Similar to Mastodon's spikes last year, it seems. Anyways, there is data to think about. Source
I feel like that is more or less to be expected. A ton of people found Lemmy during the reddit protests. Now that the protests are gone and Lemmy has had its growing pains some users are leaving, going back to reddit or other places.
If we keep using it and making content users will grow organically.
Lemmy is having an identity crisis of sorts. It was built to be decentralized yet we (users) seem to want to centralize everything and we all go to a few of the largest instances.
I don’t think it’s about a craving for centralisation but for newcomers and people still learning the core ideas about decentralisation it’s about a promise of more active engagement and more varied content.
And FOMO. New users gravitate towards the large instances because they think they will miss content, not knowing they can easily access said content on any instance as long as it hasn't defederated from them.
I’m barely seeing any content at all, I often see a post click on the community and it shows either 2 other posts and nothing else or nothing at all. It constantly seems like the majority of posts just disappear into the void.
It is much much more of a pain to access content on small instances where it hasn't synced yet. It means visiting those larger instances anyway to check if it's worth subscribing to communities. And then trying to actually subscribe is a lesson in patience while it gives you no search results and errors out if you try to visit an unsynced community directly.
Of course it's not about centralisation per se, but the problems that a centralised platform does not have to deal with.
Lemmy is having an identity crisis of sorts. It was built to be decentralized yet we (users) seem to want to centralize everything and we all go to a few of the largest instances.
Because decentralization, at least as it is now, runs counter to what people are looking for in a social media platform; mainly discoverability.
Does it though? My instance has very little locally, but if I browse 'All' it really isn't any different than being on any other instance, even a big one.
You are only shown what your server has stored. Your server only stores what people of your instance have subscribed to. If you visit bogger instances, they all have different Hot feeds, because each server pulls different content. There is no one way to see what is going on in all of the fediverse. You are only ever shown a part.
Sure but above a certain user count, your instance will usually have at least one subscriber to just about every active community. (I may have used a bot to help this process....)
It's not that users want to centralize everything. It's Lemmy's design that promotes it, because despite federation, there are still advantages to choosing big instances and communities.
Joining the largest instance makes searching, joining, or opening communities much more seamless.This can be addressed by:
Improving the search so that it can find communities, or even content, that no one on the instance has subscribed yet.
Making it easier to open a community in your home instance.
In addition to Sub/Local/All feed, you can have a "moderated" feed (with communities selected by admins). The "local" feed is most useful for instances on a specific topic. But for very small instances, it'll be too empty at least at first. So a moderated feed can create an on-topic feed that's more lively.
For most topics, only the largest communities are large enough to have good content, so everyone wants to join them. To address this, you need some easy mechanism to subscribe to all communities on a topic. For example, we can let communities follow other communities. Then people can create topical meta-communities that aggregate content without centralizing it.
This is the big one to me. It's much more difficult to search for specific content if it's isolated amongst communities on different servers, all trying to fill the same niche and splitting the potential userbase for said niche up between them.
If there was like a tag system in place that communities could use to tag themselves as being for a specific thing, like cooking, for example, and then you could aggregate/search posts from all communities under the cooking tag across all servers federated with yours, it would greatly simplify finding content for less tech literate users while also increasing the resilience of the entire network by allowing more communities for a specific niche to exist, which would prevent content loss if one server goes down without discoverability being an issue.
It's hard to find instances that offer what world offers, so I get it.
OTOH, I ended up moving or handing over most of my communities that I had created on world because this instance is TOO popular and bogged down all the time. Plus, they make arbitrary and drastic decisions without discussion on matters like defederation and often banning. It's smart to go to a smaller instance but it's also risky because any instance could go down at any moment. That's why many of my communities are duplicated (across world and infosec) because it would be devastating to lose all of those quality links and engagement.
You also don't have the content of Reddit. It doesn't take too long to scroll through all top six hours and get to the single digits of upvotes.
Kinda cozy though, if you pay attention you kinda see who's active.
Like you, only user on my instance who has more comments than me.
How do you think I got so much karma on Reddit?
If Lemmy gets significantly larger we gotta figure out how to make our own CC
Right now private communities aren't really possible.
There are a lot of parts of Lemmy that are rough around the edges or aren't there at all. Hopefully it improves over time, especially as new front end apps can free developers to focus on the back end, but we'll see.
I think more people need to make communities they are interested in that might already exist on beehaw/lemmy.world/lemmy.ml/etc but on other instances. We really need to not keep everything on a few instances… I agree it contradicts itself. I tried by creating fallout but hard to get activity. Even its main community is quiet so that makes sense. I might try something a bit less niche.
It's that everyone wants to create the same community on different instances.
I think there is a gap in understanding how Lemmy works and how it differs from reddit, in particular with the less technical crowd. We definitely don't want people sharing giant instances, but that matches more with the sign up for reddit, use reddit logic many people are used to.
I think it's also why we have seen such drama over Sync for Lemmy and its ads and pricing. To the techy crowd that was the majority of Lemmy users, that all seems antithetical to what Lemmy is and how it works. To the people who came to Lemmy from reddit, and especially those who may have tried out Lemmy because of Sync, the criticism sounds maddening because that's the way it always worked on reddit.
So in some sense all of this is expected. Lemmy will lose some users, but maybe it will find an equilibrium. The key focus these days imho should be outreach about smaller instances, and outreach about donating to your instance (if you can) to keep it running.
I like the idea of federated social media platforms conceptually, but ai absolutely want to make my home on the largest instances. That's just an artifact of how I use social media, though, I always gravitate towards the busiest platforms because interacting with so many people is the real joy of it.
That doesn't seem weird to me. Honestly it seems weird that it's that active. I would've expected a sharper, quicker decline. Retaining active users is hard.
Exactly. Users who are involved in extremely niche communities will probably not find a place on Lemmy/Kbin yet. In 2008, reddit was the same. The politics subreddit only had 50,000 subscribers.
It's all about momentum. The more users we have, the more engagement in niche communities, the more it'll attract and retain users.
And loads of people hear the buzz, try it out and leave when they grow bored. I think the reason for the downward spike not being worse is that the threshold to take part in Lemmy communities is higher than many social media sites, and invested time registering makes people more likely to stay.
Just to chime in, please correct me if I’m wrong, but Lemmy only counts activity as someone who’s posting or commenting (citation needed), so as more people go back to their old ways of lurking, activity will drop as browsing isn’t counted as activity
Lemmy is a much closer analog to Reddit than Mastodon is for Twitter. While Mastodon has similar basic functionality to Twitter, it lacks a lot of the features that make it easy to find new content and new people to follow.
Pair that with some very polished third-party mobile reddit apps with large, loyal followings transitioning to Lemmy and it became way easier to abandon reddit for Lemmy than it was to leave Twitter for Mastodon. I'm a huge open source supporter, but the average user doesn't care about FOSS or open source software. They want something that looks nice and just works.
the average user doesn't care about FOSS or open source software. They want something that looks nice and just works.
Truer words were never said.
I got super frustrated with Mastodon because of this. I've tried a couple of instances with no luck. And hilariously, I have to think that the furry folks are either having the same problem finding a home, or they are stalking me, because everywhere I move, shortly after, a ton of furries appear and do introductions. Furry stuff is not my thing, but I can appreciate how they might have a hard time finding a good place to settle.
I'm actively lurking, I just have nothing of value to share 🌝
I feel like people just want to hang out and talk about stuff. We don't always need to be wowed by some crazy high quality content or new OC. We just want to hang out with friends and shoot the shit. Most of us are on here to distract us from whatever bullshit we should probably be doing instead.
At least it's less likely for your boss to find you here on the Fediverse.
To be honest, I do the same thing. A couple of simple rules to keep the web entertaining:
Filter everything that triggers you
Ban porn
Never, never look at comments on politics, religion and family. You're like to want to erase humanity afterwards
Yeah it took a long time for me to finally curate Reddit to something I enjoyed using, I've started increasingly working on my filters and it just gets better and better here.
Like Reddit, I find trying to find communities I'm interested in a little difficult so I'm just defaulting to all and continuing to filter for now. At some point soon I'll be able to just default to subscribed.
there's always something of value to share at least on c/lemmyshitpost
Some dropoff after initial hype is normal. Now we just continue as usual until reddit pisses people off again.
There are also conscious efforts to weed out bots and other measures that try to remove potential cancer from spreading.
There was a post recently that outlined bot weeding efforts on a couple dozen instances that tanked user number by something like 1/5 - clearly visible on graphs.
Lemmy’s doing great. Even if plenty small communities are still not big enough here.
Well, to keep a user is way harder than to attract his attention.
I think that the key differences between this platform(s) and the more known alternatives are part of the problem - people are very dumb these days and lazy. Often the first reaction to something new and not working in the expected way is to skip it, or demand the solution, rather than look around, try different approach and such.
I feel like I'm witnessing Diaspora 2.0 effect...
Yes, most people give up as soon as something does not work first time.
Maybe there are enough of us to be enough abd to fix those annoying little things that make lemmy complicated to use.
A lot if issues got resolved, apps are here,it is getting better fast.
I doubt it - too many people with different preferences they aren't willing to let go, I'm afraid.
If you're asking me, it's "good enough" the way it is. I'd gladly have some more content filters, but even without them I perceive it as a platform with enough potential to consider it good.
I think those issues will be solved though. Apps will increasingly make onboarding simpler so Lemmy will be as simple to use as Reddit.
At that point really its just a case of waiting for Reddit to fuck itself, which it absolutely will do eventually via corporate greed, and there we go, all the Lemmy content anyone could ever need.
I don't think Reddit will fall, sadly.
It harbors too many people, who go there for a specific content and don't care about the internal dramas, or who leads the place and what he thinks about the userbase. In addition... Eh, it hosted Obama, Arnold, plenty of actors, celebrities.
My assumption is that it will simply evolve into something different, but no less popular.
After all, Facebook was caught redhanded on such abominable practices that it should be burnt to a crisp long time ago, and yet it's still there, led by that automaton, what'shisname...
I think I am on shitjustworks.. i don’t know how big my instance is I just chose it because it has a cool name.
It has gone down a few times and at first my reaction was to go to is it down dot com to see if the problem was with my app… but then I had the realization that ohhhh, it’s just my home server is down… I thought about making a separate account on another instance but instead just decided to do something else with those few minutes I would have spent here….
