What are your weird food rules?

DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world – 178 points –

For example:

  • When you open a fresh jar of peanut butter do you only work through one side until it is completely empty then start on the other side?

  • Or when you get those shallow tubs of hummus does it have to make it back home undisturbed? Then one of the baggers at the grocery store shoves it sideways into the bag completely ruining the symmetry.

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My last bite should be of my favorite part of the meal. Finish my least favorite part first.

The greatest compliment I can pay a meal is that I couldn’t choose which part to make my last bite.

I do this too. It took a while for my wife to fully understand that if she wanted to try something on my plate, she better not wait til the last few bites

Yes!

I also save the last bit of candy or other snacks, sometimes for days, until I really want it (most recently, I left the last 2 pieces in a box of Buncha Crunch for over a week. Yeah, it’s weird. I know).

My partner used to finish things I’d leave, which upset me. Then he’d finish it but replace it with an unopened packet, which I appreciated but it still bugged me.

He doesn’t understand it at all, but he’s learned that saving the last bit for “the right time” is important to me. Seeing him leave my little crazy treats around for days at a time makes me feel so loved.

I used to do this but I have noticed one slight downside to this. My food goes cold by my last bite so the last bite does not have the optimal flavor.

My new thing is I try to eat my favorite part when I feel like the food is starting to go cold so I can still hit that peak.

I suppose that is one of the few upsides of being a fast eater.

I used to do this too, but then realized it was a big factor in my over eating. If there’s too much food on the plate then I don’t get to enjoy all of my favorite element unless I stuff myself.

Food should be finished at the same time. You work gradually around all of your sides and main dish so you have exactly one bite of each left, and then you finish your plate.

My SO drives me nuts because they can just eat the entirety of the main dish and then eat all of one side, and then all of another.

Eating one dish at a time ensures you're getting the full, unadulterated experience of the dish.

But sides are made in consideration of the main course and are intended to be eaten/enjoyed together.

Why are side salads typically served before, and separate?

Because they are a separate course and not a side. They call it a side salad like Americans call the main dish an entree, we like to use words wrong.

Then the world is lawless chaos, and I can enjoy my meal one dish at a time.

Word meanings shift over 500 years, nobody is using "entree" wrong because it means different things in different cultures and has changed several times over the centuries. The way we serve and eat meals has also changed considerably.

https://languageoffood.blogspot.com/2009/08/entree.html?m=1

I like this write-up, it had plenty of historical examples.

I never want to eat in front of anyone who has replied to you so far. I'm a chaos eater. Nothing exists besides the current bite. I didn't remember what the last one was and haven't decided what the next one will be.

I'd like to introduce you to me - I eat the starch, then the veggies, then the protein. Order of preference, descending.

I eat like your SO, though I do mix it up a little sometimes, but it's because I'm saving my favorite thing for last. I don't want to end up with my least favorite thing at the very end.

I've never wished I could eat in front of another human being more than I do right now. I just really want to trigger you with this and I don't know why.

Start with your favorite dish and when its gone move to #2.

That's like ejaculating on someone's face and then working your way to foreplay. If this isn't against the Geneva convention it should be.

Always eat the pizza crust. If you don't, I will.

People who don‘t eat the crust shouldn‘t be allowed to eat pizza. Don‘t like the crust? Don‘t eat pizza. Aren‘t hungry enough? Eat it with the crust and pack the rest.

I used to skip the pizza crust until I had a good pizza where the crust was just as good as the toppings.

That's why I think people who don't eat the crust haven't had good pizza.

There is a huge difference in Italian pizza and whatever passes for pizza in some other countries. Anyone who doubts this needs to try an Italian / Sicilian pizza, it's amazing.

The bread is much tastier, the ingredients pop in flavour and there is very little greasyness on the plate after eating it.

Also authentic Napelese (sp?) pizza doesn't taste like you are eating an entire loaf of bread with tomato sauce on top. And none of that gooey cheese dripping grease all over.

I thought we left the insufferable Internet Italians back on reddit.

Depends if the crust is good or not. Sometimes it's just not worth it. There are some pizzas where the actual pizza is amazing and the crust is just boring as hell. Perplexing but I'm not going to force myself to eat something bland just because lol.

