I'm trans and I'm terrified, terrified for my queer friends and family, terrified for Ukraine and Palestine, and terrified for the planet.
If you didn't vote or voted for this piece of shit, fuck you. If you voted for him, you deserve the massive inflation and shit he's about to put you through.
Iโm straight and white, and I am also terrified for my queer friends and family. I figured Israel was always a lost cause but Ukraine is going to be so fucking stupid and painful when they get starved after we offered support.
If you didnโt vote or voted for this piece of shit, FUCK YOU
Harris got 15 mill less than biden.
Trump got same number of votes basically.
They just slept
America made it clear that they will not vote for a woman. Especially a woman of color. Fuck America
I suspected if she lost it was because she was a woman. Others are saying it was all Gaza and they didn't vote in protest.
A commentor replied to me showing the margins are like 10s of thousands in one state.
She seem way better than Hillary too. Hillary reminded me of my grandma but in all the bad ways.
Guess Trump may nuke the whales. Tried to nuke a hurricane.
Anyone who didn't vote in protest needs to shut the fuck up now. I don't wanna hear another damn word out of them regarding Gaza, or moralizing to the world. They will now get to see Gaza be dismantled.
They really stuck it to the Democratic party, hope they're fucking happy that their solution to the Gaza situation is to accelerate wiping Palestinians from existence. Blood is on their hands now more than anyone that did the bare minimum to keep democracy alive.
Nobody learned the lesson from 2016. We can't stick it to the dems until the GOP goes away.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
Being that I'm not transgender or American I don't think I can personally understand everything you're feeling right now. All I can say is be strong for yourself, and your friends and family; we all need to support each other if we are going to get through this.
And a double fuck you to anyone who voted for Trump.
You're still going to get fucked. The whole planet is going to get fucked. The MAGAs abolishing the EPA and going full-throttle on fossil fuels is going to make sure of that.
The climate is one thing that both would fuck the world.
That's a done deal at this point. The Democratic party would have slowed the rate of increase, but given the tipping points we've already crossed, we require actual massive amounts of removal of greenhouse gases, and major geo-engineering projects to try and prevent everything coming our way from climate change.
This is less of a politics post, and more of a
'we're so fucked, and most people aren't aware of how fucked we are that they think what the Democratic Party wants to do for climate would actually do a damn thing'
Seriously, at this point it would require a complete overhaul of both our political system and economic system such that life would be unrecognizable to forestall gigadeaths.
If China and India both go hard on climate action, that may be enough to turn it around. Because of their geographical position, they're both much more firmly in the line of fire. But the US being out of the game for at least the next four years definitely makes things much, much harder.
Not even there.
All I have to say:
What....
The...
Fuck....
The only silver lining is that maybe the Republicans will just forget about trans people until itโs time to stoke the hate again for the next election.
But yeah, very disappointing result. The country was willing to vote in a twice impeached convicted felon (whose sentencing will be postposed indefinitely, I suspect) over a gasp! brown woman.
Exit polls show 12% of lgbtq voters voted for Trump. 12% of lgbtq voters voted to be jailed, castrated, and discriminated against by their country. That is not only terrifying but also embarrassing.
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse... packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go...
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there's any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There's a good chance for another major pandemic, and we're passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we've fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US's place, but they're stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they're struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They're barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we're going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we've been edging into WWIII. Trump's senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he'll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We're done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won't make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi's paradox. It'd be a bigger question if we weren't rushing toward our own extinction.
I'd thought the Great Filter would be a more formidable event than a reality TV host
Count us out. Canada has our own Trump wannabe lined up. He's been like 20-30 points ahead and we're no where close to election time.
Ontario the biggest province stayed home and didn't bother to vote out the conservative premiere who has been fucking shit up. They all stayed home and handed him another majority. In a year or so we will elect our analog of Trump. Make no mistake he's stocked the party full of MAGA and Proud Boys. I'm not being dramatic. It's literally what it is. Within 4 years Canada will be openly aligned with Trump.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That's true, but whataboutism doesn't help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn't get any more obvious than that.
Yeah but so many people here didn't vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we're lumped in with the people who did vote for him that's gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I'm sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I'm from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
It's not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, "Yes, represent me."
Fuck this country.
Fuckimg depressing that probably 1/3rd of people didn't vote. And of the 2/3 of those that did - most of them voted Trump.
So basically a minimum of 1/3 but more likely more than 1/2 of Americans wanted Trump and the Republican Party to represent them. They voted for:
Russian dominion over Ukraine and further aggression on its neighbours
Chinese genocides and aggression on its neighbours
mass deportation of vulnerable and productive members of society (he calls them immigrants)
men controlling women's health and avoidable deaths
oppression of LGBTQ+
racism
fraud
corruption
Why? Because they believe that Trump is going to make them richer.
Nice people.
Putting all that aside, because most people don't delve into details, he is a damn idiot! People used to laugh and ostracize people like Trump not so long ago. Why is this suddenly okay to [long list of non-political things he said and did]?
"He's like me."
Large sections of the land country are deeply anti-intellectual, and proudly wear their badge of ignorance. They are enabled and abetted by their churches.
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
Itโs not just Americans buddy. Open your eyes.
Lots of countries are stupid, but not that many have >50% of their population be that incredibly stupid. Usually it's closer to 20-30%. America takes the gold though.
Must be nice to live in a world where you think USA is the only country to elect a moron. Iโm Canadian as well. Just wait.
Yep. This cluster fuck all but guaranteed our political dick-pendulum will swing right very shortly.
Itโs been swinging right since about 2012, worldwide. This is a symptom of that disease. The world has been falling more and more to right wing authoritarian fear mongering and xenophobia. Across Europe, the South Pacific, South America, Africa. Literally every continent has been swinging to the right and flirting with that doomsday trend of falling to fascist takeovers every, like, 80 years or so. And itโs back. Like some fucking cancer you just canโt beat.
It's going to swing right all across the world. This win solidifies the U.S. as a fascist nation. All the money and resources that have gone into achieving that won't disappear, if anything there'll be more money available now.
This is the opening bell on a very dark age.
Look at Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, UK and Germany's AFD. Hate is potent political fuel that's burning hotter and hotter.
The Philippines elected the son of the most brutal dictator in their history. So im really not sure about that.
50% of voters isn't 50% of the population. It's closer to 20-25%
I used to be the guy who said things like: you can't just call a whole country stupid. Bush was bad, but mistakes happen. Okay, bush was bad, what makes you think his son is better? Got it, so you learned that he's not better. You voted a second time? Okay that's kinda stupid if you ask me. And now? What are you even supposed to say anymore? A bag of rocks can at least be hucked at some american
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Apparently 51% of us or more are far dumber than a bag of rocks.
Aaand have the worst aim possible when it's actually needed. USA is known for guns, ffs, you had so many chances >_>
Now watch the effects ripple through the world. Now that a guy like him can be elected, politicians around the world will take note and use the same playbook. And it will probably work.
We already felt it in France with the 2016 US election, I can't imagine what the next decade will be like...
As a Canadian who has watched our politics slowly try to mimic America's, I'm terrfieid. As it is our conservative provincial premier is ripping out bike lanes on city streets that have apartments being built right now that offers significantly more bike parking than car parking. Its backwards progress, a signifcant amount of the lanes were just built and now we gotta spend more money ripping them out because some fat conservative feels offended he is too unfit to cycle.
I'm fearful for my trans family and friends. Poilievre and Trump is a terrible combination. We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
First it was ontario is open for business, under pierre all of Canada will be "open for business". They would sell every ounce of Canadian fresh water to just to watch a dozen people get rich.
We're getting it in Canada soon. Or in what's left of Canada once fascist USA has finished with us. We have the most extreme, reactionary, hateful Conservative leader ever, who openly panders to fascists, and he's some 20 points ahead of anyone else in the polls. My worst fear was him coming to power with Trump over the border, but that looks like what's going to happen. I do not understand people.
Germany will follow suit and we will get a conservative hardliner (and sexist boomer) with CDU's Merz who once voted to keep rape in a marriage legal. He will pave the way for the real fascists from the AfD, who will feel a lot more emboldened now.
