upgraded a bit since then but, shrug. Already got Windows ready to go on a drive, and only have it because I might need it moreso than me actually wanting to have it, so meh)
I can't anymore. Leads to system crashing randomly. 11 works unfortunately.
paru
At a certain point I just feel like Linux isn't designed to let me talk to God. All that bloat like networking and hardware drivers get in the way. I need to get away from the CIA mind control and return to something pure and simple. And when I feel that way, Based Terry is always there for me.
RIP Terry Davis, Temple OS forever
Nothing TBH. I find Windows too stressful, Macs are too boring, and I can't use TempleOS because I don't have schizophrenia.
Damnit. You managed to give me a laughing coughing fit
The fucking GTK file chooser. It's like all application developers have made a pact with each other to never use a consistent UX, with the exception of having to press ctrl-L to edit the path textbox. It's painful. And as much as I like XDP, support for it is spotty at best, and sometimes downright broken.
I mean, who the FUCK puts the filesystem root in a submenu? Or sorts files and directories together? I just want to talk and explain why they're beyond salvation.
I searched around for a bit, and apparently one could preload a library to replace the file dialog functions with an own, custom one, and I'd root for rofi (with a dmenu theme, kinda).
GTK my behated 🥲
I feel like this post is guerilla marketing for "TempleOS", which I've never heard of before and will absolutely not be looking up after this.
It's not. TempleOS is a famous from scratch OS created by a guy with serious mental illness. It's a sad story, but the capability of that guy was incredible. He's gone now :(
TempleOS (wikipedia) is a meme os. It's supposed to be god's os and was singlehandedly coded by the late Terry Davis. So this post isn't really marketing, and the reference is just supposed to be humorous.
For real though definitely do not access this site right bellow here and install this OS
▶️▶️▶️❗❗ https://templeos.org ❗❗◀️◀️◀️
It 100% is guerilla marketing for Temple OS.
Shut up and take my money
I love this reaction and how dramatically out of sync it is with what TempleOS actually is. I know it is innocent and accidental so this is in no way a shot at the poster. It is just a hilariously wrong take.
I have looked it up and to include it in that list is just downright ludicrous. Let me give you some quotes from the wiki
“The system was characterized as a modern x86-64 Commodore 64, using an interface similar to a mixture of DOS and Turbo C.”
“TempleOS (formerly J Operating System, LoseThos, and SparrowOS) is a biblical-themed lightweight operating system (OS) designed to be the Third Temple prophesied in the Bible. It was created by American programmer Terry A. Davis, who developed it alone over the course of a decade after a series of manic episodes that he later described as a revelation from God.”
“The system was characterized as a modern x86-64 Commodore 64, using an interface similar to a mixture of DOS and Turbo C. Davis proclaimed that the system's features, such as its 640x480 resolution, 16-color display, and single-voice audio, were designed according to explicit instructions from God.”
What the actual fuck?!?
Yep. Dude was definitely nutso, but he was an incredible programmer. Shame really.
God wants you to use it.
Definitely
I've no plans to go back to my abusive ex.
one of these things is not like the others
Yeah, MacOS wasn't originally intended for x86 CPUs.
It is surprisingly hard to run Android apps on Linux, despite Android itself being Linux based. Being able to run Android apps quickly and natively would be a game changer for Linux, resolving long standing issues of app availability. Hell you could even then use Android version of Microsoft Office etc. This should be a higher priority for all distros.
Until then, there are apps that are simply unavailable on Linux, even with Wine support, that necessitate using Windows or macOS.
Is Anbox no longer a thing? It runs Android apps in a container.
Or is it more the issue with the apps not running "natively"?
Waydroid nowadays. Works waaay better
Anbox is dead
Have tried to use Anbox, seriously painful to install and get working properly (Debian), and then equally annoying to install apps, and they're still not really first class citizens like other Linux apps. The experience should be as easy as what Wine have achieved.
It is. Anbox is outdated and x11 based. Waydroid is great
Looking into Waydroid thanks 👍
That rings a bell.. could one use BlissOS or Android-x86 in a vm? I can't remember. It's another thing I've been meaning to look into.
Waydroid worked fine when I tried it.
Nah, I'm 100% done with Windows. Even if good ol' Bill comes up with something that forces me to use Windows for whatever reason, Linux will always be in my routine thanks to single board computers.
a gun to the head
That's the reason I use TempleOS.
