was seen dancing at a private homecoming afterparty on 30 September, behind a friend who was twerking.
she wasn’t even the one twerking
For fucks sake. I hope her family calls the ACLU.
Seems like the easiest way to get into a really good school would be to sue, whip up a media frenzy, and frame it through a feminist lens. Write an essay about overcoming adversity by standing up for what is right, no matter the cost.
BOOM easy admissions.
Yeah if the school tried to honor what the principal is doing that will be a PR nightmare for them. Honor the scholarship, admit her, do what’s right
I’d get the dance team members in on it for vaguely impugning their reputations, because when asked why nothing happened to them, the answer more or less had the implied subtext “that’s fine for them because we expect them to act like hoes, but you’re our hood ornament and should behave better.”
edit: in case anyone is unclear on my position regarding twerking
I agree. She’s literally getting punished for having fun with her friends at a dance party. And her friends should get the same restitution because they were also, having fun. God forbid this incredibly intelligent girl go on to be anything but an avenue for childbirth, or her friends don’t follow the same path
"They basically told me that I should be ashamed of myself," Timonet told a local news outlet. "That I wasn't basically following God's ideals, which made me cry even more."
The principal inserted their religion into their job at a public school.
Well that sounds like a damn easy win for a court case.
It's crazy. She lost benefits over something somebody else did. I can't make sense of it. The dogma and brining faith and religious righteousness into everything is out on hand and needs to stop
It has everything to do with it because god said so:
"They basically told me that I should be ashamed of myself," Timonet told a local news outlet. "That I wasn't basically following God's ideals, which made me cry even more." "I felt like my life was over."
Guys, it’s the same rules as any underaged closet atheist. Study your ass off, become financially independent, then twerk in front of your god fearing scholarship committee
Religion is cancer
Christianity is cancer. My religion supports your right to twerk.
R'amen
I am interested in your religion
It's Satanism.
Satanism is only necessary because religion is cancer though. Just like cancer, we need to use another thing that kills to kill it. I'm 100% in agreement with Satanism's tenants, but it's because they're just humanist ideals wrapped in the garb of religion to use religion as a tool.
All religions are tools. Saying "religion is cancer" overlooks all of the good things that people get out of religion, such as a community with shared values that helps each other. If you can have a religion without superstition and dogma, where's the harm? It's not religion that's cancer. It's superstition and dogma.
Sure, but the term religion implies superstition and dogma. It's literally part of the definition. What is religion without that? Community and tax exempt status? The former is just called community (which also implies shared values) and the latter is mostly a scam.
I'm not saying good things can't come from religion, but they don't come because they are religious. Any good they do is done regardless (or often despite) the supernatural beliefs.
Sure, but the term religion implies superstition and dogma. It's literally part of the definition.
Definitions have to comport with reality, not the other way around. Satanism is not a social club. We have holidays, we have rituals, we have ministers who conduct wedding ceremonies. We even have church services.
I want to let you know I'm not the one downvoting you. I disagree, but I'm not downvoting.
Personally, I don't think The Satanic Temple should be considered a religion. I think the term has been watered down, particularly in the US, because our laws are stupid. As long as there is an incentive to be called a religion it should be, but there shouldn't be an incentive. Why should anyone's beliefs be valued more because they're tied to (usually at least) supernatural beliefs?
TST was created as religious satire. That's the reason for the holidays, riguals, and other services. They need to conform to the appearance of a religion to work as a religion for their own purposes. That isn't to say these are bad or wrong. They're just as valid as any other religion. It's just that the belief that it's founded on is humanism, not something supernatural.
Why should anyone's beliefs be valued more because they're tied to (usually at least) supernatural beliefs?
TST agrees with you. In fact, this is almost word-for-word what it says in the FAQ under the question "If you don't believe in the supernatural, how is TST a religion?"
TST was created as religious satire. That's the reason for the holidays, riguals, and other services.
I mean if you’re going to be that pedantic about a comment that doesn’t strike me as intending to be nuanced and specific, there are versions of Christianity that are fine with twerking too
People say "religion" when they mean "Christianity". This A) isn't fair to other religions and B) helps to enforce Christian hegemony.
People also say “Christianity” when they mean “evangelicalism.”
He (the principal) said she was punished because she is the 'hood ornament' of the school."
Oh for fuck sake! This is crazy old fashioned bullshit right here.
JFC, that's not just bullshit, it's outright objectification and misogyny.
Don’t worry he quoted the Bible
the principal had referred to Bible scripture on several occasions and informed her he was 'well within his right' to enact the discipline he chose
Ah yes, I forgot that Jesus came down to earth and said “don’t enjoy yourself women, your only purpose is just to have children under our neofascist theocratic regime”
Then an old fuck like that will wonder why one day someone decided to throw a molotov at their window
Deam bro if you that mad I can give you better targets.
Like certain nestle execs or some slave trade associated fucks
Por que no los dos
One can dream...
And Jesus said: Thou shall not SHAKE YOUR RUMP-AH
And a double entendre.
"Shes not a woman, she is a literal piece of flare, FOR MY Institution REEEEE"
Excuse me, Real Life? pump the brakes.
He's literally objectifying her in his comment
Such a bad and disgusting comment that should have no place today. It goes back to making this poor girl sound like property.
Devil's advocate: it could just be poor choice of metaphors to say that she's a representative of the school, which can reasonably choose to be associated — or not — with a certain image and perception of professionalism.
No. he would have used a more appropriate metaphor, His choice of words underlines his thoughts at large.
i would never refer to anyone as a fucking hood ornament. that's dehumanizing.
His brazen attitude to speak about his thoughts and not consider them to be objectifying is scary.
He could've just said "representative of the school" instead though, could he?
I’m getting pretty sick of people saying shitty things because they’re bad at metaphors. People who are bad at metaphors should just not use metaphors.
He didn't use an inept metaphor. It was exactly the metaphor he meant: that women are objects, property to be exploited by his administration.
This person is the authority who is taking her potential scholarships because of dancing. Your take actually makes it worse. She is just a thing to him and not a young girl doing a popular dance that women do. It's probably even worse in his mind because it's a dance popularized by black people from the city.
This would only make sense if it was explicitly explained and forbidden to her beforehand.
And since there’s no way any school who cares about their reputation would do that, no, that’s not reasonable. You can’t hold me to a standard I didn’t agree with.
My. God. The pearl clutching and oppression of the female body these days. We may as well go back to corsets and chastity belts.
I’m not going to encourage a HSer to twerk, but c’mon! You’re going to punish her for having fun at an unrelated and offsite event? Get real.
She wasn't even the one twerking... she just happened to be near someone twerking... how dare she?
Just when you thought this story couldn’t get and fucking dumber.
Im weak on Louisiana geography and map knowledge,
How far was this from the place where tbe tourism is/was based on women baring their breasts?
Username check out
Low effort post, fails to see point of post they are replying too.
Go back to reddit.
Fascinating, Ive never seen an account self analyze their own comments before.
Ive never seen anyone with such horrible reading comprehension as yourself.
Did someone have to bribe your primary teachers to get you past the 3rd grade?
Weak zing, hardly anything to do with my comment, limp attempt at insults, 3/10.
You wanna try again? Ill give you a mulligan.
Hey Mulligan Man!