Food cannot touch on the plate. Each item must have a clearly defined DMZ between it and its neighbors.

I was this way as a kid. I'm not sure when I stopped caring.

Carry on with your DMZ, soldier.

Same. When I was young, I would RAGE if a pea so much as whispered to the mashed potatoes next to it. Now I reflect that I have bigger problems than this and don't stress about it. Medication also helps. Somewhat.

Man, I'm the complete opposite. I tend to mix everything. As a kid I would even shape some dishes into a smooth rectangle after first crushing the potatoes and mixing it with the rest.

A bite is not good unless it has a little of each thing on my plate. The flavors must all be in every bite.

I respect your opinion, but I am completely the other way.

A meal wants to be a journey through your flavors.
Each getting a small time to shine, before coming together in the end for that one last perfect bite.

You know what's beautiful? I say one thing and do the other. I am a total hypocrite. (At home, I will literally put all of the entree I spend HOURS in the kitchen into a bowl, mix it up, and eat it in front of the TV like a toddler. )

You ever just take an entire plate's worth of food and put it in the blender to see if there's another level to this?

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Any time I buy chips and dip I have to always work from the top of the dip down, trying to keep it level all the way down. I have no idea why I do this, but it drives me crazy otherwise. If someone else takes a chip and digs straight down to the bottom of the tub I just don't want it anymore lol

I am imagining the horrified look of the other people waiting to get some layered bean dip watch you take the top layer.

Well, a big shared dish of homemade dip is much different! I would never take the whole top layer off of a seven layer dip! My hangup is specifically about dips served straight out of the little tub from the grocery store lol

I do exactly the opposite, at least for shallow containers: I start at a side and go across, leaving the remainder untouched

Absolutely no digging in to the tub of butter, and no other food bits (usually bread crumbs) must be left inside.

If dug in to, it must be smoothed out before putting back in to the fridge. As for the crumbs, take them out and put them back on to the bread they came from. Now the butter can be put back in to the fridge.

We get cream cheese by the 40 ounce tub because it's insanely cheaper and we cook with it relatively often.

My dad puts crumbs in it all the time.

How hard is it not to do that?

I'm not sure. My partner isn't as pedantic as I am, so I end up scooping his day old crumbs on to my toast the next day.

I love that you buy in bulk because you're right - it definitely is cheaper buying more if you can eat it all before it spoils. What kind of foods do you make with cream cheese? Genuinely curious. I love cream cheese but I can't finish it fast enough.

My rule is that if you intend to touch the butter/spread/sticky stuff with a utensil, that utensil cannot touch the bread. You just drop the portion on the bread from a height until you think there's enough to cover it, and then you can spread it with that utensil, but if you need to revisit the jar, you need another fresh utensil.

You can't get crumbs in there if there's no cross contamination from the equipment to begin with!

You get better at estimating over time, but having one extra piece of cutlery to wash occasionally is less infuriating than unexpected stale crumbs and food that spoils more quickly from the contaminating yeasts and other organisms.

How good pickles are is inversely proportional to how whole they are.

  • Whole pickles: blegh
  • Pickle wedges: no thanks
  • Pickle strips: on a sandwich, sure
  • Pickle chips: yum, on a sandwich or alone
  • Diced pickles: oh yeah, please
  • Pickle relish: hell yeah!

Now all that's left is to try a pickle smoothie to confirm your theory.

We've got to go all the way, time to vaporize pickles and inhale them

What you vaping bru?

Pickle juice, homie.

Dehydrater - mortar and pestle - rip a big line of pickle

"Mooooommmm, Dad's nose is bleeding again!" "What did he do this time?" "Remember when he snorted a line of 21 Seasonings spices on a dare? Well..."

I know how to do this.

take relish (sweet or dill) and blend smooth. add pickle juice until runny. blend again. put about a 1/4 cup into an empty Soda Stream and pump it up like triple the normal amount. quickly cap and shake the hell out of it. uncap and suck the vapor out with a straw.

-I am a stranger from the internet and would never do this myself

You haven't had pickles until you've freebased them

Pickle beer is a thing.