No big deal…. It’s happened a few times in the couple months I’ve been here, but it always works eventually… I really like this platform, and the philosophy behind it, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to understand all the inner workings and how the instances work together, but I don’t feel like I need to.
But I can see how people who understand it even less than I do might get frustrated and so that is going to be a limiting factor with new growth here I would assume…
I’m just here because I like the pretty 3rd party apps.
One thing that bugs me is people asking for/using tools that replicate the look and feel of Reddit instead of learning the ropes. I left Reddit, I don't want another one. I get it, familiarity is comforting, but when the user base is a fraction of the other platform, no UI or app will ever give you the same experience. I say move on, get out of your comfort zone and participate.
Amen to that.
I don't imagine staying on some site that resembles a drowning wreck, because "I got used to how things work here".
I'm to tired to make quality posts. Props to the people that can do that every day. Best I got is a few mildly opinionated comments.
Even lurkers are still part of the community.
I started out looking for an exact replacement for Reddit (where I mostly lurk). Initially I thought the lack of content and traffic on Lemmy was a bad thing, but I now see it as early days of a community and lack of content means I have a chance to make a post or comment that is valued and gets engagement from other users. Reddit was so mature that anything I wanted to post was either already there, not welcome or buried under an ocean of other content/comments. If you use both you could even find good content on Reddit to crosspost on Lemmy.
It's quite nice being part of a small community now. Even just an up/down vote from you will be worth more here. It's great.
I try to comment when I can. Even if it's not insightful. A small compliment keeps a community going.
Hell small compliments keep people going let alone an abstract sense of community
You guys are doing great!
I try to browse and upvote in new also
Get out of my head!
Thanks for pointing that out! High quality content takes time to craft. It's being skilled and/or knowledgable, being able to convey that across on a digital platform (where basically everyone's anonymous and of unknown backgrounds), and being engaging while you're at it. It definitely can be demanding for some.
Graps are delicious and I love the wins they make.
:) I erased any evidence of any misspelling that may or may not have taken place here tonight.
FYI, Lemmy doesn’t count lurkers as active users. Here’s how Lemmy counts active users:
An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included.
Also, this graph does not take into account kbin which is essentially the same kind of software as lemmy but tracked seperately. Better data can be found here: https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
Also, instance hopping and users registering on multiple instances before picking only one/being active on only once may be an explanation.
Also worth noting is Lemmy only counts posts/comments as "active users". Lurkers who only read and up/downvote aren't counted.
That's interesting, I would expect people who vote to be accounted
Me as well. I only remember this because around July 1st there was a post about it, which lead to a wave of "doing my part by posting my daily comment to count as an active user"-comments.
wow, I lurk so much more than I post stuff.. one would think they would track this
I think this is the biggest factor. Most people only lurk. How many people signed up and only lurk?
At least 2.
So true. This is straight from Lemmy’s documentation:
An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included.
In this case, I have a theory. I remember a month ago people were posting a lot on Reddit and the !reddit@lemmy.ml community was extremely active. It was like group therapy for refugees. But now the new reality is setting in and people are actually having real and meaningful conversations, which means more lurkers.
So it doesn't mean that active users are down per se, it's just that it's stabilised because people are mostly over Reddit.
Absolutely, and also keep in mind that many who were lurkers on Reddit and came over here maybe made one or two comments immediately saying something like "Happy to be on Lemmy!" and then went back to lurking here and haven't commented since. They would have counted as monthly active users for July, but not August.
Lemmy.world has been down a lot, I've been trying to use it but half the times I've logged on it's been down. So that might be part of it?
Between lemmy.world and sync having issues I almost went on reddit. Then I remembered this is the fediverse, jerboa and lemm.ee exist and I'm back and more active than ever.
I think it's mostly lemmy.world issue, since (for some reason) is Sync's default, instead of suggesting smaller instances.
For real.
Don't you have an account on another instance? Lemmy.world was down a bit that one time. Lemmy.ca was down once briefly for me due to site maintenance.
What are the best instances to have an account? I'm new to lemmy and just have lemmy world.
I have a second account on lemdro.id. It's smaller and mostly android focused but its my main account most days. If world is having issues I don't even think about it I just switch over 😂
I'm not sure why they're not using elastic servers. Maybe because of the cost. Idk how Lemmy server dudes get their money, but it can be expensive running a server with 5-7 million visitors per month.
As a lurker I mostly just vote. But gotta post every once in a while to add to active users stat!
I don’t know why, but it never occurred to me that you need to comment to be counted as “active”
Is this actually written somewhere?
I would have thought votes would count as a unique interaction to count towards being active
A stat for logged in users would be nice.
Yeah same, well here's my active status for the month.
No worries, Lemmy is alive. Lemmy and Fediverse in general is better to grow organically.
quality over quantity
There's also people that create multiple accounts in different instances and end up using just one.
I did this. I didn't initially realize there is such a thing as instances (I thought I was joining Lemmy). Came from Reddit so didn't expect this. Now I only use my Lemmy.world account, the other one is doing nothing (should probably get around deleting it at some point).
For some the novelty of lemmy dropped pretty quickly. Most reddit users which make up a huge chunk of lemmy users would go days if not, weeks without commenting or posting. You kinda have to factor in that a lot of people are lemmy lurkers that will comment or post once they find something that interests them.
Also in my case I made several alts in the beginning (because I couldn't decide on an instance and I like to have backups for when an instance is down).
Other users probably did the same, which results in a bunch of inactive accounts.
I have accounts on 5 different instances.
I pretty much only use two of them. A third one sees occasional use when sh.itjust.works is having problems, but that's about it.
You kinda have to factor in that a lot of people are lemmy lurkers that will comment or post once they find something that interests them.
That's me. I never interacted much on Reddit, so I'm trying to get in the habit of doing so now.
Lemmy needs a middle logical layer to really take off. If a local server moderats it as such, the default view for say /c/technology shouldn't be slit across a dozen instances. Instead it should be merged into one view.
Without it you have a bunch of largely stagnant communities.
What would be better is if similar Lemmy communities could, by mutual agreement, "federate" so that all posts show up regardless of which community someone is viewing. So if you were looking at lemmy.world/c/technology, you'd also see posts lemmy.ml/c/technology if they "federated" (probably a better term to use to avoid confusion with the fediverse in general, but that's the one that came to mind).
It might be a good feature/option of a frontend to automatically aggregate same-name communities across federated servers. Bogus actors would either be downvoted or defederated off the feed.
Lemmy pretty much just needs tags. Like you can mark your different "technology" communities with the tag "technology" and a user can subscribe to this tag to view all posts from whatever communities have this tag (and they don't have to call themselves strictly just "technology")
Something like that I would imagine so no direct interaction between communities required.
It's this plus uptime. Both come down to usability. Nobody wants to use a product that is confusing or unreliable.
Only Lemmy.world really has issues with uptime
Yeah, Lemmy excels at both those things.
can't maintain 90% uptime
why are we losing users?
I am not leaving unlesa somehow reddit pays me to go back to it. I am a man of conviction. I went back just because i got a notification of someone replying. Other than that, that's it. I am staying here whether this takes off or not
I believe a lot of the new users' influx was knee-jerk reaction towards it. Then people calmed down and went back to their old habits, leaving the fediverse with millions of dead accounts.
I enjoyed being a mod to a helpful community tho - but no, I'm no longer working for free so that spez can shine in the stock market: that's exactly who I'm not, exactly against all my values.
I don't understand why people have expectations from a young platform like it's supposed to be the new reddit/facebook all of a sudden. I lived through the digg->reddit move and believe me, it was worse than what we see on lemmy sometimes. Let it grow and it will have a chance. Offer help when you think some communities aren't correctly moderated or when you think you have better ideas. People usually will try to help (not all the time).
It maybe comes from an all or nothing mentality. I would have tremendous Schadenfreude if Reddit does indeed die, but the culture there changed and I don't really care if all of Reddit migrated here. As long as Lemmy is active enough, I am content.
Only reason I would browse Reddit was because of the vast amount of information linked and posted to it. Given enough time and engagement from the Internet as a whole Lemmy will be bigger and better than reddit.
We'll get there but it needs everybody's help.
I will say I'm already twice as active on Lemmy than I was on Reddit 🥳
I'm sticking with it for now. Reddit can piss off. The Spez shit was just the last straw for me after a lot of other disappointing shit in recent times.
Same. That plus the constant lying. They always remove something and then say "we're working on something better" and that's the last you ever hear of it. They're disgusting liars.
Losing active users is normal. Same thing happened on mastodon over the years. A wave of people would join, then slowly leave again. Many of them would stick though.
Lemmy is incredibly active imo ^^
Some people might have made multiple accounts and chosen one possibly?
I did it too. I had like 4 or 5 accounts and used 2 or 3 actively until recently if my main instance went down. Now I'm just using 1.
I'm moving to lemm.ee personally for similar reasons. I'm keeping the dotworld account as backup and may be creating communities here.
My guess is a lot of people came in saw that Lemmy was kinda dead a lot of the time but suspected it would continue to grow so they left it temporarily to go back to reddit while they waited for Lemmy to catch up
Yeah i did something similar, though mostly bc i was confused about the whole instance thing.
Made three or four accounts over the first few days. I kept forgetting the password, or didn't really understand what an instance meant, or how to log on via Connect. Now that's done with, I just stick to one account
This is me. I bounced between a couple of instances before I settled on lemm.ee; I also am generally a lurker because I don't want to comment or post unless I know that it will generate quality conversation.
I'll personally post as long as it's relevant. Ideally it's an interesting comment but not always. I stay away from reddit-type inane comments with no substance, though I'm sure they have their place here as well.
Reddit is going to keep trying dumb methods to monetize or annoy their user base. Digg did a similar thing. The people will slowly get more and more annoyed and the content here will increase. It’s just a waiting game and federated services are the future.
Ads are coming. (Well, more ads.)
Old.Reddit will be killed too. I know they said it’s not going anywhere but they have shown to be full of shit in the past.
Sites like reddit, Instagram, and twitter make the cognitive effort to go from signing up to using the app as low as possible. The users' experience is considered from before they even have an account. They make sure you don't ever see a blank page or feel like you're battling the app to find content.
Lemmy actively puts roadblocks in the way. Server choices, the hoops you need to jump though for server memberships, and highly fragmented communities all but ensure that people will face issues when signing up.
Sadly, a lot of users here feel that because they had to overcome them, so should everyone else. Until that changes then the self-defeating cycle will continue.
