Wow, when they were practically giving those away, I figured they were washing their hands of it. It's amazing that it's still being supported.
Mine was $1! I love it. I just bought a wireless mouse and keyboard for it, because it's honestly just a great way to stream stuff. Now my computer can be in my living room, and my office at the same time!
I've got one I never hooked up. Can you just control the computer in general or do you only get access to steam? I wanted to jellyfin with it maybe
You can do both. The default is Big Picture mode, but you can back out if it and get a desktop.
But, you'll basically have to be a foot or two from the PC to read anything unless you have a desktop environment set up for a large screen (KDE plasma has a TV version)
You can control the computer but it boots in big picture so you need to escape it to get to the desktop
Isn't that a setting, and you can make it connect without launching big picture, so it's basically just pc streaming?
Yes, I have one and remember doing just that.
Oh cool I didnt know that. That's handy
Can control it in general, but the first few times you'll have to run over and look at the monitor to do stuff.
It generally assumes it's being used "close" to the computer, so instead of complex pairing, it just shows a code on one you type into the other.
Sometimes windows will get antsy and pop up a dialogue that can only be interacted with locally, but it's only one or twice ever.
So, would you say, shit just works?
I remember that sale and annoyed I didn't buy one. At the time I thought I'd never use it. Fast forward a few years and I occasionally use Steam Link on a Raspberry Pi, so I would have used it. Oh well.
Think about it though. Probably some overlap with the deck. And hiring one dev very part time to keep this thing alive is nothing for them. Which makes the steam deck way more lucrative
Tell me you don't know how valve works without telling me you don't know how valve works.
How do they work?
Flat structure. If you want to work on something, work on it; if it's not interesting to you, find something else. If you have an idea find people that also seem passionate for it and start making it, if you can't find people then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's why valve rarely makes anything, but when they do it's super high quality
Means that there is this one dev who still likes to use his steam link and so he keeps maintaining the project
I just read in Wikipedia that Valve is privately helded.
There must be something magical in the fact that they don't need to feed their shareholders with mountains of cash every quarter, and actually focus on their customers, as happened in this post.
Fun fact, they used to be public but Gabe took it back private after realizing how shitty it was having to answer to shareholders.
That's an interesting piece of info
True, private companies are generally more focused on customer satisfaction, but that can suddenly change, for instance when the owner dies, and the new owners don't share the same ideals.
Private companies have a certain single point of failure built-in by having often just one or sometimes a small number of owners.
Nobody really knows what will happen when Gabe dies.
I just hope that valve becomes a worker cooperative... That would be the most stable form of company that probaly stays focused on customer satisfaction long term, since workers tend to favor providing long-term profits via good service instead of short term gains, for high frequency traders.
Gabe-AI, it's the only one I'd trust to run Valve. We need to preserve his personality starting today!
And the fact is they still make a mountain of cash every quarter, just by focusing on their customers.
I don’t know about that. They run one of the most predatory examples of gambling in gaming.
The new EU ruling really brought to light how big of a problem the CS:GO gambling is.
Is gambling really that bad though? It's voluntary. Valve isn't forcing you to buy keys or cases if you don't want them
It's addictive. We regulate other addictive things like cigarettes, no reason we shouldn't put guard rails on gambling. We already do, but I think we've got to the end regs in a few areas.
Same argument could be made for Heroin that is illegal as fuck.
And the fact is they still make a mountain of cash every quarter, just by focusing on their customers.
"Win-Win" for the win!
but what about the latest investment fad like AI or NFTs? Won't they think of the poor scammers?
to be fair Sony still updates the ps3, i think
Also to be fair they tried to kill PSN store on the PS3 but the resulting backlash made them realize to do so would kill customer faith in the PS4 and PS5 PSN stores and so they backed off. Nintendo could only get away with it because they already trained us not to trust their online stores and buy physical only. Since Steam doesn’t have a physical option they need to play their cards right.
They only do it to make sure the latest Blu Rays work AFAIK. this is also how they get the decryption keys for the latest movies lol
Twitter (sorry, X.com) is also privately held now so it's not always a happy story :/
Ofc not, what you need to show is a public company that does not fuck over customers
Easy answer. Valve prints money.
That's actually really awesome.
I bought one during the clearance sale for the price of shipping, assuming that it would be abandoned but maybe still useful as a low-power linux server. I guess I ought to set it up and take advantage of it.
Thanks, Valve, for not letting these things become instant e-waste.
I thought this too, but unfortunately in terms of modding and general use they are very limited, afaik. When I looked into it, it boiled down to: There's an sdk to develop stuff for it and you can get root access but good luck trying to replace the os or anything like that.
That being said, this is what I remember from ~2 years ago, so if it can be customised more now, please let me know. I kinda bought 2 in hopes of being able to do that :D
I meant that I ought to use it for its intended purpose after all.
(But yes, I would still like the option of replacing the OS.)
Honestly, I wouldn't bother replacing the OS. It'll more than make up for the cost in labor to just buy a raspberry pi and install the steam link software on it. The steam link hardware is not nearly beefy enough to do anything interesting with.
I just let mine be a little magic box for couch gaming.
Why would you need sdk? It's literally linux box. Just use GCC.
It seems to be more for if you actually want something that makes use of the screen and gamepad input and then you can launch it from the UI. https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steamlink-sdk
Thanks for link. Seems like regular buildroot for crosscompilation. I'm more wondering if it is using X11, wayland or KMS/DRI.
On the first glance seems to use dri. Basically linux box.
I thought you could literally install sunlight/moonlight on it and have an even better experience. I never got around to trying after it got recommended to me
Every time I've tried to use it, I've either had to head downstairs to the PC to fix something or had terrible lag and artifacting making it unusable for even turn based games like Xcom...
But I still love that little box. I've got two of them and I have Steam Controllers to pair with them but I've never had luck with them. Wired, wireless, no luck.
Have you tried Moonlight? It's an open source streaming alternative software that you can install on Steam Links, streams using Nvidia's GeForce Experience as the broadcasting part and Moonlight receives it.
Unfortunately the NVIDIA part isn't open-source. With that said, for what they are, products like Moonlight and Parsec actually are really good.
Agreed. I prefer Parsec where available but Moonlight gets better performance on my Android TV box.
Moonlight was a better alternative a few years ago when I tried it but I just built more computers. I've got three towers in the same room at this point, not to mention the Switch and Steam Deck. If I'm ever far enough away from video games to make me consider streaming them, I'm usually too lazy to bother.