I see everyone pointing the finger at the wrong place. We have two corrupt privately run parties. First past the Post literally puts us here. Places like Sweden wonโt have this problem because they allow their politics to represent nuance rather than two corporate parties. Meanwhile, the UK which DOES have FPTP, is watching NHS get eroded by the same brand of neoliberalism that strip-mined the entire American economy.
So as someone from Hungary, we've been speedrunning this shit, and the way out seems to be that you need to absolutely publicly destroy the current Democratic party, and get something, anything, that promises positive change as an alternative to fascism. I'm not saying necessarily third party, but at least an internal revolution in the DNC with the new people publicly disclaiming the current people and the status quo.
Trust me, you don't want 15 years of Trump like we had.
I'm pretty sure it's going to feel a lot like the 1940s.
Watch as Australia votes in a corrupt copper next year for prime minister. Making the same bullshit promises.
Qld just shit the bed with the state election, that was bad enough, federal will be a shitshow :(
Canada has one lined up too.
I swear to god if bolsonaro is elected again here I'm gonna blackout drink for the first time in a decade
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. Iโll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
It's going to be wild seeing the mass round-up of all the Latinos who voted for him.
you likely won't see it, as freedom of the press will likely be one of the first things to go out the window
Oh no. You will see it. I deliver to quite a few businesses that have Latino employees on Visas waiting the required time for citizenship.
Couple of them were flabbergasted that I was voting for Harris, lol.
oh i know it'll happen, and some people will see it. but it won't be on any news feed, and if it is, they'll just be labeled as "subversives" or something similar
everyone needs to take everything they thought they knew about this country and flush it down the toilet. because it's gone.
Look how tight the labor market got when COVID took a million people out of the workforce. Trump's talking about deporting 10 million workers and customers. You will absolutely see it, although it may be hard to connect the dots.
I know several. They think theyโll be spared for their green cards and citizenships. They donโt realize they are not Americans in the new sense of the word, and the rule of law has been suspended by the Supreme Court. Theyโre just further down the line. A fascist government needs โan enemy withinโ. Theyโll keep churning through groups, redefining the enemy to hold on to power.
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Personally, it kinda feels like a weight's been lifted. Now I can let go of the last shred of pretense of this country being anything other than a fat fucking joke.
I'm now aware that the US contains 71 million fascists, racists, sexist, bigots, or a combination of all 4.
I stopped by Walmart today and spent the entire time painfully aware that I was... surrounded.
I'm with you there. I mean don't get me wrong, I sure do feel depressed and also morbidly curious/looking forward to the upcoming schadenfreude, but yeah just accepting that America is really a racist country and it's not going to change.
Just going to bide my time here since I'm too old to move even with a tech job and encourage my kid to go to college abroad.
I was really hoping this sentiment would take hold the first time Trump won and it would awaken people to the boiling pot mass charade we are in.
I'm in shock... Good luck to you, American Democracy. It was nice knowing ya.
This time there's no saying you didn't know. This time there's no saying "well more voters wanted different". You get what you get, apparently enough people fall for "look over there" types of distractions in politics.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years. I know digital-age low-information fascism is on its way to Canada and I am definitely not ready.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years.
And all social progress has been set back 75 years.
This would be a very opportune time for the fediverse to be flourishing, because i dont see any single private company being able to provide a factual flow of information without getting blocked in the US.
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I've been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn't any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We're a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we've answered.
We didnt give it away, we actively cast it into an active volcano
This will open up doors for his sons to run for president. I don't know when but Eric trump will run and so will the other snot nose brat baron. Who knows when but it'll happen
Kind of an unsatisfying but still well deserved "TOLD YOU SO" moment... I knew those fuckers would be moronic enough to vote for this shit faced fascist again, while everyone told me to expect a Harris landslide... The fact that everyone talked about fucking grocery prices, tech research, housing prices, kids, abortions, and other (in the grand scheme of things) irrelevant bullshit that won't matter anymore, while we're literally about to seal the deal on our fate as a species, tells you clearly that no one wants to understand where we're headed and what's at stake.
But since nothing matters anymore, here's some more predictions from yours truly:
The US will turn into a fascist state (Tankies: AcKcHyUaLlY... โ๐ป๐คก)
Ukraine is going to get fucked by Russia, genociding them for good. The only chance here would be if NATO went in to liberate Ukraine before Trump is inaugurated, but neither Biden nor the rest of the West is going to have the balls for that.
Moldova will follow right after.
Taiwan will get fucked by China.
The world will fall into an economic crisis due to the fall of TSMC.
The rise of far right extremism & politics will continue within Europe.
NATO Alliance will be practically gone.
Far right countries in Europe will join Russia.
Russia & Friends will invade and annex the Baltic States.
The world globally failing to do anything to curb emissions will fall into a climate collapse. Causing food and water shortages, severe natural disasters, millions upon millions of climate refugees - which will get shot at the borders due to the now far right policies. All other issues above will amplify with the world state worsening and becoming more and more unstable.
I voted for Harris but I can't help but feel democrats did this to themselves. We've held a decent amount of power over the last 20 years but have done shockingly little. Just slowly letting our country dry and shrivel, leaving people increasingly desperate. Times like these make people seek change, ANY CHANGE, including voting for a dictator. Status-quo politics will fail every time during times like these. Who wants to die slowly?
All authoritarian countries are born from desperation. Chinese communist party, Nazi Germany, the USSR, Iran, North Korea and soon America.
They absolutely did. Harris couldn't even commit to keeping Lina Khan on board.
Democrats are allergic to success.
Yeah, I think a lot of dem voters have grown really apathetic. Democrat leaders hardly do anything so there's a sense of pointlessness. It feels like their pitch is "we're gonna fix everything by doing nothing! Trust us guys it's gonna work this time!". Trump says a bunch of bat shit crazy stuff that at least makes seem hes committed. I think that's the key here.
Because Democrats wanted to not look partisan instead of actually doing something with their majority
Exactly this. And if you point it out, you'll get all these reasons why it was impossible for Dems because of X, Y and Z, but deathly silence when it comes to "well but why were the Rs able to accomplish so much"? They're managing to get people into office and do things while the Dems constantly flounder - which leads to even worse election results as constituents lose more faith in their ability to lead.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Dems are ineffectual, so they struggle to win elections, so they struggle to have the power to do anything, thus looking like continued failures and ensuring more losses down the line.
The whole party needs to be severely gutted and reborn. Or a third party needs to rise up and start speaking for the average progressive voice that's not being heard anymore.
It leads to apathetic voters too, democrats who dont bother voting because they figure it won't change anything.
The dems have an identity crisis, they are so aggravatingly centrist in an attempt to swing votes, that they've become incredibly passive in their approach. Republicans are determined to completely restructure America according to their ideology. Dems are so politically inclusive in their approach, trying to cater to "far left", left, centrist AND slight right conservative that they are paralyzed concerning policy. The very best thing they can do is a 5% tax cut for the working class? Seriously?
I think if they went further left with candidates like Bernie, existing dems would be much more compelled to go out and vote. Right now they have zero commitment, almost none of Biden's policies came to fruition.
Watching the count last night, I remarked to my friend that Democrats lost people in the middleโthe undecided voters whose existence I struggled to understand a few months agoโbecause they don't actually have any principles and convictions; if they did, they'd eventually have to address issues that neoliberal capitalists want people to ignore, so they remain ineffectual and uninspiring.
Thus, white middle-class centrists who don't actually comprehend the threat to minority groups drifted back into their nostalgic dreams of 'smaller government' and 'lower taxes', regardless of being presented no evidence those things will be delivered. In their minds, those theoretical ideals are more exciting than another establishment Democrat with no values who does nothing to speak to their woes.
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn't even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman's 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again...
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people's conditions, they'd have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren't in the bag for Trump.
Harris was popular when she first announced.
I don't think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.
Absolutely.
I'm convinced that Biden would have won.
I personally believe that this is not Biden's or Kamala's fault. It's the old-school Democrat establishment's fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections. Lichtman predicted a Biden win, bad debate performance and all, and the dems fucked it up.
To be transparent, I still believed Lichtman when he said Harris would win. I will never believe in his stuff again, unless he adds new keys or something.
