okay, I was gonna say that it’s not that big of a deal because you can just slightly lift it when you want to turn it on (or just slide your finder under it, if they’re small enough) but judging by that photo, it seems like the power button is at the back of the computer? whyyyy??
anyways, im more impressed by the fact that their new shiny mouse who finally uses USB-C still has the charging port at the bottom. im starting to think they think it’s a good design???
I read someone else musing that they must have thought that keeping it plugged in all the time would be bad, so the made it impossible to use the mouse while plugged in. Seems plausible. I suppose it would degrade the battery? Or the cord drag would be bad?
The design forces the user to use it wirelessly. Apple just wants their products to look better, meaning NO CORDS EVER. It's entirely about aesthetic.
They should have just released a mouse pad that can charge the mouse wirelessly then.
If I worked at Apple, I’d hire you right here, right now.
$7.000
im surprised they haven’t done this tbh
Apparently Logitech does have this out now, so I wonder if they patented the "concept" and it will be another 20 years before anyone can do it. Assuming that someone else didn't already do it 20 years ago and that patented already ran out.
Ive seen one at least 10 years ago already. But that didn't exactly charge the mouse, instead the mouse relied on always being on the pad to work.
I have one of their trackpads and it works great with Ubuntu over USB but not over Bluetooth for some reason. (It connects, but Ubuntu doesn’t handle it well.)
It’s literally just the same body as the OG Magic Mouse, which had a bay for a pair of AAs underneath. All they did was remove the bay, put a rechargeable battery in there, and a socket to charge it. It takes a couple of minutes to give it 9 hours of juice.
There’s no grand conspiracy.
I've said too much they're coming for me they know they know they know
If that’s the case, then why does the wireless keyboard have the port on the back?
I just think it’s weird that people are complaining about the power button and the mouse charging situation, but no one is complaining that this DESKTOP computer does not have any USB-A ports. If you want to use any wired keyboard or a Logitech mouse with the adapter you’ll need to attach a dongle. Crazy.
I'm not an Apple fanboy, nor have I ever purchased one of their products (and I don't plan to), but I'm actually fine with this because there are lots of USB-C mice and keyboards on the market these days in every price range. At the very most, you might have to buy a different cable because the ones I've bought tend to come with USB-C to USB-A cables instead of C to C. But eventually that will change as USB-A is inevitably phased out.
I actually do buy Apple products and I can accept your logic for a laptop because I use a docking station. The point of the Mac Mini is to be the cheap Mac and adding extra cords or dongles just increases the cost and creates a mess behind the machine.
My MacBook has just two USB-C sockets. When I bought it I picked up a couple of A adapters on Amazon for a few quid each. It’s never been an issue. Even less so with a desktop, as you’re able to leave the adapters in all the time.
Yes but we are bitching about trivial things and the lack of USB-A is far worse than the location of the power button on a desktop. I don’t accept the mouse criticism because it’s not required to buy a Magic Mouse. I have a MacBook but I use a Thunderbolt dock so in my use case the usb-c port increases convenience.
It's a desktop, so you will obviously need an external monitor. Most of the new monitors these days also work as USB hubs - you just run a USB C cable from the computer to the monitor and you get both display and additional ports.
I personally use a dock that has three Thunderbolt downstream ports with my MacBook and run USB-C to DisplayPort cables connect two screens. If you have one monitor then you can ignore 90% of what I’m griping about. I just think it’s interesting what people notice. The old high end Mac Mini had 4 Thunderbolt USB-C and 2 USB-A. All ports including headphones were on the back. I don’t mind a front audio jack but prefer it on the back since I use it for speakers. This machine is still a major upgrade no matter what. Thunderbolt 4 is bandwidth limited if you want 3 hi-dpi screens or two 4K 60, so Thunderbolt 5 is a big deal on the Mini Pro.
My theory is: free publicity. Just like the fashion industry comes up with ridiculous clothes that no one would ever wear, attention whores will constantly do outrageous things so that people will talk about them. The number of electrons spilled over this stupid mouse port placement over the years is uncountable. But the repeated conversations keep Apple in the public consciousness as a fashionista.
I think it’s more just their minimal design combined with the fact that a normal user will never press the power button. Most people don’t shut down their computers, and if they do, a key on the keyboard turns it on.
The only argument I’ve seen to this being bad is in a server rack environment.
Apple doesn't want people using the mouse with the cable attached because it would cost them a fortune due to failed charging ports within the warranty period. It's a wireless mouse. Using it plugged in will fuck it up.
I fix computers and an apple mouse with a bad charge port is just a throwaway.
"Our new Mac Mini is so powerful, so extraordinary, you'll never want to turn it off." -- Tim Apple, probably.
Or they got inspired by the Ericsson Cobra telephone.
Lol, Tim Apple. Who was it that said that? Was it Biden?
No... it was tRump.
Oh good, that's better.
It's very bad idea to put power button under the bottom, Who think the designer should need to be fired here
Wouldn't surprise me if it was the same guy who put the charge port on the magic mouse on the bottom.
That at least has a logical excuse if dumb as hell, this has zero reason to be like this
Apple didn't want to muddy their nice design by including functions.
Frankly you're lucky it has any ports
Honestly though, they should have added Qi charging to the magic mouse, as well as magnets to you could easily place it on the back of the iMac and have it charging when you leave the computer....
After seeing the mouse with ports on the bottom. I'm convinced that there's a disgruntled designer on their team and this is a cry for help.
I wonder how many people will just have the thing upside down?
users will put something under the buuton, so pushing down the whole PC becomes the power button
A base plate that’s got a spring under it, except for a little nub that pokes the power button.
Terrible if you live in earthquake-prone areas.
Wait. Are we describing a bump stock for your computer?
New business idea!
That's genius
design consistent with the Magic Mouse
Apple insider are already framing this as not a design flaw but an advantage somehow
it opens up a whole new surface for things. Soon there will be a dozen USB C ports on the bottom and you'll need to buy special apple right angle cables to access them that they charge $30 per 1m cable.
The have active electronics in them so that if any non-apple right angle connectors are used it limits them to usb 1.0 speeds and 5v 0.5A power delivery. It's for your safety.
It’s for your safety.
That new surface is very risky, and if you don't use the right connector it might catch the whole mini on fire!
Trust us. We're THE design company!
Yeah.. I used to sell Apple gear.
When Apple announced the Mighty mouse 20 years ago, everyone was super excited. There wasn't much info, and we were almost wondering if it was a touch sensitive button on it.
What we got though was a mouse which gave you RSI any time you clicked the right button.
Now, I have a Mac Studio. Every PC has the power button on the top or front. This guy? Nah, lets put it on the back! And the M2 is a professional machine, so lets ship with 8GB ram only.. And MAKE IT SHARED VIDEO MEMORY!
