Why would you try to sneak a gun into any medical test area? Even if you didn't know an mri will fuck with a gun, what is the motivation to try to sneak a gun into a medical test room?
A liberal might make her gay when she least expects it!
Holy shit I had a conversation the other day with a dude who said, "democrats just want to touch children and change their genitalia"
He went off about how democrats want to change pedophile name and be more accepting. I told him people don't say that. Only pedophiles do. He went off about how democrats are pedophiles.
He went off about how schools, doctors, and liberal agenda is allowing the mutilation of children's genitalia.
Taking something he says is fact and blowing into the massive majority of all Democrat fundamentals.
ask him what he thinks of circumcion without consent at young age and I bet he will defend that without hesitation
In that situation, the best thing to do is agree with them and then start telling them about how voting is a way for the goverment to track you and/or .. plant .. fucking alien brocolli seeds in your brain or something, so never ever vote
Tell him there are more convicted Christian & Republican paedophiles than Democrats.
He'd challenge it and probably call it propoganda.
Sounds like you met one of my coworkers.
BTW, the justification for using different names for pedophiles - like minor attracted person - isn't to normalize child abuse.
Rather its to get people to seek and accepted help.
The real goal for us should be protecting kids. Not punishing people with dirty thoughts.
I think that's a good cause, but isn't the definition of a pedophile meaning one who likes young aged people? Minor attracted person is the same thing with extra steps. Same stigma, same thoughts, same people.
Get the help but unfortunately it may be one of the things that shouldn't be vocalized in a normal setting as most people are too narrow minded to help.
Removing stigma helps us talk about the issue. That's why MAP phrasing is promoted by those more concerned with child protection than virtue signalling.
These kinds of conversations are why I quit my last job. I couldn't take it anymore.
I'd get whole tirades like that and just be like...
"Ok...uh...sure...so...welcome to the library, did you want to print something or...?"
Some times it’s difficult to tell if a person like that is serious or just seriously trolling you. However, I have met people who say some of the wildest things about wikipedia, vaccines, police, governments etc. and they seemed very serious to me.
it's literally doublethink (literally 1984!!!!) as it's both. They seriously adopt a facetious position to troll and believe it wholeheartedly should be policy and law.
Yes, it doesn't make any sense. That's deliberate too.
He's been a friend for a while. It's his actual thoughts. He's stuck in the feedback loop.
Cowardice. People that think they need a gun on them at all times are paranoid cowards... Which also makes them the last people who should be able to own a gun.
People shouldn't have guns. Simple as that.
Who the hell decided allowing every civilian a fully functional firearm is a good idea
Gun Manufacturers
People who were aware of Protestants being murdered by the King of England. People who were aware of the Salem Witch Trials. People who have seen over and over again the natural tendency of power to collect in fewer and fewer hands until there's a revolution and a bunch of bloodshed.
People who understood that power is best kept distributed. People who understood that small groups of citizens needed to have some real kind of threat against tyrannical government actors.
That doesn't mean you need to allow every psychopath have a gun, especially the ones who talk about murdering their peers or are known to torture and kill animals.
I believe well regulated militias are still relevant to this day.
Does it really work in US?
Do Americans actually enjoy healthy democracy? Do they have a say against tyrannical policies, police violence?
the sound of crickets intensifies
Look fella, if you drink too much coolaid you'll get diabetes.
People who need guns in order to feel safe live in a shithole.
This is such a weird take, but I hear it a lot. Many of the people I work with carry and very few of them are like that.
I think there are cultural differences, though. City people are more likely to be that way, but for the more rural or country guys it's the same as me carrying a knife all the time. It's just something that's done.
Not so weird... A Knife I can understand. There are a number of uses for a knife beyond being an offensive or defensive weapon. I'm not a knife person, personally, but even I have a few to cut food, or open sealed boxes. I've seen knives used to cut bindings and they can even be used to craft art (whittling being an art form where the knife is the primary tool of choice)!
A gun? Outside of a legit, active warzone?
A gun either says you're hunting, or your scared. That's it! I have all the respect for a hunter going into the forests to hunt game animals. I do love myself a burger and a steak... but in a public setting? What're you hunting? What utility is a gun in a public Walmart?
I understand it seems that way to you, but it doesn't to them. It's just kind of normal.
A coworker had a deer run in front of his truck Monday morning and it didn't die from the impact, so he shot it.
Routinely carrying a concealed handgun can create considerable difficulties when a person unexpectedly ends up somewhere they can't do so. Leaving it in a car is a significant risk for theft (and stolen guns get used for bad things). Leaving it with medical staff isn't great. Leaving it unattended outside an exam room presents obvious dangers to anyone who might happen upon it.
It's hard to find yourself in an MRI room without adequate warning that anything magnetic will become a projectile though. I think most places give the patient both written and verbal warnings, and the article here says this patient was warned about metal and specifically about guns.
They literally give you a locker when you go in for an MRI because you have to spend so long naked. This was never a problem for her. She's just stupid.
Facilities vary. I didnt have secure storage when I got an MRI, but I didnt bring a gun or anything else unreasonable to leave unattended.
The question wasn't whether she's stupid (clearly she is), but why someone would bring a gun into a medical exam.
Interesting, I don’t remember a locker either, but it was just my phone and keys, because I’m not an idiot
"Freedom".
But the MRI confiscated my gunz! What part of, "shall not be infringed" does it not understand?!
amurica at it's finest
Yeah, we're not proud. (Those of us that are reasonable.)
Freedumb!
To own the libs, duh
Own the libs, shoot your own butt!
Own the libs
Personally I'm always very offended when someone wounds themselves in a profoundly stupid and preventable manner. I truly hope they don't do it again, that would be terrible. 😉
Is this different in the states? In Germany every time I had to enter one of those I had to put away every single metallic item on me, including piercings and shit. They warn you very thoroughly that you cannot bring metal objects with you because of the high magnetic forces of the machine.
They don't do that in the States. Well, at least half of them.
That's just not true. They absolutely do tell you not to take anything metal with you. So this woman clearly ignored those warnings.
You can't tell me that in the land of lawsuits doctors wouldn't tell you not to take metal objects into an MRI
"Ah don't have no metal! Ah jurst got mah phone, mah coins, mah keys and mah gurn!"
