Is there any evidence that Reddit has suffered at all from the exodus to Lemmy?
Was there even a mass exodus? I largely avoid Reddit now, but I do kind of doubt that they've been hurt in any meaningful way by all the protests and people leaving...
Was there even a mass exodus? I largely avoid Reddit now, but I do kind of doubt that they've been hurt in any meaningful way by all the protests and people leaving...
Is it important that Reddit suffers? For me the important thing is that lemmy flourishes and has good oc.
I support this point of view, but at the same time I want the status quo to be disrupted and the internet to change, I'm not a fan of allowing corporations to fall into complacency when they hold so much power.
Right? Ignore them, have fun here. No reason to give any thought to them.
That's the spirit!
This is what I wish more lemmings would grasp. I've commented before how there's this disillusionment that reddit actually died when a bunch of people left. It didn't. The sooner everyone can stop being in denial about that, the better.
The situation is really more akin to an abusive ex and the people that left realizing that they're better off without them. You're in a better place. Stop talking about, focusing on the drama that your ex brought and just embrace your newer better environment.
Millions of people are in that situation and don't leave because they've been manipulated, they're scared, and in this case addicted. My brother in law switched from Apollo to the official app and hates it, complains every day, and says reddit sucks now...but won't leave.
Yeah, but like... I have a gf to have someone to converse with. This new gf of mine basically doesn't speak so I'm just sitting here watching the wallpapers in silence, whereas my ex, while crazy, was very talkative and entertaining.
Ok but your ex getting hooked on heroin and ending up in a prison morgue won't make your new gf any more interesting.
Yeah but if my current gf is just being silent I'm like.. girl why are we even dating? I'll keep dating her but damn. It's not a great relationship and I miss the crazy hoe.
That's a great way to think of it.
It’s petty, but I do hope Reddit suffers. Spez and co has profited off user generated content, free moderation of their communities for a decade plus. Forcing users into the Reddit app that is garbage compared to other 3rd party apps, not to mention the privacy concerns with the app which rivals Facebook.
Quote from Spez in 2016. In May, Steve Huffman said in an interview at the TNW Conference that, unlike Facebook, which "only knows what [its users are] willing to declare publicly", Reddit knows its users' "dark secrets"
If Reddit collapses or at the very least their IPO collapses and we can prevent another sociopath from being a billionaire I’ll be very happy with the situation.
No idea, and I don't care. What matters for me is that there are enough people on Lemmy to keep it interesting.
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Just wanted to say that's a real cool username
How in the bloody hell are those characters in a username?!
I fucking love it, my guy!
Exactly. We don't need Reddit to fail, we just need Lemmy (or Kbin, I don't discriminate) to succeed.
This is a much healthier mindset, and I completely support this. I don't actually want to see a mass migration to Lemmy because it would just instantly replicate a lot of the same issues that Reddit had. Slower, organic, and well scaled growth is wholly preferable to a massive swarm of users. I also think the general quality of users on Lemmy is currently about 10,000% higher than on Reddit, and I would - selfishly - like to see it stay that way.
Can't speak for anyone else, but as soon as RIF died I was gone. Was on it for over 10 years, and the only way I would view reddit content. Reddit's ui is cancer.
100%, no RIF no Reddit. I still hope for LIF to be a thing, especially after seeing old.lemmy.world
@dezmd @Daisyifyoudo
Finally took the plunge and scrubbed and deleted my reddit account. I'm officially all in on fediverse/Lemmy.
Honestly, as attached as I was to the RIF style after using it for a decade like OP, I have to say that I think the design of Connect is really damn good. Especially when you consider how early in the game it is right now for the Fediverse as a whole. The more modern design, features, and generally slick look to everything got me hooked immediately. Honestly, the only thing I don't really like about Connect is the App logo on my phone 🙃
This was me for Boost. Had an account for awhile before I aurally used it because I wasn't aware of third party apps and found the official one or web page a chore to go through. Then went with Boost after trying a few and I was on Reddit daily. Mostly a lurker. Already some of the Lemmy apps are better than the official reddit app and Boost is coming some time as well.
Strangely, RiF works again for browsing
I don't even see it in the playstore anymore ¯\(ツ)/¯
Although can't sign in to comment/upvote and no NSFW.
Same but if you Google some technical advice on reddit it will open in RiF. Which still works great for that purpose.
Same for me, but the Joey app instead
I went with sync!
Ljdawson is doing a sync for Lemmy!
Can't come soon enough
Honestly, I don't really care. I like it here more than reddit and if it stays like it is, awesome.
I have no desire to see reddit succeed or fail, I simply found a place I fit in better.
I agree but I still want Reddit to burn 😂. But I'm an asshole so that's okay.
Hear, hear!
Just have a look at the content there, it dropped a lot in quality.
As someone who only ever browsed all, I see no difference.
As a browser, I notice that Lemmy seems much more dynamic and engaging. It's small, weird and there appear to be all sorts of things going on in the corners which I didn't notice so much on reddit (they were probably there, but got overlooked die to sheer volume of content). I like the experience so far, reminds me of the early days of exploring the web.
The OC to porn ratio has shifted in favor of porn.
The real metric is the OC to bot ratio
Is that a problem?
Only if you don't want to see porn
I lost all patience with low effort posts. I try to call out anyone asking easily google-able questions or clear karma baiting. It took a couple days of this to realize I needed take a long break from it. I'm debating keeping my account solely to get my karma up a bit more and trying to sell it, not sure yet.
For a bunch of the subs I frequented the mods just left. Some of those died, some are being taken over by right-wing extremists, some are still chugging along.
Anyone that expected Lemmy to instantly get as big as reddit overnight were naive. Overall I think only a small fraction went away but reddit is clearly using tactics like mass inviting to group chats and reopening places to boost activity.
But as they do it quality of posts is dropping i've found. Personely i think it will take a long time but reddit is really digging its own grave as competition will appear.
Heh, digging. I see what you did there
I didn't leave to make the service worse.
The service got worse, and so I left.
If we're perfectly honest - No.
Reddit has over 53 some odd million users. Million with an M. Lemmy has gained, at most, upwards of just thousands. To call it a 'mass exodus' is really overselling it.
It's going to take a fairly long time, for Lemmy to even scratch 100k even. I'm on both Reddit and Lemmy. Lemmy, for a more positive experience. Reddit, because the numbers are just there.
This crisis has given Lemmy enough users to be a vibrant, viable alternative with the software and apps undergoing rapid development. This means the next time that reddit tries to pull some shit, there will be somewhere for people to go, unlike this time. Lemmy just wasn't really ready for prime time.
I think you are correct. Lemmy is really just gearing up at the moment, but can't handle the volume to compete with reddit.
The increase of instances, user guides, communities and third party apps are necessary building stones of a federated reddit alternative of size.
God can you imagine the shit show if millions had tried to come at once this last time? We'd accidently ddos the fediverse to the stone age.