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It's a play on words for "Hey Culligan Man!" which was an advertisement that played repeatedly throughout the 90's in the US, for reference: https://youtu.be/LwwT92Gmp0w
She’s not allowed to dance offsite at a private party but if you go to the school’s YouTube channel there are a couple cringy music videos of all the staff dancing (including the principal) on school property during working hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qjnPeUOMjo
And why was he even watching these videos in the first place. They would have just been fun videos the friends made to share with each other outside of school. This was just about him being turned on by watching an under age girl dancing and then punishing the girl for his feelings.
in Kate Manne's "Down Girl," about misogyny she wrote: "They put women in their place when they seem to have 'ideas beyond their station.'"
"Misogynist hostility encompasses myriad 'down girl' moves . . . to generalize: adults are insultingly likened to children, people to animals or even to objects. As well as infantilizing and belittling, there's ridiculing, humiliating, mocking, slurring, vilifying, demonizing sexualizing or, alternatively desexualizing.... and other forms that are dismissive and disparaging in specific social contexts."
Emphasis mine to point out the most relevant portions in this case.
It's a solid read on misogyny that I definitely recommend to anyone.
Next they're gonna find out she kissed a boy and expel her.
Or they'll find out she kissed a girl and send her to "conversion therapy."
What are you talking about? She has already graduated, so how is the school going to expel her? I believe that ship has already sailed
You're right. Why you have to ruin my joke? Why couldn't you just let me be happy?
That was a joke? I thought you were taking a jab at that school
So what you can't shake your ass if you are smart? Thats bullshit. You should be able to strip AND get your masters degree. You should be able to take bikini pics and post your published research papers. What does it matter? Our species is marked by their brown noses.
You should be able to have an only fans and also arrest people!
But for real, you should. I know what you're referencing, and I see no reason why you can't have a side job in an unrelated field as a cop.
I'll say the same thing I said in that thread- I have more respect for her as an OnlyFans star than I do for her as a cop and if shooting innocent black people doesn't disqualify you from being a cop, then being on OnlyFans sure shouldn't.
Funny thing is a lot of sex workers near uni towns will actually be grad students working to pay tuition costs, and not like "doctorate in underwater basket weaving" like the right likes to try and demonize all degree paths but work degrees as, I've seen MBAs and Law School students doing this too.
And shit its not a bad idea. If you can pull a lot of money each night you might graduate debt free. Which, in modern times, frees you of the noose of school loan repayments. I would much rather strip than have to pay these back right now on my inflexible career salary. Now, the abuse that comes with it is not okay. But that goes along with the demonizing of these profesions.
I mean there are safe routes, Tryst looks to be run by a cooperative of tech and sex workers, or at least started as something like that with the intention of making sex work as safe as possible.
Not the person you responded to, but I'm going to look into this. Thanks
The mother said in response to the principal's apology,
“It’s too little, too late. I even told him on the phone conversation when he made it to us at noon today asking us to come into the office and he mentioned reinstating the scholarship, I let him know that the scholarship deadline was done, and the damage that he’s done to her is done. I also told him I gave them the opportunity when I came in there at 7 o’ clock the next morning, to try and rectify the situation at that point. Now, with somebody holding his hand forcing him to do something, an apology being enforced it’s too late,” said Rachel Timonet
Fuck the school system! It's never been about educating children. It's only about conditioning children to blindly accept what they're told by authority.
From my experience, if people are not assholes, there is always a way. I've been accepted to a school when I missed the deadline by two weeks regardless.
Unless the school system in the USA is strict and non-negotiable.
Wow, when you watch the video is even more benign than this thread headline. It's just plain dancing, nothing remotely scandalous.
Sounds like some religious bullshit.
"That I wasn't basically following God's ideals, [...]"
Yep...
I bet you if a male student raped someone he wouldn't withdraw the scholarship. It's because she's a woman. Well, not even a woman she's just a girl.
Yeah these people are Christian, that distinction doesn't matter.
Religion needs to be eradicated
By the will of the Emperor! Hail the Omnissiah!
Well when you apply for religious scholarships you should kind of expect this.
Jesus was friends with a prostitute. I'm sure he would be ok with some twerking.
The problem is religious nuts who take everything to the extreme .
Jesus would not condone modern day Christianity but that is not the point. Everyone knows what modern Christianity is about, and prudishness is definitely part of their ideal. If this girl applied for a Christian scholarship, she had to have known at least that much about the religion.
But a good lesson to learn from this story is stop posting anything on social media. Just live your life. If you wanna twerk, do it. No need to show the whole world.
She was in the background of the video, dancing while a different girl in the foreground was twerking. Did you even read the article? So just never go outside and dance ever because someone might record you dancing near someone else twerking and post it? Wtf kind of victim blaming is this? It doesn't say she applied for a christian scholarship either.
Well maybe his friend was a classy prostitute.
Twerking’s demeaningly ridiculous. Like stripper, yeah, respectable. Stripping’s sexy, it’s alluring. Twerking’s just a somewhat athletically impressive display of how fast can you can convulse your pelvis.
Describing twerking as “sexy” is like someone doing a motorboat on your dick while you wag it bippidy-bippidy up and down across their lips, then trying to sell that as a passionate seduction scene in a romance novel.
I didn't see anything in the article about her applying to a religious scholarship. Source?
That principal needs his hard drive forensically checked by the police.
It was probably a scholarship for people with lower spinal paralysis. She was all set to collect the money but then she got roped into one of J-Roc’s grease videos.
Nope, after reading the article, it seems she was a student destined to be used for PR by the school and probably also for sucking up to donors. No humanity allowed, twerking is of the devil and such stuff.
Lol, the school was prepared to whore her out, but drew the line at dancing in a video.
Disciplinary action taken by Principal Jason St. Pierre this week at Walker High School has brought national attention to Livingston Parish.
St. Pierre removed Kaylee Timonet from the Student Government Association (SGA) due to a video which was posted on social media showing her 'twerking' at an off-campus dance, which occurred after homecoming of this year.
The video, which was posted by DJ Savage who worked the event, showed Timonet and friends dancing to a song he was playing. The venue was later identified as Denham Springs Country Club.
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Timonet's removal from SGA also put two SGA-sponsored scholarships unattainable for the 4.0+ student, who is also President of Walker High's Beta Club. In an interview with Unfiltered with Kiran (UWK), Timonet expressed just how badly she felt after St. Pierre levied his punishment.
"I felt like my life was over," Timonet told UWK. "Everything I worked for since I was little, always worked really hard at school.
"Being student of the year, at least having a chance at it, has always been my main goal. I’m starting college this January. I’m done in December so it was a shock."
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Timonet's mother, Rachel, was also in shock over the principal's actions. She said that in a meeting with St. Pierre, she was told that the principal had referred to Bible scripture on several occasions and informed her he was 'well within his right' to enact the discipline he chose.
Local social media pages, groups, and residents took swiftly to the internet to express their displeasure. A Walker High student created a specific logo to represent the call that rose up from the community - 'Let the girl dance.' Many wanted Timonet reinstated, at a minimum, to SGA... others wanted St. Pierre to resign.
The story reached national media by Friday evening, including the NY Post and Yahoo News.
The school board Friday alerted local media that they have launched an investigation into the discipline, specifically St. Pierre's handling of the meeting with Timonet and later, her mother.
Walker High School provided the News with a form which is signed by all SGA members. The form states that 'failure to follow any of the aforementioned requirements, will result in immediate dismissal from Walker High SGA. Any action deemed inappropriate by Mr. St. Pierre will also result in removal.'