They really really need to do something about the confusing account creation process. Most people ended up on Lemmy.world because they assumed that that was the site you had to use. They were never directed to other instances.
What they need to do is have a lemmy.com website and when you create an account on it it just creates an account on a random semi-popular reliable instance. To spread load. If everyone uses the same platform then the robustness of the platform goes away and we are essentially back to a single point of failure. But now in a more complicated manner.
We're getting there, still in the very early stages here. One thing I've noticed is how extremely techy the initial community here was, something I personally collided with like a bit of a wrecking ball. People in general, not just techy people, tend to assume others will approach things similarly to how they naturally do. So they don't necessarily always see problems that others might stumble over, ahead of time.
Now that we've started growing more rapidly, these problems of scale, where they now have to anticipate problems they did not have to anticipate before, all are coming due. So, growing pains.
This is why I have not been inviting people to Lemmy yet, I've been waiting until it's more polished for the mainstream. It's also why the graph is trending down. We're literally not ready yet for the mainstream, in many, many different ways.
Also useful to remember, we're only done getting big growth spikes if spez is done pissing off reddit. I doubt he is.
For the last month and a half, I have not used reddit at all. Lemmy has most of the communities that I was a part of.
But I get that, some niche subreddits still don't have communities here on lemmy. A few of my friends, stopped using lemmy because it didn't have the subs they were active in.
Those of us still using Reddit should casually name-drop Lemmy to remind people they have an alternative. If you make a reddit post put a link to the Lemmy post too
I want my active Starfield, The Wire, and The West Wing communities, but not bad enough to use reddit's app. If I could easily use it just as a website I probably would, but that experience sucks.
It'll hit equilibrium eventually. Not like this is something unusual for a platform that's making the rounds as the new and exciting thing.
Might as well post here as my first one. Hi, Lemmy. :)
My biggest issue is that at least two out of three times I go to browse/post/comment on lemmy.world, the server is down. I have no clue the actual up time, maybe I am just unlucky. But I am considering migrating my main account to another server.
My alt's server has never experienced this much issue. Hopefully the devs add a migrate function.
I alternate between beehaw and lemmy.ca, and this way I have almost no downtime, if lemmy.ca goes down (it does so very rarely) , I just switch to the beehaw temporarily to lurk
That's what's stopped me commenting too, Jerboa allows me to type out a whole comment then I lose it when I got post if the server is down. I am Australian though and recently learnt that the LW team have no-one who lives in this timezone so I can hardly blame em!
The problem with lemmy is that it's not 100% stable. I like it more than Reddit but at least 20% of time lemmy is overloaded, down, not refreshing or else.
I haven't had that problem at all. Maybe a month ago, but now its stable. On the other hand I suppose if might be relative to the instance you joined?
There always some issues. It was unusable a couple days ago for me. Whilst I can tolerate it for now, that’s a huge barrier for people especially newcomers.
Lemmy isn't overloaded. Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml are.
People need to move to other instances. Lemmy was never designed to have main central instances. There are supposed to be many smaller and more specific ones and people choose the ones that fit their usage.
Yes and no. Bigger servers can see more posts and communities on other servers because of how the federation works. I have an account on a small instance and an account on lemmy.world, and my All feed has way more content on lemmy.world. I've also run into issues finding and subscribing to communities on the small instance.
If you're on a large instance, there's a much higher chance that someone else has searched for the community you're looking for already and the server knows about it.
Less technical users aren't going to understand any of this.
Unlike Reddit, where no users have ever seen a message that said "you broke Reddit" with a sad snoo...
Reddit is also not 100% stable; Lemmy is just experiencing growing pains. Here's to hoping it only gets better
That's a problem especially with lemmy.world . They took the brunt of the Reddit migration and had to massively adjust their servers to accommodate the influx of users and communities. Other instances have been more stable
Basic shit like linking to comments doesn't even work on the website, let alone the apps. If I click the link icon on your post, it links to the top comment to it instead. Clicking Show Context on that page also does nothing.
Sadly, there's just not a critical mass of users in most of the communities I'm interested in. I pop in here every once in a while to see what's going on, but it's currently lacking the diversity of content that you get on Reddit. I'm still rooting for it to succeed.
there were 3-4ish communities on that other site that i was pretty active in that are ghost towns here and there is a zero to none chance that they will migrate over. i still go over there for those communities.
that said, for the mindless amusement/newsanddoom scroll lemmy is fine and i do find myself more active here in the general community. it's just those niche communities haven't hit the numbers they need to be self-sustaining.
“Chart go down” isn’t necessarily bad.
For example, this could be due to general disinterest, or it could be from troll removal/defederation too, no?
With the fediverse known for its opposition to infinite growth, this feels ironic
What opposition? I see folks complaining about excessive size of individual instances (mostly out of concern that power imbalances could develop), but basically nothing against the growth of the network as a whole.
I think the "infinite growth" here is referring to our expectations of some systems we use growing infinitely, even when the system itself is bounded by finite terms, such as population or hype.
For example, US Social Security works on the assumption that there are more people working and inputting money into it (via payroll taxes) than retired people taking money out. That assumption requires a growing (or at least very stable) working population, as a shrinking working population means that there will be more people taking money out than there are people putting money in. This growth, inevitably, will have to stop at some point. However, many retired people expect, and in some cases financially rely on, Social Security giving them money.
A large portion of the Fediverse have expressed their disdain for such systems, and molave here is finding it ironic that they'd expect this platform to infinitely grow, as well. The initial hype from the whole Reddit shenanigans are dying off, and the platform will soon stabilize, at least until Reddit pisses off its users again.
Maybe it's just my feelings but conversations and participation is booming. I rather a small and active community than a millions of users who lurk.
Communities are getting seeded so when next wave comes, we will be ready. Build decentralized economy won't happen over night.
It's natural progression once initial hype wears off. As long we manage to keep core amount of users it should grow slowly over time.
Here! I'm another active user!
same here ;)
annoying that only posts and comments count :/ I'm your classic lurker and up/downvoter
It's way better than the relative numbers of Threads. I expect a decline of active users, since a lot of Reddit users registered to a Lemmy instance expecting a similar experience that couldn't be fulfilled. It will stabilize and grow up again with peaks when, for example, old.reddit.com is ditched.
It’s normal. Chill. Not like Threads that lost 80% of its active users.
The big problem with lemmy is that some niche communities did not migrated so when you Look for example for fairphone news you Look to reddit beacuse lemmy dosent have equivalent. Likewise i havent seen something similar to r/tailsof.
You know the niche communities that were the bread and bucket of reddit with the few exceptions ( programers and Linux communities fully migrated and are obviusly standing out beacuse those pepole are always first to move to opensource alternatives )
The niche wil grow with the userbase, very niche things cannot be sustained with the amount of interested people.
It must grow organically, you cannot force it
Adding onto that, the quality of Reddit content [in my former subreddits] has slid dramatically in my opinion. Sure, those niche communities will exist and persist for a while. But, as more tech pros move to the Fediverse I have to imagine that is where a lot of information will reside going forward. Hopefully it becomes or remains discoverable. I get some glimmers of this happening with the various Steam Deck communities here. It is already happening with the various programming communities.
I think a far more likely thing to happen is that you get people scrapping the Fediverse for content to repost on Reddit, like what happens with Facebook and Instagram users scraping TikTok for content to repost. Social networks these days seem surprisingly sticky now that it isn't just a place where all your friends are at.
I was an early Reddit adopter and can remember how lonely it felt back then. It took years but it got better in ways and worse in others. I believe in Lemmy because it isn't susceptible to the pressures of a company trying to be profitable. Sure it'll have its own challenges but I've personally had enough of idiot CEOs running social websites into the ground.
So...maybe karma court can be brought from where it's dead. It made fun reading.
The novelty has worn off. Contributions are going to fall to the baseline for this platform. Question is, is the Lemmy space going to expand from that point?
Lemmy put my 1st post here
Lemmy has already hit equilibrium as far as I'm concerned if your on lemmy world I suggest changing instances my instance midwest.social was down alot in the beginning when lemmy was getting alot of new sign ups but has since then been updated a few times and been rock solid since now it only occasionally goes down for maintenance
I hopped instances a couple of times (and it's a little annoying that there is no simple way to migrate subscriptions), but so far I'm happy with sh.itjust.works because that's what it does. I also feel like it defederelizes less aggressively than other instances, with some I was almost surprised by all the content that I couldn't access.
I think that app choice makes a difference, too. I would guess that most people on mobile picked one or two apps to try, and if their picks weren't great (or the user was too impatient to wait for improvements) they called the whole experience shitty and bailed. Those of us committed to the move hung on and waited for our apps to get better.
In my case, I grabbed every ios app I could find and tried them all. Some were not so good, some were good and improving at a lightning rate. Living through those growing pains is worth it to me, especially when the improvements are crazy fast. I'm mostly using Memmy now, and I'm really happy with it. I only have one tiny, unimportant issue with it involving text selection, but it's nothing compared to how good they've made this app so quickly. Memmy is a large part of why I stick around.
I tried only Jerboa and that's what I stuck with. It loads fast and has every feature I want. Compare that to the official Reddit app, which is a slog on even high end devices. Seriously, what are they doing that it loads SO SLOW?
If you have the opportunity now, download Sync for reddit. It's out now and it's a wonderful experience!
This is an expected statistical artifact given the "last month" aggregation and a huge influx of new users of which many don't stick around. I am saying they don't stick around, because that's generally just what happens with a lot of new users (e.g. they checked it out, decided it's not for them) and also due to the federated nature they might have switched accounts and similar things.
Then the bit about "last month" aggregation: Have a look at the "Active 6 months" graph - it's still trending upwards. Those are likely a trailing average aggregations, so a maximum is reached when that 1-month-window starts (roughly) at the beginning of the huge user influx. For the 6-month window that hasn't happened yet, so still going upwards.
Assuming nothing changes (similar amount of new/leaving active users) the graphs gonna be interesting in the next few weeks: After the initial wave of influx the balance was most likely negative (more users from "the wave" dropping out again than added users afterwards), however I'd hope it's gotten positive since then. If that's the case the graph should start trending upwards 1 month after the balance became positive. It's unclear when that was the case, but some towards end of July might be a reasonable guess? The same graph with a smaller window could shed some light on that (or just expose useless noise ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ).
Another sign I'd consider good: The active user ratio is trending upwards.