Why the hell would anyone run TempleOS?
Find vulnerabilities that could grant access to heaven
Ah, but with no Internet access or support for external devices, it's completely secure!
Not from E-Vil
I'm plenty free from evil after reading my daily devotions gifted to me by the god OS
But they also found a vulnerability recently on the Gameboy DMG.
You don't choose to run it, God appears to you in a vision and commands it and then you have no choice.
Because it is quite possibly the last of its kind - a desktop OS that was built from scratch by one person with one (strange) vision. Everything else has a lineage to AT&T Unix or CP/M.
There are a surprising number of one person OS projects, many of them more useable than TempleOS.
What makes TempleOS unique is the fame of its creator, sadly largely as the result of his mental illness. His story also explains how it was able to become so famous while also not attracting contributors.
Other OS projects either stay obscure or, if they become widely known, they attract contributors. SerenityOS is an example of what was a single man effort but is now a reasonably large and thriving community. It has become self-sustaining enough that the founder largely focussed on the web browser these days with the OS connoting to move forward largely via the work of others ( including ports to other architectures ).
I think part of what you are saying though is that most other projects aim for POSIX compliance and that is true. There are some that don’t but, as above, that tends to keep them obscure.
What about Redox?
Because God told them to.
...to hear the words of god? Kind of a silly question
I'm approaching the point where I'm seriously considering buying a spare drive for a Windows install exclusively for VR. I'm currently dealing with 3 separate serious issues with SteamVR on Linux, one of which I sometimes can't even work around depending on how it's feeling that day. Not to mention, every new release lately seems to introduce a new problem.
I haven't had a Windows install on my system since my previous SSD died 2 or 3 years ago, but it's getting to the point where it's more trouble than it's worth.
This is why I have a windows box. I'm hoping when they finally release SteamOS 3 for PC it will have stable SteamVR support.
What headset do you have? The Index is fully supported in Linux.
It's not fully supported: https://old.reddit.com/r/ValveIndex/comments/zs8snv/vr_on_linux_makes_me_sad/
I'm quoting this guy because I think that VR straight up doesn't work on NixOS, and I haven't gotten to testing my Index on any other os yet.
https://xeiaso.net/blog/nixos-vr-hell-2021-12-02/ <- It seems this guy wasn't able to get VR working on NixOS either.
To Valve's credit, since that post they did implement base station power management and some DEs now implement Wayland's DRM leasing protocol, and there's a somewhat buggy async reproduction implementation in place (although it's broken in SteamVR 2.0 onwards).
It most certainly is not. Besides the missing features mentioned by the other commenter, SteamVR 2.1 literally shipped last week with a bug that caused it to completely stop functioning on Linux. I think the hotfix version still isn't in the release channel. There's another bug still present in 2.1.7 that prevents VR games from starting. SteamVR Home doesn't work at all anymore.
2.0 had an issue where vrdashboard was using the wrong pixel format which caused the red and blue channels to be swapped (pretty sure that made it into the release channel), and there was a regression introduced in the last year (and is still yet to be fixed) that causes vrdashboard to be rendered to the controller instead of the battery indicator. Granted, these are more minor issues, but it shows the level of QA that goes into the Linux version (next to none).
That's excellent to hear. The Index is the only vr headset I have ever been considering getting.
The parent comment is not correct. The Index paired with SteamVR on Linux has a plethora of issues and sometimes doesn't work at all. It's usually possible to get it working through some combination of switching SteamVR versions and rebooting, but it's never a guarantee and usually takes a good chunk of time to get sorted when it's being temperamental.
The ease of buying a quality laptop without having to worry about if it will run well with my OS.
I've been using MacOS for about 8 years at work and I never really taken to it. It's fine and I can do my work but I won't use it if I hadn't to (unless the only alternative was Windows). But one thing I really like about Macs is that you can buy one and you won't have any headaches with battery life, software compatibility etc. You get decent hardware (let's ignore the whole 8GB on an M3 = 16GB on other machine debacle) and know that it will work decently well with 3rd party software/hardware and if something breaks you can just bring into an Apple store.
While there are dedicated Linux sellers (System76, Tuxedo Computeres, Starlabs), I'm hesitant to spend 2k on a computer just to find out that the build quality is subpar, the battery life sucks or that customer support will just ignore my requests (read some bad experiences on the Starlabs subreddit).