Thats gotta be amazing

It's really good for one or two then it gets to be like drinking out of a pickle jar.

I wonder what pickel vodka tastes

Pickle backs are a thing. It's just chasing a shot with a shot of pickle juice. First saw it with Jameson, but I think people do it with a lot of things these days

I have this but in reverse (and less extreme). I can eat a good pickle relish, but it doesn't do much for me. Then, the delish goes up as we approach the whole pickle. The whole pickle is sour and crunchy. Perfection!

Pickled veggies, bleh. Pickled fruit, fuck yes.

There is just something about that sweet and sour flavor that hits right. Pickled pears, apricots, and plums are my favorites.

Are you counting pickles as fruit here? Cucumbers often get thrown in either or. (Seeds inside fruit discussion)

Definitely not. Cucumbers don't have enough sugars to reach the sweet/sour threshold that make pickling worth eating to my taste.

Corn on the cob must be eaten from left to right. You must eat all the way around the cob so that section is clean before moving on to the next section. I suppose I'd accept right to left in the same fashion; it's the people who take totally random bites with no rhyme or reason or uniformity that make me crazy.

Ooh, I’m more typewriter with mine. Left to right in horizontal lines.

Question, do you rotate up or down? I always hate the first row because there isn’t a kernel to bite through cleanly with my eye teeth so I always rotate up.

Up or down, doesn't matter (although I may pick one unconsciously, I'll have to pay more attention next time), as long as you get it all before moving to the next section.

I like taking a bite anywhere on the cob, turn it randomly, bite somewhere else leaving little corn "islands" along the way. Bite, turn, bite.

When I eat soft candies, I always have to bite them into pieces in a specific way. Like if I have a cola bottle gummy, I will bite off the "cap" first. If I have a gummy bear, I will bite the bottom legs off, separate the head from the arms and then split the legs and arms from each other. The gummy cherries, always bite the stem off first. Gummy bats, the wings separate from the body. Gummy coins I usually try to split down the circle, i.e. splitting in two thinner coins.

Most of the time it's just inside my mouth but sometimes I hold it in my hand and bite it off like that.

Also chocolate bars has to be eaten in the squares the bar is divided into. No splitting it across squares!

There is no 5 second rule. If it touches the floor it's literally inedible.

My dog doesn’t agree with you. If it touches the floor and nobody says NO fast enough, it’s his 😁

Depends on how much I like the food 😅

If it's a wet food this is definitely true. If it's dry, like a chip, it won't really pick up much unless the floor is visibly dirty.

Yeah, it will. It may be worse for "wet" food, but it's still true nonetheless for "dry" food.

I will say that most people's experience with this is fairly positive, in that, those that eat off the floor, especially those that obey the "5 second rule" don't usually get sick from the activity. The fact remains, 5 seconds or less (or not) carries much of the same risks of getting some kind of stomach bug. They may be mitigated by contact duration, and the gut is incredibly good at eliminating bacterial and viral infiltration into the body, but it's still very much luck.

Luck that it didn't make contact with a bacteria or virus that will have a negative effect. Those bugs are everywhere, even on "clean" surfaces (whether visibly clean or otherwise). Unless you actively sterilize your floors continually, the microscopic organisms are there. Whether tracked in on your shoe or foot, or they're transferred to the area by contact with something unclean or bacteria ridden....

An extreme and obvious example of this is someone dropping raw chicken on the kitchen floor and not sanitizing the area where it landed. That bacteria from the uncooked chicken is on the floor. Since it was not properly cleaned and sanitized, it's very very likely still there. Walking through the kitchen to a living space will contact transfer the bacteria to every location where you step; and imagine you walk around the couch. Later, enjoying some chips on the couch, you drop a chip right were a foot with the bacteria landed, and that bacteria is transferred to your chip.

No 5 second rule will save you from the Salmonella poisoning from the chip on the floor.