This is it. Reddit will keep pulling dumb shit that drives users away and hurts engagement for short term profits. Having viable and stable alternatives gives people a place to go so they don't feel trapped.
For comparison, Mastodon got 2.5 Million users and then promptly lost all of them. Since then it has been slowly gaining back and last numbers had them at 1.7 Million already.
This X move by Musk might push them back to 2 million and beyond. The platform has matured.
Lemmy needs a lot of work still, but give it time.
Lemmy has almost half a million accounts ( 400k ) with over 1.5 million posts. lemmy.world grew by ~30k new accounts in June.
Others grew by single digit thousands, so the migration seems to be about ~50k new users to Lemmy.
That's not trivial, Reddit had those kind of numbers in like 2007. Give it time.
Want this the case when Reddit was tiny and Digg was huge too?
The landscape was different. Digg was in 2004. Reddit in 2005. They both came in a time where social media was at it's infancy and it was anyone's game to make it big. Whereas today, there are already established social media sites and the best any alternative social media outlet can do anymore, is absorb some numbers and try to prove to be the better alternative. It's a lot about thinking outside the box and figuring what a platform can do that the other can't.
So what's the solution to blow this joint and start a new paradigm? Television killed radio. Blogs and streaming killed television. Current social media killed blogs. If the fediverse isn't the solution, then what's going to kill and replace current 2010s era social media? And don't say short form video, because that was cool for maybe a decade before the big corpos started pushing it and it was no longer cool.
Corpos ruin everything
Decentralized social media seems like the logical next step. And all major platforms seem to either have users going that way (Reddit, Twitter) or are themselves going that way (Mark Fuckerberg's bullshit)
Generally I agree with you, but let me steelman a different argument. It feels to me like we are in the early stages of another digital renaissance like the one that happened during the rise of Reddit & Facebook. I remember that time well as I was just starting high school, and Reddit opened an entirely new world for me after leaving Digg. It felt like where all the cool kids hung out if you will. There was this wealth of information, discussion, political discourse, and it scratched the itch that ultimately formed a lot of who I am today.
It has always been the visionaries who are then backed by the early adopters that form internet culture. Lemmy is, again, where the cool kids (and technically inclined) are choosing to hang out. There is an exclusivity to it, and that feeling of breaking from the herd. That is an exciting and addicting feeling for content creators and users alike. This is all happening as major players like Meta & Twitter are warring with each other over users, and while Reddit allowed itself to succumb to the narcissistic ambitions of one moron (fuck u/spez) who never cared about the spirit of what used to make Reddit truly great.
I think a lot of us (me included) got complacent, and bogged down in the feeling that there would never be a time where the internet felt new, and alive again. It is a failure of imagination really, and I hope this can be one shot across the bow to the major power structures behind the previous generation of social media that blind corporatism rarely if ever can capture the magic or lightning in a bottle that has been the bedrock of culture in the information age. Only time will tell how this project will evolve and change or if it can become something truly great that stands the test of time. But I, for one, am sincerely hoping that it does....just as much for myself as for all of you!
Lemmy has definitely "scratched" 100k https://the-federation.info/platform/73
Several major subs have closed, they're forced to campaign to keep mods, a significant amount of content generators have left. Even though it's been only a couple weeks, they've slid on the global index of visited sites. They've lost 3-4% of 1.7 billion views in weeks. That's 10's of millions of ads not delivered. That alone is several million dollars lost on a site trying to be profitable. This doesn't include people on the fence, people currently unaffected because their app didn't die until this week, or people just watching the drama until it's boring again. Also, Reddit depends heavily on free labor to succeed, the bulk of the community that is leaving is their free labor pool. They don't have the cash to pay moderators for their time and they just removed the tools that let those people do their work.
What major subs did close? Not saying it's not so, just curious.
/r/pics didn't close, but probably doesn't get the clicks it did before.
/r/bestof seems to only make a daily protest post.
I've stopped visiting so much, so I don't know a lot, but those two seem significant.
This is some fomo type shit.... forget about your ex, invest in your current!!!
Their user numbers are available with a web search. Reddit useage dipped towards end of June but has mostly leveled out.
Quite a few mods left, which has had a larger impact than an equal number of general users leaving would. The niche topic sub I was involved in went from four mods to one half-hearted mod. The quality of posts has dropped. Almost every comment thread contains complaints. Reports are piled up.
Most surprising to me when I peeked at the sub this weekend was the amount of borderline-incel desperation and negativity. The sub is for a hobby that while slightly male majority, we had plenty of women contributing with minimal problems. Not anymore. If I were a woman looking at that sub for the first time, I would probably block it. It is so depressing and angry now, I barely recognize it.
I have to wonder how much of Reddit's traffic is bots and lurkers though.
Post quality is a bigger indicator, and that does seem to be dropping. This is why Reddit banning 3rd party apps was such a big deal. It doesn't matter if 99% of your users use the official app if 99% of the content posted to the side is posted by the 1% that don't.
As someone who was around for the digg migration, it didn't drop off overnight (hell digg.com is still around), but they gradually bled content until everyone was on Reddit. Lemmy right now is very reminiscent of early Reddit.
That's the thing - it's hard to track this. If anything it'll be a slow decline
Not at all. I can already see a decline in the number of Reddit TTS videos I see on my feed and when I do, they're mostly years old
Easy to see anecdotally, hard to define quantitatively. Reddit is never going to publicize that sort of thing as a metric: "ratio of bot activity to subscribed member activity" would be great but we'll never see those numbers.
Agreed and not just content creators but active users in general. I bet someone like me who now on average posts 10 messages a day to Lemmy was more valuable to reddit than 10 lurkers.
Do you mind sharing the sub? I'm curious to take a look.
Has the community moved elsewhere, be it Lemmy/Kbin or Discord?
It's disheartening to see this kind of communities collapse
Honestly I like Lemmy more and more everyday. It's quality vs quantity when it comes to posts and the users.
The real question is why anyone cares? Move on and just enjoy Lemmy. Forget about reddit.
I’m torn on this. Because a sort of injustice happened. Do we really just ignore enshitification, try to educate others, reflect and keep an eye on the site while trying to understand what happened and not repeat old mistakes? Or just move on with our lives and hope that the injustices sort themselves out?
I kinda want to watch reddit burn 🙊
Highway pile up that you KNOW you’re not supposed to slow down for and look at because that contributes to the problem but on the other hand we’re only human so of course I wait a hot second before accelerating back to highway speed.
If you want justice, then you move on and forget Reddit. Otherwise you're just keeping it afloat and creating free promotion for it.
When you’re visiting it. Not by discussing it, the downfall, and the lessons learned. I don’t think we have to pretend that we don’t care or that it never happened. I just personally don’t go on the site any more to not feed them traffic.
What injustice? Reddit is "their" website and they can do what they want with it, we have always only been allowed to use it for their enrichment. The farmer is always very nice to his animals until its time to cash out.