Disclaimer: I don't know how the data is aggregated, nor how exactly "active" is defined - the gist of the above very likely applies though. I was too lazy to look it up in the code - if someone knew how these graphs are aggregated and were so kind to let me know, that'd be appreciated :)
As a new user, I kind of can’t get over the idea that bots just seem to scrape links and repost them here.
That seems to be most of the contributions to communities to me.
Unpopular opinion: bots might be a good thing for now.
I’m speaking from a growth perspective. Assuming users want to use social media to…socialize… you need active users and constant content. New social media platforms have a lack of users and content. Bots can bridge that gap until enough users are contributing and using the platform.
If you really think about it, it comes down to a platform using bots effectively. Let’s say the bots will only submit content when user submitted content falls below a threshold. Maybe it will auto generate threads for breaking news.
What if bots are used to ask questions and further conversations, like a social lubricant. Employed in a way to pull more useful information from users or to keep people engaged.
This all hinges on the ability for a bot to appear real.
This sounds super fucked when you think about it. I’m not a fan of bot content. If you didn’t know it was a bot, what difference would it make? LLM might be able to make it engaging and natural.
Imho that's a horrible idea. A large part of content on the instance I'm on has become bots just reposting news articles without any own contribution, no discussion, nothing.
I would also note that some instances with the ml ending like fmhy.ml got wiped out of existence a few weeks ago because Malaysia forcefully took back that domain suffix back. I was on there and had to make a new account elsewhere after I saw it wasn't going to come back up.
Mali*, not Malaysia. Malaysia's TLD is .my
*Mali
Mali, not Malaysia, which has the .my suffix.
Could be something to do with frequent outages. Every now and then I will have error jump out. I then give up for a day and then try using tomorrow.
Once Boost for Lemmy releases, 10, 000% growth will occur over the coming weeks afterward 😉 (IYKYK)
Sync is already out and their user base is higher than boost
The number of users are just stabilising. This is expected after a sudden spike in users.
It is expected that there are corrections in numbers after a huge spike.
The bigger goal will be to sustain this community.
Thats the case for most new platforms you get a surge of users and then some titer off and stop using the platform. But don't look at the small dip look at the massive growth compared to a few months ago.
Being new to Mastodon and Lemmy I personally struggle to figure things out.
Just finding a brief summary on how Lemmy works in contrast to reddit has, so far, yielded no helpful results.
While I think for me this is just a matter of sticking with the services I can imagine that a lot of people would check in, struggle and check out again.
The, let's call it infrastructure, of Lemmy and the way registration works due to the fediverse is quite different to what most people are used to.
For me it's the lack of content that is killing Lemmy. It's just not nearly as entertaining here as it was on Reddit. I know the community isn't the same size so it isn't comparable really, but it's just the same content here day after day.
I will admit, I was hard into Lemmy at first, but then gradually slipped back into the Reddit habit. This is my first visit to the site in a few weeks.
I could see myself doing the same, but I only browse mobile. Without a decent app, it's just not happening.
However, Lemmy now feels like the super early days of Reddit and I don't want to give that up.
Just real conversations, normal comments, none of the repeated Reddit jokes in every thread, and minimal right wing trolling
I've been dipping on both. What gets me more there are niche stuff though.
Still a massive increase compared to a few months ago.
I feel like it's one small community instead of an interconnected larger one, unfortunately.
This is normal. We've gotten a big enough surge where we have consistent content now. Lemmy was a bit rough when the migration started, but hopefully improvements will go a lot faster now. We're definitely missing a lot of core features and polish still. But Lemmy is a long term social network that is grass roots. All we need to worry about is creating a sustainable community now, and polish up the experience to newcomers so we can sustain the next exodus and be more of a viable platform.
@LambLeeg I swear we have this this at least a copule or few months of someone getting anxious there's a sight dip of active user on the Fediverse and eventually it goes up again.
I woudn't worry too much about the graph and just try to vibe here instead.. 🤷♂️
The very gentle slope towards normalization is quite good, actually.
Number of active users slightly dips after exponential growth, surely the platform is dying, lets run around in circles and scream that the sky is falling.
Why don't we, instead, sacrifice u/spez to the gods, so they have mercy of us?
Just like a whale, scraping off barnacles, for greater speed and efficiency
I couldn't figure out how to log on here with my other Fediverse creds. Rather than, like, Google or something? I just created new accounts for each instance. I'd say it's a boon for anonymity, but I used the same username, soooo
You dont login you accses this via you home instance
As of right now you can't access the "front page" of each instance, so that would be a valid reason to retain several accounts (among many other perfectly valid reasons).
How you go to different servers is just by subscribing or following a link to a community hosted on another server. So !Canada@lemmy.ca is hosted on lemmy.ca instead of lemmy.world, but if you follow it on a web browser you might notice it takes you to https://lemmy.world/c/canada@lemmy.ca
this way you haven't "left" lemmy.world, lemmy.ca has no access to your credentials but you can make a post or comment there which is shared with lemmy.ca who posts it for everyone who connects to lemmy.ca to see.
Interesting data considering the climbing daily post/comment(?) numbers I saw yesterday.
At least there's something to do here. Mastodon almost always feels like a ghost town to me. I only really keep it on my home screen because I like the icon.
it can very much depend on your instance, do you look at the 'all' option and or do you just stay on your instance?
All/New was the only way you could get an entirely new feed a couple times a day.
There was still some lore and beefs between servers (like with wolfballz, a right wing community taken down for hatespeech, or hexbear that became incompatible and headed their own way). Feddit.de has a still a bunch of old federated servers cached that came into and went out of existence.
Between Lemmy.ca (I joined there in March) and Beehaw, there were 10 people posting regularly as in a handful of posts a day. Lemmy.ml had a mix of general news and user "Yogthos" posting pro-China news/propaganda.
It was a quiet but nice little place. The admins running the instance would often be quick to reply and give you detailed answers whenever you needed them. Now many have their plate full with moderation actions and keeping their site up.
!Programmerhumor@lemmy.ml was one of the first communities to me that seemed based off a Reddit subreddit theme.
We knew the change winds were coming, slowly at first in May, then suddenly exploded after May 30th. Beehaw grew from 700 users to 14000 in less than two weeks (during the time the Reddit protest was being organized). That was a crazy change for Fediverse people, new people everywhere, minor trolls popping here and there, Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works being born, admins working overtime to accept new members. All very exciting.
Second half of June there was some trouble. Beehaw defederated because they couldn't keep up with moderating users from instances with open signup processes (and I suspect it was triggered by a troll making a hateful post about his dick on the LGBTQ sub).
Then there was a torrent of accounts made on some instances that originally had one or two users. They had no comments or posts and had a username with a random word and a bunch of numbers. All of a sudden the instances with the "most users" were these completely inactive instances.
CAPTCHA was better implemented, and dbzero helped create a filter to monitor and defederate instances with hugely disproportionate number of accounts compared to activity.
I will use Lemmy more when Sync will fix hiding posts. And no, I'm not gonna use "remove read"
People on vacation in July and august too maybe ? Might have a slight rebound later
A platform can always be improved, always. Lemmy is alpha software now and the growing problems we had in the beginning may have annoyed some users.
I think the most important thing is to keep making improvements to attract new users. I'm already finding the content infinitely better than it was a month ago.
Doing my part...
Thank fuck, I was worried my hosting bills were going to keep escalating... xD
Yeah cuz the shot is down constantly. I have 2 apps and one usually doesn't work.
Still better at retaining its users than Threads.
I can use Lenny with Lenny sync on my phone without issue but when I try to use my browser on my laptop I can't login. It's the same instance, save credentials.
Lurker mainly but looking to get more involved!
I mentioned this in another thread but I think it's regression to the mean
Its actually very good
We'll see how it goes, hopefully it keeps growing, but a user loss seems to be quite common after the initial wave of new users for new platforms
Lemmy didn’t take off like all my other moves and that’s ok. Can’t stand what Reddit stands for. I won’t ever contribute there but I’m forced to visit to get commentary I need to see on the war and other niche topics.
The robots have filled the content problem but not the commentary problem. And no, I don’t want bot commentary.
Been posting on masto since lemmy.world keeps getting outages. New posts seem infrequent on the sorting algorithms. I'm sure once the hardware hiccups die down it will stabilize
The number of posts per day keeps growing though.
A good part of that can be explained by the low time resolution of the graph. 1 month.
Let's assume 1 month ago, 100 new people signed up. Let's say 20 of those made a comment or post, which is the requirement to be counted as an active user.
Many of those 100 didn't stay for various reasons. Of the 20 'active' users, only 15 were coming back the next day.
But the graph still counts 20 active users for a whole month. Only 1 month after a user last commented or posted, this user is no longer counted as 'active'. So now we see a drop of -5 (all numbers made up).
I think it's perfectly normal that not everyone who signs up makes a post or comment. And that not everyone who tries out something new will stick around the next day, or the next week.
With a large number of new signups, which we had in the last months, it can be expected that another a large number is only active for a short time. Due to the low resolution, we probably see what happened 1 month ago.
Well I'm here and I like it. So there.
To be expected. I like it but it's still quite an immature platform overall. There's lots to be done to make it easier for an average user.
Sync's already had over 10k downloads, but the ability to post (apart from comments) hasn't yet been added. Once that happens I imagine there'll be a decent spike.
I feel like that is more or less to be expected. A ton of people found Lemmy during the reddit protests. Now that the protests are gone and Lemmy has had its growing pains some users are leaving, going back to reddit or other places. If we keep using it and making content users will grow organically.
Lemmy is having an identity crisis of sorts. It was built to be decentralized yet we (users) seem to want to centralize everything and we all go to a few of the largest instances.
I don’t think it’s about a craving for centralisation but for newcomers and people still learning the core ideas about decentralisation it’s about a promise of more active engagement and more varied content.
And FOMO. New users gravitate towards the large instances because they think they will miss content, not knowing they can easily access said content on any instance as long as it hasn't defederated from them.
I’m barely seeing any content at all, I often see a post click on the community and it shows either 2 other posts and nothing else or nothing at all. It constantly seems like the majority of posts just disappear into the void.
It is much much more of a pain to access content on small instances where it hasn't synced yet. It means visiting those larger instances anyway to check if it's worth subscribing to communities. And then trying to actually subscribe is a lesson in patience while it gives you no search results and errors out if you try to visit an unsynced community directly.
