I would think that would make her uniquely qualified to teach it.
Yes, many academic disciplines view fieldwork as essential. Those who abstain can even be labeled as armchair theorists.
“No officer, you don’t understand! I offered her a large grant for her to do research. Not research for me, it’s for the high schoolers! How else are they supposed to learn proper technique? Jail? For what? Providing a proper education?!”
Legalize prostitution and get rid of the stigma. It being illegal only hurts the women (mostly) in the long run. With legalization you could get rid of a lot of abuse and make it easy for these women to come forward if there is abuse. I think it would also make underage trafficking harder if prostitution was legalized.
I think we’re a long way from that, but one can hope for society.
Hurting women is the point. By keeping some people's primary form of income illegal they can be superexploited, just like undocumented migrant workers. It's no coincidence that they're also similarly at risk of kidnapping, trafficking, and violence. No work insurance, no safety net, no legal protection, no rights, no dignity, and if you get caught you are the one that gets punished instead of the people who exploit you.
Conservatives need prostitution to be illegal. If anybody with some cash could go out and get laid then the right would quickly run out of incels to recruit.
They need sex to be shameful all around. The more shame they can induce, the more leverage and control they have over everyone.
Also, sometimes prostitution SAVES marriages. Sometimes the wife likes her husband, but she just doesn't want to have sex. Or vice versa.
I don't think hurting women is the point, more like a bonus or icing on the cake.
The point is to maintain a facade that our culture is 'above' such kind of behavior, even though everyone with a brain knows it's not.
Same kind of sentiment that allows Christians/Catholics to have sex out of wedlock but still think they're 'holier than' everyone else who does the same.
It's all just hypocrisy and insecurity.
Our culture is very much in favor of hurting women, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. The harm to women is far too consistent to be a coincidence.
"Convicted prostitute" is not the condemnation the article-writer thinks it is... Work is work!
Sex work is work. This woman did nothing wrong. Fuck the puritans who fired her.
Fuck the puritans who fired her.
Ironically, there's a chance that she may have been doing just that.
My money's on a petulant john outing her after recognizing her from their kids school.
You joke, but I knew a woman who danced at a strip club to get extra money for herself and school supplies who got fired after a student's dad saw her dancing
I wasn't joking.
That's some dystopian shit on several levels
That's the world we live in, and the only reason we're seeing this story is because she was/is a teacher. The number of people affected by others' vindictive smearing for similar but in less "shocking" circumstances would lend itself to a public outcry that could very well undermine the whole "moral" control this stems from.
If you don't realize you're living in a seriously fucked dystopia already, you're likely a white cis-het male in the middle class, all due respect. Take a look around, and breathe it in.
I paid for my teaching degree by working as a prostitute. Prostitutes aren’t extra horny degenerates or something, they’re just folks trying to survive. I’d probably be a better teacher if I could still do it, because I could cut back the hours at my second job 🤷♂️
Seems like we hold teachers to higher standards than CEOs and politicians, for less money than a Walmart GM makes…
More like hold women to stricter standards than men.
Men can and are celebrated for being absolute sluts. Hell, its actively encouraged in most spaces.
Woman sleeps with more than 2 people and an inordinate amount of people will look down upon her and say all kinds of horrific things.
It's almost like we should be paying you more... But... Nahhh, MuH tAxEs!!! Wahhhh!
Sorry we all collectively suck so much :(
Thank you for your service!
Doesn't this ironically make her more qualified?
That makes her completely unironically more qualified.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought that.
That was my first thought. If anything over qualified!
Maybe that is why she was fired "you are too qualified for this job"
Sex work should not be a crime.
Sex is legal, selling thing is legal but selling sex is... Illegal?
Can someone show me the logic here?
You need to have a camera and a website to upload the video to.
The fact that prostitition is illegal over there still baffles me. It's just a job and if anyone knows about safe sex it's someone who works a profession tied to it.
If i wanted to learn about some hobby i'm sure i could learn more from a professional than some random guy.
I'm sure the misogynist gym teacher with the emotional aptitude of a 15 year old who's partner has to drink themselves ready for the same missionary sex they've had for the past decade is a great teacher of sex-ed.
we were like 14 years old when dude said "well, today's the day". then he took a banana out of one drawer of his desk, and a condom out of another drawer. like they had always been there. like they belonged there. like the box his desk came in said "sturdy construction, faux wood grain paneling, and advanced banana and condom storage solutions." he then took ten minutes to explain to us that condoms don't work, and we shouldn't trust them, and that only by not fucking will we be safe from wrath, rack and ruin. He then tried to put the condom on the banana, struggled with it being upside down for a bit, and BROKE THE FUCKING BANANA.
This was the state of sex ed in the wilds of Pennsylvania circa 2000
Sounds like abstinence would certainly be best for him and his penis.
"Perfect, all he needs to teach is abstinence anyway" -evangelicals
I mean, just my personal opinion, but abstinence does need to be taught as a co-curriculum with a large portion of relationship education (particularly what a good relationship is/has, and what a bad relationship looks like and how to leave it), and stoicism and some other philosophies that demonstrate how forgoing pleasure (for some things, for periods of time) can lead to better outcomes. I don't want my kid thinking they need to refrain from sex because it's somehow immoral, but I also don't want them to jump into every 'relationship' that comes their way in school and start having sex with someone who is just using them for their genitals.