Every time I’ve tried to use it, I’ve either had to head downstairs to the PC to fix something or had terrible lag and artifacting making it unusable for even turn based games like Xcom…
That's not normal. While Steam Link is a bit older by now and as a result there are constrains like streamed resolution, your problems look more likely connected to your network than Steam Link itself. Digital Foundry talked about PlayStation Portal recently which also includes a two minutes chapter about best practices that apply to other game streaming devices as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEoo_gbOBYo
I use mine all the time. It's a great peice of hardware
Maybe the Steam Link and Controller weren’t as popular as Valve hoped they would be, but damn everyone who still has them seems to love them.
Maybe I’m biased because I still have my controller and love it, and I gave away my Steam link because my Deck can do that too, but my friend who received the link is loving it.
The Steam Controller is one of the best pieces of hardware I ever bought. There's something incredibly chill about playing strategy games not originally meant for controller on the couch. I also genuinely like fiddling with cool setups and radial menus for it.
I never really liked the Steam Controller when it first came out. My Dad was actually the one that had gotten them and even he seemed to have set them aside after awhile, as they just collected dust for ages after that. I picked them up from him a few years back and I've started using them with my Steam Deck and they're actually pretty nice, I get it now, though I kind of wish they still had analog sticks. They still work fine though after all these years, while every set of Xbox-style controllers I keep getting for my kids last for maybe 6 months before they're useless.
I loved my stream controller so much I recently bought a second on eBay
Bruh steam controller goes for 200$ idk what you talking bout
Valve was selling their controllers for $5 to blow out the stock (one per account).
So a good year to use a static avatar and a readable user name is what you're saying?
100$ pay pal and you can choose my font and image
I’m talking about how Valve dumped them for $5 a piece because they clearly weren’t selling enough.
It's technically a collectors item now
I love mine. It does one thing, and it does it well. That's exactly what I wanted from it
Eh, I've had issues with mine being able to stream 1080p@60fps with my pc on wifi without it lagging like crazy, and my desktop had a strong AX connection to the AP (and speed/latency/jitter tests to and from the router were perfectly normal).
It's definitely starting to show its age, but it's great if you're streaming at 30fps.
I would definitely not recommend a wifi connection for this
That's the thing about Valve. They really know and do software as good as anyone else in the business.
Let's not pretend alt tabbing a source game was possible pre 2013
True, but the Steam overlay is a good workaround
Steam Overlay is laggy and cluttered and unintuitive. Valve does a lot well, but every piece of its software, aside from Proton, is almost hostilely worse than competitors’.
Have you not seen updated Ubisoft store?
Not like anyone else, they're unique.
This post reminded me that I have a Steam Link. Somewhere.
Somewhere, someplace, steam link is there
I put mine in the original packaging and donated to one of these gifts for kids collections.. in hind sight that product was so niche especially being pc gaming is probably quite rare in low income families I can't imagine any kid being happy with it so I feel a bit guilty!
I teach lower income students and they love technology as much as the rest of us. They usually opt for used electronics and a lot of them are getting scammed into buying secondhand enterprise rigs that are converted into shitty gaming PCs, but don't worry, you made some nerd's day.
Don't even need the hardware anymore. The Android app is really good on its own. I can even play games while not on my own home network with minimal lag so long as I am on 5G or wifi. I use it to play a few rounds of Civilization when waiting at the doctor.
Kolanak, I've seen you comment on so many threads on Lemmy. I thank you for A. Being an active commenter, B: having valuable opinions and instigating discourse and C: having your name in emoji format so people clearly see you.
Well done.
Emoji format? What client you on?
Not OP but I'm on Sync and this is what it looks like
Started on Jerboa bc it existed
Went to Wefwef
Excitedly supported Boost release after many many years on Reddit
Realized I missed features from the other two
Ended up back on Wefwef
Wondering if I'm on whack clients
FWIW Jerboa looks the same as what Sync shows
I too am using Sync and this is indeed what it looks like 😄
I'm on Connect and it looks the same to me
I sideload the app onto fire sticks. Works fine for the most part. Played games like plateup and RPGs without issue
Android app is so buggy though.
Right now for whatever reason it refuses - on two different android TVs - to stream from either Steam Deck or desktop (for Steam Deck I get sound but black screen, for desktop it genuinely crashes). Tried with Steam Link hardware and it's fine for some reason. But that's just the latest issue.
Feels like a nice symptom of Valve's flat structure.
Feels like a nice symptom of Valve’s flat structure.
Elaborate?
I was curious about it too and there was a paper about it with the following summary:
Valve is a “flat” company without a management hierarchy or traditional boss roles: instead of top-down organization and management, Valve employees are free to work on whatever projects they choose and to convince other employees to join collaborative groups. Decision-making is thus “democratized” rather than centralized in key management positions. This peculiar structure, or lack thereof, seems to challenge conventional ideas about organization not only in the video game business but also business in general.
Uhhh, that sounds really nice! I think that also explain why I personally dont have the feeling that it is completely derailing, like a lot other companies. In the end, while I'm not the biggest fan of Valve, I'm more than willing to recognise the impact they made, especially for Linux gaming. Without them, we would be in a completely different spot now. I'm sure that these kind of decisions, which oftentimes turn out to be industry-changing, are facilitates by this organisational structure.
So yeah, thank you Gabe for not making the company accountable to shareholders and actually not completely driving your user base against the wall. It is highly appreciated.
It's not all nice unfortunately, but definitely one of the better models.
They have pretty sad problems with being a male dominated cutthroat environment. The workers can fire each other over stupid things and get status from harsh mutual overseeing and that, so it's not very humane in there
Thanks for sharing that, but I was already aware of their flat structure.
What I was asking specifically was for elaboration on the comment of the analysis of the 'symptom' of the flat structure, and not the existence of the flat structure.
Not that the flat structure causes the symptom, but how it causes the symptom.
Maybe, but it's far more likely it's just dependancies and other 3rd party library packages being updated.
The Steam Link Linux package also still gets the rare update now and then on my old Ras Pi, but mostly these days it's just the Android app being given bug fixes (even though the last one is from October).
This post reminded me that it's supposed to be used for gaming. I've had mine since it was first released and have always used it to turn my TV into a PC monitor to watch YouTube and Movies from my bed
If you have proper full continuous deployment infrastructure setup then you can do minor updates of things like dependencies automatically. I'd guess that's what's happening here.