This statement is categorically false. I have had quite a few MRIs over several decades (knee bullshit), and every single time I have gone in, the staff is crystal clear about the fact that you do not bring in anything metallic, full stop, no exceptions, because it can potentially kill you if it gets pulled forcefully in the wrong direction.
Anyone working at an MRI facility who ignores the rules around magnetic objects is going to definitely destroy equipment and perhaps maim or kill people, and is thus a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Ive only done it once, but I also thought they could have stressed this way more, and probably ought to be graphic about the results, to catch these dumb fucks. However, they also waved a metal detector over me. Shouldn’t that catch things like guns? Is this common practice, or do I just look like an idiot?
You can’t. My guess is, it was a party or off the clock silliness.
You can’t even wear your own clothes in those machines. Hospital gowns couldn’t handle the weight of even the smallest handgun.
The details are purposely scant because it had to be reported but they didn’t want to share what really happened.
Had an MRI a couple of weeks ago. Wore my own clothes. Tech did say I should lower my trousers to my knees when I pointed out that there was a fly zip, but didn’t seem too bothered.
Zips are brass alloy and non-magnetic
I’d never considered what they were made of. Live and learn.
I've done MRI 3 times. Wore my own clothes all three times.
I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn't make me take off my clothes, they just triple checked I had nothing metal on me or inside me by asking me several times.
There don't need to be additional details. She snuck a gun into the MRI room and found out why you shouldn't do that.
If only there'd been a another, good MRI machine with a gun present.
I read this story as the MRI machine being the good guy and successfully defending itself
Firearms should be standard issue for all MRI machines to stop this from happening in the future.
The problem wasn't that she had a gun, the problem was her non-specific mental illness.
I can see the thinking that lead to this. But in my mind, it boils down to one bad decision after other, concealing the firearm because each step forward carries worse consequences. It's basically the clown-makeup meme:
Carry gun around because that's what I always do.
Walk into hospital - whoops, I'll just keep it concealed so I don't get in trouble. Can't hand it over to someone either, or leave it in my car; that's a felony.
Check in for appointment - can't back out now, it took forever to get this appointment and there's a penalty for a no-show.
Change clothes for MRI - can't leave my gun lying around, that's also a no-no and someone could get hurt. I'll just tuck it... somewhere.
Walk into MRI exam room - had to say "no" about metal on my person. These medical people are overly careful anyways.
Actively getting an MRI - what's the worst that could happen?
Do we need airport-style backscatter x-rays prior to MRI procedures now? In hindsight, it seems like cheap insurance.
Every MRI I've had they provide a locker for your clothes/belongings. That should've been where this idiot's decision-tree stopped.
Thank you for the hypothetical explanation. I was utterly unable to figure out how something so insane actually happened. This at least makes some sort of sense.
Just like religion, it starts with an insane belief and snowballs from there.
You'd think a metal detector would be mandatory in all MRI departments before you enter?
It looks like it is on all new or renovated MRIs, which makes this all the more concerning.
imo you could leave the bullets with the clothes and throw the gun in the toilet or something.
It's bizarre to me that a basic scan with a metal detector wand isn't required before walking into the MRI chamber.
I hope the machine is fine
The machine costs as much as she'll make in 10 years.
A bit of trivia: it used to be called NMRI, nuclear magnetic resonance imaging. They dropped the N after it became clear people didn't want to go in the machine because they were afraid of radiation. That's why it's called MRI now.
In Chemistry (where it originated) it is still called NMR. There is no image produced, but a spectrum (graph).
If chemists were worried about nuclear magnetic resonance because of potential radiation, I'd be more worried about those chemists!
Chemists and microbiologists are worried about obscure little things you and I haven’t even heads of. But, oh boy are those things nasty. You know, nightmare stuff like acid that slips through your skin and eats your bones or breathing a single spore that is enough to kill you. Such delightful people to have lunch with.
Can confirm, I regularly rant about HF to unsuspecting non-chemists.
And see this is the kind of reason I'm nervous about actual space travel and think "hard sci-fi" is a lot less fun sometimes.
Fun fact, bringing nmr stuff across borders is very difficult once border security realises N stands for nuclear.
Funny tangential story here.
I used to design electronics. One product is a black box with just a couple of LED lights on the front and an LED display. It also gets inserted into a special socket, from which it gets it's power. So no power cord and it can only be powered on if we have the much larger thing it gets plugged into. Of course, I needed to power it on to demonstrate it to customers, so I took apart one of the sockets that it goes into, and ran a power cord off of it so I could plug it into the wall (it runs off of ~120 VAC).
I figured to make my life easier, so I didn't have to constantly plug and unplug it, I would put a switch on it. So I just glued a red switch on the side and wired it all up.
Then I went through airport security with it. Ended up being pulled aside for about an hour as they questioned me about it and scanned the thing damn near 20 times. It was like every TSA agent in the area was watching the scans as it went through. I was talking to the head TSA guy who said "Man, I know you're fine. However, this is precisely one of the things we are told to look out for: homemade devices with switches on them. Did you have to make it red?" lol
He eventually got some higher up on the phone and it was clear from the one-side of the conversation I heard that the higher up was like "if you think the guy is fine, let him through" and so I was let through. Barely made my flight tho. Glad we got there really early.
Wow what a story. That would be NERVE WRACKING.
I'm glad to hear stories about those kinds of law enforcement folks though.
"Look I'm just trying to make sure everybody's safe, I don't think I'm Jack Bauer here."
Rather than the comical assumption usually perpetrated by Hollywood that you'd be thrown down and have a K9 chewing on your leg and half the airport aiming at you with alarms going off Lol.
Mainly I was nervous that I might miss my flight. The only moment I got a little scared was when the lady first pulled it out, said something like "What is this?" and I went to reach for it to show her. . .and she was like "You can't touch that!" It was at that point I realized I was going to be delayed getting through security. But for the most part everyone was very nice and unconcerned. It was even comical at times, like when they kept running it through the machine, each time bringing someone else over to look as well.
I was much more nervous when, doing the same type of sales, I got pulled away into customs in Canada, separated from my co-worker, him carrying all of the information, with no cell phone because my phone didn't work up there. At least that time we were smart enough to send the equipment ahead of us. lol
Ah, the same kind of people who are worried about phone radiation while spending days roasting on the beach every summer.