Of course it's not about centralisation per se, but the problems that a centralised platform does not have to deal with.
Because decentralization, at least as it is now, runs counter to what people are looking for in a social media platform; mainly discoverability.
Does it though? My instance has very little locally, but if I browse 'All' it really isn't any different than being on any other instance, even a big one.
You are only shown what your server has stored. Your server only stores what people of your instance have subscribed to. If you visit bogger instances, they all have different Hot feeds, because each server pulls different content. There is no one way to see what is going on in all of the fediverse. You are only ever shown a part.
Sure but above a certain user count, your instance will usually have at least one subscriber to just about every active community. (I may have used a bot to help this process....)
It's not that users want to centralize everything. It's Lemmy's design that promotes it, because despite federation, there are still advantages to choosing big instances and communities.
This is the big one to me. It's much more difficult to search for specific content if it's isolated amongst communities on different servers, all trying to fill the same niche and splitting the potential userbase for said niche up between them.
If there was like a tag system in place that communities could use to tag themselves as being for a specific thing, like cooking, for example, and then you could aggregate/search posts from all communities under the cooking tag across all servers federated with yours, it would greatly simplify finding content for less tech literate users while also increasing the resilience of the entire network by allowing more communities for a specific niche to exist, which would prevent content loss if one server goes down without discoverability being an issue.
It's hard to find instances that offer what world offers, so I get it.
OTOH, I ended up moving or handing over most of my communities that I had created on world because this instance is TOO popular and bogged down all the time. Plus, they make arbitrary and drastic decisions without discussion on matters like defederation and often banning. It's smart to go to a smaller instance but it's also risky because any instance could go down at any moment. That's why many of my communities are duplicated (across world and infosec) because it would be devastating to lose all of those quality links and engagement.
You also don't have the content of Reddit. It doesn't take too long to scroll through all top six hours and get to the single digits of upvotes.
Kinda cozy though, if you pay attention you kinda see who's active.
Like you, only user on my instance who has more comments than me.
How do you think I got so much karma on Reddit?
If Lemmy gets significantly larger we gotta figure out how to make our own CC
Right now private communities aren't really possible.
There are a lot of parts of Lemmy that are rough around the edges or aren't there at all. Hopefully it improves over time, especially as new front end apps can free developers to focus on the back end, but we'll see.
I think more people need to make communities they are interested in that might already exist on beehaw/lemmy.world/lemmy.ml/etc but on other instances. We really need to not keep everything on a few instances… I agree it contradicts itself. I tried by creating fallout but hard to get activity. Even its main community is quiet so that makes sense. I might try something a bit less niche.
It's that everyone wants to create the same community on different instances.
I think there is a gap in understanding how Lemmy works and how it differs from reddit, in particular with the less technical crowd. We definitely don't want people sharing giant instances, but that matches more with the sign up for reddit, use reddit logic many people are used to.
I think it's also why we have seen such drama over Sync for Lemmy and its ads and pricing. To the techy crowd that was the majority of Lemmy users, that all seems antithetical to what Lemmy is and how it works. To the people who came to Lemmy from reddit, and especially those who may have tried out Lemmy because of Sync, the criticism sounds maddening because that's the way it always worked on reddit.
So in some sense all of this is expected. Lemmy will lose some users, but maybe it will find an equilibrium. The key focus these days imho should be outreach about smaller instances, and outreach about donating to your instance (if you can) to keep it running.
I like the idea of federated social media platforms conceptually, but ai absolutely want to make my home on the largest instances. That's just an artifact of how I use social media, though, I always gravitate towards the busiest platforms because interacting with so many people is the real joy of it.
That doesn't seem weird to me. Honestly it seems weird that it's that active. I would've expected a sharper, quicker decline. Retaining active users is hard.
Exactly. Users who are involved in extremely niche communities will probably not find a place on Lemmy/Kbin yet. In 2008, reddit was the same. The politics subreddit only had 50,000 subscribers.
It's all about momentum. The more users we have, the more engagement in niche communities, the more it'll attract and retain users.
And loads of people hear the buzz, try it out and leave when they grow bored. I think the reason for the downward spike not being worse is that the threshold to take part in Lemmy communities is higher than many social media sites, and invested time registering makes people more likely to stay.
Just to chime in, please correct me if I’m wrong, but Lemmy only counts activity as someone who’s posting or commenting (citation needed), so as more people go back to their old ways of lurking, activity will drop as browsing isn’t counted as activity
Why I'm encouraging anyone who will listen to participate in their fledgling niche communities here. Even if it's just a little bit.
One can simply lurk on the niche subreddits. Growing fediverse communities need active participation.
Lemmy is a much closer analog to Reddit than Mastodon is for Twitter. While Mastodon has similar basic functionality to Twitter, it lacks a lot of the features that make it easy to find new content and new people to follow.
Pair that with some very polished third-party mobile reddit apps with large, loyal followings transitioning to Lemmy and it became way easier to abandon reddit for Lemmy than it was to leave Twitter for Mastodon. I'm a huge open source supporter, but the average user doesn't care about FOSS or open source software. They want something that looks nice and just works.
Truer words were never said.
I got super frustrated with Mastodon because of this. I've tried a couple of instances with no luck. And hilariously, I have to think that the furry folks are either having the same problem finding a home, or they are stalking me, because everywhere I move, shortly after, a ton of furries appear and do introductions. Furry stuff is not my thing, but I can appreciate how they might have a hard time finding a good place to settle.
Am I being retained?!??
I'm actively lurking, I just have nothing of value to share 🌝
I feel like people just want to hang out and talk about stuff. We don't always need to be wowed by some crazy high quality content or new OC. We just want to hang out with friends and shoot the shit. Most of us are on here to distract us from whatever bullshit we should probably be doing instead.
At least it's less likely for your boss to find you here on the Fediverse.
Just emphasizing my upvote on your comment through my comment.
To be honest, I do the same thing. A couple of simple rules to keep the web entertaining:
Yeah it took a long time for me to finally curate Reddit to something I enjoyed using, I've started increasingly working on my filters and it just gets better and better here.
Like Reddit, I find trying to find communities I'm interested in a little difficult so I'm just defaulting to all and continuing to filter for now. At some point soon I'll be able to just default to subscribed.
there's always something of value to share at least on c/lemmyshitpost
Yup. Exactly.
Some dropoff after initial hype is normal. Now we just continue as usual until reddit pisses people off again.
There are also conscious efforts to weed out bots and other measures that try to remove potential cancer from spreading.
There was a post recently that outlined bot weeding efforts on a couple dozen instances that tanked user number by something like 1/5 - clearly visible on graphs.
Lemmy’s doing great. Even if plenty small communities are still not big enough here.
Well, to keep a user is way harder than to attract his attention.
I think that the key differences between this platform(s) and the more known alternatives are part of the problem - people are very dumb these days and lazy. Often the first reaction to something new and not working in the expected way is to skip it, or demand the solution, rather than look around, try different approach and such.
I feel like I'm witnessing Diaspora 2.0 effect...
Yes, most people give up as soon as something does not work first time.
Maybe there are enough of us to be enough abd to fix those annoying little things that make lemmy complicated to use.
A lot if issues got resolved, apps are here,it is getting better fast.
I doubt it - too many people with different preferences they aren't willing to let go, I'm afraid.
If you're asking me, it's "good enough" the way it is. I'd gladly have some more content filters, but even without them I perceive it as a platform with enough potential to consider it good.
I think those issues will be solved though. Apps will increasingly make onboarding simpler so Lemmy will be as simple to use as Reddit.
At that point really its just a case of waiting for Reddit to fuck itself, which it absolutely will do eventually via corporate greed, and there we go, all the Lemmy content anyone could ever need.
I don't think Reddit will fall, sadly.
It harbors too many people, who go there for a specific content and don't care about the internal dramas, or who leads the place and what he thinks about the userbase. In addition... Eh, it hosted Obama, Arnold, plenty of actors, celebrities.
My assumption is that it will simply evolve into something different, but no less popular.
After all, Facebook was caught redhanded on such abominable practices that it should be burnt to a crisp long time ago, and yet it's still there, led by that automaton, what'shisname...
I think I am on shitjustworks.. i don’t know how big my instance is I just chose it because it has a cool name.
It has gone down a few times and at first my reaction was to go to is it down dot com to see if the problem was with my app… but then I had the realization that ohhhh, it’s just my home server is down… I thought about making a separate account on another instance but instead just decided to do something else with those few minutes I would have spent here….
No big deal…. It’s happened a few times in the couple months I’ve been here, but it always works eventually… I really like this platform, and the philosophy behind it, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to understand all the inner workings and how the instances work together, but I don’t feel like I need to.
But I can see how people who understand it even less than I do might get frustrated and so that is going to be a limiting factor with new growth here I would assume…
I’m just here because I like the pretty 3rd party apps.
One thing that bugs me is people asking for/using tools that replicate the look and feel of Reddit instead of learning the ropes. I left Reddit, I don't want another one. I get it, familiarity is comforting, but when the user base is a fraction of the other platform, no UI or app will ever give you the same experience. I say move on, get out of your comfort zone and participate.
Amen to that.
I don't imagine staying on some site that resembles a drowning wreck, because "I got used to how things work here".
I'm to tired to make quality posts. Props to the people that can do that every day. Best I got is a few mildly opinionated comments.
Even lurkers are still part of the community.
I started out looking for an exact replacement for Reddit (where I mostly lurk). Initially I thought the lack of content and traffic on Lemmy was a bad thing, but I now see it as early days of a community and lack of content means I have a chance to make a post or comment that is valued and gets engagement from other users. Reddit was so mature that anything I wanted to post was either already there, not welcome or buried under an ocean of other content/comments. If you use both you could even find good content on Reddit to crosspost on Lemmy.
It's quite nice being part of a small community now. Even just an up/down vote from you will be worth more here. It's great.
I try to comment when I can. Even if it's not insightful. A small compliment keeps a community going.
Hell small compliments keep people going let alone an abstract sense of community
You guys are doing great!
I try to browse and upvote in new also
Get out of my head!
Thanks for pointing that out! High quality content takes time to craft. It's being skilled and/or knowledgable, being able to convey that across on a digital platform (where basically everyone's anonymous and of unknown backgrounds), and being engaging while you're at it. It definitely can be demanding for some.
I'm not too worried. Graphs dont only go up. :)
Graps are delicious and I love the wins they make.
:) I erased any evidence of any misspelling that may or may not have taken place here tonight.