Salmonella is not the only risk either, the chaos of tracking in bacteria from outdoors and public spaces is very very real. Going to the shop and walking through a space where someone had previously walked, who works in a place with some other nasty bug that induces GI suffering... It's all over their shoes and now all over the floor, and now that you've been there, it's all over your shoes too. You go home and like a sensible person, take your shoes off at the door, but in doing so, you walk over where you've stood in your shoes, so now you've transferred that bug from your shoes to your socks/feet, and now you're tracking it all over the house. Same deal, now that it's on the floor, you drop something and then within 5 seconds, pick it up to eat it and bam, vomiting, diarrhea, the works. You miss work but the boss is tired of your shit, so he fires you and now you can't pay rent. Next thing you know you're homeless, turning tricks under the king st bridge to pay for your heroin addiction.

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Sandwiches are eaten like a typewriter. It drives my partner bonkers, she says I'm nuts....jokes on her, she's still hanging around 😂

Sandwiches are eaten like a typewriter.

I'm so confused. You pivot your elbows and smash the sandwich into your face like the letters hitting the page? You take lots of fast, noisy bites like the sound of typing? You nibble the top piece of bread from left to right, then the filling from left to right, then the bottom, going 'ding!' in between?

Exactly!

I mean...yeah? I also take my hand and swipe across my face, flinging the sandwich across the table and into the lap of whoever is sitting to my left but that is a "their problem" and not a "me problem". To move the carriage to the next line.

It's not a rule but sometimes I eat sandwiches around the perimeter first, to eat the crust first and then I eat the center.

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I briefly microwave my ice cream before eating.

I don't want it to be soupy. I'm going for soft. And I am too impatient to let it sit on the counter a bit to reach that sweet spot of consistency.

I used to do that! Never encountered someone else who did.

I do this too. I use defrost. Want a great treat? Get some vanilla and frozen OJ. They are awesome together.

Can I get a further explanation of what you are making? Sounds like a cremesicle ordeal.

Pretty much. Just take some vanilla ice cream and mix in some frozen OJ. Swirls or even chunks.

I will eat all of the chocolatey edges of a Kit Kat before I start to eat the wafer bit that’s left with just two thin layers on top and bottom at that point.

People who separate anything they eat are heathens. The proper way is to stuff bits of everything on your plate in your mouth at once for the correct taste and texture sensory overload.

I also do this. There's two of us!

Do you eat the chocolate fluff in between the wafer layers before eating the wafers as well or do you just eat the wafers together?

Kit Kat buddies! Sometimes I will peel them apart and eat the fluff, but not always.

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I don't hate crust but I prefer the texture of a sandwich without the crust, so I eat most of the crust before eating the rest of the sandwich... I usually only do this when eating alone lol

Haha, I always save the best for last. Same thing. Whatever I’m eating, I get the mediocre stuff out of the way first.

I eat burgers and sandwiches in a circular pattern for this exact reason. So many people eat it so that the last bite is mostly bread soggy with sauces. I make sure that the last bite is from the dead center, so it's still warm and has the perfect ratio of ingredients.

Same, and with a burger as rare as I like it the last bite is always a perfect little lump of pink rawness.

I pity your lack of freshly baked bread (crust). Crunchy, even better with seeds…

Man, you and I may just be opposites on this. I love the crust; it's my favorite part of bread. I save the smooth top part for last on sandwiches cause it's my favorite part. I even construct my sandwiches so that the tastiest internals are near the top crust.

Even with French and Italian bread I will pull out the crumb and smear the crust with butter, mayo, or soup to eat on it's own.

The only weird one I have is that I can't do cereal and milk. 100% rate of vomiting resulted the two times I tried. I grew up on dry cereal and will, for all roughly two times a year I eat it, continue that. No, I'm not interested in adding water/ice/juice; that's just making wet bread with extra steps. Doesn't bother me that others do it.

Being poor and living out of a car in my early 20s for a bit rid me of any childish restrictions otherwise.

When it comes to things like chocolate bars, cookies, brownies, pop-tarts, ect., I almost always pop them in the freezer for a bit because it changes the texture.

Cookies/brownies with chocolate chips/m&ms are the best for this, because the chips get crunchy, while the cookie part is chewier.

Do you pop the pop-tarts into the toaster afterwards? They’re much better toasted imo

Nah, but just because it'd also reverse the effects of freezing them. but next time I get them, I'll try toasting them first!

That's one of my favorite things. I started doing that one hot summer and now I do all year round. Cold chocolate is the best chocolate.