And lets stick an ARM chip with no raytracing on it, because thats what people crave
I can't wait for Apple to reveal a desk, with a keyboard built-in underneath the back side of it.
It would be an electric standig desk as well, battery powered obviously, and you would need to flip the table top 90 degrees up sideways to recharge the battery every other month.
People would sleep outside to get their hands on it ASAP.
That desk would have a hidden monitor as well, like a fucked up pimp my ride car.
24" but 24K pixels.
Glorious 160x150 resolution
So many people referring to using the button to turn the computer off, but more than 95% of the time, you use the OS to turn a computer off. It’s only when there’s a malfunction you would need to turn it off with a hardware button.
This button is primarily for turning the computer on.
Sure but you still need to turn it on though?
This button is primarily for turning the computer on.
Sure but you still need to turn it on though?
?
I'm trying to say that it's still a useful button to have in an accessible spot because, exactly as you said, it is still used to turn it on.
Not even 0.5% of the time you're interacting with the computer would you even think about the power button. Maybe in the first week because "lawl it's on the bottom, Apple so stoopid." Then you'd just get used to poking under the bottom of the computer and it turns on.
IMO this is infinitely better than on the back like the old Mac mini. My mini is behind my headphone amp, and under a monitor so any time I need to hit the power button it's a LONG awkward reach.
That's assuming there's sufficient space. Even then if you look at the picture, you can see that the power button is on the bottom of the back side of the device. This makes it even harder to reach than if it were simply on the back since you'd need to contort your finger on top of a long awkward reach.
Well like a lover you must reach behind and underneath to turn them on!
...I seriously do not like Apples design language that basically requires me to fondle unseeable parts of the computer to find the power button. Too much risk of spiders back there!
Too much risk of spiders back there!
Found the Australian.
I assume there will be a power button on the keyboard or mouse. This is just sort of a backup.
You assume everyone uses Apple keyboards
I don't, but apple does. This is why the touch ID is in the keyboard. To be fair it does come as a unit if you buy the mac new.
I turn off my computer everyday maybe I'm one of those crazy ones. I think they did that so people would be discouraged to turn it off. They want the users to use their new AI feature. My other thinking is marketing if people talk about your product that's probably a good thing.
excellent marketing strategy to get us talking about their stuff that would otherwise get almost completely under our radar.
i mean fuck where the power button of a product ill probably never need is.
This is the epitome of a first-world problem.
exacly. like how is this even news.
As someone who has to use heavy/taped-on little toys to cover the power buttons on my PCs or else my cat invariably opens a shutdown dialog in the middle of something… Thank you.
I don't know how to windows, but in Linux I just disable the power button on my laptop. Long press still works, this was to avoid accidentally putting the laptop to sleep when accidentally pressing the power button
I’ll just stick with covering it up. Without fail, if I leave it uncovered my cat will press it. She’s even held it long enough for a forced shutdown twice that I can think of.
That is hilarious.
I spent a while trying to figure out how a cat could possibly long press a power button, even pressing it at all should be a challenge...
Then I remembered that most people use laptops.
I would be impressed if a cat could hold the power button in for several seconds on my tower, you have to depress the button about a 1/4 inch.
I would be impressed if a cat could hold the power button in for several seconds on my tower, you have to depress the button about a 1/4 inch.
My friends cats do this all the time. Their paws are small enough to be able to push the button down easily.
Don't you have to hold the power button in to force to shut down?
Yes, but even pushing it will bring up a prompt, which is annoying. And also my cat has held it down long enough to force a shutdown on my media server before, as well as on my wife’s PC during Overwatch.
Why can't they put the power button on the front where it belongs. It's already stupid that they put it on the back, putting it on the bottom is downright idiotic. If they don't want to mess up the oh so important Apple aesthetic just make it an invisible touch button or something. Apple hates usability.
Yeah, make the logo a button or something.
For you to put your nasty fingerprints all over it?? I don't think so
Apple, probably
Every person I have ever met that uses an iMac for the first time naturally assumes that the Apple icon is the power button. Fact that it isn't the power button is utterly idiotic
Then people would complain there's no sign of a power button.
Desktop macs (not tower macs) has had the powerbutton on the back for decades, it's fine, bottom is shit though....
Back is already bullshit. We have a few trashcan mac pros at work and usually they’re just turned so all the cables stick out towards the user because then you can easily reach the power button. Which makes it look worse than just having a power button in an accessible place aka the front or the top in the first place.
Yeah, I can see that, I was just trying to say that there Mac followed a standard
Just be thankful they didn’t put the power cord there like they did with the mouse.
Imagine! a computer that you can't use while it's plugged in.
I think they call that Windows.
I'm not going to get a mac anytime soon, but at least it would stop my cat from powering down everything spontaneously
So they created more vertical space on the case, which would be a perfect spot for a power button - or even more ports… and then didn’t use it.
True to form, if I’m honest.
That aside, I love that they’re getting rid of the idiotic 8GB baseline spec.
When Think Different turns into differently stupid.
Stupid Differently. Apple’s new slogan.
Dare to be Stupid?
Apparently there is a button on the keyboard, so you get to buy an Apple keyboard (I guess that is bundled?) and don't get to use your own keyboard with it.
Doesn't look like it, or at least, they've not included one before (you just got a power cord), so it's doubtful they would start including one now. Either that, or they're about to release a power-button/TouchID dongle specifically to use as a separate power switch.
We went full circle.
You can use your own keyboard with it
Sure, but my keyboard doesn’t have a power button.
Oh, I had one of theses keyboards!
Pushing the snooze button insta crashed the PC.
I think the special button on the keyboard is a fingerprint/lock button. Not sure if the computer supports powering on by pressing any key like the MacBooks, but it certainly will wake from sleep with any key. I don’t think you’re supposed to fully power it down as part of regular use, so they can get by with a less accessible power button
Oh an Apple thread. More people angry at something they were never going to buy anyway.
More like laughing at what they were not going to buy anyway.
I'm still laughing at the mouse you can't use while it's charging
True innovation tho. There was no other mouse you couldn't use while charging.
Excuse me. Some of us do buy Apple products. And there's nothing that comes close to the bargain price of the base model, so we laugh at it while buying it too.
I can get an I9 32gb 1Tb mini pc for under 500€.
Where is the bargain?
The mac comes with 256 GB though, and 256 > 1
Which one is it.
I thought it was satire at first, because the magic mouse has a charging port on the bottom making it unusable when charging
Turns out its not 🤡
Yeah, I used one of those and it made no sense. My Logitech MX Master has it on the front and works perfectly with my work Mac. Sometimes obvious design choices should be followed...
if it didn't make us angry, and INFLUENCE OTHER BUSINESSES TO DO THE SAME REPUGNANT SHIT, we'd be buying it.
