Aktshually, the empty set is a subset of any other set π€
But also, the fact that frogs and elephants are disjunct is conjecture at this point
Frogness is a spectrum
Thatβs a very frogressive thing to say.
Your both wrong there are crabs and then there are crabs π¦π¦π¦π¦
we are crab π¦
π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦ JAGEX SERVERS ARE POWERLESS AGAINST AUTH DELAY π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦
Crabbbbb people craaaabbb peopleeee
Crabs and will eventually evolve into crab.
I am frog-fluid. Some days I am a frog and others I am not frog.
Doesnβt that happen just once, when tadpolemaxxing has been achieved ?
Crabs and not yet crabs.
Are these elephants in the room right now?
As a non-elephant in the room I feel overlooked
The elephants exist in a state of being in the room and not being in the room
You gotta address the elephant in the room for it to exist
You either are crabs or have crabs
Holy crab
There are elephants, non-elephants, and undetermined elephants.
This comment was made by the intuitionistic and/or fuzzy logic gang.
Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary
Good point!
And when everyone is non-binary, no one is π
That's not how that works. If there isn't a binary (because there isn't just 2 options) then this would be a non-binary system and so everyone would be non-binary.
Was looking for this comment. Thank you.
What up my hexadecimals
That's just like Hangul, but for computer numbers.
Once you're quite good at reading hexadecimals, you no longer need to look up binary, though you still need decimal-hexadecimal conversion, which is slower.
There are only 2 numbers
0/1
all the other numbers
All the other numbers can be written wit 0/1
Counterpoint: Floating-point inaccuracies.
Floating point is a consequence of physical computerr being finite not using binary.
Counter-counter-counterpoint: pi in base-pi can be written in one digit
In that case decimal is flawed too, 0.6667 or any such approxination doesnt exactly equal 2/3. It technically happens in any number system where you are dividing by a prime that isnt part of either the base or the number being divided
Counterpoint 1: 0.6Μ (Unicode does not support numbers with overdots correctly)
Counterpoint 2: 2/3
It won't work with irrational numbers, or transcendental numbers even if you allow things like β2.
But honestly I have no idea what the point of this conversation even is
Define "all the other numbers". Do we include only natural numbers? Or all instegers? Or even rational numbers? Do we include imaginary numbers? How about complex numbers? Orbetter go for quaternions?
There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play ...and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals...
...so non-binary doesn't necessarily make a new binary if they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.
A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences/behaviour.
...queer.
Asexuality isn't a gender. Weβre just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.
To be fair, it calls then categories, not genders
Whatever, just wash your hands.
And don't talk to me. I'd rather be surrounded by twelve "women" (i.e. trans men) in the men's room (or even just women) than one cis guy who insists on having a conversation with me.
I'm not there to make friends.
Never understood this. Standing at a urinal and someone walks up and starts talking to me, like no dude shut up
I've had people doing it when I'm in the stall next to them. Leave me alone with my thoughts while I'm shitting, please.
But where else am I going to get the winning lotto numbers?
Have you considered your local tarot card reader?
How do you know they're not in the toilet stall next to yours?
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"
If there already exists "a binary" then that says there are 2 states. "Non-binary" only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren't only exactly 2 of them.
βNon-binaryβ only means there are not-two-states.
The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.
Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.
But can a two-state solution really work?
Going to the UN to propose my Quantum Superposition Solution to Violence in the Middle East.
I don't think anyone will agree to dropping a massive Schrodinger box over the whole region
We put a large box over the middle east and left a vial of radioactive material in there.
Now either Israel ignored it and freaked out about the box like everyone else or they immediately used it to make bombs and eradicate their neighbors out of view.
But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to "it's complicated", but how would you be in exactly two states?
You wouldn't, at least not while being observed.
So turn off the lights and anything can happen?
No, turn the light off and everything happens
I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.
A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.
Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these "sideways" arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I'm sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.
Here is your composite vote in the new system: βοΈ
The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.
I'm considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and "male and female" are mental illnesses caused by the original sin π
One world, one gender, one love π
God cloned Adam to make Eve, thus we all are the same gender. Wake up sheeple!
Ok then, noninteger.
Can I identify as NaN?
I float!
We all float down here
nonunsignedlonglong
non__u128_t
nonus for short
Nono you misunderstand. It's not "non-binary".
I'm calling myself enby, which is short for ein bisschen gay.