The form, however, does not mention anything about off-campus events, referring rules to school-based attendance. It is also vague on it's references to 'representing Walker High' and where that representation begins and ends.
Louisiana is fucked. Can these conservative fucking demons finally all move to one place and start their conservative nation like they always dream out loud about and leave the rest of us the fuck alone already?
I think we should set aside some special land, reserved just for them.
See that’s been tried, Abrahamic faiths are inherently expansionist. The only way to get rid of them is eradication of the faith, but we’ve all agreed genocide is a no go.
They've done that multiple times boss most notably the southern flight to South America post civil war and again to colonial Africa.
Yes, but I want ALL of them to go, and definitely not just because it would become the greatest place of all time to drop a fucking nuke.
Now, now. Don’t be so hasty with killing all those people by nuke… just use strategic missiles with large yield. There are places we’d probably like to use again.
Fair point, and I hope it's an uninhabited island, I would want any decent people caught in the crossfire.
Or we could maybe, just maybe, not call for murdering people at all. That's a fun concept.
No.
why would you need to kill them if they are already isolated
For the same reason you exterminate any pest? Just like cockroaches, they need to be kept from multiplying and spreading. Don't bother looking for cracks here, I have spent 30 years hating these people with every fiber, my mind is concrete on the matter.
You're a bit fucking crazy lol.
That's fine, these people believe that a magic man in the sky has given them eternal life and the rights to women as property and that if you give billions of dollars to already rich people it will magically trickle down to the poor people, it's just crazy v crazy.
It's a bit weird to want to kill people over generalizations you are making up in your head
Ha ha, go jump off a cliff scumbag.
lol
If they tried that you wouldn't allow that
Compared to Afghanistan where girls can't get an education, I bet these Christians consider themselves very tolerant and progressive.
Religion excels at making idiots into massive idiots, and empower them too.
Wait until they find out their religion is just bullshit
You can't find out that something is bullshit when you refuse to believe anything you're told that doesn't align it it not bing bullshit.
(Or to put it metaphorically: you can't catch a ball you're activelly avoiding).
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Problem with bulshit is, once the pile is high enough it's very hard to convince people that there is no pony underneath.
And this particular pile has been heaped on for centuries...
Yes. It's on me. Dumbass
She wasn't the one twerking.
She was dancing behind the twerker.
wow really
Fuck that asshole principal.
I bet his wife caught him jacking off to the video and so he had to react like that to save face.
weird comment
What, you haven't had to ruin someone's life because you got caught jacking it to them?! You need to live man!
"That I wasn't basically following God's ideals, which made me cry even more."
So a state institution imposing religious virtues on a student? How is that constitutional, something for the ACLU perhaps?
Sounds like something the US would invade a country for doing
Uhh what?
At this point if anyone ever brings up religion to me outside of work, I'm just gonna shit on it. Tolerating religion is morally bad and religion should be as taboo as smoking.
Like, do it in private, but don't bother other people with it. Seems fair.
Religion is like a penis. You can do whatever you want with it at home, but don't go waving it in people's faces, and especially keep it away from children.
Would you be ok with people being Nazis at home? If someone commits to an ideology at home, it affects their entire personality/interactions. I'd argue this is a form of tolerance which is bad.
Would you be ok with surveilling everyone to make sure they are not Nazis?
While I am uncomfortable with the knowledge that there are some people out there who are Nazis in secret, that is still much better than them feeling comfortable enough to be Nazis in the open.
Also I would prefer even Nazis marauding in the streets to universal surveillance, which for me at least is hardly imaginable without at least a little Nazi ideology at government level.
Also I was talking about religion which in contrast to Nazi-ideology can be benign, when practiced in private.
I wasnt advocating for surveiling everyone. I was suggesting creating an atmosphere that continuously shuts down religion just like we do with Nazism. I accept that not everyone agrees with Nazis, but our general consensus is that Nazis are bad. The same cannot be said for our general consensus of religion.
Well, as I see it, it's only organized religion that is harmful.
These groups get their legitimacy and authority by following an ideology everyone worships. There's a reason why Scientology is seen as a stupid idea while Christianity/Islam are "ways of life." It's because the latter religions are popular and they become legitimate because of popularity. That's why I think it's really important to shame anyone who considers themselves a true religious person, to errode that legitimacy.
I’m a bit of an asshole, but if someone is bringing up religion in public they should be shamed
Fire that principal. He's a bad example for students.
Why'd they show the picture of the underaged girl in an article about her twerking? That's really weird.
Because she wasn't the one twerking in the video
Yes she was. You should read the article. It mentions the girls name, which is the same name on the diplomas the girl is holding. Also putting some random irrelevant person as the image would make zero sense.
No she wasn't. The name matches because the article and picture are both about the person who missed out on the scholarship because of the twerking video, but she still wasn't the person twerking in the video.
"[She] was seen dancing at a private homecoming afterparty on September 30 behind a friend who was twerking"
The person you're replying to is pointing out that they aren't showing the picture of someone who was twerking because her scholarship was revoked for being next to someone who was twerking.
Probably because her parents allowed it.
@TheOneWithTheHair good lord what happened to just punishments. Even if this was something to punish (which it isn't) anything more than a detention is kinda extreme? Ya'll taking away scholarships? That's a future by some measures. You're saying it's okay to take away her ability to get a bright future because she was at a party on her own time?
"They had other people dancing in that video who were on the dance team that nothing happened to. He said she was punished because she is the 'hood ornament' of the school."
Based on the NY Post pictures it was probably awkward teenage white girl twerking too. This whole thing is just a nothing burger and it doesn't even seem like a private school. what the heck?
So the girl in question wasn't twerking, it was person "friend" in front of her in the video. She was just dancing. I consider myself pretty logical in most things and this doesn't make sense.
The person in question did not commit any offense her self based on how the news article read. If she herself was doing something that did not promote a good image it would be understandable but this was not the case.
Obviously any government action based on "promoting a good image" would violate the First Amendment.
I can agree to a certain point but as this particular scholarship is only handed to two people a year I imagine the requirements are very high and the standard at which one conducts themselves is taken into account. Never the less I do not understand and cannot condone punishing those that do not deserve it.
This girl must have worked hard for such a scholarship and to be denied what she earned for such a bizarre reason just seems petty and small.
Wow, imagine being called a “hood ornament of the school.”
How is this allowed? Are they gonna kick people out of college because they had sex once?
Lessons learned in Afghanistan i guess. Christian Taliban
First was the teacher with the OF, now this?
Thot patrolled
Law and Order, special THOT unit.
Good
thot patrolled
Edit: I didn't realise this was a weird American Christian thing. Should have just steered clear and not asked questions. ✌
We'll damn if it's in the RULES then it must be fine. Remember when the rules said that owning human slaves was ok? Good ol days right?
Fuck off asshole
If you have a problem with the rules, you know what you can do, right?
Change them.
Fuck off asshole
Don't make an enemy of an ally.
Nice edit on your original comment. At least you have the grace to be embarrassed of yourself.
You okay, mate? All I've learned is to not ask questions. I'm not embarrassed, more confused. ☹
NB: Again I put forward an olive branch.
Diggy diggy hole
Do you like kicking people when they're down?
The only reason the school is in disrepute is because they took her scholarship.