Lemmy is hopefully the fix, in that it doesnt need to turn a profit, and we're not locked in.
As the child of immigrants, I can tell you that running off and living your life is absolutely a viable strategy, and I've spent my whole life trying to underssand what happened so that the same thing doesn't happen to my family again.
All that said, it is a website. The planet is broiling around us and the people responsible are not just free, but living like kings.
Personally I came over bc the app I used stopped working (boost). Lemmy seems to have the same content I used reddit for:
I don't plan on going back to reddit unless it's via Boost. Fediverse is better anyway
Poor one out for Boost! I'm on the waiting list for his new Boost for Lemmy. Can't wait.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rubenmayayo.lemmy
Pour*, but ya. I used sync and I loved it. But I also used the free version of boost. I'd probably go with whichever one came out first 😂
Sync was the first app that looked nicer AND improved usability for me, after almost a decade of RIF. So I paid for the dev version to support it, and don't regret it even with what happened.
I have really enjoyed Jerboa while waiting for Sync, can recommend. It's on the Play Store and native android (+ open source on GitHub)
Sameee! Excited to see the finished product
Can't wait for Boost for Lemmy to release.
The app will continue to work if you are a moderator of any subreddit.... I've got a few subreddits that I created myself, with only me in it, and because of that I can still use the app.
Considering deleting my account however...
I feel all those posts about reddit looking for mods for various communities is a good indicator. They might not have lost quantity all that much, but a very small portion of quality kept a lot of reddit interesting and running smoothly. A lot of that has either just dropped entirely engaging or migrated.
I doubt everyone would move. Some people simply take it as a sign to move on and do other things with their limited time on this little planet.
I see it as a signs of problems to come. Being a Mod sucks, the only reason most hung around was that they were passionate for the subs they moderated. Replacing moderators at first might be easy but I believe, with time, the turnover rate will increase linearly thus causing a massive drop in quality content as time progress. Thus causing a feed back loop of less good users, less good content and more shit users, more shit content, culminating in the slow and painful death Reddit.
Only evidence I have is:
any day of week 1 of using Lemmy I had about 1 page of new stories on my subscribed communities any day of week 2 of using Lemmy I had about 2 pages of new stories on my communities any day of week 3 (this week) I'm at least 4 pages in and still haven't hit on the old stories
I'm just happy to be here. I care less and less about reddit. Using lemmy and mastodon for a while, it's gotten more and more important to me to just build a great, fun, healthy community and less important (emotionally) to bring down the giants. I still care about it politically and theoretically, I just don't feel it as much.
Fuck Reddit. I’m here now and it’s great.
Ya, I'm less about screwing spez and more about enjoying my niche communities. I just couldn't enjoy it on Reddit Mobile - it's painful, the whole ux. Then since Lemmy works great and I still have my niche groups which I enjoy interacting with. Just makes sense. Reddit made a bunch of awful decisions impacting ux and it's unusable in my eyes.
There is a bit of me that still wants to use my old Joey app still. Hope that dev comes up with something, it was a great tool.
The timing of /r/place nullified any possibility evidence of an effect, as a ton of streamer featured this event, creating traffic. I wouldn't be surprised if they got a huge net profit this month.
That's their plan, keep drumming up drama for views untill IPO to keep the platform "interesting"
They themselves are the embodiment of a karma whore.
I think the damage done to Reddit is not from protests but the bad management decisions -- enshittification as Corey Doctorow put it -- in order to hasten Reddit's IPO. The attitude by upper management, taking user content for granted, is going to continue to serve to chase users away, or drive them to deprioritize engagement with Reddit.
I'm missing only a couple of communities here on Lemmy but otherwise it serves me as a daily feed. And reddit still can be searched for troubleshooting.
it was about hurting the reddit ? i thought it was about finding a good alternative
For me it's both. I loved Reddit but it turned into a dumpster fire. I've always been a huge fan of openness, open source, freedom to the people. The fediverse is much better this time around, which I figure is more awareness of it.
I run Arch btw.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What I do know is that I'm happier having left.
I really don't care about reddit anymore. I pretty happy with Lemmy right now.
Have you seen the content lately? It's all trash now. Most contributors have altered their posting habits or left?
it feels way less informative, more clickbaity and buzzfeed like. But, I am not sure if I am biased or not, I just feel more constructive on this site for some reason. and it feels like my mind is confused/calibrating to the concept that online forums can be constructive
The effect is going to be long term. The most active users (usually 10% posters, 1% content creators and mods) were the most affected by the changes. Those are also the most vocal. And, probably the first ones to move here. Once those move reddit content will get worse over time which will make the other users move (89%) too. So yea, don't expect short term impact. It's the long run that matters
The short-term is that reddit is scrambling to try to maintain the appearance of normality. Calling for volunteer moderators (Always Were.meme), and talking about their decreased financial stream show this. The rest is gonna be longer term knock-on type effects.
Ultimately though, as many others have said, I'm here and I'm not going back, so while the bad news is a little cathartic, I mostly don't care. Will they completely die, probably not, but they are dead to me.
I don't see Reddit scrambling to do fucking aaaanythiiing. It's impressive how goddamned daft they are being.
We came to Lemmy for our own benefit, not just to fuck with reddit. Who cares if it hurt them or not? We're better off without reddit, and that is all that matters.
It may be my imagination but I think the quality of Reddit posts has severely gone down. There's also noticeably more nazi propaganda.
And bots.
I don't know if I'd call it a mass exodus, and I don't know that it directly has anything to do with Lemmy, but there's been a noticeable dip in quality. Fewer posts across many of the front page subreddits, fewer votes, more bot posts, more low effort posts, less discussion in comment sections, lots of deleted comments and accounts... overall there just seems to be a dip in quality.
I was going to delete, but decided to stick around for a while first, to see how things pan out, and I've got to say the mobile site is even worse than expected. I get constant pop ups trying to direct me to download the app, then when I say no the website will auto reload, often sending me back to the top of the page. It's difficult to find and respond to anyone who replies to your comments, and sometimes if you sort by top: today it won't even show any posts. Just... blank. Clicking on a post opens it as a tab that is more like a popup, and closing it resets where you were on the page.
I could keep going but I think that pretty much summarizes what I've noticed. Don't know that it's directly related to a Lemmy "exodus," and I'm still finding my way around here so I can't really say, but reddit as we knew it seems pretty dead.
That’s actually what some of us were predicting would happen. We would expect a metric like “quality posts per user” to follow something like the 80:20 rule - 80% were created by 20% of the users. If those users and mods were skewed in the direction of the strongest detractors/leavers, you’d find the average quality would indeed go down.
Yeah, I got all my accounts permanently banned and the hacked app I was using was deauthorized. Tried using the mobile website and noticed all those problems also. Only use reddit now when it comes up in searches but I try to avoid it even then.