Libreoffice calc does not have the functionality Excel does.
Time for a bug report 😹
Also, have you tried gnumeric?
Gnumeric is nice and lightweight, but unlikely to satisfy people who are looking for a lot of features.
Low performance of very specific games made by small studios on middle-aged low-budget hardware makes me consider dual-booting, but then I remember that I hate closed-source, software-as-a-service, tracking-financed operating systems.
Lack of good VR support.
That's been the primary reason why I've kept a Windows dual boot, though when I tried Steam VR on Linux a month ago it mostly worked well. Still some features that are unavailable, and a couple of bugs, but usable.
Nothing.
Used to be the occasional game. Then the great Gabe was like "fuck Windows" and polished up Wine to make Proton. So...
Nothing.
fuck windows i'm never going back to that shit
It never was free.
It's not free any more.
I'm not religious.
So, I guess I get to stay on Linux for longer. Well, damn!
I never "switched". I just started using the right tool for the job. I use Linux for productivity stuff. Windows for gaming and audio/music production, mostly. I don't own a Mac anymore but if I did, it'd probably be their laptops, and I'd probably take over some of the development and creative work while on the go. I'm admittedly not very "religious" when it comes to the software I use. Whatever works best for me. I'm not married to anything. Makes it easier to switch things out down the line.
templeos
very daily drivable!!
Nothing. GNU/Linux is fantastic. But only that but the principles of Free Software are literally the most important thing to happen in computing. Respecting user freedom is THE most important thing an OS can do.
Only Linux offers that. In using this forever.
There's FreeBSD, OpenBSD, etc. Which are not Linux-based.
Yes but they don't operate on those principles. They lean to just open source, not necessarily Free Software which are 2 different things.
Plus they are best unusable by the average person as they have no desktop environment.
I did a wireshark on bloatware windows in idle and it's nope.
I really miss interpreting the vague random words from God. Funnily enough, God via TempleOS was what told me to transition to Linux in the first place!
Amen sibling.
Nothing, but my biggest gripe is with the fucking file explorers. All of them are super inferior compared to win10 sadly
Super inferior? Windows 10 is far worse, at least windows 11 added tabs, but still is far worse than krusader or dolphin for me.
What do you like about windows version?
What are your favorite features of the Windows 10 file manager? Listing what you miss from other operating systems can help the Linux ecosystem to improve.
For me on Gnome Files (Nautilus) its little things:
Nautilus also has the default bookmarks for Videos, Documents, etc hard coded and the only way to change their location/remove them is by editing config files.
Very old comment, but my 2 cents: sorting by extension instead of MIME type. I don't want my jpegs, gifs and pngs mixed up when I tell PCMan, Thunar or Dolphin to sort by type. It annoys me to no end that something Windows has had since at least 95, most distros' default file explorers don't.
Oh, I found Dolphin to be a superior experience to File Explorer in Win 10. I had a particular hatred for how it would, when copying files inside a OneDrive folder and trying to instantly rename them, decide to mark the entire name field after about one second (when sync of new file is complete), causing me to erase everything I wrote in that second and having to start naming it again. In my last job, this occurred on a very frequent basis.
Man I wish my feedback would help but nobody is going to take the time to change something just because a random person complains about it on Lemmy, and neither am I gonna start a fork just for the sake of having my feature there.
Anywho, my biggest problem is with the "detailed view" mode and how it's done in ALL file explorers on Linux.
I was more interested in what Windows gets right.
What exactly is better on win10?
For one, the detailed view mode. I have tried it in Dolphin and Mint's FE, don't remember if Nautilus has one, but they all try to appear like this oversimplified look. There is so much padding and dead space I want it to be compact and to the point.
Second, the side bar is just, sad.
Overall I don't like the design I guess? They all feel very... apple like? Trying to be simple but in the process becoming wayyy too simple.
yesterday i pressed tab to autocomplete in file explorer. didnt work. then i tried to split the view so i had a way to move files without cluttering my desktop. somehow didnt work on windows. dolphin(after getting used to it coming from windows) is loads better
You're right, but also, in my experience by the time i'm wanting those more advanced features i'd prefer to do it in the command line anyway, and so the
Right Click |> Open in Terminalsolves all my issues.When my Gnome desktop works perfectly, then it gets updated and my tiling extension doesn’t work with the new version of Gnome.