I never said it shouldn't be taught at all, the problem is the people that want only abstinence taught. I don't necessarily believe that teaching stoicism to kids in high-school is going to do much. It'd be best taught around the age of 21 when the brain is closer to finishing development and the individual has better emotional control overall. Teaching about relationships will, as it always has been, ineffective because people don't want to hear it from someone else, they want to experience it. And they will hold lofty expectations regardless. It's good to demonstrate and show what abusive relationships look like, but beyond that people won't listen. There's a reason that it seems like the amount of abusive and shitty relationships never seems to change.
Yeah, or if you’re in [MY LOCATION] the gym teacher who decides to show his junk to his [SPORTSBALL TEAM] and gets nominated to our hall of fame….
Or the US Senate
Must have been quite some [JUNK].
Christianity, racism and corruption. Politicians love to target poor people, and prostitution is a job that often draws in the desperate. Conveniently, POC make up a large percentage of the impoverished population.
Sex trafficking is out of control in the US, yet it's never talked about by politicians. Even with Epstein, the focus was on how terrible he and his accomplices were, not on the actual problem. Not the thousands of other women and girls who are still being trafficked in the US. Legalizing prostitution is pretty much the only answer.
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I think to just put it on the level of any other basic profession is naive, and I think you know that. I'm on board, but to turn a blind eye to human trafficking is foolish. And to suggest legalizing prostitution would all of a sudden eliminate human trafficking is just as foolish.
I'm so sick of people bringing up trafficking whenever prostitution is mentioned. I just don't understand it. What do cars have to do with any of this?
Vroom, vroom
But what's it got to do with the youth in Asia?
the yoots?
Oh, look... the puritan sex hater brigade has shown up.
Globally there's way mor illegal trafficking in construction than in prostitution. So should wo do something there too?
And yes, legalizing will not eliminate human trafficking, but it would put the blame (and criminalization) away from victims.
You're missing the important point which is that when women sell their bodies it's icky. Human trafficking only matters if it's for icky reasons.
Oooooo sex scary
My god please put a spoiler tag on that word, I'm in the hospital recovering from the worst heart attack the doctors have ever seen! Scared the heebie jeebies right out of me.
Now excuse me while I look over my $200k hospital bill, might have to sell some organs for this one.
Oh shit, I read the first few words of your reply out of context and was horrified at the thought that I may have accidentally spoiled some form of media for someone. I take that shit seriously.
"Over qualified"
What, Isn't she perfect for the job then?
Overqualified.
Yeah, like they don't want a cop with too high of an IQ.
Yes she is - which is the problem. They don't really want kids to know anything about sex - it's too subversive for the "indoctrinate them when they are young" crowd.
Bro she literally has the most experience why would you fire her
She's over qualified. They couldn't afford her.
someone on the board wanted her to lower her prices
Over experienced I guess lol.
For once they had a teacher who actually knew her stuff...
Just think: hundreds of young men would know a clitoris existed before they were 30. But nnnoooo....
So much for subject matter expertise.
she probably my cousin you watch yourself bud /s
Man, your cousin is kinda hot lmao
Seems like she was over qualified
I am against prostitution being illegal. I am also against slut shaming. And I am even more against ruining someones future opportunities of ANY kind for having been in the sex work business. But befor you let anyone teach: Make sure they are a teacher. If you want to teach biology (which sex ed is a part of) to children, you better have a degree in biology and teaching, ffs.
Lol, get a load of this guy wanting a position getting paid 35k a year to have a degree.
I AM a teacher. I teach English as a foreign language and Computer Science (just CS right now). I have a gross income of slightly more than 60k a year (59k €). That’s about 3.850€ net a month after health insurance and taxes. I also have a not too shabby pension guaranteed as long as I don’t quit the job. That’s included in “my package”. Also I am tenured. I can only be fired for gross neglect or having an affair with a (minor) student, bribery or things of that nature.
The “catch” (some say advantage): That’s in Germany, not in Retardistan.
I know a teacher in Retardistan (Florida) with a master's degree and over 30 years experience pulling down just over 40k gross.
I'm generally against using the r-slur but fuck if I didn't laugh at "retardistan"
Different languages and all aside why use the r word as a teacher? It's really not necessary.
Also as a teacher from the states please don't paint such broad strokes. You make it sound shameful to teach.
Edit: to add to this, the subject of the article wasn't actually a teacher but part of a council that advised the district school board and curriculum/instruction teams.
And especially a degree in a stem field.
If you want highly skilled teachers, expect to pay wages and compensations for highly skilled workers.
I do expect that. I expect teachers to be very well compensated. You are talking about educating future generations and the sustainability of the country. Not about selling microwaves (nothing against it, it's just that I consider teachers to be as important to society as firefighters and healthcare workers).
I'd take it a step further and say that teaching is the most important job in society and point to everything going on as a result of the failure of the education system as evidence.
You had me until the sex work part. I'm sorry, but that DQs you for anything that requires a public image.
It does. But it shouldn't. There's absolutely no reason.
A few millennium of valuing monogamous relationships might be important.
I have no plans idea what you are attempting to say. "A few Millenium" is supposed to mean what, apart from being grammatically questionable?
In many more civilised places it is legal and regulated.
Nobody wants to deal with the short term issues it raises, aside from the moral police issue. Legalizing it actually increases trafficking in the legalized area, while reducing it in a larger area outside the legal one. This only happens because it's an island of legality, if it was legal everywhere then trafficking would drop much more everywhere. But Nobody wants to invite the temporary increase by being the first. Germany, for example, has higher sex trafficking than most of Europe. It also ignore the difficulty of regulation, there's a reason it is so prevalent, even where illegal. There is always going to be a strong pressure on vulnerable women, and enforcing the regulations can be incredibly difficult.