I hope so, but I don't care. The same with the bird site. I chose to delete my barely-used bird account when that idiot bought it, and to explore mastadon and lemmy when I could no longer use Apollo to view reddit. Two or 3 times I've popped over to reddit to see what's going on, and check on any other subreddits that have moved to lemmy, and using the official reddit browser or app just reinforces why I left. It's shit, and getting shittier.
Basically I like the mantra "not my circus, not my monkeys."
This has been my experience. I was still using Reddit on my computer and lemmy on my phone until last week. I'm at the point on my computer now that I was at with my phone four weeks ago where it's pretty much split between them. I really need to figure out a search engine that captures lemmys since I still have to end most my searches with "reddit" to get useful answers.
Edit: I know I can use "site:lemmy.world" but that only searches the one instance
I had finally joined Twitter to see if there was anymore political people to find out about. Something like a week later Musk bought it and I deleted it.
I'm not even this huge like omg I hate musk. I don't think I even have musk related comments. I just don't trust big loud billionaires. Especially ones that made big deals about being too broke to help out with internt for Ukraine much longer while flying to moons and buying soapboxes and just generally being shitty
Again, as long as we're being thoughtful and having fun here, people will come naturally.
Total agreement. I couldn't care less what happens to reddit; I didn't leave to try to "hurt it".
I just want somewhere with good discussion that lets me access it how I want and reddit isn't that anymore.
And Lemmy clearly has the potential to be that, so here I am.
No, of course not. If you're using Lemmy as a "protest" instead of thinking that it's a better platform, it's totally ineffectual and you'll go back to using Reddit sooner or later. Personally, I think that the fediverse is a more compelling idea than the traditional internet, so I'm sticking with Lemmy for a bit in one form or another.
I suspect their July user metrics will see a hit, but even if all Lemmy activity came directly out of Reddits numbers they would still be a top 10 website in the US by traffic.
You can't have "the downfall of reddit" as a goal, you can only hope for the proliferation of a better experience, hopefully here. Lemmy not dying is preferred over reddit dying.
When will we see a MySpace or Digg moment, or Yahoo moment for Reddit? When will mentioning Reddit get you an eyeroll and an "Okay, millenial" response from Gen Alpha?
What even is Digg?
Exactly. When are we going to get blank stares when we mention Reddit? That's the moment I'm looking forward to the most.
(In case you actually don't know, Digg was a precursor to Reddit, which did basically the same mistakes and got itself replaced by Reddit and forgotten way back in the MySpace era)
I actually didn't know, I only learned Reddit was a thing because it was referenced in one of the Achievables for Postal 2 on Steam
I left and deleted my baconreader app. Haven't gone back since. And I used to spend about an hour a day on there.
This didn't happen quickly with Digg either. This won't be as substantially decimating to the platform as the Digg exodus was, because reddit is WAY bigger than Digg was.
I'd say it took me about 3-4 years to fully migrate away from Digg to reddit, and that process was very similar to today, where there were a ton of platforms gaining steam (even while it was pretty clear that reddit was where the party went).
I think reddit's quality of content will deteriorate over time, and the moderation will suffer. It is going to die a death of 1000 paper cuts. The API change was just reddit saying "Hey, come stab us with your paper knives!"
idk. Reddit in 15 years will probably look a lot like newspapers do today. Kind of a joke, but somehow still standing.
I think you are 100% right. This is a slow burn not something that will happen overnight.
A mass exodus doesn't really happen in the traditional sense unless shit really hits the fan. For that to happen a large majority or even everyone has to be displaced at once and there can be no way to salvage the situation. In this case, there were a lot of short term ways out here for users not directly affected.
But, the whole situation is more akin to a war of attrition. The ones not convinced by the big things, will be convinced by the smaller things that accumulate over time. Goodwill for reddit is at an all time low, which hampers their ability to grow since word of mouth is effectively dead. People that provided effective labour for reddit in the form of moderation or content aggregation lost their morale to continue. Not all of them for sure, but it might very well be a critical mass (even if they didn't move to lemmy).
It's like a line of dominos increasing in size, if the ones that fell now were big enough to topple the next, eventually there will be a ripple effect. Eventually the quality of content goes down, the discourse turns stale and antagonistic, and communities fall apart. Only once the users who took the easy way out now realize that will they finally start the process of moving. And if reddit was doing so bad they had to make this move, I can only assume their future will be very grim indeed. The seed of destruction has been planted. (And if you want an example of that future, look at Twitter)
Whether or not that all actually happens, I'm not sure. I'd like to believe it will, but some people revel in their unreasonableness, and they're often the easiest to exploit for financial gain. I think the best thing is to stop looking back, and focus on what we have here and now. I think what lemmy has achieved so far is already more valuable than reddit had.
I think my only interest in Reddit now comes from a place of schadenfreude rather than any desire to go back there.
And every has now left twitter.
Long live X!
Some of the larger subreddits shut down or turned into a John Oliver meme, one niche one I enjoyed is gone, the rest seem to be back to business as usual. At the moment? I'd say not much has changed.
Who cares, though? This isn't reddit, let's stop focusing on that and focus on Lemmy.
Have they suffered at all? I think the answer is fairly obvious. You’re here, right? Would you be here if they hadn’t fucked around? I wouldn’t be here.
Im working on a case study for a publishing firm about the whole API announcement and subsequent fallout so I've been watching all this really closely. The thing I'm most anxious for is the data on web traffic to reddit and it's competitors, which I can only get on a monthly basis. It dropped a lot from May to June, which you could attribute to the protest or even the summer. However, Discords traffic increased during that time, and it was the only major social platform to change in either direction. I'm hoping to get some clarity once July data comes out but I don't think we well know for sure about long term impact for a while. Reddit I'm sure knows more but definitely won't share it publicly unless necessary, like if they do go public, but I'm not sure that kind of data would be included in a filing.
(I tracked traffic on similarweb and Semrush. Lemmy is on there too, but is tracked per server, and most were tracked starting in may or June so data is pretty limited and can't really be compared.)
Is it possible thats it's because Discord spawned a lot of servers related to the protest? I'm currently in 4 different discords which are related to the protests one way or another (iirc i joined eaither end of May or early June) - i have never used discord this much. Or is there a different reason for the uptick?
The subreddits I watched seem to be as busy as they always were, and the corresponding communities on Lemmy are mostly devoid of activity. Frustratingly, I'm still getting reddit links from my friend, which I leave unopened. Maybe Reddit took a hit in terms of users and post quality, but I'm growing increasingly skeptical that a mass migration is going to happen.
The confusing nature of the fediverse isn't going to help either.
I don't even know what it is! I just like that it's less toxic than Reddit
The content on Reddit has gotten noticeably worse - but less as a result of Lemmy's existence and more of a reaction to killing 3rd Party Apps.
Unfortunately for me, some of my favorite communities haven't migrated over to Lemmy. So I'm still using Old Reddit Desktop to access them.