Still, I ain’t going back to windows 😇
Personally Linux has everything I want. Kind of per definition. If it's not available for Linux I don't care about it. I would use Windows if I had to use it for work.
So then your answer is irrelevant to the question.
Nothing really. You pay with your time by going to Linux but the effort is getting lower both because of me getting better but mostly the experience won't compare with 20 yeara ago.since the non FOSS alternatives are getting more telemtry/call home functions rhe choice is an easy one.
I already have a 60+ hour per week job. I don't need a second one, endlessly diagnosing why the simplest of tasks are constantly breaking.
Huh, funny. I say the same about windows. Typical tasks performed at work on windows machines take hours that take me minutes. Constant random failures, etc etc.
My Linux machine at work is rock solid
Have to agree. I've been using linux for ~20 years. Tried using it multiple times as a desktop main system. Sometimes it took a few days, sometimes a few months but I always ended up back at windows (now macos). It's always something random. Something that should work, but is not. Something I could (given time) fix if I wanted to. The problem is that these tend to happen at times I want to actually use my computer and not tinker around. I have linux running on multiple servers perfectly fine, but on desktop it's a hard pass for me.
Your question is malformed because even the odd troubles of Linux these days are absolutely nothing compared to the hoops I used to go through to try to get a Kernel built for my hardware 25 years ago. The occasional non-working speaker or other config issue is tiny. It doesn't even register as a problem.
Compare that to the shit show that is Windows? Fuck that OS. I try not to be very vocal when I meet people about it, but Windows just won't be a choice for me. I've turned down jobs because it would move me to a Windows house for tools. It's not worth living in that kind of hellhole UI design and wrestling with whatever enshittification MSFT has driven down your crop with the latest updates. I have a life to live and wrestling with my OS isn't what I'm going to spend it doing.
I don't know much about the current MacOS environment these days. I stopped in the OSX 10.4 days. I just don't have the hardware to consider it, so no real opinion.
So... your question is malformed because it's not even worth considering and I've got a quarter century of experience to back that one up.
Nothing. Not even Wayland and Systemd will force me off of Linux.
Right? Even the "ick" parts of linux i'd take over osx or windows
That's the neat part: you don't have to take the icky parts. Just use artix instead of arch to not use systemd
Hardware. I do all my work on a laptop and those Apple M series processors have been amazing for performance and battery life. I’ll stick with a Mac until those Qualcomm X Elite CPUs start getting shipped in Windows laptops next year. After using this Mac for the past year, I think I prefer Windows and WSL over MacOS or Linux. This whole post only applies to laptops though; Linux on desktop and servers for life.
Having to fiddle with some games, I need my DLSS. I'mnin this for live tho.
I always install Linux, 1-2 times per year but in the end I always go back to Windows. I have apps which are Windows only but whenever I want to change display scaling to 125% on Linux, is when I slowly start losing interest in it.
Wayland fractional scaling coming to a DE near you*
*Soon TM
I swear they are using the same *Soon TM as Valve is using with Half-Life 3
The Wayland development team has been described as shell shocked X.org devs who are afraid of committing to a feature because then they'd have to support it.
CAD Im not moving back, its more like moving back and forth
The only thing that drives me nuts on a regular basis is the lack of fully functional Microsoft apps. Specifically Teams and Outlook. Unfortunately I work with Microsoft shops constantly and need those two apps. Outlook PWA has issues and freezes constantly. Teams PWA just doesn't do notifications.
That's it.
But Windows blows and Macs are just too damned expensive.
I use teams for Linux, and it has notifications. I used teams Pwa on Firefox before and that also had notifications.
I'll try Teams for Linux. Teams for Firefox does give notifications, but doesn't support background pictures or screen sharing. Well, last I checked.
In the same boat. The web versions have compatibility issues with the desktop versions when it comes to formatting. I've resorted to running Windows unlicensed in a VM.
Using Widows on my private rig now to play Fortnite with my son after ~15 years on Linux only. Also getting a MacBook Pro at work now, since I have to use Zoom and stuff like that everyday. Having no hardware acceleration on Linux is a no-go. This is not Linux' fault though. Also I'm old enough to just use the right tool for a job.