I tell my kids all the time. Do not do anything you don't want caught on camera. In this world anything can be brought up against you in your future.
But also, like, dancing with your friends shouldn't ruin your future because your school system imposes their religious values as a moral "code".
A PUBLIC school system. Parents should sue the absolute fuck out of the school for using religion to justify a punishment.
Assumed it was a christian school based on her comment. A public school pulling this is absolutely unacceptable.
And unconstitutional.
That would be why it's unacceptable, yes.
There are many other reasons why this is unacceptable.
Yup I hope they bring up a legal case against the school and principal.
We must destroy religion. They won't stop shoving it down our throats
hard agree some poor kid getting molested by a priest praying to cold dead silence... either gods sending kidfuckers to earth or he's just standing by and watching it happen. I feel like churning down a burch
The church blames gay people for child rape while they add another file to the secret filing cabinet where they keep all the coverup records
100% agree kids should be allowed to be kids and do things like dance and have fun. Reminds me of back in the day comments like "leave room for Jesus" when dancing and "Rock n roll is from the devil" its fricking 2923 keep your religion out of my life
She didn't even do anything. Someone behind her was twerking on camera.
I know it's crazy and is sad.
Victim blaming? Shame on you.
I never said that. I never made a comment about the person in the article. Just my life experience. We are all free to do whatever want. I would never yuck somebody else's yum. It's just sad in this age almost everything you do can be brought up against you in the future. I just want my kids to be aware of this and that is all.
Rally's comment is generally good advice, and doesn't place blame on anyone.
It's in response to a girl getting punished for being recorded doing nothing wrong. Read the room and the context. It absolutely is victim blaming.
It's just advice for my kids that I shared. It may be good or bad advice based on your opinions and experiences. Take it, or leave it. But how do you jump to victim blaming?
Because of the context of the post you left that comment on?
Come on dude, you managed to put pants on today right? We know you arent as stupid as youre trying to pretend you are.
Lol… wow. The advice from rally is sound and totally correct. You took it the wrong way and thought he was saying it was her fault. He is saying don’t even put yourself in that situation by being filmed if you can avoid it. If you do not understand that then you’re truly lost. Also, im blocking you because Im sure you’ll misunderstand this too.
If youre blocking me, be a big kid and do it. No one cares to hear it.
But if youre as dumb as rally is pretending to be, Id be surprised if you figure out how.
I have read the room. The victim is not here. OP got the article from a news source.
THUS... we don't need to worry about hurting her feelings. How else CAN we contribute? Well, one constructive way is to share advice for how to prevent this. It's a good practice to not do or say things unless you're comfortable being recorded.
I agree her punishment is inappropriate, but I don't control that high school. All I control is whether I do things I don't want recorded or not.
How about if we rephrase it as "don't do things that someone else can victimize you for." Can you see how there can be a correlation with victim blaming?
The contextual difference here is that the woman in question was dancing at a private party. That is something that's okay to be comfortable with, even if a friend is recording. Thus, the problem here isn't that she shouldn't have done that, but that others victimized her over it.
That's why Rally's advice is getting criticized. It's getting correlated with "don't do things you enjoy in private with your friends because someone terrible might do terrible things to you." This is genuinely terrible advice.
Agreed. If you read this story and your first thought is 'she shouldn't have been dancing on camera in the first place', that's victim blaming.
I never thought that or said that. You made a large jump there. All I did was to share guidence i provided to my family. It's not my place to blame anyone here.
Alright
But you did place blame. Are you really that fucking daft?
He at least thinks we are
I guess we can disagree. There was no blame, only the advice I gave to my family.
My parents loved reminding me of this. Now I have debilitating social anxiety.
Sorry
I don't give a shit if someone catches me dancing on camera. There's nothing wrong with it, who cares?
God. God cares. He loves everyone and is omnipotent, but also really judgy and bitchy because reasons. And he's watching you so closely that you can reach out and touch his bloodshot ethereal eyeball. Well, if it wasn't ethereal, anyway. So don't ever let that aspirin fall from between your knees. He'll know if it does. And send plague of Karens to shame you. But only because he loves you and demands obedience.
He’ll know if it does. And send plague of Karens to shame you.
No no, first the Karens have to find that out, God won’t tell them even if he’s literally aware of everything that happens in the world. He’s kinda lazy if you ask me.
Religious crazies, apparently. We need to take away their power
I completely agree with you. The sad fact is that many people care. I don't condone it. I have done a lot of dumb things that would have a large life impact on my life if they were caught on camera.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Writes down “don’t poop”
That is a good one not to do on camera
Well I guess if I get recorded pooping it’s my own fault right?
LOL right...or some crazy airbnb owner.
Do not do anything you don’t want caught on camera.
Wow, I went to sleep, and my comment got bombed to hell.
Let me clarify to anyone reading these comments. I don't agree at all with what happened to this girl. It's unfair and wrong on so many levels. The principle comments are gross and uncalled for.
All I did was put advise out there that I give to my children to help navigate that world as we see it.
No reasonable person should be afraid to be filmed dancing. The video was completely innocent and the principal at this school is clearly a religious creep.
In this world today there is also no way to avoid being filmed anyway.
You expect us to believe your comment has nothing to do with the article, and just by coincidence, you happened to post “I tell my kids not to do anything they wouldn’t want being filmed” in response to an article about someone facing consequences for somebody else doing something that was filmed, and we are all the bad guys for unfairly assuming tha your comment had anything at all to do with the article it was posted in response to?
They are related of course. That is the point of a discussion post. But the jump to victim shaming is improper. I am not saying anyone is a bad guy here, never have or implied that. Just stating my point and people are assuming things about my post. I'll take it as a learning lesson to be clearer in the future.
They are related of course.
I’m curious to know what you think the connection is.
I’ll take it as a learning lesson to be clearer in the future.
Thats probably a good idea.
Or even writing on social media.
Sometimes yes. Look at how the comments on this got taken and twisted.
Fact is this girl was doing nothing wrong but due to others beliefs she has lost something she has worked hard for.
Fact is this girl was doing nothing wrong
In your own words, according to you, she did do something wrong: she did she wouldn’t want being filmed. (Note: she wasn’t actually the one twerking.)
Look at how the comments on this got taken and twisted.
Nobody twisted your comments. We just read what you wrote and considered the context in which you wrote it. (That last detail is something you seem to have not done.)
Your comments didnt get twisted, stop acting like you didnt know what you were implying
2003: don't do anything stupid, maybe there's some camera that can record it.
2023: record me with the camera, I'm going to do something stupid
Teenagers dancing is doing something stupid? Are you fucking stupid?
Indeed. This is completely insane
I think twerking is pretty stupid, but I have nothing against stupid things. I love doing them and as long as you’re not hurting other people you should be free to be as stupid as you want without anyone judging you.
This would entirely depend on the dance in question.
I don’t think stupid dances are going to hurt anything though. At least, not until one’s kids find it when they’re in HS…
What does shaking your ass at a private party have to do with your academics? This is the dumbest situation. This poor girl.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/07/louisiana-student-punished-by-school-for-dancing-at-private-party
she wasn’t even the one twerking
For fucks sake. I hope her family calls the ACLU.
Seems like the easiest way to get into a really good school would be to sue, whip up a media frenzy, and frame it through a feminist lens. Write an essay about overcoming adversity by standing up for what is right, no matter the cost.
