To be fair, I'm not aware of any fediverse instances or other reddit alternatives that even have an appeals process. Reddit might be throwing away its best features, but it is a feature its competitors don't even have yet.
On the Fediverse, you can go to a different instance.
And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
Every online community I've ever seen has it's fieflords.
At least with lemmy, if mods / admins regularly over-step, alternative communities can easily replace them.
That was possible on Reddit too. Every single sub with overbearing mods could have been replaced at any time with an alternative. A bunch of alternatives tried to get off the ground, some succeeded more than others, but most never overcame the original, if they ever picked up at all.
It'll be the same way here. If the community doesn't leave the original home because they're "settled there", alternatives will not grow.
This entire migration from Reddit should make it it very, very plain how utterly impossible it is to get large groups of users to move. Reddit is all but whipping them with jumper cables right now and they're still using it.
You can't just expect communities to move because the admins suck. You have to actually attract them there.
That was possible on Reddit too
Not really. Reddit is a single platform, you get the same overbearing comment-editing admins, with the same tunnel-vision automod tools and black-hole recurse process no matter what new sub you make.
Moving people off a platform is the hardest part, they need to learn new tools an ways of doing things... and TL;DR you lost them.
On lemmy and the fediverse, leaving unwelcoming mods/admins behind is as easy as going to another instance, no need to change the ways of using it. Still need to attract that community, but it's orders of magnitude easier on a federated platform.
A good point well made.
Yeah, I haven't used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit. I'll be here more now that Reddit isn't an option, but it's not like I think this place is good either. Lemmy needs to step up its game.
I haven’t used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit.
Well that's very disappointing if true. Could you give an example?
Btw, just to be clear-- Lemmy isn't "one site," so you're likely to get a wide range of reactions depending on issue/cause where you happen to be (communities, instances).
Look at my sub c/chaotesvspatriarchy. I created it on Reddit, moved it to Lemmy during the protests, and gave up on it after a while because lemmy.world users would see trans memes and downvote.
c/twoxchromosomes@slrpnk.net is also an absolute terf magnet that I tried to get shut down
The worst I've ever seen in 20 years is Horatio on the "Battlefront" forum on Ars Technica. The very definition of a "Little Caesar Bitch." He was Microsoft's Semper Fi Guardian, and an absolute cunt. He lobbied very, very hard for his mod status, and blatantly abused his power over anyone who criticized Microsoft in any way. I'm convinced he's really Steve Ballmer.
Why would you go back to a community you don't agree with? There is a reason there are like 20+ "cats" communities on so many different instances; you can pick a different one, or start one yourself (and be the mod you want), or even a whole instance (and be the admin you want).
Sometimes some of the users are nice and you want to hang with them. Sometimes it's just a misunderstanding. Sometimes you have a political motivation and are motivated not by self-interest to hang with cool people, but by a moral duty to make the world a better place
Create a community and invite over the nice users? If it's just a misunderstanding, try talking it out with the mods? If you have a political motivation... sorry, can't help you there, most online forums are not the place to run a campaign that doesn't align with the nod's views, there is no free speech protection on non-government property.
Yeah, but that doesn't matter when the rules of dbzer0 prohibit prosocial behaviour. It's against the instance rules to insult someone for being a nazi.
Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community? If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community and the mod doesn’t have to deal with trolls and angry back-and-forth’s.
That isn't to say what Reddit did isn’t wrong. They established that system and they have a culture of appeals. Suddenly removing that isn’t really fair from a “social contract” or whatever perspective.
Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community?
Example: To make sure nonsensical posts, for example from tankies, get countered.
If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community
Same example: I an not supposed to disrupt their little get-together-with-bullshit.
To make sure nonsensical posts, for example from tankies, get countered.
Why are any of us entitled to that though? If they don’t want us around then they can show us the door. To use (at least to me) a better example: why should LGBT communities have to allow people to debate them on whether or not it’s a choice? If they don’t want to, they shouldn’t have to. They may just want a corner to be together and chat.
We aren’t entitled to a debate if people don’t want to participate you know?
For one thing this is why echo chambers are dangerous. They have real world implications. For another though, there's a difference between a debate and downright trolling or inciting behavior regardless of topic. Conflating the two is kind of disingenuous.
And if you don't want to debate you don't put that information on a public forum because debate is literally a baked in feature of public forums. That part of the reason they exist. You're putting something out into public. It doesn't just belong to you anymore/doesn't just affect you anymore. That's literally the basis for a lot of civil rights laws and why you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
You can't just say a stereotype or something racist in public. What should in theory be happening is people of the LGBTQ should have the same protections under the law (anti-discrimination) as other protected groups get.
If the community is founded on that as a rule (no discrimination) and the comment is in violation that's one thing. Ban people. Do what you need to to follow the rules, enforce the rule, and protect the community. But at the same time discourse in a community isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Do you not want nonsensical posts on your LGBTQ communities about "gay frog water" or whatever to face discourse? Do you not want people in the community to counter anyone bold enough to claim that as fact?
Conflating the two is kind of disingenuous.
I’m not conflating so much as saying the line between them can be incredibly thin and hard to find. Additionally, some people are ignorant/hard headed/saying horrible things but they’re also completely unaware of the issue so where do you say “that’s enough”? Some people also hide behind rules and weaponize speech so they can use it as cudgel to cause issues in a community. It is exhausting dealing with these people sometimes and some communities just don’t want to, which I think is their prerogative!
I get why my stance is getting pushback. I just think ultimately it’s up to a community how much they want to deal with friction. Some people don’t. That’s fine!
Communities can be built to be insular and require things of their members that would allow for what you seem to want but that involves a time investment to vet users and essentially make the community read only for people who aren't members. That comes with a whole host of other problems but it is doable.
Protest is a fundamental part of a functioning government, a functioning society, and a functioning community. I've been a mod on queer forums, and I always gave people a way to argue their case so long as they were engaging in respectful debate. I would tell people the boundaries and make sure they followed them. For example, if someone wants to say I'm not really nonbinary, I'll argue the point with them because it's my duty as a community leader, but I will establish they must gender me correctly and not use slurs for the duration of the debate, even if they disagree. They're welcome to make their disagreement while respecting me, and usually they couldn't manage that balance and I banned them. They would run out of patience before I did. It is absolutely essential that community moderators have an abundance of patience.
But not everyone wants to mod that community and not every community wants that debate to be happening. I am very grateful for your work and I have run communities that encourage discussion as well, but it’s not really a moral imperative or legal requirement or anything. Every community has its own culture, tone, rules, expectations, etc.
Again, I think it’s great that you run a community that operates like that and I think those discussions are very important and good for our society. Thank you for doing it, truly. But not every single Internet community has to allow extensive debate.
You and I have very different ideas about the moral responsibilities of people in authority. I think it's essential that leaders be held to a higher standard in all cases.
I guess, it’s all good. I just feel like if I ran a PTSD board I shouldn’t have to allow folks who deliberately trigger people under the guise of debate and such because they “follow the rules.” I’m not saying that you would allow that, I just think that is much more at the forefront for me. I really do respect your position and I’m glad we have you running communities.
Oh yeah I don't allow that sort of thing. I let people be harder on me as a leader than I'd let them be to people I'm responsible for protecting. If I'm to be worthy of power within a community then I have to be willing and able to advocate for the community. That means taking zero tolerance towards attacks on others, and embodying the community's best values to the face of those who disagree. I always give troublemakers clear requirements for remaining in the community if that's what they want. Protest is essential to social health, but it must be done without hate, and it's better for animosity to be directed towards leaders than members.
It doesn't have to have a fair appeals policy, but an instance that has an appeals policy is one that you would probably want to join more. So an instance should have a fair appeals policy, because that's what the users who use the instance want - assuming the instance wants users.
As for what reddit did, there's a lot of pulling the rug out that you're casually ignoring. Reddit is what it is because of the users that contributed to it. In spite of Huffman talking about "their dataset", they don't actually own the data - it belongs to the users, reddit merely has a license.
Now, reddit is trying to change the rules - as a user, you're no longer in charge of the subreddit you created and became moderator of anymore, you're expected to serve "will of the users" (as defined by reddit admin), the users you attracted to the house you built. Reddit was founded on the idea "if you don't like it, make your own space, and users will flock towards the better one".
Reddit changed the moderator code of conduct. And yet, if you strictly apply the moderator code of conduct as they sometimes do, it completely undermines many of the bans that reddit admin also enforce. They're hypocrits, now all they want is to exploit everyone that put them where they are.
If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community?
Because the size of a community matters, and they're not fungible. Back on reddit, my city's subreddit was run by power-tripping mods. Sure, I could try to create an alternative -- and somebody actually did -- but it had multiple orders of magnitudes fewer users than the original sub and almost nobody would actually see what you posted there, so what's the fucking point?
The entire reason I wanted to comment in the original sub was to try to politically persuade and influence people in my city. Censoring me from that sub was extremely effective even if alternatives theoretically existed.
But your city has other communities on other platforms and local social meetups. You don’t have to use Reddit.
Well, I don't use Reddit anymore -- it has joined the list of oligarch-owned shit that I'm boycotting (along with Facebook and Twitter). And yes, I do participate in local politics IRL.
But that still doesn't invalidate what I wrote. The fact is that these platforms have too much fucking power as de-facto replacements for the public forum, and whether you refuse to use them or you get kicked out from them, it marginalizes you in a very real way that affects the real world. That's a problem even if the possibility exists to go commune with other rejects on a platform the majority don't give a shit about.
Not to mention, if I had a nickel for every real-world event hosted by a real-world local government, community, or activist organization that I missed because it was only advertised on Facebook, I'd have a big pile of nickels.
Oh I completely agree these platforms have too much power. Zero argument here. I’m just saying on an individual basis you have other options. But yeah i get what you’re saying
I got a temp ban for 'trolling' here on .world a few weeks back. Literally no notice at all. Had to go to the discord and ask. They instantly reversed it because they could tell I hadn't been trolling.
Ehh . . sort of?
Appealing a ban for a social media post is . . . I dunno. Weird.
Well in this case, my best guess is I've been banned because I contacted a mod team that doesn't want to hear from me. Problem is, they're leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I'm a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don't care enough about doing their jobs to investigate. I've been in situations like this before, and I was able to resolve it through the appeals process. But that's not going to happen if they don't tell me precisely why I've been banned or let me appeal it.
they're leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I'm a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don't care
A surefire way to make a company care, is to sue them. Just saying.
I already contacted the police about the situation and they said it's not illegal. And I'm way too poor to sue a billion dollar company.
IANAL, but if they're using private conversation contents without your permission to harass you... that sounds illegal to me.
And you don't need to be rich to sue anyone. To win the case, maybe, but not just to sue.
The law doesn't exist to protect people, it exists to protect capital. If you're expecting to law to help trans people deal with abuse, you're looking up the wrong tree.
I gave it up. ✌🏼
Most instances have some way of contacting the admins and talking things out. Unlike Reddit's "did anyone even read this?" process, they tend to be actual people who actually answer.
No, they don't. You can't contact the admins from an account you can't log into, and you can't log into a suspended account. Also, your PMs won't be seen by any user native to a remote instance you've been banned from, including admins.
First, there is email, discord, element, etc. Check your instance for contact options, they usually have some. Second, you can use an alt account from anywhere in the fediverse to PM people. If you're honest about it, you can find a way.
Or... if you know you broke the rules and plan on doing it again, just move onto some other instance more accepting of your profile, there are 1000+ ones to choose from.
I got banned for telling someone it's important to check for cancer, on a post about a sports person that died from rectal cancer, and I was banned permanently for "harassment".
I appealed and lost.
Yeah, bad actors have weaponised the harassment rule to get people banned. I was banned because a tankie sub - that I had previously thought was cool - banned me from out of nowhere with an automated message and no explanation. Putting 2 & 2 together it was clearly for an anti-tankie post I made on a different sub. Literally a kind of harassment in itself. When I said "What the fuck?" In my reply, I was banned reddit-wide.
Like they've gotta just be fishing for anything they can call harasment to get their ideological enemies kicked.
The distinction between mod subreddit bans and site wide bans is basically gone
Yeah I got banned from greenandpleasent the same time Russia invaded Ukraine because it was taken over by a bunch of boot lickers and likely actual paid russian shills, probably some of the same crowd hosting hexbear et al. And got a site wide ban soon after...
What is a tankie?
Fans of this (and not the guy standing there):
Years of being on reddit has conditioned me to always respond to this picture with
So brave
I literally cannot stop myself from posting it.