The first two things I noticed were that the quality of content tanked (which was already the lowest I’d ever seen before that), and unvetted racism shot up. I still access Reddit on occasion for some small communities, but I use Dystopia so I don’t provide ad revenue and I just don’t interact anymore. It’s like the active/reasonable adults left and it’s mostly kids and bots left posting and commenting.
Yeah, the comments went from jokes and memes to super aggressive threads almost instantly. Kinda crazy to see it exposed like that.
I got a lot of people from the r/place Fuck Spez movement to switch over. I also got really enlightening advice from one of our supporters. They told me that people will come over once we become easy to use and well established, which we're nearing but not there yet.
With all the third party apps we have gotten like Liftoff and Voyager, things have been a lot more accessible. However, we still have lots of work to do.
Until we become easy enough to use that you feel comfortable telling your family members to sign up and they use it without assistance, we will primarily be a community of tech savvy individuals.
There are some UI issues like clicking see context brings you to an actual foreign Lemmy where you aren't logged in, that for example is a problem. What's nice though is that Lemmy seems to do great with pulling federated content from other servers unlike mastodon.
I hope to donate some time to the web apps/phone apps/servers for both lemmy and mastodon in the months coming to fix these things. It should squash a lot of problems I'm running into.
As long as it doesn't end up with a bunch of bad actors leaving reddit for here and bringing their shit with them, making this place as bad as reddit has become.
It will. I think it's inevitable, unless Lemmy development starts focusing on automated mod tools as soon as possible. You don't want to deal with hundreds of thousand of users without a good content filter, it's basically impossible. And it will be even harder due to the federated nature, since it's easier to sneak unmoderated content into the network.
We'll be fine as long as there isn't corporate or financial interests. More humans of all kinds is fine. Making Mastadon and Lemmy unfriendly place for "profit", (marketing and advertising) means that greed won't drive people's behaviour. Greed for clout is still greed.
I found a large amount of the developer / programming reddits died, so I noticed a large difference but a lot of other subs there has been no change so it depends on what you are in.
Steve Huffman has helped me cut down on my time on social media, and even screentime in general. Because I left the platform that I used so much because of one stupid decision he made.
I can now start my sand grain collection thanks to him.
I don't think any platform collapses overnight. What you have to do is do is make something "better" and engage in a campaign of attrition to get people to move over. Produce content that other visitors see and like. Submit links to that content to aggregators (e.g. Slashdot / Fark etc.). Even start submitting links on Reddit that lead over to Lemmy and so on.
Make Lemmy feel as normal as Reddit. People will get used to the interface, the quirks and perhaps stay. Every person who stays is one less for Reddit. Now "better" is doing some heavy lifting since Lemmy has some advantages (ad free, federated) and some disadvantages (inline media & limits, sign up confusion, app). The disadvantages need to be addressed and the advantages need to be made stronger.
I believe that most of the people, including myself, are still waiting for proper 3rd party apps. I still use Boost for Reddit untill the developer releases Boost for Lemmy, then I switch completely. The app I'm used to is more important to me than the platform I'm using. But.. Needs to be said that Reddit's behaviour is horrendous and therefore I don't want to be using it. The future is decentralised..
Give a try to summit. I assume you already have tried many of those but this one is rather unknown. More at !lemmyapps@lemmy.world
Maybe some are waiting for Boost or other 3rd party apps but there will likely not be a super big number coming over. Apparently doom scrolling is preferred for a large swath of Gen Zers
Need to focus on improving these communities and being active/creative especially in building niche communities on Lemmy.
I see so many communities created with just a link or two posted weekly by community creator. That kind of activity gives Lemmy a bad look.
Definitely agree on your last point. When I see a community like this, I try to report it to the admins, because indeed, it gives a bad look.
Report them? Why? How else is a community supposed to get started? It needs probably only a handful of type A people posting stuff regularly and then that brings the crowd.
I agree it's not a great look because we're in the established age of the internet.. but what else is there to do?
I guess we don't talk about the same kind of scenario.
You describe one where the creator did it in good faith, started posted for a bit, but isn't that active. That's completely fine, I agree with you.
I am talking about people who started dozens or even hundreds of communities, just to leave them there without even posting a single thing. Looks like a power trip to me, and I could understand why newcomers might be reluctant in participating in such communities (especially if they come from Reddit)
I see what you mean, I think I agree with you then.
Happy to hear, have a good one!
Reddit is like World of Warcraft, the only thing that can kill it is itself.
its trying really hard tho
Realistically, no. It would also be quite a stretch to assume everyone who created accounts here no longer checks reddit and stopped using it. I know I personally still use both.
Same. However, my reddit usage has decreased significantly. I used to spend 1-2 hours there every day (which was waaaay too much), now I spend 5-10 minutes on reddit at best. The terrible mobile design drives me away because it keeps nagging me to use their app. On the other hand, I also only use lemmy maybe 15-20 minutes per day.
So in total, the stupid decisions of reddit have improved my digital well-being because I spend less time mindlessly scrolling.
Uh....thanks, spez?
1-2 hours? I was probably spending 3-4 hours a day doomscrolling on Reddit. Now I don't browse there at all. I'll still use Reddit if I google something and the answer to my question is a Reddit post, but I literally do not doomscroll there anymore.
We exist though. I nuked my account and haven't gone back even once. My wife sent me a link to something there yesterday but I made her send me a screenshot instead. That's the closest I've been in about 2 weeks. I don't care of it hurts Reddit, I'm sure it doesn't given how many millions use the site, but they did me wrong even before all this shit so I'm done.
First I didn't delete my account which I had since 2006, but after spending a month on Lemmy I slowly stopped Reddit and then I felt ok with deleting it together with my Twitter account.
Personally I could have lived with the ads but the quality of the subs I followed dipped massively after the mods left or were forced out. The people who left may have been fewer than expected they were the ones creating the decent content and most importantly keeping the worst of the bots at bay.
Hell, I would even have accepted a subscription to be able to use Boost; and I hate subscription based services.
They had opportunity to earn a lot of money and not alienate their users. With profit from 3party apps and companies using reddit for AI data. With realistic pricing.
But Spez (Fuck u), acted like a spoiled vendictive little brat and burned everything down, because of his fragile ego.
Just take a look at the mail and phone conversation, and subsequent lies about what was said; between Spez and the Apollo developer. To see I'm not making this up.
I deleted my account. That probably showed 'em.
I wiped my history and got banned from half my subs for using a script to do it. I keep it for local use only, all those bans just make it easier to stay strong and not leave my local shiz 😂
only thing i cant stand about lemmy is trying to understand what the fuck it is and how it works.
some top post about a “sub”? “lemmy place”? idk what to call it, “defederating from us”. does that mean from all lemmy things, that lemmy thing? what does it mean to defederate? is there an easy way to browse for subs like reddit?