Amazing how many products just don't.
But…but…vAlve doEsNt suPpoRt iTs haRdWare
I've never seen people say this, but if they do, fuck em
It depends what you mean by support. They made the Steam Link for 3 years and have not made it for 5 years.
I just wish it worked on modern linux.
spent an entire weekend trying to get steam link to work only to find out it doesnt work on wayland.
I give it eight months. Wayland support is getting better every week and some major distros plan to drop X11 by the end of the year.
Give Sunshine (host) and Moonlight (client) a try.
Haaaaaands down better quality and latency.
I would love to see Valve embrace these projects and integrate them for streaming in app at least, maybe even run on Links?
Does Sunshine/Moonlight only work on PCs that have Nvidia cards, or also those with AMD video cards?
Read further down to this comment that had a link to the product page and what it supported.
Thank you to those who had already responded.
Works great on AMD as well. I moved from a 2800 Super to an AMD 7900xt, and its almost latency free even at 4k on gigabit wired. Reasonable on WiFi, even across the house.
Ooh! I've been looking for something like this, but didn't know the right words to google.
The Deck uses Wayland so that doesn't make sense.
And I've definitely streamed to my laptop to test a few years ago and it worked well enough.
Steam Link is a piece of hardware in this case, not the software you are discussing (I would guess?).
neither work with wayland.
It probably doesn't work on your wayland compositor. Screencasting still is not part of protocol.
One of the primary reasons for moving to Wayland is it's native security when it comes to screen sharing. To properly screen share you need xdg-desktop-portal installed. You should then get a selection window on the server side asking which window you want to share over the steam link session with the client.
A lot of people just use moonlight/sunshine now though instead of steamlink.
This post got me to dig mine out after all these years.
After literally 99 updates, I got it running and again and played some games from the couch. It was a good time! I don’t know why I packed it away.
Valve needs to update this little dude, but they never will, of course.
Most smart devices have steam link streaming built in now...which is sadly why they retired the hardware
The hardware that became an app, good thing it has updates yet.
What do you use it for?
As someone who continues using a Steam Link for its original intended use of game streaming, this strikes me as a somewhat silly question. Haha.
Maybe I am just not adventurous enough with mine to consider other uses?
I often use it to watch Hulu and such on my tv, as even though the tv has its own app, I can't put an adblocker on those, but I can use my browser through the steam link and have all the ads blocked. Just one other type of use for it!
Also can be used to stream from less reputable sources, which don't have TV apps and don't work with Chromecast
Neat. This would be a way to run SponsorBlock too.
A PiHole can be a good solution for ads like that.
Yeah I have one set up - it's sorta meh.
Most ads from things you look at can be stopped by just an ad blocker plugin for the browser (uBlock Origin). The Pi can't stop ads when they come directly from the sever of the company you're viewing (like from YouTube or Facebook ads).
The Pi just has a library of known advertising domains and doesn't let those past the router, but because the major corps like YouTube don't use 3rd party domains, the Pi won't stop it.
For the TV scenario here id recommend just installing a new Linux based OS on it as this would be just as good as the streaming device, but free.
In my experience, it works a little better if you add some more third party blocklists and custom RegEx.
However, the main pain point is the first one you mentioned: if the ads come from the same server as the content, blocking the ads also blocks the content. So you do have to rely on other solutions to block ads of that nature.
Chiming in a bit further on this. Quite a few (Google) devices and apps have started using DNS over Https servers to circumvent things like pihole. Blocking known IP's on my firewall has helped effectiveness quite a bit.
Use a dns server that does ad blocking for you. Or, just run a pi hole. Even an old 3B will handle it fine. I do both, but my VPN company provides the dns services.
Although some streaming services won't let you watch anything if you don't unblock their advertising (which is a good reason to unsubscribe)
That's a lot more work than just continuing to use the solution I already have set up for the same end result.
I'm surprised it still gets support ans I guess treaning games from pc rather than plugging pc in just isnt as common in general.
When I had one it was great for streaming games to the living room from my PC. There are so many great couch party games on the PC and by using the link we could get controllers and video to stream perfectly.
Did you not ever have to have a controller plugged in the host and Link per player? That's a quirk I've faced using my laptop as the Steam Link device, streaming from my desktop.
Wireless controllers 🤷🏽♀️
I used mine same way but I been spoiled by high res from just long hdmj cable.
I use mine all the time. I use it to play games and watch TV/movies through my computer. I plan on using it for my kids account because games are so much cheaper on PC and have support forever.
I can plug any of my controllers in or m&k and have zero issues doing whatever I want.
It's a shame it died so quickly.
I wanted to like it. I used it for couch co-op a handful of times but always had so many issues. After troubleshooting it for the 10th time, it became ewaste and I just setup chairs next to my small computer monitor. It's a shame.
I still have my old one. I used to use it to stream Steam to my living room TV, since my gaming PC was in my office on my second floor. The wife wanted to hang out, but she'd always be distracted on her phone and there wasn't room in my office for us to comfortably sit together, so I'd game from the TV while she sat with me on the couch.
I haven't used the physical Steam Link in a few years, though. My newest Smart TV has a Steam Link app on it, which does everything the physical device did. Maybe that's why the physical one still gets updates; because the software is still being supported as a TV app.
Why I'm surprised there is still a use for it. But also not really since older hardware doesn't mean bad hardware, just uncommon.
Mine never worked very well. I'm assuming it's very dependent on which GPU you have.
Had much better results with Moonlight and Sunshine.
I could not get either to work. Then discovered my root issue was my firewall so have up.
I swapped over to a Sunshine host (non-NVidia version of Moonlight) + Moonlight client combo for game streaming and it absolutely blew Steamlink out of the water for me. Went from lag, resolution switching and disconnects to buttery smooth on my Pi400 at 1080p.
I understood some of these words...
So you're running linux alternatives on the raspberry made for TV?
Sunshine is the open source version of gamestream server, moonlight is the client. It runs on all major desktop OSes.
Host PC is AMD graphics which the host end of Moonlight (the game streaming tool) doesn't support, but there is an open source fork called Sunshine that you can use instead. It's a Windows 10 machine, so no need for Linux and is wired to my LAN with a powerline adaptor.