Bluetooth on Linux fucking sucks
nvidia, i swear most of the issues i experience are nvidia related in some way yeah i know using a GTX 1080 with a i7 12700k isn't like the best idea but when given the options of use said gpu and get reasonable framerates with the games im playing (but get massive headaches when something related to the proprietary linux driver eventually breaks, and it does) or use the igpu and get unplayable framerates (or low res) or unnecessarily buy a newer gpu that isn't that big of a jump in performance for me to justify the price I'm sticking with dealing with nvidia
I'm surprised that makes you want to move back to Windows instead of moving to another hardware platform. I guess it's cheaper to go back to Windows but I'd just rather support a company that supports what I do.
Same. I'm sitting here with a RTX 3080, so upgrading makes even less sense. I haven't really encountered many problems, at least on X, but Wayland support is still a mess and I'm really missing VRR, which isn't really a thing when using a multi-monitor setup on X.
Given how things have been increasingly picking up speed lately I'm hopeful that it'll only take a few more months until I can say goodbye to X and hello to Wayland and VRR.
I have a small, high DPI, laptop screen (<14") and I haven't been able to get all or even most of the software I use to scale properly. It always looks weird and eye strain is a real worry for me, so until this problem is solved I'll be a casual
As a former Arch/Debian enjoyer on all my rigs in between 2012-2017, I can say several things but they might be outdated as of now. I haven't rechecked it so here goes the list of things at that age:
Anything remotely related to Nvidia, especially if you had switchable laptop graphics. Running games was a nightmare and a coin flip. Sometimes you can get games to work, but you got an awful screen tearing even in OS, sometimes it's vice versa.
PulseAudio was problematic. Sometimes booting the pc up resulted into missing audio output or input, or both. Sometimes, under heavy load, lots of audio was crackling until PulseAudio server was rebooted. Rebooting PulseAudio required restarting many apps so they even produce sound.
Drove away for like 2 months, came back to dead Arch install after updating it. Switched to Debian cause I realized I value stability over newer stuff. Until I bought newer hardware which just didn't work at all, can't recall what that was to be honest.
At least during 2012-2015-ish, any browser scrolling was jittery. Like, any. I heard it's fixed right now but every time I used to boot Windows, it was completely different web experience.
As soon as I started using laptops, I noticed that my battery was draining like 2-3 times as fast. Shouldn't be an issue nowadays I hope.
Printing was hell of a nightmare. Especially when I tried bringing my laptop to the office printer.
Probably also related to Nvidia, but still: connecting external monitors never yielded out-of-the-box experience I expected to see. Nothing used proper resolution, scaling or refresh rates. Lots of things required manual configuration every time.
Office software in general. Thank god most people switched to web alternatives right now.
Back in 2012-ish years, Flash was still common and it generally refused to work in many distros. Especially with Nvidia graphics.
There are plenty more reasons I decided to ditch Linux on my workstations and the ones above are just "honorable mentions". The biggest thing I found myself doing is tinkering with my setup much more than doing actual work.
So currently I just use a Windows laptop and WSL when I need local Linux. And of course I monitor and configure hundreds of Linux machines at work. I also have a Macbook Pro 16 mainly for iOS apps debugging and watching movies in bed.
I can say I'm currently neutral to Linux, Mac and Windows these days. They have their own use cases for me and they all allow me to reach my goals in their own way. Just getting best of each world, I guess?
I am glad that you are at peace with your workstations now, but just for updates on current situation in Linux Desktop world:
Glad that Linux have noticeable progress in its lifespan
I wish Linux had Powertoys Fancy Zones
kde plasma has it enabled by default. just drag your windows using shift. also press super + t to enter the editing mode
Holy shit. This is what I needed. Thank you, thank you!
But then I'd have to use kde. 😣
Yup
What's that?
Splits my Ultrawide into several customised sections that I can snap Windows to.
As I'm dragging a window I simultaneously right click and a bunch of zones appear that I can snap it to.
I have an Ultrawide and a portrait 1440p that are split vertically and horizontally respectively.
Basically KDEs tiling
The main reason I started using Linux is because I wanted to use tiling window managers. Maybe take a look at some of those. It's the same idea as Fancy zones just cranked up to 100
I'm too far down the rabbit hole. Everything I need works, I have built my workflow around sway.