Reminds me of the: everything is either a duck or not a duck
You'd think so, and yet...
Platypussoe ruin SO many assumptions, such as
mammals don't lay eggs
mammals aren't venomous
mammals don't have beaks/bills
beavers can't interbreed with ducks
a deity created the world and deities don't get drunk
Clearly all of those assumptions are wrong!
Black and white thinking got me here, sure it'll get me out, too
That's what I mean by ruining assumptions: proving them to be wrong lol
that platypus look, hmm
One day aliens are going to meet us and wonder what happened in our evolution that made us biased towards seeing every noun in groups of two, except for rules of nouns which are in groups of three.
3 laws of motion, thermo, robotics, of dielect, and Trinity assignment.
Something strange about us that it is easier to think of opposites but following 3 rules.
plant-animal
I identify as a mushroom
Most of these groups are simply "A" and "Everything not A". Either a number is odd or it is even. Either a place is lit up or it is dark.
That being said there are also some cases in there where there is more than just two categories (like male-female or plant-animal) but we, for the most part, only think about the most important / biggest ones.
All of this probably comes down to the fact that in order to make sense of the world or brain constantly tries to put things into categories to quickly assess what something is or isn't. And it makes sense that the easiest way to categorize things is by just going "Is this A or B"?
Sure it makes a degree of sense. It is just easier to look at things that way, less cognitive load. It just didn't have to be that way. We could have liked putting categories in groups of three.
That's every binary, though. False are everything that's not true. Ones are everything that's not zero.
That's a fun thing to point out. The rules of 3 especially so, but it's also using specific examples and lacking to see the complexity of of our ability to communicate and all the other words we have.
Androgynous, tomboy, femboy / twilight, murky, dim / fungus / Ying -Yang is cheating / spirit, form, will / limbo, underworld, cosmos, time / etc...
And even in rules, in Buddhism you have the 8 fold path, the 10 commandments, heck the 613 laws of God in Judaism.
Just don't be going all "The Number 23" on us just cause it's easy to find solution confirming biases in common numbers.
Sure there are counter examples. As for Buddhism he had the three great truths: no soul, no plan, everything dies.
Genders in the Dutch language: common and neuter
Those are grammatical genders, which are a different thing.
Right
They really should be called genres or noun class as outside of Europe they really aren't tied to gender and can have way more different cases than just two or three.
We've actually got 3 genders, but outside Flanders, people don't seem to know the distinction anymore. The darn Dutch ruined Dutch!
Stupid sexy Flanders
I had no idea this was another thing Flanders did differently than the Netherlands (and pretty much every other "Netherlandophone" area)
It's really handy when you're learning German as their gender tends to be the same (het/een huis -> das Haus; de/nen hond -> der Hund; de/een kat(te) -> die Katze).
Cool.
"You Dutch sure are a contentious people"
Aaaahh, I'm not Dutch, I live more than 10 km south of them!
Genders in the Russian language: "actually, we are families"
The gender is there but I said it so fast you can't tell the difference anyway so let's just call it a short form
-russian
"We don't need articles, but we have a fuck ton of grammatical genders"
Says the same country that also fears non-binary gender identities, that's actually kinda ironic
Error: Math.round() failed - 'gender' is not a single value but a multi-dimensional spectrum! Use Math.matrixRound() instead, where each value is rounded individually. Note: Rounding 'gender' to a single value is deprecated and not supported in modern libraries.
"Troll logic" is one of my favorite memes.
Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn't.
What if you half die
Yes, but the probabilities (for the lightning) are not independent. So, while everyday there is a 50% chance to be hit be lightning, it's the same outcome every day. If you didn't get hit by lightning yesterday, you probably won't today either.
That'd effectively be a nested binary system
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
::: spoiler spoiler
asdfasfasfasfas
:::
That's so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn't aggressive. It's just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.
I think it's just the term. "Binary" isn't exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn't really care.
so what would you suggest people who do not want to be referred to as man or woman call themselves?
Blenders. Gender ephemeral. Intangibles. An even cooler fourth option, probably.
There are tons of cool names you could go with when your identity lies outside of preconceived boundaries (and pretty much transcends them). But, non-binary's pretty clinical-sounding, so I guess it's easier to work into a professional setting or something.
Enbies? Although the base of the term does come back around to the original phrase.
grogsnarl the fifth, conqueror of silesia
On the gender spectrum?
I don't know, I think this debate is silly.
