When the pizza party is too expensive, you go with the EncourageMint

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Way back before Scott Adams went completely off the deep end I had a tin of Dilbert branded mints called Encourage Mints. This is literally a joke from the hackiest office comic ever yet some manager(s) still thought it was good idea. WTF does business school teach?

Company making millions due to its workers efforts, while rewarding them with practically nothing? Sounds like business school is teaching capitalism perfectly.

They aren't teaching psychology in them. Stupid "gifts" like these are a net negative. You are so much better off giving nothing than a crappy gift.

I disagree. A higher turnover rate means paying the new guy less money. You’ll see this more often when they want to annoy people into quitting so they don’t need to pay unemployment.

They’re using the psychology correctly. It’s just awful for people as a whole. But it can temporarily make their books look good (high sales, low expenses) and justify bigger bonuses for the board.

Generally the people that can leave of their own will are the people you don't want to leave though. You might save 20% or more on salary, but you also loosing far more in productivity.

High turnover only works when it doesn't take long for employees to reach a productive level. Now that the market is tightened and there isn't free money everywhere, companies that survived despite turnover are going to struggle as that cost becomes more obvious.

They should just attach a turbine to Karl Marx's coffin .... his spinning could probably supply enough power for all of Western Europe.

As far as I can tell, business school teaches people how to enthusiastically participate in the capitalist circlejerk. That’s kinda it.

OP is a goddamn liar and is trying to spread misinformation. Notice how there are TWO staples but only ONE mint??? Nice try OP, but we all see through your poor facade and know you're actually a two mint-having bitch elitist!

Wait 2 mints?!?! Well goddamn if that doesn’t change everything!!!

True, one would be a half hearted thanks but two...

Reminds me of getting a note from HR admonishing me to pick out my 20th work anniversary "gift" from "pages 12 to 16" of the supplied catalogue. I knew nothing of it. They concluded with "or we'll choose for you, i.e. a clock". I got luggage tags. For 20 years of my life. The best years of my life. Luggage tags. FML.

What was on pages 1 to 11 and who were they for?

My old boss got a TV for 20 years and that was a shit company

I got a digital camera that only took blurry pictures. This was Merrill Lynch in the 2000's.

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They are not even ashamed of doing this!

"What? It's cute!"

-some dipshit with an Agile certification

Gonna get an agile certification to get such a position and then coach my team into a fucking union

Can many of us also get an agile certification and coach the proletariat to seize the means of production?

It would be cute if it was how the person was getting a 10% bonus on what they helped make the company

Bonus in my experience would be the team in question get 10-30% of the total to share. If we're talking a pure sales team it varies wildly however, I've seen everything from 10-50% to the team. In some industries sales people can make more than their CEO good years.

thanks for making us six million here's a lifesaver

This is the real reason why torches and pitchforks were invented.

What double sucks about this is that every time I've seen something like it, it's some middle manager who fights tooth and nail to try to get their team anything and is given a budget of $6.37 and whatever they can find in the break room for 100 people. I have unfortunately been that guy a few too many times and had to explain to absolutely clueless managers that doing nothing instead is preferable.

Around 15 years ago or so:

Everyone got a $5 Starbucks gift card for Christmas.

There had been no raises or COL adjustments for years.

Thanks for making our shareholders money! Remember not to call in sick or ask for a raise and that unions take your money with no benefit!

DisappointMINT

DiscourageMINT

Lack of commitMINT to fairly compensating your employees

There's no way this is real - nobody would be that stupid, even in a management role, right?

When I was at Costco, for Member Service Week they literally gave us a rock, like from the gravel outside the office, with the note: "You rock!"

Your resignation letter should have just said "Now I'm about to roll"

That sucks. Costco is usually decent to their employees. Feel free to make and shame the dumbass who thought that was a good idea.

You could always light the boss' garbage can on fire with a message saying "You're on fire!" Or a poo on their desk with a message saying "You're the shit!"

That may be true for warehouse employees, but the corporate offices are a toxic mess of shitty culture and dated ideas. I've never seen a tech department bleed so much underpaid talent to Amazon.

When I quit because they tried to force me back into the office mid-pandemic (August 2020) I had multiple offers for fully remote positions with twice the salary within a few weeks.

But yeah, if you are a cashier at a warehouse or whatever I hear it's a solid gig.

How many of those broke a window you think?

I’ve seen this kind of cheesy thing as party favors for company Christmas parties. It’s a thing, but it’s almost never the ONLY thing. It’s more likely someone in management saw it on Pinterest and had to incorporate somehow to seem like the fun boss. The. Did some other lousy stuff to make it not seem so bad.