Its an epithet for authcoms (authoritarian communists) and MLs (Marxists-Leninists). Essentially referring to justifications of using tanks / violence to quash uprisings or dissent.
In a weird way, it's kind of "so left wing it curled round the back and ended up on the far right".
If you think of "left wing" as in "we support Pol Pot, Stalin, Putin etc" rather than "let's open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups".
I agree with your characterisation, but obviously I think that version of left-wing isn't really left. It's state capitalism with a red flag.
That said, I'd add that the anarchist and other libertarian leftists (ancaps stole the word libertarian from the left btw) absolutely have revolutionary aims and activities, we aren't just sitting around singing kumbaya. I didn't sense you were trying to belittle us but I wanted to add that.
You're right to give it a little more detail - my slightly silly summary skipped over a lot.
Definitely not trying to belittle anyone, though I am slightly poking fun at myself :)
Got it, that was the vibe you gave off but also since we're trying to educate I thought I'd be a bit pedantic about it :)
“let’s open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups”.
It wasn't a vegan art cafe, but the town I grew up in opened a community-run "Peace and Justice Center" that was a direct evolution from the protest camp that was set up at the start of the 1992 Iraq war. It lasted about 2 months because they had no idea what a peace and justice center was supposed to do. They did let several homeless people sleep there in violation of zoning regulations, though.
A stalinist communist.
There's two definitions, the former means redfash who overlook the fascist elements of former socialisms, particularly those of Marxist-Leninist orientation. (the fact they use tankie rather than redfash should tell you they're not entirely comfortable using fascist as a pejorative, want to guess why?)
The latter is basically a dog whistle used by reactionaries to mean communist. Basically a synonym of "woke" for those not overtly racist and applies to anyone with left-of-hitler politics. Think your blue maga types who swear they're progressive.
Regardless, the word was invented by the CIA to sew division among the left and should not be used by anyone.
Oh I got banned from the site. Reddit admins banned me lmao.
Yeah, I got banned from the site too.
Anybody that ever said anything that could be classed as controversial has been if someone was salty enough to report them. Reddit went from corporate influenced to corporate interested above all else.
yep, and yet somehow reddit never does anything about the report abuse for the 'self help' thing which id get dozens of PM's a day about at one point, reported them and nothing was ever done about it
If you approach things from a scientific perspective, the meaning of harassment is just "political speech I don't like". Some kinds of political speech, like protests and appeals, are important and should be allowed, but can easily be labelled harassment. Other kinds of political speech, like sexual harassment or hate speech, are bad. "Harassment" as a word isn't a useful one. Two people having a fight are harassing each other, regardless of who's right. We have created a society that hates political speech and welcomes the use of state and corporation violence to suppress dissenting politics.
I don't say this from a place of callousness. I've been a victim of the most vicious harassment and it's given me PTSD. And what I learned from the experience is, talented manipulators and people with social power will always benefit from being able to call political speech harassment.
harassment is just "political speech I don't like"
Some communities on Lemmy have switched to calling it "misinformation". As in: you provide links to reputable sources to support your point, and it's "misinformation".
Harassment seems to be more of a label for "too many people downvoted you, and you still dared to answer".
That explains why a troll tried ban baiting me for "disinformation" when I said something they didn't like.
Yeah, that's better. Misinformation covers situations like defamation and many kinds of hate speech. Although there still needs to be a solution for stalking and sexual harassment, as long as it doesn't overlap and outlaw protest or deplatforming.
Misinformation covers situations like defamation and many kinds of hate speech.
Not really:
Misinformation: “false information that is spread, regardless of whether there is intent to mislead.”
Disinformation: “deliberately misleading or biased information; manipulated narrative or facts; propaganda.”
The difference is between "I don't believe you, so you get banned" vs. "I think you're trying to mislead people, so you get banned".
Misinformation allows banning any information a mod believes to be "false", for whatever reason, no matter the proof.
(PS: if any mod doesn't agree with these definitions, they could remove this comment based on "misinformation")
God that's actually worse than my banning (I posted a Google Streetview link of a layby). Incredible. Has anyone ever appealed and won? Ever?
Yes, I did. But only because multiple subreddit mods, including all of the mods in the subreddit that triggered the ban, got behind me due to the bullshit nature of the ban.
I won my appeal once. I was banned for "hate speech". I was literally being 100% sarcastic against someone who was truly being a hateful shithead. I assume I was banned by an idiot who doesn't understand sarcasm exists, but unbanned by someone who has talked to another human before.
Person: "nien! slur slur"
You: "don't be a cracker"
Reddit: "Your comment has violated hate speech rules"
I really need context before I can get on the "mods bad" wagon for this one
Sorry, I don't know where or how I broke the rules, can you show and explain it to me?
No
But then how will I avoid breaking rules in the future?
Yes
"Please familiarise yourself with reddits content policy.... which doesnt matter because your banned for life anyway"
your banned
See, I'd ban you just for that. Off you pop now 😂
You have been banned for this content.
Reason: threatening violence
Perfect. Outside, now 😊
But then how will I avoid breaking rules in the future?
That won't be an issue.
Nothing new, actually. When I was banned years ago (suspiciously after calling out some astroturfing), they didn't give a reason either.
I pointed out that the Australian subreddits were being very obviously astro-turfed. And then I made a post naming the Aus PR companies that were openly running bot campaigns on Reddit and who was using them.
That account got banned in record fucking time lol. And no reason was given either, it was a site-wide IP ban. Luckily one call to my ISP and that was sorted lol.
They welcome the evasion since they don't actually want their number of ad impressions going down. They were just letting you know that under no circumstances were you to show anyone what's behind the curtain.
Mind if I ask how long ago you were banned? It seems like over the last 6-9 months nationalist subreddits have ended up with a huge amount of sway in gettting people banned for arguing with them.
IP ban isn't the only way they can get you though. I've had them catch me out even with a fresh IP. They fingerprint browsers, using their own implementation of backend Google captcha (you don't connect to gstatic.com, but redditstatic.com).
I think they use the email too. I once made a second with the same email and it was fine for a few minutes and then banned. I hadn't voted or commented on anything yet.
Then I made another with a brand new email on a different service and it too was banned pretty quick before I engaged with anything. That one I think was fingerprinted because my home IP changes every couple months naturally, so I wasn't on the same IP that would have been banned. Also sometime around then I started using a VPN and it was still banned, so I'm thinking it was a fingerprint.
At that point I was kinda over it but I was curious about the system. So I tried once more with another new service email, on a different IP from being on a mobile away from home. That one worked. It probably still works, but I don't remember it or the password or the email I made for it. So it's out there somewhere, but I don't care any more because this all finished up around the time reddit killed third party apps, so I found this and my app came over, so I just entered the fediverse.
I still have my NSFW account there which does still have all of my niche interests in far greater supply than I've found here so far. I've got my NSFW account here, but all the communities die pretty quick, so it's not much use yet.
Somewhat, yes. I had a bunch of alts that used similar emails, they all got axed, but one was spared, perhaps because I never clicked to confirm the email. Then I suspect they linked any remaining or new accounts with different emails via a recent desktop browser.
It was kind of cool looking into when everything was banned. Accounts I hadn't logged into for years had been banned, all together - but not immediately with the first main ban.
I think IP alone isn't enough for them to decide to ban, though.
sounds about right. I got perma banned for "harassment" for essentially saying spez is a piece of shit lol
I got perma banned because I've gotten 4 or 5 accounts banned over the years for being toxic and harassing people. I made a joking "call to violence" and they hit me with a perma.
Meh. I deserved it for sure. If they let me back on the platform I'd do it again 😈
Congratulations, fuckwit.
Thanks! Yeah there are some other websites where people share their reddit troll victims and funny comment threads where people are losing their minds. It's a fun little game to see how many people you can get.
You got me there. It really does sound like you're living life to the fullest of your potential.
It's so weird how people want to downvote you for trolling shitty Reddit. If you love it so much, go back?
I can't go back :( they fingerprinted my computer, phone, email, all of it. Allegedly I can go to a library and make a new account with a burner email but I haven't tried.
They can't fingerprint your computer, that's a lie that Moderators tell to non-techsavy users to discourage ban evasion, just use the browsing history data you and the browser voluntarily give them, use Reddit through Tor and it won't be effective, you can harass their admins constantly and they can't do a thing about it, just keep banning the accounts (unless they want to Ban Tor which I don't forsee happening at least for a while).
Just don't try pushing your luck because if you say anything too evil (i.e. threats of mass violence, mass destruction, violence or harm against the government, etc.) Dpeartment of Investigation, FBI, or Secret Service could still come after you with Tor.
Yea this recently happened to me. A had an argument with a mod and he reported a non offensive comment I had on his subreddit as a ban evasion. I got suspended for ban evasion despite not having another account. After my suspension ended he reported the exact same comment again giving me a second suspension. After the 3rd time I got banned entirely. 10+ year account with no prior suspensions/bans just gone because of one mod. Between that and RIF being gone, I'm just done with reddit.
Also ran afoul with a mod. Merari01 specifically. I reported one of his comments, and he sent it up as abuse of the report button. Insta perma banned. My account was registered in 2010.
Reddit's been awful for a while though so the loss wasn't too bad.
The only good thing that came out of the API protest was watching AwkwardTheTurtle and iBleeedOrange get stabbed in the back and purged from the site by Spez.
I dunno, I have like 15 accounts. One gets banned I move to the next lol!
Doctor eggman is that you?
I'm IP banned. doesn't matter if it's a new email, or device. I've tried many times and my accounts always get banned within 48 hrs. I haven't tried getting a new modem yet, cause I don't care that much about reddit.
It's almost like total control over content and no recourse is the goal! Garbage company, move on from it...
The mods over there are hardcore power trippers. And when I say power trippers, I really mean capricious, vindictive, hypocritical, arbitrary cunts.
They are over here too! A mod on world news on lemmy.ml was saying that Ukraine probably bombed their own people yesterday. Then when evidence came out that it was Russia he deleted his comment and everyone's involvement with the conversation calling him out
a mod on lemmy.ml
Well there's your problem.
Yeah I'm currently browsing everything and filtering out communities I absolutely don't want to see. Unfortunately that's the experience most new users will have here on lemmy too, and think that represents the vibe across the whole platform.
I've blocked dozens of porn communities in a month.
yeah, TONS of furries too. It used to be you could just block lemmynsfw.com (and have an alt account just for that instance if you like) but now new communities are popping up on random instances. I never know whether to block the whole instance or just the community every time.
Well there’s your problem.
I can't help but not read that in the Bostonian accent of the guy on the podcast now. I didn't even like the podcast much and only listened to one or two episodes, but, well, theeyrs yer praahblem.
Not much different from Lemmy really. Atleast on reddit you get a message that you have been banned.
Dude, lemmy has a modlog that shows you everything.
Open the webpage, scroll to the bottom.
Yeah, but you don't get a notification.
Maybe not. However it would be hard to say whether this is malicious or whether it's just a development oversight on a pre-1.0 version. Or just the moderator's lack of due action.
Either way, though, I'd prefer no notification but a mod log to reddit's way, where sometimes they would notify you but other times they would shadow ban.
Yeah! Shadow banning really is awful.
Yeah I know, but unless you regularly go there to search for your name you might be shouting into the void for a month before you realize no one is hearing.
Lemmy is worse on one hand and better on the other. You could be banned from an instance for much more spurious reasons than you'll be banned on Reddit, but you then you can just move to another instance.
I've had the opposite experience.
On Reddit I've actually had to self-censor my comments to avoid them from being nuked from orbit by Automoderator. I legit can't use words like 'incel', 'OnlyFans', 'e-girl', 'Trump' etc on most subreddits. It actually feels liberating to be able to speak my mind here.
Idk about much more spurious reason, could just be a specific mod thing that you came across on here but not on reddit. I could be wrong but I don't see any reason lemmy would be worse on this metric.
By spurious I mean there is a wider pool of weaker reasons for banning.
Would you think the frequency and application of bans on say lemmygrad would be more or less spurious than Reddit or lemmy.world, for example?
I haven't personally interacted with that instance afaik, but I have heard people say it's much worse
true but this is an admin ban (sitewide). they are still arsehols
Stop! You've broken the law!
Chances are you engaged in one of the following:
Arguing an objectively correct viewpoint with a moron.
Engaged in political sarcasm.
Made use of hyperbole, facetiousness, or facetious hyperbole.
Made a mod look stupid on their alt. account.
Hurt a fascists feelings.
Engaged in dark humour. (It's like food, not everybody gets it.)