Itβs easy to call a discussion silly if it doesnβt affect you personally.
I just mean this whole premise. The idea that being nonbinary is its own binary. It's a categorically different comparison. The "binaries" OP sets up are a:b versus (a+b):c, when really it should be a+b+c+d etc.
The comment you were replying to wasnβt about the image in the op though. It was a discussion about someone not liking people who do not identify as man or woman referring to themselves as non-binary.
Line 1 and line 2 are different thoughts.
rainbows?
Also have you ever considered the fact that maybe you (or other people) donβt really care about gender labels because you were assigned as the gender you prefer? It seems a bit silly to criticise a group who currently faces a lot of discrimination based on their gender preference. Also are you aware that your argument is often used to discredit the experiences of and as a reason to discriminate against people who identify as non-binary?
It seems a bit silly to criticise a group ... based on their gender preference
Like, didn't I just say that it's the vibe of the word that I don't like? Therefore either
I am not criticizing any specific people at all because I'm just talking about how we use words; OR
I am criticizing some people for their taste of words
and not what you say at all IMO
yeah, that's understandable. i'd never thought about it that way before.
personally i use enby as a way to say that i am in the middle / don't really care.
i think the issue comes from the fact that saying non-binary means specifically non-{man,woman}. whereas i've always interpreted it as just non-"specific gender".
to me it's the etc. of gender labels, but i realise that not everyone that i think it describes would want to identify with it.
(and that means it becomes it's own label, and now we have to figure out what to call everyone_else all over again. (maybe the whole idea of gender labels was rigged from the start))
.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say
They are asking you...
You are asking them...
Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?
Language has changed ... silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724
Ya and I was commenting on how I don't like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?
In addition, many were mutilated as newborns
This sounds like a horror story. What?
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
I dunno if there is much "we" inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap... There's a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.
Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don't really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend's mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked "Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?" because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.
My pronouns are infinite/recursion
Male, Female, and a Secret Third Thing
Ah, a comment to test mods' susceptibility
Neuchacho
More like Man, Woman and 60 plus different other categories even good sports in the first two categories don't tend to be bothered to learn about.
It's not that it's secret it's that if you don't ask for specifics we assume you don't care, don't know there are specifics or you really just don't want to know.
Us Enbyfolk respecting that you probably don't need to be burdened with actual specifics or interpreting that knowledge as being additional social pressure is us being polite.
actually, technically it would be a trinary system, if we're looking at it like a spectrum, and if we're looking at it like a spectrum, i think it's funnier to conceive of it like a circle. Or to get the point across, like those political alignment charts.
i think itβs funnier to conceive of it like a circle.
Unfortunately, conception is only possible when combining certain parts of that circle.
it can only make a full circle, when all parts are put together, therefore problem solved.
All they did was to add another bit. From 1 to 10
depending on how you classify it that;s certainly an option
We all live in a state of quantum flux.
You don't know whether you're male or female, unless you look into the mirror, or somebody observes you?
Edit: That checks out, actually. I forget my gender all the time that I'm not thinking about it.
Pretty basic math and semantic error here by excluding the original reason βbinaryβ meant 2 types.
But according to the joke it still does represent two types: Binary and nonbinary. Which itself is a binary set of choices, albeit a different one.
There is indeed inherent dichotomy in the post
Yeah, of course it does. In the strictest interpretation devoid of context.
When I see that kind of argument, I think of tri-state logic gates.
Those gates can be in 3 states High, Low, and Hi-Z.
If we look at non-binary people from that angle they must be in the Hi-Z state.
Fuck Aristotel
Fuck him yourself coward
If only I was a dog
I love when people say they hate Hippocrates on social media
You could've said that it's Zena's paradox
::: spoiler spoiler
asdfasfasfasfas
:::
binary: {0,1}, non-binary: [0,1]
OP: {binary, non-binary}
binary β non-binary
it's like you're damned if you do, damned if you do.
Try trinary.
At its simplest definition, this creates a ternary.
My binary system doesnβt enforce gender roles so everyone fits within it
I literally had my account on Reddit banned for saying that non-binary is discriminatory to hermaphrodites.
Actually I think you got banned for having freezer temp IQ
Pretty impressive actually to have a negative IQ.
Quite a specimen really
..but it's not? and I thought the term intersex was preferred
Probably because "hermaphrodite" is considered a slur to intersex people.