I personally believe that this is not Bidenโs or Kamalaโs fault. Itโs the old-school Democrat establishmentโs fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections.
Yes. Every time, even in 2020 when the mood of the country was very different, they are afraid to run anything other than center-right candidates because they "aren't electable". Guess what - your corporatist center-right candidates are consistently priming people to receive the protectionist messages from the fascists, Maybe fucking try something different some time, fucking DNC!
OK, the next question is: How do we convey this to liberals who think we want the dems to lose?
In the words of my boomer mother, "Things aren't going to get better until the boomers die off."
It's probably not even boomers anymore. This community, full of everything from hardcore progressives to literal communists, has gone feral defending Harris's disaster of a campaign. You couldn't, and still can't, call the DNC out for running a horrible candidate with a horrible (nonexistent) platform without being called a troll or a Russian bot. The new generation fell for the two party system hook, line and sinker.
Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who werenโt in the bag for Trump.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we'll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it's honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
Or it goes to show how much of a bubble we have here and how skewed the reporting in other countries is. So far there is absolutely no indication that it would be rigged and frankly the disconnect of the liberal online bubbles es emblematic for the disconnect of the Dem party from the people.
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I'm not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
I don't really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around?
There's always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
"Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure," per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
We have lost, democracy has lost, today the American people have lost to tyranny. All the Americans can do now is collect themselves and reorganize, the next four years will be the toughest years in American history and its effects will ripple across the world.
the next four years
We really may have just voted for the last time. I'll be thrilled if this only sucks for the next 4 years.
Really though we're fucked for the next 30-40 years based on the Supreme Court alone. Expecting Roberts to retire while Trump can name a younger, more bat-shit replacement. Possibly the same for Thomas and Alito.
I'm expecting 2-3 retirements as well to be replaced by true believer Christian fascists in their 30s. This Supreme Court has been terrible but if this comes to pass we will truly be fucked until the end of the Republic.
It won't be the last vote. Elections will just become more and more of a sham as Republicans restore white "democracy". But the show won't end, and it'll be hard to say where we reached the point of no return. IMHO it could have been as early as Nixon.
That's if it's only 4 years....
today the American people have lost to tyranny
Welcomed tyranny*
"Sure we're all fucked, but at least by not voting I defended the white man's natural right to rule! We were never gonna vote for an uppity black woman who's better than the alternative by every conceivable measure, and the Democratic party failed us for not acknowledging that. If we ever get elections again, maybe they'll have learned their lesson!" - non-voting racist sexist "democrats" in the USA
Fuck conservatives always and forever.
Alternatively: stop fucking conservatives and end their bloodlines.
And all of the accounts that I've been tagging here for the past several months doing everything they fucking could to get Trump elected? Nowhere to be seen. What a shock.
Lemmy's universe is fairly small potatoes for an election this big
Pretty sure you can just reuse your Reddit bot to spam here. If you're already running one it's not much effort to expand.
I don't wanna hear any more moralizing and complaining from young leftists who can't even be bothered to perform their civic duty and vote. Shut the fuck up.
What happens to Gaza in 2025 is on you, not Harris or the Democrats. And when you bitch about the genocide, remember that you facilitated it. You gave up your duty and gave Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, a clear path.
To be fair those missing nearly 20 million voters who didn't show up weren't all or even mostly leftist and progressives. They're your bog standard Democrats and independents that fucked everyone over.
I voted so I'm sure you won't mind hearing from this leftist. The problem isn't people who didn't vote. The problem is how the Democrats ran their campaign. They continue to punch left to try to appeal to moderate right-wingers who will never vote for them!
Instead, they should have punched right and tried to appeal to their base on the left. Even the "scary far left people" like me.
How to do that? They should have come out against the genocide in Israel instead of sicking the police on the fucking protesters.
But sure blame random individuals and what they chose to do. That sure sounds like The first step in fixing a large structural problem. /s
Not that it matters anyway, we won't be voting again not for real anyway.
You've learned nothing. If you can't win against a convicted felon and rapist with a national party infrastructure and billions in the bank you are a completely useless party.
Enjoy being relegated to the dust bin of history with the Wigs now that it's clear to even laymen that the king has no clothes.
Yeah it fucking is; they ran a fucking campaign that ignored the anti-genocide movement and instead decided they would win by campaigning with God damn Liz FUCKING Cheney and Laura FUCKING Bush instead of God damn Palestinian Americans and the anti-war movement. They wanted to win by going to the center, and they once again fucking LOST doing it, and it's somehow the God damn left's fault? Maybe, when your candidate loses with a strategy that the left tells you is a bad fucking idea, it's time for you to shut the fuck up, not them.
they ran a fucking campaign that ignored the anti-genocide movement
They didn't! They sent the cops to beat the shit out of them and called us antisemites.
Like if the dems stopped the genocide, every person who was activated enough to risk their safety and future protesting would be doing everything in their power to stop Trump from resuming it.
Funny how you never blame moderate republicans who refused to switch their vote.
Maybe you should appeal to someone else next time?
Blaming the left for the party going right, alienating the BIPOC and queers voters she swore to protect as she made friends with the people who want to harm BIPOC and queers.
Yeah it's our fault we weren't too confident in someone who uses minorities as useful idiot pawns for a game of Chess she doesn't wanna win.
Warm regards to those communities and users commenting the "both bad" mantra for months. Going to be a whole lot of surprised pikachus today
Oh yeah, but no surprised Pikachu face when the Democrats use the exact same strategy that cost them the election in 2016 and lose doing it in 2024, right? That was really good and smart, huh?
This, Harris wouldn't even lie about helping poor and marginalized people for fear of alienating that oh so coveted moderate Republican demographic.
moderate Republican demographic.
Yeah.... that was.... an odd choice they keep making.
Yep.
You are 100% right here. Courting R was possibly the worst thing they could have done. I refuse to believe that the outcome would have been worse had they instead embraced progressive domestic policies AND ALSO taken a tougher stance on Israels Gaza genocide.
I'm not even engaging with the Genocide-Joe commenters on this particular issue anymore, they think they changed something for the better today but god knows what. I felt and continue to feel that they threw out the baby with the bathwater. I don't think the Gaza issue did this though. I think it was the immediate rebranding as Republican-lite that Kamala tried, beginning roughly 30 seconds after she announced her candidacy. It earned her nothing with the R vote, and alienated Democrats at multiple points on the spectrum.
And Democrat leadership can go fuck themselves for never having the courage to move left and stand by it.
Well, the only thing we can do now is hope it won't be as bad as we all fear it could be. That and try to come up with a plan in case our worst fears are realized.
I think the rest of the world needs to start isolating the US. The US has too much power and poor leadership. Other countries need to find ways to reduce their exposure to and reliance on the US. I think the best way to do that is for the world to come together and create an independent global reserve currency. As long as the dollar is the world currency, the US will have all the power.
It feels like the Lion King but Scar killed Simba as well.
Now, since bOtH SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE, watch as Democrats file 600 lawsuits and scream about election fraud for 4 years, never once acknowledging the fact that there's been no evidence of any /s
There has been voter intimidation, poll worker intimidation etc
I'm sure there was but highly doubt there was enough to really matter, not to mention democrats at least lie in ways that don't assume everyone is a fucking moron.
This is what happens when justice tries to not look partisan. Garland fucked up. The 14th amendment was supposed to prevent this. What the fuck is going on
Who should be referred to as โrapist felonโ from here on out.
Unable to express my pain, anger and sadness right nowโฆ
This is a clown timeline, absolutely maddening to see the world fall into the hands of fascists so quickly. I was so active this election cycle, more than ever, and I had prayed to a god I don't even believe in, but alas the US has chosen its' path, and that path is one history will remember.
The mods of this community (and indeed this whole instance) demonstrated that pulling out all stops to censor even the most valid and well-worded criticisms of Kamala Harris's absolute shit, right wing platform are a recipe for disaster.
I hope it's clear now: If your supposed leftist candidate can't even run to the left of the GOP, they are going to lose. This is what happens when corporatists take over your entire party and you jump to their defense, pulling out all the stops against actual leftists, trying to raise the alarm that our party has been stolen because you're a stupid identity politics dupe.
Based
that's it. i guess it was fun while it lasted
Fuck.