BOOM easy admissions.
Yeah if the school tried to honor what the principal is doing that will be a PR nightmare for them. Honor the scholarship, admit her, do what’s right
I’d get the dance team members in on it for vaguely impugning their reputations, because when asked why nothing happened to them, the answer more or less had the implied subtext “that’s fine for them because we expect them to act like hoes, but you’re our hood ornament and should behave better.”
edit: in case anyone is unclear on my position regarding twerking
I agree. She’s literally getting punished for having fun with her friends at a dance party. And her friends should get the same restitution because they were also, having fun. God forbid this incredibly intelligent girl go on to be anything but an avenue for childbirth, or her friends don’t follow the same path
It sounds like a religious private school, so good luck.
Its Walker High School, a public school.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walker_High_School_(Walker,_Louisiana)
"They basically told me that I should be ashamed of myself," Timonet told a local news outlet. "That I wasn't basically following God's ideals, which made me cry even more."
The principal inserted their religion into their job at a public school.
Well that sounds like a damn easy win for a court case.
It's crazy. She lost benefits over something somebody else did. I can't make sense of it. The dogma and brining faith and religious righteousness into everything is out on hand and needs to stop
This is infuriating.
It has everything to do with it because god said so:
Guys, it’s the same rules as any underaged closet atheist. Study your ass off, become financially independent, then twerk in front of your god fearing scholarship committee
Religion is cancer
Christianity is cancer. My religion supports your right to twerk.
R'amen
I am interested in your religion
It's Satanism.
Satanism is only necessary because religion is cancer though. Just like cancer, we need to use another thing that kills to kill it. I'm 100% in agreement with Satanism's tenants, but it's because they're just humanist ideals wrapped in the garb of religion to use religion as a tool.
All religions are tools. Saying "religion is cancer" overlooks all of the good things that people get out of religion, such as a community with shared values that helps each other. If you can have a religion without superstition and dogma, where's the harm? It's not religion that's cancer. It's superstition and dogma.
Sure, but the term religion implies superstition and dogma. It's literally part of the definition. What is religion without that? Community and tax exempt status? The former is just called community (which also implies shared values) and the latter is mostly a scam.
I'm not saying good things can't come from religion, but they don't come because they are religious. Any good they do is done regardless (or often despite) the supernatural beliefs.
Definitions have to comport with reality, not the other way around. Satanism is not a social club. We have holidays, we have rituals, we have ministers who conduct wedding ceremonies. We even have church services.
I want to let you know I'm not the one downvoting you. I disagree, but I'm not downvoting.
Personally, I don't think The Satanic Temple should be considered a religion. I think the term has been watered down, particularly in the US, because our laws are stupid. As long as there is an incentive to be called a religion it should be, but there shouldn't be an incentive. Why should anyone's beliefs be valued more because they're tied to (usually at least) supernatural beliefs?
TST was created as religious satire. That's the reason for the holidays, riguals, and other services. They need to conform to the appearance of a religion to work as a religion for their own purposes. That isn't to say these are bad or wrong. They're just as valid as any other religion. It's just that the belief that it's founded on is humanism, not something supernatural.
TST agrees with you. In fact, this is almost word-for-word what it says in the FAQ under the question "If you don't believe in the supernatural, how is TST a religion?"
What convinced you of this?
I'm in.
I mean if you’re going to be that pedantic about a comment that doesn’t strike me as intending to be nuanced and specific, there are versions of Christianity that are fine with twerking too
People say "religion" when they mean "Christianity". This A) isn't fair to other religions and B) helps to enforce Christian hegemony.
People also say “Christianity” when they mean “evangelicalism.”
That, too.
Sounds like someone dodged a bullet! Bullet-dodge ass-dance!
Oh that really pisses me off. The poor girl!
@Coasting0942 @sara ooooooh. This is a religious scholarship? or a religious school? Alrighty then at least that makes sense.
It appears to be a public high school.
A public high school in Louisiana, so essentially a Christian school.
You ain’t from around FoxNews Parish, is ya?
sput
Oh for fuck sake! This is crazy old fashioned bullshit right here.
JFC, that's not just bullshit, it's outright objectification and misogyny.
Don’t worry he quoted the Bible
Ah yes, I forgot that Jesus came down to earth and said “don’t enjoy yourself women, your only purpose is just to have children under our neofascist theocratic regime”
Then an old fuck like that will wonder why one day someone decided to throw a molotov at their window
Deam bro if you that mad I can give you better targets.
Like certain nestle execs or some slave trade associated fucks
Por que no los dos
One can dream...
And Jesus said: Thou shall not SHAKE YOUR RUMP-AH
And a double entendre.
"Shes not a woman, she is a literal piece of flare, FOR MY Institution REEEEE"
Excuse me, Real Life? pump the brakes.
He's literally objectifying her in his comment
Such a bad and disgusting comment that should have no place today. It goes back to making this poor girl sound like property.
Devil's advocate: it could just be poor choice of metaphors to say that she's a representative of the school, which can reasonably choose to be associated — or not — with a certain image and perception of professionalism.
No. he would have used a more appropriate metaphor, His choice of words underlines his thoughts at large.
i would never refer to anyone as a fucking hood ornament. that's dehumanizing.
His brazen attitude to speak about his thoughts and not consider them to be objectifying is scary.
He could've just said "representative of the school" instead though, could he?
I’m getting pretty sick of people saying shitty things because they’re bad at metaphors. People who are bad at metaphors should just not use metaphors.
He didn't use an inept metaphor. It was exactly the metaphor he meant: that women are objects, property to be exploited by his administration.
This person is the authority who is taking her potential scholarships because of dancing. Your take actually makes it worse. She is just a thing to him and not a young girl doing a popular dance that women do. It's probably even worse in his mind because it's a dance popularized by black people from the city.
This would only make sense if it was explicitly explained and forbidden to her beforehand.
And since there’s no way any school who cares about their reputation would do that, no, that’s not reasonable. You can’t hold me to a standard I didn’t agree with.
My. God. The pearl clutching and oppression of the female body these days. We may as well go back to corsets and chastity belts.
I’m not going to encourage a HSer to twerk, but c’mon! You’re going to punish her for having fun at an unrelated and offsite event? Get real.
She wasn't even the one twerking... she just happened to be near someone twerking... how dare she?
Just when you thought this story couldn’t get and fucking dumber.
Im weak on Louisiana geography and map knowledge,
How far was this from the place where tbe tourism is/was based on women baring their breasts?
Username check out
Low effort post, fails to see point of post they are replying too.
Go back to reddit.
Fascinating, Ive never seen an account self analyze their own comments before.
Ive never seen anyone with such horrible reading comprehension as yourself.
Did someone have to bribe your primary teachers to get you past the 3rd grade?
You suck
Weak zing, hardly anything to do with my comment, limp attempt at insults, 3/10.
You wanna try again? Ill give you a mulligan.
Hey Mulligan Man!
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It's a play on words for "Hey Culligan Man!" which was an advertisement that played repeatedly throughout the 90's in the US, for reference: https://youtu.be/LwwT92Gmp0w
Try one that does not mirror my reply this time!
0/10, you did worse bud, you wasted that mulligan
More derivative tripe.
You could not humor your way out of a wet paper bag.