I guess I'll be the exception as someone who does have a macmini because it is the best priced mini pc that can't be beat, and will likely get the base model for this too for the same reason.
But I still would prefer a power button in the front.
Apple is powered by the copium of their fanbase, so maybe the next model won't even need a power cable.
It'll still NEED a power cable, it just won't COME with one.
YOU won't need one because you'll already HAVE one from the last Mac Mini you bought last year.
Please don't ever turn your computer off, it makes it really hard to spy on you.
Thanks
-Apple
At least it does mean your cat can never turn off your pc ever again with this
Computer so tiny cat knocks it off the desk instead
I just stuck a Belgium post WW2 MP helmet on mine, pretty effective at keeping my power button safe. Just like how judging frok the dent it kept some Belgian from getting their head caved in by a beer bottle.
I had to check if this was an Onion article...
Just put it on its side.
Warranty voided.
Steve Jobs roided
Tried to order pizza but it got Noided
The electrons would flow in the wrong direction.
What is the <--> port for? HTML? I thought that was port 80 or 443...
It's an Ethernet port. For some reason Apple decided <···> is the glyph to use for that.
I hate their refusal to use standardized symbols
They’ve used that exact same symbol since they first added an Ethernet port to their computers in the early 1990’s. It was one of the first mass-market computers with integrated Ethernet. It literally defined the standard when there was no standards body for such a thing.
And yes, we use switches but the lower network layers abstract that away and a LAN is still like a single bus on the network layer and up.
))<···>((
How do I know that's not just a segment of a giant token ring
Html doesn't use any port, that's HTTP
I only program in HTTPS
It's a joke, note the conflation of port (physical connector) and port (one of 65536 virtual TCP/UDP pathways for applications). Also, HTTP(S) (port 80 or 443 by default) is literally "Hypertext Transfer Protocol" so it's fair to say it was designed to carry HTML.
Looking forward to see the 3D prints made to fix this "feature".
A 3d printed dock with a nub underneath, so you just push the whole thing down and it hits the button.
Go on facebook/craigslist etc, go get some free pianos.
Use key / hammer assembly to fit into custom dock.
I’m not really trying to come to Apple’s defense here as they don’t need it, but everyone reacting as though this is as bad as or worse than the mouse charging port seems to be ignoring the fact that most computers nowadays don’t need to be manually turned off or on with any level of frequency. People will push this button like once or twice a month I imagine. I don’t see why that’s the end of the world.
What the hell are you talking about? I push the power button every single day on my PC. I'm aware that wake on LAN is a thing, but your average computer user doesn't utilize that feature. And only a psychopath who doesn't care about their power bill nor the environment would leave their PC running 24/7.
Edit: Thanks for the insight. You were right, I was wrong. My bad.
The power draw of these things when sleeping is negligible. They’re basically off, so there’s no real need to shut them down with any regularity.
I can use my MacBook for a whole day and still have half the battery left. Their power efficiency is genuinely remarkable.
This is correct, but still, fuck apple. What if I just prefer to turn my computer off instead of putting it into sleep mode? And how exactly am I supposed to wake up my computer from sleep if the power button is inaccessible? I know macs can be configured to wake up on keyboard/mouse activity, but that makes them too easy to wake up on accident.
It would be annoying, but to be fair, it's the Mac Mini, which is small and easy to pick up. I would guess you could just tip the corner up to press the button.
I still think it's a dumb design. It's going to confuse everyday users
And how exactly am I supposed to wake up my computer from sleep if the power button is inaccessible?
Poke your finger under the corner and push up. It doesn't take a rocket surgen to figure out how they want you to hit this button. You can tell from their promo images that they designed the base to make the computer sit up enough for this.
I know macs can be configured to wake up on keyboard/mouse activity, but that makes them too easy to wake up on accident.
Why does it matter? It's just gonna go back to sleep in 30 seconds if you don't mess with it.
You know this thing is tiny, right? It’ll be shockingly easy to pick up and press the button. Even with cables hanging out of it.
I use a 2014 mini with all cables hanging out the back, and it’s really easy to pick up.
A key on the keyboard turns it on afaik. You don’t need to press the power button.
You can wake a Mac by clicking the mouse or hitting literally any of the hundred+ buttons on the keyboard.
…also this power button is dumb.
I should have considered that I was posting this comment to Lemmy before posting it.
Maybe you push the dedicated power button on your computer’s case everyday but I’m very confident most users of any computer do not. And in that regard I’m including all computers - wearable, handheld, and laptops. We’re well past the age where most users feel the need to fully shutdown and boot their computers everyday, AND there are plenty of software buttons and even some physical keyboard buttons for shutting down a computer so I mean it when I say that I think most computer case’s power buttons go untouched for definitely days and possibly weeks at a time.
Why need Wake on LAN when basically any USB input device can take your computer out of sleep?
The average user uses sleep mode and wakes from sleep. Sleep mode should be under 10w, or around $1/mo.
Sleep mode on the mini < 0.5W
laughs in home lab
Not that I'd buy it but, if I did, that power button might get used twice a year. Likely less since I wouldn't be able to upgrade or maintenance its hardware.
I think it’s more about design. Apple is a company that has set a high standard for design and premium looking/feeling products. I understand that it still works, but I also think it’s not the best design. It’s just not the expectation Apple has set as a brand. Same goes for the mouse that charges on the bottom.
On one hand, I’m happy that Apple is breaking away from some of their earlier values (e.g. recently allowing for more iOS customization) but I do appreciate how well designed their products tend to be. I hope they don’t get sloppy with future products. So yeah, it’s just a silly power button, but it just seems out of character for their brand.
I… uh… I know it’s going to be an unpopular opinion, but it makes sense. It’s not intended for daily usage - macs wake up on a keyboard or cursor movement. Sitting on the back increases the chance of accidental presses when you are trying to plug something in.
You have a very few specific incidents where you would need to press the power button. 80% of their user base will not use the power button after the first initial press.
Standby pointlessly draws power. I switch off all devices that don't run on battery for that reason. But I'm not exactly Apple's target audience anyway since I also consider the price before buying stuff.
They are doing the Nike mistake - they are targeting users that have already purchased a Mac. Data-driven decisions are great, but this would just result in alienating people who are not already customers, or chase people out who are unhappy with this decision, so their next purchase will not be a Mac.
These machines draw 1 watt in sleep. There's no need to turn them off.
You're probably using more power shutting down your PC every day than if you just put it in sleep. A minute of chugging away booting and loading all your junk at 100 watts vs 1 watt, and no waiting.
Optional $200 dock with satisfyingly clicky lever mechanism that is activated from the front.
This is apple we're talking about. So it'll be $500 and called the iDock and the fans will call it innovation.
This could be a nice little computer if it had good linux support
Asahi linux. AFAIK Linus Tovalds still uses Macs - he has done so at least since the Intel era. I am co nsidering buying one as first a sort of low power gaming console (on MacOs) and eventually as an efficient yet powerfull home server...