Engaged in anti-reddit activism.
Or just cause.
If you're feeling vindictive you can still request your data under GDPR every 30 days even on banned accounts and they have to comply by law.
Make sure you leave a bad review on the play/app store too, there's so many negative reviews 'absolute trash' appears as a review topic
My guy, at this point you're only abusing yourself. Time to look at the writing on the wall, that site died months ago (or years ago in my opinion), you will only suffer using it.
No one regrets getting banned from digg.
No one regrets leaving Digg in any way.
It's crazy to think or maybe my memory is misremembering history a little bit(?), but for Reddit users in general it was like "it's sad to leave this platform after +10 years" but with Digg it was mostly "yeah...fuck this place went to hell, I'm out!"
Isn't it trivial anyway, since you can still create unlimited anonymous accounts via old.reddit? I guess getting banned may actually matter for the subs that have a karma minimum to post, but...
...You could also just not use reddit.
Isn’t it trivial anyway, since you can still create unlimited anonymous accounts via old.reddit?
wait, you can do that? does it check IP?
Yes but IP is less useful nowadays as a way to identify users. VPNs are commonplace now, everyone has at least two or three IPs (their home, their mobile, their work/school), more than one person can be using the platform in the same place, etc.
Not to say they don't pay attention to that but it's not enough on it's own.
sweet. well ill give it a shot for education and see how long it lasts. when i was permabanned my old alts also got banned within a few days (even though i hadnt used them in months)
I had over 10 different reddit accounts throught the years. Few of them were banned from certain subs but I just came back later with a different account and they never banned me again. I'm using a VPN though.
sweet. new test account on old reddit good so far, I'm expecting to wake up to it banned. will see. no VPN
If you use it from the same IP, browser, device, or App, that you have previously used with any banned account, then you'll likely get it banned for ban evasion.
that's what I expect as well. will see how long it takes
yeah banned again, took about 12 hours. lovely aggressive message about my 'multiple, repeated violations'. VPN sounds better idea, tried it once but was also banned again quick, someone suggested the IP might have previously been used for similar things
They also fingerprint your browser, so make sure to clear any data Reddit can access.
It checks IP for things like you trying to boost your own posts. Beyond that it's fine.
It's never been something I've done, and I can't say I really care, but that would make it difficult to comment in subreddits with a karma threshold.
Well there’s subreddits created specifically for garnering enough karma to post around Reddit.
Ban their domain name in yours "hosts" file
Stop giving them views and complain about it
Reddit? That’s still a thing?
Yes but it's in decline
Definitely not
Sure, you can close your eyes and live in a make believe world. But Reddit clearly still has a ton of activity.
And that activity will MySpace itself just as fast. It seems to me that's their goal. All that investment money hates free speech.
I can not see any decrease in activity, but I am only active in one sub, so I don't know. From all I hear... they are fine for now.
If you go to the modcoord subreddit, that is not the case everywhere. There have been several posts from mods complaining that their numbers are down, and they’re spending all their time modding to combat bot accounts. Reddit recently implemented a social credit score as well that not even mods can access. And they were vague as hell about what would make your score high/low.
Reddit recently implemented a social credit score as well that not even mods can access.
This is the first I've heard about this. Got any more info about it? A quick Google search just gives me Reddit results from people talking about China's social credit score system instead.
Holy shit that took me longer than expected to find.
Reddit's u/spez liked what Musk was doing with Twitter 𝕏... just look at how that's going, to know where Reddit is heading.
No question, but I see a ton of activity on Reddit. A few 10'000 moving to Lemmy is not going to matter for now.
Also: just call it Twitter.
Lemmy is possibly over 300K now, with the whole fediverse over 12 million, but maybe only 4 million active. Reddit claims 1.7 billion active users, while some sources claim they only have 300M.
It's really BS counts anyways, they don't count interactions, or quality of interactions. From my time on Reddit, the quality had been going steadily down, then took a nosedive around 2021.
And even on TV they call it "X, formerly Twitter", so that's going to be it. They should register the x-formerly-twitter.com domain 😈
People are saying there's lots of bots on reddit now
There are lots of bots on Lemmy. Much more than I see in Reddit.
Reddit, people, need to explain why; is it a insta ban ? If you’re not explaining the reason nor linking the post in question; you’re offering zero path back
One more reason to delete Reddit
They are doing this to reduce the reliance on mods. Tbf appeals almost never worked, but not linking content is explicitly to obscure accountability. It becomes harder to show that reddit moderation is garbage, even more so since the shortage, and much easier to automate.
They used to link to the content... then you followed the link, and all it said was "Removed by Reddit". Guess they're saving you a step there 🤷
They linked to comments and the sub too. Change the url from reddit.com/whatever to reveddit.com/whatever and you can see most of deleted comments.
And even with a link you can see which comment it was in context and argue reddit was wrong/made the wrong decision/trying to burry something. They can also just ban people from discussions and claim it was "something they did in the past" but not say what.
Reddit is not doing this to save you a click.
reveddit.com/whatever and you can see most of deleted comments.
Deleted, not edited comments. The linked comment would be edited to say "Removed by Reddit", which reveddit wouldn't see as a deleted comment, and it didn't keep an edit history so there was no way to see what the comment said before (I know, I tried).
You could see it in context, but if you thought you didn't break any rules, that wouldn't help much, and no way to argue it.
Anyway, my best ban was for "violent content" from a sub with no link. Decided to blank the last month of comments... and got suspended site wide for repeated "violent content" offense. Blanked 10 years of comments... and that bought me 2 more years before getting suspended again, and perma banned when I appealed the suspension.
Cherry on the top: a couple months after being perma-banned site-wide, last week I got banned from a sub. Reason: link to a blanked comment, "breaking the sub rules". OK 🥱
I got banned from Reddit while I was on a work trip to the USA. Hadn't posted in over a year at the time. I'm absolutely mystified as to why.
They refer you to the content policy but they won't tell you which post might violate it. I asked a few times what it was that caused the ban, but they either just referred to the content policy or once they said "Repeated violations".
I actually requested my user data so I could stick up my complete post history publicly and see if anyone else could figure it out. My username was / is sirdeadbeef on reddit.
I haven't put any work into displaying them nicely, this is the format you get them in if you request your data:
Hmm, what the acutal f_? Read all the comments, couldn't figure it out in the slightest.
You probably commented on one of the verboten subreddits. That's how I got most of my bans.
So stop using Reddit
Reddit is trash
If I get banned for silly comments I'll find a new instance.
I've never been banned
"appeal" just means you are gonna waste time typing a message to a smelly incel dog walker on a power trip that isn't gonna read it. Fuck that place.
I got one for insiding violence, and it was something that everybody could fucking agree on, like punching Nazis or something. I don't remember what it was so long ago. It's fucking bullshit though.
I got a permaban for posting a link to Trevor Moore's song time for guillotines in response to a guy asking for song recommendations for some random mandatory work bullshit where they are force to chose a song to play.... apparently the word "guillotine" is the reddit equivalent to running over a baby with a lawn mower. I had no warnings or anything on that account, just poof permaban.
TBf, they were probably worried about you getting every man, woman, and child in America to gangrape Janet Yellen and Jerome Powell until they died. There's a line about it in the funny song, therefore it's a real threat.
Nope, I hat would be a reasonable reason considering reddit has the sense of humor of a nun in Iowa. I was told angerly by lump in a basement mod that it was 100% because of the word Guillotine. This was on r/antiwork so it was probably the dog walking gargoyle .
I got one for saying we should destroy a bridge in Königsberg in the name of Euler.
Unfortunately, Reddit's so-called "Anti-Evil Operations" team doesn't look at context and said I was inciting terrorism.
They permanently banned me for saying we should be more progressive and intellectual as a country. Someone complained that I was "inciting people to violence," (?!?!!) for saying this. They never bothered to read anything I posted. So, to hell with Reddit and its scummy staff of moderators - they are the absolute worst people imaginable.
Hey if spez wants another shithole site full of Nazis, more power to him.
Anyone using Reddit for more than search results is doing it wrong. If you have your own content, figure out how to host it yourself and get on the Fediverse.
Reddit has been aggressively banning people for many years. People used to cheer it on because it was mostly aimed at conservatives, but they've expanded and created what appears to be a first-strike policy with no appeal. Now it's affecting everyone. I support consistent application of the rules, but their rules are petty, arbitrary, and broad. A famous example is how they ban people for racism, unless it's racism towards white people. That was literally written into the site rules until recently.
I think Reddit is a lost cause. They peaked long ago and now they're coasting on their moat. As other services like Lemmy gain traction, Reddit will continue to decline, and they will continue to aggressively monetise the remaining users. The only thing to lament is the information already stored on the site.
I got banned for racism against white people earlier this year, but I appealed it and they unbanned me. That's because I explained I wasn't attacking the people who are labelled as white, I was attacking the label of whiteness itself. Whiteness was invented by trans-atlantic slave traders in order to justify what they were doing and create solidarity between europeans in the new world as they oppressed nonwhite people and enjoyed the privileges of oppressing together. It's perfectly reasonable to attack the idea of whiteness as a big load of baloney. Also, any person who feels attacked by attacks on whiteness obviously considers whiteness part of their identity, which is shitty because, again, whiteness is fake. Whiteness shouldn't be part of anyone's self-identity because it's nonsense.
I'd be okay with your rationalisation if you followed similar logic for "blackness." Do you? Is it okay for me to attack blackness, and call it dirty and bad?
I would follow a similar logic for blackness if blackness had been created by black slavers who were using it to define themselves as better than everyone else and to justify slavery of nonblack people. However, that isn't what happened. Black people didn't choose to be black. They were kidnapped onto boats and told they were black. They were isolated from their native cultures and shoved into plantations with strangers from halfway across Africa who had no language, culture, or religion in common. They sure as shit didn't want to be black, they wanted to go back to the way things were before. But blackness is the only thing their children grew up knowing.
Is blackness fake? Yes. Is identifying as black a declaration of supremacy? No.
Since you've admitted you accept discrimination on the basis of race, that makes you, quite literally, a racist. I'm sure you think your racism is justified and righteous and good, but all racists think that. You're not special. You're just racist.
Your recount of history is wild. There were absolutely black slaves, but did you know that there have been millions of white slaves too? Slave markets flourished on the Barbary Coast of North Africa, in what is modern-day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and western Libya, between the 15th and middle of the 19th century. The North African slave markets traded in European slaves which were acquired by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Spain, Portugal, France, England, the Netherlands, and as far afield as the Turkish Abductions in Iceland. Men, women, and children were captured to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned. According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and Ottoman Empire between the 15th and 19th centuries.
My own Irish ancestors were also the victims of genocide in the Potato Famine. No one has a hereditary claim on suffering. If you go far enough back in anyone's past you'll find cruelty and subjugation, no matter their skin colour. That you'd try to make it a competition to justify your racism is, I think, quite awful.
I'm starting to think your ban was justified. you're absolutely obsessed with race.
This is all utter nonsense though.
The reality is for some reason people they are considered "white" and some people are considered "black".
It's because of the colour of their skin if you skin didn't notice.
Why are people like you just falling over yourselves to invent more facile nonsense?
It's not because of the colour of their skin. Black people don't literally have black skin, white people don't literally have white skin, Indians and Latines aren't black, and Asians aren't white. If you look at the average black person and see black skin, literally black skin, then your perceptions have been distorted by racism.
The fact that people think whiteness and blackness are real, and sometimes treat people differently based on those labels, makes them real. That's how concepts and words work.
Er, I get where you’re coming from, but white and black people are physiologically different.
Not in intelligence or any of the other bullshit racists spout, of course. But there are differences in the way people’s bodies handle things like medication and disease which usually correlates with skin color.
@KairuByte@smellythief In a sense though, from my understanding, it has more to do with ethnicity (where you were born and who your parents are) and its impact on genetics than just skin color by itself, ex: sickle cell anemia (though a case could theoretically made for any conditions/medications that specifically interact with things like melanin).
Did someone call you a mayo, you poor thing?
I never talk about my exes.
Yesterday's gone. It's a new day.
Long live Lemmy!
And yet here you are
All I see is a picture of God.
I got the same exact thing. I think it's because I reported Spez and said "you smell"
Another reminder to never trust a site run by a guy who has sex with busty cats.
dumb thing is they’ll ban you even when you didn’t violate any rules. insane.
I got my final ban for criticizing trump
That's crazy because I got a final ban for criticizing Biden.