Fuck.
Fitting.
Fuck this place.
Disgusting.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary's 65 million and Obama's 66 million, she's gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some 'swing' states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump's currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn't a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we'll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again.
I don't agree with this. Republican majority States are still over represented. They just happened to also win the popular vote this time. The scenario of Democrats winning popular vote but not electoral is still more likely than it happening to Republicans
Harris had a good start, but she never built on it. She stuck to her talking points and Trump will be worse rhetoric. That's enough for many of us, but the majority need to be swept away by sensation.
She didn't humanize herself enough, didn't show the world who she is. She's a private, guarded person (as much as a high profile politician can be) and a lot of people think that makes her unlikable. Unfortunately presidential candidates need to be well liked to succeed.
Fuck it, let it all come crashing down. I guess thatโs what we want
Calling it now, the mail in ballot counting will call it for Harris, and we're gonna have another Jan. 6
Unfortunately, I think the spread is too far for her to have a chance. And if she tries to pull some legal loophole/technicality to prevent him from getting certified as prez, thatโll cause another Jan 6 for sure.
The unfortunate reality is we choose this. There is no one else to blame but our own complacency.
Nah, fuck this mindset. I'm going to blame everyone who voted for the racist, homophobic rapist.
I'm also blaming propaganda from billionaires and Russia.
As well as the White House. Biden should have stepped down so we could have ran an actual primary.
And the White House sat on Trump's insurrection for four fucking years.
And the White House sat on Trump's insurrection for four fucking years.
The system as a whole failed us when it didn't convict Trump on either impeachment.
You cannot convince me that Republicans wouldn't have been rabidly screaming from rooftops that a Democratic President should be impeached if one did the same things Trump did while in office. And the sad thing is Democrats would have agreed and impeached him.
Republicans only care about holding on to power. Nothing else anymore.
And we as a nation just handed it to a candidate who wants to be 'Dictator for a day' as if any dictator has ever willingly relinquished power.
As someone in a non-traditional relationship, and who has two female children, I am fucking terrified.
I'm scared too. I just started hormone replacement therapy a few months ago, and found self-acceptance for the first time in my life. And also have a child, who's a very sweet boy that will become a young man with misogynist assholes in power. That's not the example I want for him.
I've been crying this morning. And I'm crying now.
I was planning on starting in the next couple of years myself, once I was financially stable enough to. I don't know what to tell you or anyone else, but I think we're dead.
The entire LGBTQ community is dead if we stick out at all.
No, it just simply doesn't. Regardless of how many (how fucking depressingly many) people voted for him, how fucked this country is, no one deserves to live through a fascist regime. We don't want housing just for the good homeless, we don't think only women who are "responsible" should have access to abortions, we don't think only Respectable Gays should have marriage rights. In the same vein, we shouldn't want only the good countries, only the good populations, to be free from tyranny. 70 million votes for that asshat, 70 out of 350. This country doesn't deserve this, because no one deserves this.
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can improve.
We hit rock bottom 8 years ago. This is miles under the bedrock.
The only hope I have is that the Bell riots start soon and we can force change, but damn every time it seems weโve hit bottom they break out a shiny new drill bit
I'm trans and I'm terrified, terrified for my queer friends and family, terrified for Ukraine and Palestine, and terrified for the planet.
If you didn't vote or voted for this piece of shit, fuck you. If you voted for him, you deserve the massive inflation and shit he's about to put you through.
Iโm straight and white, and I am also terrified for my queer friends and family. I figured Israel was always a lost cause but Ukraine is going to be so fucking stupid and painful when they get starved after we offered support.
If you didnโt vote or voted for this piece of shit, FUCK YOU
Harris got 15 mill less than biden. Trump got same number of votes basically.
They just slept
America made it clear that they will not vote for a woman. Especially a woman of color. Fuck America
I suspected if she lost it was because she was a woman. Others are saying it was all Gaza and they didn't vote in protest. A commentor replied to me showing the margins are like 10s of thousands in one state.
She seem way better than Hillary too. Hillary reminded me of my grandma but in all the bad ways.
Guess Trump may nuke the whales. Tried to nuke a hurricane.
Anyone who didn't vote in protest needs to shut the fuck up now. I don't wanna hear another damn word out of them regarding Gaza, or moralizing to the world. They will now get to see Gaza be dismantled.
They really stuck it to the Democratic party, hope they're fucking happy that their solution to the Gaza situation is to accelerate wiping Palestinians from existence. Blood is on their hands now more than anyone that did the bare minimum to keep democracy alive.
Nobody learned the lesson from 2016. We can't stick it to the dems until the GOP goes away.
I bet the dems are high fiving each other right now from all the donations they are going to get.
The genocide will continue until moral improves.
Either that, or that America will not vote for the status quo again.
Trump is the status quo as well so apparently they will
Being that I'm not transgender or American I don't think I can personally understand everything you're feeling right now. All I can say is be strong for yourself, and your friends and family; we all need to support each other if we are going to get through this.
And a double fuck you to anyone who voted for Trump.
You're still going to get fucked. The whole planet is going to get fucked. The MAGAs abolishing the EPA and going full-throttle on fossil fuels is going to make sure of that.
The climate is one thing that both would fuck the world.
That's a done deal at this point. The Democratic party would have slowed the rate of increase, but given the tipping points we've already crossed, we require actual massive amounts of removal of greenhouse gases, and major geo-engineering projects to try and prevent everything coming our way from climate change.
This is less of a politics post, and more of a 'we're so fucked, and most people aren't aware of how fucked we are that they think what the Democratic Party wants to do for climate would actually do a damn thing'
Seriously, at this point it would require a complete overhaul of both our political system and economic system such that life would be unrecognizable to forestall gigadeaths.
If China and India both go hard on climate action, that may be enough to turn it around. Because of their geographical position, they're both much more firmly in the line of fire. But the US being out of the game for at least the next four years definitely makes things much, much harder.
Not even there.
All I have to say:
What....
The...
Fuck....
The only silver lining is that maybe the Republicans will just forget about trans people until itโs time to stoke the hate again for the next election.
But yeah, very disappointing result. The country was willing to vote in a twice impeached convicted felon (whose sentencing will be postposed indefinitely, I suspect) over a gasp! brown woman.
Exit polls show 12% of lgbtq voters voted for Trump. 12% of lgbtq voters voted to be jailed, castrated, and discriminated against by their country. That is not only terrifying but also embarrassing.
I hate this timeline
THIS is the bad place!
Looks like Trump is going to touch us all in the bad place.
Hopefully Chidi and Eleanor will save us all soon.
Even Jason figured this one out.
I thought we escaped the worst timeline where Trump won in 2020, but it seems we never left it. This is even worse... packed SC from the start, granted complete immunity right from the get-go...
My only solace is that people endure far worse and manage to find some level of happiness. So just gotta endure and take care of each other and our own and keep searching for daylight
If there's any silver lining a meteor might hit us and put us out of our misery before we have to worry about wet bulb temperatures
There's a good chance for another major pandemic, and we're passing the global warming point of no return.
For better or worse, the US was the biggest player on the planet; now that we've fumbled, I think the world is done for. Maybe China could have risen to take the US's place, but they're stumbling toward an economic catastrophe, India has their own problems, and Russia is exposed as a bit player. The EU could have been a shining beacon, but they're struggling with their own rise in fascism. Who else is there? A South American country? They're barely holding on to their own economies. Canada? Too small - I mean, big country, but not very big population (1/10th of the US). And the US is big enough that when we go down, we're going to drag a lot of the planet with us. Shit, thanks to Russia and Israel, we've been edging into WWIII. Trump's senile enough to press the button, I have no doubt, and he'll be completely surrounded by moronic Yes-men this time, with no one to try to talk sense into him. Maybe a relatively quick, fiery end would be better than a painful spiral.
We're done as a planet. Some creatures will survive, but humans have used up all the readily available low-tech surface resources - oils, coals, metals - so anything that evolves intelligence after us won't make it past the stone age. And then, the sun will die.
At least we have more solid evidence to the answer to Fermi's paradox. It'd be a bigger question if we weren't rushing toward our own extinction.