Client is my Raspberry Pi 400, running Moonlight, on the latest version of PiOS with my controllers bluetoothed. It's wired to my LAN with a network switch and connected to my TV.
huh I was using the nvidia shield and switched to sunshine when they shut it down. had heaps of issues then went to steamlink which seemed better. last game I tried was slow as though, maybe I should give sunshine another run
Love mine, use it constantly to play games in the living room!
Same! That thing is so useful.
I love this little piece of hardware.
Wow , Valve is really an amazing company!!
I bought one back in the day but always had input/video lag. Does yours work smoothly?
I use one and it's pretty smooth. Depends on the connection though. Definitely needs wired connection.
Or a strong wifi network. I have a bunch of wired access points and was able to get really smooth streaming
Mine was never willing to work on WiFi, so it got put in a box for a while until I ran my own Ethernet cables all around the house. Now it's great!
I have lag even with wired connection.
Fair. It's not foolproof like that. All networks are not created equal and also different people may have different thresholds for noticing
Pretty sure the network is not the issue. Not sure what is, though. I suspect HiDPI or the GPU.
It’s been so long since I used it that I can’t remember if I had it wired or wireless. I’ll have to break it out and try it again.
When I had it wireless it was inconsistent. Sometimes it was fine, sometimes unplayable.
I had to tweak some settings on my PC and lower the output to 720p but mine seems to work pretty well with that.
Maybe you need to put your tv in gaming mode so that the refresh rate is adapted to the input. Had the same problem with my AppleTV
And what are those updates?
Are they adding new features? Patching security? Fix bugs? Or just update their DRM with new encryption codes?
Latest update is 2021. My steamlink updates everytime i power it on, its like the updates are not persisted anymore.
Edit: i was dumb.
Changes in build 882: Fixed 8BitDo Ultimate Bluetooth controller disconnection when using the 2.4GHz dongle Last edited by slouken; 23 Oct, 2023 @ 10:43pm
Looks like last update was Oct 23
Nope. Scroll to the bottom where you'll see when the page was last edited. Near the end of last year.
I stand corrected, my apologies. I was just looking at the post dates.
I don't know what it is but I don't get sound on mine, at least for most games.
After seeing this post, I got my Link out and tried it. I initially didn't have sound either, but this comment on the bad site helped me resolve it. TLDR: re-installing the steam speaker driver thing.
Sometimes my pc gets confused on which sound output it's supposed to use. Have you tried alt-tabbing out of the game on your pc and setting the sound output to the steam link?
It's been some time so I don't remember what I tried. I'll give it another try some time.
It's dumb, but sometimes windows refuses to acknowledge that audio can work if you don't have an audio device currently "active".
On my old computer I just plugged a headphone extender into the back and that fixed it, since it saw there was a connected audio device, even though there weren't even headphones attached.
I'm sure there was a better fix, but a cable on the back wasn't really bothersome.
I wish they'd still sell those as hardware units. Same with the Steam controller.
Sadly, they can't sell the controller anymore because they got patent trolled.
They must've dealt with it somehow, otherwise the steamdeck would be in violation as well.
Fucking great. Do they even make anything themselves?
Edit: I looked it up, no, they don't seem to actually make anything. They have a whopping 26 employees and make about $35m in revenue.
I'm unsure what I'm going to do when my steam controller breaks. No other controller even comes close, including the Xbox controller that I consistently see recommended. The gyro especially is so fucking nice, and AFAIK nothing else has one that works the same way.
I can't believe people shit on the controller when it was released, they had no clue.
I think it had to do with the touchpads introducing a learning curve. Tbh I think if they decide to redo it then they should add swappable physical modules, so you can literally swap the touchpads for a stick/d-pad, or trackballs, or whatever fits. I can't remember if they patented that or just had a prototype with it, either way I thought it was cool and was kinda disappointed it didn't make it into the final version.
I still use mine just about everyday.
Uh! I gotta find mine and try this! Thanks!
Yeah still use mine! Best way to stream from my PC upstairs to my TV downstairs!
This is my exact usage case.
My steamlink always updates when i power it on. Its like the updates are not persisted anymore. There is nothing new being added.
Valve being a cool company might be true and all but I think there’s also the real reason that steam makes money by selling games, and making it easy for users to stick to gaming (with steam) ensures ongoing income. Imagine someone who now loves gaming on TV but being annoyed by their broken steam link - what are they going to buy next? A PlayStation and years without a game sold to them.
I wish I had one of these 😩
I used to run the service through the app on my Samsung TV and it ran mostly ok before Samsung pulled the plug on it last year.
I tried setting up a second PC to run it through but I get awful frame loss even on a wired connection, and even in the Steam menus!
They’re like 30 bucks on eBay.
Ya, I've thought about it. I've always figured they'd stop working at some point, but then a post like this shows up, heh.
You can also install the software on them on a raspberry pi or something, and set it up to boot into it automatically.
For the price, it can give you better Network connection and moderately better performance. It's not super significant though, just another way to do it if you have a spare device laying around.
Yikes, if a Raspberry Pi can handle it, then something must be really wrong with my spare PC setup. It's got a 4690k and a GTX 950 in there. Don't know what it could be though, fiddled with every setting I could think of.
Yeah, it doesn't need much on the side that's being streamed to.
Biggest thing is that it's pretty sensitive to network speed, so wired is usually noticably better. Depending on the OS you have running, you might also be able to make some tweaks to prioritize the steam link software, network and graphics output.
If you have more than one core, chances are that won't make a difference though.
It's also a decent idea to temper your expectations. You're not going to be getting 60fps at high resolutions, or super great input latency.
I know that some people have higher standards, and so two people can be getting the same experience and ranking it radically different.
My setup is over a wired connection, and it's reporting zero packet loss. I figure it has to be something on the PC being streamed to. I could try prioritization, but yeah, quad core, so not sure. Worth a shot.
I got 60fps when I was running it through my TV's app, so this result certainly surprised me.
That's amazing! I wonder what things are left to polish or update 🤔
It's got little bits in it that connect to the network and handle basic encryption and such. Over time, those libraries will all have small bugs fixed in them, and it's important enough to update them that it's worth updating the device, regardless of any other changes to make sure it can keep talking to the steam client on the computer and stuff.
Oh, I have one of those laying around somewhere. Need to get a power adapter for it. Or I guess a USB to barrel adapter would do?
I have one of these that I never use. Good to know they're still getting updates. I do have a potential application for mine in the near future.
I love mine. Had audio streaming break for me but switched my desktop to Linux. Back to perfect function.