She’s not allowed to dance offsite at a private party but if you go to the school’s YouTube channel there are a couple cringy music videos of all the staff dancing (including the principal) on school property during working hours. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qjnPeUOMjo
And why was he even watching these videos in the first place. They would have just been fun videos the friends made to share with each other outside of school. This was just about him being turned on by watching an under age girl dancing and then punishing the girl for his feelings.
in Kate Manne's "Down Girl," about misogyny she wrote: "They put women in their place when they seem to have 'ideas beyond their station.'"
"Misogynist hostility encompasses myriad 'down girl' moves . . . to generalize: adults are insultingly likened to children, people to animals or even to objects. As well as infantilizing and belittling, there's ridiculing, humiliating, mocking, slurring, vilifying, demonizing sexualizing or, alternatively desexualizing.... and other forms that are dismissive and disparaging in specific social contexts."
Emphasis mine to point out the most relevant portions in this case. It's a solid read on misogyny that I definitely recommend to anyone.
Next they're gonna find out she kissed a boy and expel her.
Or they'll find out she kissed a girl and send her to "conversion therapy."
What are you talking about? She has already graduated, so how is the school going to expel her? I believe that ship has already sailed
You're right. Why you have to ruin my joke? Why couldn't you just let me be happy?
That was a joke? I thought you were taking a jab at that school
So what you can't shake your ass if you are smart? Thats bullshit. You should be able to strip AND get your masters degree. You should be able to take bikini pics and post your published research papers. What does it matter? Our species is marked by their brown noses.
You should be able to have an only fans and also arrest people!
But for real, you should. I know what you're referencing, and I see no reason why you can't have a side job in an unrelated field as a cop.
I'll say the same thing I said in that thread- I have more respect for her as an OnlyFans star than I do for her as a cop and if shooting innocent black people doesn't disqualify you from being a cop, then being on OnlyFans sure shouldn't.
Funny thing is a lot of sex workers near uni towns will actually be grad students working to pay tuition costs, and not like "doctorate in underwater basket weaving" like the right likes to try and demonize all degree paths but work degrees as, I've seen MBAs and Law School students doing this too.
And shit its not a bad idea. If you can pull a lot of money each night you might graduate debt free. Which, in modern times, frees you of the noose of school loan repayments. I would much rather strip than have to pay these back right now on my inflexible career salary. Now, the abuse that comes with it is not okay. But that goes along with the demonizing of these profesions.
I mean there are safe routes, Tryst looks to be run by a cooperative of tech and sex workers, or at least started as something like that with the intention of making sex work as safe as possible.
Not the person you responded to, but I'm going to look into this. Thanks
It appears that the principal is backpedaling really hard. Even so, the kid still lost out on the scholarship because she missed the deadline to apply through the school.
The mother said in response to the principal's apology,
“It’s too little, too late. I even told him on the phone conversation when he made it to us at noon today asking us to come into the office and he mentioned reinstating the scholarship, I let him know that the scholarship deadline was done, and the damage that he’s done to her is done. I also told him I gave them the opportunity when I came in there at 7 o’ clock the next morning, to try and rectify the situation at that point. Now, with somebody holding his hand forcing him to do something, an apology being enforced it’s too late,” said Rachel Timonet
Fuck the school system! It's never been about educating children. It's only about conditioning children to blindly accept what they're told by authority.
From my experience, if people are not assholes, there is always a way. I've been accepted to a school when I missed the deadline by two weeks regardless.
Unless the school system in the USA is strict and non-negotiable.
Wow, when you watch the video is even more benign than this thread headline. It's just plain dancing, nothing remotely scandalous.
Sounds like some religious bullshit.
Yep...
I bet you if a male student raped someone he wouldn't withdraw the scholarship. It's because she's a woman. Well, not even a woman she's just a girl.
Yeah these people are Christian, that distinction doesn't matter.
Religion needs to be eradicated
By the will of the Emperor! Hail the Omnissiah!
Well when you apply for religious scholarships you should kind of expect this.
Jesus was friends with a prostitute. I'm sure he would be ok with some twerking.
The problem is religious nuts who take everything to the extreme .
Jesus would not condone modern day Christianity but that is not the point. Everyone knows what modern Christianity is about, and prudishness is definitely part of their ideal. If this girl applied for a Christian scholarship, she had to have known at least that much about the religion.
But a good lesson to learn from this story is stop posting anything on social media. Just live your life. If you wanna twerk, do it. No need to show the whole world.
She was in the background of the video, dancing while a different girl in the foreground was twerking. Did you even read the article? So just never go outside and dance ever because someone might record you dancing near someone else twerking and post it? Wtf kind of victim blaming is this? It doesn't say she applied for a christian scholarship either.
Well maybe his friend was a classy prostitute.
Twerking’s demeaningly ridiculous. Like stripper, yeah, respectable. Stripping’s sexy, it’s alluring. Twerking’s just a somewhat athletically impressive display of how fast can you can convulse your pelvis.
Describing twerking as “sexy” is like someone doing a motorboat on your dick while you wag it bippidy-bippidy up and down across their lips, then trying to sell that as a passionate seduction scene in a romance novel.
I didn't see anything in the article about her applying to a religious scholarship. Source?
That principal needs his hard drive forensically checked by the police.
It was probably a scholarship for people with lower spinal paralysis. She was all set to collect the money but then she got roped into one of J-Roc’s grease videos.
Nope, after reading the article, it seems she was a student destined to be used for PR by the school and probably also for sucking up to donors. No humanity allowed, twerking is of the devil and such stuff.
Lol, the school was prepared to whore her out, but drew the line at dancing in a video.
What a disgusting load of bullshit.
The school board is going to investigate. I wonder what will happen.
The article below has more details of the whole fiasco.
https://www.livingstonparishnews.com/breaking_news/school-board-announces-investigation-into-students-discipline-at-walker-high-school/article_34d5376a-64af-11ee-8800-a7d83346e392.html
Anyone care to share the text of the article?
Disciplinary action taken by Principal Jason St. Pierre this week at Walker High School has brought national attention to Livingston Parish.
St. Pierre removed Kaylee Timonet from the Student Government Association (SGA) due to a video which was posted on social media showing her 'twerking' at an off-campus dance, which occurred after homecoming of this year.
The video, which was posted by DJ Savage who worked the event, showed Timonet and friends dancing to a song he was playing. The venue was later identified as Denham Springs Country Club.
advertisement Timonet's removal from SGA also put two SGA-sponsored scholarships unattainable for the 4.0+ student, who is also President of Walker High's Beta Club. In an interview with Unfiltered with Kiran (UWK), Timonet expressed just how badly she felt after St. Pierre levied his punishment.
"I felt like my life was over," Timonet told UWK. "Everything I worked for since I was little, always worked really hard at school.
"Being student of the year, at least having a chance at it, has always been my main goal. I’m starting college this January. I’m done in December so it was a shock."
advertisement Timonet's mother, Rachel, was also in shock over the principal's actions. She said that in a meeting with St. Pierre, she was told that the principal had referred to Bible scripture on several occasions and informed her he was 'well within his right' to enact the discipline he chose.
Local social media pages, groups, and residents took swiftly to the internet to express their displeasure. A Walker High student created a specific logo to represent the call that rose up from the community - 'Let the girl dance.' Many wanted Timonet reinstated, at a minimum, to SGA... others wanted St. Pierre to resign.
The story reached national media by Friday evening, including the NY Post and Yahoo News.
