This dude isn't just your run of the mill conservative idiot, he's exceptionally stupid.
So what I read is that TPUSA enables useful idiots.
Stop giving attention whores what they want, for fuck's sake. It's like getting mad at Facebook comments which I thought we'd all learned was useless a decade ago.
TPUSA? Toilet paper USA? Is that a shit rag or something?
Its Turning Point USA but you aren't far off.
I work for a company that can be abbreviated TPUSA and they often do. A funny thing is that they had a big banner inside the building that said "Proud to be TP"
What do you expect? He was defending the oppressed businesses during a riot.
Here is the full transcript of Hancock’s (@DaveHan06) post on X/Twitter:
Is anyone surprised that Kyle’s far-right political handlers ensured this particular detail didn’t make it into his book? (Referring to photo of email detailing how Rittenhouse was banned from ever applying to the Marine Corp again due to failing the entrance exam so terribly)
Regarding his online high school diploma, we had to force him to complete the four years of credits in just ten months, which he did using the “Google machine.”
We invested significant effort to craft the image you witnessed during the trial. We outfitted him in new suits, arranged for his haircut every weekend during the trial, and dedicated over 200 hours to prepare him for direct and cross-examination. We employed the world’s leading jury consultant and conducted extensive research through three mock trials to identify the ideal jurors and the most effective approach for his testimony.
Transforming a middle school dropout who was “angry at the world” with a history of violence and an unhealthy obsession with guns and killing into a respectable young man with a desire for higher education and a promising future was no easy feat.
It was a meticulously crafted facade, which we sincerely hoped he would grow into. Instead, he squandered a full scholarship to study any subject at any university in the country to become a divisive douchebag and antagonize black Americans on college campuses. Kyle failed to learn a single thing. He remains the same uneducated, arrogant, and antagonistic individual, incapable of telling the truth.
Now, he genuinely believes he is the show pony we created and has surrounded himself with sycophants who fuel his inflated ego because they prioritize their political agenda and Christian Nationalist worldview over his well-being.
Despite my efforts to guide him toward a better path in life, the allure of notoriety triumphed over the prospect of putting in the hard work of pursuing an education. Kyle is ill-equipped to offer advice to young people. I regret my role in shaping him into whatever he has become. If I had known what I know now about Kyle’s history, I wouldn’t have been involved.
It was a meticulously crafted facade, which we sincerely hoped he would grow into.
...
Kyle failed to learn a single thing.
He doesn't appear to be the only one.
My dad is too, but he's 55. Guess where he puts his vote
I believe he scored so low on the USMC entrance exam that he's never allowed to pay again. Apparently it's not easy to score so low
I got a 97/99 on the ASVAB and I am a fucking moron.
What a boring fucking journalist. Imagine confidently typing "please make 8 words into 300" into chatGPT.
That level of irony should be illegal
So should the accompanying level of stupidity.
Conservatives, they don't send their best and brightest.
Oh god, maybe they do.
Hate to break it to you, but it’s actually illegal to kill people and he got away with doing it twice. I’m not happy about it, but he’s not going to be touched for this comment, I promise you.
He should be serving consecutive live sentences, but instead he was given a platform to speak on and became a poster child for conservative values.
The American “justice” system is a joke and a farce.
It should be fatal.
As soon as you say some bullshit like that? Chair to the face.
Is it not literally hate speech?
But setting aside the fact that a descendant of colonizers has the caucasity to tell the descendants of the colonized that they should “leave” the land they rightfully pointed out was stolen from them…
Oh, that’s good.
Definitely gotta add that one to the lexicon!
It's a bit self-hating white person to be honest.
Nope. Hating the bigotry of people who have skin color or another trait in common with yourself does not equal hating yourself. Caucasity is not a trait inherent to all white people.
Contrary to the fantasies of bigots, white people are not one big team united against everyone else.
It's not really a word. Also it clearly implies something is inherent to "Caucasians" - I can't be bothered to do any clever wordplay on the other supposed racial categories, but I suspect any equivalent puns might be considered a little problematic, what what?
It's not really a word
Since it's used to convey meaning using letters and people understand that meaning, it by any definition that matters IS a word.
Also it clearly implies something is inherent to "Caucasians"
No. "Particularly Caucasians" ≠ "all Caucasians".