FYI, Lemmy doesn’t count lurkers as active users. Here’s how Lemmy counts active users:
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
This alone will make a huge difference with other platforms that will hide that info under seven wraps an report any and all accounts as active users.
Reddit with their "subscriber" counts
Who cares your community has 100000 subs. 90000 of them are duplicates or gone.
I really just want to lurk.
Also, this graph does not take into account kbin which is essentially the same kind of software as lemmy but tracked seperately. Better data can be found here: https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
Also, instance hopping and users registering on multiple instances before picking only one/being active on only once may be an explanation.
Also worth noting is Lemmy only counts posts/comments as "active users". Lurkers who only read and up/downvote aren't counted.
That's interesting, I would expect people who vote to be accounted
Me as well. I only remember this because around July 1st there was a post about it, which lead to a wave of "doing my part by posting my daily comment to count as an active user"-comments.
wow, I lurk so much more than I post stuff.. one would think they would track this
I think this is the biggest factor. Most people only lurk. How many people signed up and only lurk?
At least 2.
So true. This is straight from Lemmy’s documentation:
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
In this case, I have a theory. I remember a month ago people were posting a lot on Reddit and the !reddit@lemmy.ml community was extremely active. It was like group therapy for refugees. But now the new reality is setting in and people are actually having real and meaningful conversations, which means more lurkers.
So it doesn't mean that active users are down per se, it's just that it's stabilised because people are mostly over Reddit.
Absolutely, and also keep in mind that many who were lurkers on Reddit and came over here maybe made one or two comments immediately saying something like "Happy to be on Lemmy!" and then went back to lurking here and haven't commented since. They would have counted as monthly active users for July, but not August.
Lemmy.world has been down a lot, I've been trying to use it but half the times I've logged on it's been down. So that might be part of it?
Between lemmy.world and sync having issues I almost went on reddit. Then I remembered this is the fediverse, jerboa and lemm.ee exist and I'm back and more active than ever.
I think it's mostly lemmy.world issue, since (for some reason) is Sync's default, instead of suggesting smaller instances.
For real.
Don't you have an account on another instance? Lemmy.world was down a bit that one time. Lemmy.ca was down once briefly for me due to site maintenance.
What are the best instances to have an account? I'm new to lemmy and just have lemmy world.
I have a second account on lemdro.id. It's smaller and mostly android focused but its my main account most days. If world is having issues I don't even think about it I just switch over 😂
Is there a way to export and import subscriptions between accounts?
I'm not sure why they're not using elastic servers. Maybe because of the cost. Idk how Lemmy server dudes get their money, but it can be expensive running a server with 5-7 million visitors per month.
As a lurker I mostly just vote. But gotta post every once in a while to add to active users stat!
I don’t know why, but it never occurred to me that you need to comment to be counted as “active”
Is this actually written somewhere?
I would have thought votes would count as a unique interaction to count towards being active
A stat for logged in users would be nice.
Yeah same, well here's my active status for the month.
No worries, Lemmy is alive. Lemmy and Fediverse in general is better to grow organically.
quality over quantity
There's also people that create multiple accounts in different instances and end up using just one.
I did this. I didn't initially realize there is such a thing as instances (I thought I was joining Lemmy). Came from Reddit so didn't expect this. Now I only use my Lemmy.world account, the other one is doing nothing (should probably get around deleting it at some point).
For some the novelty of lemmy dropped pretty quickly. Most reddit users which make up a huge chunk of lemmy users would go days if not, weeks without commenting or posting. You kinda have to factor in that a lot of people are lemmy lurkers that will comment or post once they find something that interests them.
Also in my case I made several alts in the beginning (because I couldn't decide on an instance and I like to have backups for when an instance is down).
Other users probably did the same, which results in a bunch of inactive accounts.
I have accounts on 5 different instances.
I pretty much only use two of them. A third one sees occasional use when sh.itjust.works is having problems, but that's about it.
That's me. I never interacted much on Reddit, so I'm trying to get in the habit of doing so now.
I'm generally a lurker so here. I posted.
Me too. Gotta keep them numbers up though.
Indeed. Up they go.
Okay okay, I'll join you in commenting.
Lemmy needs a middle logical layer to really take off. If a local server moderats it as such, the default view for say /c/technology shouldn't be slit across a dozen instances. Instead it should be merged into one view.
Without it you have a bunch of largely stagnant communities.
What would be better is if similar Lemmy communities could, by mutual agreement, "federate" so that all posts show up regardless of which community someone is viewing. So if you were looking at lemmy.world/c/technology, you'd also see posts lemmy.ml/c/technology if they "federated" (probably a better term to use to avoid confusion with the fediverse in general, but that's the one that came to mind).
It might be a good feature/option of a frontend to automatically aggregate same-name communities across federated servers. Bogus actors would either be downvoted or defederated off the feed.
Lemmy pretty much just needs tags. Like you can mark your different "technology" communities with the tag "technology" and a user can subscribe to this tag to view all posts from whatever communities have this tag (and they don't have to call themselves strictly just "technology")
Something like that I would imagine so no direct interaction between communities required.
It's this plus uptime. Both come down to usability. Nobody wants to use a product that is confusing or unreliable.
Only Lemmy.world really has issues with uptime
Yeah, Lemmy excels at both those things.
I am not leaving unlesa somehow reddit pays me to go back to it. I am a man of conviction. I went back just because i got a notification of someone replying. Other than that, that's it. I am staying here whether this takes off or not
I believe a lot of the new users' influx was knee-jerk reaction towards it. Then people calmed down and went back to their old habits, leaving the fediverse with millions of dead accounts.
I enjoyed being a mod to a helpful community tho - but no, I'm no longer working for free so that spez can shine in the stock market: that's exactly who I'm not, exactly against all my values.
The internet has changed so much.
I don't understand why people have expectations from a young platform like it's supposed to be the new reddit/facebook all of a sudden. I lived through the digg->reddit move and believe me, it was worse than what we see on lemmy sometimes. Let it grow and it will have a chance. Offer help when you think some communities aren't correctly moderated or when you think you have better ideas. People usually will try to help (not all the time).
It maybe comes from an all or nothing mentality. I would have tremendous Schadenfreude if Reddit does indeed die, but the culture there changed and I don't really care if all of Reddit migrated here. As long as Lemmy is active enough, I am content.
Only reason I would browse Reddit was because of the vast amount of information linked and posted to it. Given enough time and engagement from the Internet as a whole Lemmy will be bigger and better than reddit. We'll get there but it needs everybody's help.
I will say I'm already twice as active on Lemmy than I was on Reddit 🥳
I'm sticking with it for now. Reddit can piss off. The Spez shit was just the last straw for me after a lot of other disappointing shit in recent times.
Same. That plus the constant lying. They always remove something and then say "we're working on something better" and that's the last you ever hear of it. They're disgusting liars.
Losing active users is normal. Same thing happened on mastodon over the years. A wave of people would join, then slowly leave again. Many of them would stick though.
Lemmy is incredibly active imo ^^
Some people might have made multiple accounts and chosen one possibly?
I did it too. I had like 4 or 5 accounts and used 2 or 3 actively until recently if my main instance went down. Now I'm just using 1.
I'm moving to lemm.ee personally for similar reasons. I'm keeping the dotworld account as backup and may be creating communities here.
My guess is a lot of people came in saw that Lemmy was kinda dead a lot of the time but suspected it would continue to grow so they left it temporarily to go back to reddit while they waited for Lemmy to catch up
Yeah i did something similar, though mostly bc i was confused about the whole instance thing. Made three or four accounts over the first few days. I kept forgetting the password, or didn't really understand what an instance meant, or how to log on via Connect. Now that's done with, I just stick to one account
This is me. I bounced between a couple of instances before I settled on lemm.ee; I also am generally a lurker because I don't want to comment or post unless I know that it will generate quality conversation.
I'll personally post as long as it's relevant. Ideally it's an interesting comment but not always. I stay away from reddit-type inane comments with no substance, though I'm sure they have their place here as well.
Dude I was away on vacation chill. :-)
New users join, some leave, but the ones who stay are active. Lemmy feels very alive and that's what matters.
"Image of a frog inhaling copium"
Reddit is going to keep trying dumb methods to monetize or annoy their user base. Digg did a similar thing. The people will slowly get more and more annoyed and the content here will increase. It’s just a waiting game and federated services are the future.
Ads are coming. (Well, more ads.)
Old.Reddit will be killed too. I know they said it’s not going anywhere but they have shown to be full of shit in the past.
Sites like reddit, Instagram, and twitter make the cognitive effort to go from signing up to using the app as low as possible. The users' experience is considered from before they even have an account. They make sure you don't ever see a blank page or feel like you're battling the app to find content.
Lemmy actively puts roadblocks in the way. Server choices, the hoops you need to jump though for server memberships, and highly fragmented communities all but ensure that people will face issues when signing up.
Sadly, a lot of users here feel that because they had to overcome them, so should everyone else. Until that changes then the self-defeating cycle will continue.
They really really need to do something about the confusing account creation process. Most people ended up on Lemmy.world because they assumed that that was the site you had to use. They were never directed to other instances.
What they need to do is have a lemmy.com website and when you create an account on it it just creates an account on a random semi-popular reliable instance. To spread load. If everyone uses the same platform then the robustness of the platform goes away and we are essentially back to a single point of failure. But now in a more complicated manner.
We're getting there, still in the very early stages here. One thing I've noticed is how extremely techy the initial community here was, something I personally collided with like a bit of a wrecking ball. People in general, not just techy people, tend to assume others will approach things similarly to how they naturally do. So they don't necessarily always see problems that others might stumble over, ahead of time.
Now that we've started growing more rapidly, these problems of scale, where they now have to anticipate problems they did not have to anticipate before, all are coming due. So, growing pains.
This is why I have not been inviting people to Lemmy yet, I've been waiting until it's more polished for the mainstream. It's also why the graph is trending down. We're literally not ready yet for the mainstream, in many, many different ways.
Also useful to remember, we're only done getting big growth spikes if spez is done pissing off reddit. I doubt he is.
For the last month and a half, I have not used reddit at all. Lemmy has most of the communities that I was a part of.
But I get that, some niche subreddits still don't have communities here on lemmy. A few of my friends, stopped using lemmy because it didn't have the subs they were active in.