Macs can go to hell because of their ctrl key placement alone; windows has never left hell, not much can be done about that.
I like owning my machine, even if it allows to shoot myself in the foot. With a shotgun. That is the true freedom, I suppose, and I appreciate it more than had ever expected.
I have never been as bothered by a catastrophic linux GUI crash that caused me to pull up a separate machine to walk me through recovering in the command line than I have been by Blue Screen's of Death.
And it's definitely because I know with the linux failure it was my fault, and won't happen again if i learn what caused it and change my behavior (or the system's behavior).
The same is very much not true with window's BSoD, where each time i simply lose more trust in the system.
Raytracing performance. Though once I get my fill of cyberpunk that will fade.
The ease of being able to bork stuff when installing packages. I've borked my ability to run games through proton in some way. Between installing native and runtime Steam, and installing Waydroid and its kernel extensions I've made games not work where they are just fine on my Steam Deck. Now I gotta reinstall which kind of sucks and I don't have time for it.
I own a MacBook Air basically for GarageBand and other DAWs. I know how to get Jack to work. Pipewire made life easier. Still, music production on linux still sucks butts.
Too many butts for me to do anything other than other computer things and programming.
battery life kinda sucks
Self-hatred.
Very specific - linux mint occasionally... crashes? Goes back to lock screen randomly, and closes all open programs. Very annoying to have happen when playing Beyond All Reason with 15 other people, causing the game to pause while I scramble to get back in (if possible). Haven't looked into why too much, just went back to Windows to game. Mint for casual browsing and most else.
Thats a reason against mint not Linux XD had it too, just use a modified GNOME or KDE desktop and you are fine and actually have wayland support
Fair point, Mint doesn't represent Linux as a whole. I finally settled on Mint cause I didn't like the look of stock GNOME and... I forget why I decided against using Mint's KDE. Choose Cinnamon cause I was tired after distro hopping a bunch and didn't want to tinker anymore.
I'm sure you can customize GNOME to look like KDE/Cinnamon, but if it just breaks in the next update or two I'd rather not go through the trouble.
I think I read somewhere that Mint is getting wayland support soon though? It'll be nice if that fixes the crashing bug.
I think with KDE 6 there is hope. But I am currently having memory safety issues with Dolphin, the rest is working fine though, but anyaways doesnt feel nice.
And KDE is usable... Dolphin is such great software, although probably pretty bloated and somehow crashy
Oof, memory issues are the worst. I haven't tried Dolphin myself so I can't offer much help there, but good luck finding a solution! I should give it a try sometime
If not for internet security concerns, I would daily Windows 7 until they stopped making x86 chips altogether. Microsoft finally got everything right. Briefly.
@mindbleach @ani I feel old saying I felt the same way about windows 2000
It was a low-bullshit implementation. Windows 7 felt like an update to 2000 - as if ME, XP, and Vista never happened. None of that Fisher-Price interface. They had it on lock!
And then they spat out an OS for tablets.
I loved Windows 7. It hurts a little every time I come across someone still running it as a daily driver and I recoil in horror as I recommend basically anything else
i fucking loved windows 7 so much dude. no telemetry hoops to jump through, no always-online, no “this won’t take a minute ;)” snarky ass tongue-in-cheek loading screens. give us back functional progress bars and the Aero theme
Nothing. I have used Linux since it was on the alphabet floppies.
I remember downloading Slackware and copying it on floppies lol
Nothing. But I already use Windows, macOS, and Linux. Linux is my main OS, but to develop stuff for the other systems, I have to keep them around. I hate using them, but I have to.
I am dualbooting but booting to windows fucks up my Bluetooth but I wanna boot to windows to play cyberpunk (I get almost half the fps on linux for that game spesifically), to play modded skyrim and fallout and last but not least run my ai chatbot for text adventures through koboldcpp (too difficult to build from scratch on linux) and oh fortnite, oh also roblox because I somehow fucked up grapejuice on linux and it crashes, if someone would.like to help me troubleshoot that hit me up. Other than that linux is awesome tho. Recently got.my openmw mods working. It is a treat.
On grapefruit, when was the last time you used it? There was a bug on roblox’s end a little but ago and it would make the client crash after a few minutes in game, but I believe it has been fixed (also vinegar is better imo :p)
I fucked it up somehow the grapejuice client crashes
Just want to turn my laptop on and not have to wonder if everything will work.
