Now no one will ever see all those super long !remindme bot posts set for 5, 10 or 15 years on Reddit

orion2145@lemmy.world to Showerthoughts@lemmy.world – 1068 points –
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RemindMe bot is no longer functional following the API pricing change, and many Redditors are still unaware of this fact.

I thought bots were exempt from paying?

I think only mod specific bots were immune. As idiotic as Reddit has been, it might still be running, but, how will it remind those of us that erased all comments and then deleted our accounts? I have a feeling that wasn't an official bot, so it was probably programed correctly so it won't spam them with replys to deleted accounts ๐Ÿ˜ข

I looked it up now, and it does sound like Reddit made an exception for the reminder bot according to the bot's dev: https://www.reddit.com/r/RemindMeBot/comments/13yo8ay/will_the_reddit_api_change_kill_remindmebot/

maybe remindme bot should pass through all API calls to Apollo and solve this whole moronic escape room detonation

Solid work, and solid username. I'm feeling better about the fediverse every day.

"what're you gonna do, arrest me??" -RemindMeBot, maybe

Oh shit no way, I didn't know that? Is that the case for most of the random reddit bots? For some reason hearing that the RemindMe bot is dead as well makes me extra sad ๐Ÿ˜ฅ

Oh man, this bums me out.

Don't worry, the bot will still respond and it will get 10,000 upvotes from other bots and replies like "grond" and "15 years is 7889400 minutes" and "pass me the breastplate stretcher!" and the one real person left on reddit will smile and think "I love being part of such a large and thriving online community".

It's about time that people understood that "Everything on the internet lasts forever" is a falsehood formed from a Web 2.0 mindset. Now those big Web 2.0 sites everyone thought would dominate the internet forever are dying, and the only thing saving what was on those websites (the internet archive) is being constantly sued by greedy publishers.

I think that warning is more about the lack of control you have over your own data. You post a pic or political view online and it will be duplicated before you know it and you wonโ€™t be able to delete it on your own terms.

Yep, it's just Murphy's Law of data: everything you regret posting will be in public archives forever, everything you want to preserve will have gotten deleted the next time you try to find it.

I think if weโ€™re being honest itโ€™s just information theory right? You but any sort of information out there (digital or not) and that info has ripple effects and propagates

The idea of old sites dying is what inspired me to hunt down really old hobby blogs and save up their images. Then contact creators and anybody who replied (sometimes it was a bit of detective work to find an old email) and signed off was reposted on my blog. Those old geocities type websites arenโ€™t going to last forever without maintenance.

My effort is very small, but I think people should search out Web 1.0 and 2.0 old stuff in their wheelhouse and preferably with original author permission, rehost it.

โ€œEverything on the internet lasts foreverโ€ is a falsehood formed from a Web 2.0 mindset.

What do you mean, my upvotes won't last for all eternity? AND MY ANGRY DOWNVOTES?!?!

WHAT IS THIS BLASPHEMY?

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In retrospect those were ridiculously optimistic

At those lengths I always just thought it was more for the joke, rather than the actual reminder.

I mean, most of them were meant to be silly, but reddit was also around a shockingly long time for an internet community. Consider that Myspace was only around for three years before it started losing status. Reddit, by comparison, was a major site for a decade and is only now starting to drop. And the remindme bot has been around for most of that time. A bunch of those 'remind me in a few years' posts were actually tripped.

You realize reddit hasn't died and still has millions of users?

Most of those millions of users are largely irrelevant, as they don't create content nor moderate. It's akin to how Facebook can say they have millions of users, but nobody is actually using it anymore.

Of course, but cracks are starting to show. My point was that this is an absurdly long time for something like reddit to be around at all, so the remindmebot comments that were set for years out weren't as out there as the guy above me seemed to think. Hell, reddit share holders seem to be upset with what's going on, so there are decent odds they'll revert the changes and we'll be back there in a year.

Hell, reddit share holders seem to be upset with whatโ€™s going on

Not that I don't believe this, seems plausible to meโŽฏbut would you happen to have a source for that.

so there are decent odds theyโ€™ll revert the changes and weโ€™ll be back there in a year.