Have you read The Trial? Funny how history repeats itself, even if it's from "fiction".
reddit finds a way to make their ban system somehow even worse
The Nazi admins won.
For now.
Nah, we aren't taking back Reddit. It's going to die off with those idiots still in control.
Precisely my point.
I got permabanned for repeating a meme from the Fark days, yet there are posts of the exact same thing from 12+ years ago that are still up with no issue. Even noting that when I appealed the ban I got the canned "we totally reviewed it, fuck you lol" response.
The only other time I had an issue was when I got a three day suspension for upvoting a Ghislaine Maxwell related post.
Appeal rejected, but familiarize yourself with the content policy for future reference?
I imagine they're banning people all over the place now, I got banned from a sub for talking about apartheid in Israel a while ago.
Just FYI, sub level bans have nothing to do with the admins, that’s all on the mods.
!redditalternatives
I got one the other day for "promoting hate" because somebody else started a fight and didn't like the fact that I called them out and insulted them back in the process.
The message I got contained a link which pointed to a comment that said: "Deleted by Reddit".
It was a pretty new comment so I knew what it was about, but had it been some old comment they reported instead I wouldn't have been able to successfully appeal it.
Possibly even worse is the fact that the comment remained deleted even after the ban was appealed.
I have been banned pre-emptively from subreddits for making comments in other subreddits. The the sad part was my involvement in those toxic community's was to get them to see the other side in a reasonable way. If anyone had actually read the comment there would not have been a ban. I even appealed the ban and they told me I shouldn't even be there and it doesn't matter. Talk about being close minded and toxic!
(It was left wing subreddits banning me for arguing with right wingers in their own spaces, but I did in a soft way that didn't get me outright banned - it showed me that the left wing extreme groups are just as bad as the right - extremism needs to end full stop)
The fact that behavior was allowed on reddit should have been a red flag a long time ago.
Got banned from r/offmychest for "participating" in incel subs.
The thing is I was trolling in those subs. I should have been banned from them, not r/offmychest.
I got banned from there too because I used to go on /r/4chan back in 2011. I was an edgy teenager back then.
They apparently fetched every comment that had ever been made to that subreddit and banned everyone. It happened in like 2015-2016, long after I stopped going on any subreddit like that.
It's something of a reddit truism that nearly all the subs that ban you for posting elsewhere are either lefty subs or subs that are run by mods who also mod lefty subs.
Most right wing, incel, etc, etc anyone else you're likely to challenge subs actually require you to break their rules, and most of the time unless you're outright obnoxious about it will let downvotes and debate do the work. Except for r/conservative, who is fiercely defensive of their bubble.
The mods on justiceserved will ban anyone that posts/comments in a conservative subreddit despite the content of the comment.
Yeah, I got banned for posting in a Joe Rogan subreddit, and as OP was saying, I was calling out toxic viewpoints with a dissertation on how machio and toxic behavior can be destructive to friends and family. I was insta banned from the justiceserved within minutes. I laughed, shrugged and moved on
I had similar experiences, and couldn't understand why they would discourage dialog and discussion around various issues. The thing is, they don't actually want dialog, they want to stamp out opposition to their views as though it never existed.
If you were actually harassing somebody I couldn’t care less. When you’re banned what does that look like though? Can you not view anything?
Sounds like you've never been banned in Reddit. You don't realise how differently mods on power trip understand the word "harrassment". Or anything else.
Reddit is a trash place in general.
About 3 months ago I was banned for saying "People have the right to use like force to defend themselves against an attacker, including using deadly force. It's not a happy outcome. But neither is being a victim." It was a comment on an article about a homeowner who killed a burglar, so context is king. /r/news banned me and reported me for "threatening violence". Then I got an account warning (whatever that means) by Reddit.
When I contacted the admin team, I got a ban for abusive reporting.
%reddit%.com is now blocked in my DNS. Fuck those fucks, they don't even deserve my ad revenue from searches.
I said that I would smack someone from a story, and clearly in a figurative way. Banned for promoting physical violence. Okay?
(I've never hit anyone ever, by the way.)
Reddit has a strict nonviolence in comments policy, whether it be in support of self defence, or defence of others. Exclusions apply to some extent in supporting state sanctioned police and military violence.
It's not that strict. There was a thread full of people advocating the torture and murder of HP printer executives for their printer bullshit and nothing happened to any of them. I know because I was banned the day before for saying something similar about child molesters and kept an eye on that thread. I asked what the difference was in my appeal and just got their canned response that the ban was going to be upheld. Reddit admins care about specifically creating a safe space for child molesters... for some reason...
Yet they let the post about the break in and shooting be posted. You just can't comment on what was in the post? How stupid Reddit has become.
And then they turn around and host tons of fight subs showing video of people getting the tar beat out of them. If that's what adults want to watch then more power to them but so much for the whole "no mentions of violence are allowed" rule.
they're not OK with violence except this type of violence which is an overwhelming type of violence
But yeah fr fr they only reason they banned /thedickhead is because they started going after the cops. Extremely mask off considering all the other shit they said leading up to that point was way more violent but it was against people they didn't like so it was permissible.
I was permanently banned on my first account of 11 years for saying "everyone would want to punch Nazis", no prior issues ever, the appeal was instantly rejected. I was permanently banned on my next account for making the mistake of saying I was banned on my other account about 2 years after the fact. From that point on I was fully IP banned so I could only use Reddit with a VPN made account. If I ever accidentally logged in on my computer because I forgot, even years later, instantly banned. All because I said Nazis should get punched. As far as I'm concerned, this all started when China got involved in Reddit via Tencent and Ellen Pao. Reddit just, BY TOTAL RANDOM COINCIDENCE, became super defensive about anything China or communist related and started handing out bans any time people said no no words (sounds like TikTok to me.)
Yeah. Reddit went downhill..
Reddit was literally created to be a hangout for pedo nazis. Reddit never fell, it was never good.
Reddit was literally created to be a hangout for pedo nazis.
Yeah suuuuure.. 😅😅😅
ip ban wears off after a month or two
No they don't. I can say that with confidence as it happened several times. The reason was always "ban evasion" and there were several months in between. So either someone else used the IP in that time and got banned and refreshed it, or you're just wrong.
Huh.
I had the same thing happen. Even a ten year account I didn't use was included and any I made for a few weeks. So I left new qccounts alone and only used my banned account to view for quite awhile, then decided to make another account one day and it's been working fine for quite a few months now. I made sure to not add all the same subs I used to have and just slowly integrated what I wanted back in.
Maybe it was longer than a couple months now that I think about it, but I still think there is a limit.
nope, just tested over 3 months, account flagged in about 12 hours
The message and the is sitewide and from reddit. Subreddit mods weren't involved
You’re right. I haven’t been banned on Reddit. I was more of a lurker though. Didn’t participate in any political/sexuality/gender things either.
Your account still works, you can still view everything (excluding those that have blocked you), but you have a banner at the top that says you're banned and you can't vote, post or comment. You can't send messages or use chat either.
You can still edit your previous comments and posts.
Justified or not, reddit have clearly stepped up their banning protocols, around 6 months or so ago or maybe even late last year (ie before the planned API price rise, well before even the announcements).
LMFAO.
"Your account still works"
lists all the many many ways your account no longer works
Lol yeah. But mainly you still have all your subscribed subreddits, multireddits and all that. Going from the front page of an account you've built up over many years to the latest default reddit can be a bit of a shock.
Like I say though, the more annoying thing is the way it's supposed to be a passive reddit experience, but all the buttons for voting and replying are still there. Yet, if you click them you get a pop up reminding you, and you can't scroll again until you dismiss it. They should just remove the buttons.
IMO those are the least important aspects of an account. It takes very little time to resub to a list of subs you have right in front of you and turn them into a new multi. Overall the way bigger issue here is: everyone get the fuck off Reddit it's fucking trash.
It takes very little time to resub to a list of subs you have right in front of you and turn them into a new multi.
Depends how many subreddits. There are maybe tools around to make it a little easier, but you have to find them and dig them out of github.
everyone get the fuck off Reddit it’s fucking trash.
Yes to reddit being trash, but I wouldn't be so exclusive. Sometimes you need to dig through the trash. Just be sure to remember that it's trash, and wash yourself afterwards.
I can't fathom going back to being a user there, it's just too abusive and such a bad experience, but I'll use old threads that come up on Google for their information, sure.
It's very easy to fall into the habit of reading a conversation and wanting to chime in. But yeah, the nature of the conversation on reddit has definitely changed over the years. The irony is that this is probably somewhat astroturfed to "increase user engagement", when it is ultimately driving users away.
Well then I’d like OP to share his comment history with us.
If they're banned, then you won't see their comments on their profile, just a banned icon. They might not see them on their own profile either on new reddit, however they can still access their profile on old reddit. This shows 1,000 comments in each list (New, Top, Hot, Controversial, with the date filters) but not necessarily everything.
Incidentally, the tools most people used to edit/delete their reddit history only targeted these lists, so they'd quite often miss things - if you had a profile with lots of comments over a long time, with old comments that had low but not controversial karma, then these wouldn't end up in your profile lists. As of late 2022/early 2023. Aside from all the comments reddit restored after people deleted (which they blamed on their CDN issues, as if that somehow absolved them), many people thought they'd deleted everything but in fact they'd left plenty of comments behind. They then deleted their accounts and now cannot access them, the vast majority are probably unaware.
You should still be able to see their comments and posts where they are, so long as they haven't been removed. However whatever got them banned was no doubt also removed.
Even if you're banned, you can still make GDPR requests, which Reddit is required to comply with. They include your entire comment history.
Yep, and, at least until the API change, you could feed that into tools to make sure you got all of them. I didn't see any of the comments I deleted in this way restored, however I did see comments restored when using the tools on my profile.
Why? Even in a world where OP is an asshole Reddit should still tell you what comment is getting you banned and give you the opportunity to dispute it. That's the main problem here, unilateral decisions you never have any insight on.
True, but I hate getting people riled up and commenting, if in the end this guy was actually just a POS.
Edit: The web archive history shows they post in all the same type of communities and like talking about all of the same stuff that will get you the same end result here on Lemmy. Just seems like a human thing at this point when discussing politics/gender/sexuality. Like most other places it seems to take just a handful of people reporting you and you’re gone.
Id rather confess to the murder
Last I checked I could still vote, just not coming on anything
Reddit admins' definition of harassment now includes singular insults if the admin is feeling particularly power-trippy. Doesn't even have to be a swear word, my last alt got permabanned for calling someone (who I'd never interacted with before) a moron.
Reminds me of when someone on an anime subreddit got permabanned for posting a tweet from Abroad in Japan.
Stop using Reddit, they're a total fraud of an online forum. They banned me for daring to stick up for gay people and for being on the left side of politics, though i never said anything harmful or violent of any kind at any time. They are currently being sued for disingenous hate crime practices of banning people with differing viewpoints.
That's real fuckin bullshit.
It is just reddit social site, make a new account 😂
Lemmy is even easier tho. Get a ban? Spawn another relentlessly as it is even more anon than Reddit.
Yeah, I got a temp ban for asking if someone’s ex, which they described as a “politician who was a habitual liar” described themselves as Jew-“ish” in reference to George santos.
Appealed, no response. Submitted a support ticket, no response.
I get that it could look bad, but cmon this is a widely known individual.
Edit: Moved a double quote
A homeless guy had taken a hostage in my city. One commenter said "I hope this poor man gets the help he deserves". That comment was at -17. So I comment "Light em up boys" and I get like +30 because it's pretty funny. And that is a "call to violence" so I got perma'd.
Light em up boys? What did you mean by that? Did you reply to that comment, or as a top level response? Did you think you were being sarcastic?
That means that instead of giving that homeless person medical treatment they should just shoot him.
The wording, "light em up boys", refers to how cops might talk to each other and how the cops won't give the dude help they're definitely going to kill him. The entire joke implies I don't think he deserves help and instead he deserves to get gunned down in the street.
yeah go fuck yourself
No
It seems Lemmy doesn't like it either.
The internet should have always been taken with a grain of salt, but nowadays half of society lives on the web and have made it into the shitshow it is now.
I was unemployed for a couple weeks and spent them on my phone wasting away time between interviews so to say, i lost touch of reality so quickly to the point where just being allowed to live your life had become alien to me. I currently work at a construction company and i've quickly realized you can still live your life even though people don't agree because they have no control over you.
Clown company doing clown things.
To be fair, I'm not aware of any fediverse instances or other reddit alternatives that even have an appeals process. Reddit might be throwing away its best features, but it is a feature its competitors don't even have yet.