I can't be bothered to do any clever wordplay on the other supposed racial categories
Good, because that would likely be punching down, unlike pointing out how audacious some white people are with their privilege.
but I suspect any equivalent puns might be considered a little problematic, what what?
No, they wouldn't be equivalent. Pointing out white privilege and criticizing those that wield it as both a sword and a shield is not the same as making fun of less privileged people or even white people who are aware of and don't exploit their privilege.
So, racism bad, except against white people?
Lol no
So, racism bad, except against white people
Nope. Pointing out that someone is being racist isn't itself racist.
I was referring to the whole "punching down" concept.
Still not racism against white people.
No? Isn't the whole idea that it's okay to say things about white people that it isn't okay to say about other races?
Nope. The idea is that it's okay to say things about white RACISTS that it would make no sense saying about any other people, white or not.
"White racist" isn't any more a race than for example "black embezzler" or "Japanese bigamist"
Ok, so if I say "man these Black criminals are ruining our city", then it's alright to backpedal when confronted and say "oh obviously I only meant specific Black people"?
Or, different example in the same sphere. Is it okay for a Black person to be racist against white people?
It's not actually subjective. That's just how bigotry and privilege works 🤷
Okay.
Pretty caucasius of you.
I'm actually white, so the joke's on you.
Nope. The only joke is you.
The only joke? That's a sad state of affairs.
I get where you’re coming from, but most people who talk about race based inequality aren’t racist against white people, nor do they use words like caucascity to attack all white people but only those who uphold race based power structures (which would be judges, politicians, elites etc)
It's OK to create racial epithets if it's punching the right people.
That's not really the right line to draw.
Using it satirically to point out hypocrisy is one thing, and that's fair (but you need to make it obvious). If people don't get it's a particular person's actions you're mocking then you're doing it wrong
Can we agree to just vote the post to oblivion where it belongs?
Until the left outrage the paper generated gives him enough fake credibility to actually get elected.
I mean, he makes the rounds in the right wing grift-o-sphere somewhat regularly, has huge name recognition, and likely a very positive q score among maga types.
He probably doesn't need any leftist outrage to win a primary in the right district.
Is a positive q score how likely they are to believe in delusional conspiracy theories that are obvious rebrands of Nazi propaganda? Or am I thinking of a different q?
Yeah best to ignore twats don't give them clicks or views. Or write articles about them lol
The public should not care what Kyle Rittenhouse thinks and we should not amplify a stupid thing he said.
Let's not give this absolute nobody media space please...
This is the most click bait article I accidentally clicked on. I need to factory reset my phone after coming in contact with that website.
I'm happy they always use the picture of him crying like the bitch baby he is
Why report, what a crying murderer thinks?
*Fake crying
Why, comma?
Fordi det er grammatisk korrekt på mit sprog.
Or national hero, depending on who you ask
Imagine that being your hero.
I make the same expression after taco night.
I made it regularly for a month until I got treated in hospital. I had a flare up of ulcerative colitis.
Shitty.
Yes, much like the men who stormed Normandy Beach, Kyle Rittenhouse bravely shot at people who didn't have guns while running away from them.
Hero for sure.
Stop giving attention to this cunt
Dude may be a legit GOP Presidential contender one year, maybe we should stay on him?
something about crosshairs?
(beg pardon to the international audience, just trying to speak in terms that Americans will understand)
Dude is so dumb he got PERMANENTLY disqualified from joining the crayon eaters club. And this was during a time they were desperate for new recruits too lol
If this is real then holy fuck is he dumb.
I'm pretty sure the minimum ASVAB score is like 30. I'm pretty sure you could get that by randomly guessing on most of it. I try not to be too harsh in my judgements of the less intelligent but holy fuck do you have to be dumb to be fully disqualified.
You can pass the ASVAB enough to join by answering C on every question. I know this to be true because I worked with multiple guys who said they did exactly that. That may not be true today but it was 15 years ago.
Infantry only needs a 30, so statistically yeah I believe it's possible.
I went with a guy that scored 19. They were talking about bringing him back to retest later.
Fully and permanently... 😂
You can retest as much as needed, really, and if you can't get your score up a recruiter can schedule you time with a nearby Ed Center if there is one for ASVAB classes to get your scores up because "some folks aren't test takers!"