I'd thought the Great Filter would be a more formidable event than a reality TV host
Count us out. Canada has our own Trump wannabe lined up. He's been like 20-30 points ahead and we're no where close to election time.
Ontario the biggest province stayed home and didn't bother to vote out the conservative premiere who has been fucking shit up. They all stayed home and handed him another majority. In a year or so we will elect our analog of Trump. Make no mistake he's stocked the party full of MAGA and Proud Boys. I'm not being dramatic. It's literally what it is. Within 4 years Canada will be openly aligned with Trump.
America is a country full of stupid people.
This is happening all over the world. The USA are just a little further ahead compared to Europe.
That's true, but whataboutism doesn't help much in a thread about the US election. Besides, in hardly any other democratic country in the world is the far-right or fascist candidate so obviously completely unsuitable: Trump has already been president and has previously made policies contrary to the interests of the idiots who voted for him; he has a criminal record for fraud and has been found guilty in various proceedings for many other crimes, such as sexual harassment, defamation and fraud amounting to millions. It doesn't get any more obvious than that.
Yeah but so many people here didn't vote for him and are just as appalled, so when we're lumped in with the people who did vote for him that's gonna make people pretty defensive
Yes, I get that of course. I'm sorry for you and every other US citizen that did not vote for him. I'm from Europe and still posted some anti-Trump stuff because I despise him and everything he stands for. I think he is a threat for the whole world.
It's not whataboutism when OC was the one saying it is a US specific issue
Way further ahead. Dude literally says he wants to be a dictator.
Only on day 1 haha. Gonna be something interesting to see happen. We should get bingo cards going for day 1
You go ahead and make bingo cards, I'll be prepping for the civil war.
Thanks for trying to make us feel better, but...
To be fair, isn't everywhere? Yeah I get it we have some real morons but the uneducated fucks that voted for Trump don't define us
51% of voters at least.
Coming soon to a neighborhood near you. ๐ญ
We are so fucked. The repercussions of this election are going to effect everything from SCOTUS to county courts. This is so utterly disgusting. People looked at the shit spewing from his mouth and said, "Yes, represent me."
Fuck this country.
Fuckimg depressing that probably 1/3rd of people didn't vote. And of the 2/3 of those that did - most of them voted Trump.
So basically a minimum of 1/3 but more likely more than 1/2 of Americans wanted Trump and the Republican Party to represent them. They voted for:
Why? Because they believe that Trump is going to make them richer.
Nice people.
Putting all that aside, because most people don't delve into details, he is a damn idiot! People used to laugh and ostracize people like Trump not so long ago. Why is this suddenly okay to [long list of non-political things he said and did]?
"He's like me."
Large sections of the
landcountry are deeply anti-intellectual, and proudly wear their badge of ignorance. They are enabled and abetted by their churches.This SCOTUS is the real issue. By the end of this term, Trump will have appointed 7 of 9 justices if Thomas and alito take the opportunity to retire.
So, I always thought it was just a mean bully thing to say, but, as a group, Americans really are dumber than a bag of rocks.
Itโs not just Americans buddy. Open your eyes.
Lots of countries are stupid, but not that many have >50% of their population be that incredibly stupid. Usually it's closer to 20-30%. America takes the gold though.
Must be nice to live in a world where you think USA is the only country to elect a moron. Iโm Canadian as well. Just wait.
Yep. This cluster fuck all but guaranteed our political dick-pendulum will swing right very shortly.
Itโs been swinging right since about 2012, worldwide. This is a symptom of that disease. The world has been falling more and more to right wing authoritarian fear mongering and xenophobia. Across Europe, the South Pacific, South America, Africa. Literally every continent has been swinging to the right and flirting with that doomsday trend of falling to fascist takeovers every, like, 80 years or so. And itโs back. Like some fucking cancer you just canโt beat.
It's going to swing right all across the world. This win solidifies the U.S. as a fascist nation. All the money and resources that have gone into achieving that won't disappear, if anything there'll be more money available now.
This is the opening bell on a very dark age.
Look at Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, UK and Germany's AFD. Hate is potent political fuel that's burning hotter and hotter.
The Philippines elected the son of the most brutal dictator in their history. So im really not sure about that.
50% of voters isn't 50% of the population. It's closer to 20-25%
I used to be the guy who said things like: you can't just call a whole country stupid. Bush was bad, but mistakes happen. Okay, bush was bad, what makes you think his son is better? Got it, so you learned that he's not better. You voted a second time? Okay that's kinda stupid if you ask me. And now? What are you even supposed to say anymore? A bag of rocks can at least be hucked at some american
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Apparently 51% of us or more are far dumber than a bag of rocks.
Aaand have the worst aim possible when it's actually needed. USA is known for guns, ffs, you had so many chances >_>
Now watch the effects ripple through the world. Now that a guy like him can be elected, politicians around the world will take note and use the same playbook. And it will probably work.
We already felt it in France with the 2016 US election, I can't imagine what the next decade will be like...
As a Canadian who has watched our politics slowly try to mimic America's, I'm terrfieid. As it is our conservative provincial premier is ripping out bike lanes on city streets that have apartments being built right now that offers significantly more bike parking than car parking. Its backwards progress, a signifcant amount of the lanes were just built and now we gotta spend more money ripping them out because some fat conservative feels offended he is too unfit to cycle.
I'm fearful for my trans family and friends. Poilievre and Trump is a terrible combination. We are going to need real grassroots political organizing to protect each other and civil disobedience in large numbers to slow the fascists in their persecution and environmental damage. Of course this will be harder than ever but we need to stop waiting for electoral politics to fix things and take action together.
First it was ontario is open for business, under pierre all of Canada will be "open for business". They would sell every ounce of Canadian fresh water to just to watch a dozen people get rich.
We're getting it in Canada soon. Or in what's left of Canada once fascist USA has finished with us. We have the most extreme, reactionary, hateful Conservative leader ever, who openly panders to fascists, and he's some 20 points ahead of anyone else in the polls. My worst fear was him coming to power with Trump over the border, but that looks like what's going to happen. I do not understand people.
Germany will follow suit and we will get a conservative hardliner (and sexist boomer) with CDU's Merz who once voted to keep rape in a marriage legal. He will pave the way for the real fascists from the AfD, who will feel a lot more emboldened now.
I see everyone pointing the finger at the wrong place. We have two corrupt privately run parties. First past the Post literally puts us here. Places like Sweden wonโt have this problem because they allow their politics to represent nuance rather than two corporate parties. Meanwhile, the UK which DOES have FPTP, is watching NHS get eroded by the same brand of neoliberalism that strip-mined the entire American economy.
So as someone from Hungary, we've been speedrunning this shit, and the way out seems to be that you need to absolutely publicly destroy the current Democratic party, and get something, anything, that promises positive change as an alternative to fascism. I'm not saying necessarily third party, but at least an internal revolution in the DNC with the new people publicly disclaiming the current people and the status quo.
Trust me, you don't want 15 years of Trump like we had.
I'm pretty sure it's going to feel a lot like the 1940s.
Watch as Australia votes in a corrupt copper next year for prime minister. Making the same bullshit promises.
Qld just shit the bed with the state election, that was bad enough, federal will be a shitshow :(
Canada has one lined up too.
I swear to god if bolsonaro is elected again here I'm gonna blackout drink for the first time in a decade
The Supreme Court will be changed for a generation. Iโll never see a moderate court again in my lifetime. Alito and Thomas will step down and Trump will appoint 40 year old partisans to the bench. The damage he is about to inflict on our institutions the next 2 years will be irreparable.
You reap what you sow, America.
It's going to be wild seeing the mass round-up of all the Latinos who voted for him.
you likely won't see it, as freedom of the press will likely be one of the first things to go out the window
Oh no. You will see it. I deliver to quite a few businesses that have Latino employees on Visas waiting the required time for citizenship.
Couple of them were flabbergasted that I was voting for Harris, lol.
oh i know it'll happen, and some people will see it. but it won't be on any news feed, and if it is, they'll just be labeled as "subversives" or something similar
everyone needs to take everything they thought they knew about this country and flush it down the toilet. because it's gone.
Look how tight the labor market got when COVID took a million people out of the workforce. Trump's talking about deporting 10 million workers and customers. You will absolutely see it, although it may be hard to connect the dots.