I don’t know man, my sister in law just got made redundant while she and her family were on holiday. They rang her out of the blue while she was abroad to tell her. Who the fuck thinks that’s a good idea?! “Oh hey, you have no job now and just 4 weeks severance. But lemme ruin the last holiday you be able to afford for a long while by telling you now when there absolutely nothing you can do but worry about it”. Someone made that decision instead of waiting just 48 hours. Fuckers.

You missed the opportunity to say "ManageMint"!

Every month my boss tells us how big a profit we're making. I think he thinks it's morale building. I'm guessing everyone thinks the same thing I do- "then I should be paid better." My Macbook Air, which I never took anywhere, was dying. I needed a new Mac for work. I suggested a Mac mini. They cost like $500. And I had to literally wait until my Macbook wouldn't stay on for more than 20 minutes for them to pony up the $500. God I hate it. I'm on FMLA right now though, which gives me time to look elsewhere.

I used to do a lot work with the owner of my old company's financial advisor. One time, he was sitting there complaining to me about how the owner had to pay like 1.5 million in income taxes that year. I'm like, bruh, cry me a fucking river.

Why mac?

Because that's the ecosystem we use for the designers where I work, I hate Windows and there is no way I would convince the IT guy to run Linux. I would have to run the Adobe software through a VM anyway and I couldn't run our own software.

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Why would you even ask this question, its clear they use them already...

At the risk of being downvoted, these are the kind of responses I am getting absolutely sick of seeing. Someone just asked "why mac?" And your response is basically "are you dense or stupid?" And they get downvoted while you add nothing but an insult.

People seem to forget that not everyone knows everything, had the same upbringing, or the same experiences.

Everything I read says a lot of the younger generation just knows windows has the biggest OS market share for computers but they don't even know how to navigate it because they grew up on android, ios, and chrome os so maybe that's why they are asking why, because they have no idea what benefits a Mac OS machine would have over a Windows OS machine.

I mean hell, I know so many people who don't realize that Samsung phones run a skinned version of Android so they say they run on Samsung and that it's not an android when asked.

I bet because the current market share makes it so a lot younger generation doesn't realize that Mac OS is or was marketed as a superior movie and photo editing OS and that's why a company may choose Mac over Windows. Maybe the company just lets their employees buy specific Mac and Window machines as all their applicable software works with both OS and OP just had a preference of Mac over Windows. Either way your response adds absolutely nothing but insulting another human.

I have been discussing operating systems online for decades. I use macOS and windows daily and have no preference. I no longer regularly run a linux distro unless you count android but I have done in the past.

Every single encounter I have had online where someone says "why mac" or "why would you use a mac" is EXACTLY the same setup for some sort of opinion troll, flame or arguing the toss. In this instance, you can see from the posters history that they are a linux dork.

So, I'm absolutely sick of seeing these flamebait, low effort replies to posts. I'm additionally absolutely sick of people jumping to conclusions about something that clearly isn't fucking clear and then having the impotent audacity to whine about it

Challenging someone as to why they are using a specific OS, particularly with the lack of further descriptive language or questioning, is obviously not relevant to what OP was discussing. OP was discussing something somewhat distressing for them as well, so even on an empathy basis it wasn't a particularly helpful or pleasant thing to say.

Sure, maybe it’s a legit question, but it’s equally likely to be a troll who wants to have an argument about computer OSes. If the person who said “why mac?” is truly asking a good-faith question like you are positing, they could have put more than two words of effort into the question so that whoever responds doesn’t have to make a huge guess as to their intentions.

Thank you, yes, exactly. I don't downvote low effort "but why" questions. but I also don't answer them.

I am far more tired of putting effort into lengthy, carefully crafted, good-faith responses only to have gotten sucked in by some asshole looking for an argument than I am willing to accept further.

Speaking personally, from the earliest days of Reddit, I have taken unexpected downvotes for a genuine question as code for "keep lurking/look it up" and unless I am stuck on search words it has never failed me. I recommend this for others.

TL;DR: If you sincerely have a question, try putting as much effort into your question as you'd like to receive by way of a response. And if you're just an argumentative troll (not you, CoggyMcFee, lol) then fuck you. Seriously. With a rusty, tetanus-bearing lawnmower blade. Sideways.

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I assumed this was a nursing sub until I looked closer. Hospital management only does horrid shit like this for staff.

These “rewards” are awful. My condolences.