Support for M1 and M2 is pretty good now but M3 is not quite there yet and it'll probably be years before everything works nicely on M4, sadly
They wanted to put it inside the unit originally
That's why they put the screen.
Now you can slam the top of the machine to boot it up
I guess you could flip it around and make the bottom the top 🙃
You're thinking of a powerbottom, but that's a totally different concept
Might make the thermal dissipation stop working properly
As long as no vents are blocked, should work fine. Anything with a fan is orientation agnostic.
I thought Apple did away with fans years ago
Well at least now you can actually see the damn black ports on the silver chassis. The M2 Mac Mini has the black ports on the black backside and it's such a pain in the ass trying to find the USB C ports when I have to connect something.
But yeah, putting the power button on the bottom is peak Apple stupidity.
To be fair, aren't those mini PCs meant for HTPCs/home servers? You're not really supposed to turn them off, and if you really want easy power button access you can just set it upside down. I'd say it's a good idea if you take into account that it's aimed at Apple customers who care more about "design" over usability. They truly "think different" over there.
Honestly as infrequently as I turn my machines off this really doesn’t bother me. The mouse on the other hand….
Yeah, fuck that mouse, there's no excuse for that one.
"different" is just another word for "weird"
ThInK DiFfErEnT
It looks like you can push the button without lifting the tiny computer.
That would depend heavily on how accessible the computer is and how fat your fingers are. And I can tell you, mine are pretty fat.
We need dimensions from raised bit to not raised bit dammit
I also at first thought it's not that bad, because it looks like the main part of the computer is "hovering", because it stands on that round portion. But then I saw that the button is on the backside! Why? That way you have to reach around everything, making it impossible to fit the thing into some smaller space and still use it. If it was on the bottom but in the front you would still have your beloved button-less design but the button would still be pretty accessible.
Assuming you mount it on the back of something that would probably be a pretty good place.
I use a lot of mini Linux computers and mount them to the back of monitors. I could see this design being perfect for that except it's way more expensive lol
Wouldn't a flatter form factor be better for rear mounting?
They clearly want you to let this one running 24/7, or, can you turn it on using the keyboard and that low power BT thing?
That would be no problem, unless your electricity is unreliable and you don't have a UPS. I rarely use the power button on any of my PCs or Macs, except the one old PC that can't do S3 sleep anymore (crashes on wake).
Are y'all not using sleep mode? Also the Apple M-cpus are extremely power efficient so leaving it on without sleep mode is a perfectly fine option too.
Power efficient if all your software agrees with it.
I use an M3 at work and it dies in a couple hours during sleep.
s0ix is the same shit show on all three major platforms
At least they didn't put the fucking power port on the bottom.
This is fake right
No, seems to be real.
Yeah, must be The Onion or smth
On the bottom, in the back...
Oh no, I'll have to slightly lift a tiny box on my desk several times a year!
As long as your default mode is sleep it'd be ok. I touch my PCs power button only when it crashes so horribly that a forced shutdown is the only way out...
Unless your computer has issues, can’t you just power off from within macOS?
I really hope this is one of those tactile hit it from the top and it'll trigger from the bottom designs. But more likely they just never expect you to use it.
This is more like a "power button" in that case lol
A power bottom?
Ah too big
Damn, I didn't notice auto correct killed my pun!
OK, you get the point 😀
Here we go again making mountains out of mole hills for Apple.
I am all for calling out Apple for their treatment of workers in ASIA, or their wealth, heck even the closed garden, but this… nah fam I don’t care where the button is.
It's stupid. Do you need any other reason to laugh at it?
Yes.
Well, that's sad.
I would argue getting mad over something so trivial as sad.
The genocide being committed in Palestine is something that makes me mad.
The fact that we are happy for our largest companies to outsource work to poorer countries makes me mad.
The fact that corporations seemingly control the world and don’t pay their fair share makes me mad.
Apple making a MacMini with a button on the bottom is irrelevant to me, in the grand scheme of things it’s not even an issue.
No one is genuinely mad. It's just fun to mock them.
The genocide being committed in Palestine is something that makes me mad.
The fact that we are happy for our largest companies to outsource work to poorer countries makes me mad.
The fact that corporations seemingly control the world and don’t pay their fair share makes me mad.
Fun fact: it's possible to be mad about those things while also thinking a button is stupidly placed.
It's perfectly fine to not care about this at all, but acting like that is just annoying as fuck. Please just abstain.
To each their own I guess, I prefer to just abstain from mockery as I don’t see how it changes anything.
That said I respect your right to write what you want and hope you have a nice rest of your day. 😊
I would absolutely agree if Apple was a person with feelings, but fair enough.
Have a nice day/night
Is it really that stupid though. And is it any worse than flush with the back of the computer so you can never tell if you've hit it until you've really pressed the button or it bongs?
They should have put the button on the top or front like any other company would do.
Unfortunately "punish them by not buying it" won't work for someone as big as them.
Hahaha I thought this was the onion and the button was the big fugly thing that covers the whole bottom
It's a bit of a bummer given the power of the machine it would be otherwise good in IT environments. The small size would allow a rack or stack of them. This one feature design choice makes that not possible. It's on purpose.
How is this newsworthy... smh
For shitty reasons. You have to sniff a lot of your own farts to think putting it there is a good idea. Its like they don't think their crap crashes. I just had to to a net install on two this week in our lab.
Don't worry, there will be suitable USB accessories available for this.
Only $299!
"that's insane!"
gets wallet out
"I can't believe this!"
gets out card
"unbelievable!"
And a $199 stand for it, sold separately.
The generic Chinese version that does the same thing: $12
No, it'll be paired to specifically to your computer and doesn't work on anyone else's computer.
It's going to Bluetooth since the Chinese version does not want to pay for the licensing fees.
Just like a Raspberry Pi needs a dongle for a power button, except the Mini has one already.
Does macOS respond to external keyboard power button presses because if so this could very well be as easy money-making real product
Part of the new Apple power bottom design strategy.
Apple is finally appealing to my interests
Hello.
Yes, and if you complain to much they’ll put the power input on the bottom too next year.
Too late: https://www.theverge.com/2024/10/28/24276043/apple-new-usb-c-magic-mouse-charging-port-bottom
okay, I was gonna say that it’s not that big of a deal because you can just slightly lift it when you want to turn it on (or just slide your finder under it, if they’re small enough) but judging by that photo, it seems like the power button is at the back of the computer? whyyyy??
anyways, im more impressed by the fact that their new shiny mouse who finally uses USB-C still has the charging port at the bottom. im starting to think they think it’s a good design???
I read someone else musing that they must have thought that keeping it plugged in all the time would be bad, so the made it impossible to use the mouse while plugged in. Seems plausible. I suppose it would degrade the battery? Or the cord drag would be bad?