Not have to perpetually debug small issues like “why is there no sound? Oh it’s playing out of a different audio device”
Not have to worry about installing software and where it comes from, and in which format.
I just want shit to work, day in, day out. And I’m fully aware that I’d probably have these issues, plus others, with osx or windows.
Inconsistency of things, can't change things easily, random outdated stuff that would help if it wasn't abandoned several years ago and patched together to barely work. Gaming on Linux isn't good, so so much distros and not a lot of information besides "whatever you like". Hard to find things online because of outdated posts or just "top 10" type sites.
Windows is just plug and play, with a few apps that remove most annoyances. Nearly all games and modding of games are mostly just works.
As someone who dailied Linux for years and years and whose primary use of my PC is to game... I have to disagree with you. The only title in my entire Steam library that doesn't work is Halo: Infinite, and that only because I'm using an Intel ARC card which has a known issue running Infinite on Linux due to an incompatibility between a specific set of DirectX 12 calls and Vulkan. If I had chosen to upgrade to a new AMD card instead, I'd still be running Linux. But I wanted to support Intel, so here we are. When I'm done playing around on Infinite, I'll switch back and never think about Windows again.
Hell, some of my library runs BETTER on Linux than on Windows with the ARC card. The only game that runs better on Windows is Halo: Infinite, and that's only because it literally doesn't run at all on Linux. 😂
Wish it was like that for me. I duel boot Linux and I often times get to frustrated at basic things with gaming in Linux, like installing mods through vortex and Windows only mod managers in Linux I just switch to Linux and not much trouble.
Note I'm not a seasoned Linux user I know the basics but when I have to go through multiple configs and websites just to have one program work properly, it kinda just ruins it
Yeah, that's fair. Linux has been my daily driver for like... 8 years now? And I dabbled with it for some time before that. I've gotten to a point where I'm MUCH more comfortable doing things the Linux way than I am doing things the Windows way. I also have to admit I don't do much modding for my games, and the little bit that I do is often either a.) Supported/managed by the game itself, or b.) Because I still install the majority of my mods by hand rather than through a mod manager.
I use all three. I have Windows on one of my machines that I use occasionally for gaming. I use Macs for work since that's what all my corporate machines comes with and I daily drive Linux and use it for all my home servers.
I tried to daily Linux on my laptop but gave up after about 6 months. The two major issues for me were the speakers amp and the fingerprint reader not being supported. The speakers wasn't that big of a problem because audio still worked so I could use headphones or Bluetooth. The fingerprint reader not working grew to be a major annoyance though, it's so much more convenient to use than typing out a password.
Some games don't run (runs badly) on Linux.
I have to work on a windows computer so I'm regularly reminded of the horrors that is W11.
Would you mind listing which ones?
I'm a pretty prolific gamer, and haven't found one that doesn't work just fine on my linux desktop.
Minor compatibilities aside, Nothing that Windows itself has to offer, maybe some wallpapers I can just get online anyways lol
Well, based Terry absolutely makes me want to move to TempleOS
What on earth is a TempleOS?
I own an IT company. We are some sort of base metal partners with MS. I remember a huge box of "Select" CDs turning up back in the day. Nowadays we get demands for customers. ie we should be making more cash for MS. Its all one way - take, take. take.
I'm not a massive fan of owning a company and working for another one. So I don't. MS are receding into the rear view window.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS
I'm having weird issues with my Wifi where it will just suddenly stop working (Plasma will show "no available connections") and I have to hard reset the machine because Linux won't shut down otherwise. It's not a hardware issue since it doesn't happen on Windows.
Huh weird, I had the exact same issue on Windows and I solved it by switching to Linux. It was triggered by using too much bandwidth on local network so transferring stuff between my fileserver was impossible.
It almost sounds like when I tried a wifi dongle on my mother's desktop. I found out it was deprecated thanks to the manufacturer dropping support for Linux drivers. It worked fine on windows though.
Have you tried troubleshooting the issue?
Will need to. The issue is that it happens at random and I haven't found the actual cause yet. I am using macOS for a project right now though, so that's kept me busy too.
Have you thought of doing a clean install or at least trying a different distro?
Compatibility, though it's usually forced, like the Xbox controller with a drm chip that you need a workaround for
Sometimes not feeling like being part of the online friend group. But I won't switch to Windows, it's just too bad.