I'm not saying that fuckstick Mcbangbang is by any means smart but a permanent disqual for low ASVAB? I ain't seent it before.
I'm fairly certain a history of being tried in court because you're a trigger happy murderer also likely disqualifies you from joining the armed forces. That's too much of a ticking pipe bomb even for them.
The murder happened in August of 2020 and this says the test was taken in January 2020. This is seven months before then so I don't think that played a role.
It does show he wanted to join the military, presumably because he had a fascination with killing people. Maybe being rejected directly led to him finding a way to kill someone without joining the military.
If only we had a real judge instead of that partisan hack, the evidence that it was pre-meditated for him to put himself into a position where he'd be forced to "defend himself" is too overwhelming
Oh shit you're right, I didn't check dates. That's actually crazy, he actually is just clinically imbecilic then.
You get a certain amount just for filling out your name correctly.
When I took the asvab (decided not to join) another person was with me it was his 3rd time taking it and he failed again.
Seriously? I took it, thinking it would be good practice for SAT. It was not. I know they’re looking for a different demographic, but it was soooo mucheasier
Yeah, I was done at least 30 mins before him. The recruiter was all excited talking about all my options. I didn't even want to tell the poor guy my score 97( I think the scoring has changed since I took it but I believe it was out of 99 at the time). This was at the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This email could be fake. There is zero verifiable evidence that Rittenhouse was permanently disqualified from serving because of a low ASVAB test score
Good thing to point out when people argue about this "Gun Discipline"
Why are we giving this odious little twerp the oxygen of publicity?
Because as important as it is to deplatform these idiots, we also need to know what they're doing. They're still going to be out there actively radicalizing people and you can't fight this shit if you don't know it exists.
Is he gonna pay for the passport, flight ticket, housing, etc?
I'm partly Native American, I'd like to know...
Edit: Where am I going anyways?... 🤔
Shit sign me up, long as we can go to one of those third world countries. You know the ones with free healthcare and a liveable wage.
Ah I see you like the idea of England then 🔥🔥 💯
Nah seriously though, if someone paid me off to GTF somewhere warm and slightly less comfortable, i'd be all over that like a cheap suit.
The kid couldn't even finish middle school. Don't worry about it.
One of my grandmothers told me that if you know how you came from her, even if you only have a drop of her blood left in you
You are Lakota.
I think that applies for all the Native People of the Americas.
I'm part Cherokee and part Chocktaw. The first book I read was a survival manual, at age 5. I'm soon to be 42, not like it matters.
I hope that Cherokee, Chocktaw, Lakota, and other tribes of Native Americans can generally agree these days, the government is fucked up..
I'm pretty sure most people other than those in government or corporations can agree the government is fucked up
Alwayshasbeen.meme
Could be a lot worse but yeah it is often very disappointing.
Your link isn't loading for me.
You don't even need to be a tribe member to understand how it's fucked up.
Indeed, the government is fucked up towards way more groups than that.
I'm not even a tribe member, from my understanding of my family heritage, I'm only about 23% Native American, which doesn't qualify me to live on a reservation.
But I have enough Native American in my blood to be interested and keep up with matters that affect Native Americans, of any tribe.
I hear ya. I have family that has blood and could take advantage of it but they don't.
I don't even think of it as a one group vs another. It's fucked up in many ways for many people. There plenty of fuckary spread around.
If the British government is any example, it'd be Rwanda.
If it's up to them, I'd assume it'd be to what they think your home country is, India.
Oh shit, I totally see what you did there.
Just take my upvote 👍
I'd do a tradesies and go live in one of those commie European countries with universal healthcare and education
This stupid fuck doesnt deserve any more attention
Infamous stupid hick says hateful, willfully ignorant rage bait. Middle school was too much for this fucking mental invalid. He may never see prison for what he's done, but he's trapped in that idiot mind and will never know greater awareness, just like he deserves.
There are times those of us who aren't total psychopaths are also a bit too lenient.
No, my thoughts come from a person who has no power to deliver proper punishment. From what I've read, it seems he's viewed as a petulant, perpetually angry prick. People like that are never happy, even when they get what they want, they just look for something else to hate. He's too uneducated and self centered to ever have proper introspection and growth. He's fucking stuck like that. Barring actual justice, at least he's trapped in that small mind.