If you’re lucky though, maybe you’ll get a small rock with a “You Rock!” printout next time.

The only place that rock should go is through your boss’s windshield

A friend of mine was working in a movie theater and he got a nickel raise after three years. He said he was going to save up all the nickels and put them in a sock to hit his boss over the head with.

I worked for a bank that did this shit. Gave us a packet of seeds and a note that said “Thanks for helping us GROW!”

Love that the staple pierces the mint's wrapper, essentially contaminating it and rendering it potentially unsafe to eat. So you don't even get that, lol.

Time to find new employMINT.

The corner is missing from the package, but slightly to the left the corner can be found underneath another staple.

I almost thought they re-used the paper for the next guy

I mean it seems outrageously greedy, but stop and think about it: if they'd paid for a pizza party, the banner would've had to read "Thanks for driving sales and beating plan by $5,999,727!!" And that's just ugly.

This is like in the UK when everyone clapped for the NHS workers during the COVID pandemic, including the PM and other government ministers.

But when said workers ask for a pay rise? Fuck off

Actually adding the amount of additional money you made them to the card is the cherry on top.

That's the worst part to me. There are some people who skew very positive and would just think "Aww, that's sweet" without that, but who could fail to notice it when their nose is rubbed into it?

I feel this will just breed resentmint

My company gave everyone a 5% bonus just because we beat the forecasted numbers, but idk a mint looks fine too

I kept thinking "surely this was attached to something else and they didn't just give a mint and a few stupid jokes". Then I noticed another one of these stuck to a locker in the background. What pieces of trash. You don't show appreciation by saying "You are appreciated". You show appreciation by compensating your employees for their work.

I kind of don’t care what company / industry / whatever this was. If you surpassed sales targets by $6 million dollars, you have some cash for decent gifts. Hell a six pack of beer would be something… don’t print me out a goddamn insult. At the same time, knowing how sales compensation usually works, these folks probably got hella paid, weak gifts aside.

Give me the money, I'll treat myself instead of giving me something I might not even want.

No, you don't understand, that profit is for shareholders and executives. They were the ones that bravely cut lunch breaks and asked the staff to work harder, and they deserve the fruits of the staff's labour.

All the employees did was produce 100% of the value, but that's just their job. Can't go setting any precedents by rewarding them.

I broke my back to make a company's CEO $6,000,000 and all I got was this stupid Polo mint

AND 2 used staples. Don't you forget that.

I had to go back and look after your comment and it made me realize that the mint is already open and they stapled the torn off piece of the wrapper to it too.

Your labor is worth 6 million dollars. How much of that do you get?

Their labor is worth 6 million more than they thought because it was exceeding plan not total sales

For fuck sake, not even a werther's.

Hey at least they splurged on actual life savers

And stapled through the package, ripped the corner and then stapled through the packaging AGAIN.

The employees don't need packaging they probably eat off the floor.

You let your employees eat?

You let your employees use the floor??

I force mine to float through the power of will in order to save on cleaning.

Luxury, I make mine crawl under the floor and dock their pay for every tile they move out of place on my intricate mosaic tile floor.

Clearly the boss is not a grandparent.

Thanks boss. Have a quit mint.

Abandonmint

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During university I had a part-time job at a business that sells coachings, seminars and online courses to executives and management. It's disgusting how these people talk and think about their employees.

And it's disgusting what they learned through coachings. It's always about how to distract or guild trip employees who dare to ask for more money or who don't work overtime. They aren't even shy about it.

It is gross, but I find the honesty a little refreshing.

Half of the time in meetings I wonder if we're really trying to accomplish what we're saying we are or if the whole thing is farcical and driven by ulterior motives.

I got a paper sack with a note like this and a bag of peanuts and a slim jim (one of the small ones, not the big ones).

I would be dumping that shit on the ground. And slipping the janitor $10 later for the mess.

$10 for the janitor, get the fuck outta here, clean your own damn mess or pay up. What's fucking next, slip me your EncourageMint. This is crazy.

I got a star-shaped paperweight with my name on it together with 100 dollars worth of gift cards.

This for two years in a row, because everyone really needs two star-shaped paperweights with their name on them.

The truth of the above statement is borne out by its sheer pedestrian banality in the sense that it's not something anyone would ever bother to lie about.

The sad part about it is that I am a dues-paying union member. One can only imagine how much worse it is for the non-union blokes.

At least the union gives me a way to fight back and to have a little dignity and self-respect.