The design forces the user to use it wirelessly. Apple just wants their products to look better, meaning NO CORDS EVER. It's entirely about aesthetic.
They should have just released a mouse pad that can charge the mouse wirelessly then.
If I worked at Apple, I’d hire you right here, right now.
$7.000
im surprised they haven’t done this tbh
Apparently Logitech does have this out now, so I wonder if they patented the "concept" and it will be another 20 years before anyone can do it. Assuming that someone else didn't already do it 20 years ago and that patented already ran out.
Ive seen one at least 10 years ago already. But that didn't exactly charge the mouse, instead the mouse relied on always being on the pad to work.
Their trackpad can and does work via USB so ???
I have one of their trackpads and it works great with Ubuntu over USB but not over Bluetooth for some reason. (It connects, but Ubuntu doesn’t handle it well.)
It’s literally just the same body as the OG Magic Mouse, which had a bay for a pair of AAs underneath. All they did was remove the bay, put a rechargeable battery in there, and a socket to charge it. It takes a couple of minutes to give it 9 hours of juice.
There’s no grand conspiracy.
I've said too much they're coming for me they know they know they know
If that’s the case, then why does the wireless keyboard have the port on the back?
"But it looks bad and could be bad for the battery!"
Every other wireless mouse has it in the front, Apple has no valid reason to leave it at the bottom.
The fact that everyone hasn't taken on this design trend just shows how stupid it is.
They also take on stupid design trends, like removing the headphone jack.
This one is just several degrees more stupid.
On the battery, they should have been able to do whatever they thought best in the battery management system, in that case.
Simple answer is easiest, that they are obsessed with the "clean" minimalist look and want to abolish every visible port and buttin they can.
Surprised though that the mouse didn't do the magsafe thing.
I just think it’s weird that people are complaining about the power button and the mouse charging situation, but no one is complaining that this DESKTOP computer does not have any USB-A ports. If you want to use any wired keyboard or a Logitech mouse with the adapter you’ll need to attach a dongle. Crazy.
I'm not an Apple fanboy, nor have I ever purchased one of their products (and I don't plan to), but I'm actually fine with this because there are lots of USB-C mice and keyboards on the market these days in every price range. At the very most, you might have to buy a different cable because the ones I've bought tend to come with USB-C to USB-A cables instead of C to C. But eventually that will change as USB-A is inevitably phased out.
I actually do buy Apple products and I can accept your logic for a laptop because I use a docking station. The point of the Mac Mini is to be the cheap Mac and adding extra cords or dongles just increases the cost and creates a mess behind the machine.
My MacBook has just two USB-C sockets. When I bought it I picked up a couple of A adapters on Amazon for a few quid each. It’s never been an issue. Even less so with a desktop, as you’re able to leave the adapters in all the time.
Yes but we are bitching about trivial things and the lack of USB-A is far worse than the location of the power button on a desktop. I don’t accept the mouse criticism because it’s not required to buy a Magic Mouse. I have a MacBook but I use a Thunderbolt dock so in my use case the usb-c port increases convenience.
It's a desktop, so you will obviously need an external monitor. Most of the new monitors these days also work as USB hubs - you just run a USB C cable from the computer to the monitor and you get both display and additional ports.
I personally use a dock that has three Thunderbolt downstream ports with my MacBook and run USB-C to DisplayPort cables connect two screens. If you have one monitor then you can ignore 90% of what I’m griping about. I just think it’s interesting what people notice. The old high end Mac Mini had 4 Thunderbolt USB-C and 2 USB-A. All ports including headphones were on the back. I don’t mind a front audio jack but prefer it on the back since I use it for speakers. This machine is still a major upgrade no matter what. Thunderbolt 4 is bandwidth limited if you want 3 hi-dpi screens or two 4K 60, so Thunderbolt 5 is a big deal on the Mini Pro.
My theory is: free publicity. Just like the fashion industry comes up with ridiculous clothes that no one would ever wear, attention whores will constantly do outrageous things so that people will talk about them. The number of electrons spilled over this stupid mouse port placement over the years is uncountable. But the repeated conversations keep Apple in the public consciousness as a fashionista.
I think it’s more just their minimal design combined with the fact that a normal user will never press the power button. Most people don’t shut down their computers, and if they do, a key on the keyboard turns it on.
The only argument I’ve seen to this being bad is in a server rack environment.
Apple doesn't want people using the mouse with the cable attached because it would cost them a fortune due to failed charging ports within the warranty period. It's a wireless mouse. Using it plugged in will fuck it up.
I fix computers and an apple mouse with a bad charge port is just a throwaway.
Wait, WHAT?
They put the powerbutton on the underside?
For fuck sake Apple...
"Our new Mac Mini is so powerful, so extraordinary, you'll never want to turn it off." -- Tim Apple, probably.
Or they got inspired by the Ericsson Cobra telephone.
Lol, Tim Apple. Who was it that said that? Was it Biden?
No... it was tRump.
Oh good, that's better.
It's very bad idea to put power button under the bottom, Who think the designer should need to be fired here
Wouldn't surprise me if it was the same guy who put the charge port on the magic mouse on the bottom.
That at least has a logical excuse if dumb as hell, this has zero reason to be like this
Apple didn't want to muddy their nice design by including functions.
Frankly you're lucky it has any ports
Honestly though, they should have added Qi charging to the magic mouse, as well as magnets to you could easily place it on the back of the iMac and have it charging when you leave the computer....
Guess the Magic Mouse design team was getting bored
After seeing the mouse with ports on the bottom. I'm convinced that there's a disgruntled designer on their team and this is a cry for help.
I wonder how many people will just have the thing upside down?
users will put something under the buuton, so pushing down the whole PC becomes the power button
A base plate that’s got a spring under it, except for a little nub that pokes the power button.
Terrible if you live in earthquake-prone areas.
Wait. Are we describing a bump stock for your computer?
New business idea!
That's genius
design consistent with the Magic Mouse
Apple insider are already framing this as not a design flaw but an advantage somehow
it opens up a whole new surface for things. Soon there will be a dozen USB C ports on the bottom and you'll need to buy special apple right angle cables to access them that they charge $30 per 1m cable.
The have active electronics in them so that if any non-apple right angle connectors are used it limits them to usb 1.0 speeds and 5v 0.5A power delivery. It's for your safety.
That new surface is very risky, and if you don't use the right connector it might catch the whole mini on fire!
Trust us. We're THE design company!
Yeah.. I used to sell Apple gear.
When Apple announced the Mighty mouse 20 years ago, everyone was super excited. There wasn't much info, and we were almost wondering if it was a touch sensitive button on it.
What we got though was a mouse which gave you RSI any time you clicked the right button.