That and NMRI is a pain to say
NMRI always sounds like a tax form your going to have to deal with.
Nmri sounds like a new antidepressant
"Do not take if you are pregnant, planning to become pregnant, or you are allergic to NMRI's"
As she was about to enter the machine, the gun was attracted to the powerful magnet inside it and fired off a single round into and through her right buttock. Luckily, the bullet barely penetrated her skin and the doctor on site described her entry and exit wounds as “very small and superficial.”
There is no way the MRI wasn't damaged. Other hospital go'ers will be footing that bill. She should be garneshed wages for the rest of her life until those repairs are paid.
"Lucky" would be the bullet being lodged in her body, doing no further damage except to her idiot self so she would learn her lesson without impacting others.
This person took a loaded gun into a hospital, and then into the giant magnet room. Not sure they're capable of learning any kind of lesson.
Your comment started quite the debate here. Everyone needs to slow down and realize there's insurance on the machine and the insurance even covers morons with guns. Might the insurance company go after her? Sure, they'd probably sue her homeowner's insurance, because when in doubt that seems to be what happens. They'd never go after the individual for this, unless it was maybe intentional.
Hospital goers will foot the bill regardless, because that's what we do here in the good old US of A.
The end of your comment is where I was focusing before. Insurance is a for-profit business. Rates most certainly go up for the hospital, which gets transferred to other patients. Reference: worked with hospitals, medical devices, and insurance.
If the bullet exited through the opening in the machine then it may not have struck it at all. Typically a waist holstered gun will have it's barrel pointing down, in the general direction of the carrier's feet, which happens to be towards the opening of the MRI. I think it's entirely plausible the machine wasn't damaged.
Of course that means the bullet would have gone sailing into the opposite wall, which is extremely dangerous. Depending on the wall and caliber it easily could have penetrated the wall and injured/killed someone on the other side.
They'd probably still need to turn the machine off because of the incident. That will already cost a lot of money.
Oh this is a take I hadn't considered. If this is the case, everyone would be lucky indeed.
Having her money taken for the rest of her life is not a good response. Ofcourse she's a fucking dumbass, but having her life destroyed because of that one moment is not adequate.
The problem of healthcare in the USA is way more severe than a destroyed MRI machine.
"Garnished" means to take an amount small enough not to diminish her means of survival. She just wouldn't have her luxuries.
Even in single payer systems, dumbasses should be fined for damages.
FWIW, in the US, seems like you're 'guaranteed' that you'll keep 30 hours worth of minimum wage per week. the minimum wage is abysmal, so ~870 a month, which isn't really enough to survive on in many places. I suspect it would be terribly difficult to pay rent, gas/electric, buy food, pay for public transport and/or gas.
I think this person was dumb. I think they fucked up badly. I think garnishment could make sense if the terms were more reasonable. But I think the current terms could absolutely be detrimental to ones survival.
Title III also protects individuals by limiting the amount of earnings that may be garnished in any workweek or pay period to the lesser of 25 percent of disposable earnings or the amount by which disposable earnings are greater than 30 times the Federal minimum hourly wage prescribed by Section 6(a) (1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938. This limit applies regardless of how many garnishment orders an employer receives. The Federal minimum wage is $7.25 per hour.
Source
I agree with you. I feel like there is too often a “throw the book at them!” reaction to every wrong or mistake, maybe especially in the US. Which explains the hyper punitive justice system and the highest prison population in the world.
Where in the article does it say her life is destroyed?
where in that comment does it say anything about the article?
Well since this is a thread about the article, one would assume you'd be on-topic.
Also you have 0 evidence that her life is destroyed. An MRI isn't very expensive if you're insured, and she's almost certainly insured, because she, ya know, got a fucking MRI.
So what exactly was the point there?
They're responding to a comment dude, click the context button.
I read the chain, and it's 2 comments long, and that one person randomly brought up healthcare systems as a total non-sequitor.
The original comment is about her damaging the machine. It stands to reason this person thought she was on the hook for the damages, which is never discussed in the article, nor is damage confirmed.
She should be garneshed
"Should" being the operative word here. The top level comment using should "in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency."
The next poster says that this is "not a good response" because it would destroy her life.
They are disagreeing over what should happen, not what is happening.
Right but then also this
The problem of healthcare in the USA is way more severe than a destroyed MRI machine.
I'm just not sure how people aren't getting why someone might be confused by this entire exchange
I agree that part was a non-sequitur. I even thought so myself when I first passed over it.
But the other part of the exchange is not confusing at all and there's zero indication that anyone thought she is actually on the hook for any damages. I'm more-so confused how you could not pick up the meaning even after a re-read.
Dude until your above comment I was confused as fuck.
Maybe I need more coffee.
lol It happens. To your credit, most people wouldn't admit it.
MRI machines cost between $150,000 to $3,000,000. To me, specifically, that's prohibitively expensive. I assume given the circumstances she's in a significant amount of trouble, with a lethal weapon being grossly mishandled to the point of putting others lives at risk. But, to your credit, that assumption was not clearly attributed in the original post. I think the important thing here is not the disagreements we have in the comments, but the up votes we get along the way.
See this comment makes vastly more sense to me.
Maybe next time dont lie to medical staff.
To quote Gregory House, everybody lies.
"IDK how this gun ended up inside my butthole. I must have fallen on it."
Wait wait wait! The gun was on her person, or the gun was in her rectum?
Idk, I didn't read the article.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh no! Is the MRI machine okay? The article doesn't say anything about it.
Lucky it wasn't worse. You can't have any metal on in a huge rotating magnet. Dumb is gonna dumb.
Oh no. A CT scanner is a giant rotating electromagnet. An MRI is a giant quantum electromagnetic tube. It’s so, so much worse. It is literally unpredictable as to what might happen with metal inside of it. She’s lucky she wasn’t literally torn to shreds.
A CT scanner is a rotating X-ray device. No rotating magnets here!
Ah thanks for the clarification! And you are right about torn to shreds. I recommend people go watch those videos that show what happens with metal in MRI machines.
We're lucky she didn't merge with the gun into a super soldier!