On the Fediverse, you can go to a different instance.
And get re-banned if you post on the first instance from the remote. You can still be kicked out of communities because of misunderstandings and power tripping admins.
Every online community I've ever seen has it's fieflords.
At least with lemmy, if mods / admins regularly over-step, alternative communities can easily replace them.
That was possible on Reddit too. Every single sub with overbearing mods could have been replaced at any time with an alternative. A bunch of alternatives tried to get off the ground, some succeeded more than others, but most never overcame the original, if they ever picked up at all.
It'll be the same way here. If the community doesn't leave the original home because they're "settled there", alternatives will not grow.
This entire migration from Reddit should make it it very, very plain how utterly impossible it is to get large groups of users to move. Reddit is all but whipping them with jumper cables right now and they're still using it.
You can't just expect communities to move because the admins suck. You have to actually attract them there.
Not really. Reddit is a single platform, you get the same overbearing comment-editing admins, with the same tunnel-vision automod tools and black-hole recurse process no matter what new sub you make.
Moving people off a platform is the hardest part, they need to learn new tools an ways of doing things... and TL;DR you lost them.
On lemmy and the fediverse, leaving unwelcoming mods/admins behind is as easy as going to another instance, no need to change the ways of using it. Still need to attract that community, but it's orders of magnitude easier on a federated platform.
A good point well made.
Yeah, I haven't used Lemmy in a month because this site is more transphobic than Reddit. I'll be here more now that Reddit isn't an option, but it's not like I think this place is good either. Lemmy needs to step up its game.
Well that's very disappointing if true. Could you give an example?
Btw, just to be clear-- Lemmy isn't "one site," so you're likely to get a wide range of reactions depending on issue/cause where you happen to be (communities, instances).
Look at my sub c/chaotesvspatriarchy. I created it on Reddit, moved it to Lemmy during the protests, and gave up on it after a while because lemmy.world users would see trans memes and downvote.
c/twoxchromosomes@slrpnk.net is also an absolute terf magnet that I tried to get shut down
You are probably on a transphobic instance. Try to go on an LGBTQ+ instance, there are a lot of them. Example: https://lib.lgbt
The worst I've ever seen in 20 years is Horatio on the "Battlefront" forum on Ars Technica. The very definition of a "Little Caesar Bitch." He was Microsoft's Semper Fi Guardian, and an absolute cunt. He lobbied very, very hard for his mod status, and blatantly abused his power over anyone who criticized Microsoft in any way. I'm convinced he's really Steve Ballmer.
Why would you go back to a community you don't agree with? There is a reason there are like 20+ "cats" communities on so many different instances; you can pick a different one, or start one yourself (and be the mod you want), or even a whole instance (and be the admin you want).
Sometimes some of the users are nice and you want to hang with them. Sometimes it's just a misunderstanding. Sometimes you have a political motivation and are motivated not by self-interest to hang with cool people, but by a moral duty to make the world a better place
Create a community and invite over the nice users? If it's just a misunderstanding, try talking it out with the mods? If you have a political motivation... sorry, can't help you there, most online forums are not the place to run a campaign that doesn't align with the nod's views, there is no free speech protection on non-government property.
"Because trolling makes my dick hard."
Lemmy.dbzer0.com has an appeals matrix channel 😁
Hey db0, love your instance
Yeah, but that doesn't matter when the rules of dbzer0 prohibit prosocial behaviour. It's against the instance rules to insult someone for being a nazi.
Sorry I don't think that's exactly true
Honestly, I don’t think a message board has to have one. If a mod is powertripping, then why would you want to be a part of the community? If they’re not, then you’re probably not a good fit for the community and the mod doesn’t have to deal with trolls and angry back-and-forth’s.
That isn't to say what Reddit did isn’t wrong. They established that system and they have a culture of appeals. Suddenly removing that isn’t really fair from a “social contract” or whatever perspective.
Example: To make sure nonsensical posts, for example from tankies, get countered.
Same example: I an not supposed to disrupt their little get-together-with-bullshit.
Why are any of us entitled to that though? If they don’t want us around then they can show us the door. To use (at least to me) a better example: why should LGBT communities have to allow people to debate them on whether or not it’s a choice? If they don’t want to, they shouldn’t have to. They may just want a corner to be together and chat.
We aren’t entitled to a debate if people don’t want to participate you know?
For one thing this is why echo chambers are dangerous. They have real world implications. For another though, there's a difference between a debate and downright trolling or inciting behavior regardless of topic. Conflating the two is kind of disingenuous.
And if you don't want to debate you don't put that information on a public forum because debate is literally a baked in feature of public forums. That part of the reason they exist. You're putting something out into public. It doesn't just belong to you anymore/doesn't just affect you anymore. That's literally the basis for a lot of civil rights laws and why you can't yell fire in a crowded theater.
You can't just say a stereotype or something racist in public. What should in theory be happening is people of the LGBTQ should have the same protections under the law (anti-discrimination) as other protected groups get.
If the community is founded on that as a rule (no discrimination) and the comment is in violation that's one thing. Ban people. Do what you need to to follow the rules, enforce the rule, and protect the community. But at the same time discourse in a community isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Do you not want nonsensical posts on your LGBTQ communities about "gay frog water" or whatever to face discourse? Do you not want people in the community to counter anyone bold enough to claim that as fact?
I’m not conflating so much as saying the line between them can be incredibly thin and hard to find. Additionally, some people are ignorant/hard headed/saying horrible things but they’re also completely unaware of the issue so where do you say “that’s enough”? Some people also hide behind rules and weaponize speech so they can use it as cudgel to cause issues in a community. It is exhausting dealing with these people sometimes and some communities just don’t want to, which I think is their prerogative!
I get why my stance is getting pushback. I just think ultimately it’s up to a community how much they want to deal with friction. Some people don’t. That’s fine!
Communities can be built to be insular and require things of their members that would allow for what you seem to want but that involves a time investment to vet users and essentially make the community read only for people who aren't members. That comes with a whole host of other problems but it is doable.
Protest is a fundamental part of a functioning government, a functioning society, and a functioning community. I've been a mod on queer forums, and I always gave people a way to argue their case so long as they were engaging in respectful debate. I would tell people the boundaries and make sure they followed them. For example, if someone wants to say I'm not really nonbinary, I'll argue the point with them because it's my duty as a community leader, but I will establish they must gender me correctly and not use slurs for the duration of the debate, even if they disagree. They're welcome to make their disagreement while respecting me, and usually they couldn't manage that balance and I banned them. They would run out of patience before I did. It is absolutely essential that community moderators have an abundance of patience.
But not everyone wants to mod that community and not every community wants that debate to be happening. I am very grateful for your work and I have run communities that encourage discussion as well, but it’s not really a moral imperative or legal requirement or anything. Every community has its own culture, tone, rules, expectations, etc.
Again, I think it’s great that you run a community that operates like that and I think those discussions are very important and good for our society. Thank you for doing it, truly. But not every single Internet community has to allow extensive debate.
You and I have very different ideas about the moral responsibilities of people in authority. I think it's essential that leaders be held to a higher standard in all cases.
I guess, it’s all good. I just feel like if I ran a PTSD board I shouldn’t have to allow folks who deliberately trigger people under the guise of debate and such because they “follow the rules.” I’m not saying that you would allow that, I just think that is much more at the forefront for me. I really do respect your position and I’m glad we have you running communities.
Oh yeah I don't allow that sort of thing. I let people be harder on me as a leader than I'd let them be to people I'm responsible for protecting. If I'm to be worthy of power within a community then I have to be willing and able to advocate for the community. That means taking zero tolerance towards attacks on others, and embodying the community's best values to the face of those who disagree. I always give troublemakers clear requirements for remaining in the community if that's what they want. Protest is essential to social health, but it must be done without hate, and it's better for animosity to be directed towards leaders than members.
It doesn't have to have a fair appeals policy, but an instance that has an appeals policy is one that you would probably want to join more. So an instance should have a fair appeals policy, because that's what the users who use the instance want - assuming the instance wants users.
As for what reddit did, there's a lot of pulling the rug out that you're casually ignoring. Reddit is what it is because of the users that contributed to it. In spite of Huffman talking about "their dataset", they don't actually own the data - it belongs to the users, reddit merely has a license.
Now, reddit is trying to change the rules - as a user, you're no longer in charge of the subreddit you created and became moderator of anymore, you're expected to serve "will of the users" (as defined by reddit admin), the users you attracted to the house you built. Reddit was founded on the idea "if you don't like it, make your own space, and users will flock towards the better one".
Reddit changed the moderator code of conduct. And yet, if you strictly apply the moderator code of conduct as they sometimes do, it completely undermines many of the bans that reddit admin also enforce. They're hypocrits, now all they want is to exploit everyone that put them where they are.
Because the size of a community matters, and they're not fungible. Back on reddit, my city's subreddit was run by power-tripping mods. Sure, I could try to create an alternative -- and somebody actually did -- but it had multiple orders of magnitudes fewer users than the original sub and almost nobody would actually see what you posted there, so what's the fucking point?
The entire reason I wanted to comment in the original sub was to try to politically persuade and influence people in my city. Censoring me from that sub was extremely effective even if alternatives theoretically existed.
But your city has other communities on other platforms and local social meetups. You don’t have to use Reddit.
Well, I don't use Reddit anymore -- it has joined the list of oligarch-owned shit that I'm boycotting (along with Facebook and Twitter). And yes, I do participate in local politics IRL.
But that still doesn't invalidate what I wrote. The fact is that these platforms have too much fucking power as de-facto replacements for the public forum, and whether you refuse to use them or you get kicked out from them, it marginalizes you in a very real way that affects the real world. That's a problem even if the possibility exists to go commune with other rejects on a platform the majority don't give a shit about.
Not to mention, if I had a nickel for every real-world event hosted by a real-world local government, community, or activist organization that I missed because it was only advertised on Facebook, I'd have a big pile of nickels.
Oh I completely agree these platforms have too much power. Zero argument here. I’m just saying on an individual basis you have other options. But yeah i get what you’re saying
I got a temp ban for 'trolling' here on .world a few weeks back. Literally no notice at all. Had to go to the discord and ask. They instantly reversed it because they could tell I hadn't been trolling.
Ehh . . sort of?
Appealing a ban for a social media post is . . . I dunno. Weird.
Well in this case, my best guess is I've been banned because I contacted a mod team that doesn't want to hear from me. Problem is, they're leaking sensitive chats from back when I was a mod and using them to attack me on other platforms. I asked them to stop. I'm a victim of harassment, but they probably reported me and the Reddit employees don't care enough about doing their jobs to investigate. I've been in situations like this before, and I was able to resolve it through the appeals process. But that's not going to happen if they don't tell me precisely why I've been banned or let me appeal it.
A surefire way to make a company care, is to sue them. Just saying.
I already contacted the police about the situation and they said it's not illegal. And I'm way too poor to sue a billion dollar company.
IANAL, but if they're using private conversation contents without your permission to harass you... that sounds illegal to me.
And you don't need to be rich to sue anyone. To win the case, maybe, but not just to sue.
The law doesn't exist to protect people, it exists to protect capital. If you're expecting to law to help trans people deal with abuse, you're looking up the wrong tree.
I gave it up. ✌🏼
Most instances have some way of contacting the admins and talking things out. Unlike Reddit's "did anyone even read this?" process, they tend to be actual people who actually answer.
No, they don't. You can't contact the admins from an account you can't log into, and you can't log into a suspended account. Also, your PMs won't be seen by any user native to a remote instance you've been banned from, including admins.
First, there is email, discord, element, etc. Check your instance for contact options, they usually have some. Second, you can use an alt account from anywhere in the fediverse to PM people. If you're honest about it, you can find a way.
Or... if you know you broke the rules and plan on doing it again, just move onto some other instance more accepting of your profile, there are 1000+ ones to choose from.
I got banned for telling someone it's important to check for cancer, on a post about a sports person that died from rectal cancer, and I was banned permanently for "harassment".
I appealed and lost.
Yeah, bad actors have weaponised the harassment rule to get people banned. I was banned because a tankie sub - that I had previously thought was cool - banned me from out of nowhere with an automated message and no explanation. Putting 2 & 2 together it was clearly for an anti-tankie post I made on a different sub. Literally a kind of harassment in itself. When I said "What the fuck?" In my reply, I was banned reddit-wide.
Like they've gotta just be fishing for anything they can call harasment to get their ideological enemies kicked.