All the Lemmy (and Kbin) servers (instances) can theoretically talk to each other. You can follow communities on other instances and comment and post like you are used to.
You could think of each server as an independent city-state, each with it's own leaders, customs and citizens.
If two instances have a feud that can't be resolved, they will "defederate" and then their users will no longer be able to contact each other.
There are Nazi instances here in the Fediverse (for example), but they get blocked on sight so you almost never see their garbage in the feeds.
Does that help?
Yes thank you very much
When you think about it with 3 instances, it's fun and strange.
Imagine 3 instances. lemmy.world / beehaw.org / lemmy.dbzer0.com.
Now call them A, B and C.
Now A and B defederates.
Accounts on A can't see content published on B anymore. And can't publish on these "forums" (communities/magazines...)
And accounts on B can't see content published on A anymore. And can't publish on these forums.
However, an account on C can see everything and publish anywhere !
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You should consider your account as a passport. The instance/country delivering you the passport is important, since it gives you permissions/visas. If everyone in your instance is behaving like shit, your instance will be defederated and you'll loose permissions/visas to be able to browse other instances.
Gonna give it a shot, so you know how there is reddit and it has communities and those communities have posts which have comments etc. Now imagine there are 2 reddits, Addit and Bddit both are exactly same in infrastructure/software stuff but obviously different users, communities and content but since the infrastructure is the same, both Addit and Bddit decided that it would be cool if user@addit could interact and do reddit stuff on Bddit and vice versa. The software that does this is lemmy, anyone can make a reddit like website with this and all users of that website will be able to interact with every other lemmy website. So lemmy is a group pf reddit. Now as you can imagine, website owner can decide which other website can interact with their website, this interaction is called "federating" so defederation means that blocking a certain website (also reffered as lemmy instance), as an example, addit could block bddit or vice versa so users of addit can not interact with bddit.
Now the concept of fediverse is also similar, in that case fediverse is a goup of fedi services, think a group of lemmy like services where each service has a group of websites/instances. This is possible because most of these services have similar things inside them, like each will have users, posts, comments etc so user@lemmy_instance@lemmy can interact with user@mastodon_instance@mastodon. All this is govern by ActivityProtocol. Honestly i don't know to what extent these interactions are possible.
Sooooo in short lemmy= network/group of reddit like websites Fediverse= network/group of lemmy like services
The whole obcession with Reddit is getting a little too much and continuing it is maybe a bit immature.
I mean, I get it: I've left a couple of jobs during my career (now spanning over 2 decades) because they did some pretty asshole things and I had a choice to move to better pastures, yet after leaving I still had a strong want for them to somehow be screwed for being assholes, kept wanting to know how things were back there and would've been happy if I found out they did go somehow screwed.
So it is understandable, IMHO.
However there comes a point when you gotta mentally go "I'm in a better situation now and they don't matter to it, so there's no point in wasting any energy on them" and stop looking back.
Sure, feel free to tell others about Lemmy (for said others rather than because of Reddit), but stop wondering about Reddit.
PS: I wrote "immature" because as I grew older it just became easier to turn another leaf and getting over the "old place", so I reckon it's maturity, but maybe it's just me.
So far my experience on lemmy has been users talking about how much they hate reddit and how awesome lemmy is, and shitty awful lemmy users being shitty and awful to me. I'm pretty unimpressed so far.
I am sorry to hear that
The reason it matters what's happening with reddit is the network effect. Social media is a natural monopoly, and it seems to me that in general there is only one major platform for each type of content at any given time. Recently sites like reddit for link aggregation, facebook for I guess interpersonal groups, and twitter for microblogging have been those major platforms.
They are taking huge hits lately, and if users migrate to the fediverse in enough volume, then they can be displaced permanently. Prople shifted from digg to reddit in a similar scandal years ago.
Now, whether the fediverse will reach that critical mass remains to be seen, but I hope it does because it represents a more open and stable alternative that fundamentally can't be toppled by a single bad actor, unlike literally every centralised corporate platform out there. It has the potential to become an actual public town square like the internet seemed to promise decades ago. It might actually be in a position to topple the corporate monopolisation of our information ecosystem, and that's a huge deal.
And the capacity for federation between the different types of social media offers the possibility that once the fediverse gets big enough it can extend that network effect across the different types and displace all corporate social media. Like at the moment peertube isn't huge partly because the server costs to grow to rival youtube are enormous. But if the fediverse becomes big enough, who knows? Maybe it will be in a position to take over as the main video sharing platform on the internet. We could say goodbye to all the youtube drama that impacts video creators today.
So that's why it matters. Reddit isn't just a bad boss or an ex, they are a mafia controlling a large piece of territory, and whether we can push them out impacts our network and a lot more besides.
People don't like change, and most have extremely short memories. I doubt Reddit will see any major loss and will back to business as usual very soon if they are not already.
Digg and MySpace were behemoths once too. So was Yahoo.
This. Also, dopamine and attention from what they already got. And also, the uncertainty of the "new".
No, and I (honestly) don't care either. A nice sum of users is better than a bunch of users that are (at most) "rotten apples" willing to denigrate everything and everyone.
Just the fact that you can browse Lemmy without seeing advertisements is really nice.
Still, the systems depends on the will of individuals to maintain servers and it’s a bit scary to know that an instance could be gone in an instant if the maintainer doesn’t want to pay for electricity anymore.
I doubt there's been enough people moving to create an impact. I used to visit Reddit multiple times a day but now it's once a week if at all. When I have looked all my old subs look no different really.
Yes, because it has lost some of its most passionate users. The only effect will be a subtle drop in quality to the site, though, which will be completely unnoticeable to the average user.
I go back for /nosleep all the time - the quality of the rest of the site has frankly dropped drastically.
People are still rioting so to speak, content just seems weak - as in I haven't been on popular really since I joined lemmy, certainly not in weeks. Who can really trust those that didn't care to be all that interesting?
The politics page is boring. The headlines say nothing. Seriously - maybe subtle now, but clear enough for a good chunk. At the very least, this didn't just go away
Psst.
!lemmyscareyou@lemmy.world
Tell your friends, I'm going to write more again.
Long ago I posted on Reddit that publicly traded companies are the plague for our society as they are pushing to the eternal growth at the expense of their users.
I do agree that privately held companies are also looking for profit but the difference is that they are not subject to the immense pressure to exponentially grow.
And now the Reddit IPO comes to prove just that. I am fairly confident that if not for this IPO Reddit wouldn't try so hard to push those changes and would still thrive.
But at the end of the day, I am happy that it helped me to discover Lemmy and this debacle is why I am here and not there.
For sure the quantity of posts is the same, but the quality has gone down.
You can just feel it all over. My frontpage has little to no good topics anymore. I used to peruse for at least 30 mins easily losing myself. I barely get 5 now before getting irritated with the low effort material.
