Nuclear Demonology

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world to Lemmy Shitpost@lemmy.world – 919 points –
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Dude went to see Barbie a second time to seethe about feminism. Entirely missed Openheimer. "Too long, too sciency."

Demon cores aren't literal.

WHAT THE FUCK

It's making me smile know what just happened to you after reading that comment and wondering what a demon core could possibly be.

In case anyone wants the answer, it's late December 1938, when two physicists went for a walk in the snow near Stockholm to discuss findings a colleague sent via letter.

Further reading: Lise Meitner – the forgotten woman of nuclear physics who deserved a Nobel Prize

Given Tucker's views on women, I don't see a discrepancy

Eh, I don't even want to give credence to Carlson's garbage by repeating it. But even if we imagine Otto Frisch was somehow there alone making drawings in the snow, we still know when it happened.

Of course we shouldn't do that. Meitner was by far the more experienced scientist and expert on the topic.

They are just saying that any of the scientists could/would become the "demon" arguing against is just a lesson of futility

Womb demons tricked her into discovering neutron radiation

Been a lot of "demon" talk from him lately. Tucker's literally turning into Alex Jones before our very eyes.

I have never met a person who can isolate the moment when Tucker Carlson became Alex Jones. So, where did it come from exactly? ...it's very clear to me both are demons.

There is no known point in time where Tucker Carlson and Bill Hicks were in the same room. Do your own math.

Courting the same demographic

I guess they kicked him off Fox. A heir has to eat, may as well grift the elderly.

Reportedly he has a very worth of $50M. If that was just in investments getting 4 percent a year, that would be $2M annually for doing nothing. Kind of gross to stoop to that level for money when you have so much.

thankfully tucker has never been kind of gross

"I have never met a person who can..."

Who the hell are Becquerel or the Curies!?

This is a technique of theirs "I've never met _____, therefore ____."

Everybody knows Marie Curie was a woman and woman's contributions to science just don't exist or even register. Women scientists are literally the devil. /s

Marie Curie didn't discover fission; that was Lise Meitner and her nephew Otto Frisch and colleague Otto Hahn. But yeah, same problem. Meitner was left out of the publications and overlooked for a Nobel Prize.

well if women scientists are the devil then nuclear science WAS developed by a demon. checkmate atheists ^/s^

Can’t tell if real or satire

My default now is to assume it's real. Haven't been wrong lately.

How most dumb people reason.

I have no personal experience of this thing, so it must mean it's not real.

If i dont know, nobody knows.

This is just something that I will never be able to comprehend... How can someone be so completely incurious?

He knows better. It's an act to make money. It's all about the real god, Money.

Yeah, in this case, sure. But I guess I was talking about more in general. These people are out there. I would wager that there are millions of them in the US. At least.

Yeah. Some of them are dumb. But all of them have been fed decades of bullshit "news" and are indoctrinated.

For sure... But it seems like a whole different level of indoctrination than just like "being a Christian" or whatever.

Like, you have to be OK with ignoring objective reality. It's just something I have trouble grasping.

God money's not looking for the cureΒ 
God money's not concerned about the sick among the pure

Yeah, the real question about him: Does he accept his payoff in rubles, or is he the kind of two-faced mercenary who demands dollars? (I know my guess.)

Academics : exists

This fucking guy : "no one in the entire world knows when nuclear power was first theorized, and then confirmed by several experiments"

How most dumb people reason.

I have no personal experience of this thing, so it must mean it’s not real.

If i dont know, nobody knows.

you are now banned from Atheist Memes.

People aren't atheist because they have no personal experience proving the existence of a god.

Atheism isn't a belief system.

The lack of evidence for a god is why atheists exist.

Personal experience and evidence are two different things.

Atheism is a belief system. It is the belief that there is no deity.

The scientific approach is agnosticism. In the absence of evidence, or what one considers evidence, the scientific answer is "i don't know".

Personal experience and evidence are two different things.

And a lot of what we consider to be scientifically proven, are theories, which are subject to constant change. The best example probably being atomic models and how rapidly they developed in the early 20th century. However that Bohrs atom model of circular movement of electrons around the atoms core was succeeded by more detailed models and the circles being disproved, doesn't mean Bohr was any less of a scientist or evidence based researcher.

Meanwhile except for very few physics experts we all just accept that orbitals are the best approximation we have right now, because we read it in some book.

Atheism is the lack of belief in a deity. It's not a belief that one doesn't exist.