Wow, when they were practically giving those away, I figured they were washing their hands of it. It's amazing that it's still being supported.
Mine was $1! I love it. I just bought a wireless mouse and keyboard for it, because it's honestly just a great way to stream stuff. Now my computer can be in my living room, and my office at the same time!
I've got one I never hooked up. Can you just control the computer in general or do you only get access to steam? I wanted to jellyfin with it maybe
You can do both. The default is Big Picture mode, but you can back out if it and get a desktop.
But, you'll basically have to be a foot or two from the PC to read anything unless you have a desktop environment set up for a large screen (KDE plasma has a TV version)
You can control the computer but it boots in big picture so you need to escape it to get to the desktop
Isn't that a setting, and you can make it connect without launching big picture, so it's basically just pc streaming?
Yes, I have one and remember doing just that.
Oh cool I didnt know that. That's handy
Can control it in general, but the first few times you'll have to run over and look at the monitor to do stuff.
It generally assumes it's being used "close" to the computer, so instead of complex pairing, it just shows a code on one you type into the other.
Sometimes windows will get antsy and pop up a dialogue that can only be interacted with locally, but it's only one or twice ever.
So, would you say, shit just works?
I remember that sale and annoyed I didn't buy one. At the time I thought I'd never use it. Fast forward a few years and I occasionally use Steam Link on a Raspberry Pi, so I would have used it. Oh well.
Think about it though. Probably some overlap with the deck. And hiring one dev very part time to keep this thing alive is nothing for them. Which makes the steam deck way more lucrative
Tell me you don't know how valve works without telling me you don't know how valve works.
How do they work?
Flat structure. If you want to work on something, work on it; if it's not interesting to you, find something else. If you have an idea find people that also seem passionate for it and start making it, if you can't find people then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's why valve rarely makes anything, but when they do it's super high quality
Means that there is this one dev who still likes to use his steam link and so he keeps maintaining the project
I just read in Wikipedia that Valve is privately helded.
There must be something magical in the fact that they don't need to feed their shareholders with mountains of cash every quarter, and actually focus on their customers, as happened in this post.
Fun fact, they used to be public but Gabe took it back private after realizing how shitty it was having to answer to shareholders.
That's an interesting piece of info
True, private companies are generally more focused on customer satisfaction, but that can suddenly change, for instance when the owner dies, and the new owners don't share the same ideals.
Private companies have a certain single point of failure built-in by having often just one or sometimes a small number of owners.
Nobody really knows what will happen when Gabe dies.
I just hope that valve becomes a worker cooperative... That would be the most stable form of company that probaly stays focused on customer satisfaction long term, since workers tend to favor providing long-term profits via good service instead of short term gains, for high frequency traders.
Gabe-AI, it's the only one I'd trust to run Valve. We need to preserve his personality starting today!
And the fact is they still make a mountain of cash every quarter, just by focusing on their customers.
I don’t know about that. They run one of the most predatory examples of gambling in gaming.
The new EU ruling really brought to light how big of a problem the CS:GO gambling is.
Is gambling really that bad though? It's voluntary. Valve isn't forcing you to buy keys or cases if you don't want them
It's addictive. We regulate other addictive things like cigarettes, no reason we shouldn't put guard rails on gambling. We already do, but I think we've got to the end regs in a few areas.
Same argument could be made for Heroin that is illegal as fuck.
"Win-Win" for the win!
but what about the latest investment fad like AI or NFTs? Won't they think of the poor scammers?
to be fair Sony still updates the ps3, i think
Also to be fair they tried to kill PSN store on the PS3 but the resulting backlash made them realize to do so would kill customer faith in the PS4 and PS5 PSN stores and so they backed off. Nintendo could only get away with it because they already trained us not to trust their online stores and buy physical only. Since Steam doesn’t have a physical option they need to play their cards right.
They only do it to make sure the latest Blu Rays work AFAIK. this is also how they get the decryption keys for the latest movies lol
Twitter (sorry, X.com) is also privately held now so it's not always a happy story :/
Ofc not, what you need to show is a public company that does not fuck over customers
Easy answer. Valve prints money.
That's actually really awesome.
I bought one during the clearance sale for the price of shipping, assuming that it would be abandoned but maybe still useful as a low-power linux server. I guess I ought to set it up and take advantage of it.
Thanks, Valve, for not letting these things become instant e-waste.
I thought this too, but unfortunately in terms of modding and general use they are very limited, afaik. When I looked into it, it boiled down to: There's an sdk to develop stuff for it and you can get root access but good luck trying to replace the os or anything like that. That being said, this is what I remember from ~2 years ago, so if it can be customised more now, please let me know. I kinda bought 2 in hopes of being able to do that :D
I meant that I ought to use it for its intended purpose after all.
(But yes, I would still like the option of replacing the OS.)
Honestly, I wouldn't bother replacing the OS. It'll more than make up for the cost in labor to just buy a raspberry pi and install the steam link software on it. The steam link hardware is not nearly beefy enough to do anything interesting with.
I just let mine be a little magic box for couch gaming.
Why would you need sdk? It's literally linux box. Just use GCC.
It seems to be more for if you actually want something that makes use of the screen and gamepad input and then you can launch it from the UI.
https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steamlink-sdk
Thanks for link. Seems like regular buildroot for crosscompilation. I'm more wondering if it is using X11, wayland or KMS/DRI.
On the first glance seems to use dri. Basically linux box.
I thought you could literally install sunlight/moonlight on it and have an even better experience. I never got around to trying after it got recommended to me
You can and it is great! https://github.com/moonlight-stream/moonlight-qt
8 years later and I still haven't used it once
Every time I've tried to use it, I've either had to head downstairs to the PC to fix something or had terrible lag and artifacting making it unusable for even turn based games like Xcom...
But I still love that little box. I've got two of them and I have Steam Controllers to pair with them but I've never had luck with them. Wired, wireless, no luck.
Have you tried Moonlight? It's an open source streaming alternative software that you can install on Steam Links, streams using Nvidia's GeForce Experience as the broadcasting part and Moonlight receives it.
https://moonlight-stream.org/
https://github.com/LizardByte/Sunshine works for AMD/Intel/Nvidia :-)
Unfortunately the NVIDIA part isn't open-source. With that said, for what they are, products like Moonlight and Parsec actually are really good.
Agreed. I prefer Parsec where available but Moonlight gets better performance on my Android TV box.