That's not to say it shouldn't be legalized. But these are the challenges it faces.
The reason why it's illegalized in the first place is that when a society has many whores it's symbolic of people selling their children into the sex trade out of poverty and usually a marker of a failing economy. See Mexico. Prostitution on the rise usually coincides with falls in a variety of economic growth vectors
She would seem to have a lot of experience in the matter though.
This sounds like the perfect person for the job.
Wouldn’t that be someone with more knowledge on sex and hygiene?
My first thought was well.
"Father expelled as PE teacher after being exposed as convicted marathon runner."
Nice of them to go the extra mile and include her maiden name for maximum shaming.
So what's the problem? They're blaming her for keeping up-to-date on topics she was teaching.
Per the Post, parents discovered several Lola Brea profiles, and noted her to be an expensive and "well-reviewed" escort, who warned that no-show clients could face a penalty of up to $3,000.
Sounds like teaching was her side-gig...
She probably had the best stocked classroom in the entire district.
The real crime here is what we pay our educators.
Whichever students had her to be their sex ed teacher must have been incredibly blessed beyond words.
Or her front business
The publication reported that a judge had signed an injunction in 2016 that prohibited specific children to visit "any place of Ashley Villalobos' residence" because she was a "known prostitute."
Lmao it's like she's poisonous or something, what the fuck
That's Exactly the woman I want teaching sex Ed.
We had a priest... Teaching sex Ed... That's like having a blind person instruct drivers Ed.
‘Convicted’ prostitute? What the fuck is this phrasing?
Prostitution is generally a crime and she was convicted. As opposed to an alleged prostitute, who may have only be charged or suspected of prostitution.
Yea sure, but the problem is that it it villainizes her when all she was doing was sex work, which is only illegal because of puritanical religious meddling.
Sex work is work, and she’s done nothing wrong other than break a morally ambiguous, at best, law. The phrasing is bullshit.
Its part of the propaganda machine, Mom working a second job as a sex worker = criminal. The wealthy fucks who have done nothing but hoarde and steal more wealth from the working class = intelligent business people.
Absolutely vile how they manipulate the people like this. The media's lack of scrutiny and questioning the states narratives and laws only make this problem worse.
The media is owned by those very same rich fucks.
And consumed by our peers.
Eh, I'm a convicted speeder and I think convicted prostitute should have about as much weight. But you just know some of her customers are the same ones calling for her removal because hypocrisy and moral superiority go hand in hand.
A speeder? As in, someone that breaks the speed limits on roads?
No, that is worse, because when you speed you are putting other's lives at risk. I never felt at risk as a bystander from someone selling sex.
You’re right to look down on me. My two speeding tickets in 33 years of driving reflect what a menace to society I’ve become. The carnage….
Congratulations! You now realize why calling someone a 'criminal' is a loaded statement!
Always have known. The law isn’t the same as morality. And being a ‘criminal’ does not make you a ‘bad person’.
In the immortal words of Zangeif: just because you’re a ‘bad guy’ doesn’t mean you’re a ‘bad’ ‘guy’.
And the only reason it's still a crime is The Bible Thumpers who vote for The Mammon Worshippers would vote them out if they legalized it. The Mammonites (Republicans) would LOVE to get their cut of those fuck profits.
The reason it's still a crime has more to do with human trafficking than religion.
As in it's easier to traffick people when they're afraid of being arrested?
I genuinely can't parse this argument.
Criminalizing the victims of human trafficking makes said crime easier, because it creates hurdles for it's victims to report it.
I failed to see why there's a controversy here
Because you don't live in Texas where the only freedom is gun toting religious freedom, and by religion they mean White Christian.
Something that bugs me: why does the headline/article seem so focused on her being a mother? Lots of people have kids. Shouldn't it say teacher or woman?
Edit: she wasn't a teacher but served on an advisory schoolboard council. I didn't read the article.
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This why you should always have a personal email and work email.
Can't be arsed to find the ads but:
It is pretty common for assholes to dox sex workers. Either by finding identifiers in ads or just using a hidden camera when they go for a session. And people REALLY do not understand just how trivial it is to access DMV records (sometimes even legally) and run those through a face recognition program.
This leads to various "reviews" that may or may not get deleted but still get indexed by search engines and make those connections.
So even if she had proper opsec, there are good odds that searching her personal email could make her ads come up regardless.
That is very true, but there are still some things that they can do to prevent soccer mom next door who can barely use a search engine.
I mean, if you are that hellbent on finding a way to victim blame during this, sure. But the vast majority of "tech savvy" users would also have no idea how to do that (just look at all the people who are proud to delete their social media accounts and orphan all their secondary data). And a lot of this is very dependent on the ad sites/boards following practices that the sex workers have no control over.
Victim blaming was not my intention. My apologies.
I can't figure out why the fact that she's a mom is the first thing in the headline.
It's to shame her for having sex at least once.
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I’m trying to figure out what her being a mom has anything to do with the story. She has kids, who gives a shit? In this country, you’re forced to do it, so what’s the point of calling someone out for it?
Shame. How dare a MoThEr engage in something so base as sex work? It's written that way explicitly to shame her.
I'm guessing either 1) it's one more thing for conservative assholes to judge her for, or 2) they think a woman's identity is tied to her ability to breed, so once she has kids she is no longer a "woman" and become a "mom."