There's a distinction there. You can look that up. You will find you are mistaken.

P.s.i find your willingness to trivalise scientific research and discovery as "some book" intollerable.

In the context of my original point, the difference between a scientific theory and some political monstrosity not believing something because they have no personal experience of the subject is incredibly large.

Don't try to legitimise that clown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism, in the broadest sense, is an absence of belief in the existence of deities. Less broadly, atheism is a rejection of the belief that any deities exist. In an even narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism

Agnosticism is the view or belief that the existence of God, the divine, or the supernatural is either unknowable in principle or unknown in fact. It can also mean an apathy towards such religious belief and refer to personal limitations rather than a worldview. Another definition is the view that "human reason is incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist."

Aside from that, whether you accept and believe scientific discoveries remains a subjective choice. In social sciences like history or economics it often happens that two contradictory views are equally legitimate. And again the look in the past is valuable. Many scientists were ridiculed, sometimes even persecuted for their ideas to be outside the consensus of their time.

Assuming that what you consider the accepted truth because it is the accepted opinion of our day and age could proof equally fallible like the ancient Greeks and Romans ridiculing the now accepted germ theory, for which we have ample evidence thanks to the development of microscopes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germ_theory_of_disease#Greece_and_Rome

So your original ridicule is perfectly viable. It just not only applies to the statements of Tucker Carlson, who i probably despise equally as you do.

I have loved ones that I very much care for that I have to do these mental dances with. Certain groups or cultures of people may have a bias towards only looking at scientific evidence that promotes their hypothesis, well established institutions can sometimes be "stuck in a rut" but I would include people like graham hancock in that group. Science is a beautiful thing though, new data and experiments doesn't care what your belief structure is. Your germ theory is a beautiful example where thought was put into a hypothesis and was slowly formed over time with new evidence. Religious and spiritual aspects do not require this with belief. What was the last study done by a religious scholar that a deity exists? What was the last religious text that was changed due to discoveries or experiments that were done?

It's important to realize that scientific study is a rigorous system and not everyone follows it to the best of their ability. Slamming a label on like "whether you accept and believe scientific discoveries remains a subjective choice" is not a valid statement.

The basic difference between objective and subjective information is that objective information is based on facts, while subjective information, or a subjective perspective, is based on opinion, emotion, or feelings.

The very fact that you're using subjective choice to look at scientific data means you're not actually following the scientific method (explains how something goes from hypothesis-theory-law). It's ok to have a hypothesis that's different from mainstream, it's not ok to declare being subjugated because you aren't following the method to show your data and claiming it must be a law.

If you're going to dance around the science/spiritual circles you need to have proper respect for both parties when communicating directly (if you want everyone to understand what you're talking about). One example is "Energy", means two very different things when talking to an electrical engineer or a new age "star child". The distinction needs to be made for sound scientific communication that doesn't impede someones belief.

I highly suggest checking out "The Hidden Story That Defines Our Modern Era" from Like Stories of Old. This is a prime example of how you can bind modern communication and stepping into the religious/belief structures of our history while maintaining respect for everyone.

Richard Dawkins argued that agnostic is a meaningless term. He said that anyone who is given irrefutable proof of the existence of something and still refuses to believe is a fool and that non-theist is the better term for people that don’t buy into the whole god thing.

Of course not. That would require him acknowledging women in science. That would be Marie Curie.

Maybe he is insinuating that women are demons

He nay be insinuating that jews are demons. Many of the most famous early nuclear scientists were jewish.

I’m not defending Tucker here but no it was not Marie Curie.

Well you have the guy who found uranium, the guy who ran electricity through a vacuum, the guy who found pitchblende, and then Marie Curie who did the experiments with refined pitchblende to create X-ray machines.

If you want to talk specifically about nuclear energy and weapons then you're probably looking for Rutherford. But he wouldn't even be conducting those experiments without Curie, RΓΆntgen, and Becquerel.

Either Rutherford or Fermi are who you’d probably credit for that given moment.

The thing is X-rays are absolutely nuclear science too.

Are they though? X-rays are emitted by electrons, not nuclei. They’re like, nuclear technology-adjacent. But if you had to pick just one moment in time, that moment is not x-ray technology

The real question is: and????
So we're harvesting demonic forces to power our shit?
That's fuckin' metal duuuuude. If you're trying to make nuclear sound bad you failed.