Moonlight was a better alternative a few years ago when I tried it but I just built more computers. I've got three towers in the same room at this point, not to mention the Switch and Steam Deck. If I'm ever far enough away from video games to make me consider streaming them, I'm usually too lazy to bother.
That's not normal. While Steam Link is a bit older by now and as a result there are constrains like streamed resolution, your problems look more likely connected to your network than Steam Link itself. Digital Foundry talked about PlayStation Portal recently which also includes a two minutes chapter about best practices that apply to other game streaming devices as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEoo_gbOBYo
I use mine all the time. It's a great peice of hardware
Maybe the Steam Link and Controller weren’t as popular as Valve hoped they would be, but damn everyone who still has them seems to love them. Maybe I’m biased because I still have my controller and love it, and I gave away my Steam link because my Deck can do that too, but my friend who received the link is loving it.
The Steam Controller is one of the best pieces of hardware I ever bought. There's something incredibly chill about playing strategy games not originally meant for controller on the couch. I also genuinely like fiddling with cool setups and radial menus for it.
I never really liked the Steam Controller when it first came out. My Dad was actually the one that had gotten them and even he seemed to have set them aside after awhile, as they just collected dust for ages after that. I picked them up from him a few years back and I've started using them with my Steam Deck and they're actually pretty nice, I get it now, though I kind of wish they still had analog sticks. They still work fine though after all these years, while every set of Xbox-style controllers I keep getting for my kids last for maybe 6 months before they're useless.
I loved my stream controller so much I recently bought a second on eBay
Bruh steam controller goes for 200$ idk what you talking bout
Valve was selling their controllers for $5 to blow out the stock (one per account).
ETA: https://www.theverge.com/good-deals/2019/11/26/20984123/valve-steam-controller-discontinued-sale-price
but today is 2024 my good sir
So a good year to use a static avatar and a readable user name is what you're saying?
100$ pay pal and you can choose my font and image
I’m talking about how Valve dumped them for $5 a piece because they clearly weren’t selling enough.
It's technically a collectors item now
I love mine. It does one thing, and it does it well. That's exactly what I wanted from it
Eh, I've had issues with mine being able to stream 1080p@60fps with my pc on wifi without it lagging like crazy, and my desktop had a strong AX connection to the AP (and speed/latency/jitter tests to and from the router were perfectly normal).
It's definitely starting to show its age, but it's great if you're streaming at 30fps.
I would definitely not recommend a wifi connection for this
That's the thing about Valve. They really know and do software as good as anyone else in the business.
Let's not pretend alt tabbing a source game was possible pre 2013
True, but the Steam overlay is a good workaround
Steam Overlay is laggy and cluttered and unintuitive. Valve does a lot well, but every piece of its software, aside from Proton, is almost hostilely worse than competitors’.
Have you not seen updated Ubisoft store?
Not like anyone else, they're unique.
This post reminded me that I have a Steam Link. Somewhere.
Somewhere, someplace, steam link is there
I put mine in the original packaging and donated to one of these gifts for kids collections.. in hind sight that product was so niche especially being pc gaming is probably quite rare in low income families I can't imagine any kid being happy with it so I feel a bit guilty!
I teach lower income students and they love technology as much as the rest of us. They usually opt for used electronics and a lot of them are getting scammed into buying secondhand enterprise rigs that are converted into shitty gaming PCs, but don't worry, you made some nerd's day.
Don't even need the hardware anymore. The Android app is really good on its own. I can even play games while not on my own home network with minimal lag so long as I am on 5G or wifi. I use it to play a few rounds of Civilization when waiting at the doctor.
Kolanak, I've seen you comment on so many threads on Lemmy. I thank you for A. Being an active commenter, B: having valuable opinions and instigating discourse and C: having your name in emoji format so people clearly see you.
Well done.
Emoji format? What client you on?
Not OP but I'm on Sync and this is what it looks like
Started on Jerboa bc it existed Went to Wefwef Excitedly supported Boost release after many many years on Reddit Realized I missed features from the other two Ended up back on Wefwef Wondering if I'm on whack clients
FWIW Jerboa looks the same as what Sync shows
I too am using Sync and this is indeed what it looks like 😄
I'm on Connect and it looks the same to me
I sideload the app onto fire sticks. Works fine for the most part. Played games like plateup and RPGs without issue
Android app is so buggy though.
Right now for whatever reason it refuses - on two different android TVs - to stream from either Steam Deck or desktop (for Steam Deck I get sound but black screen, for desktop it genuinely crashes). Tried with Steam Link hardware and it's fine for some reason. But that's just the latest issue.
Feels like a nice symptom of Valve's flat structure.
Elaborate?
I was curious about it too and there was a paper about it with the following summary:
Uhhh, that sounds really nice! I think that also explain why I personally dont have the feeling that it is completely derailing, like a lot other companies. In the end, while I'm not the biggest fan of Valve, I'm more than willing to recognise the impact they made, especially for Linux gaming. Without them, we would be in a completely different spot now. I'm sure that these kind of decisions, which oftentimes turn out to be industry-changing, are facilitates by this organisational structure.
So yeah, thank you Gabe for not making the company accountable to shareholders and actually not completely driving your user base against the wall. It is highly appreciated.
It's not all nice unfortunately, but definitely one of the better models.
They have pretty sad problems with being a male dominated cutthroat environment. The workers can fire each other over stupid things and get status from harsh mutual overseeing and that, so it's not very humane in there
Thanks for sharing that, but I was already aware of their flat structure.
What I was asking specifically was for elaboration on the comment of the analysis of the 'symptom' of the flat structure, and not the existence of the flat structure.
Not that the flat structure causes the symptom, but how it causes the symptom.
Maybe, but it's far more likely it's just dependancies and other 3rd party library packages being updated.
The Steam Link Linux package also still gets the rare update now and then on my old Ras Pi, but mostly these days it's just the Android app being given bug fixes (even though the last one is from October).
This post reminded me that it's supposed to be used for gaming. I've had mine since it was first released and have always used it to turn my TV into a PC monitor to watch YouTube and Movies from my bed
If you have proper full continuous deployment infrastructure setup then you can do minor updates of things like dependencies automatically. I'd guess that's what's happening here.
Amazing how many products just don't.
But…but…vAlve doEsNt suPpoRt iTs haRdWare
I've never seen people say this, but if they do, fuck em
It depends what you mean by support. They made the Steam Link for 3 years and have not made it for 5 years.