Mine too comes from a place and person who does not have the power to deliver proper punishment, as an individual. Collectively, we do have a voice. We just have to use it correctly. Not just for this, for all things we view as evil. By speaking as one.
Oh? What do you perceive as the correct use of our voice in this specific instance?
Specific? Not much. We're too late on this one. What we can do is stop bickering and slap fighting in a corner and come together to help ensure people like this are held accountable more often. It's a road we need to walk, not a single instance or single situation that will help solve the larger systemic issues.
and will never know greater awareness, just like he deserves.
You say he deserves blissfull ignorance.
No. He deserves a minute inside the Absolute Perspective Vortex.
To torment him with the realization?
Yes. The opposite of blissful ignorance is painful maximal understanding, right? Maybe he should be gifted a "Blessing of Unfathomable Empathy" by a great and powerful witch instead.
Whichever is easiest. Or more painful emotionally.
Empathy could be useful.
He could still turn his life around if he had empathy.
Could said witch perhaps try her luck on any of the GOP usual suspects and make them less ghoulish? Where would one even start?
This pig faced little dweeb is the one who should leave.
That murdering piece of shit should be in prison or dead.
The "justice" system only encourages vigilantism by its failure.
I hope they use that thumbnail of him pretending to cry in court for every shitty article they write about him.
The quintessential "Piss Baby"
One day it’ll be in his obituary
Teenage murderer.
this guy is such a pussy it's unbelievable
He's echoing sentiments white nationalists have espoused for centuries.
Pretty sure Christopher Columbus is on record telling a native to "Love it or Leave it"
Pretty sure Christopher Columbus is on record telling a native to “Love it or Leave it”
No, he was too busy with murdering them.
I looked through to see who revived this old story, ready to point my finger at OP or the article, but it turns out the person who revived this old story is Kyle Rittenhouse. A murderous opportunist.
Everyone who defended him during the trial or afterwards has signed a blood pact with the man and has to continue to defend everything he ever does or says forever.
Heaven forbid anyone admit to making a mistake!
I think people are misunderstanding this comment.
I think he's making fun of the idiots that continue to stick to a wrong opinion because they don't want to say they are wrong.
Yes, that is exactly what I meant.
I defended him during the trial, and I was not wrong. He was innocent. He's still an absolute piece of shit and dumber than a sack of weights, but the shootings were absolutely in self defense.
I still defend his innocense in the trial specifically, and nothing else this piece of shit does.
That's what the blood pact comment was getting at. You can hate everything he's saying and still believe he shot in self defense. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I'll be honest that I have only peripherally paid attention to the Rittenhouse trial, and maybe you can help me understand it a bit better.
Didn't he travel a good distance to "defend" a business, one he had no right or reason to defend with a deadly weapon? Was it really just that Washington is a "stand your ground" and not a "duty to retreat" state that made him innocent on that?
If so, that's definitely a good argument for a duty to retreat legal doctrine, because it's one hell of a loophole to allow people to purposefully put themselves into a conflict, accelerate things with an open threat, and try to claim you did nothing wrong.
Didn’t he travel a good distance to “defend” a business, one he had no right or reason to defend with a deadly weapon?
Yes, which is not murder or a component of murder.
Was it really just that Washington is a “stand your ground” and not a “duty to retreat” state that made him innocent on that?
No, and I think this is where a lot of the hysreria around the trial came from. He didn't stand his ground, he ran away was being chased. One of the men chasing him was trying to grab his gun, and another pointed a gun at him.
I think the great majority of the people calling him a murderer have never actually looked into what happened that night.
You're right, I don't think he was guilty of murder, but that wasn't the only focus of the trial was it? Seems like there should have been a better case brought against him, but there wasn't a good legal precedent or framework to really categorize the level of responsibility he had for the situation. While it isn't murder, it's something.
True, and I think that speaks to the loophole point you brought up. He very obviously went there and was okay with the possibility of doing harm to people. That, in itself, should be illegal, but it's very hard to prove.
By that logic anyone who carries and is willing to defend their life if necessary could be argued to be "okay with the possibility of doing harm to people." Clearly that's not what you meant but it is important to think about how laws could be abused when advocating for things to be illegal, as other people are able to interpret laws differently than intended based on improper wording.