The distinction between mod subreddit bans and site wide bans is basically gone
Yeah I got banned from greenandpleasent the same time Russia invaded Ukraine because it was taken over by a bunch of boot lickers and likely actual paid russian shills, probably some of the same crowd hosting hexbear et al. And got a site wide ban soon after...
What is a tankie?
Fans of this (and not the guy standing there):
Years of being on reddit has conditioned me to always respond to this picture with
So brave
I literally cannot stop myself from posting it.
Its an epithet for authcoms (authoritarian communists) and MLs (Marxists-Leninists). Essentially referring to justifications of using tanks / violence to quash uprisings or dissent.
In a weird way, it's kind of "so left wing it curled round the back and ended up on the far right".
If you think of "left wing" as in "we support Pol Pot, Stalin, Putin etc" rather than "let's open a community-run vegan art cafe to promote understanding between diverse social groups".
Wikipaedia article here
I agree with your characterisation, but obviously I think that version of left-wing isn't really left. It's state capitalism with a red flag.
That said, I'd add that the anarchist and other libertarian leftists (ancaps stole the word libertarian from the left btw) absolutely have revolutionary aims and activities, we aren't just sitting around singing kumbaya. I didn't sense you were trying to belittle us but I wanted to add that.
You're right to give it a little more detail - my slightly silly summary skipped over a lot.
Definitely not trying to belittle anyone, though I am slightly poking fun at myself :)
Got it, that was the vibe you gave off but also since we're trying to educate I thought I'd be a bit pedantic about it :)
It wasn't a vegan art cafe, but the town I grew up in opened a community-run "Peace and Justice Center" that was a direct evolution from the protest camp that was set up at the start of the 1992 Iraq war. It lasted about 2 months because they had no idea what a peace and justice center was supposed to do. They did let several homeless people sleep there in violation of zoning regulations, though.
A stalinist communist.
There's two definitions, the former means redfash who overlook the fascist elements of former socialisms, particularly those of Marxist-Leninist orientation. (the fact they use tankie rather than redfash should tell you they're not entirely comfortable using fascist as a pejorative, want to guess why?)
The latter is basically a dog whistle used by reactionaries to mean communist. Basically a synonym of "woke" for those not overtly racist and applies to anyone with left-of-hitler politics. Think your blue maga types who swear they're progressive.
Regardless, the word was invented by the CIA to sew division among the left and should not be used by anyone.
Oh I got banned from the site. Reddit admins banned me lmao.
Yeah, I got banned from the site too.
Anybody that ever said anything that could be classed as controversial has been if someone was salty enough to report them. Reddit went from corporate influenced to corporate interested above all else.
yep, and yet somehow reddit never does anything about the report abuse for the 'self help' thing which id get dozens of PM's a day about at one point, reported them and nothing was ever done about it
If you approach things from a scientific perspective, the meaning of harassment is just "political speech I don't like". Some kinds of political speech, like protests and appeals, are important and should be allowed, but can easily be labelled harassment. Other kinds of political speech, like sexual harassment or hate speech, are bad. "Harassment" as a word isn't a useful one. Two people having a fight are harassing each other, regardless of who's right. We have created a society that hates political speech and welcomes the use of state and corporation violence to suppress dissenting politics.
I don't say this from a place of callousness. I've been a victim of the most vicious harassment and it's given me PTSD. And what I learned from the experience is, talented manipulators and people with social power will always benefit from being able to call political speech harassment.
Some communities on Lemmy have switched to calling it "misinformation". As in: you provide links to reputable sources to support your point, and it's "misinformation".
Harassment seems to be more of a label for "too many people downvoted you, and you still dared to answer".
That explains why a troll tried ban baiting me for "disinformation" when I said something they didn't like.
Yeah, that's better. Misinformation covers situations like defamation and many kinds of hate speech. Although there still needs to be a solution for stalking and sexual harassment, as long as it doesn't overlap and outlaw protest or deplatforming.
Not really:
The difference is between "I don't believe you, so you get banned" vs. "I think you're trying to mislead people, so you get banned".
Misinformation allows banning any information a mod believes to be "false", for whatever reason, no matter the proof.
(PS: if any mod doesn't agree with these definitions, they could remove this comment based on "misinformation")
God that's actually worse than my banning (I posted a Google Streetview link of a layby). Incredible. Has anyone ever appealed and won? Ever?
Yes, I did. But only because multiple subreddit mods, including all of the mods in the subreddit that triggered the ban, got behind me due to the bullshit nature of the ban.
I won my appeal once. I was banned for "hate speech". I was literally being 100% sarcastic against someone who was truly being a hateful shithead. I assume I was banned by an idiot who doesn't understand sarcasm exists, but unbanned by someone who has talked to another human before.
Person: "nien! slur slur"
You: "don't be a cracker"
Reddit: "Your comment has violated hate speech rules"
I really need context before I can get on the "mods bad" wagon for this one
Sorry, I don't know where or how I broke the rules, can you show and explain it to me?
But then how will I avoid breaking rules in the future?
"Please familiarise yourself with reddits content policy.... which doesnt matter because your banned for life anyway"
See, I'd ban you just for that. Off you pop now 😂
You have been banned for this content.
Reason: threatening violence
Perfect. Outside, now 😊
That won't be an issue.
Nothing new, actually. When I was banned years ago (suspiciously after calling out some astroturfing), they didn't give a reason either.
I pointed out that the Australian subreddits were being very obviously astro-turfed. And then I made a post naming the Aus PR companies that were openly running bot campaigns on Reddit and who was using them.
That account got banned in record fucking time lol. And no reason was given either, it was a site-wide IP ban. Luckily one call to my ISP and that was sorted lol.
They welcome the evasion since they don't actually want their number of ad impressions going down. They were just letting you know that under no circumstances were you to show anyone what's behind the curtain.
Mind if I ask how long ago you were banned? It seems like over the last 6-9 months nationalist subreddits have ended up with a huge amount of sway in gettting people banned for arguing with them.
IP ban isn't the only way they can get you though. I've had them catch me out even with a fresh IP. They fingerprint browsers, using their own implementation of backend Google captcha (you don't connect to gstatic.com, but redditstatic.com).
I think they use the email too. I once made a second with the same email and it was fine for a few minutes and then banned. I hadn't voted or commented on anything yet.
Then I made another with a brand new email on a different service and it too was banned pretty quick before I engaged with anything. That one I think was fingerprinted because my home IP changes every couple months naturally, so I wasn't on the same IP that would have been banned. Also sometime around then I started using a VPN and it was still banned, so I'm thinking it was a fingerprint.
At that point I was kinda over it but I was curious about the system. So I tried once more with another new service email, on a different IP from being on a mobile away from home. That one worked. It probably still works, but I don't remember it or the password or the email I made for it. So it's out there somewhere, but I don't care any more because this all finished up around the time reddit killed third party apps, so I found this and my app came over, so I just entered the fediverse.
I still have my NSFW account there which does still have all of my niche interests in far greater supply than I've found here so far. I've got my NSFW account here, but all the communities die pretty quick, so it's not much use yet.
Somewhat, yes. I had a bunch of alts that used similar emails, they all got axed, but one was spared, perhaps because I never clicked to confirm the email. Then I suspect they linked any remaining or new accounts with different emails via a recent desktop browser.
It was kind of cool looking into when everything was banned. Accounts I hadn't logged into for years had been banned, all together - but not immediately with the first main ban.
I think IP alone isn't enough for them to decide to ban, though.
sounds about right. I got perma banned for "harassment" for essentially saying spez is a piece of shit lol
I got perma banned because I've gotten 4 or 5 accounts banned over the years for being toxic and harassing people. I made a joking "call to violence" and they hit me with a perma.
Meh. I deserved it for sure. If they let me back on the platform I'd do it again 😈
Congratulations, fuckwit.
Thanks! Yeah there are some other websites where people share their reddit troll victims and funny comment threads where people are losing their minds. It's a fun little game to see how many people you can get.
You got me there. It really does sound like you're living life to the fullest of your potential.
It's so weird how people want to downvote you for trolling shitty Reddit. If you love it so much, go back?
I can't go back :( they fingerprinted my computer, phone, email, all of it. Allegedly I can go to a library and make a new account with a burner email but I haven't tried.
They can't fingerprint your computer, that's a lie that Moderators tell to non-techsavy users to discourage ban evasion, just use the browsing history data you and the browser voluntarily give them, use Reddit through Tor and it won't be effective, you can harass their admins constantly and they can't do a thing about it, just keep banning the accounts (unless they want to Ban Tor which I don't forsee happening at least for a while).
Just don't try pushing your luck because if you say anything too evil (i.e. threats of mass violence, mass destruction, violence or harm against the government, etc.) Dpeartment of Investigation, FBI, or Secret Service could still come after you with Tor.
Yea this recently happened to me. A had an argument with a mod and he reported a non offensive comment I had on his subreddit as a ban evasion. I got suspended for ban evasion despite not having another account. After my suspension ended he reported the exact same comment again giving me a second suspension. After the 3rd time I got banned entirely. 10+ year account with no prior suspensions/bans just gone because of one mod. Between that and RIF being gone, I'm just done with reddit.
Also ran afoul with a mod. Merari01 specifically. I reported one of his comments, and he sent it up as abuse of the report button. Insta perma banned. My account was registered in 2010.
Reddit's been awful for a while though so the loss wasn't too bad.
The only good thing that came out of the API protest was watching AwkwardTheTurtle and iBleeedOrange get stabbed in the back and purged from the site by Spez.
I dunno, I have like 15 accounts. One gets banned I move to the next lol!
Doctor eggman is that you?
I'm IP banned. doesn't matter if it's a new email, or device. I've tried many times and my accounts always get banned within 48 hrs. I haven't tried getting a new modem yet, cause I don't care that much about reddit.
Star trek mod fucked me, I hate worf.
It's almost like total control over content and no recourse is the goal! Garbage company, move on from it...
The mods over there are hardcore power trippers. And when I say power trippers, I really mean capricious, vindictive, hypocritical, arbitrary cunts.
They are over here too! A mod on world news on lemmy.ml was saying that Ukraine probably bombed their own people yesterday. Then when evidence came out that it was Russia he deleted his comment and everyone's involvement with the conversation calling him out
Well there's your problem.
Yeah I'm currently browsing everything and filtering out communities I absolutely don't want to see. Unfortunately that's the experience most new users will have here on lemmy too, and think that represents the vibe across the whole platform.
I've blocked dozens of porn communities in a month.
yeah, TONS of furries too. It used to be you could just block lemmynsfw.com (and have an alt account just for that instance if you like) but now new communities are popping up on random instances. I never know whether to block the whole instance or just the community every time.
I can't help but not read that in the Bostonian accent of the guy on the podcast now. I didn't even like the podcast much and only listened to one or two episodes, but, well, theeyrs yer praahblem.
Funny, I was actually thinking of Adam Savage on MythBusters.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
Adam Savage on MythBusters
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That mods username doesn't start with a z does it?
🏅
Yup, I was also banned from talking about China and Uyghurs on world news on lemmy.ml
https://lemmy.world/post/5697017
Not much different from Lemmy really. Atleast on reddit you get a message that you have been banned.
Dude, lemmy has a modlog that shows you everything.
Open the webpage, scroll to the bottom.
Yeah, but you don't get a notification.
Maybe not. However it would be hard to say whether this is malicious or whether it's just a development oversight on a pre-1.0 version. Or just the moderator's lack of due action.
Either way, though, I'd prefer no notification but a mod log to reddit's way, where sometimes they would notify you but other times they would shadow ban.
Yeah! Shadow banning really is awful.
Yeah I know, but unless you regularly go there to search for your name you might be shouting into the void for a month before you realize no one is hearing.
Lemmy is worse on one hand and better on the other. You could be banned from an instance for much more spurious reasons than you'll be banned on Reddit, but you then you can just move to another instance.
I've had the opposite experience.
On Reddit I've actually had to self-censor my comments to avoid them from being nuked from orbit by Automoderator. I legit can't use words like 'incel', 'OnlyFans', 'e-girl', 'Trump' etc on most subreddits. It actually feels liberating to be able to speak my mind here.
Idk about much more spurious reason, could just be a specific mod thing that you came across on here but not on reddit. I could be wrong but I don't see any reason lemmy would be worse on this metric.
By spurious I mean there is a wider pool of weaker reasons for banning.
Would you think the frequency and application of bans on say lemmygrad would be more or less spurious than Reddit or lemmy.world, for example?
I haven't personally interacted with that instance afaik, but I have heard people say it's much worse
true but this is an admin ban (sitewide). they are still arsehols
Stop! You've broken the law!