I thought the "M" was for "Magic". Silly me.
Magic Ring Imaging
My proctologist said my Magic Ring could benefit from more fiber.
sfp+ or sfp28?
They had it set to “M” for magnetic when they should’ve had it set to “W” for wumbo.
The M could have really been for Murder! (Well, probably more like Manslaughter, but close enough.)
With the cost and risks of MRI machines, why aren't there metal detectors at the entrance?
Eek wait until they reverse this.
"If you can survive the MRI machine, you can get on the plane." Lol
Weird that they didn't have her change into a gown first. Or maybe they did, in which case where did she put-- you know what never mind that's enough internet for today
She DID get shot in the butt. It just isn't mentioned whether it's an entry or exit wound
I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn't make me change.
Whoever gave the MRI machine a gun needs to be fired.
a gun needs to be fired.
--The MRI Machine
Guns don't kill people, MRI machines with guns kill people!
Ideally, out of said gun.
It was clearly contraband when we know MRI are supposed to function at the band^width of 1 MHz to 300 MHz
Muricans and science don´t mix ...
Pounded in the Butt by My Own Gun
She got off way easier than the metal butt plug guy. This one was just a flesh wound.
Do not read the link on butt plug.
I now have severe pain in my entire stomach just from reading that.
Though oxygen tank story is even more terrifying
Links!! You’ve got to provide links when saying don’t read this
A true full is something you earned yourself
It's right there, in the article, happy questing!
I'm so tired of these news. The MRI has the right to self-defense!
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with an MRI machine.
as that commonly-repeated defense goes
Gotta be strapped at all times. Liberal doc might give her a covid booster.
Woman Enters MRI Machine With a Gun, Gets Shot in Butt
What's the next line in this lyrics
Woman Enters MRI Machine With a Gun,
(Gets Shot in the Butt)
She been a dumbass since a teen, you know she dat one,
(Face like a mutt)
Woman enters MRI machine with a gun, GETS SHOT IN BUTT
She had it easy else headline would've been, DIES OF VAG SMUT
you're supposed to swap to your attack dog and wooden baseball bat loadout when you enter an MRI room, dipshit
A normal day in usa
There are idiots in this world, and there are bigger idiots, and well, there are American gun owners.
Did this happen again, or is it the same one as before?
That article was pretty silly, but tragic is not exactly how I would describe what happened.
Stupid, yes. Inevitable even. But tragic?
It was a guy last time
Directly from the wiki entry=
MRI was originally called NMRI (nuclear magnetic resonance imaging), but "nuclear" was dropped to avoid negative associations.[2] Certain atomic nuclei are able to absorb radio frequency (RF) energy when placed in an external magnetic field; the resultant evolving spin polarization can induce a RF signal in a radio frequency coil and thereby be detected.[3] In clinical and research MRI, hydrogen atoms are most often used to generate a macroscopic polarization that is detected by antennas close to the subject being examined.[3] Hydrogen atoms are naturally abundant in humans and other biological organisms, particularly in water and fat. For this reason, most MRI scans essentially map the location of water and fat in the body. Pulses of radio waves excite the nuclear spin energy transition, and magnetic field gradients localize the polarization in space. By varying the parameters of the pulse sequence, different contrasts may be generated between tissues based on the relaxation properties of the hydrogen atoms therein.
Fucking incredible.
Wow, amazing! It's basically turning us into a 5G antenna like the conspiratorials always wanted us to avoid!
With all of the police at any given hospital, it's interesting that this woman wasn't arrested and charged. Discharging a concealed handgun in a hospital? Just American things!
Also, I love how she lied about having a gun, apparently not understanding that they're about to walk into the most dangerous place on Earth to possess metal. Remember the buttplug MRI story? Like, these damn libruls are going to take my gun away if I tell them about it!
Ye Olde Anal Railgun
The only thing that can stop a bad MRI with a gun is a good MRI with a gun.
Looks like a bad porn plot.
Even the MRI machines in America are armed
you can't take away muh gunz
Only in america.
Sadly this isn't the first time. Years ago I read a story about a man who took his mother to get an MRI. While he was there his gun went off and killed her.
This happened in January of this year. Not the story you mention, but it seems to be happening a bit.
How did she sneak it in though? Usually aren't you wearing a hospital gown at this point?
No you can have them done in regular clothes. You'll typically only wear a hospital gown if you're staying in the hospital beforehand.
I've had 2 MRIs and I wasn't staying in the hospital either time but I had to put on a gown both times.
It depends on the hospital. I've had MRIs done in my regular clothes (Tshirt and athletic shorts) and some at another hospital where I had to change into scrubs. Both places provided a locker for personal stuff like phone, wallet, keys, etc.
Probably depends on how far in you have to go. I had one just for my head to check out an issue with my ear, and I kept my regular clothes on.
“Be sure to not have any metal objects”
“Okay, just have my handgun”
The article fucking uncritically links it. Fuck me but that's not journalism
Saw a similar case this year here in Brazil, earlier in february. A pro-gun lawyer was accompanying his mother on a MRI. Once the thing started, his gun, a 9mm pistol, was sucked and shot once it got stuck on the MRI, hitting the man in the belly. He died 21 days later.
On the bright side, she prevented an attack by a gunman in the MRI.
/s
Woman WHAT?
I'm guessing she was there to get an MRI because there was something wrong with her brain.
There are one or two entries on the wikipedia list of unusual deaths like that.
Did anyone else read that as "Woman Enters MRI with a Machine Gun" ?
Guilty
HOW? Also, did she get Darwin award?
Sorry, but Darwin awards are for people who improved the gene pool by removing themselves from it. I know anal is popular, but I don't think that's how you make babies.
Now, she could get an honorable mention for the attempt.
As she just injured herself and did not remove herself from the gene pool, she does not qualify.
I hate to break it to, especially as a man that appreciates a nice ass, the butt is not responsible for sexual reproduction.
What?
Darwin awards require that the person either kills themselves or removes themselves from the gene pool by maiming their sexual organs.
I see, I thought it was for people who shouldn’t breed
You're obviously not enough of an ass man, then.
Trust me, I've repeatedly tried impregnate an ass. Maybe I should try a jackass?