I just wish it worked on modern linux.
spent an entire weekend trying to get steam link to work only to find out it doesnt work on wayland.
I give it eight months. Wayland support is getting better every week and some major distros plan to drop X11 by the end of the year.
Give Sunshine (host) and Moonlight (client) a try.
Haaaaaands down better quality and latency.
I would love to see Valve embrace these projects and integrate them for streaming in app at least, maybe even run on Links?
Does Sunshine/Moonlight only work on PCs that have Nvidia cards, or also those with AMD video cards?Read further down to this comment that had a link to the product page and what it supported.
Thank you to those who had already responded.
Works great on AMD as well. I moved from a 2800 Super to an AMD 7900xt, and its almost latency free even at 4k on gigabit wired. Reasonable on WiFi, even across the house.
Ooh! I've been looking for something like this, but didn't know the right words to google.
The Deck uses Wayland so that doesn't make sense. And I've definitely streamed to my laptop to test a few years ago and it worked well enough.
Steam Link is a piece of hardware in this case, not the software you are discussing (I would guess?).
neither work with wayland.
It probably doesn't work on your wayland compositor. Screencasting still is not part of protocol.
One of the primary reasons for moving to Wayland is it's native security when it comes to screen sharing. To properly screen share you need xdg-desktop-portal installed. You should then get a selection window on the server side asking which window you want to share over the steam link session with the client.
A lot of people just use moonlight/sunshine now though instead of steamlink.
This post got me to dig mine out after all these years.
After literally 99 updates, I got it running and again and played some games from the couch. It was a good time! I don’t know why I packed it away.
Valve needs to update this little dude, but they never will, of course.
Most smart devices have steam link streaming built in now...which is sadly why they retired the hardware
Oh yeah, that's a fair point.
Labor of Love
I love when old hardware gets update still.
The hardware that became an app, good thing it has updates yet.
What do you use it for?
As someone who continues using a Steam Link for its original intended use of game streaming, this strikes me as a somewhat silly question. Haha.
Maybe I am just not adventurous enough with mine to consider other uses?
I often use it to watch Hulu and such on my tv, as even though the tv has its own app, I can't put an adblocker on those, but I can use my browser through the steam link and have all the ads blocked. Just one other type of use for it!
Also can be used to stream from less reputable sources, which don't have TV apps and don't work with Chromecast
Neat. This would be a way to run SponsorBlock too.
A PiHole can be a good solution for ads like that.
Yeah I have one set up - it's sorta meh.
Most ads from things you look at can be stopped by just an ad blocker plugin for the browser (uBlock Origin). The Pi can't stop ads when they come directly from the sever of the company you're viewing (like from YouTube or Facebook ads).
The Pi just has a library of known advertising domains and doesn't let those past the router, but because the major corps like YouTube don't use 3rd party domains, the Pi won't stop it.
For the TV scenario here id recommend just installing a new Linux based OS on it as this would be just as good as the streaming device, but free.
In my experience, it works a little better if you add some more third party blocklists and custom RegEx.
However, the main pain point is the first one you mentioned: if the ads come from the same server as the content, blocking the ads also blocks the content. So you do have to rely on other solutions to block ads of that nature.
Chiming in a bit further on this. Quite a few (Google) devices and apps have started using DNS over Https servers to circumvent things like pihole. Blocking known IP's on my firewall has helped effectiveness quite a bit.
Use a dns server that does ad blocking for you. Or, just run a pi hole. Even an old 3B will handle it fine. I do both, but my VPN company provides the dns services.
Although some streaming services won't let you watch anything if you don't unblock their advertising (which is a good reason to unsubscribe)
That's a lot more work than just continuing to use the solution I already have set up for the same end result.
I'm surprised it still gets support ans I guess treaning games from pc rather than plugging pc in just isnt as common in general.
When I had one it was great for streaming games to the living room from my PC. There are so many great couch party games on the PC and by using the link we could get controllers and video to stream perfectly.
Did you not ever have to have a controller plugged in the host and Link per player? That's a quirk I've faced using my laptop as the Steam Link device, streaming from my desktop.
Wireless controllers 🤷🏽♀️
I used mine same way but I been spoiled by high res from just long hdmj cable.
I use mine all the time. I use it to play games and watch TV/movies through my computer. I plan on using it for my kids account because games are so much cheaper on PC and have support forever.
I can plug any of my controllers in or m&k and have zero issues doing whatever I want.
It's a shame it died so quickly.
I wanted to like it. I used it for couch co-op a handful of times but always had so many issues. After troubleshooting it for the 10th time, it became ewaste and I just setup chairs next to my small computer monitor. It's a shame.
I still have my old one. I used to use it to stream Steam to my living room TV, since my gaming PC was in my office on my second floor. The wife wanted to hang out, but she'd always be distracted on her phone and there wasn't room in my office for us to comfortably sit together, so I'd game from the TV while she sat with me on the couch.
I haven't used the physical Steam Link in a few years, though. My newest Smart TV has a Steam Link app on it, which does everything the physical device did. Maybe that's why the physical one still gets updates; because the software is still being supported as a TV app.
Why I'm surprised there is still a use for it. But also not really since older hardware doesn't mean bad hardware, just uncommon.
Mine never worked very well. I'm assuming it's very dependent on which GPU you have.
Had much better results with Moonlight and Sunshine.
I could not get either to work. Then discovered my root issue was my firewall so have up.
I swapped over to a Sunshine host (non-NVidia version of Moonlight) + Moonlight client combo for game streaming and it absolutely blew Steamlink out of the water for me. Went from lag, resolution switching and disconnects to buttery smooth on my Pi400 at 1080p.
I understood some of these words...
So you're running linux alternatives on the raspberry made for TV?
Sunshine is the open source version of gamestream server, moonlight is the client. It runs on all major desktop OSes.
https://github.com/LizardByte/Sunshine
Host PC is AMD graphics which the host end of Moonlight (the game streaming tool) doesn't support, but there is an open source fork called Sunshine that you can use instead. It's a Windows 10 machine, so no need for Linux and is wired to my LAN with a powerline adaptor.
Client is my Raspberry Pi 400, running Moonlight, on the latest version of PiOS with my controllers bluetoothed. It's wired to my LAN with a network switch and connected to my TV.
huh I was using the nvidia shield and switched to sunshine when they shut it down. had heaps of issues then went to steamlink which seemed better. last game I tried was slow as though, maybe I should give sunshine another run
Love mine, use it constantly to play games in the living room!