It's not illegal to work a 2nd job!?!
Well who else better to teach the class! A true expert.
This was my thought. Who the hell else would be as knowledgeable as she.
I hope she reads this.
Use the notoriety to write a book for teenagers. Intelligent parents will buy it, and smart kids will seek it out.
So much for a skills-based education model.
Wait... Is there a difference between a prostitute and an escort? The headline makes it sound like she stopped being the former and is currently the latter.
According to the publication, escort sites bill themselves as platforms for escorts to sell time and companionship and are legal in Texas, while prostitution is not.
It's threading a very fine legal loophole. An "escort" is paid for their time, only promising to show up. They have sex with you "because I like you". It's bullshit, you know it's bullshit, they know it's bullshit, and the police know it's bullshit, but it's enough to wiggle out of legal trouble.
I wonder if a escort has said no to someone and legally kept the money.
Probably, especially if they've been put in an awful situation. Still, I'm sure it's not that common since they rely on word of mouth or online postings these days. There would be drama within the local circle of both clients and escorts.
A lot of escorts run a tight ship. I'm talking webpages with professional photography done, that sort of thing. They also worry about the safety and job security of members within their community. Someone going rogue is just bad for everyone.
^(I just realized I repeated what another person has already said my bad.)
Certainly for cases where the customer was being an asshole and the escort walked away.
Just for cases where everything was going along fine, probably, but it's not a good way to have repeat business.
"Prostitution" references a specific crime. They're saying that she's been convicted of that crime by including it in the headline. "Escort" is an occupation.
Tax evasion is illegal but tax avoidance is legal... The legal system is FUCKED
So here's something "funny."
When police do undercover stings to arrest customers of sex workers, they're described as HUMAN TRAFFICKING STING. And here, on the other hand, this person is described as prostitute [and] working escort.
Schroedinger's sex worker?
One of several reasons we have so much reported "human trafficking" cases in the US is because our current laws make it so that any time more than one person is working in an organization involved in sex work, it can magically get redefined as human trafficking even if no workers were forced to be there doing the job.
There have been cases of two sex workers that were roommates being accused of trafficking each other because the material aid of being roommates qualified them as traffickers. Or drivers employed by a sex worker to literally escort them to and from clients/airports to take them to and from the airport being busted as pimps and traffickers.
And of course, the whole thing about interstate travel turning sex work into trafficking is loaded with its own horseshit. It's just a reality for a sex worker that the "new girl in town" gets more business, so there's a huge financial incentive for the worker to occasionally do some business travel.
On top of that, when a brothel or organization gets broken up, frequently all the sex workers are offered deals where they have to say they were trafficked and go after the businesses organizers, seen as the "bigger fish".
For one layer worse, now hotels are being super, super hostile to "human trafficking" but really all their "warning signs" and policies are just meant to stop sex workers. So sex workers are forced increasingly to ply their trade in unsafe locations like cars / client accommodations instead of fairly safe hotels. Meanwhile, the hotels themselves ACTUALLY benefit the REAL human trafficking threat that we should be trying to address -- immigrant wage slavery. Because the hotels frequently are the ones subcontracting things like cleaning to incredibly shady sub-minimum wage exploitative employers that are doing actual trafficking-related stuff. So many of the very things that are causing REAL trafficking are using trafficking to attack sex workers for no reason other than puritanical bigotry.
There's infinitely more to say here, but I just can't do the whole thing justice. Here's a really good podcast episode on the subject that is sensitive and clear about how much nonsense there is in the current, widespread "trafficking" moral panic and how much harm it does compared to the good it preaches.
It's also "funny" that they go out of their way to put "mom" in the headline, in case there was any doubt about what they were trying to do.
How fucking stupid can you be? Have an actual expert teaching a subject and fire them for their practical experience. This is a person who not only understands the mechanics, probably better than most, but also the importance and the "how" of staying sexually healthy.
So is it the authors mom or why exactly does that part matter?
I guess it adds to the "it could be anyone!?" paranoia/hysteria. Who would've suspected a mom, of all people!
Hehe, yeah, I was asking so stupid to point exactly that out!
Imagine if the headline in 2020 was "Dad not re-elected as president."
What a weird framing.
So, she was fired from teaching sex ed because she most likely knows more about sex than most people?
Sad.
I went to a private elementary school. We had a lady from Planned Parenthood come in to teach us sex ed to a remarkably sophisticated way for an elementary schooler. I don't remember a lot, but I do remember her demonstrating how to put a condom on using a clear plastic phallus.
Interesting.
What's that got to do with this article?
It brought up that memory.
What's your random memory got to do with this article?
It's not relevant and it's not adding anything to this conversation.
You're welcome to block me.
No need to be dramatic.
Their goal was never to add to the conversation, but to share their memory with the other commenters. Calling someone dramatic also seems a bit foul and they clearly just didn't want to deal with you.
I guess I'm old school, but I really don't want my daughter looking up to a prostitute or an OnlyFans woman as a role model.
Then you are indeed old school, because sex positivity is awesome. We have all seen dicks before and we have all seen vaginas before, people use these to make sex. We know that people close to us have had sex because we exist, everyone's dad has fucked everyone's mom. Get over it
These days you're not allowed to point out that sex work and workers are generally not icons of moral clarity or responsibility.
Sorry m8 your bad.