Headline says where she got shot in, but where shot got out?
I know this is a very challenging thing to do, butt (hehe) reading the article would grant you the following information:
fired off a single round into and through her right buttock. Luckily, the bullet barely penetrated her skin and the doctor on site described her entry and exit wounds as “very small and superficial.”
No award for her :(
she's 57, I don't think she's having more kids.
But is the MRI machine OK?
I hear that's the million dollar wound.
Fortunately you don't have to worry about removing bullet fragments
Why would you try to sneak a gun into any medical test area? Even if you didn't know an mri will fuck with a gun, what is the motivation to try to sneak a gun into a medical test room?
A liberal might make her gay when she least expects it!
Holy shit I had a conversation the other day with a dude who said, "democrats just want to touch children and change their genitalia"
He went off about how democrats want to change pedophile name and be more accepting. I told him people don't say that. Only pedophiles do. He went off about how democrats are pedophiles.
He went off about how schools, doctors, and liberal agenda is allowing the mutilation of children's genitalia.
Taking something he says is fact and blowing into the massive majority of all Democrat fundamentals.
ask him what he thinks of circumcion without consent at young age and I bet he will defend that without hesitation
In that situation, the best thing to do is agree with them and then start telling them about how voting is a way for the goverment to track you and/or .. plant .. fucking alien brocolli seeds in your brain or something, so never ever vote
Tell him there are more convicted Christian & Republican paedophiles than Democrats.
He'd challenge it and probably call it propoganda.
Sounds like you met one of my coworkers.
BTW, the justification for using different names for pedophiles - like minor attracted person - isn't to normalize child abuse.
Rather its to get people to seek and accepted help.
The real goal for us should be protecting kids. Not punishing people with dirty thoughts.
I think that's a good cause, but isn't the definition of a pedophile meaning one who likes young aged people? Minor attracted person is the same thing with extra steps. Same stigma, same thoughts, same people.
Get the help but unfortunately it may be one of the things that shouldn't be vocalized in a normal setting as most people are too narrow minded to help.
Removing stigma helps us talk about the issue. That's why MAP phrasing is promoted by those more concerned with child protection than virtue signalling.
These kinds of conversations are why I quit my last job. I couldn't take it anymore.
I'd get whole tirades like that and just be like...
"Ok...uh...sure...so...welcome to the library, did you want to print something or...?"
Some times it’s difficult to tell if a person like that is serious or just seriously trolling you. However, I have met people who say some of the wildest things about wikipedia, vaccines, police, governments etc. and they seemed very serious to me.
it's literally doublethink (literally 1984!!!!) as it's both. They seriously adopt a facetious position to troll and believe it wholeheartedly should be policy and law.
Yes, it doesn't make any sense. That's deliberate too.
He's been a friend for a while. It's his actual thoughts. He's stuck in the feedback loop.
They turned me into a newt.
I got better
Burn her anyway!
No one's giving her 5G on her watch!
Or on her phone!
Cowardice. People that think they need a gun on them at all times are paranoid cowards... Which also makes them the last people who should be able to own a gun.
People shouldn't have guns. Simple as that.
Who the hell decided allowing every civilian a fully functional firearm is a good idea
Gun Manufacturers
People who were aware of Protestants being murdered by the King of England. People who were aware of the Salem Witch Trials. People who have seen over and over again the natural tendency of power to collect in fewer and fewer hands until there's a revolution and a bunch of bloodshed.
People who understood that power is best kept distributed. People who understood that small groups of citizens needed to have some real kind of threat against tyrannical government actors.
That doesn't mean you need to allow every psychopath have a gun, especially the ones who talk about murdering their peers or are known to torture and kill animals.
I believe well regulated militias are still relevant to this day.
Does it really work in US?
Do Americans actually enjoy healthy democracy? Do they have a say against tyrannical policies, police violence?
the sound of crickets intensifies
Look fella, if you drink too much coolaid you'll get diabetes.
People who need guns in order to feel safe live in a shithole.
This is such a weird take, but I hear it a lot. Many of the people I work with carry and very few of them are like that.
I think there are cultural differences, though. City people are more likely to be that way, but for the more rural or country guys it's the same as me carrying a knife all the time. It's just something that's done.
Not so weird... A Knife I can understand. There are a number of uses for a knife beyond being an offensive or defensive weapon. I'm not a knife person, personally, but even I have a few to cut food, or open sealed boxes. I've seen knives used to cut bindings and they can even be used to craft art (whittling being an art form where the knife is the primary tool of choice)!
A gun? Outside of a legit, active warzone? A gun either says you're hunting, or your scared. That's it! I have all the respect for a hunter going into the forests to hunt game animals. I do love myself a burger and a steak... but in a public setting? What're you hunting? What utility is a gun in a public Walmart?
I understand it seems that way to you, but it doesn't to them. It's just kind of normal.
A coworker had a deer run in front of his truck Monday morning and it didn't die from the impact, so he shot it.
Routinely carrying a concealed handgun can create considerable difficulties when a person unexpectedly ends up somewhere they can't do so. Leaving it in a car is a significant risk for theft (and stolen guns get used for bad things). Leaving it with medical staff isn't great. Leaving it unattended outside an exam room presents obvious dangers to anyone who might happen upon it.
It's hard to find yourself in an MRI room without adequate warning that anything magnetic will become a projectile though. I think most places give the patient both written and verbal warnings, and the article here says this patient was warned about metal and specifically about guns.
They literally give you a locker when you go in for an MRI because you have to spend so long naked. This was never a problem for her. She's just stupid.
Facilities vary. I didnt have secure storage when I got an MRI, but I didnt bring a gun or anything else unreasonable to leave unattended.
The question wasn't whether she's stupid (clearly she is), but why someone would bring a gun into a medical exam.
Interesting, I don’t remember a locker either, but it was just my phone and keys, because I’m not an idiot
"Freedom".
But the MRI confiscated my gunz! What part of, "shall not be infringed" does it not understand?!
amurica at it's finest
Yeah, we're not proud. (Those of us that are reasonable.)
Freedumb!
To own the libs, duh
Own the libs, shoot your own butt!