Same! That thing is so useful.
I love this little piece of hardware.
Wow , Valve is really an amazing company!!
I bought one back in the day but always had input/video lag. Does yours work smoothly?
I use one and it's pretty smooth. Depends on the connection though. Definitely needs wired connection.
Or a strong wifi network. I have a bunch of wired access points and was able to get really smooth streaming
Mine was never willing to work on WiFi, so it got put in a box for a while until I ran my own Ethernet cables all around the house. Now it's great!
I have lag even with wired connection.
Fair. It's not foolproof like that. All networks are not created equal and also different people may have different thresholds for noticing
Pretty sure the network is not the issue. Not sure what is, though. I suspect HiDPI or the GPU.
It’s been so long since I used it that I can’t remember if I had it wired or wireless. I’ll have to break it out and try it again.
When I had it wireless it was inconsistent. Sometimes it was fine, sometimes unplayable.
I had to tweak some settings on my PC and lower the output to 720p but mine seems to work pretty well with that.
Maybe you need to put your tv in gaming mode so that the refresh rate is adapted to the input. Had the same problem with my AppleTV
And what are those updates?
Are they adding new features? Patching security? Fix bugs? Or just update their DRM with new encryption codes?
Here you go.
Man, I love Valve.
Latest update is 2021. My steamlink updates everytime i power it on, its like the updates are not persisted anymore.Edit: i was dumb.
Looks like last update was Oct 23
Nope. Scroll to the bottom where you'll see when the page was last edited. Near the end of last year.
I stand corrected, my apologies. I was just looking at the post dates.
I don't know what it is but I don't get sound on mine, at least for most games.
After seeing this post, I got my Link out and tried it. I initially didn't have sound either, but this comment on the bad site helped me resolve it. TLDR: re-installing the steam speaker driver thing.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OculusQuest/comments/18852nj/comment/kbj5cwc/
Sometimes my pc gets confused on which sound output it's supposed to use. Have you tried alt-tabbing out of the game on your pc and setting the sound output to the steam link?
It's been some time so I don't remember what I tried. I'll give it another try some time.
It's dumb, but sometimes windows refuses to acknowledge that audio can work if you don't have an audio device currently "active".
On my old computer I just plugged a headphone extender into the back and that fixed it, since it saw there was a connected audio device, even though there weren't even headphones attached.
I'm sure there was a better fix, but a cable on the back wasn't really bothersome.
I wish they'd still sell those as hardware units. Same with the Steam controller.
Sadly, they can't sell the controller anymore because they got patent trolled.
They must've dealt with it somehow, otherwise the steamdeck would be in violation as well.
Oh they’re still getting sued.
https://www.geekwire.com/2023/valve-sued-by-immersion-in-patent-infringement-lawsuit-related-to-haptic-technology/#:~:text=A%20new%20lawsuit%20accuses%20Valve,corporation%20based%20in%20Aventura%2C%20Fla.
Fucking great. Do they even make anything themselves?
Edit: I looked it up, no, they don't seem to actually make anything. They have a whopping 26 employees and make about $35m in revenue.
I'm unsure what I'm going to do when my steam controller breaks. No other controller even comes close, including the Xbox controller that I consistently see recommended. The gyro especially is so fucking nice, and AFAIK nothing else has one that works the same way.
I can't believe people shit on the controller when it was released, they had no clue.
I think it had to do with the touchpads introducing a learning curve. Tbh I think if they decide to redo it then they should add swappable physical modules, so you can literally swap the touchpads for a stick/d-pad, or trackballs, or whatever fits. I can't remember if they patented that or just had a prototype with it, either way I thought it was cool and was kinda disappointed it didn't make it into the final version.
I still use mine just about everyday.
Uh! I gotta find mine and try this! Thanks!
Yeah still use mine! Best way to stream from my PC upstairs to my TV downstairs!
This is my exact usage case.
My steamlink always updates when i power it on. Its like the updates are not persisted anymore.
There is nothing new being added.Valve being a cool company might be true and all but I think there’s also the real reason that steam makes money by selling games, and making it easy for users to stick to gaming (with steam) ensures ongoing income. Imagine someone who now loves gaming on TV but being annoyed by their broken steam link - what are they going to buy next? A PlayStation and years without a game sold to them.
I wish I had one of these 😩
I used to run the service through the app on my Samsung TV and it ran mostly ok before Samsung pulled the plug on it last year.
I tried setting up a second PC to run it through but I get awful frame loss even on a wired connection, and even in the Steam menus!
They’re like 30 bucks on eBay.
Ya, I've thought about it. I've always figured they'd stop working at some point, but then a post like this shows up, heh.
You can also install the software on them on a raspberry pi or something, and set it up to boot into it automatically.
For the price, it can give you better Network connection and moderately better performance. It's not super significant though, just another way to do it if you have a spare device laying around.
Yikes, if a Raspberry Pi can handle it, then something must be really wrong with my spare PC setup. It's got a 4690k and a GTX 950 in there. Don't know what it could be though, fiddled with every setting I could think of.
Yeah, it doesn't need much on the side that's being streamed to.
Biggest thing is that it's pretty sensitive to network speed, so wired is usually noticably better. Depending on the OS you have running, you might also be able to make some tweaks to prioritize the steam link software, network and graphics output.
If you have more than one core, chances are that won't make a difference though.
It's also a decent idea to temper your expectations. You're not going to be getting 60fps at high resolutions, or super great input latency.
I know that some people have higher standards, and so two people can be getting the same experience and ranking it radically different.
My setup is over a wired connection, and it's reporting zero packet loss. I figure it has to be something on the PC being streamed to. I could try prioritization, but yeah, quad core, so not sure. Worth a shot.
I got 60fps when I was running it through my TV's app, so this result certainly surprised me.
That's amazing! I wonder what things are left to polish or update 🤔
It's got little bits in it that connect to the network and handle basic encryption and such. Over time, those libraries will all have small bugs fixed in them, and it's important enough to update them that it's worth updating the device, regardless of any other changes to make sure it can keep talking to the steam client on the computer and stuff.
Oh, I have one of those laying around somewhere. Need to get a power adapter for it. Or I guess a USB to barrel adapter would do?
I have one of these that I never use. Good to know they're still getting updates. I do have a potential application for mine in the near future.
I love mine. Had audio streaming break for me but switched my desktop to Linux. Back to perfect function.