I know several. They think theyโll be spared for their green cards and citizenships. They donโt realize they are not Americans in the new sense of the word, and the rule of law has been suspended by the Supreme Court. Theyโre just further down the line. A fascist government needs โan enemy withinโ. Theyโll keep churning through groups, redefining the enemy to hold on to power.
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You dumb fucks.
Personally, it kinda feels like a weight's been lifted. Now I can let go of the last shred of pretense of this country being anything other than a fat fucking joke.
I'm now aware that the US contains 71 million fascists, racists, sexist, bigots, or a combination of all 4.
I stopped by Walmart today and spent the entire time painfully aware that I was... surrounded.
I'm with you there. I mean don't get me wrong, I sure do feel depressed and also morbidly curious/looking forward to the upcoming schadenfreude, but yeah just accepting that America is really a racist country and it's not going to change.
Just going to bide my time here since I'm too old to move even with a tech job and encourage my kid to go to college abroad.
I was really hoping this sentiment would take hold the first time Trump won and it would awaken people to the boiling pot mass charade we are in.
It did not.
I do not have much hope for this time around.
I'm in shock... Good luck to you, American Democracy. It was nice knowing ya.
This time there's no saying you didn't know. This time there's no saying "well more voters wanted different". You get what you get, apparently enough people fall for "look over there" types of distractions in politics.
The clock to progress has been set back at least 10 years. I know digital-age low-information fascism is on its way to Canada and I am definitely not ready.
And all social progress has been set back 75 years.
This would be a very opportune time for the fediverse to be flourishing, because i dont see any single private company being able to provide a factual flow of information without getting blocked in the US.
Any folks on reddit wondering about this?
I was born just before Reagan was elected. Growing up, I got the mostly mistaken impression that America had some of its shit sorted from Vietnam, WWII, and all that 20th century turmoil. A period of stability. Upward trending society. Reagan undid a lot of that progress.
I've been watching this country die, slowly, for 45 years. This has been such a weird time to be alive. Fighting over scraps we volunteered to subsist on instead of overthrowing corrupt and cruel systems. We had periods we thought we were recovering. We had hope. I feel today like there isn't any left. Another four years of this, and it will be worse.
He struck a fatal blow. He used the tools of fear and rhetoric to do it. The weakness was there, the vulnerability. And here is the next evolution of American fear. We're a country voluntarily destroying itself out of fear of our imminent destruction. We had everything, and we gave it away.
We heard the call of the void, and we've answered.
We didnt give it away, we actively cast it into an active volcano
This will open up doors for his sons to run for president. I don't know when but Eric trump will run and so will the other snot nose brat baron. Who knows when but it'll happen
Kind of an unsatisfying but still well deserved "TOLD YOU SO" moment... I knew those fuckers would be moronic enough to vote for this shit faced fascist again, while everyone told me to expect a Harris landslide... The fact that everyone talked about fucking grocery prices, tech research, housing prices, kids, abortions, and other (in the grand scheme of things) irrelevant bullshit that won't matter anymore, while we're literally about to seal the deal on our fate as a species, tells you clearly that no one wants to understand where we're headed and what's at stake.
But since nothing matters anymore, here's some more predictions from yours truly:
TLDR: Nothing fucking matters anymore, we're done. Thanks, you dumb fucks.
It's going to be a world war. They wrote my whole family's fucking epitaph with this election.
I voted for Harris but I can't help but feel democrats did this to themselves. We've held a decent amount of power over the last 20 years but have done shockingly little. Just slowly letting our country dry and shrivel, leaving people increasingly desperate. Times like these make people seek change, ANY CHANGE, including voting for a dictator. Status-quo politics will fail every time during times like these. Who wants to die slowly?
All authoritarian countries are born from desperation. Chinese communist party, Nazi Germany, the USSR, Iran, North Korea and soon America.
They absolutely did. Harris couldn't even commit to keeping Lina Khan on board.
Democrats are allergic to success.
Yeah, I think a lot of dem voters have grown really apathetic. Democrat leaders hardly do anything so there's a sense of pointlessness. It feels like their pitch is "we're gonna fix everything by doing nothing! Trust us guys it's gonna work this time!". Trump says a bunch of bat shit crazy stuff that at least makes seem hes committed. I think that's the key here.
Because Democrats wanted to not look partisan instead of actually doing something with their majority
Exactly this. And if you point it out, you'll get all these reasons why it was impossible for Dems because of X, Y and Z, but deathly silence when it comes to "well but why were the Rs able to accomplish so much"? They're managing to get people into office and do things while the Dems constantly flounder - which leads to even worse election results as constituents lose more faith in their ability to lead.
It's a self fulfilling prophecy at this point. Dems are ineffectual, so they struggle to win elections, so they struggle to have the power to do anything, thus looking like continued failures and ensuring more losses down the line.
The whole party needs to be severely gutted and reborn. Or a third party needs to rise up and start speaking for the average progressive voice that's not being heard anymore.
It leads to apathetic voters too, democrats who dont bother voting because they figure it won't change anything.
The dems have an identity crisis, they are so aggravatingly centrist in an attempt to swing votes, that they've become incredibly passive in their approach. Republicans are determined to completely restructure America according to their ideology. Dems are so politically inclusive in their approach, trying to cater to "far left", left, centrist AND slight right conservative that they are paralyzed concerning policy. The very best thing they can do is a 5% tax cut for the working class? Seriously?
I think if they went further left with candidates like Bernie, existing dems would be much more compelled to go out and vote. Right now they have zero commitment, almost none of Biden's policies came to fruition.
Watching the count last night, I remarked to my friend that Democrats lost people in the middleโthe undecided voters whose existence I struggled to understand a few months agoโbecause they don't actually have any principles and convictions; if they did, they'd eventually have to address issues that neoliberal capitalists want people to ignore, so they remain ineffectual and uninspiring.
Thus, white middle-class centrists who don't actually comprehend the threat to minority groups drifted back into their nostalgic dreams of 'smaller government' and 'lower taxes', regardless of being presented no evidence those things will be delivered. In their minds, those theoretical ideals are more exciting than another establishment Democrat with no values who does nothing to speak to their woes.
Called it, using Allan Lichtman's own 13 keys principle (in ways that he himself overlooked), and on a heavily downvoted comment.
Where I was wrong was with how narrow the result would he. It wasn't even Gore v Bush levels of close unlike when Lichtman's 13 keys prediction previously failed. Kamala lost the popular vote to a convicted felon that tried to usurp democracy and is the reason why abortion is no longer a federal right. The Republicans spent the last few weeks crapping on Haitians and Puerto Ricans, yet won some districts with large Latino populations.
This is what happens when Democrats ignore their voter base and choose a cabal of unpopular and uncharismatic candidates to carry the torch. The bar is now so low that we need James Cameron to venture out into the Mariana Trench and lift it back up again...
Harris was popular when she first announced. She then proceeded to run to the cold dead embrace of the Biden campaign.
Progressive policy is more popular than any candidate, if they focused on rent control, free healthcare, free childcare, free college and other immediate, material improvements to people's conditions, they'd have won in a landslide. Instead they abandoned the rest of the country to pursue the <10% of republicans who weren't in the bag for Trump.
I don't think she was popular when first announced, rather the fact that not-Biden was popular.
Absolutely.
I'm convinced that Biden would have won.
I personally believe that this is not Biden's or Kamala's fault. It's the old-school Democrat establishment's fault. They did Bernie dirty in 2016. And then they did the same to Biden in these elections. Lichtman predicted a Biden win, bad debate performance and all, and the dems fucked it up.
To be transparent, I still believed Lichtman when he said Harris would win. I will never believe in his stuff again, unless he adds new keys or something.
Yes. Every time, even in 2020 when the mood of the country was very different, they are afraid to run anything other than center-right candidates because they "aren't electable". Guess what - your corporatist center-right candidates are consistently priming people to receive the protectionist messages from the fascists, Maybe fucking try something different some time, fucking DNC!
OK, the next question is: How do we convey this to liberals who think we want the dems to lose?
In the words of my boomer mother, "Things aren't going to get better until the boomers die off."