Everything gets cut up before a pan gets turned on.

No plastic in the microwave. (Ceramics and glass only)

Range has to be clean before and after cooking.

Edit to add - can't believe I forgot this. I'll eat any leftovers cold and any fully cooked soup or chili cold too. I just don't care.

Everything gets cut up before a pan gets turned on.

But... onions and mushrooms can easily cook as long as you might take to prep everything else, and they just keep getting better.

No plastic in the microwave. (Ceramics and glass only)

Absolutely. Unless I'm drunk, then a frozen burrito miiiight go in with its wrapper on. Fortunately, alcohol provides near perfect immunity to anything I'd be concerned about while sober.

Range has to be clean before and after cooking.

This is a good rule. Ten years from now when I've finally managed to adopt it, I am certain I will remember you fondly and hope you are doing well - how the time flies when you have a clean range, etc.

Edit to add - can't believe I forgot this. I'll eat any leftovers cold and any fully cooked soup or chili cold too. I just don't care.

Also don't care about reheating leftovers - except rice, I barely like it hot, so cold is a definite no.

I'll add mine here, it's pretty straightforward: TURN THE FUCKING MICROWAVE DOWN YOU NEANDERTHAL!

Yeah the amount of people unaware that letting the heat spread throughout the food is almost as important as getting the heat in there is crazy. 600W is the highest I'll sett my microwave, ever. And that is for easily mixable things like soup. Things like casserole only get 300W.

Oh I'm aware and if I have time I let them go for a bit first. But if I have to cut stuff while food is cooking then I have a panic attack. It's just too much tracking things.

As a line cook, cutting up everything before a pan gets turned on is just good mise en place. You shouldn't start cooking until you know you're ready and haven't forgotten anything. The whole process is way easier and more relaxed when you've got all the components together in advance

Oh hey, turns out I'm in good company then! And yeah I do it that way specifically because of stress.

Everything gets cut up before a pan gets turned on.

What if your pan has a chopping fetish?

My wife pours the milk into an empty bowl then brings the cereal box to her seat and pours it in one spoonful at a time. She insists this makes sense to do, and it's the only way she'll eat cereal.

I must eat from a small plate to make my little food seem big. NO BIG PLATES ALLOWED!

My wife did that for a while. She stopped when she realized she was just piling the food higher instead

I will use a little fork whenever possible for a variety of reasons with differing grades of logic behind them. I don't say anything, but I'm always a bit annoyed when I have to use a regular sized or big fork.

A colleague of mine cannot allow beans to touch some other foods on their plate. So in an English breakfast for example, they require some kind of bean barrier, such as a sausage, to prevent the beans from touching other elements of food on their plate. I find this weird.

Makes sense to me. If he wanted his entire breakfast to taste like beans, he would have arranged it that way.

The 200-mile rule. Sushi is amazing but raw fish has to be trasnported somehow. If your eating seafood and are not within 200 miles of a body of water where it could have been caught... Probably best to pick something else.

Montana is not famous for its aquatic cusine.

And I too do the peanutbutter thing you mentioned.

Vast majority of fish you're eating is flash frozen, even if you're on the coast.

And the flash freeze helps to kill parasites on the fish, so theres is that too.

Alaska has a rule where a long as they freeze the fish on the processing boat (ie before it gets to the on-shore processing facility) they can label it as "Fresh Never Frozen."

I mean, we don't even do this within Japan. Most things are either flash frozen or kept alive until they can be served. Hell, on TV last night they did a segment on how a lot of the Tuna used by a major Japanese sushi chain (Sushiro) is caught in Malta, frozen on the boat, and then brought to Japan. I get the idea, but it's not a good rule these days.

Basically none of the fish you buy even right at the ocean is from that ocean unless you buy it right from the fishing boat (and even then....)

Asparagus is finger food, no ifs or buts about it.

Anything can be finger food if you're brave enough.

After that one incident, I can confidently say that habaneros are not a finger food.

If I can't eat a combination of the main dish and a side, the side doesn't go with the main dish. Lucky for me, that is generally the case with most foods.

Desserts are the exception, but I don't count them as sides.