You're not. The majority of people feel that way, but it's mostly quietly though since saying otherwise publicly would be construed as being 'sexist/misogynistic/puritan/etc/etc'.
Only a tiny fraction of society actively engages in social media. Remember that.
I would think that would make her uniquely qualified to teach it.
Yes, many academic disciplines view fieldwork as essential. Those who abstain can even be labeled as armchair theorists.
“No officer, you don’t understand! I offered her a large grant for her to do research. Not research for me, it’s for the high schoolers! How else are they supposed to learn proper technique? Jail? For what? Providing a proper education?!”
Legalize prostitution and get rid of the stigma. It being illegal only hurts the women (mostly) in the long run. With legalization you could get rid of a lot of abuse and make it easy for these women to come forward if there is abuse. I think it would also make underage trafficking harder if prostitution was legalized.
I think we’re a long way from that, but one can hope for society.
Hurting women is the point. By keeping some people's primary form of income illegal they can be superexploited, just like undocumented migrant workers. It's no coincidence that they're also similarly at risk of kidnapping, trafficking, and violence. No work insurance, no safety net, no legal protection, no rights, no dignity, and if you get caught you are the one that gets punished instead of the people who exploit you.
Conservatives need prostitution to be illegal. If anybody with some cash could go out and get laid then the right would quickly run out of incels to recruit.
They need sex to be shameful all around. The more shame they can induce, the more leverage and control they have over everyone.
Also, sometimes prostitution SAVES marriages. Sometimes the wife likes her husband, but she just doesn't want to have sex. Or vice versa.
https://medium.com/eros-ethics/prostitutes-saved-my-marriage-c2ffc07d59b
One of the best arguments for legalizing it.
I don't think hurting women is the point, more like a bonus or icing on the cake.
The point is to maintain a facade that our culture is 'above' such kind of behavior, even though everyone with a brain knows it's not.
Same kind of sentiment that allows Christians/Catholics to have sex out of wedlock but still think they're 'holier than' everyone else who does the same.
It's all just hypocrisy and insecurity.
Our culture is very much in favor of hurting women, so it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. The harm to women is far too consistent to be a coincidence.
"Convicted prostitute" is not the condemnation the article-writer thinks it is... Work is work!
Sex work is work. This woman did nothing wrong. Fuck the puritans who fired her.
Ironically, there's a chance that she may have been doing just that.
My money's on a petulant john outing her after recognizing her from their kids school.
You joke, but I knew a woman who danced at a strip club to get extra money for herself and school supplies who got fired after a student's dad saw her dancing
I wasn't joking.
That's some dystopian shit on several levels
That's the world we live in, and the only reason we're seeing this story is because she was/is a teacher. The number of people affected by others' vindictive smearing for similar but in less "shocking" circumstances would lend itself to a public outcry that could very well undermine the whole "moral" control this stems from.
If you don't realize you're living in a seriously fucked dystopia already, you're likely a white cis-het male in the middle class, all due respect. Take a look around, and breathe it in.
Believe me, this isn't a new revelation for me.
I paid for my teaching degree by working as a prostitute. Prostitutes aren’t extra horny degenerates or something, they’re just folks trying to survive. I’d probably be a better teacher if I could still do it, because I could cut back the hours at my second job 🤷♂️
Seems like we hold teachers to higher standards than CEOs and politicians, for less money than a Walmart GM makes…
More like hold women to stricter standards than men.
Men can and are celebrated for being absolute sluts. Hell, its actively encouraged in most spaces.
Woman sleeps with more than 2 people and an inordinate amount of people will look down upon her and say all kinds of horrific things.
It's almost like we should be paying you more... But... Nahhh, MuH tAxEs!!! Wahhhh!
Sorry we all collectively suck so much :(
Thank you for your service!
Doesn't this ironically make her more qualified?
That makes her completely unironically more qualified.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought that.
That was my first thought. If anything over qualified!
Maybe that is why she was fired "you are too qualified for this job"
Sex work should not be a crime.
Sex is legal, selling thing is legal but selling sex is... Illegal?
Can someone show me the logic here?
You need to have a camera and a website to upload the video to.
No.
The fact that prostitition is illegal over there still baffles me. It's just a job and if anyone knows about safe sex it's someone who works a profession tied to it. If i wanted to learn about some hobby i'm sure i could learn more from a professional than some random guy.
I'm sure the misogynist gym teacher with the emotional aptitude of a 15 year old who's partner has to drink themselves ready for the same missionary sex they've had for the past decade is a great teacher of sex-ed.
we were like 14 years old when dude said "well, today's the day". then he took a banana out of one drawer of his desk, and a condom out of another drawer. like they had always been there. like they belonged there. like the box his desk came in said "sturdy construction, faux wood grain paneling, and advanced banana and condom storage solutions." he then took ten minutes to explain to us that condoms don't work, and we shouldn't trust them, and that only by not fucking will we be safe from wrath, rack and ruin. He then tried to put the condom on the banana, struggled with it being upside down for a bit, and BROKE THE FUCKING BANANA.
This was the state of sex ed in the wilds of Pennsylvania circa 2000
Sounds like abstinence would certainly be best for him and his penis.
"Perfect, all he needs to teach is abstinence anyway" -evangelicals
I mean, just my personal opinion, but abstinence does need to be taught as a co-curriculum with a large portion of relationship education (particularly what a good relationship is/has, and what a bad relationship looks like and how to leave it), and stoicism and some other philosophies that demonstrate how forgoing pleasure (for some things, for periods of time) can lead to better outcomes. I don't want my kid thinking they need to refrain from sex because it's somehow immoral, but I also don't want them to jump into every 'relationship' that comes their way in school and start having sex with someone who is just using them for their genitals.