Hate to say this but I'm still clinging on to Reddit for some of the niche subs, but hopefully they'll spring up here.

You realize reddit hasn't died and still has millions of users?

I'm betting the Reddit posts will be there, but the people who were wrong usually delete there account within a year, in shame as they tend to be wrong about lots of other things. And yep I probably won't be there either.

Question for you, when I try to go there it makes me log in, but I don't have an account for that instance. Do I have to create a new account for each instance?

You can make separate accounts on each instance, or you can access content on other instances from your instance. Unfortunately when you click on a URL someone shares that takes you out of your instance, but you can copy/paste that URL into your instance's search box to access that post from your instance.

What's an instance?

Great question. An instance is just the name of the site through which you're accessing the Lemmyverse. So you're on the lemmy.world instance, while I'm on aussie.zone.

You can think of Lemmy a little like email. You could be on Gmail while I'm on Outlook, but both of us can communicate with each other just fine, even though our email providers are completely different.

Thanks for that explanation. That was my first post and this place is confusing and full of random exclamation marks lol.

So are instances automatically assigned based on region? Or did I choose this instance? Can I switch, or would I notice a difference?

Itโ€™s just like with email, you choose which provider you go with. You must have gone to lemmy.world when you first came to Lemmy, so thatโ€™s your current provider.

Right now, you can easily just go and sign up with another instance if you like. There are a heap of them, and if you google you can find out more about different ones. Some are general, like Lemmy.world, some have a geographical focus, like aussie.zone. Others are based more on shared interests, like ttrpg.network.

On Lemmy, the equivalent of Redditโ€™s "subreddits" are called "communities". And each instance has its own communities. Right now weโ€™re commenting on !showerthoughts@lemmy.world, which you might also see referred to as /c/showerthoughts@lemmy.world. Those both mean the same thing. But thereโ€™s also a !showerthoughts@sh.itjust.works, and those two are completely separate communities with their own mods and their own rules. And even though your account is on lemmy.world, you could go into that other community and post or comment.

Each instance has its own admins as well, and those admins have powers similar to that of admins on Reddit. They can ban users, remove communities on their own instance, etc. Most often the thing youโ€™ll see talked about in terms of admin powers is "defederation". Thatโ€™s where the admins of one instance prevent users from another instance from interacting with them. Different admins might have different policies for why they would or would not defederate another instance, and you may want to ensure the instance you use has a defederation policy that youโ€™re comfortable withโ€”and one where your own instance hasnโ€™t been defederated by other instances that you want to interact with.

Right now, to move to another instance you just have to create a new account. Your old comments and posts etc. will be left behind. But there has been some talk about being able to migrate your account from one instance to another, and itโ€™s theoretically possible. Mastodon is a fediverse equivalent to Twitter (in the same way that Lemmy is a fediverse Reddit) and I believe account migration is possible on Mastodon. For the most part though, no, you wonโ€™t really notice the difference between different instances.

What's a fediverse?

It's just a general term for all the different federated services. Lemmy is federated Reddit. Kbin is another reddit-like federated service. Mastodon is federated Twitter. There are also federated versions of things like YouTube and Instagram. They all use a technology called "ActivityPub", which means you can sorta see Lemmy posts from Mastodon and vice versa. It's mostly not useful, but it does mean if you mention a Mastodon account in Lemmy, they'll get a notification and be able to reply without being on Lemmy. Kbin and Lemmy can interact with each other much more seamlessly because of how similar they are.

Collectively, they're all called the "fediverse". You might also occasionally see the term "threadiverse" (or some other spelling of that), to refer to all the federated services specifically designed to be similar to Reddit. Mainly Lemmy and Kbin.

Realistically though, none of this is stuff you should need to know. It's all still under development and a little wonky, but as much as possible the goal should be for it to all be transparent to users. It should just work.

@mausy5043 Ok, I will remind you on Wednesday Jul 5, 2023 at 3:03 PM PDT.

Does the bot used the API to send the message? In that case not even a couple of months alerts are going to work.

It's kind of sad to look back at that blind optimism that of course Reddit wasn't going to shit itself and I was definitely going to get that "!remindme in 10 years" DM and get a blast from the past.