I may join our union but I feel like they're a captive organization. They negotiated 1.5% cost of living raises for us 2022-2024. We had a lot of old-timers who are retiring with pensions now and they can't find anybody to hire at the starting wages they have on offer.

That's totally fair. My union threatened to strike and ran pickets in 2019 and basically got what we asked for, little though it was.

We authorized a strike in 2022 and the signatory contractors basically gave us most of what we wanted because they didn't want to lose out on the "CHIPS" act money.

Now here we are with billions on the table, and I think it's time to strike again.

There are also regional dynamics at play, but fortunately my union is on top of all that and we are planning accordingly.

This karma whoring. If you're in a position to create $6m in revenue without variable comp, I don't know WTF you do for a living. Your deserve a mint.

I'm sure op is part of some giant sales org.

Although the optics are still really bad. Maybe the CEO is dividing that by employee count in his head, but most people are just going to see a sum that would be enough to never work again.

How to radicalize your workforce 101

Oh come on. Obviously you’re very appreciated. Says right there. 😜

Shit like that is when I start keeping notice of good places around the work place to start fucking fires.


(The above comment is not advocating for arson or any other related crimes. It is however advocating for keeping a keen eye out in your work place surroundings, which is sound advice for all.)

Better than the fake money (representing the record profits they had made) they handed out at a previous employer of mine. I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be funny.

Six million in extra sales and they give you a life saver? If you only make the shareholders an extra 5 million do they rob your house to make up the difference?

It looks like they were going to give two mints but thought better of the added expenditure.

They were shipped back to the same sweatshop in Bangladesh to have the 2nd mints ripped off. The whole operation cost the equivalent of 47 pizza parties.

One of my SOs supervisors actually gave gold stars for good work. These were full grown adults, with children/mortgages/cars and, they thought, professional careers. She had worked there over 30 years when this happened.

Moral was quite affected by this "genius idea"!

I've seen this image before...

..and yet I never noticed that this person is so low to the ground in a file cabinets room, that they must be sitting on the floor.

Don't salespeople make a lot of money on commission if they're involved in selling expensive equipment? Like, even if they have a 1% commission, if they sell a state of the art MRI machine that goes for $3 million that's a good $30,000 from just one client alone. Even without a salary, it only takes a few sales per year to make a living wage.

They can, but $3mil dollar deals don’t just line up outside your office. Getting 3 of those per year like clockwork probably isn’t normal.

Not normal or everyday perhaps, but the equipment is still needed for other businesses to function.

Also the notion that sales is the most important department in corporate since they, well, bring in the sales.

Also the notion that sales is the most important department in corporate since they, well, bring in the sales.

The sales people can't sell anything without the people who make the actual equipment. On the other hand things still sell without sales people. One of the largest contracts at my company was a company that reached out to us unprompted.

They may have only been able to reach out do to the work of sales getting the company name out there, advertising, or word of mouth through engagement that sales were responsible for. In a healthy company all departments are vital to success.

I never really got this point of view. It seems like possibly the shallowest take you can have about a successful company, imo, besides blaming all success on the CEO. The sales people wouldn't have anything to sell without the people making the goods or service to be sold, and they'd soon be out of a job anyway if the goods and services being produced were no good. The people making the goods and services wouldn't have any work to do without the sales people actually moving product. The CEO is necessary, too, but it would seem to me that the importance any given worker has can be qualified by asking how bad it would be if that entire team disappeared overnight. If the c-suite up and vanished overnight, you probably wouldn't notice for a while, and the business could coast for a bit (not too long) without sales, but it'd be just about instant bedlam if the people at the action layer of the business, the ones who actually provide the service or create the goods the company sells, all vanished.

Sales people generally make a commission, but you're assuming they are selling expensive equipment to begin with. My cousin does inside sales at a tire company, mostly tires for construction vehicles. His commission is based on whether they meet sales numbers, and is considered part of his "normal" income, typically referred to as "on target earnings" or OTE.

A company that beat their number by $6mil and isn't popping champagne means they are probably a billion dollar or more corporation.

Source: I work in pre-sales, get commission, do not get mints or pizza. I did get a $40 credit to our company store, which lets me buy shirts and hoodies with the company logo on it WITH MY OWN MONEY.

Here's my guess. There was a decent incentive payout, which is why they explicitly mention the +$6m. Some idiot person in HR thought this "mint" play on words would be clever without realizing how it would be exploited. By people like you.

Here's my guess: this is a prison warden thanking his inmates for the slave labor that helped his investors profit off of the prison industrial complex. This is fun! I like making shit up with you.