Didn’t he travel a good distance to “defend” a business
If I remember correctly he traveled from a neighboring town to Kenosha WI. But people get hung up on how he traveled from his home in Illinois all the way to Wisconsin to do this without bothering to look at a map and see that Kenosha is right on the border with Illinois
But he also immediately after getting bailed out went and did a photo op/party with white nationalists, I think I remember he even made white nationalist gestures for the camera so guilty or not he's a piece of shit
Iirc fwiw that "White nationalist symbol" was the OK symbol, which is not a white nationalist symbol and never was. The closest it gets is 4chan convinced some news agencies that it was simply because 4chan is trolls, the news bought it, and then instead of saying "ok you got us good that time Mr Anonymoose" they doubled down and said "no look it really is and if it wasn't it is now," and as a result of that every right winger nazi or not thought it was hilarious and in using it weren't saying "white power" but rather "liberals are idiots, they still think this means WP." It's literally just a hand signal version of "lets go brandon."
Idk about whatever group he was with, but I cringe every time I see that old troll still working on people. It gives them too much power, they're literally using it making fun of "stupid people who think it means WP" and by being one of those people we play right into their desired role.
You can argue that it was not prudent for him - or anyone - to be there, but you cannot argue that he had no right to be there. He had the exact same right to be there as all the protesters, and much more right to be there than any of the rioters and arsonists, including the arsonist who initially attacked him.
There is no evidence that Rittenhouse did anything to invite the initial attack against him. "Carrying a gun" is not, in and of itself, a justification for someone to attack the carrier.
The event happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Not Washington.
The law in Wisconsin actually did allow him to possess and carry a rifle at the time; the way the law prohibiting minors from carrying weapons was written, he could only have violated it if he was illegally hunting. It's a rather technical point that the Wisconsin legislature probably should have corrected, but the judge dismissed the charges because the law did not actually prohibit him from carrying the rifle.
"Duty to retreat" would not have played a part in the Rittenhouse case: he was on video retreating from all three of the people he shot, as well as a fourth person who he attempted to shoot, but missed. The first attacker was in contact with the rifle as Rittenhouse was running backwards from him. The next two attackers attempted to jump him after he had fallen. The fourth had a gun in his hand with his hands up, indicating he was not a threat. Rittenhouse initially held his fire. However, the final attacker suddenly pointed the weapon and lunged toward Rittenhouse.
Duty to retreat doesn't mean you can't go anywhere, it means that if someone attacks you in a place you are legally allowed to occupy (like your home, car, work, public spaces), you are obligated to attempt to escape to the best of your ability, and only when that option is exhausted can you defend yourself.
Ironically, he ran from Rosenbaum until he was cornered, then ran from the mob yelling "get him" until he was downed by a guy with a rock, so he met the legal definition of "duty to retreat" whether or not he had to in WI.
The only argument that could be made is the "were legally allowed to occupy" bit as there was a curfew in place that night, however IIRC that curfew was later ruled to not be legal itself, and that would also have applied to everyone in the entire city of Kenosha at the time, including those who attacked Kyle.
Furthermore, he drove 20min from his mother's in Antioch, yes, however his father lived in Kenosha, he worked in Kenosha, and had multiple friends in Kenosha, it wasn't just some random place. Also Huber and Grosskreutz both drove further, albeit from further north WI rather than IL, but still further distance, and Grosskreutz brought a gun he wasn't legally allowed to own (the one he pointed at Kyle.) The only one who didn't travel was Rosenbaum who was a violent criminal released from a mental facility into that chaotic situation with presumably nowhere to go, which seems like it may have been a poor choice on someone's part.
Washington isn't a duty to retreat state, but duty to retreat laws often do cover accelerating a conflict with your weapon. Going open carry, as an opposing force and as a bright white little boy, to a riot started due to racial inequity could be considered accelerating a conflict. But those laws don't apply here anyway.
But yeah, 20 minutes isn't a far distance. And he did his best to retreat even after he put himself in that situation, and I don't think there was any better decision to make besides just not being there. For him and the shit stains that attacked him.