The school board Friday alerted local media that they have launched an investigation into the discipline, specifically St. Pierre's handling of the meeting with Timonet and later, her mother.
Walker High School provided the News with a form which is signed by all SGA members. The form states that 'failure to follow any of the aforementioned requirements, will result in immediate dismissal from Walker High SGA. Any action deemed inappropriate by Mr. St. Pierre will also result in removal.'
The form, however, does not mention anything about off-campus events, referring rules to school-based attendance. It is also vague on it's references to 'representing Walker High' and where that representation begins and ends.
https://archive.ph/2023.10.07-054922/https://www.livingstonparishnews.com/breaking_news/school-board-announces-investigation-into-students-discipline-at-walker-high-school/article_34d5376a-64af-11ee-8800-a7d83346e392.html
Louisiana is fucked. Can these conservative fucking demons finally all move to one place and start their conservative nation like they always dream out loud about and leave the rest of us the fuck alone already?
I think we should set aside some special land, reserved just for them.
See that’s been tried, Abrahamic faiths are inherently expansionist. The only way to get rid of them is eradication of the faith, but we’ve all agreed genocide is a no go.
They've done that multiple times boss most notably the southern flight to South America post civil war and again to colonial Africa.
Yes, but I want ALL of them to go, and definitely not just because it would become the greatest place of all time to drop a fucking nuke.
Now, now. Don’t be so hasty with killing all those people by nuke… just use strategic missiles with large yield. There are places we’d probably like to use again.
Fair point, and I hope it's an uninhabited island, I would want any decent people caught in the crossfire.
Or we could maybe, just maybe, not call for murdering people at all. That's a fun concept.
No.
why would you need to kill them if they are already isolated
For the same reason you exterminate any pest? Just like cockroaches, they need to be kept from multiplying and spreading. Don't bother looking for cracks here, I have spent 30 years hating these people with every fiber, my mind is concrete on the matter.
You're a bit fucking crazy lol.
That's fine, these people believe that a magic man in the sky has given them eternal life and the rights to women as property and that if you give billions of dollars to already rich people it will magically trickle down to the poor people, it's just crazy v crazy.
It's a bit weird to want to kill people over generalizations you are making up in your head
Ha ha, go jump off a cliff scumbag.
lol
If they tried that you wouldn't allow that
Compared to Afghanistan where girls can't get an education, I bet these Christians consider themselves very tolerant and progressive.
Religion excels at making idiots into massive idiots, and empower them too.
Wait until they find out their religion is just bullshit
You can't find out that something is bullshit when you refuse to believe anything you're told that doesn't align it it not bing bullshit.
(Or to put it metaphorically: you can't catch a ball you're activelly avoiding).
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Problem with bulshit is, once the pile is high enough it's very hard to convince people that there is no pony underneath.
And this particular pile has been heaped on for centuries...
Yes. It's on me. Dumbass
She wasn't the one twerking.
She was dancing behind the twerker.
wow really
Fuck that asshole principal.
I bet his wife caught him jacking off to the video and so he had to react like that to save face.
weird comment
What, you haven't had to ruin someone's life because you got caught jacking it to them?! You need to live man!
"That I wasn't basically following God's ideals, which made me cry even more." So a state institution imposing religious virtues on a student? How is that constitutional, something for the ACLU perhaps?
Sounds like something the US would invade a country for doing
Uhh what?
At this point if anyone ever brings up religion to me outside of work, I'm just gonna shit on it. Tolerating religion is morally bad and religion should be as taboo as smoking.
Like, do it in private, but don't bother other people with it. Seems fair.
Religion is like a penis. You can do whatever you want with it at home, but don't go waving it in people's faces, and especially keep it away from children.
Would you be ok with people being Nazis at home? If someone commits to an ideology at home, it affects their entire personality/interactions. I'd argue this is a form of tolerance which is bad.
Would you be ok with surveilling everyone to make sure they are not Nazis? While I am uncomfortable with the knowledge that there are some people out there who are Nazis in secret, that is still much better than them feeling comfortable enough to be Nazis in the open.
Also I would prefer even Nazis marauding in the streets to universal surveillance, which for me at least is hardly imaginable without at least a little Nazi ideology at government level.
Also I was talking about religion which in contrast to Nazi-ideology can be benign, when practiced in private.
I wasnt advocating for surveiling everyone. I was suggesting creating an atmosphere that continuously shuts down religion just like we do with Nazism. I accept that not everyone agrees with Nazis, but our general consensus is that Nazis are bad. The same cannot be said for our general consensus of religion.
Well, as I see it, it's only organized religion that is harmful.
These groups get their legitimacy and authority by following an ideology everyone worships. There's a reason why Scientology is seen as a stupid idea while Christianity/Islam are "ways of life." It's because the latter religions are popular and they become legitimate because of popularity. That's why I think it's really important to shame anyone who considers themselves a true religious person, to errode that legitimacy.
I’m a bit of an asshole, but if someone is bringing up religion in public they should be shamed
Fire that principal. He's a bad example for students.
Why'd they show the picture of the underaged girl in an article about her twerking? That's really weird.
Because she wasn't the one twerking in the video
Yes she was. You should read the article. It mentions the girls name, which is the same name on the diplomas the girl is holding. Also putting some random irrelevant person as the image would make zero sense.
No she wasn't. The name matches because the article and picture are both about the person who missed out on the scholarship because of the twerking video, but she still wasn't the person twerking in the video.
"[She] was seen dancing at a private homecoming afterparty on September 30 behind a friend who was twerking"
The person you're replying to is pointing out that they aren't showing the picture of someone who was twerking because her scholarship was revoked for being next to someone who was twerking.
Probably because her parents allowed it.
@TheOneWithTheHair good lord what happened to just punishments. Even if this was something to punish (which it isn't) anything more than a detention is kinda extreme? Ya'll taking away scholarships? That's a future by some measures. You're saying it's okay to take away her ability to get a bright future because she was at a party on her own time?
@TheOneWithTheHair
"They had other people dancing in that video who were on the dance team that nothing happened to. He said she was punished because she is the 'hood ornament' of the school."
Based on the NY Post pictures it was probably awkward teenage white girl twerking too. This whole thing is just a nothing burger and it doesn't even seem like a private school. what the heck?
https://nypost.com/2023/10/06/honor-student-loses-scholarship-after-twerking-video-surfaces/
So the girl in question wasn't twerking, it was person "friend" in front of her in the video. She was just dancing. I consider myself pretty logical in most things and this doesn't make sense.
The person in question did not commit any offense her self based on how the news article read. If she herself was doing something that did not promote a good image it would be understandable but this was not the case.
Obviously any government action based on "promoting a good image" would violate the First Amendment.
I can agree to a certain point but as this particular scholarship is only handed to two people a year I imagine the requirements are very high and the standard at which one conducts themselves is taken into account. Never the less I do not understand and cannot condone punishing those that do not deserve it.
This girl must have worked hard for such a scholarship and to be denied what she earned for such a bizarre reason just seems petty and small.
Wow, imagine being called a “hood ornament of the school.”
How is this allowed? Are they gonna kick people out of college because they had sex once?
Lessons learned in Afghanistan i guess. Christian Taliban
First was the teacher with the OF, now this?
Thot patrolled
Law and Order, special THOT unit.