At the risk of sounding like a monster, I can't think of a single main/side I wouldn't combo.

Can you give an example that doesn't go together?

All I can think of off the top of my head would be different food styles in a buffet. Like sweet and sour chicken + sauerkraut or something along those lines. I love them both in their own context, but wouldn't put them on the same plate at the same time.

I'm unfamiliar with a restaurant that would serve both sweet and sour chicken, and sauerkraut. Does one exist?

Hometown Buffet, back before it closed.

Their chocolate milk taught me how to burp on command. I remember sitting at the table and taking a big drink which suddenly gave me insight to how it would work, so I did and tossed the biggest belch I’d ever made out there on the table. My eyes went wide and I looked up at my parents and just yelled ‘I figured it out!’ Their faces of disgust slowly changed to faces of confusion while I was just laughing and cheering and belching.

It was a random example of two very different types of food types.

Food courts also often have varied options (pay by weight)

Yesterday I was eating some miso soup and then was offered a grilled cheese. I had a grilled cheese and miso soup for lunch.

Not the classic combination you might think.

I like to eat green beans like french fries. I'll even dip them and catch up and/or barbecue sauce.

Nothing on my plate can touch, especially if they are different textures. Textures are almost as important as flavor. This is the main reason why I don't eat zucchini.

When I really like something I want it the same way every time. Don't try to dress it up with new stuff, it was perfect before, I want it the same way.

I can't eat a sandwich if I don't have chips with it.

Put chips ON the sandwich?

I still need chips to do that. But even with chips on the sandwich, i'd need them on the side also. Otherwise, I'm still just eating a sandwich and for some reason it makes me uncomfortable and likely to stop eating after just a few bites.

At school I always eat the salad first, drink water and then the main meal.

Smart. Have to get the worst part over first, and then wash the taste of those fresh vegetables out of your mouth before enjoying your meal.

I am actually one of those rare people, that enjoy salad (not most vegetables, but I like salad). I still eat whatever I get no matter how terrible it is. The salad is sometimes so oversalted, that is disgusting.

A green salad should never contain anything sweet.

This probably doesn't count, but I am also firmly of the opinion that water chestnuts are not food.

I dunno, candied nuts are pretty amazing paired with Gorgonzola in a salad (I’d throw some sliced pears and strawberries in there too).

That said, I used to hate fruit in a green salad, my taste just changed over time.

Candied walnuts, dried cranberries, and carrot slivers are sooo good in a salad. Especially with a sweet balsamic dressing. It’s pure summer on a plate.

Jesus christ do I hate water chestnuts. I don't know how anyone ever did decide that they're food. Starvation, I guess.

I always scrape my ice cream and cheese. If I get a nice piece of Gouda or cheddar and I'm feeling snacky then I will take a sharp knife and scrape it. I swear it's so much creamier and smoother in your mouth, eating it normally makes it look like cardboard in comparison. Same thing with ice cream, scrape it with my spoon while serving.

What drives me insane is that my mom will literally take a bite out of the block. Even with Parmesan.

She’ll eat a bite directly out of the block of cheese other people were going to cut pieces off of?!

Yep. Once when I was cooking, I was about to cut into a block of cheddar until she reached her hand UNDER the knife to take one last deranged bite out of it.

Some foods should not be touching other foods but I can't use one of those cafeteria trays because the texture makes me gag.

My solution to it is using glass or ceramic plates and bowls for each item. There are exceptions of course.

Silverware is another thing altogether.

No seed oils. No ultra processed food or drink, or to an utter minimum. I mean, I will always eat a pizza or a bag of chips or something at some point. So, it balances out. Little sugar, since it is already everywhere.

Make everything at home, if possible.

Aren't all oils made from seeds? Which ones do you eat?

You can use animal fats. There's also evidence saying they're healthier than plant/seed based oils because they contain more saturated fats and don't oxidize as quickly.

That's not true and plant-based oils are so different from each other. Sunflower seed oil is pretty bad, but olive oil or rapeseed oils are good for you. Just don't use too much, but that applies to all oils

Well you can find quite a few scientific studies saying exactly what I've said. I agree that plant based oils are not all the same though.