It's probably not even boomers anymore. This community, full of everything from hardcore progressives to literal communists, has gone feral defending Harris's disaster of a campaign. You couldn't, and still can't, call the DNC out for running a horrible candidate with a horrible (nonexistent) platform without being called a troll or a Russian bot. The new generation fell for the two party system hook, line and sinker.
YES! I held my nose and voted for her, she turned her back on everything that looked like hope and change during her campaign. Her reaction to R looking weak was to jump to the right, somehow.
Having said that, anyone who needed to be wooed to not vote for Trump was a lost cause, but she literally turned away from every sort of policy decision that excites Democrats.
I think inflation is the biggest part of why Trump won. People wrongly blamed Biden for it. I guess we'll just have to learn some lessons again.
People learned a lesson the first time?!
Is there any chance that shit was rigged this time around? As an outsider it's honestly just crazy to me that the difference can be so huge, almost unimaginable.
Or it goes to show how much of a bubble we have here and how skewed the reporting in other countries is. So far there is absolutely no indication that it would be rigged and frankly the disconnect of the liberal online bubbles es emblematic for the disconnect of the Dem party from the people.
Even if it were - what are we gonna do about it? After shitting all over the place with their BS for the past four years, claiming an election is stolen has risen to "jet fuel can't melt steel beams" levels.
There would need to be a 4k video of Trump and cronies detailing exactly how they were going to do it, and every detail would need to be easily verified, and even then I'm not sure it would get enough traction to matter.
I don't really think so, I think the Trump campaign is as surprised as the rest of us. Their plan to steal the election hinged on them calling the results into question and contesting the whole thing through the Trump-friendly Supreme Court.
I wonder if any of them are disappointed. They were planning for a coup, but they were given power freely.
There's always a chance of almost anything, but it is very slim (conspiracy theory) with no evidence to support it:
"Importantly, we have no evidence of any malicious activity that had a material impact on the security or integrity of our election infrastructure," per the U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) Director Jen Easterly.
Source: https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/news/statement-cisa-director-easterly-security-2024-elections
We have lost, democracy has lost, today the American people have lost to tyranny. All the Americans can do now is collect themselves and reorganize, the next four years will be the toughest years in American history and its effects will ripple across the world.
We really may have just voted for the last time. I'll be thrilled if this only sucks for the next 4 years.
Really though we're fucked for the next 30-40 years based on the Supreme Court alone. Expecting Roberts to retire while Trump can name a younger, more bat-shit replacement. Possibly the same for Thomas and Alito.
I'm expecting 2-3 retirements as well to be replaced by true believer Christian fascists in their 30s. This Supreme Court has been terrible but if this comes to pass we will truly be fucked until the end of the Republic.
It won't be the last vote. Elections will just become more and more of a sham as Republicans restore white "democracy". But the show won't end, and it'll be hard to say where we reached the point of no return. IMHO it could have been as early as Nixon.
That's if it's only 4 years....
Welcomed tyranny*
"Sure we're all fucked, but at least by not voting I defended the white man's natural right to rule! We were never gonna vote for an uppity black woman who's better than the alternative by every conceivable measure, and the Democratic party failed us for not acknowledging that. If we ever get elections again, maybe they'll have learned their lesson!" - non-voting racist sexist "democrats" in the USA
Fuck conservatives always and forever.
Alternatively: stop fucking conservatives and end their bloodlines.
And all of the accounts that I've been tagging here for the past several months doing everything they fucking could to get Trump elected? Nowhere to be seen. What a shock.
Lemmy's universe is fairly small potatoes for an election this big
Pretty sure you can just reuse your Reddit bot to spam here. If you're already running one it's not much effort to expand.
Why should Dimitri log into any of his burner accounts? The job is done.
I don't wanna hear any more moralizing and complaining from young leftists who can't even be bothered to perform their civic duty and vote. Shut the fuck up. What happens to Gaza in 2025 is on you, not Harris or the Democrats. And when you bitch about the genocide, remember that you facilitated it. You gave up your duty and gave Netanyahu exactly what he wanted, a clear path.
To be fair those missing nearly 20 million voters who didn't show up weren't all or even mostly leftist and progressives. They're your bog standard Democrats and independents that fucked everyone over.
I voted so I'm sure you won't mind hearing from this leftist. The problem isn't people who didn't vote. The problem is how the Democrats ran their campaign. They continue to punch left to try to appeal to moderate right-wingers who will never vote for them!
Instead, they should have punched right and tried to appeal to their base on the left. Even the "scary far left people" like me.
How to do that? They should have come out against the genocide in Israel instead of sicking the police on the fucking protesters.
But sure blame random individuals and what they chose to do. That sure sounds like The first step in fixing a large structural problem. /s
Not that it matters anyway, we won't be voting again not for real anyway.
You've learned nothing. If you can't win against a convicted felon and rapist with a national party infrastructure and billions in the bank you are a completely useless party.
Enjoy being relegated to the dust bin of history with the Wigs now that it's clear to even laymen that the king has no clothes.
Yeah it fucking is; they ran a fucking campaign that ignored the anti-genocide movement and instead decided they would win by campaigning with God damn Liz FUCKING Cheney and Laura FUCKING Bush instead of God damn Palestinian Americans and the anti-war movement. They wanted to win by going to the center, and they once again fucking LOST doing it, and it's somehow the God damn left's fault? Maybe, when your candidate loses with a strategy that the left tells you is a bad fucking idea, it's time for you to shut the fuck up, not them.
They didn't! They sent the cops to beat the shit out of them and called us antisemites.
Like if the dems stopped the genocide, every person who was activated enough to risk their safety and future protesting would be doing everything in their power to stop Trump from resuming it.
Funny how you never blame moderate republicans who refused to switch their vote.
Maybe you should appeal to someone else next time?
Blaming the left for the party going right, alienating the BIPOC and queers voters she swore to protect as she made friends with the people who want to harm BIPOC and queers.
Yeah it's our fault we weren't too confident in someone who uses minorities as useful idiot pawns for a game of Chess she doesn't wanna win.
Warm regards to those communities and users commenting the "both bad" mantra for months. Going to be a whole lot of surprised pikachus today
Oh yeah, but no surprised Pikachu face when the Democrats use the exact same strategy that cost them the election in 2016 and lose doing it in 2024, right? That was really good and smart, huh?
This, Harris wouldn't even lie about helping poor and marginalized people for fear of alienating that oh so coveted moderate Republican demographic.
Yeah.... that was.... an odd choice they keep making.
Yep.
You are 100% right here. Courting R was possibly the worst thing they could have done. I refuse to believe that the outcome would have been worse had they instead embraced progressive domestic policies AND ALSO taken a tougher stance on Israels Gaza genocide.
I'm not even engaging with the Genocide-Joe commenters on this particular issue anymore, they think they changed something for the better today but god knows what. I felt and continue to feel that they threw out the baby with the bathwater. I don't think the Gaza issue did this though. I think it was the immediate rebranding as Republican-lite that Kamala tried, beginning roughly 30 seconds after she announced her candidacy. It earned her nothing with the R vote, and alienated Democrats at multiple points on the spectrum.
And Democrat leadership can go fuck themselves for never having the courage to move left and stand by it.
Not only are we in the worst timeline....
I actually don't have anything to add.
How did we get here? And even more terrifying how many people that actually went to go vote were surprised that Biden wasn't on the ticket?!?!
And let me just go ahead and get myself in trouble. Fuck you every single person that didn't vote for Kamala Harris that was eligible.
SPECIFICALLY...
Well I guess I don't want to get in trouble that bad.
Yes, this is the fucking bullshit we live with. Due to our winner-take-all insanely backwards system....
I'm not technically allowed to properly criticize whomever didn't show up to the polls.
Whatever groups they may or may not belong to.
Yeah I'm sounding like a motherfucking Maga bitch right now.....
But guess what Arab Americans and black men??!?!!? ( if and only if those are demographics that didn't show up to vote )
Get completely and totally fucked by the Trump administration. Has nothing to do with me and everything do with them
Edit:
For what it's worth I'm terribly sorry for not including the Latino vote that went to Trump
Ultimately it doesn't really matter which particular demographic I blame because the truth is I'm not blaming anyone in particular.