Also intersex and non-binary are not remotely the same thing. Some Intersex people are non-binary but a lot of them have binary identities. It's a different axis.
How do you figure that? Also "hermaphrodite" is not the accurate term - that would refer to an organism which creates both gametes, which humans never do, even intersex ones.
No, that's just quantum gender mechanics.
It's always hilarious and frustrating when people who don't understand a topic try to disprove it. This is the same energy as flat earthers pointing to the horizon and going "See!?!" or anti-vaxxers pointing out people who still get sick.
Anyone who thinks this logic is compelling should actually crack a book. I'd recommend Judith butlers gender trouble, but this sort of meme is peak dunning kruger. Literally too ignorant of a topic to actually argue against it.
Sir, this is a shitpost.
I think it reads like a joke made by a nonbinary person
It's always hilarious when people take jokes as if they're literal
Wow you are stupid, aren't you? It's called a joke and not a debate.
Transphobia on lemmy with 400 upvotes.. this website is getting worse every day
It's pretty obviously a dumb joke.
Even if it was completely serious, it just becomes a dumb statement. Its just showing how everything can be reworded to be presented as a binary choice like this. It doesn't actually say anything bad about people for identifying any sort of way.
For example, there are a lot of species birds, but they can all be described by the binary choices of: Is Crow, or Not Crow. Still, its very obvious to anyone with a brain that it's not the most helpful way to classify things.
How, exactly, is this transphobic?
The same way everyone is a fascist, or racist, or a bigot, or whatever else. Other people's feelings will decide what you are, and you'll like it.
I'm really curious how you see this as transphobic.
Something something hammer...
Something something nail.
i think the person represented in the op is just being a goofball and not actually transphobic
other people are trying to disprove you about the post content and maybe they are right
but you are absolutely correct about the site getting worse. i reported multiple transphobic comments under this post and elsewhere in the past day. so maybe the post isnβt transphobic but it is giving a place to spew hateful rot
There are also only two different animals: elephants and non-elephants.
Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.
This comment needs way more approval
120 is a lot.
I think you are mistaken actually the different types of animal are frogs and not frogs
There are bullfrogs and elephant bulls, so we can conclude that {πΈ}β©{π}β{π}
Hmm perhaps some kind of sliding scale is in order
I think you actually want {πΈ}βͺ{π}β{π} because βͺ is union and β© is intersection. There are no frogs that are also elephants so the set would be empty and thus couldn't contain any bulls. π
Aktshually, the empty set is a subset of any other set π€
But also, the fact that frogs and elephants are disjunct is conjecture at this point
Frogness is a spectrum
Thatβs a very frogressive thing to say.
Your both wrong there are crabs and then there are crabs π¦π¦π¦π¦
we are crab π¦
π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦ JAGEX SERVERS ARE POWERLESS AGAINST AUTH DELAY π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦π¦
Crabbbbb people craaaabbb peopleeee
Crabs and will eventually evolve into crab.
I am frog-fluid. Some days I am a frog and others I am not frog.
Doesnβt that happen just once, when tadpolemaxxing has been achieved ?
Crabs and not yet crabs.
Are these elephants in the room right now?
As a non-elephant in the room I feel overlooked
The elephants exist in a state of being in the room and not being in the room
You gotta address the elephant in the room for it to exist
You either are crabs or have crabs
Holy crab
There are elephants, non-elephants, and undetermined elephants.
This comment was made by the intuitionistic and/or fuzzy logic gang.
Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary
Good point!
And when everyone is non-binary, no one is π
That's not how that works. If there isn't a binary (because there isn't just 2 options) then this would be a non-binary system and so everyone would be non-binary.
Was looking for this comment. Thank you.
What up my hexadecimals
That's just like Hangul, but for computer numbers.
Once you're quite good at reading hexadecimals, you no longer need to look up binary, though you still need decimal-hexadecimal conversion, which is slower.
There are only 2 numbers
All the other numbers can be written wit 0/1
Counterpoint: Floating-point inaccuracies.
Floating point is a consequence of physical computerr being finite not using binary.
Counter-counter-counterpoint: pi in base-pi can be written in one digit
In that case decimal is flawed too, 0.6667 or any such approxination doesnt exactly equal 2/3. It technically happens in any number system where you are dividing by a prime that isnt part of either the base or the number being divided
Counterpoint 1:
0.6Μ(Unicode does not support numbers with overdots correctly)Counterpoint 2:
2/3It won't work with irrational numbers, or transcendental numbers even if you allow things like β2.