Now, I have a Mac Studio. Every PC has the power button on the top or front. This guy? Nah, lets put it on the back! And the M2 is a professional machine, so lets ship with 8GB ram only.. And MAKE IT SHARED VIDEO MEMORY!
And lets stick an ARM chip with no raytracing on it, because thats what people crave
I can't wait for Apple to reveal a desk, with a keyboard built-in underneath the back side of it.
It would be an electric standig desk as well, battery powered obviously, and you would need to flip the table top 90 degrees up sideways to recharge the battery every other month.
People would sleep outside to get their hands on it ASAP.
That desk would have a hidden monitor as well, like a fucked up pimp my ride car.
24" but 24K pixels.
Glorious 160x150 resolution
So many people referring to using the button to turn the computer off, but more than 95% of the time, you use the OS to turn a computer off. It’s only when there’s a malfunction you would need to turn it off with a hardware button.
This button is primarily for turning the computer on.
Sure but you still need to turn it on though?
?
I'm trying to say that it's still a useful button to have in an accessible spot because, exactly as you said, it is still used to turn it on.
Not even 0.5% of the time you're interacting with the computer would you even think about the power button. Maybe in the first week because "lawl it's on the bottom, Apple so stoopid." Then you'd just get used to poking under the bottom of the computer and it turns on.
IMO this is infinitely better than on the back like the old Mac mini. My mini is behind my headphone amp, and under a monitor so any time I need to hit the power button it's a LONG awkward reach.
That's assuming there's sufficient space. Even then if you look at the picture, you can see that the power button is on the bottom of the back side of the device. This makes it even harder to reach than if it were simply on the back since you'd need to contort your finger on top of a long awkward reach.
Well like a lover you must reach behind and underneath to turn them on!
...I seriously do not like Apples design language that basically requires me to fondle unseeable parts of the computer to find the power button. Too much risk of spiders back there!
Found the Australian.
I assume there will be a power button on the keyboard or mouse. This is just sort of a backup.
You assume everyone uses Apple keyboards
I don't, but apple does. This is why the touch ID is in the keyboard. To be fair it does come as a unit if you buy the mac new.
I turn off my computer everyday maybe I'm one of those crazy ones. I think they did that so people would be discouraged to turn it off. They want the users to use their new AI feature. My other thinking is marketing if people talk about your product that's probably a good thing.
Can't listen in if the computer is turned off!
Introducing the new Apple Power Bottom.
Nice pfp
excellent marketing strategy to get us talking about their stuff that would otherwise get almost completely under our radar.
i mean fuck where the power button of a product ill probably never need is.
This is the epitome of a first-world problem.
exacly. like how is this even news.
As someone who has to use heavy/taped-on little toys to cover the power buttons on my PCs or else my cat invariably opens a shutdown dialog in the middle of something… Thank you.
I don't know how to windows, but in Linux I just disable the power button on my laptop. Long press still works, this was to avoid accidentally putting the laptop to sleep when accidentally pressing the power button
I’ll just stick with covering it up. Without fail, if I leave it uncovered my cat will press it. She’s even held it long enough for a forced shutdown twice that I can think of.
That is hilarious.
I spent a while trying to figure out how a cat could possibly long press a power button, even pressing it at all should be a challenge...
Then I remembered that most people use laptops.
I would be impressed if a cat could hold the power button in for several seconds on my tower, you have to depress the button about a 1/4 inch.
My friends cats do this all the time. Their paws are small enough to be able to push the button down easily.
You can set the power button in Windows to either, do nothing, make the computer sleep, hibernate the computer, shut down, or turn off the display.
Don't you have to hold the power button in to force to shut down?
Yes, but even pushing it will bring up a prompt, which is annoying. And also my cat has held it down long enough to force a shutdown on my media server before, as well as on my wife’s PC during Overwatch.
And you can disable it in the options.
At least in Windows.
Why can't they put the power button on the front where it belongs. It's already stupid that they put it on the back, putting it on the bottom is downright idiotic. If they don't want to mess up the oh so important Apple aesthetic just make it an invisible touch button or something. Apple hates usability.
Yeah, make the logo a button or something.
For you to put your nasty fingerprints all over it?? I don't think so
Every person I have ever met that uses an iMac for the first time naturally assumes that the Apple icon is the power button. Fact that it isn't the power button is utterly idiotic
Then people would complain there's no sign of a power button.
Desktop macs (not tower macs) has had the powerbutton on the back for decades, it's fine, bottom is shit though....
Back is already bullshit. We have a few trashcan mac pros at work and usually they’re just turned so all the cables stick out towards the user because then you can easily reach the power button. Which makes it look worse than just having a power button in an accessible place aka the front or the top in the first place.
Yeah, I can see that, I was just trying to say that there Mac followed a standard
Just be thankful they didn’t put the power cord there like they did with the mouse.
Imagine! a computer that you can't use while it's plugged in.
I think they call that Windows.
I'm not going to get a mac anytime soon, but at least it would stop my cat from powering down everything spontaneously
So they created more vertical space on the case, which would be a perfect spot for a power button - or even more ports… and then didn’t use it.
True to form, if I’m honest.
That aside, I love that they’re getting rid of the idiotic 8GB baseline spec.
When Think Different turns into differently stupid.
Stupid Differently. Apple’s new slogan.
Dare to be Stupid?
Apparently there is a button on the keyboard, so you get to buy an Apple keyboard (I guess that is bundled?) and don't get to use your own keyboard with it.
Doesn't look like it, or at least, they've not included one before (you just got a power cord), so it's doubtful they would start including one now. Either that, or they're about to release a power-button/TouchID dongle specifically to use as a separate power switch.
We went full circle.
You can use your own keyboard with it
Sure, but my keyboard doesn’t have a power button.
Oh, I had one of theses keyboards!
Pushing the snooze button insta crashed the PC.
I think the special button on the keyboard is a fingerprint/lock button. Not sure if the computer supports powering on by pressing any key like the MacBooks, but it certainly will wake from sleep with any key. I don’t think you’re supposed to fully power it down as part of regular use, so they can get by with a less accessible power button
Like a Windows key?
Oh an Apple thread. More people angry at something they were never going to buy anyway.
More like laughing at what they were not going to buy anyway.
I'm still laughing at the mouse you can't use while it's charging
True innovation tho. There was no other mouse you couldn't use while charging.
Excuse me. Some of us do buy Apple products. And there's nothing that comes close to the bargain price of the base model, so we laugh at it while buying it too.
I can get an I9 32gb 1Tb mini pc for under 500€. Where is the bargain?
The mac comes with 256 GB though, and 256 > 1
Which one is it.