I never said it shouldn't be taught at all, the problem is the people that want only abstinence taught. I don't necessarily believe that teaching stoicism to kids in high-school is going to do much. It'd be best taught around the age of 21 when the brain is closer to finishing development and the individual has better emotional control overall. Teaching about relationships will, as it always has been, ineffective because people don't want to hear it from someone else, they want to experience it. And they will hold lofty expectations regardless. It's good to demonstrate and show what abusive relationships look like, but beyond that people won't listen. There's a reason that it seems like the amount of abusive and shitty relationships never seems to change.
Yeah, or if you’re in [MY LOCATION] the gym teacher who decides to show his junk to his [SPORTSBALL TEAM] and gets nominated to our hall of fame….
Or the US Senate
Must have been quite some [JUNK].
Christianity, racism and corruption. Politicians love to target poor people, and prostitution is a job that often draws in the desperate. Conveniently, POC make up a large percentage of the impoverished population.
Sex trafficking is out of control in the US, yet it's never talked about by politicians. Even with Epstein, the focus was on how terrible he and his accomplices were, not on the actual problem. Not the thousands of other women and girls who are still being trafficked in the US. Legalizing prostitution is pretty much the only answer.
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I think to just put it on the level of any other basic profession is naive, and I think you know that. I'm on board, but to turn a blind eye to human trafficking is foolish. And to suggest legalizing prostitution would all of a sudden eliminate human trafficking is just as foolish.
I'm so sick of people bringing up trafficking whenever prostitution is mentioned. I just don't understand it. What do cars have to do with any of this?
But what's it got to do with the youth in Asia?
the yoots?
Oh, look... the puritan sex hater brigade has shown up.
Globally there's way mor illegal trafficking in construction than in prostitution. So should wo do something there too?
And yes, legalizing will not eliminate human trafficking, but it would put the blame (and criminalization) away from victims.
You're missing the important point which is that when women sell their bodies it's icky. Human trafficking only matters if it's for icky reasons.
Oooooo sex scary
My god please put a spoiler tag on that word, I'm in the hospital recovering from the worst heart attack the doctors have ever seen! Scared the heebie jeebies right out of me.
Now excuse me while I look over my $200k hospital bill, might have to sell some organs for this one.
Oh shit, I read the first few words of your reply out of context and was horrified at the thought that I may have accidentally spoiled some form of media for someone. I take that shit seriously.
"Over qualified"
What, Isn't she perfect for the job then?
Overqualified.
Yeah, like they don't want a cop with too high of an IQ.
Yes she is - which is the problem. They don't really want kids to know anything about sex - it's too subversive for the "indoctrinate them when they are young" crowd.
Bro she literally has the most experience why would you fire her
She's over qualified. They couldn't afford her.
someone on the board wanted her to lower her prices
Over experienced I guess lol.
For once they had a teacher who actually knew her stuff...
Just think: hundreds of young men would know a clitoris existed before they were 30. But nnnoooo....
So much for subject matter expertise.
she probably my cousin you watch yourself bud /s
Man, your cousin is kinda hot lmao
Seems like she was over qualified
I am against prostitution being illegal. I am also against slut shaming. And I am even more against ruining someones future opportunities of ANY kind for having been in the sex work business. But befor you let anyone teach: Make sure they are a teacher. If you want to teach biology (which sex ed is a part of) to children, you better have a degree in biology and teaching, ffs.
Lol, get a load of this guy wanting a position getting paid 35k a year to have a degree.
I AM a teacher. I teach English as a foreign language and Computer Science (just CS right now). I have a gross income of slightly more than 60k a year (59k €). That’s about 3.850€ net a month after health insurance and taxes. I also have a not too shabby pension guaranteed as long as I don’t quit the job. That’s included in “my package”. Also I am tenured. I can only be fired for gross neglect or having an affair with a (minor) student, bribery or things of that nature.
The “catch” (some say advantage): That’s in Germany, not in Retardistan.
I know a teacher in Retardistan (Florida) with a master's degree and over 30 years experience pulling down just over 40k gross.
I'm generally against using the r-slur but fuck if I didn't laugh at "retardistan"
Different languages and all aside why use the r word as a teacher? It's really not necessary.
Also as a teacher from the states please don't paint such broad strokes. You make it sound shameful to teach.
Edit: to add to this, the subject of the article wasn't actually a teacher but part of a council that advised the district school board and curriculum/instruction teams.
And especially a degree in a stem field.
If you want highly skilled teachers, expect to pay wages and compensations for highly skilled workers.
I do expect that. I expect teachers to be very well compensated. You are talking about educating future generations and the sustainability of the country. Not about selling microwaves (nothing against it, it's just that I consider teachers to be as important to society as firefighters and healthcare workers).
I'd take it a step further and say that teaching is the most important job in society and point to everything going on as a result of the failure of the education system as evidence.
You had me until the sex work part. I'm sorry, but that DQs you for anything that requires a public image.
It does. But it shouldn't. There's absolutely no reason.
A few millennium of valuing monogamous relationships might be important.
I have no plans idea what you are attempting to say. "A few Millenium" is supposed to mean what, apart from being grammatically questionable?
Sex work should be legal.
In many more civilised places it is legal and regulated.