WI != WA. But in any case, no, if he had the legal right to be there and the legal right to carry there, carrying there is not a basis for arguing he accelerated the conflict. Brandishing would be a good basis for that, but brandishing != carrying open or otherwise, and he was not brandishing.
For sure, I agree he shouldn't have been there. That same night there were also less eventful riots in my area too, and did I go to them? No, I stayed to protect my home and my loved ones with my rifle. Luckily there was no need, the stuff that got burned down and the people that got jumped all ended up being in another part of town, but that's their problem I'm not obligated to protect them as shitty as that is, I gotta look out for me and mine.
Is murder a mistake?
Generally considered to be, yes.
he has such a punchable face, my right hand starts itching every time i see a picture of him
Lol I was thinking this exact thing
He'd shoot you.
that little bitch would be dead before he could get his hand on the trigger.
That's what the guy he killed thought.
ok. live your life in fear of conservative dweebs then.
Not kicking a beehive is not living in fear of bees.
Long story short, shoot him first, then punch him
If you've already shot him, I'd say piss on him.
In twenty years, he's going to be the Governor of a backwater state like Alabama or something, he's sadly going to be remembered as this Right Wing Folk Hero forever.
I learned something yesterday on Lemmy that completely fits here…
Do you ever look at someone and feel like punching them in the face? Well, Germans have a unique word for that face: a Backpfeifengesicht — a face that’s badly in need of a fist.
Not quite correct. A Backpfeife is a slap with the open hand, not a punch with a fist. But it sure does apply to Kyle either way.
Aren't words like this basically just German phrases concatenated together?
He should follow his own advice and gtfo
If Kyle Rittenhouse doesn't like Native Americans he can leave.
No, wait, other countries don't want to deal with the US's bullshit.
We don't have to send him to another country. Just put him on a raft in the middle of the ocean.
great pacific garbage patch, population: nazis
They seem to love Russia now. Send him there.
I vote for life in prison
As a squid, I think all those filthy, stupid homo sapiens should go back to Africa where they came from.
And then up into the trees where they came from.
But say that sort of thing today and you get cancelled!
Trees? They shouldn't have ever left the oceans if you ask me.
Don't make the monkey-men our problem, Betelgeuseian.
Middle school dropout clinging to a gun and living 24/7 in fully consuming fear that people find out he's just a frightened child (which of course, everyone already knows)
caucasity
I learned a new word today.
Though I am mystified that the author wrote an entire article describing Rittenhouse's caucasity without using the term white supremacist once. You don't get caucasity without white supremacism.
That’s not really true unless it has evolved since it first appeared. It used to just mean saying/doing something from the place of ignorance or privilege of being white or even just some weird shit like what midwesterners get up to when they dream up new “casseroles.” It was a fun word for use on reaction social media and memes. I hope it hasn’t come to describing white supremacy, an unfortunate trend for too many things these days.
like what midwesterners get up to when they dream up new “casseroles.”
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
It used to just mean saying/doing something from the place of ignorance or privilege of being white
And what did you think that was rooted in?
Being ignorant of some issue a non-white person might have doesn't make you a white supremacist.
doesn’t make you a white supremacist.
The fact that you feel personally attacked as soon as somebody used the term white supremacism says... what? You can take a shot at answering that... or I could answer it for you if it makes it easier. I assure you it will be perfectly painless.
Being ignorant of some issue a non-white person might
And what kind of people has been enforcing this ignorance all this time? Maybe the same kind of people you'll find in Rittenhouse's YT rec-list?
I didn't feel attacked though, at least not until right now where you're clearly accusing me of being a white supremacist?? Where do you get off doing that to somebody you've never even spoken to before?
When I say something stupid and have it pointed out to me that it's coming from a perspective of privilege, I realize my fault and try to do better. Believe it or not, nobody is perfect, and me not knowing literally every way I might have it better than somebody else doesn't suddenly make me believe white people are the superior race.
You can take a shot at answering that... or I could answer it for you if it makes it easier.
But thanks for the offer, you self righteous asshole. Fuck off.
I didn’t feel attacked though,
This you?
have doesn’t make you a white supremacist.
And then there's this...
until right now where you’re clearly accusing me of being a white supremacist??