I thought it was satire at first, because the magic mouse has a charging port on the bottom making it unusable when charging
Turns out its not 🤡
Yeah, I used one of those and it made no sense. My Logitech MX Master has it on the front and works perfectly with my work Mac. Sometimes obvious design choices should be followed...
if it didn't make us angry, and INFLUENCE OTHER BUSINESSES TO DO THE SAME REPUGNANT SHIT, we'd be buying it.
I guess I'll be the exception as someone who does have a macmini because it is the best priced mini pc that can't be beat, and will likely get the base model for this too for the same reason.
But I still would prefer a power button in the front.
Apple is powered by the copium of their fanbase, so maybe the next model won't even need a power cable.
It'll still NEED a power cable, it just won't COME with one.
YOU won't need one because you'll already HAVE one from the last Mac Mini you bought last year.
Please don't ever turn your computer off, it makes it really hard to spy on you. Thanks -Apple
At least it does mean your cat can never turn off your pc ever again with this
Computer so tiny cat knocks it off the desk instead
I just stuck a Belgium post WW2 MP helmet on mine, pretty effective at keeping my power button safe. Just like how judging frok the dent it kept some Belgian from getting their head caved in by a beer bottle.
I had to check if this was an Onion article...
Just put it on its side.
Warranty voided.
Steve Jobs roided
Tried to order pizza but it got Noided
The electrons would flow in the wrong direction.
What is the
<-->port for? HTML? I thought that was port 80 or 443...It's an Ethernet port. For some reason Apple decided
<···>is the glyph to use for that.I hate their refusal to use standardized symbols
They’ve used that exact same symbol since they first added an Ethernet port to their computers in the early 1990’s. It was one of the first mass-market computers with integrated Ethernet. It literally defined the standard when there was no standards body for such a thing.
The port that put the “i” in the original iMac
https://i.redd.it/i-quadra-700-v0-j91ogbvkpsqa1.jpg?width=3969&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d2f7117f8dc196aefd6d504c711058f9d6e5594
They've used the same symbol since before we standardized on the RJ45 connector, or 10baseT. Back when ethernet was the wild west.
God I miss these abortions. The OG dongles.
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kvc2-iElmyi9GVdJ4GREXr8VjtNXe-4mMIvuc1i84cwn_7NI4Us152x52palUI1XvnRGARWlMHeOQLqXtaHAteQ_4EojHoojuFZvvcM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dc/Apple_AAUI_transceiver_and_cable.jpg/1200px-Apple_AAUI_transceiver_and_cable.jpg
Back when men were men, and ethernet cables were an inch thick and needed heavy equipment to use.
Do you mean abominations? lol.
No, we miss abortions in this neighborhood, brother.
Is there a standardized symbol for Ethernet? The only one on the Wikipedia page for Ethernet is Apple's.
https://openclipart.org/image/2400px/svg_to_png/137839/ethernet-connector.png
Is the one I've always seen for ages.
Is it standardized?
And honestly, it depicts a modern Ethernet network worse than the Apple icon does
Literally ISO
https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iec:grs:60417:5988
And yes, we use switches but the lower network layers abstract that away and a LAN is still like a single bus on the network layer and up.
))<···>((
How do I know that's not just a segment of a giant token ring
Html doesn't use any port, that's HTTP
I only program in HTTPS
It's a joke, note the conflation of port (physical connector) and port (one of 65536 virtual TCP/UDP pathways for applications). Also, HTTP(S) (port 80 or 443 by default) is literally "Hypertext Transfer Protocol" so it's fair to say it was designed to carry HTML.
Looking forward to see the 3D prints made to fix this "feature".
A 3d printed dock with a nub underneath, so you just push the whole thing down and it hits the button.
Go on facebook/craigslist etc, go get some free pianos.
Use key / hammer assembly to fit into custom dock.
Sell on etsy
Profit?!
Just run it upside down.
Or 3D print a stand to keep it sideways.
Or not buy it
I’m not really trying to come to Apple’s defense here as they don’t need it, but everyone reacting as though this is as bad as or worse than the mouse charging port seems to be ignoring the fact that most computers nowadays don’t need to be manually turned off or on with any level of frequency. People will push this button like once or twice a month I imagine. I don’t see why that’s the end of the world.
What the hell are you talking about? I push the power button every single day on my PC. I'm aware that wake on LAN is a thing, but your average computer user doesn't utilize that feature. And only a psychopath who doesn't care about their power bill nor the environment would leave their PC running 24/7.Edit: Thanks for the insight. You were right, I was wrong. My bad.
The power draw of these things when sleeping is negligible. They’re basically off, so there’s no real need to shut them down with any regularity.
I can use my MacBook for a whole day and still have half the battery left. Their power efficiency is genuinely remarkable.
This is correct, but still, fuck apple. What if I just prefer to turn my computer off instead of putting it into sleep mode? And how exactly am I supposed to wake up my computer from sleep if the power button is inaccessible? I know macs can be configured to wake up on keyboard/mouse activity, but that makes them too easy to wake up on accident.
It would be annoying, but to be fair, it's the Mac Mini, which is small and easy to pick up. I would guess you could just tip the corner up to press the button.
I still think it's a dumb design. It's going to confuse everyday users
Poke your finger under the corner and push up. It doesn't take a rocket surgen to figure out how they want you to hit this button. You can tell from their promo images that they designed the base to make the computer sit up enough for this.
Why does it matter? It's just gonna go back to sleep in 30 seconds if you don't mess with it.
You know this thing is tiny, right? It’ll be shockingly easy to pick up and press the button. Even with cables hanging out of it.
I use a 2014 mini with all cables hanging out the back, and it’s really easy to pick up.
A key on the keyboard turns it on afaik. You don’t need to press the power button.
Thats the thing i have never turned off a mac in my entire life… always sleep and wake
You can wake a Mac by clicking the mouse or hitting literally any of the hundred+ buttons on the keyboard.
…also this power button is dumb.
I should have considered that I was posting this comment to Lemmy before posting it.
Maybe you push the dedicated power button on your computer’s case everyday but I’m very confident most users of any computer do not. And in that regard I’m including all computers - wearable, handheld, and laptops. We’re well past the age where most users feel the need to fully shutdown and boot their computers everyday, AND there are plenty of software buttons and even some physical keyboard buttons for shutting down a computer so I mean it when I say that I think most computer case’s power buttons go untouched for definitely days and possibly weeks at a time.
Why need Wake on LAN when basically any USB input device can take your computer out of sleep?
The average user uses sleep mode and wakes from sleep. Sleep mode should be under 10w, or around $1/mo.
Sleep mode on the mini < 0.5W
laughs in home lab
Not that I'd buy it but, if I did, that power button might get used twice a year. Likely less since I wouldn't be able to upgrade or maintenance its hardware.
I think it’s more about design. Apple is a company that has set a high standard for design and premium looking/feeling products. I understand that it still works, but I also think it’s not the best design. It’s just not the expectation Apple has set as a brand. Same goes for the mouse that charges on the bottom.