But honestly I have no idea what the point of this conversation even is
Counter-counterpoint:
Display the exact value of pi with 64 digits in any base N number system.
All numbers can be written with |
1 is the loneliest
Define "all the other numbers". Do we include only natural numbers? Or all instegers? Or even rational numbers? Do we include imaginary numbers? How about complex numbers? Orbetter go for quaternions?
If its a number and it isn't exactly 0 or 1.
You still haven't defined number part
The two genders: Binary and Non-binary.
There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play ...and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals...
...so non-binary doesn't necessarily make a new binary if they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.
A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences/behaviour.
...queer.
Asexuality isn't a gender. Weβre just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.
To be fair, it calls then categories, not genders
Whatever, just wash your hands.
And don't talk to me. I'd rather be surrounded by twelve "women" (i.e. trans men) in the men's room (or even just women) than one cis guy who insists on having a conversation with me.
I'm not there to make friends.
Never understood this. Standing at a urinal and someone walks up and starts talking to me, like no dude shut up
I've had people doing it when I'm in the stall next to them. Leave me alone with my thoughts while I'm shitting, please.
But where else am I going to get the winning lotto numbers?
Have you considered your local tarot card reader?
How do you know they're not in the toilet stall next to yours?
What if Iβm naan binary (preferably garlic)?
when peshwari exists?
Iβm peshwari-curious.
No...Keema is the right choice
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"
If there already exists "a binary" then that says there are 2 states. "Non-binary" only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren't only exactly 2 of them.
The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.
Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.
But can a two-state solution really work?
Going to the UN to propose my Quantum Superposition Solution to Violence in the Middle East.
I don't think anyone will agree to dropping a massive Schrodinger box over the whole region
We put a large box over the middle east and left a vial of radioactive material in there.
Now either Israel ignored it and freaked out about the box like everyone else or they immediately used it to make bombs and eradicate their neighbors out of view.
Schrodinger's Palestine.
TouchΓ©! Maybe we need a UN state shoved in beside the west bank to help keep an eye on things?
Yes and no.
But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to "it's complicated", but how would you be in exactly two states?
You wouldn't, at least not while being observed.
So turn off the lights and anything can happen?
No, turn the light off and everything happens
I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.
A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.
Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these "sideways" arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I'm sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.
Here is your composite vote in the new system: βοΈ
The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.
I'm considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and "male and female" are mental illnesses caused by the original sin π
One world, one gender, one love π
God cloned Adam to make Eve, thus we all are the same gender. Wake up sheeple!
Ok then, noninteger.
Can I identify as NaN?
I float!
We all float down here
nonunsignedlonglong
non__u128_t
nonus for short
Nono you misunderstand. It's not "non-binary".
I'm calling myself enby, which is short for ein bisschen gay.
Reminds me of the: everything is either a duck or not a duck
You'd think so, and yet...
Platypussoe ruin SO many assumptions, such as
Clearly all of those assumptions are wrong!
Black and white thinking got me here, sure it'll get me out, too
That's what I mean by ruining assumptions: proving them to be wrong lol
that platypus look, hmm
One day aliens are going to meet us and wonder what happened in our evolution that made us biased towards seeing every noun in groups of two, except for rules of nouns which are in groups of three.
I need examples or I don't understand.
Male-female, darkness-light, plant-animal, ying-yang, mind-body, earth-heaven, spiritual-physical, prime-composite, even-odd
3 laws of motion, thermo, robotics, of dielect, and Trinity assignment.
Something strange about us that it is easier to think of opposites but following 3 rules.
I identify as a mushroom
Most of these groups are simply "A" and "Everything not A". Either a number is odd or it is even. Either a place is lit up or it is dark.
That being said there are also some cases in there where there is more than just two categories (like male-female or plant-animal) but we, for the most part, only think about the most important / biggest ones.
All of this probably comes down to the fact that in order to make sense of the world or brain constantly tries to put things into categories to quickly assess what something is or isn't. And it makes sense that the easiest way to categorize things is by just going "Is this A or B"?
Sure it makes a degree of sense. It is just easier to look at things that way, less cognitive load. It just didn't have to be that way. We could have liked putting categories in groups of three.
That's every binary, though. False are everything that's not true. Ones are everything that's not zero.