I mean I try to go on reddit and the content just isn't what I am looking for. I know this is true for all of you. I know the internet is changing and fediverse things are the future. I am glad to be off the mainstream stuff and digging around in the weeds with folks who might give me a ride hitchhiking. I like to think of it like all the reddit traffic are people who would never give you a ride if you had your thumb out, but the people here would be the types that are more willing to take that risk and make a new friend. Overwhelmingly, hitchhikers will not hurt you and everyone has a great time. Dispelling the fear we live with is what this is all about too.
Profit wise, absolutely not. However, they are probably losing their most technical users. Generally the ones that have some sort of tech background or knowledge and see through their BS, and who are also much more likely to support open source alternatives (and third party apps) and have an easier time figuring out the fediverse. Maybe they care about that, maybe they don't (probably don't).
Quite so. We don't need them to suffer, we just need to build a more resilient and tight-knit community here. Quality or death.
Exactly. Leave Reddit for yourself, not for Reddit.
I honestly rarely if ever posted on Reddit. I just had an account and used a third party app to keep up to date with some tech stuff. But their behavior so revolted me that I came here and actually got involved being on Lemmy.
While I doubt they ever made any money off the crowd that left (cos let's be honest, we know about ad-blockers, etc.), if the most active users left, their content will suffer, and hence the website's general attractiveness probably also will.
There are small subreddits that are definitively private now. But only very small ones.
Absolutely. Of course, normie subs like local cities and very well established niche subs aren't going anywhere, but the large subs, for instance r/Canada, have turned into complete shit shows. There are way more bots on reddit now too.
yeah I really miss the game-specific subs that always crop up on reddit. Been playing remnant 2, and the two lemmy communities I found are empty save for 1 post while reddits remnant sub is thriving :/
also I miss my metroidvania sub. Small price to pay, I try not to touch reddit but I have been peeking in at the remnant sub just to see what people think about the game
The cool kids have left the building and moved on to building the next thing.
Yup. Nothing is permanent and that's okay. I was on Facebook back in the days when you still had to be invited. I no longer am for anything other than work (because I have to be). Maybe in ten years I'll no longer be here. It's fine.
There will always be an avant garde tech crowd moving to the next thing.
Lemmy right now is too.. well not clumsy exactly, but it does feel vague with all these seperate iterations like .world or .ml and they are seperate and require seperate logins etc so that’s not handy at all. People are used to ease of use, this is where (for now) Reddit remains king.
Lemmy does have a problem where people don't get the idea behind it. But it's not required to have seperate logins for instances which are federated. This very post I do with my @feddit.de account and when you check other user names you'll see users from other instances as well.
I honestly think that Lemmy/Fediverse success is more valuable than Reddits downfall. With current leadership Reddit will continue to stumble and Lemmy will continue to grow. It's just a matter of time and either way Lemmy doesn't need to replace Reddit just become it's own thing. I'd rather hang out with you nerds than with bots and spammers on Reddit.
Still seem like the same amount of people over there. I really haven't noticed much, other than a lot less dissenting opinions as far as ideology goes. Admittedly, reddit stopped being a regular thing for me, as my political leanings differ from most of the users there. I'd rather walk around dog shit than willfully stepping in it. My work also has picked up and I've found other things to occupy my time.
I went back and looked at a few things, and realized some of the subs have gone sideways. There's no balance, and one side has taken control of the narrative. This is especially true of Ukraine war type subs, and other political stuff. I don't care about reddit, anymore, but an echo chamber is good for nobody.
I'm deleting all of my posts and comments on Reddit :). I did find Reddit very useful in many ways. That was when I was a participant in the system. Now Reddit is going to make me a revenue generating serf. So I noped right out of there just like I did with Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram.
I know lots of users are doing them same. Reddit would get lots of exposure from Google searches to useful information that users had posted. They are selling ads on the backs of these users that posted useful information. If I remove my posts (useful or not) they can't be used for revenue.
So at night I slowly go through my profile and delete posts and comments while I watch a show.
Idk, I deleted my account when the protests happened and got a little curious when Brodie posted a video on lemmy.
Towards the end it felt like there were a lot more smart asses, dead jokes, and gate keepers ruining the fun anyway. It may just be me but it felt really unique/full of originality at first and then it really became full of the same thing over and over again.
I think karma whoring is a real problem for that site. Any post that reaches a popular critical mass gets slammed with people trying to make a quick joke or pun for upvotes, and so even commentary on popular news stories was filled with fluff, memes, or basic circlejerking. The karma system also incentivizes this really shitty dunking culture that is so bad for discourse.
It might come here eventually if lemmy gets popular enough. But even if it does the platform as a whole is just more righteous and worthwhile. It doesn't exist as a commercial entity to drive engagement in order to satisfy advertisers, and that's something really unique and different in our day & age.
I miss those days but this platform aligns with my principles much better. I love that it's not another twitter clone like so many others. I'm not into micro blogging, I enjoy a good discussion more than sharing passing thoughts.
The point is not an overnight collapse. It’s gradual rot.
Reddit (Twitter, Facebook…) all exist because they created a monopoly around their service. Reddit through their incompetence created a competitor. They will have to work so much harder to make their ends meet now that there are alternatives. Worse yet, the viability of Lemmy will spawn other efforts.
Look at Twitter. Between Mastodon and Bluesky they are eroding. They have to beg advertisers to stick around. At the same time there is a bakers dozen of other efforts underway all creating a new landscape. Twitter was the king and now they are rapidly becoming one in a pool of microblogging services. They will wither.
Reddit just popped it’s monopoly and will also fail.
It all depends on the quality content that we the users create. More quality content and more people will come.
Ribbit
The good thing is, I really don't care. Lemmy/Jerboa catapulted me from feeling bad for people staying on enshittified reddit to not thinking about them at all.
It looked to me like it strongly depends on which sub. Some are basically unaffected. Some are very different (In a bad way) some are dead.
No idea man. I'm just happy to have some place new. I don't think about reddit anymore unless someone posts something about it.
Exactly it's nice to have found a new place that is a little more forgiving.
As someone signed up on Lemmy for 4 months, don't worry too much about people still feeling attached to Reddit.
Not at all. And it's fine.
I don't care enough to remember the details, but the protest caused a hit to Reddit's advertising.
My personal expectation is Lemmy is going to pull more of the nerd crowd, and it'll end up a better place for questions, but we'll see.
I don't miss reddit, only use it when I need tech advice and cannot find it elsewhere
Nah. Not yet, at least. Reddit is still largely intact as a community despite the severe hatred of the admins, and Lemmy hasn't even come close to maturing yet. Once the lack of effective moderation starts to sink in, and Lemmy starts getting bigger and filling in more niches, people will probably be more keen on switching.
The right-wing troll posters have gotten bolder and more prominent in subs I used to visit that's for sure. They used to get heavily downvoted and people used to rebut their garbage, but much less so now.