Now all those messages will never be sent

Back when I was a teenager I had the blind optimism the future would be bright and we would keep all the positive trends we had in the early 2010s.

For my family, the 2010s were already a big downward trend. Huge global financial crisis and it's fallout felt to this day, good things going away or getting worse (just look at how Facebook, Twitter, etc became utter crap around 2012), the rapid acceleration of income and class inequality, just so, so much that was slowly going downhill got even worse :-(

It's easy to forget that so much happened in the 2010s, even early on. It wasn't long into that decade that Occupy Wallstreet reminded us that we can't beat the rich, and that there's no hope. It crashed and burned so hard, and nobody's been able to stand up to corpos the same way since.

For me, hope was lost in the late 2000s. Everything else has just been slow nails in the coffin since then :-(

Dang, I felt this one. But good things do come around either through lower expectations or better situations. That old quote always seems apt:

In the meantime cling tooth and nail to the following rule: Not to give in to adversity, never to trust prosperity, and always take full note of fortune's habit of behaving just as she pleases, treating her as if she were actually going to do everything it is in her power to do.

Honestly. Humans are so bad at seeing multi-year trends... myself included. Many essential things have been consistently going to shit over the past decade for sure. Climate change in the same vein, "It's not that different" "there were always record weather events once in a while" but if you look at a graph of objective scientific data, it's an exponential line of weather extreme after weather extreme with steadily decreasing intervals between events. But the neighbours insist that "We've had summers like this in the 70's, you youngsters haven't seen anything. Stop causing a panic!"

I was a teenager in the 90โ€™s, so I understand about the whole blind optimism thing, and itโ€™s something that I lost about 22 years ago.

I think I remember seeing Redditโ€™s comment somewhere that remindme bot will keep working.

I think the bot was already down before the blackout. I remember trying to set a !remind me and nothing happened. Then I read somewhere that the bot was now offline.

Comments starting with "!remind me" are automatically removed in some subreddits, maybe that was the issue.

No, it's still online. I just checked, and u/RemindMeBot is still commenting.

Will it still work after the API changes though? I'm assuming whomever runs that bot doesn't want to pay through the ass to continue posting.

I think Reddit made exemptions for bots but don't quote me on that

Maybe it was sub specific thenโ€ฆ

I got a reminderjust as the blackouts started

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This may be true, but we can now see new remind me bots here:

https://lemmy.ca/post/1143350

!RemindMe 5 years

OK, I'll remind you on 2028 July 5 10:49:32UTC!

(I wrote a memo on a yellow post-it sticker, I hope I won't loose it by next week)

I used to get a notification every year for some dude who had posted on reddit that he was alone on his birthday one year. He stopped replying several years ago, but I still messaged him each year at the prompt of remindme. So that's also a use case.

You were a good bot, RemindMe. I want you to remember that.

Oh my god... WHERE'S EPOXY HOTDOG GUY?!

uhhh... context pls?

Look up whathowwhy on YouTube. He's a dude from the UK who puts stuff into epoxy. A few years a go he put a hotdog into a cube of epoxy and would do periodic video updates on the hotdog. One year I actually watched the New Years Eve livestream of the hotdog slowly spinning on a dias. He'd put a little party hat on it and the live chat was absolutely hilarious.

A guy put a hotdog in epoxy...

And is checking in periodically with videos showing if it's decayed or stayed pristine in its cryogenic epoxy prison.

Well so has it decayed or not?

Oh I finally got a notification of this reply 13 days later :) I haven't been following it much but as far as I know it hasn't visibly decayed.

Probably one of the few useful bots ever added to Reddit.

We didn't need a million and one spelling, grammar and whatever other stupid bots the place got infected with. Hopefully Lemmy doesn't end up with them either.

Personally, I think the grammar bots fit right into Reddit culture.

Everyone is a smarty-pants on Reddit!

I do hope that people respect the instance hosts and go easy on the trivial bots when it comes to Lemmy though.

I didn't mind the fact that it was there, I was always just annoyed at how useless the memory hints were. Like yeah, of course I could spell "neither" if I just remember the e comes before the i... that's the problem.

It's like saying "if you want to be rich just get more money" or "NASCAR is easy cuz it's all left turns"

I after E, except after C; when it sounds like "ee".