Those of us still using Reddit should casually name-drop Lemmy to remind people they have an alternative. If you make a reddit post put a link to the Lemmy post too
I want my active Starfield, The Wire, and The West Wing communities, but not bad enough to use reddit's app. If I could easily use it just as a website I probably would, but that experience sucks.
It'll hit equilibrium eventually. Not like this is something unusual for a platform that's making the rounds as the new and exciting thing.
Might as well post here as my first one. Hi, Lemmy. :)
My biggest issue is that at least two out of three times I go to browse/post/comment on lemmy.world, the server is down. I have no clue the actual up time, maybe I am just unlucky. But I am considering migrating my main account to another server.
My alt's server has never experienced this much issue. Hopefully the devs add a migrate function.
I alternate between beehaw and lemmy.ca, and this way I have almost no downtime, if lemmy.ca goes down (it does so very rarely) , I just switch to the beehaw temporarily to lurk
That's what's stopped me commenting too, Jerboa allows me to type out a whole comment then I lose it when I got post if the server is down. I am Australian though and recently learnt that the LW team have no-one who lives in this timezone so I can hardly blame em!
Joined today. I’ll likely just lurk in the background…
They said while commenting...
Because you like numbers i reply. Now it's going up by one active user
This comment, I felt a call to it, like I need to comment: now by two active users.
And my axe
I'm doing my part!
I'm mostly a lurker and rarely comment or post
Numbers good
The problem with lemmy is that it's not 100% stable. I like it more than Reddit but at least 20% of time lemmy is overloaded, down, not refreshing or else.
I haven't had that problem at all. Maybe a month ago, but now its stable. On the other hand I suppose if might be relative to the instance you joined?
There always some issues. It was unusable a couple days ago for me. Whilst I can tolerate it for now, that’s a huge barrier for people especially newcomers.
Lemmy isn't overloaded. Lemmy.world and Lemmy.ml are.
People need to move to other instances. Lemmy was never designed to have main central instances. There are supposed to be many smaller and more specific ones and people choose the ones that fit their usage.
Yes and no. Bigger servers can see more posts and communities on other servers because of how the federation works. I have an account on a small instance and an account on lemmy.world, and my All feed has way more content on lemmy.world. I've also run into issues finding and subscribing to communities on the small instance.
If you're on a large instance, there's a much higher chance that someone else has searched for the community you're looking for already and the server knows about it.
Less technical users aren't going to understand any of this.
Unlike Reddit, where no users have ever seen a message that said "you broke Reddit" with a sad snoo...
Reddit is also not 100% stable; Lemmy is just experiencing growing pains. Here's to hoping it only gets better
That's a problem especially with lemmy.world . They took the brunt of the Reddit migration and had to massively adjust their servers to accommodate the influx of users and communities. Other instances have been more stable
Basic shit like linking to comments doesn't even work on the website, let alone the apps. If I click the link icon on your post, it links to the top comment to it instead. Clicking Show Context on that page also does nothing.
Sadly, there's just not a critical mass of users in most of the communities I'm interested in. I pop in here every once in a while to see what's going on, but it's currently lacking the diversity of content that you get on Reddit. I'm still rooting for it to succeed.
there were 3-4ish communities on that other site that i was pretty active in that are ghost towns here and there is a zero to none chance that they will migrate over. i still go over there for those communities.
that said, for the mindless amusement/newsanddoom scroll lemmy is fine and i do find myself more active here in the general community. it's just those niche communities haven't hit the numbers they need to be self-sustaining.
“Chart go down” isn’t necessarily bad.
For example, this could be due to general disinterest, or it could be from troll removal/defederation too, no?
With the fediverse known for its opposition to infinite growth, this feels ironic
What opposition? I see folks complaining about excessive size of individual instances (mostly out of concern that power imbalances could develop), but basically nothing against the growth of the network as a whole.
I think the "infinite growth" here is referring to our expectations of some systems we use growing infinitely, even when the system itself is bounded by finite terms, such as population or hype.
For example, US Social Security works on the assumption that there are more people working and inputting money into it (via payroll taxes) than retired people taking money out. That assumption requires a growing (or at least very stable) working population, as a shrinking working population means that there will be more people taking money out than there are people putting money in. This growth, inevitably, will have to stop at some point. However, many retired people expect, and in some cases financially rely on, Social Security giving them money.
A large portion of the Fediverse have expressed their disdain for such systems, and molave here is finding it ironic that they'd expect this platform to infinitely grow, as well. The initial hype from the whole Reddit shenanigans are dying off, and the platform will soon stabilize, at least until Reddit pisses off its users again.
These are natural growing pains of any new platform. A lot of people will come over, check it out, and then go back to Reddit.
I just swap between lemmy.world and lemm.ee whenever one of them goes down. They're the first two options on the app I use lol
I'm on the fence about sticking around. I don't see myself going back to Reddit, so I'll probably just leave and be productive.
I thought about checking CentryClub on Reddit today for the first time in a couple of weeks and then I was just like "nah!"
Hard for me to be active when my home server is down most days 😂
Yup lemmy.world is down literally every day for me. I mean seriously, look at this:
Maybe it's just my feelings but conversations and participation is booming. I rather a small and active community than a millions of users who lurk.
Communities are getting seeded so when next wave comes, we will be ready. Build decentralized economy won't happen over night.
It's natural progression once initial hype wears off. As long we manage to keep core amount of users it should grow slowly over time.
Here! I'm another active user!
same here ;)
annoying that only posts and comments count :/ I'm your classic lurker and up/downvoter
It's way better than the relative numbers of Threads. I expect a decline of active users, since a lot of Reddit users registered to a Lemmy instance expecting a similar experience that couldn't be fulfilled. It will stabilize and grow up again with peaks when, for example, old.reddit.com is ditched.
It’s normal. Chill. Not like Threads that lost 80% of its active users.
A big issue was loosing all the .ml lemmy instances. I lost mine and had to create a new account. lemmy.ml is the only one that's still up.
The big problem with lemmy is that some niche communities did not migrated so when you Look for example for fairphone news you Look to reddit beacuse lemmy dosent have equivalent. Likewise i havent seen something similar to r/tailsof. You know the niche communities that were the bread and bucket of reddit with the few exceptions ( programers and Linux communities fully migrated and are obviusly standing out beacuse those pepole are always first to move to opensource alternatives )
The niche wil grow with the userbase, very niche things cannot be sustained with the amount of interested people.
It must grow organically, you cannot force it
Adding onto that, the quality of Reddit content [in my former subreddits] has slid dramatically in my opinion. Sure, those niche communities will exist and persist for a while. But, as more tech pros move to the Fediverse I have to imagine that is where a lot of information will reside going forward. Hopefully it becomes or remains discoverable. I get some glimmers of this happening with the various Steam Deck communities here. It is already happening with the various programming communities.
I think a far more likely thing to happen is that you get people scrapping the Fediverse for content to repost on Reddit, like what happens with Facebook and Instagram users scraping TikTok for content to repost. Social networks these days seem surprisingly sticky now that it isn't just a place where all your friends are at.
I was an early Reddit adopter and can remember how lonely it felt back then. It took years but it got better in ways and worse in others. I believe in Lemmy because it isn't susceptible to the pressures of a company trying to be profitable. Sure it'll have its own challenges but I've personally had enough of idiot CEOs running social websites into the ground.
So...maybe karma court can be brought from where it's dead. It made fun reading.
The novelty has worn off. Contributions are going to fall to the baseline for this platform. Question is, is the Lemmy space going to expand from that point?
Lemmy put my 1st post here
Lemmy has already hit equilibrium as far as I'm concerned if your on lemmy world I suggest changing instances my instance midwest.social was down alot in the beginning when lemmy was getting alot of new sign ups but has since then been updated a few times and been rock solid since now it only occasionally goes down for maintenance
I hopped instances a couple of times (and it's a little annoying that there is no simple way to migrate subscriptions), but so far I'm happy with sh.itjust.works because that's what it does. I also feel like it defederelizes less aggressively than other instances, with some I was almost surprised by all the content that I couldn't access.
Lemmy world has been shit the last few days.
I think that app choice makes a difference, too. I would guess that most people on mobile picked one or two apps to try, and if their picks weren't great (or the user was too impatient to wait for improvements) they called the whole experience shitty and bailed. Those of us committed to the move hung on and waited for our apps to get better.
In my case, I grabbed every ios app I could find and tried them all. Some were not so good, some were good and improving at a lightning rate. Living through those growing pains is worth it to me, especially when the improvements are crazy fast. I'm mostly using Memmy now, and I'm really happy with it. I only have one tiny, unimportant issue with it involving text selection, but it's nothing compared to how good they've made this app so quickly. Memmy is a large part of why I stick around.
I tried only Jerboa and that's what I stuck with. It loads fast and has every feature I want. Compare that to the official Reddit app, which is a slog on even high end devices. Seriously, what are they doing that it loads SO SLOW?
If you have the opportunity now, download Sync for reddit. It's out now and it's a wonderful experience!
I keep forgetting you have to comment or post to be considered active
This is an expected statistical artifact given the "last month" aggregation and a huge influx of new users of which many don't stick around. I am saying they don't stick around, because that's generally just what happens with a lot of new users (e.g. they checked it out, decided it's not for them) and also due to the federated nature they might have switched accounts and similar things. Then the bit about "last month" aggregation: Have a look at the "Active 6 months" graph - it's still trending upwards. Those are likely a trailing average aggregations, so a maximum is reached when that 1-month-window starts (roughly) at the beginning of the huge user influx. For the 6-month window that hasn't happened yet, so still going upwards. Assuming nothing changes (similar amount of new/leaving active users) the graphs gonna be interesting in the next few weeks: After the initial wave of influx the balance was most likely negative (more users from "the wave" dropping out again than added users afterwards), however I'd hope it's gotten positive since then. If that's the case the graph should start trending upwards 1 month after the balance became positive. It's unclear when that was the case, but some towards end of July might be a reasonable guess? The same graph with a smaller window could shed some light on that (or just expose useless noise ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ).
Another sign I'd consider good: The active user ratio is trending upwards.
Disclaimer: I don't know how the data is aggregated, nor how exactly "active" is defined - the gist of the above very likely applies though. I was too lazy to look it up in the code - if someone knew how these graphs are aggregated and were so kind to let me know, that'd be appreciated :)
As a new user, I kind of can’t get over the idea that bots just seem to scrape links and repost them here.
That seems to be most of the contributions to communities to me.