Just one example:

3918 of those who cooked with vegetable/gingili oil had ASCVD, and 249 of those who cooked with lard/other animal fat oils had ASCVD. The prevalence of ASCVD in vegetable/gingili oil users (31.68%) was higher than that in lard/other animal fat oil users (17.46%). Compared with lard/other animal fat users, the multivariate-adjusted model indicated that vegetable oil/sesame oil users were significantly associated with a higher risk of ASCVD (OR = 2.19; 95%CI, 1.90-2.53). Our study found that cooking with lard/other animal fat oil is more beneficial to cardiovascular health in older Chinese. 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36336120/

Very interesting, thanks for sharing that link! It seems that the analysis is reviewing oil used for cooking, not for raw consumption. I think this makes sense since certain plant seed oils shouldn't be heated past a certain point at which they become unhealthy.

Sorry, but that study is just bonkers. They use one type of oil (sesame) and sneak in the spurious generalization of "vegetable/sesame oil", as if it were representative. It is not.

Here you can see the range of unsaturated fat percentages in different plant oils: https://images.ctfassets.net/stnv4edzz8v3/25E1IVeShv9HOcse0Luc5p/dbe6b2165d4ca7f4a93e2f912f3bcdf6/Polyunsaturated_fats_in_plant_oils.png

Unfortunately, neither rapeseed nor sesame are in there, but you should see how much they differ. Stay away from sunflower seed oil, at least when cooking at home. Rapeseed or olive are good. Don't use more heat than necessary.

Where do you get the idea that they focus only on sesame oil?

Well, they don't say what they mean with "vegetable", but it's just put in the same group with gingili oil. I don't know if you're in science or otherwise familiar with statistics, but that's a problematic indication. They don't justify why they group them, how many of those replied with gingili etc., and they don't provide a separate analysis. Other major flaws with the study:

  • it's correlational, but makes a causal inference. That is basic stats, you can't do that, even if there are no other easy ways to make causal inferences on that topic.
  • the groups vary significantly on many factors, such as total size, smoking status, gender distribution, drinking status etc. They "adjust" for that, but that's not how "adjusting" works. You can't just adjust for characteristics of the person and then pretend it's all controlled for. There is a great paper on this problem, which is unfortunately quite common: doi.org/10.1037//0021-843X.110.1.40

I see your point, thanks for the insight! Did you base your reply on the abstract or the full article, because they do specify "vegetable" oil. Also, in their defence, they not only state that they only intended to show a correlation instead of a causal effect, and even add that:

we only found the relationship between the cooking oil type and cardiovascular health in the elderly over 65 years old in China, and could not explain the reason.

I wouldn't want that in my salad dressing though

I don't know, lard is pretty awesome. It's a bit of a tradition around here to keep the remains when cooking bacon, put it in the fridge and then spread it on some bread.

I use excess lard to make rice tastier for example, it's awesome for that. Still wouldn't want to use it in a salad though ;)

I only like yellow onions in cooked things, I'll tolerate cooked white ones but I won't buy them myself. No raw onions ever. Red onions are only acceptable when pickled, but they can fuck right off otherwise.

Leftover pizza needs to be heated up in a pan in medium heat. Its the only way for the pizza to not become soggy, to the crust have some crunch on it and to restore the cheese melt.

I will argue with anyone in my house that goes against this!

Oven at 425, about 6-7 minutes. It's a little drier but I grew up on concession stand pizza...

That said, I'm definitely trying the pan.

Don't forget a tight fitting lid. And try starting on low heat. For me medium usually burns the bottom before the cheese is melty.

Even better, damp paper towel over the slices, microwaved to heated through. Then while that's happening melt some butter in the pan, put the hot slices in the melted butter, cover with a kid and wait a few minutes. It's more work bit it's almost perfect if you feel like getting more dishes dirty.

I always eat a slice while putting the rest in the oven, set it to preheat to 400-425... And it is usually done when the oven finishes preheating

Get a convection toaster oven and your leftover pizza game will improve significantly.

5 mins at 400 in mine and the pizza is pretty much as good as it was when fresh. No preheat required.

If you don't eat that chicken wing clean, we can't be friends.

You get one pass and that's if you only take 1 wing.