Good
thot patrolled
Edit: I didn't realise this was a weird American Christian thing. Should have just steered clear and not asked questions. ✌
We'll damn if it's in the RULES then it must be fine. Remember when the rules said that owning human slaves was ok? Good ol days right?
Fuck off asshole
If you have a problem with the rules, you know what you can do, right?
Change them.
Don't make an enemy of an ally.
Nice edit on your original comment. At least you have the grace to be embarrassed of yourself.
You okay, mate? All I've learned is to not ask questions. I'm not embarrassed, more confused. ☹
NB: Again I put forward an olive branch.
Diggy diggy hole
Do you like kicking people when they're down?
The only reason the school is in disrepute is because they took her scholarship.
I tell my kids all the time. Do not do anything you don't want caught on camera. In this world anything can be brought up against you in your future.
But also, like, dancing with your friends shouldn't ruin your future because your school system imposes their religious values as a moral "code".
A PUBLIC school system. Parents should sue the absolute fuck out of the school for using religion to justify a punishment.
Assumed it was a christian school based on her comment. A public school pulling this is absolutely unacceptable.
And unconstitutional.
That would be why it's unacceptable, yes.
There are many other reasons why this is unacceptable.
Yup I hope they bring up a legal case against the school and principal.
We must destroy religion. They won't stop shoving it down our throats
hard agree some poor kid getting molested by a priest praying to cold dead silence... either gods sending kidfuckers to earth or he's just standing by and watching it happen. I feel like churning down a burch
The church blames gay people for child rape while they add another file to the secret filing cabinet where they keep all the coverup records
100% agree kids should be allowed to be kids and do things like dance and have fun. Reminds me of back in the day comments like "leave room for Jesus" when dancing and "Rock n roll is from the devil" its fricking 2923 keep your religion out of my life
She didn't even do anything. Someone behind her was twerking on camera.
I know it's crazy and is sad.
Victim blaming? Shame on you.
I never said that. I never made a comment about the person in the article. Just my life experience. We are all free to do whatever want. I would never yuck somebody else's yum. It's just sad in this age almost everything you do can be brought up against you in the future. I just want my kids to be aware of this and that is all.
Rally's comment is generally good advice, and doesn't place blame on anyone.
It's in response to a girl getting punished for being recorded doing nothing wrong. Read the room and the context. It absolutely is victim blaming.
It's just advice for my kids that I shared. It may be good or bad advice based on your opinions and experiences. Take it, or leave it. But how do you jump to victim blaming?
Because of the context of the post you left that comment on?
Come on dude, you managed to put pants on today right? We know you arent as stupid as youre trying to pretend you are.
Lol… wow. The advice from rally is sound and totally correct. You took it the wrong way and thought he was saying it was her fault. He is saying don’t even put yourself in that situation by being filmed if you can avoid it. If you do not understand that then you’re truly lost. Also, im blocking you because Im sure you’ll misunderstand this too.
If youre blocking me, be a big kid and do it. No one cares to hear it.
But if youre as dumb as rally is pretending to be, Id be surprised if you figure out how.
I have read the room. The victim is not here. OP got the article from a news source.
THUS... we don't need to worry about hurting her feelings. How else CAN we contribute? Well, one constructive way is to share advice for how to prevent this. It's a good practice to not do or say things unless you're comfortable being recorded.
I agree her punishment is inappropriate, but I don't control that high school. All I control is whether I do things I don't want recorded or not.
How about if we rephrase it as "don't do things that someone else can victimize you for." Can you see how there can be a correlation with victim blaming?
The contextual difference here is that the woman in question was dancing at a private party. That is something that's okay to be comfortable with, even if a friend is recording. Thus, the problem here isn't that she shouldn't have done that, but that others victimized her over it.
That's why Rally's advice is getting criticized. It's getting correlated with "don't do things you enjoy in private with your friends because someone terrible might do terrible things to you." This is genuinely terrible advice.
Agreed. If you read this story and your first thought is 'she shouldn't have been dancing on camera in the first place', that's victim blaming.
I never thought that or said that. You made a large jump there. All I did was to share guidence i provided to my family. It's not my place to blame anyone here.
Alright
But you did place blame. Are you really that fucking daft?
He at least thinks we are
I guess we can disagree. There was no blame, only the advice I gave to my family.
My parents loved reminding me of this. Now I have debilitating social anxiety.
Sorry
I don't give a shit if someone catches me dancing on camera. There's nothing wrong with it, who cares?
God. God cares. He loves everyone and is omnipotent, but also really judgy and bitchy because reasons. And he's watching you so closely that you can reach out and touch his bloodshot ethereal eyeball. Well, if it wasn't ethereal, anyway. So don't ever let that aspirin fall from between your knees. He'll know if it does. And send plague of Karens to shame you. But only because he loves you and demands obedience.
He loves you, and he NEEDS MONEY!
No no, first the Karens have to find that out, God won’t tell them even if he’s literally aware of everything that happens in the world. He’s kinda lazy if you ask me.
Religious crazies, apparently. We need to take away their power
I completely agree with you. The sad fact is that many people care. I don't condone it. I have done a lot of dumb things that would have a large life impact on my life if they were caught on camera.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU
Writes down “don’t poop”
That is a good one not to do on camera
Well I guess if I get recorded pooping it’s my own fault right?
LOL right...or some crazy airbnb owner.
Wow, I went to sleep, and my comment got bombed to hell.
Let me clarify to anyone reading these comments. I don't agree at all with what happened to this girl. It's unfair and wrong on so many levels. The principle comments are gross and uncalled for.
All I did was put advise out there that I give to my children to help navigate that world as we see it.
No reasonable person should be afraid to be filmed dancing. The video was completely innocent and the principal at this school is clearly a religious creep.
In this world today there is also no way to avoid being filmed anyway.
You expect us to believe your comment has nothing to do with the article, and just by coincidence, you happened to post “I tell my kids not to do anything they wouldn’t want being filmed” in response to an article about someone facing consequences for somebody else doing something that was filmed, and we are all the bad guys for unfairly assuming tha your comment had anything at all to do with the article it was posted in response to?
They are related of course. That is the point of a discussion post. But the jump to victim shaming is improper. I am not saying anyone is a bad guy here, never have or implied that. Just stating my point and people are assuming things about my post. I'll take it as a learning lesson to be clearer in the future.
I’m curious to know what you think the connection is.
Thats probably a good idea.
Or even writing on social media.
Sometimes yes. Look at how the comments on this got taken and twisted.
Fact is this girl was doing nothing wrong but due to others beliefs she has lost something she has worked hard for.
In your own words, according to you, she did do something wrong: she did she wouldn’t want being filmed. (Note: she wasn’t actually the one twerking.)
Nobody twisted your comments. We just read what you wrote and considered the context in which you wrote it. (That last detail is something you seem to have not done.)
Your comments didnt get twisted, stop acting like you didnt know what you were implying
2003: don't do anything stupid, maybe there's some camera that can record it.
2023: record me with the camera, I'm going to do something stupid
Teenagers dancing is doing something stupid? Are you fucking stupid?
Indeed. This is completely insane
I think twerking is pretty stupid, but I have nothing against stupid things. I love doing them and as long as you’re not hurting other people you should be free to be as stupid as you want without anyone judging you.
This would entirely depend on the dance in question.
I don’t think stupid dances are going to hurt anything though. At least, not until one’s kids find it when they’re in HS…
So true