Nobody wants to deal with the short term issues it raises, aside from the moral police issue. Legalizing it actually increases trafficking in the legalized area, while reducing it in a larger area outside the legal one. This only happens because it's an island of legality, if it was legal everywhere then trafficking would drop much more everywhere. But Nobody wants to invite the temporary increase by being the first. Germany, for example, has higher sex trafficking than most of Europe. It also ignore the difficulty of regulation, there's a reason it is so prevalent, even where illegal. There is always going to be a strong pressure on vulnerable women, and enforcing the regulations can be incredibly difficult.
That's not to say it shouldn't be legalized. But these are the challenges it faces.
The reason why it's illegalized in the first place is that when a society has many whores it's symbolic of people selling their children into the sex trade out of poverty and usually a marker of a failing economy. See Mexico. Prostitution on the rise usually coincides with falls in a variety of economic growth vectors
She would seem to have a lot of experience in the matter though.
This sounds like the perfect person for the job.
Wouldn’t that be someone with more knowledge on sex and hygiene?
My first thought was well. "Father expelled as PE teacher after being exposed as convicted marathon runner."
Nice of them to go the extra mile and include her maiden name for maximum shaming.
So what's the problem? They're blaming her for keeping up-to-date on topics she was teaching.
Sounds like teaching was her side-gig...
She probably had the best stocked classroom in the entire district.
The real crime here is what we pay our educators.
Whichever students had her to be their sex ed teacher must have been incredibly blessed beyond words.
Or her front business
Lmao it's like she's poisonous or something, what the fuck
That's Exactly the woman I want teaching sex Ed.
We had a priest... Teaching sex Ed... That's like having a blind person instruct drivers Ed.
‘Convicted’ prostitute? What the fuck is this phrasing?
Prostitution is generally a crime and she was convicted. As opposed to an alleged prostitute, who may have only be charged or suspected of prostitution.
Yea sure, but the problem is that it it villainizes her when all she was doing was sex work, which is only illegal because of puritanical religious meddling.
Sex work is work, and she’s done nothing wrong other than break a morally ambiguous, at best, law. The phrasing is bullshit.
Its part of the propaganda machine, Mom working a second job as a sex worker = criminal. The wealthy fucks who have done nothing but hoarde and steal more wealth from the working class = intelligent business people.
Absolutely vile how they manipulate the people like this. The media's lack of scrutiny and questioning the states narratives and laws only make this problem worse.
The media is owned by those very same rich fucks.
And consumed by our peers.
Eh, I'm a convicted speeder and I think convicted prostitute should have about as much weight. But you just know some of her customers are the same ones calling for her removal because hypocrisy and moral superiority go hand in hand.
A speeder? As in, someone that breaks the speed limits on roads?
No, that is worse, because when you speed you are putting other's lives at risk. I never felt at risk as a bystander from someone selling sex.
You’re right to look down on me. My two speeding tickets in 33 years of driving reflect what a menace to society I’ve become. The carnage….
Congratulations! You now realize why calling someone a 'criminal' is a loaded statement!
Always have known. The law isn’t the same as morality. And being a ‘criminal’ does not make you a ‘bad person’.
In the immortal words of Zangeif: just because you’re a ‘bad guy’ doesn’t mean you’re a ‘bad’ ‘guy’.
And the only reason it's still a crime is The Bible Thumpers who vote for The Mammon Worshippers would vote them out if they legalized it. The Mammonites (Republicans) would LOVE to get their cut of those fuck profits.
The reason it's still a crime has more to do with human trafficking than religion.
As in it's easier to traffick people when they're afraid of being arrested?
I genuinely can't parse this argument.
Criminalizing the victims of human trafficking makes said crime easier, because it creates hurdles for it's victims to report it.
I failed to see why there's a controversy here
Because you don't live in Texas where the only freedom is gun toting religious freedom, and by religion they mean White Christian.
Something that bugs me: why does the headline/article seem so focused on her being a mother? Lots of people have kids. Shouldn't it say teacher or woman?
Edit: she wasn't a teacher but served on an advisory schoolboard council. I didn't read the article.
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This why you should always have a personal email and work email.
Can't be arsed to find the ads but:
It is pretty common for assholes to dox sex workers. Either by finding identifiers in ads or just using a hidden camera when they go for a session. And people REALLY do not understand just how trivial it is to access DMV records (sometimes even legally) and run those through a face recognition program.
This leads to various "reviews" that may or may not get deleted but still get indexed by search engines and make those connections.
So even if she had proper opsec, there are good odds that searching her personal email could make her ads come up regardless.
That is very true, but there are still some things that they can do to prevent soccer mom next door who can barely use a search engine.
I mean, if you are that hellbent on finding a way to victim blame during this, sure. But the vast majority of "tech savvy" users would also have no idea how to do that (just look at all the people who are proud to delete their social media accounts and orphan all their secondary data). And a lot of this is very dependent on the ad sites/boards following practices that the sex workers have no control over.
Victim blaming was not my intention. My apologies.
I can't figure out why the fact that she's a mom is the first thing in the headline.
It's to shame her for having sex at least once.
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I’m trying to figure out what her being a mom has anything to do with the story. She has kids, who gives a shit? In this country, you’re forced to do it, so what’s the point of calling someone out for it?
Shame. How dare a MoThEr engage in something so base as sex work? It's written that way explicitly to shame her.
I'm guessing either 1) it's one more thing for conservative assholes to judge her for, or 2) they think a woman's identity is tied to her ability to breed, so once she has kids she is no longer a "woman" and become a "mom."