Fuck America, fuck me, and fuck Trump
Well, the only thing we can do now is hope it won't be as bad as we all fear it could be. That and try to come up with a plan in case our worst fears are realized.
I think the rest of the world needs to start isolating the US. The US has too much power and poor leadership. Other countries need to find ways to reduce their exposure to and reliance on the US. I think the best way to do that is for the world to come together and create an independent global reserve currency. As long as the dollar is the world currency, the US will have all the power.
It feels like the Lion King but Scar killed Simba as well.
Now, since bOtH SiDeS aRe ThE sAmE, watch as Democrats file 600 lawsuits and scream about election fraud for 4 years, never once acknowledging the fact that there's been no evidence of any /s
There has been voter intimidation, poll worker intimidation etc
I'm sure there was but highly doubt there was enough to really matter, not to mention democrats at least lie in ways that don't assume everyone is a fucking moron.
If Trump cuts social security, itโs euthanasia for me. Iโm too disabled to care for myself and prefer killing myself than starving in the streets.
This is what happens when justice tries to not look partisan. Garland fucked up. The 14th amendment was supposed to prevent this. What the fuck is going on
Wanna know what happens next? Check out history repeats itself, or any of the Project 2025 analyses.
Edit: Look on the bright side, at least we won't have to take time from our busy schedules to vote four years from now.
Oh, there will probably still be an election. It will just be like the ones in Russia that are performative.
I didn't follow the election really since I as an European aren't affected that much by it.
However I was pretty sure Kamala would win.
I am shocked right now and my faith in humanity dropped again....
What is wrong with people?
I can't understand them. Does nobody care about the facts anymore?
I mean the whole world is fucked, but the US is fucked even more.
We created giant server farms to come up with hallucinations and lies on demand, using the equivalent power draw of entire countries.
I'm hoping, against all odds, that you're right
It's cute you think the US doesn't affect Europe. Sounds like you miss a lot.
Fascism is quite popular here. We have a lot of racists. We have a lot of uneducated people. We have a lot of self-interested petty-bourgeoise.
The 80 year cycle reset is upon us.
Who should be referred to as โrapist felonโ from here on out.
Unable to express my pain, anger and sadness right nowโฆ
This is a clown timeline, absolutely maddening to see the world fall into the hands of fascists so quickly. I was so active this election cycle, more than ever, and I had prayed to a god I don't even believe in, but alas the US has chosen its' path, and that path is one history will remember.
I'd like to take this moment to shine the spotlight on aidan@lemmy.world, HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world, jordanlund@lemmy.world, little_cow@lemmy.world, and outrageousmatter@lemmy.world
The mods of this community (and indeed this whole instance) demonstrated that pulling out all stops to censor even the most valid and well-worded criticisms of Kamala Harris's absolute shit, right wing platform are a recipe for disaster.
I hope it's clear now: If your supposed leftist candidate can't even run to the left of the GOP, they are going to lose. This is what happens when corporatists take over your entire party and you jump to their defense, pulling out all the stops against actual leftists, trying to raise the alarm that our party has been stolen because you're a stupid identity politics dupe.
Based
that's it. i guess it was fun while it lasted
Fuck.
Fuck.
Fitting.
Fuck this place.
Disgusting.
Just with a bit of estimation of the remaining 12% of votes uncounted, Trump is going to beat his 2020 vote record by a couple million, 81 million on the high end and maybe closer to 77 million on the low end. Unlikely, but possible he beats the 2020 all time record set by Biden. Definitely beats his 2020 numbers.
Kamala recently pulled ahead of Hillary's 65 million and Obama's 66 million, she's gonna end up around 71-74 million.
Kamala lost the Popular Vote. In fact she won some blue states by smaller margins then she lost some 'swing' states. Nevada might not even be tight enough to qualify as a swing state this election(needs to be 5% or less, Trump's currently winning by 5.2% meaning it wasn't a swing state), meanwhile Minnesota was won by 3, New Jersey by 4, New Hampshire by 4 and a half, and Maine might be lost we'll see, but those 4 were all swing states as the margin was less than 5%. New Mexico and Virginia came very close(and New Mexico would have been under 5 without RFK Jr dragging Trump down a point).
This also suggests the Electoral College no longer favors Republicans, and is somewhere between neutral and actually favoring Democrats again. 2028 a tight election with a Democrat win could see them lose the PV and win the EC.
I had a ton of 2004 vibes from the start and it looks like that was correct. He is coming back to serve a second term, and YES, this time he won the national electiiion
I don't agree with this. Republican majority States are still over represented. They just happened to also win the popular vote this time. The scenario of Democrats winning popular vote but not electoral is still more likely than it happening to Republicans
Well now a whole lot of people get to know what the end of Rome felt like.
Lame.
I don't want to offend any American here, but.........what the fuck is wrong with your entire country?
It begins. May the odds be ever in your favor.
Harris had a good start, but she never built on it. She stuck to her talking points and Trump will be worse rhetoric. That's enough for many of us, but the majority need to be swept away by sensation.
She didn't humanize herself enough, didn't show the world who she is. She's a private, guarded person (as much as a high profile politician can be) and a lot of people think that makes her unlikable. Unfortunately presidential candidates need to be well liked to succeed.
Fuck it, let it all come crashing down. I guess thatโs what we want
Calling it now, the mail in ballot counting will call it for Harris, and we're gonna have another Jan. 6
Unfortunately, I think the spread is too far for her to have a chance. And if she tries to pull some legal loophole/technicality to prevent him from getting certified as prez, thatโll cause another Jan 6 for sure.
Won't even matter, if it gets called for Harris at this point the election is murky enough that the Supreme Court can just hand Trump the presidency.
Dude there's a 5 million vote difference in the popular vote. I don't think the mail in vote is going to change that
I hope you are correct. About Kamala. Not the rest.
I wish there was a way to know how much longer tha mail ins will take
IIRC trying to remember for the last 20 years, but those take a couple to a few weeks, and the challenges in court will take possibly till Jan.
Oops! All fascists.
The unfortunate reality is we choose this. There is no one else to blame but our own complacency.
Nah, fuck this mindset. I'm going to blame everyone who voted for the racist, homophobic rapist.
I'm also blaming propaganda from billionaires and Russia.
As well as the White House. Biden should have stepped down so we could have ran an actual primary.
And the White House sat on Trump's insurrection for four fucking years.
The system as a whole failed us when it didn't convict Trump on either impeachment.
You cannot convince me that Republicans wouldn't have been rabidly screaming from rooftops that a Democratic President should be impeached if one did the same things Trump did while in office. And the sad thing is Democrats would have agreed and impeached him.
Republicans only care about holding on to power. Nothing else anymore.
And we as a nation just handed it to a candidate who wants to be 'Dictator for a day' as if any dictator has ever willingly relinquished power.
As someone in a non-traditional relationship, and who has two female children, I am fucking terrified.
I'm scared too. I just started hormone replacement therapy a few months ago, and found self-acceptance for the first time in my life. And also have a child, who's a very sweet boy that will become a young man with misogynist assholes in power. That's not the example I want for him.
I've been crying this morning. And I'm crying now.
I was planning on starting in the next couple of years myself, once I was financially stable enough to. I don't know what to tell you or anyone else, but I think we're dead.
The entire LGBTQ community is dead if we stick out at all.
This country deserves what's coming to it.
No, it just simply doesn't. Regardless of how many (how fucking depressingly many) people voted for him, how fucked this country is, no one deserves to live through a fascist regime. We don't want housing just for the good homeless, we don't think only women who are "responsible" should have access to abortions, we don't think only Respectable Gays should have marriage rights. In the same vein, we shouldn't want only the good countries, only the good populations, to be free from tyranny. 70 million votes for that asshat, 70 out of 350. This country doesn't deserve this, because no one deserves this.
Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can improve.
We hit rock bottom 8 years ago. This is miles under the bedrock.
The only hope I have is that the Bell riots start soon and we can force change, but damn every time it seems weโve hit bottom they break out a shiny new drill bit
Fuck
Is there a lemmy community similar to this one that allows discussion posts? This community only allows link sharing.
Aight I may or may not give up but...
VIVA LA CALIFORNIA
MORT AU AMERICA