Personally I'm always very offended when someone wounds themselves in a profoundly stupid and preventable manner. I truly hope they don't do it again, that would be terrible. 😉
Is this different in the states? In Germany every time I had to enter one of those I had to put away every single metallic item on me, including piercings and shit. They warn you very thoroughly that you cannot bring metal objects with you because of the high magnetic forces of the machine.
They don't do that in the States. Well, at least half of them.
That's just not true. They absolutely do tell you not to take anything metal with you. So this woman clearly ignored those warnings.
You can't tell me that in the land of lawsuits doctors wouldn't tell you not to take metal objects into an MRI
"Ah don't have no metal! Ah jurst got mah phone, mah coins, mah keys and mah gurn!"
This statement is categorically false. I have had quite a few MRIs over several decades (knee bullshit), and every single time I have gone in, the staff is crystal clear about the fact that you do not bring in anything metallic, full stop, no exceptions, because it can potentially kill you if it gets pulled forcefully in the wrong direction.
Anyone working at an MRI facility who ignores the rules around magnetic objects is going to definitely destroy equipment and perhaps maim or kill people, and is thus a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Ive only done it once, but I also thought they could have stressed this way more, and probably ought to be graphic about the results, to catch these dumb fucks. However, they also waved a metal detector over me. Shouldn’t that catch things like guns? Is this common practice, or do I just look like an idiot?
You can’t. My guess is, it was a party or off the clock silliness.
You can’t even wear your own clothes in those machines. Hospital gowns couldn’t handle the weight of even the smallest handgun.
The details are purposely scant because it had to be reported but they didn’t want to share what really happened.
Had an MRI a couple of weeks ago. Wore my own clothes. Tech did say I should lower my trousers to my knees when I pointed out that there was a fly zip, but didn’t seem too bothered.
Zips are brass alloy and non-magnetic
I’d never considered what they were made of. Live and learn.
I've done MRI 3 times. Wore my own clothes all three times.
I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn't make me take off my clothes, they just triple checked I had nothing metal on me or inside me by asking me several times.
There don't need to be additional details. She snuck a gun into the MRI room and found out why you shouldn't do that.
She fucked around, then she found out.
If only there'd been a another, good MRI machine with a gun present.
I read this story as the MRI machine being the good guy and successfully defending itself
Firearms should be standard issue for all MRI machines to stop this from happening in the future.
The problem wasn't that she had a gun, the problem was her non-specific mental illness.
I can see the thinking that lead to this. But in my mind, it boils down to one bad decision after other, concealing the firearm because each step forward carries worse consequences. It's basically the clown-makeup meme:
Do we need airport-style backscatter x-rays prior to MRI procedures now? In hindsight, it seems like cheap insurance.
Every MRI I've had they provide a locker for your clothes/belongings. That should've been where this idiot's decision-tree stopped.
Thank you for the hypothetical explanation. I was utterly unable to figure out how something so insane actually happened. This at least makes some sort of sense.
Just like religion, it starts with an insane belief and snowballs from there.
You'd think a metal detector would be mandatory in all MRI departments before you enter?
It looks like it is on all new or renovated MRIs, which makes this all the more concerning.
https://mriquestions.com/metal-detectors.html
imo you could leave the bullets with the clothes and throw the gun in the toilet or something.
It's bizarre to me that a basic scan with a metal detector wand isn't required before walking into the MRI chamber.
I hope the machine is fine
The machine costs as much as she'll make in 10 years.
A bit of trivia: it used to be called NMRI, nuclear magnetic resonance imaging. They dropped the N after it became clear people didn't want to go in the machine because they were afraid of radiation. That's why it's called MRI now.
In Chemistry (where it originated) it is still called NMR. There is no image produced, but a spectrum (graph).
If chemists were worried about nuclear magnetic resonance because of potential radiation, I'd be more worried about those chemists!
Chemists and microbiologists are worried about obscure little things you and I haven’t even heads of. But, oh boy are those things nasty. You know, nightmare stuff like acid that slips through your skin and eats your bones or breathing a single spore that is enough to kill you. Such delightful people to have lunch with.
Can confirm, I regularly rant about HF to unsuspecting non-chemists.
And see this is the kind of reason I'm nervous about actual space travel and think "hard sci-fi" is a lot less fun sometimes.
Fun fact, bringing nmr stuff across borders is very difficult once border security realises N stands for nuclear.
Funny tangential story here.
I used to design electronics. One product is a black box with just a couple of LED lights on the front and an LED display. It also gets inserted into a special socket, from which it gets it's power. So no power cord and it can only be powered on if we have the much larger thing it gets plugged into. Of course, I needed to power it on to demonstrate it to customers, so I took apart one of the sockets that it goes into, and ran a power cord off of it so I could plug it into the wall (it runs off of ~120 VAC).
I figured to make my life easier, so I didn't have to constantly plug and unplug it, I would put a switch on it. So I just glued a red switch on the side and wired it all up.
Then I went through airport security with it. Ended up being pulled aside for about an hour as they questioned me about it and scanned the thing damn near 20 times. It was like every TSA agent in the area was watching the scans as it went through. I was talking to the head TSA guy who said "Man, I know you're fine. However, this is precisely one of the things we are told to look out for: homemade devices with switches on them. Did you have to make it red?" lol
He eventually got some higher up on the phone and it was clear from the one-side of the conversation I heard that the higher up was like "if you think the guy is fine, let him through" and so I was let through. Barely made my flight tho. Glad we got there really early.
Wow what a story. That would be NERVE WRACKING.
I'm glad to hear stories about those kinds of law enforcement folks though.
"Look I'm just trying to make sure everybody's safe, I don't think I'm Jack Bauer here."
Rather than the comical assumption usually perpetrated by Hollywood that you'd be thrown down and have a K9 chewing on your leg and half the airport aiming at you with alarms going off Lol.
Mainly I was nervous that I might miss my flight. The only moment I got a little scared was when the lady first pulled it out, said something like "What is this?" and I went to reach for it to show her. . .and she was like "You can't touch that!" It was at that point I realized I was going to be delayed getting through security. But for the most part everyone was very nice and unconcerned. It was even comical at times, like when they kept running it through the machine, each time bringing someone else over to look as well.