Chances are you engaged in one of the following:
Arguing an objectively correct viewpoint with a moron.
Engaged in political sarcasm.
Made use of hyperbole, facetiousness, or facetious hyperbole.
Made a mod look stupid on their alt. account.
Hurt a fascists feelings.
Engaged in dark humour. (It's like food, not everybody gets it.)
Engaged in anti-reddit activism.
Or just cause.
If you're feeling vindictive you can still request your data under GDPR every 30 days even on banned accounts and they have to comply by law.
Make sure you leave a bad review on the play/app store too, there's so many negative reviews 'absolute trash' appears as a review topic
My guy, at this point you're only abusing yourself. Time to look at the writing on the wall, that site died months ago (or years ago in my opinion), you will only suffer using it.
No one regrets getting banned from digg.
No one regrets leaving Digg in any way.
It's crazy to think or maybe my memory is misremembering history a little bit(?), but for Reddit users in general it was like "it's sad to leave this platform after +10 years" but with Digg it was mostly "yeah...fuck this place went to hell, I'm out!"
Isn't it trivial anyway, since you can still create unlimited anonymous accounts via old.reddit? I guess getting banned may actually matter for the subs that have a karma minimum to post, but...
...You could also just not use reddit.
wait, you can do that? does it check IP?
Yes but IP is less useful nowadays as a way to identify users. VPNs are commonplace now, everyone has at least two or three IPs (their home, their mobile, their work/school), more than one person can be using the platform in the same place, etc.
Not to say they don't pay attention to that but it's not enough on it's own.
sweet. well ill give it a shot for education and see how long it lasts. when i was permabanned my old alts also got banned within a few days (even though i hadnt used them in months)
I had over 10 different reddit accounts throught the years. Few of them were banned from certain subs but I just came back later with a different account and they never banned me again. I'm using a VPN though.
sweet. new test account on old reddit good so far, I'm expecting to wake up to it banned. will see. no VPN
If you use it from the same IP, browser, device, or App, that you have previously used with any banned account, then you'll likely get it banned for ban evasion.
that's what I expect as well. will see how long it takes
yeah banned again, took about 12 hours. lovely aggressive message about my 'multiple, repeated violations'. VPN sounds better idea, tried it once but was also banned again quick, someone suggested the IP might have previously been used for similar things
They also fingerprint your browser, so make sure to clear any data Reddit can access.
It checks IP for things like you trying to boost your own posts. Beyond that it's fine.
It's never been something I've done, and I can't say I really care, but that would make it difficult to comment in subreddits with a karma threshold.
Well there’s subreddits created specifically for garnering enough karma to post around Reddit.
Ban their domain name in yours "hosts" file
Stop giving them views and complain about it
Reddit? That’s still a thing?
Yes but it's in decline
Definitely not
Sure, you can close your eyes and live in a make believe world. But Reddit clearly still has a ton of activity.
And that activity will MySpace itself just as fast. It seems to me that's their goal. All that investment money hates free speech.
I can not see any decrease in activity, but I am only active in one sub, so I don't know. From all I hear... they are fine for now.
If you go to the modcoord subreddit, that is not the case everywhere. There have been several posts from mods complaining that their numbers are down, and they’re spending all their time modding to combat bot accounts. Reddit recently implemented a social credit score as well that not even mods can access. And they were vague as hell about what would make your score high/low.
This is the first I've heard about this. Got any more info about it? A quick Google search just gives me Reddit results from people talking about China's social credit score system instead.
Holy shit that took me longer than expected to find.
https://old.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/16is6dh/contributor_quality_score_available_to_all/
Reddit's u/spez liked what Musk was doing with
Twitter𝕏... just look at how that's going, to know where Reddit is heading.No question, but I see a ton of activity on Reddit. A few 10'000 moving to Lemmy is not going to matter for now.
Also: just call it Twitter.
Lemmy is possibly over 300K now, with the whole fediverse over 12 million, but maybe only 4 million active. Reddit claims 1.7 billion active users, while some sources claim they only have 300M.
It's really BS counts anyways, they don't count interactions, or quality of interactions. From my time on Reddit, the quality had been going steadily down, then took a nosedive around 2021.
And even on TV they call it "X, formerly Twitter", so that's going to be it. They should register the x-formerly-twitter.com domain 😈
People are saying there's lots of bots on reddit now
There are lots of bots on Lemmy. Much more than I see in Reddit.
Not from me. 👋🏼
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This just so bad on so many levels.
Reddit, people, need to explain why; is it a insta ban ? If you’re not explaining the reason nor linking the post in question; you’re offering zero path back
One more reason to delete Reddit
They are doing this to reduce the reliance on mods. Tbf appeals almost never worked, but not linking content is explicitly to obscure accountability. It becomes harder to show that reddit moderation is garbage, even more so since the shortage, and much easier to automate.
They used to link to the content... then you followed the link, and all it said was "Removed by Reddit". Guess they're saving you a step there 🤷
They linked to comments and the sub too. Change the url from reddit.com/whatever to reveddit.com/whatever and you can see most of deleted comments.
And even with a link you can see which comment it was in context and argue reddit was wrong/made the wrong decision/trying to burry something. They can also just ban people from discussions and claim it was "something they did in the past" but not say what.
Reddit is not doing this to save you a click.
Deleted, not edited comments. The linked comment would be edited to say "Removed by Reddit", which reveddit wouldn't see as a deleted comment, and it didn't keep an edit history so there was no way to see what the comment said before (I know, I tried).
You could see it in context, but if you thought you didn't break any rules, that wouldn't help much, and no way to argue it.
Anyway, my best ban was for "violent content" from a sub with no link. Decided to blank the last month of comments... and got suspended site wide for repeated "violent content" offense. Blanked 10 years of comments... and that bought me 2 more years before getting suspended again, and perma banned when I appealed the suspension.
Cherry on the top: a couple months after being perma-banned site-wide, last week I got banned from a sub. Reason: link to a blanked comment, "breaking the sub rules". OK 🥱
I got banned from Reddit while I was on a work trip to the USA. Hadn't posted in over a year at the time. I'm absolutely mystified as to why.
They refer you to the content policy but they won't tell you which post might violate it. I asked a few times what it was that caused the ban, but they either just referred to the content policy or once they said "Repeated violations". I actually requested my user data so I could stick up my complete post history publicly and see if anyone else could figure it out. My username was / is sirdeadbeef on reddit.
I haven't put any work into displaying them nicely, this is the format you get them in if you request your data:
https://db.osoal.org.nz/reddit/
Hmm, what the acutal f_? Read all the comments, couldn't figure it out in the slightest.
You probably commented on one of the verboten subreddits. That's how I got most of my bans.
So stop using Reddit
Reddit is trash
If I get banned for silly comments I'll find a new instance.
I've never been banned
"appeal" just means you are gonna waste time typing a message to a smelly incel dog walker on a power trip that isn't gonna read it. Fuck that place.
I got one for insiding violence, and it was something that everybody could fucking agree on, like punching Nazis or something. I don't remember what it was so long ago. It's fucking bullshit though.
I got a permaban for posting a link to Trevor Moore's song time for guillotines in response to a guy asking for song recommendations for some random mandatory work bullshit where they are force to chose a song to play.... apparently the word "guillotine" is the reddit equivalent to running over a baby with a lawn mower. I had no warnings or anything on that account, just poof permaban.
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TBf, they were probably worried about you getting every man, woman, and child in America to gangrape Janet Yellen and Jerome Powell until they died. There's a line about it in the funny song, therefore it's a real threat.
Nope, I hat would be a reasonable reason considering reddit has the sense of humor of a nun in Iowa. I was told angerly by lump in a basement mod that it was 100% because of the word Guillotine. This was on r/antiwork so it was probably the dog walking gargoyle .
I got one for saying we should destroy a bridge in Königsberg in the name of Euler.
This is a reference to a famous problem in graph theory. This problem has been ruined since they built an extra bridge. It was an obvious joke in context, to an audience that would understand the joke.
Unfortunately, Reddit's so-called "Anti-Evil Operations" team doesn't look at context and said I was inciting terrorism.
They permanently banned me for saying we should be more progressive and intellectual as a country. Someone complained that I was "inciting people to violence," (?!?!!) for saying this. They never bothered to read anything I posted. So, to hell with Reddit and its scummy staff of moderators - they are the absolute worst people imaginable.
Hey if spez wants another shithole site full of Nazis, more power to him.
Anyone using Reddit for more than search results is doing it wrong. If you have your own content, figure out how to host it yourself and get on the Fediverse.
Reddit has been aggressively banning people for many years. People used to cheer it on because it was mostly aimed at conservatives, but they've expanded and created what appears to be a first-strike policy with no appeal. Now it's affecting everyone. I support consistent application of the rules, but their rules are petty, arbitrary, and broad. A famous example is how they ban people for racism, unless it's racism towards white people. That was literally written into the site rules until recently.
I think Reddit is a lost cause. They peaked long ago and now they're coasting on their moat. As other services like Lemmy gain traction, Reddit will continue to decline, and they will continue to aggressively monetise the remaining users. The only thing to lament is the information already stored on the site.
I got banned for racism against white people earlier this year, but I appealed it and they unbanned me. That's because I explained I wasn't attacking the people who are labelled as white, I was attacking the label of whiteness itself. Whiteness was invented by trans-atlantic slave traders in order to justify what they were doing and create solidarity between europeans in the new world as they oppressed nonwhite people and enjoyed the privileges of oppressing together. It's perfectly reasonable to attack the idea of whiteness as a big load of baloney. Also, any person who feels attacked by attacks on whiteness obviously considers whiteness part of their identity, which is shitty because, again, whiteness is fake. Whiteness shouldn't be part of anyone's self-identity because it's nonsense.
I'd be okay with your rationalisation if you followed similar logic for "blackness." Do you? Is it okay for me to attack blackness, and call it dirty and bad?
I would follow a similar logic for blackness if blackness had been created by black slavers who were using it to define themselves as better than everyone else and to justify slavery of nonblack people. However, that isn't what happened. Black people didn't choose to be black. They were kidnapped onto boats and told they were black. They were isolated from their native cultures and shoved into plantations with strangers from halfway across Africa who had no language, culture, or religion in common. They sure as shit didn't want to be black, they wanted to go back to the way things were before. But blackness is the only thing their children grew up knowing.
Is blackness fake? Yes. Is identifying as black a declaration of supremacy? No.
Since you've admitted you accept discrimination on the basis of race, that makes you, quite literally, a racist. I'm sure you think your racism is justified and righteous and good, but all racists think that. You're not special. You're just racist.
Your recount of history is wild. There were absolutely black slaves, but did you know that there have been millions of white slaves too? Slave markets flourished on the Barbary Coast of North Africa, in what is modern-day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and western Libya, between the 15th and middle of the 19th century. The North African slave markets traded in European slaves which were acquired by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Spain, Portugal, France, England, the Netherlands, and as far afield as the Turkish Abductions in Iceland. Men, women, and children were captured to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned. According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and Ottoman Empire between the 15th and 19th centuries.
My own Irish ancestors were also the victims of genocide in the Potato Famine. No one has a hereditary claim on suffering. If you go far enough back in anyone's past you'll find cruelty and subjugation, no matter their skin colour. That you'd try to make it a competition to justify your racism is, I think, quite awful.
I'm starting to think your ban was justified. you're absolutely obsessed with race.
This is all utter nonsense though.
The reality is for some reason people they are considered "white" and some people are considered "black".
It's because of the colour of their skin if you skin didn't notice.
Why are people like you just falling over yourselves to invent more facile nonsense?
It's not because of the colour of their skin. Black people don't literally have black skin, white people don't literally have white skin, Indians and Latines aren't black, and Asians aren't white. If you look at the average black person and see black skin, literally black skin, then your perceptions have been distorted by racism.
The fact that people think whiteness and blackness are real, and sometimes treat people differently based on those labels, makes them real. That's how concepts and words work.
Er, I get where you’re coming from, but white and black people are physiologically different.
Not in intelligence or any of the other bullshit racists spout, of course. But there are differences in the way people’s bodies handle things like medication and disease which usually correlates with skin color.
@KairuByte @smellythief In a sense though, from my understanding, it has more to do with ethnicity (where you were born and who your parents are) and its impact on genetics than just skin color by itself, ex: sickle cell anemia (though a case could theoretically made for any conditions/medications that specifically interact with things like melanin).
Did someone call you a mayo, you poor thing?
I never talk about my exes. Yesterday's gone. It's a new day. Long live Lemmy!