....or when sounded like "ay" as in "neighbor" or "weigh".

Actually, let me double check that with my foreign buddies Keith and Heidi, they've got eight children who are all cops and busted a major counterfeit heist the other day. Weird, right?

I always thought it's funny to see such a spelling bot on linguistics themed subs where everyone was like "fck you descriptivist" and they were downvoted into oblivion

fck you descriptivist

You mean prescriptivist? ๐Ÿ˜…

(beep boom I'm a human)

I wish there were more. I just found out at work that "deprecated" and "depreciated" are different words, it was so embarrassing.

I mean, I like knowing when I'm saying something incorrectly, and learning the correct way to say it. I value communication through text a lot because I have some issues with communicating verbally, so I like to know how to properly write what I want to say. So I didn't mind the grammar/spelling bots as long as they were polite about it, they were just providing accessibility to knowledge, at least in my eyes. It was the rude or condescending ones I didn't like.

That one was good. I also liked the one that counted how many times someone has said the n word, but I do not think the n word is allowed here (which is better).

Probably one of the few useful bots ever added to Reddit.

My favorite bot was AutoMod. The 3rd party app I used allowed me to block that bot, which was always the top post in every single thread.

wait so you liked it because you could block it? I fucking hated automod BECAUSE i always had to block it.

My favorite was the would of/would've bot.

I feel like I havenโ€™t seen a single person use โ€œcould ofโ€ or โ€œwould ofโ€ here.

The defense on Reddit was always โ€œNOT EVERY1 ENGLISH FIRST LANGUAGEโ€

I donโ€™t have the largest sample size, but Iโ€™ve never met someone who makes this mistake whose first language isnโ€™t English.

People whose first language isn't English (and especially people who apologize for their English) almost invariably type perfectly, lol

Do we have any remindme bot in lemmy?

There's one on Mastodon

@remindme@mstdn.social 1 day

@lemonadebunny Ok, I will remind you on Wednesday Jul 5, 2023 at 2:43 PM PDT.

I'm actually kinda shocked it worked. I mean, I know you can read some Lemmy instances from Mastodon, but I'm still shocked it worked.

Wonder how long until someone makes a lemmy instance for only bots, with some cool domain like @lemmy.bot

Then we don't have to remember all of the domains, and we can get easy to remember bots like;

remindme@lemmy.bot

It was sort of ambitious for people to think they'd be on reddit with the same account in 20 years

I don't think so, reddit was so dominant that had they simply not decided to anger all their power users, we'd all still be on there like nothing had changed. A good platform has staying power, I've been on Steam for 16 years and I have no plans of bailing on it because it's simply the best gaming platform I've ever used. It's not game lock-in or anything, most of my games I could buy elsewhere or pirate, I just like having the features and all these other ones popping up like GOG Galaxy still aren't overtaking it despite the good PR.

Agreed. Have been on Steam for almost 19 years. Nothing has really degraded as far as the service goes, and Valve's approach to listening to community feedback is good. We've saw controversy, mainly Paid Mods and CS:GO gambling, both have been taken care of for the most part due to community pushback. I can't think of a controversy that has made me want to leave the service though. With Reddit, it was a slow decline to its death on July 1st.

Not gonna lie, it was the will Reddit fiasco that has me concerned about my game library when Gabe goes

When I buy a game I now always look first if there's a DRM-free version on GOG

I'm imaginging you emulating a bunch of retro win10 games on your future-pc 30 years from now. Smart way of doing it though: why pay of the DRM version when you can actually own the game?

This is easily the main concern when it comes to Steam. A strong leadership can largely mitigate the ill effects of capitalism, but once said leadership goes away, it becomes a profiteering free-for-all.

Capitalism killed it. That's how things go. They are great for a while then get too big and have to keep growing for some reason. The pursuit of perpetual growth ruins everything

aka the great enshittification of '23

This is exactly it, now that the economy is slowing down, reddit is just one of many tech startups which whose investors now require actual returns instead of just promises of endless growth.

Yahoo answers held on for decades after it was relevant, I'm sure Reddit will be around in 15 years.