I was much more nervous when, doing the same type of sales, I got pulled away into customs in Canada, separated from my co-worker, him carrying all of the information, with no cell phone because my phone didn't work up there. At least that time we were smart enough to send the equipment ahead of us. lol
Ah, the same kind of people who are worried about phone radiation while spending days roasting on the beach every summer.
That and NMRI is a pain to say
NMRI always sounds like a tax form your going to have to deal with.
Nmri sounds like a new antidepressant
"Do not take if you are pregnant, planning to become pregnant, or you are allergic to NMRI's"
Fun fact: if you itemize your medical expenses, it's that too.
There is no way the MRI wasn't damaged. Other hospital go'ers will be footing that bill. She should be garneshed wages for the rest of her life until those repairs are paid.
"Lucky" would be the bullet being lodged in her body, doing no further damage except to her idiot self so she would learn her lesson without impacting others.
This person took a loaded gun into a hospital, and then into the giant magnet room. Not sure they're capable of learning any kind of lesson.
Your comment started quite the debate here. Everyone needs to slow down and realize there's insurance on the machine and the insurance even covers morons with guns. Might the insurance company go after her? Sure, they'd probably sue her homeowner's insurance, because when in doubt that seems to be what happens. They'd never go after the individual for this, unless it was maybe intentional.
Hospital goers will foot the bill regardless, because that's what we do here in the good old US of A.
The end of your comment is where I was focusing before. Insurance is a for-profit business. Rates most certainly go up for the hospital, which gets transferred to other patients. Reference: worked with hospitals, medical devices, and insurance.
If the bullet exited through the opening in the machine then it may not have struck it at all. Typically a waist holstered gun will have it's barrel pointing down, in the general direction of the carrier's feet, which happens to be towards the opening of the MRI. I think it's entirely plausible the machine wasn't damaged.
Of course that means the bullet would have gone sailing into the opposite wall, which is extremely dangerous. Depending on the wall and caliber it easily could have penetrated the wall and injured/killed someone on the other side.
They'd probably still need to turn the machine off because of the incident. That will already cost a lot of money.
Oh this is a take I hadn't considered. If this is the case, everyone would be lucky indeed.
Having her money taken for the rest of her life is not a good response. Ofcourse she's a fucking dumbass, but having her life destroyed because of that one moment is not adequate.
The problem of healthcare in the USA is way more severe than a destroyed MRI machine.
"Garnished" means to take an amount small enough not to diminish her means of survival. She just wouldn't have her luxuries.
Even in single payer systems, dumbasses should be fined for damages.
FWIW, in the US, seems like you're 'guaranteed' that you'll keep 30 hours worth of minimum wage per week. the minimum wage is abysmal, so ~870 a month, which isn't really enough to survive on in many places. I suspect it would be terribly difficult to pay rent, gas/electric, buy food, pay for public transport and/or gas.
I think this person was dumb. I think they fucked up badly. I think garnishment could make sense if the terms were more reasonable. But I think the current terms could absolutely be detrimental to ones survival.
I agree with you. I feel like there is too often a “throw the book at them!” reaction to every wrong or mistake, maybe especially in the US. Which explains the hyper punitive justice system and the highest prison population in the world.
Where in the article does it say her life is destroyed?
where in that comment does it say anything about the article?
Well since this is a thread about the article, one would assume you'd be on-topic.
Also you have 0 evidence that her life is destroyed. An MRI isn't very expensive if you're insured, and she's almost certainly insured, because she, ya know, got a fucking MRI.
So what exactly was the point there?
They're responding to a comment dude, click the context button.
I read the chain, and it's 2 comments long, and that one person randomly brought up healthcare systems as a total non-sequitor.
The original comment is about her damaging the machine. It stands to reason this person thought she was on the hook for the damages, which is never discussed in the article, nor is damage confirmed.
"Should" being the operative word here. The top level comment using should "in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency."
The next poster says that this is "not a good response" because it would destroy her life.
They are disagreeing over what should happen, not what is happening.
Right but then also this
I'm just not sure how people aren't getting why someone might be confused by this entire exchange
I agree that part was a non-sequitur. I even thought so myself when I first passed over it.
But the other part of the exchange is not confusing at all and there's zero indication that anyone thought she is actually on the hook for any damages. I'm more-so confused how you could not pick up the meaning even after a re-read.
Dude until your above comment I was confused as fuck.
Maybe I need more coffee.
lol It happens. To your credit, most people wouldn't admit it.
MRI machines cost between $150,000 to $3,000,000. To me, specifically, that's prohibitively expensive. I assume given the circumstances she's in a significant amount of trouble, with a lethal weapon being grossly mishandled to the point of putting others lives at risk. But, to your credit, that assumption was not clearly attributed in the original post. I think the important thing here is not the disagreements we have in the comments, but the up votes we get along the way.
See this comment makes vastly more sense to me.
Maybe next time dont lie to medical staff.
To quote Gregory House, everybody lies.
"IDK how this gun ended up inside my butthole. I must have fallen on it."
Wait wait wait! The gun was on her person, or the gun was in her rectum?
Idk, I didn't read the article.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh no! Is the MRI machine okay? The article doesn't say anything about it.
Lucky it wasn't worse. You can't have any metal on in a huge rotating magnet. Dumb is gonna dumb.
Oh no.
A CT scanner is a giant rotating electromagnet. An MRI is a giant quantum electromagnetic tube. It’s so, so much worse. It is literally unpredictable as to what might happen with metal inside of it. She’s lucky she wasn’t literally torn to shreds.A CT scanner is a rotating X-ray device. No rotating magnets here!
Ah thanks for the clarification! And you are right about torn to shreds. I recommend people go watch those videos that show what happens with metal in MRI machines.
We're lucky she didn't merge with the gun into a super soldier!
I thought the "M" was for "Magic". Silly me.
Magic Ring Imaging
My proctologist said my Magic Ring could benefit from more fiber.
sfp+ or sfp28?
They had it set to “M” for magnetic when they should’ve had it set to “W” for wumbo.
The M could have really been for Murder! (Well, probably more like Manslaughter, but close enough.)
Dis you?
With the cost and risks of MRI machines, why aren't there metal detectors at the entrance?