That's a fun thing to point out. The rules of 3 especially so, but it's also using specific examples and lacking to see the complexity of of our ability to communicate and all the other words we have.
Androgynous, tomboy, femboy / twilight, murky, dim / fungus / Ying -Yang is cheating / spirit, form, will / limbo, underworld, cosmos, time / etc...
And even in rules, in Buddhism you have the 8 fold path, the 10 commandments, heck the 613 laws of God in Judaism.
Just don't be going all "The Number 23" on us just cause it's easy to find solution confirming biases in common numbers.
Sure there are counter examples. As for Buddhism he had the three great truths: no soul, no plan, everything dies.
Genders in the Dutch language: common and neuter
Those are grammatical genders, which are a different thing.
Right
They really should be called genres or noun class as outside of Europe they really aren't tied to gender and can have way more different cases than just two or three.
We've actually got 3 genders, but outside Flanders, people don't seem to know the distinction anymore. The darn Dutch ruined Dutch!
Stupid sexy Flanders
I had no idea this was another thing Flanders did differently than the Netherlands (and pretty much every other "Netherlandophone" area)
It's really handy when you're learning German as their gender tends to be the same (het/een huis -> das Haus; de/nen hond -> der Hund; de/een kat(te) -> die Katze).
Cool.
"You Dutch sure are a contentious people"
Aaaahh, I'm not Dutch, I live more than 10 km south of them!
Genders in the Russian language: "actually, we are families"
The gender is there but I said it so fast you can't tell the difference anyway so let's just call it a short form
-russian
"We don't need articles, but we have a fuck ton of grammatical genders"
Says the same country that also fears non-binary gender identities, that's actually kinda ironic
Math.round(gender);
Error: Math.round() failed - 'gender' is not a single value but a multi-dimensional spectrum! Use Math.matrixRound() instead, where each value is rounded individually. Note: Rounding 'gender' to a single value is deprecated and not supported in modern libraries."Troll logic" is one of my favorite memes.
Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn't.
What if you half die
Yes, but the probabilities (for the lightning) are not independent. So, while everyday there is a 50% chance to be hit be lightning, it's the same outcome every day. If you didn't get hit by lightning yesterday, you probably won't today either.
That'd effectively be a nested binary system
I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
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That's so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn't aggressive. It's just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.
I think it's just the term. "Binary" isn't exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn't really care.
so what would you suggest people who do not want to be referred to as man or woman call themselves?
Blenders. Gender ephemeral. Intangibles. An even cooler fourth option, probably.
There are tons of cool names you could go with when your identity lies outside of preconceived boundaries (and pretty much transcends them). But, non-binary's pretty clinical-sounding, so I guess it's easier to work into a professional setting or something.
Enbies? Although the base of the term does come back around to the original phrase.
grogsnarl the fifth, conqueror of silesia
On the gender spectrum?
I don't know, I think this debate is silly.
Itβs easy to call a discussion silly if it doesnβt affect you personally.
I just mean this whole premise. The idea that being nonbinary is its own binary. It's a categorically different comparison. The "binaries" OP sets up are a:b versus (a+b):c, when really it should be a+b+c+d etc.
The comment you were replying to wasnβt about the image in the op though. It was a discussion about someone not liking people who do not identify as man or woman referring to themselves as non-binary.
Line 1 and line 2 are different thoughts.
rainbows?
Also have you ever considered the fact that maybe you (or other people) donβt really care about gender labels because you were assigned as the gender you prefer? It seems a bit silly to criticise a group who currently faces a lot of discrimination based on their gender preference. Also are you aware that your argument is often used to discredit the experiences of and as a reason to discriminate against people who identify as non-binary?
Like, didn't I just say that it's the vibe of the word that I don't like? Therefore either
and not what you say at all IMO
yeah, that's understandable. i'd never thought about it that way before.
personally i use enby as a way to say that i am in the middle / don't really care.
i think the issue comes from the fact that saying non-binary means specifically non-{man,woman}. whereas i've always interpreted it as just non-"specific gender".
to me it's the etc. of gender labels, but i realise that not everyone that i think it describes would want to identify with it.
(and that means it becomes it's own label, and now we have to figure out what to call
everyone_elseall over again. (maybe the whole idea of gender labels was rigged from the start)).
I'm not sure what you are trying to say
Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?
Ya and I was commenting on how I don't like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?
This sounds like a horror story. What?
I dunno if there is much "we" inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap... There's a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.
Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don't really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend's mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked "Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?" because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.
My pronouns are infinite/recursion
Male, Female, and a Secret Third Thing
Ah, a comment to test mods' susceptibility
Neuchacho
More like Man, Woman and 60 plus different other categories even good sports in the first two categories don't tend to be bothered to learn about.
It's not that it's secret it's that if you don't ask for specifics we assume you don't care, don't know there are specifics or you really just don't want to know.
Us Enbyfolk respecting that you probably don't need to be burdened with actual specifics or interpreting that knowledge as being additional social pressure is us being polite.
actually, technically it would be a trinary system, if we're looking at it like a spectrum, and if we're looking at it like a spectrum, i think it's funnier to conceive of it like a circle. Or to get the point across, like those political alignment charts.
Unfortunately, conception is only possible when combining certain parts of that circle.
it can only make a full circle, when all parts are put together, therefore problem solved.
All they did was to add another bit. From 1 to 10
depending on how you classify it that;s certainly an option
We all live in a state of quantum flux.
You don't know whether you're male or female, unless you look into the mirror, or somebody observes you?
Edit: That checks out, actually. I forget my gender all the time that I'm not thinking about it.
Pretty basic math and semantic error here by excluding the original reason βbinaryβ meant 2 types.
But according to the joke it still does represent two types: Binary and nonbinary. Which itself is a binary set of choices, albeit a different one.
There is indeed inherent dichotomy in the post
Yeah, of course it does. In the strictest interpretation devoid of context.
When I see that kind of argument, I think of tri-state logic gates.
Those gates can be in 3 states High, Low, and Hi-Z.
If we look at non-binary people from that angle they must be in the Hi-Z state.
Fuck Aristotel
Fuck him yourself coward
If only I was a dog
I love when people say they hate Hippocrates on social media
You could've said that it's Zena's paradox
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binary: {0,1}, non-binary: [0,1]
OP: {binary, non-binary}
binary β non-binary
it's like you're damned if you do, damned if you do.
Try trinary.
At its simplest definition, this creates a ternary.
My binary system doesnβt enforce gender roles so everyone fits within it
I literally had my account on Reddit banned for saying that non-binary is discriminatory to hermaphrodites.
Actually I think you got banned for having freezer temp IQ
Pretty impressive actually to have a negative IQ.
Quite a specimen really
..but it's not? and I thought the term intersex was preferred
Probably because "hermaphrodite" is considered a slur to intersex people.
Also intersex and non-binary are not remotely the same thing. Some Intersex people are non-binary but a lot of them have binary identities. It's a different axis.
How do you figure that? Also "hermaphrodite" is not the accurate term - that would refer to an organism which creates both gametes, which humans never do, even intersex ones.
No, that's just quantum gender mechanics.
It's always hilarious and frustrating when people who don't understand a topic try to disprove it. This is the same energy as flat earthers pointing to the horizon and going "See!?!" or anti-vaxxers pointing out people who still get sick.
Anyone who thinks this logic is compelling should actually crack a book. I'd recommend Judith butlers gender trouble, but this sort of meme is peak dunning kruger. Literally too ignorant of a topic to actually argue against it.
Sir, this is a shitpost.
I think it reads like a joke made by a nonbinary person
It's always hilarious when people take jokes as if they're literal
Wow you are stupid, aren't you? It's called a joke and not a debate.
Transphobia on lemmy with 400 upvotes.. this website is getting worse every day
It's pretty obviously a dumb joke.
Even if it was completely serious, it just becomes a dumb statement. Its just showing how everything can be reworded to be presented as a binary choice like this. It doesn't actually say anything bad about people for identifying any sort of way.
For example, there are a lot of species birds, but they can all be described by the binary choices of: Is Crow, or Not Crow. Still, its very obvious to anyone with a brain that it's not the most helpful way to classify things.
How, exactly, is this transphobic?
The same way everyone is a fascist, or racist, or a bigot, or whatever else. Other people's feelings will decide what you are, and you'll like it.
I'm really curious how you see this as transphobic.
Something something hammer...
Something something nail.
i think the person represented in the op is just being a goofball and not actually transphobic
other people are trying to disprove you about the post content and maybe they are right
but you are absolutely correct about the site getting worse. i reported multiple transphobic comments under this post and elsewhere in the past day. so maybe the post isnβt transphobic but it is giving a place to spew hateful rot