He's an psychopathic idiot who laughs like a maniac on speed. I'm pretty sure his idea of research is "I spent 15 minutes not understanding the wiki."

He's talking to evangelicals who react when you use the word "demonic" about anything. They hold great political sway, and they have proven that they will go against their own moral interests to nurture their political interests.

Case in point, watch them get in line to vote for Trump today, despite him being the antithesis of evangelical behavior and values.

Ah yes, the ol’ β€œif I don’t know something, then it MUST be X” argument.

Substitute X for whatever ya like! Demons, ghouls, demon ghouls…the possibilities are endless!

Dude my brother-in-law.

Fuckin' aliens built everything! Baghdad Batteries? Aliens. Pool of mercury in a pyramid? Alien Power Cell that we don't understand yet.

I've got the impression that Tucker Carlson is going after Alex Jones his audience. Tucker Carlson peddling crazy conspiracy theories right when the chickens are coming home to roost for Alex Jones, imo that's no coincidence. Tucker never was stupid, he just has no morals, so he never had a problem with publicly stating stuff that he personally didn't believe in. Grifters gonna grift.

That's my initial thought as well. The weird thing though is he's already rich, he could bugger off into obscurity and live a life of luxury, but it seems like he just craves attention.

Wondering if he got syphilis, or some other degenerative brain disease? Almost feel sorry for him

Looking at the content of the message and the name of the source, I thought this had to be satire. But the site seems to be an actual news site, and other news sites corroborate the story. Which brings me to the question I wanted to ask:

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Am i trippin or did u just type a fkn exclamation question mark😭😭😭

Only found out yesterday that most phone keyboards have it by default, and I'm making the most of it.

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Oh yeah, on Android hold down the ? button, it's right there.

Lol rip my keyboard (fossify keyboard) doesnt seem to have it so im leaving it in the paste bar for now xD

WHEN THE FUCK DID WE LEARN HOW TO MAKE GUNS TUCKER, HUH??? I WOULD LIKE YOU HEAR YOU ANSWER THIS QUESTION, WAS IT LITERALLY FUCKING GOD WHO CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND WENT "hey guys check out this sick thing i just did" PLEASE TUCKER, PLEASE TELL ME.

It's well documented that Tucker doesn't believe the things he says. He's just saying things for money.

Okay, but this is either just fundamentally really stupid or some demented Cultural Bolshevism nonsense after he watched Oppenheimer and realized America wouldn't have nukes without Jewish and socialist brains.

It's like toothpaste, how does it work? When was it invented? Clearly demons at play!

My son when he was 6 probably.

Can you please wake me when the post fact and post science period of humanity is over?

I didn't think this was real. Then realized it's Tucker Carlson, and he had talked about the bed demons clawing him. Realized it was, indeed, a real quote. The tech tree is getting fuckin' WILD this patch.

Oppenheimer, Einstein, Bohr. What is this guy smoking? Wait, wasn't this guy a news anchor not too long ago? Can people this stupid and uneducated really make it as a news anchor!?

I thought he was always on Fox. Which is merely a very stupid, malicious child pretending to be a news channel.

Settle down child, and let me tell you the tale of Ron Burgundy...

Here's a hint on what Tucker is getting at, all three scientists you listed were Jewish...

Leave it to religions to get insanely mad about characters and beliefs they made up. It's such a dumb fucking thing. Then blame everything on "demons". Big talk for someone coming from the one country that literally committed warcrimes with nuclear technology.

Bombing the snot out of civilians was sorta de rigueur in WWII. If you want to get on your high horse, the Tokyo fire bombings were far, far worse. That sort of thing doesn't go well for people in bamboo and paper houses.

And then you had the Imperial Army, who was so over the top even Nazis were like, "Maybe tone it down a bit?" So maybe chill on American "war crimes", unless you have the stomach to read about Japan's actions.

Funny thing about bombing civilians in the European Theatre, it was all a bit of a mistake. A German mission was a tad lost and bombed London. So Churchill said, "Oh yeah? Well fuck you too!"

I'm of the opinion everybody was shit in that war and it's important for countries to recognize the shit they're responsible for. Germany should be an example of what to do when your country literally commits genocide.

No you don't understand, America is The Great Satan and anything they've done is wrong and their citizens deserve it.

Pakleds: "Tucker Carlson is smart. He makes the news go."

I cant isolate the moment anything happened since i was born. Does that mean reality isnt real?