I mean I get it but at the same time many of us do not like eating cartilage.

It’s why I don’t like wings, or most bone-in chicken.

There is one correct way to eat pop tarts or other toaster pastries. Nibble off the sides, then eat the non-iced side, then fold the iced side in half so you get a double filling, double iced pastry. Finally you can expericence nirvana, the effort is worth it.

Sandwiches should have their contents rearranged so they each bite has exactly the same amount of filling. If that cannot be done, the bites with the least filling should be eaten first and those with the most should be saved for last.

I bristle on the inside when my kids want a slice of bread for breakfast. Toast is for breakfast, and bread is for other meals. I don't even actually care about this, but my dad did when I was a little kid and I clearly internalized that lesson.

Bought a fancy pizza the other day. They put zero thought into the distribution, instead opting for giant discs of goat cheese and spoonfuls of sauce spread about. Some bites were great, most were missing crucial ingredients for a pizza. Like sauce and cheese.

Friend, I feel this so hard. There are times a pizza should have this feature, but they are rare.

Sides should ideally be eaten before the main - unless it annoys whoever I am eating with

If I'm having pasta, the bowl always have a flat plate beneath, even if I don't plan to eat another course after

Peanut butter never expires. Ever.

I have no way to test this theory. If I buy to much peanut butter, I'll have eaten to much peanut butter... Long before any suggested dates haha

God damn right. My peanut butter has a shelf life of about 5 days. I’m happy to dispose of it into me.

There’s a “food theory” video on the ‘tube about how long you could survive locked in a food (grocery) store. It points out that food may turn rancid but can still be “fit” to eat - I think peanut butter fell into this category. I don’t know whether the video is factually accurate but it is entertaining all the same.

Given the research MatPat does for each video I wouldn't be surprised.

But hey, that's just a theory. A FOOD theory!

JFC. I could hear the dude’s voice as I read that comment… looked around my kitchen to see where he was.

Salads and sandwiches should be served room temperature, never right out of the fridge cold

Liquid dairy grosses me out, never puked but gagged a couple times. Cream, cream based sauces, melted ice cream (though if I eat it fast enough it doesn't melt!), queso, but melted cheese on pizza is somehow ok.

It's so dumb, I somehow conditioned myself.

Sort by color, then eat in order of worse to best. Only really applies to things like M&Ms and Skittles. It's basically edging for the blue ones.

I cut up pizza mozzarella so that each disk of mozzarella remains uncut. Sometimes it means extremely chaotic cuts. But the rationale is that cutting through molten cheese is extremely messy, so I avoid it if I can.

Also, Brussel sprouts are the best green vegetables.

I'm not drinking tap water or microwaving anything unless I'm about to die without doing it.

I'm lucky in that tap water is better than bottled water where I live. Do you never reheat leftovers?

I don't really drink bottled water either, unless I'm away from home and didn't bring enough with me. Usually I'll just filter it myself.

I love leftovers! They go in the oven or on the stove though... Maybe in the air fryer if I want them quick and they were supposed to be crispy.

I can understand the tap water aversion but not the microwave. Care to elaborate?

It makes everything taste terrible. I can't think of anything that tastes better microwaved. No, not even popcorn.

How does a microwave make things taste worse? It just adds energy. Popcorn tastes neither better nor worse; it just pops pretty well depending on the microwave.

Well, I'm no expert, but it seems like it tastes worse because of the uneven heating/adding too much energy to one area and not another. So texture changes and certain ingredients change flavor based on how much or how little energy they receive.

As for popcorn, I'd argue the difference is also uneven heating leading to unpopped kernels/random burnt taste if you try to pop them all. But also the packaging required to pop them in the microwave (and what's put inside that package) changes the flavor.

A big part of cooking for me is the control of how my food cooks and what I put into it. I'd rather wait and have it how I want vs getting it now with a bunch of other factors I can't control.

My weird rule is I don’t buy food…. Kidding not kidding

You say you're a dancing bear, but that sounds like something 3 raccoons in a trenchcoat would say.

Everyone gets a minimum of one chance for BS. I don't like people giving me BS.

I wouldn't even accept one chance for bullshit in my food.