Eek wait until they reverse this. "If you can survive the MRI machine, you can get on the plane." Lol
Weird that they didn't have her change into a gown first. Or maybe they did, in which case where did she put-- you know what never mind that's enough internet for today
She DID get shot in the butt. It just isn't mentioned whether it's an entry or exit wound
I had a head MRI a few weeks ago. They didn't make me change.
Whoever gave the MRI machine a gun needs to be fired.
--The MRI Machine
Guns don't kill people, MRI machines with guns kill people!
Ideally, out of said gun.
It was clearly contraband when we know MRI are supposed to function at the band^width of 1 MHz to 300 MHz
Muricans and science don´t mix ...
Pounded in the Butt by My Own Gun
She got off way easier than the metal butt plug guy. This one was just a flesh wound.
Do not read the link on butt plug.
I now have severe pain in my entire stomach just from reading that.
Though oxygen tank story is even more terrifying
Links!! You’ve got to provide links when saying don’t read this
A true full is something you earned yourself
It's right there, in the article, happy questing!
I'm so tired of these news. The MRI has the right to self-defense!
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with an MRI machine.
as that commonly-repeated defense goes
Gotta be strapped at all times. Liberal doc might give her a covid booster.
What's the next line in this lyrics
Woman Enters MRI Machine With a Gun,
(Gets Shot in the Butt)
She been a dumbass since a teen, you know she dat one,
(Face like a mutt)
Woman enters MRI machine with a gun, GETS SHOT IN BUTT
She had it easy else headline would've been, DIES OF VAG SMUT
you're supposed to swap to your attack dog and wooden baseball bat loadout when you enter an MRI room, dipshit
A normal day in usa
There are idiots in this world, and there are bigger idiots, and well, there are American gun owners.
Did this happen again, or is it the same one as before?
different case from 10 months ago: https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/02/12/lawyer-dies-after-shot-by-his-own-concealed-gun-triggered-by-mri-machine/?sh=f55817568ac5
Excuse me, a fucking lawyer???
*Brazilian lawyer
Thanks!
That article was pretty silly, but tragic is not exactly how I would describe what happened.
Stupid, yes. Inevitable even. But tragic?
It was a guy last time
Directly from the wiki entry=
Fucking incredible.
Wow, amazing! It's basically turning us into a 5G antenna like the conspiratorials always wanted us to avoid!
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
With all of the police at any given hospital, it's interesting that this woman wasn't arrested and charged. Discharging a concealed handgun in a hospital? Just American things!
Also, I love how she lied about having a gun, apparently not understanding that they're about to walk into the most dangerous place on Earth to possess metal. Remember the buttplug MRI story? Like, these damn libruls are going to take my gun away if I tell them about it!
Ye Olde Anal Railgun
The only thing that can stop a bad MRI with a gun is a good MRI with a gun.
Looks like a bad porn plot.
Even the MRI machines in America are armed
you can't take away muh gunz
Only in america.
Sadly this isn't the first time. Years ago I read a story about a man who took his mother to get an MRI. While he was there his gun went off and killed her.
This happened in January of this year. Not the story you mention, but it seems to be happening a bit.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2023/02/12/lawyer-dies-after-shot-by-his-own-concealed-gun-triggered-by-mri-machine/?sh=f7c3422568ac
How did she sneak it in though? Usually aren't you wearing a hospital gown at this point?
No you can have them done in regular clothes. You'll typically only wear a hospital gown if you're staying in the hospital beforehand.
I've had 2 MRIs and I wasn't staying in the hospital either time but I had to put on a gown both times.
It depends on the hospital. I've had MRIs done in my regular clothes (Tshirt and athletic shorts) and some at another hospital where I had to change into scrubs. Both places provided a locker for personal stuff like phone, wallet, keys, etc.
Probably depends on how far in you have to go. I had one just for my head to check out an issue with my ear, and I kept my regular clothes on.
“Be sure to not have any metal objects”
“Okay, just have my handgun”
Reminds me of The One:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-NppFUWG9k&t=2m0s
That movie goes hard for a 12 year old boy looking for something to try and be as cool as the matrix.
Plus all the wonderful, beautiful songs picked for the soundtrack.
OoooooWaAhAhAh!!!
When the final boss fight hits that last phase and Papa Roach's "Blood Brothers" hits for some slow-mo drama.
Man that's some peak 00's action movie cinema right there.
Gave me goosebumps just remembering that!
Also Carla cugino was a smokeshow!
Was?! Oh no. (Web search) Oh. Phew. I thought maybe I made a bad multiverse jump for a minute there. :p
Such a kind face for a villain.
Anyone remember the “anal rail gun” from earlier this year? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mri-butt-plug-injuries/
The article fucking uncritically links it. Fuck me but that's not journalism
Saw a similar case this year here in Brazil, earlier in february. A pro-gun lawyer was accompanying his mother on a MRI. Once the thing started, his gun, a 9mm pistol, was sucked and shot once it got stuck on the MRI, hitting the man in the belly. He died 21 days later.
On the bright side, she prevented an attack by a gunman in the MRI.
/s
Woman WHAT?
I'm guessing she was there to get an MRI because there was something wrong with her brain.
There are one or two entries on the wikipedia list of unusual deaths like that.
Did anyone else read that as "Woman Enters MRI with a Machine Gun" ?
Guilty
HOW? Also, did she get Darwin award?
Sorry, but Darwin awards are for people who improved the gene pool by removing themselves from it. I know anal is popular, but I don't think that's how you make babies.
Now, she could get an honorable mention for the attempt.
As she just injured herself and did not remove herself from the gene pool, she does not qualify.
I hate to break it to, especially as a man that appreciates a nice ass, the butt is not responsible for sexual reproduction.
What?
Darwin awards require that the person either kills themselves or removes themselves from the gene pool by maiming their sexual organs.
I see, I thought it was for people who shouldn’t breed
You're obviously not enough of an ass man, then.
Trust me, I've repeatedly tried impregnate an ass. Maybe I should try a jackass?
Headline says where she got shot in, but where shot got out?
I know this is a very challenging thing to do, butt (hehe) reading the article would grant you the following information:
No award for her :(
she's 57, I don't think she's having more kids.
But is the MRI machine OK?
I hear that's the million dollar wound.
Fortunately you don't have to worry about removing bullet fragments