Unpopular opinion: bots might be a good thing for now.
I’m speaking from a growth perspective. Assuming users want to use social media to…socialize… you need active users and constant content. New social media platforms have a lack of users and content. Bots can bridge that gap until enough users are contributing and using the platform.
If you really think about it, it comes down to a platform using bots effectively. Let’s say the bots will only submit content when user submitted content falls below a threshold. Maybe it will auto generate threads for breaking news.
What if bots are used to ask questions and further conversations, like a social lubricant. Employed in a way to pull more useful information from users or to keep people engaged.
This all hinges on the ability for a bot to appear real.
This sounds super fucked when you think about it. I’m not a fan of bot content. If you didn’t know it was a bot, what difference would it make? LLM might be able to make it engaging and natural.
Imho that's a horrible idea. A large part of content on the instance I'm on has become bots just reposting news articles without any own contribution, no discussion, nothing.
Bots are on every social media platforms.
I would also note that some instances with the ml ending like fmhy.ml got wiped out of existence a few weeks ago because Malaysia forcefully took back that domain suffix back. I was on there and had to make a new account elsewhere after I saw it wasn't going to come back up.
Mali*, not Malaysia. Malaysia's TLD is .my
*Mali
Mali, not Malaysia, which has the .my suffix.
Could be something to do with frequent outages. Every now and then I will have error jump out. I then give up for a day and then try using tomorrow.
Once Boost for Lemmy releases, 10, 000% growth will occur over the coming weeks afterward 😉 (IYKYK)
Sync is already out and their user base is higher than boost
The number of users are just stabilising. This is expected after a sudden spike in users.
How much is Threads down in DAU?
Their daily active users declined by 82 percent from its peak https://www.businessinsider.in/tech/news/threads-user-base-has-plummeted-more-than-80-metas-app-ended-july-with-just-8-million-daily-active-users-/articleshow/102435552.cms
Can bot cleaning explain this?
People always tend to bounce back to the bigger platform.
How I like to deal with this is to use two or more platforms of the same kind.
Occasionally open Reddit, and occasionally Lemmy. Occasionally checking Fedi, and occasionally going on Twitter.
It may be disorienting at first, but it's better to get used to going on many websites than sticking to just two.
That decline is slower than I expected. It shows that more people stay than not
It needs a solid app like Apollo was for Reddit to help it keep active users.
Voyager (apollo clone) just launched it’s app on android and ios. And we also have memmy, which is great. So I think we’ve got that covered.
Sync and Infinity just launched...
Sync is what made me finally use Lemmy regularly.
It is expected that there are corrections in numbers after a huge spike. The bigger goal will be to sustain this community.
Thats the case for most new platforms you get a surge of users and then some titer off and stop using the platform. But don't look at the small dip look at the massive growth compared to a few months ago.
Being new to Mastodon and Lemmy I personally struggle to figure things out. Just finding a brief summary on how Lemmy works in contrast to reddit has, so far, yielded no helpful results. While I think for me this is just a matter of sticking with the services I can imagine that a lot of people would check in, struggle and check out again.
The, let's call it infrastructure, of Lemmy and the way registration works due to the fediverse is quite different to what most people are used to.
For me it's the lack of content that is killing Lemmy. It's just not nearly as entertaining here as it was on Reddit. I know the community isn't the same size so it isn't comparable really, but it's just the same content here day after day.
I will admit, I was hard into Lemmy at first, but then gradually slipped back into the Reddit habit. This is my first visit to the site in a few weeks.
I could see myself doing the same, but I only browse mobile. Without a decent app, it's just not happening.
However, Lemmy now feels like the super early days of Reddit and I don't want to give that up.
Just real conversations, normal comments, none of the repeated Reddit jokes in every thread, and minimal right wing trolling
I've been dipping on both. What gets me more there are niche stuff though.
Still a massive increase compared to a few months ago.
I feel like it's one small community instead of an interconnected larger one, unfortunately.
This is normal. We've gotten a big enough surge where we have consistent content now. Lemmy was a bit rough when the migration started, but hopefully improvements will go a lot faster now. We're definitely missing a lot of core features and polish still. But Lemmy is a long term social network that is grass roots. All we need to worry about is creating a sustainable community now, and polish up the experience to newcomers so we can sustain the next exodus and be more of a viable platform.
@LambLeeg I swear we have this this at least a copule or few months of someone getting anxious there's a sight dip of active user on the Fediverse and eventually it goes up again.
I woudn't worry too much about the graph and just try to vibe here instead.. 🤷♂️
The very gentle slope towards normalization is quite good, actually.
yeah shows genuine "stickiness"
Number of active users slightly dips after exponential growth, surely the platform is dying, lets run around in circles and scream that the sky is falling.
Why don't we, instead, sacrifice u/spez to the gods, so they have mercy of us?
Just like a whale, scraping off barnacles, for greater speed and efficiency
I couldn't figure out how to log on here with my other Fediverse creds. Rather than, like, Google or something? I just created new accounts for each instance. I'd say it's a boon for anonymity, but I used the same username, soooo
You dont login you accses this via you home instance
As of right now you can't access the "front page" of each instance, so that would be a valid reason to retain several accounts (among many other perfectly valid reasons).
How you go to different servers is just by subscribing or following a link to a community hosted on another server. So !Canada@lemmy.ca is hosted on lemmy.ca instead of lemmy.world, but if you follow it on a web browser you might notice it takes you to https://lemmy.world/c/canada@lemmy.ca
this way you haven't "left" lemmy.world, lemmy.ca has no access to your credentials but you can make a post or comment there which is shared with lemmy.ca who posts it for everyone who connects to lemmy.ca to see.
I'm active with comments, but not posts. That's all I can offer.
take my monthly comment
What are people saying to be calm for? Nobody way raising alarm
It's because Reddit is still alive and well and Lemmy just doesn't offer enough to be a serious alternative (yet)
Interesting data considering the climbing daily post/comment(?) numbers I saw yesterday.
At least there's something to do here. Mastodon almost always feels like a ghost town to me. I only really keep it on my home screen because I like the icon.
it can very much depend on your instance, do you look at the 'all' option and or do you just stay on your instance?
I'm doing my part!
Still waiting for the ability to block instances as a user.
I've been wondering what Lemmy was like until Jun 2023. Quite cozy I guess.
Very boring. You got 3 replies on your posts if you were lucky.
All/New was the only way you could get an entirely new feed a couple times a day.
There was still some lore and beefs between servers (like with wolfballz, a right wing community taken down for hatespeech, or hexbear that became incompatible and headed their own way). Feddit.de has a still a bunch of old federated servers cached that came into and went out of existence.
Between Lemmy.ca (I joined there in March) and Beehaw, there were 10 people posting regularly as in a handful of posts a day. Lemmy.ml had a mix of general news and user "Yogthos" posting pro-China news/propaganda.
It was a quiet but nice little place. The admins running the instance would often be quick to reply and give you detailed answers whenever you needed them. Now many have their plate full with moderation actions and keeping their site up.
!Programmerhumor@lemmy.ml was one of the first communities to me that seemed based off a Reddit subreddit theme.
We knew the change winds were coming, slowly at first in May, then suddenly exploded after May 30th. Beehaw grew from 700 users to 14000 in less than two weeks (during the time the Reddit protest was being organized). That was a crazy change for Fediverse people, new people everywhere, minor trolls popping here and there, Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works being born, admins working overtime to accept new members. All very exciting.
Second half of June there was some trouble. Beehaw defederated because they couldn't keep up with moderating users from instances with open signup processes (and I suspect it was triggered by a troll making a hateful post about his dick on the LGBTQ sub).
Then there was a torrent of accounts made on some instances that originally had one or two users. They had no comments or posts and had a username with a random word and a bunch of numbers. All of a sudden the instances with the "most users" were these completely inactive instances.
CAPTCHA was better implemented, and dbzero helped create a filter to monitor and defederate instances with hugely disproportionate number of accounts compared to activity.
There's your mini-history lesson for Lemmy.
I will use Lemmy more when Sync will fix hiding posts. And no, I'm not gonna use "remove read"
People on vacation in July and august too maybe ? Might have a slight rebound later
A platform can always be improved, always. Lemmy is alpha software now and the growing problems we had in the beginning may have annoyed some users.
I think the most important thing is to keep making improvements to attract new users. I'm already finding the content infinitely better than it was a month ago.
Doing my part...
Thank fuck, I was worried my hosting bills were going to keep escalating... xD
Yeah cuz the shot is down constantly. I have 2 apps and one usually doesn't work.
Still better at retaining its users than Threads.
I can use Lenny with Lenny sync on my phone without issue but when I try to use my browser on my laptop I can't login. It's the same instance, save credentials.
Lurker mainly but looking to get more involved!
I mentioned this in another thread but I think it's regression to the mean
Its actually very good
We'll see how it goes, hopefully it keeps growing, but a user loss seems to be quite common after the initial wave of new users for new platforms
Lemmy didn’t take off like all my other moves and that’s ok. Can’t stand what Reddit stands for. I won’t ever contribute there but I’m forced to visit to get commentary I need to see on the war and other niche topics.
The robots have filled the content problem but not the commentary problem. And no, I don’t want bot commentary.
Been posting on masto since lemmy.world keeps getting outages. New posts seem infrequent on the sorting algorithms. I'm sure once the hardware hiccups die down it will stabilize
The number of posts per day keeps growing though.
A good part of that can be explained by the low time resolution of the graph. 1 month.
Let's assume 1 month ago, 100 new people signed up. Let's say 20 of those made a comment or post, which is the requirement to be counted as an active user.
Many of those 100 didn't stay for various reasons. Of the 20 'active' users, only 15 were coming back the next day.
But the graph still counts 20 active users for a whole month. Only 1 month after a user last commented or posted, this user is no longer counted as 'active'. So now we see a drop of -5 (all numbers made up).
I think it's perfectly normal that not everyone who signs up makes a post or comment. And that not everyone who tries out something new will stick around the next day, or the next week.
With a large number of new signups, which we had in the last months, it can be expected that another a large number is only active for a short time. Due to the low resolution, we probably see what happened 1 month ago.
Well I'm here and I like it. So there.
To be expected. I like it but it's still quite an immature platform overall. There's lots to be done to make it easier for an average user.
Sync's already had over 10k downloads, but the ability to post (apart from comments) hasn't yet been added. Once that happens I imagine there'll be a decent spike.
Those are pretty good numbers