No, you aren't born. Only your mother would say she was there, but hey, moms always tell lies to save their children.

Magnets, how do they work?

Alien sex technology refined by bear gods of forgotten religions obviously

give me some of that alien sex technology

Richard Rhodes' The Making of the Atomic Bomb is a great book that kind of explains all that in detail...

but i would say it is either the Curie's experiments, discovering the neutron, splitting the atom, Fermi's reactor, or the tests during the Manhattan project; all really well documented.

I feel like I've been waiting to come down from my high since the first time I tried pot...

Like fuck this is a long high, I know when it wears off it'll have only been like three seconds and I"ll be back in 2008 ready to go see Dragonforce at the House of Blues...... but fuck

I genuinely feel the same. I keep telling myself that's just growing up and seeing the world more clearly with time, but it really feels like one big stupid drug-induced dream and I'm going to finally wake up from it eventually, cause the real world can't be that dumb and insane.

I feel the same, except it is actually true because I have not allowed myself to not be high for the last 8+ years.

I just sighed so hard I put my back out.

Just because you don't know something doesn't mean it is untrue.

See also, "this is new to me therefore I have discovered it"

This is like reverse appropriation and is just as bad.

I think that maybe losing his job at fox news phased him more than he let on

He expected to be his own brand, like Musk or Trump or Limbaugh. When he realized he was still just another faceless interchangeable mouthpiece, that definitely fucked his ego.

Tucker is the consummate media insider and comes right out of the rich elite. He has not gone crazy - he is just cornering a niche of crazies, to whom he will sell vitamins and demon repellent.

β€œEveryone I know is an idiot, therefore I must also act like an idiot.”

Really don't care what this clown has to say after he publicly fellated Putin for 2 hours on live television.

Basically he is saying that his bro Putin is threatening the west with demonic weapons

I knew he was an asshole, sure, but I didn’t realize he’d gone completely off the rails.

This dipshit used to be the most widely viewed propaganda in the nation.

So he wants to get rid of the nukes, right? Right??

It's the reason why we should stick to using fossil fuel. God left us dragon poop for a reason, we're supposed to burn the hell out of it, and the earth with it.

Tucker Carlson's dogs were responsible for nuclear technology?

Bad puppers!

I've also never met a person who can isolate the moment when electrical technology became known to man.

Clearly demonic.

Tucker should throw out all his electrical devices.

It does again show that these people are like irrational, unscientific, religious cultists. We, as in humanity, should aim to progress away from such a dark past, not regress back into one. That way lies madness.

Can't argue with the logic

Because it's beyond reasoning

In my family we have a saying "You can't argue with stupid"

How convenient it would be to believe that the immense forces of destruction we are capable of did not originate with us

I have never met a person who can isolate the moment when X became known to man.

The fuck does that even mean? The second? Is he asking for a dateand time? How many people has he asked? Could any of them look it up?

I have never met a person who canisolatw the moment when ice cream became known to man.

Edir: fixed a typo.

This isn't ancient history, it was less than 100 years ago. Links in my top level comment, but the answer is that nuclear fission as a concept emerged right around Christmas 1938.

Ice cream is far older, with early evidence of chilled dairy desserts from the Tang Dynasty ca. 618-907 CE.

And if you look back before fission, modern physics has a pretty well documented history. You can generally start at Maxwell, move forward to the guys who were trying to rectify the predicted speed of light vs observed speed of light, quantum physics, etc. I spent half a year getting real deep into it but you could probably teach the gist of pre-1945 nuclear physics in an afternoon

At first look, I thought he was holding up a bullhorn straight at the camera instead of there being an annular throbber on the screenshot

Annular throbber? Is he trying to one up Trump and the microphone?

He took the phrase Demon core too seriously

When you only converse with other morons.. they tend to not know much.

World's most clueless man

Most well paid clueless man, maybe

Yeah, would love to see him, Eric Weinstein, Terrence Howard, Eric dubay, James tour, and Billy Carlson stuck in a room that they can't leave until they can prove one of their worldviews to be plausible. Would be the most entertaining thing ever watching them argue while pretending they agree with each other bc they have to pretend they are all thinking the same thing or their whole "mainstream academia" thing falls apart.

Let me guess, this is also projection?

Tucker is a demon confirmed.

why do people pay him for such tripe? its not funny or even interesting from a standpoint of even basic elementary education

Prepping himself for his 2028 presidential run. Gotta get the "Christians" behind him