At least when I see them advertising making ads on Facebook everyone is negative to them
I'm not particularly active on the Fediverse, but that's primarily because even my regular Reddit usage had atrophied in the last year or two. I've kinda gotten out of the habit of looking at site aggregators, so that's more likely my problem.
Realistically, who really knows? Reddit isn't going to release numbers, so it's all third-party stuff at this point.
I don't think Reddit will feel a noteworthy sting anytime soon. But that's okay. Like some here have already said, what matters is fediverse ultimately growing big enough for us to have a sizeable group of people to interact with regarding hobbies or any random topic posted here.
Although, I can't move on without whining about the bug or whatever it was that prevented me from commenting anywhere for the last ...almost a month! On rare occasions, I couldn't even see anything on my feed so Lemmy clearly has ways to go in regards to matters outside of its contents.
I deleted my account and have gone cold turkey. It sucks not googling stuff with “reddit” at the end because honestly a lot of great answers to things are there
Just view the cached version.
Can you suggest a key word to put in a search string to get the cached version searched instead?
I'm gonna butcher this, but
Site:archive.org blah blah what I'm searching for blah blah
It hasnt suffered a lot - so far. But it is like Chinese water torture - drip drip drip, bit by bit it is slowly eroding, some subs far worse affected than others. Most niche subs and local subs are still going strong, but I suspect after a while they will start to collapse one by one as moderators leave and users come here, or to discord or other alternatives
As much as I want to see reddit burn, I think we are more likely to see a slow, almost imperceptible crumbling away
I wouldn't be surprised if Lemmy got a large bump over the last few weeks, but with how many issues there are on Lemmy in terms of the servers going down and such, I wouldn't be surprised if the daily number of visitors here levels off and possibly even starts to decrease as users get tired of this.
Heck, just to post this comment took about 2 hours to on and off servers showing as being down. I can understand some growing pains as the site grows, but many users won't.
Hello,
As a suggestion, you might want to try another instance less popular than lemmy.world. I had the same issues a few weeks ago, and then created a few accounts on other instances, that way I'm always safe.
I don't know how I would do that. Would I need to start a whole new account? And which instance do you pick? That part of this Lemmy thing is rather confusing as to why or where or who about instances.
That's okay. I can help. First of all, it's really fine to stay on LW for now, no need to rush anything. But if at some point you have some time for this, then read the following.
So, to pick your instance, you can have a look at https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, filter by "1m" to see what are the most popular ones. As you can see, with a 27433 monthly users, Lemmy.world is by far the most popular, which is why you might experience some issues from time to time.
You should have a look at the next instances on the list. Short story: lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.one, sopuli.xyz and reddthat.com are solid choices.
You are looking at instances with quite a lot of people (the more people help with filling your "All" feed), just not the most populous one (lemmy.world), the original one (lemmy.ml), and instances that are too specific, either due to country or specific focus.
Long story:
::: spoiler spoiler
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To migrate your settings (including subscriptions and blocked instances), you can use that script: https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
I personally visit Reddit less than I did previously. And from the subs I was part of there does seem to be a drop off in new posts that are not the usual begging for help or complaining about how "x" (not the artist formerly known as Twitter) sucks just to bitch.
So there is still a lot of traffic there and content created, it is just more slanted to the mindless type of content than it was before in my experience.
I will never know because I am never going back to reddit ever.
I don't know generally how people have reacted, maybe a lot just quit browsing that type of media altogether. They haven't all flocked to the Fediverse that's for sure. It's grown a lot recently, but before the API mess Reddit had almost a half billion monthly active users. There's like 150k right now between Lemmy and kbin so pretty insignificant in comparison.
I'm pretty sure the quality of posts on Reddit has fallen noticeably, they lost a a good number of mods and people have said it's pretty obvious now.
What I find funny is the favorable references Spez has made to how Elon is running Twitter (X), but thing is it's obvious now Twitter is intentionally being run into the ground. Since Spez is a Elon protégé I guess Reddit is being intentionally run into the ground.
When it became clear that Reddit no longer saw me the user to be as valuable as the content I had helped to create, I knew it was time to go. I had been on Reddit for almost twelve years, so I was a bit reluctant at first.
I left reddit for the most part in June.
I deleted my account a few days ago. I also deleted most of my posts before I left. Fuck you Spez!
Reddit suffers at the hands of Spez, Lemmy is just existing.
No idea. Don't really care that much. I was fairly active on reddit (had a few 100k post karma) but I went through and scrubbed my posts. The few times I have posted there in the last month is to direct people to Lemmy.
There was no mass migration (yet). For starters, I'd say that the majority already uses the official Leddit app and does not care (like two out of three people I know who casually browse).
It also doesn't help that some apps like RIF still work in some capacity. At the moment you can still browse non-NSFW, but only logged out, and that's enough for some.
Furthermore, this only reflects mobile usage. I still browse Reddit using old reddit (up until they kill that), but have deleted all my content and refrain from posting new comments.
As much as I want to say we wonnered, we are the vocal minority. Some subs I frequent, like /r/PCMasterRace and /r/leagueoflegends didn't even protest.
Yes, Reddit posts have subjectively felt more repost-y and soulless, but we don't have the insight.
There was no mass migration. Quite a few communities I enjoyed don't even exist in a meaningful way over here. Perhaps after 3rd party apps truly die, awards are gone, and they kill old reddit, but that's a big if, not when.
Even before the API changes, half the content seemed to be bots reposting stuff. Think it's gonna be hard to judge how much worse it is if bots get better at not obviously being bots. Entirely possible bots keep the site moving enough that casual users who just want to browse memes or get some news while on a break don't care if its almost entirely bots and AI.
I spent some time on reddit recently and it felt even more like I was talking to children most of the time. Constant arguing which quickly turns into insults makes it impossible to have any productive conversation. Maybe it has always been that way and using lemmy provided a direct comparison, but I'm not sure that I want to be on there any more.
Seen instance wars, admin egos, random censorship and many other fediverse issue.
Not looking forward to ir anymore to be honest.
IMHO reddit is still the same. Looking at /r/all is about the same. Among the smaller subreddits that I care about (programming subreddits), the activity has decreased, but I think it's recovering a bit.
Lemmy can absolutely replace my previous /r/all experience, but the programming communities are still too small.
I started using Mastodon 3 years ago and only now can I say that it has replaced my previous Twitter experience.
I'm confident that Lemmy will become more relevant, but this should take more time.
It's evident in the quality of posts and comments in the old place.
I don't really mind the lower traffic here. Seems like all the intelligence left the old building at once. Either that or I've forgotten just how trash it had become.
I think lemmy has a lot of growing pains before it can become a full fledge alternative for the masses. Updates need to happen, and a sustainable business model needs to come about for admins to cover costs
If twitter is still going strong, short term Xification doesn't affect social media that much.
Tried to look up some statistics about it earlier today, but couldn’t find anything that would have covered the events after the blackout. Apparently it’s too early to tell just yet. Hopefully someone will publish relevant graphs later this year.