Sadly, Remindbot will be reminding a ghost town populated only by other bots

There won't be any bots if they have to pay eyewatering amounts for API access.

It'll be a ghost town, plus u/spez.

had they simply not decided to anger all their power users

It was Huffman. It was inevitable.

I'm still with my old yahoo account, because it is tied with my tumblr account, and sad to say my tumblr is much older than my first reddit account, which is older than the digg migration. I'd revive yahoo groups in a heartbeat if it is revived with the same feature set. There's a certain kind of group discussion it really does well for that forums don't really capture.

Iโ€™d revive yahoo groups in a heartbeat if it is revived with the same feature set

SAME, why did Yahoo shut down, there were so many incredible things to it (but I like forums, too)

Edit: I'm dumb and misspoke, Yahoo itself didn't shut down but a lot of things in it did

I mean, I made it 12...

I suppose I still have an account from 2009 that I donโ€™t ever use. I went through at least two dozen others that I deleted since then though.

@remindme@lemmy.icyserver.eu 5 years "Lets see if this works"

As much as I'll miss Remindme!Bot, I'm going to miss all those LotR-Bots a lot more. ๐Ÿฅบ

Damn this is a quality shower thought...sad but profound.

LMFAO, I didn't even see what community this was in. I thought I was in one of the many reddit, migration, or tech subs. This was an amazing shower thought!

Poor bot will be constantly woken up only to remember that there is no one to remind. Only the void.

Humanity will die its last death when the bots send their last reminder.

Kind of sad if you think about it... After my heart attack and open heart surgery, I had considered setting up a bot to randomly send an /r/aww or /r/funny link to my wife every day after I die. Glad I didn't now. :(

Glad you're feeling better! Check out futureme.org to send emails to the future. I believe whichever email address you send to needs to confirm that it's ok, but then you can send emails years into the future. I've been using it since 2010 or so and trying to write a letter to myself every year that I'll receive on my 50th bday. Sometimes my wife and I also write each other one too.

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Like shadows burned on the sides of buildings in Hiroshima

Yes exactly. Wait. What?

I think they are talking about this but I don't exactly see how this is related to the topic

Wow, what a coincidence. I was just there for in the museum for the first (and probably only) time in life and the next moment I open Lemmy, I read this.

No. I am willing to ignore a lot of idiotic crap on the internet. But no, you cannot compare literal lives lost to a stupid Reddit bot.

Oh ya haha good point. There's goes all my remind me posts. Oh well

Yeah so this post made me follow the showerthoughts lemmy

Unrelated but someone needs to port Bobby B bot over here

I never thought about that before. I wonder how many were actually important.

Aw, thatโ€™s probably the most upsetting thing about all this

yeah, I had some ones set up like months out, it was always fun getting those random reminders. There's a similar bot on discord, at least

That was the joke though, right? No one actually expected Reddit to last that long, did they?

Lots of people actually did. Many of Reddits users were not around the Internet before Reddit (myself included). It was almost like the YouTube for forums, a giant platform too big to fail.

Would that bot even be functional long term with the API changes?

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some adbot or AI bot will try to sell it a porn subscription.

I won't be around to be told 'i told you so'. They will be speaking into the wind.

I would have never remembered this. Thanks. :(

That is sad, I did enjoy some follow ups, the drama was a good read even if it was someoneโ€™s creative writing practice. I truly appreciated seeing skills grow. I followed a few craft/hobby subs; sometimes someone would ask a very novice question and end up posting incredible work a few months later. Donโ€™t get me wrong, I hate reddit- especially now, but there were some good, helpful communities

Well, shit, there were 3 things I asked it to remind me, which I clearly don't remember anymore already.

Never made it as a wise man
I couldn't cut it as a poor man stealing
Tired of living like a blind man
I'm sick of sight without a sense of feeling

Unless someone makes some kind of migration tool perhaps...

you would need to either work with the current maintainer of remindme bot or to scrap all remindme comment from reddit, easier with API access, so I doubt about this. But a fresh port of remindme bot here I have no doubt that it will come soon!

How do you know Reddit won't be around in 5 years?

Well the reminder bots certainly won't be, with those API prices

I think the bot lost access to Reddit with the API change