It's not illegal to work a 2nd job!?!
Well who else better to teach the class! A true expert.
This was my thought. Who the hell else would be as knowledgeable as she.
I hope she reads this.
Use the notoriety to write a book for teenagers. Intelligent parents will buy it, and smart kids will seek it out.
So much for a skills-based education model.
Wait... Is there a difference between a prostitute and an escort? The headline makes it sound like she stopped being the former and is currently the latter.
It's threading a very fine legal loophole. An "escort" is paid for their time, only promising to show up. They have sex with you "because I like you". It's bullshit, you know it's bullshit, they know it's bullshit, and the police know it's bullshit, but it's enough to wiggle out of legal trouble.
I wonder if a escort has said no to someone and legally kept the money.
Probably, especially if they've been put in an awful situation. Still, I'm sure it's not that common since they rely on word of mouth or online postings these days. There would be drama within the local circle of both clients and escorts.
A lot of escorts run a tight ship. I'm talking webpages with professional photography done, that sort of thing. They also worry about the safety and job security of members within their community. Someone going rogue is just bad for everyone.
^(I just realized I repeated what another person has already said my bad.)
Certainly for cases where the customer was being an asshole and the escort walked away.
Just for cases where everything was going along fine, probably, but it's not a good way to have repeat business.
"Prostitution" references a specific crime. They're saying that she's been convicted of that crime by including it in the headline. "Escort" is an occupation.
Tax evasion is illegal but tax avoidance is legal... The legal system is FUCKED
So here's something "funny."
When police do undercover stings to arrest customers of sex workers, they're described as HUMAN TRAFFICKING STING. And here, on the other hand, this person is described as prostitute [and] working escort.
Schroedinger's sex worker?
One of several reasons we have so much reported "human trafficking" cases in the US is because our current laws make it so that any time more than one person is working in an organization involved in sex work, it can magically get redefined as human trafficking even if no workers were forced to be there doing the job.
There have been cases of two sex workers that were roommates being accused of trafficking each other because the material aid of being roommates qualified them as traffickers. Or drivers employed by a sex worker to literally escort them to and from clients/airports to take them to and from the airport being busted as pimps and traffickers.
And of course, the whole thing about interstate travel turning sex work into trafficking is loaded with its own horseshit. It's just a reality for a sex worker that the "new girl in town" gets more business, so there's a huge financial incentive for the worker to occasionally do some business travel.
On top of that, when a brothel or organization gets broken up, frequently all the sex workers are offered deals where they have to say they were trafficked and go after the businesses organizers, seen as the "bigger fish".
For one layer worse, now hotels are being super, super hostile to "human trafficking" but really all their "warning signs" and policies are just meant to stop sex workers. So sex workers are forced increasingly to ply their trade in unsafe locations like cars / client accommodations instead of fairly safe hotels. Meanwhile, the hotels themselves ACTUALLY benefit the REAL human trafficking threat that we should be trying to address -- immigrant wage slavery. Because the hotels frequently are the ones subcontracting things like cleaning to incredibly shady sub-minimum wage exploitative employers that are doing actual trafficking-related stuff. So many of the very things that are causing REAL trafficking are using trafficking to attack sex workers for no reason other than puritanical bigotry.
There's infinitely more to say here, but I just can't do the whole thing justice. Here's a really good podcast episode on the subject that is sensitive and clear about how much nonsense there is in the current, widespread "trafficking" moral panic and how much harm it does compared to the good it preaches.
It's also "funny" that they go out of their way to put "mom" in the headline, in case there was any doubt about what they were trying to do.
How fucking stupid can you be? Have an actual expert teaching a subject and fire them for their practical experience. This is a person who not only understands the mechanics, probably better than most, but also the importance and the "how" of staying sexually healthy.
So is it the authors mom or why exactly does that part matter?
I guess it adds to the "it could be anyone!?" paranoia/hysteria. Who would've suspected a mom, of all people!
Hehe, yeah, I was asking so stupid to point exactly that out!
Imagine if the headline in 2020 was "Dad not re-elected as president."
What a weird framing.
So, she was fired from teaching sex ed because she most likely knows more about sex than most people?
Sad.
I went to a private elementary school. We had a lady from Planned Parenthood come in to teach us sex ed to a remarkably sophisticated way for an elementary schooler. I don't remember a lot, but I do remember her demonstrating how to put a condom on using a clear plastic phallus.
Interesting.
What's that got to do with this article?
It brought up that memory.
What's your random memory got to do with this article?
It's not relevant and it's not adding anything to this conversation.
You're welcome to block me.
No need to be dramatic.
Their goal was never to add to the conversation, but to share their memory with the other commenters. Calling someone dramatic also seems a bit foul and they clearly just didn't want to deal with you.
I guess I'm old school, but I really don't want my daughter looking up to a prostitute or an OnlyFans woman as a role model.
Then you are indeed old school, because sex positivity is awesome. We have all seen dicks before and we have all seen vaginas before, people use these to make sex. We know that people close to us have had sex because we exist, everyone's dad has fucked everyone's mom. Get over it
These days you're not allowed to point out that sex work and workers are generally not icons of moral clarity or responsibility.
Sorry m8 your bad.
You're not. The majority of people feel that way, but it's mostly quietly though since saying otherwise publicly would be construed as being 'sexist/misogynistic/puritan/etc/etc'.
Only a tiny fraction of society actively engages in social media. Remember that.