Game Maker is still only in beta for Linux. They warn against working on serious projects on it because it can just randomly break them.
Video editing softwares definetely, kdenlive is nothing compared to stuff like sony vegas.
Davinci Resolve has Linux support. You can install it with Nix https://search.nixos.org/packages?channel=unstable&show=davinci-resolve&from=0&size=50&sort=relevance&type=packages&query=davinci-resolve
Brain damage
I only play two games and cant for the life of me get them to run properly on linux, and i only start the computer when i want to play so windows it is.
Drivers for the Tobii eye tracker do not officially exist.
There occasional hiccups with Linux that are sometimes by design, like Flatpaks not having access to /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin. This makes some things need minor workarounds where they wouldn't otherwise, because there aren't enough people on Linux to make these workarounds the norm. I don't really mind, but it is nice not having to do anything like that on macOS (although there are other issues there, like not having access to /usr/bin in the first place :P)
At the end of the day, though, the development workarounds necessary on Windows are absolutely insane. Even as well documented as they are, I am very glad I don't need to touch Windows ever again because they still suck.
@ani honestly temple os just does what I need my computer to do nothing else can come close to it. I have tryed everything.
Well for the most part Wayland ruined my experience but I'm willing to try again, just not in near future. (was using Fedore 38 KDE for 2months).
And for the rest, I assumed that most things that work with AMD on Windows will work also on Linux since I had that experience on PoPOS with NVIDIA about 4y ago.
Mainly GPU accelerated rendering in Blender which requires the AMD proprietary drivers and does not seem to work with MESA.
KDenlive only supports the AMD x264 encoder and not HEVC and Davinci Resolve has no support for AMD encoders on Linux. They all work fine with NVIDIAs NVENC though.
The lack of drawing and photo editing software. Krita is nowhere near clip studio paint, darktable in nowhere near light room. I use arch with qtile on my main gaming rig. My surface pro 9 is unfortunately stuck with windows 11.
Surface runs great with fedora and the surface kernel. Unfortunately, the lack of software makes it an expensive tablet/laptop that does nothing special. I could flip the surface and get an IPad pro, but I'm not going the apple route. I've been considering the Samsung Galaxy tabs. Those can run clip studio, concepts and some watered-down lightroom app.
What's missing?
It's not a rhetorical question. Clearly articulating how open source software can be improved helps to improve it.
Your attitude towards OS is like what you enjoy about car ownership: Linux: you enjoy building cars and maintaining them. Windows: you prefer to spend your time under the hood working on difficult problems. Mac: you just want to drive.
Something else I miss on Linux is a good alterantive to RoyalTS. RDP, SSH, VNC, etc. connectivity manager. Remmina I think is the closest but its not as good.
What is missing? Have you tried https://rustdesk.com?
My employer is an MS shop so needs RDP, and then SSH for the Linux systems I've introduced.
I'm thinking about whonix+qubes... Just because it's the best... https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Qubes/Install
The main problem that I heard is that it is power hungry for some reason
My optimus laptop freezes sometimes when using the nvidia card. Idk why, I should look at the logs sometime to figure out what causes it.
Not enough hymns from God, sadly
I'm done with Windows myself. The only time I ever touch it is for work when I gave to deal with some of our VMs for Photoshop users
I need Linux for my work, so it's not really possible to switch.
I do keep a Windows machine for gaming at home though.
Right tool for the job and so on..
League of Legends being broken every patch (like right now). Or Linux not being the focus of the game devs most of the time. Screen sharing not working on discord. Adobe like apps not working on wine (no I won’t use GIMP. It’s easier for me to boot to windows than to learn the GIMP way)
The discord one is just the discord developers being lazy to be fair. Pretty much everything else has proper wayland screen sharing by now
Why make your app fully functional across all systems when instead you can make some custom mute-mic icons to sell for $120/year?
Just need to change electron versions iirc. I’d switch if my friends would too (said every privacy focused person about anything lol)
Wayland, I know that you think some features are insecure and these days I'm actually fine with using it but please give it up
What force the developers back to X11?
No, I mean that the Wayland devs should stop saying that features are security flaws and just admit they don't have features
ahahahahahaha. epic idead.
what makes you not use letters anymore and maybe move back to illiteracy?