And yet here you are
All I see is a picture of God.
I got the same exact thing. I think it's because I reported Spez and said "you smell"
Another reminder to never trust a site run by a guy who has sex with busty cats.
dumb thing is they’ll ban you even when you didn’t violate any rules. insane.
I got my final ban for criticizing trump
That's crazy because I got a final ban for criticizing Biden.
Have you read The Trial? Funny how history repeats itself, even if it's from "fiction".
reddit finds a way to make their ban system somehow even worse
The Nazi admins won.
For now.
Nah, we aren't taking back Reddit. It's going to die off with those idiots still in control.
Precisely my point.
I got permabanned for repeating a meme from the Fark days, yet there are posts of the exact same thing from 12+ years ago that are still up with no issue. Even noting that when I appealed the ban I got the canned "we totally reviewed it, fuck you lol" response.
The only other time I had an issue was when I got a three day suspension for upvoting a Ghislaine Maxwell related post.
Appeal rejected, but familiarize yourself with the content policy for future reference?
I imagine they're banning people all over the place now, I got banned from a sub for talking about apartheid in Israel a while ago.
Just FYI, sub level bans have nothing to do with the admins, that’s all on the mods.
!redditalternatives
I got one the other day for "promoting hate" because somebody else started a fight and didn't like the fact that I called them out and insulted them back in the process.
The message I got contained a link which pointed to a comment that said: "Deleted by Reddit".
It was a pretty new comment so I knew what it was about, but had it been some old comment they reported instead I wouldn't have been able to successfully appeal it.
Possibly even worse is the fact that the comment remained deleted even after the ban was appealed.
I have been banned pre-emptively from subreddits for making comments in other subreddits. The the sad part was my involvement in those toxic community's was to get them to see the other side in a reasonable way. If anyone had actually read the comment there would not have been a ban. I even appealed the ban and they told me I shouldn't even be there and it doesn't matter. Talk about being close minded and toxic!
(It was left wing subreddits banning me for arguing with right wingers in their own spaces, but I did in a soft way that didn't get me outright banned - it showed me that the left wing extreme groups are just as bad as the right - extremism needs to end full stop)
The fact that behavior was allowed on reddit should have been a red flag a long time ago.
Got banned from r/offmychest for "participating" in incel subs.
The thing is I was trolling in those subs. I should have been banned from them, not r/offmychest.
I got banned from there too because I used to go on /r/4chan back in 2011. I was an edgy teenager back then.
They apparently fetched every comment that had ever been made to that subreddit and banned everyone. It happened in like 2015-2016, long after I stopped going on any subreddit like that.
It's something of a reddit truism that nearly all the subs that ban you for posting elsewhere are either lefty subs or subs that are run by mods who also mod lefty subs.
Most right wing, incel, etc, etc anyone else you're likely to challenge subs actually require you to break their rules, and most of the time unless you're outright obnoxious about it will let downvotes and debate do the work. Except for r/conservative, who is fiercely defensive of their bubble.
The mods on justiceserved will ban anyone that posts/comments in a conservative subreddit despite the content of the comment.
Yeah, I got banned for posting in a Joe Rogan subreddit, and as OP was saying, I was calling out toxic viewpoints with a dissertation on how machio and toxic behavior can be destructive to friends and family. I was insta banned from the justiceserved within minutes. I laughed, shrugged and moved on
I had similar experiences, and couldn't understand why they would discourage dialog and discussion around various issues. The thing is, they don't actually want dialog, they want to stamp out opposition to their views as though it never existed.
If you were actually harassing somebody I couldn’t care less. When you’re banned what does that look like though? Can you not view anything?
Sounds like you've never been banned in Reddit. You don't realise how differently mods on power trip understand the word "harrassment". Or anything else.
Reddit is a trash place in general.
About 3 months ago I was banned for saying "People have the right to use like force to defend themselves against an attacker, including using deadly force. It's not a happy outcome. But neither is being a victim." It was a comment on an article about a homeowner who killed a burglar, so context is king. /r/news banned me and reported me for "threatening violence". Then I got an account warning (whatever that means) by Reddit.
When I contacted the admin team, I got a ban for abusive reporting.
%reddit%.com is now blocked in my DNS. Fuck those fucks, they don't even deserve my ad revenue from searches.
I said that I would smack someone from a story, and clearly in a figurative way. Banned for promoting physical violence. Okay?
(I've never hit anyone ever, by the way.)
Reddit has a strict nonviolence in comments policy, whether it be in support of self defence, or defence of others. Exclusions apply to some extent in supporting state sanctioned police and military violence.
It's not that strict. There was a thread full of people advocating the torture and murder of HP printer executives for their printer bullshit and nothing happened to any of them. I know because I was banned the day before for saying something similar about child molesters and kept an eye on that thread. I asked what the difference was in my appeal and just got their canned response that the ban was going to be upheld. Reddit admins care about specifically creating a safe space for child molesters... for some reason...
Yet they let the post about the break in and shooting be posted. You just can't comment on what was in the post? How stupid Reddit has become.
And then they turn around and host tons of fight subs showing video of people getting the tar beat out of them. If that's what adults want to watch then more power to them but so much for the whole "no mentions of violence are allowed" rule.
But yeah fr fr they only reason they banned /thedickhead is because they started going after the cops. Extremely mask off considering all the other shit they said leading up to that point was way more violent but it was against people they didn't like so it was permissible.
I was permanently banned on my first account of 11 years for saying "everyone would want to punch Nazis", no prior issues ever, the appeal was instantly rejected. I was permanently banned on my next account for making the mistake of saying I was banned on my other account about 2 years after the fact. From that point on I was fully IP banned so I could only use Reddit with a VPN made account. If I ever accidentally logged in on my computer because I forgot, even years later, instantly banned. All because I said Nazis should get punched. As far as I'm concerned, this all started when China got involved in Reddit via Tencent and Ellen Pao. Reddit just, BY TOTAL RANDOM COINCIDENCE, became super defensive about anything China or communist related and started handing out bans any time people said no no words (sounds like TikTok to me.)
Yeah. Reddit went downhill..
Reddit was literally created to be a hangout for pedo nazis. Reddit never fell, it was never good.
Yeah suuuuure.. 😅😅😅
ip ban wears off after a month or two
No they don't. I can say that with confidence as it happened several times. The reason was always "ban evasion" and there were several months in between. So either someone else used the IP in that time and got banned and refreshed it, or you're just wrong.
Huh.
I had the same thing happen. Even a ten year account I didn't use was included and any I made for a few weeks. So I left new qccounts alone and only used my banned account to view for quite awhile, then decided to make another account one day and it's been working fine for quite a few months now. I made sure to not add all the same subs I used to have and just slowly integrated what I wanted back in.
Maybe it was longer than a couple months now that I think about it, but I still think there is a limit.
nope, just tested over 3 months, account flagged in about 12 hours
The message and the is sitewide and from reddit. Subreddit mods weren't involved
You’re right. I haven’t been banned on Reddit. I was more of a lurker though. Didn’t participate in any political/sexuality/gender things either.
Your account still works, you can still view everything (excluding those that have blocked you), but you have a banner at the top that says you're banned and you can't vote, post or comment. You can't send messages or use chat either.
You can still edit your previous comments and posts.
Justified or not, reddit have clearly stepped up their banning protocols, around 6 months or so ago or maybe even late last year (ie before the planned API price rise, well before even the announcements).
LMFAO.
"Your account still works"
lists all the many many ways your account no longer works
Lol yeah. But mainly you still have all your subscribed subreddits, multireddits and all that. Going from the front page of an account you've built up over many years to the latest default reddit can be a bit of a shock.
Like I say though, the more annoying thing is the way it's supposed to be a passive reddit experience, but all the buttons for voting and replying are still there. Yet, if you click them you get a pop up reminding you, and you can't scroll again until you dismiss it. They should just remove the buttons.
IMO those are the least important aspects of an account. It takes very little time to resub to a list of subs you have right in front of you and turn them into a new multi. Overall the way bigger issue here is: everyone get the fuck off Reddit it's fucking trash.
Depends how many subreddits. There are maybe tools around to make it a little easier, but you have to find them and dig them out of github.
Yes to reddit being trash, but I wouldn't be so exclusive. Sometimes you need to dig through the trash. Just be sure to remember that it's trash, and wash yourself afterwards.
I can't fathom going back to being a user there, it's just too abusive and such a bad experience, but I'll use old threads that come up on Google for their information, sure.
It's very easy to fall into the habit of reading a conversation and wanting to chime in. But yeah, the nature of the conversation on reddit has definitely changed over the years. The irony is that this is probably somewhat astroturfed to "increase user engagement", when it is ultimately driving users away.
Well then I’d like OP to share his comment history with us.
If they're banned, then you won't see their comments on their profile, just a banned icon. They might not see them on their own profile either on new reddit, however they can still access their profile on old reddit. This shows 1,000 comments in each list (New, Top, Hot, Controversial, with the date filters) but not necessarily everything.
Incidentally, the tools most people used to edit/delete their reddit history only targeted these lists, so they'd quite often miss things - if you had a profile with lots of comments over a long time, with old comments that had low but not controversial karma, then these wouldn't end up in your profile lists. As of late 2022/early 2023. Aside from all the comments reddit restored after people deleted (which they blamed on their CDN issues, as if that somehow absolved them), many people thought they'd deleted everything but in fact they'd left plenty of comments behind. They then deleted their accounts and now cannot access them, the vast majority are probably unaware.
You should still be able to see their comments and posts where they are, so long as they haven't been removed. However whatever got them banned was no doubt also removed.
Even if you're banned, you can still make GDPR requests, which Reddit is required to comply with. They include your entire comment history.
Yep, and, at least until the API change, you could feed that into tools to make sure you got all of them. I didn't see any of the comments I deleted in this way restored, however I did see comments restored when using the tools on my profile.
Why? Even in a world where OP is an asshole Reddit should still tell you what comment is getting you banned and give you the opportunity to dispute it. That's the main problem here, unilateral decisions you never have any insight on.
True, but I hate getting people riled up and commenting, if in the end this guy was actually just a POS.
Edit: The web archive history shows they post in all the same type of communities and like talking about all of the same stuff that will get you the same end result here on Lemmy. Just seems like a human thing at this point when discussing politics/gender/sexuality. Like most other places it seems to take just a handful of people reporting you and you’re gone.
Id rather confess to the murder
Last I checked I could still vote, just not coming on anything
Reddit admins' definition of harassment now includes singular insults if the admin is feeling particularly power-trippy. Doesn't even have to be a swear word, my last alt got permabanned for calling someone (who I'd never interacted with before) a moron.
Reminds me of when someone on an anime subreddit got permabanned for posting a tweet from Abroad in Japan.
Stop using Reddit, they're a total fraud of an online forum. They banned me for daring to stick up for gay people and for being on the left side of politics, though i never said anything harmful or violent of any kind at any time. They are currently being sued for disingenous hate crime practices of banning people with differing viewpoints.
That's real fuckin bullshit.
It is just
redditsocial site, make a new account 😂Lemmy is even easier tho. Get a ban? Spawn another relentlessly as it is even more anon than Reddit.
Yeah, I got a temp ban for asking if someone’s ex, which they described as a “politician who was a habitual liar” described themselves as Jew-“ish” in reference to George santos.
Appealed, no response. Submitted a support ticket, no response.
I get that it could look bad, but cmon this is a widely known individual.
Edit: Moved a double quote
A homeless guy had taken a hostage in my city. One commenter said "I hope this poor man gets the help he deserves". That comment was at -17. So I comment "Light em up boys" and I get like +30 because it's pretty funny. And that is a "call to violence" so I got perma'd.
Light em up boys? What did you mean by that? Did you reply to that comment, or as a top level response? Did you think you were being sarcastic?
That means that instead of giving that homeless person medical treatment they should just shoot him.
The wording, "light em up boys", refers to how cops might talk to each other and how the cops won't give the dude help they're definitely going to kill him. The entire joke implies I don't think he deserves help and instead he deserves to get gunned down in the street.
yeah go fuck yourself
No
It seems Lemmy doesn't like it either.
The internet should have always been taken with a grain of salt, but nowadays half of society lives on the web and have made it into the shitshow it is now.
I was unemployed for a couple weeks and spent them on my phone wasting away time between interviews so to say, i lost touch of reality so quickly to the point where just being allowed to live your life had become alien to me. I currently work at a construction company and i've quickly realized you can still live your life even though people don't agree because they have no control over you.
The internet is a dangerous place