On one hand, I’m happy that Apple is breaking away from some of their earlier values (e.g. recently allowing for more iOS customization) but I do appreciate how well designed their products tend to be. I hope they don’t get sloppy with future products. So yeah, it’s just a silly power button, but it just seems out of character for their brand.
I… uh… I know it’s going to be an unpopular opinion, but it makes sense. It’s not intended for daily usage - macs wake up on a keyboard or cursor movement. Sitting on the back increases the chance of accidental presses when you are trying to plug something in.
You have a very few specific incidents where you would need to press the power button. 80% of their user base will not use the power button after the first initial press.
Standby pointlessly draws power. I switch off all devices that don't run on battery for that reason. But I'm not exactly Apple's target audience anyway since I also consider the price before buying stuff.
They are doing the Nike mistake - they are targeting users that have already purchased a Mac. Data-driven decisions are great, but this would just result in alienating people who are not already customers, or chase people out who are unhappy with this decision, so their next purchase will not be a Mac.
These machines draw 1 watt in sleep. There's no need to turn them off.
You're probably using more power shutting down your PC every day than if you just put it in sleep. A minute of chugging away booting and loading all your junk at 100 watts vs 1 watt, and no waiting.
Optional $200 dock with satisfyingly clicky lever mechanism that is activated from the front.
This is apple we're talking about. So it'll be $500 and called the iDock and the fans will call it innovation.
This could be a nice little computer if it had good linux support
Asahi linux. AFAIK Linus Tovalds still uses Macs - he has done so at least since the Intel era. I am co nsidering buying one as first a sort of low power gaming console (on MacOs) and eventually as an efficient yet powerfull home server...
Support for M1 and M2 is pretty good now but M3 is not quite there yet and it'll probably be years before everything works nicely on M4, sadly
They wanted to put it inside the unit originally
That's why they put the screen.
Now you can slam the top of the machine to boot it up
I guess you could flip it around and make the bottom the top 🙃
You're thinking of a powerbottom, but that's a totally different concept
Might make the thermal dissipation stop working properly
As long as no vents are blocked, should work fine. Anything with a fan is orientation agnostic.
I thought Apple did away with fans years ago
Well at least now you can actually see the damn black ports on the silver chassis. The M2 Mac Mini has the black ports on the black backside and it's such a pain in the ass trying to find the USB C ports when I have to connect something.
But yeah, putting the power button on the bottom is peak Apple stupidity.
To be fair, aren't those mini PCs meant for HTPCs/home servers? You're not really supposed to turn them off, and if you really want easy power button access you can just set it upside down. I'd say it's a good idea if you take into account that it's aimed at Apple customers who care more about "design" over usability. They truly "think different" over there.
Honestly as infrequently as I turn my machines off this really doesn’t bother me. The mouse on the other hand….
Yeah, fuck that mouse, there's no excuse for that one.
"different" is just another word for "weird"
ThInK DiFfErEnT
It looks like you can push the button without lifting the tiny computer.
That would depend heavily on how accessible the computer is and how fat your fingers are. And I can tell you, mine are pretty fat.
We need dimensions from raised bit to not raised bit dammit
I also at first thought it's not that bad, because it looks like the main part of the computer is "hovering", because it stands on that round portion. But then I saw that the button is on the backside! Why? That way you have to reach around everything, making it impossible to fit the thing into some smaller space and still use it. If it was on the bottom but in the front you would still have your beloved button-less design but the button would still be pretty accessible.
Assuming you mount it on the back of something that would probably be a pretty good place.
I use a lot of mini Linux computers and mount them to the back of monitors. I could see this design being perfect for that except it's way more expensive lol
Wouldn't a flatter form factor be better for rear mounting?
They clearly want you to let this one running 24/7, or, can you turn it on using the keyboard and that low power BT thing?
That would be no problem, unless your electricity is unreliable and you don't have a UPS. I rarely use the power button on any of my PCs or Macs, except the one old PC that can't do S3 sleep anymore (crashes on wake).
Are y'all not using sleep mode? Also the Apple M-cpus are extremely power efficient so leaving it on without sleep mode is a perfectly fine option too.
Power efficient if all your software agrees with it. I use an M3 at work and it dies in a couple hours during sleep.
s0ix is the same shit show on all three major platforms
At least they didn't put the fucking power port on the bottom.
This is fake right
No, seems to be real.
Yeah, must be The Onion or smth
On the bottom, in the back...
Oh no, I'll have to slightly lift a tiny box on my desk several times a year!
As long as your default mode is sleep it'd be ok. I touch my PCs power button only when it crashes so horribly that a forced shutdown is the only way out...
Unless your computer has issues, can’t you just power off from within macOS?
And then how do you turn it back on?
I really hope this is one of those tactile hit it from the top and it'll trigger from the bottom designs. But more likely they just never expect you to use it.
This is more like a "power button" in that case lol
A power bottom?
Ah too big
Damn, I didn't notice auto correct killed my pun! OK, you get the point 😀
Here we go again making mountains out of mole hills for Apple.
I am all for calling out Apple for their treatment of workers in ASIA, or their wealth, heck even the closed garden, but this… nah fam I don’t care where the button is.
It's stupid. Do you need any other reason to laugh at it?
Yes.
Well, that's sad.
I would argue getting mad over something so trivial as sad.
The genocide being committed in Palestine is something that makes me mad.
The fact that we are happy for our largest companies to outsource work to poorer countries makes me mad.
The fact that corporations seemingly control the world and don’t pay their fair share makes me mad.
Apple making a MacMini with a button on the bottom is irrelevant to me, in the grand scheme of things it’s not even an issue.
No one is genuinely mad. It's just fun to mock them.
Fun fact: it's possible to be mad about those things while also thinking a button is stupidly placed. It's perfectly fine to not care about this at all, but acting like that is just annoying as fuck. Please just abstain.
To each their own I guess, I prefer to just abstain from mockery as I don’t see how it changes anything.
That said I respect your right to write what you want and hope you have a nice rest of your day. 😊
I would absolutely agree if Apple was a person with feelings, but fair enough.
Have a nice day/night
Is it really that stupid though. And is it any worse than flush with the back of the computer so you can never tell if you've hit it until you've really pressed the button or it bongs?
They should have put the button on the top or front like any other company would do.
Unfortunately "punish them by not buying it" won't work for someone as big as them.
Hahaha I thought this was the onion and the button was the big fugly thing that covers the whole bottom
It's a bit of a bummer given the power of the machine it would be otherwise good in IT environments. The small size would allow a rack or stack of them. This one
featuredesign choice makes that not possible. It's on purpose.How is this newsworthy... smh
For shitty reasons. You have to sniff a lot of your own farts to think putting it there is a good idea. Its like they don't think their crap crashes. I just had to to a net install on two this week in our lab.