You turning reactionary at the mere mention of the term white supremacism is pretty telling. Remember... at no point did I actually accuse you of anything.
it’s coming from a perspective of privilege,
Where does this privilege come from? What created it, and for what reasons?
doesn’t suddenly make me believe white people are the superior race.
You know overt white supremacism? You did know that it's only the visible tip of the white supremacism iceberg, right? And that the biggest part of it is hidden... even from you?
But thanks for the offer, you self righteous asshole. Fuck off.
I will take that as an endorsement of the latter option. Very well.
You feel attacked because you are invested in whiteness without even being aware of it. This is not some "personal failing" on your part - it's just the way white supremacism works and has worked long before any of us was even born. It really has very little to do with your personal feelings on the matter - if white supremacism relied on individualism to function it would have gone extinct a week after it was invented.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and bet that you always feel the need to "distance" yourself from the likes of Rittenhouse and his ilk, because you don't want people to associate your whiteness with his. The reason for that is really simple... in our fundamentally white supremacist society, race is literally the most important identifier there is - in spite of the fact that people have been debunking "race science" as pseudo-scientific hokum since at least 1836.
And yet... here we are - still dealing with it's consequences.
This you?
What the hell is the even supposed to mean? By saying that a group of people I never even claimed to be a part of aren't necessarily white supremacists, I'm somehow feeling attacked? You know, if somebody were to say all Germans are as bad as Hitler, I would argue with them. That doesn't mean I personally felt attacked and thought I was being compared to Hitler. You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.
You know overt white supremacism?
Irrelevant. Overt, subtle, it doesn't matter. You're calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racist—and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.
You turning reactionary at the mere mention of the term white supremacism is pretty telling. Remember… at no point did I actually accuse you of anything.
I did not turn reactionary at the mere mention of the term. I turned reactionary at you heavily implying that I am one, you fucking ass. And no, the distinction between that and actually calling me one is irrelevant. But go ahead and play your little holier than thou act. I hope you're at least fooling yourself, because you're certainly not fooling anybody else.
You feel attacked because...
See above.
I’m going to take a wild guess here and bet that you always feel the need to “distance” yourself from the likes of Rittenhouse and his ilk, because you don’t want people to associate your whiteness with his.
Uh, no. It's telling that you're so obsessed with the color of my skin, but I actually don't give a fuck about this man or that we share a similar shade of skin. Maybe you should look at yourself in a mirror instead of projecting your racism onto others. If I wish to distance myself from him, it's due to his politics and shitty views, not because of his skin color. Just like I'd like to distance myself from Hitler or Stalin. Or you, for that matter. I'm sure you know what I think better than I do, though, so please, why don't you go ahead and tell me how wrong I am about my own thoughts on the matter? Maybe if you keep it up long enough, you'll finally wonder why it's getting hard to breathe and notice that you've got your own dick shoved 3 inches down your throat!
You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.
Riiight... you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?
You’re calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racist—and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.
Ooooh... and that would be such a terrible thing, right? You were born into a fundamentally white supremacist society, so it's perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldn't possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right? After all... it's all about your personal feels on the matter, correct? I guess this fundamentally white supremacist society must have remained so through sheer coincidence, right?
You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacism's roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attack... but you may want to start looking into it - the roots of white supremacism isn't going to remain a secret much longer.
Riiight… you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?
You know, you keep saying this, but until you directly attacked my character, I was completely unmoved by your comment. I didn't give a shit about you and was just lightly disagreeing with you in my original comment. Maybe you should go back and re-read this full comment chain because I literally have zero fucking clue where you're getting this idea from. I'd like to see you point out, with the full context, where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.
Ooooh… and that would be such a terrible thing, right?
Correct.
so it’s perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldn’t possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right?
Did I say that? Are you actually obtuse or did you just miss the bit where I said this:
When I say something stupid and have it pointed out to me that it’s coming from a perspective of privilege, I realize my fault and try to do better. Believe it or not, nobody is perfect...
Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because I'm white. That is, quite literally, racist.
You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacism’s roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attack…
Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color. I REPEAT, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT BEING WHITE. I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU THINK I DO. Seriously, for the love of god, pull your dick out of your mouth and take a deep breath. I think the lack of oxygen going to your brain is getting to you. And then maybe you can actually try listening to me. The thing that I took as an attack was you heavily implying that I'm racist. You know, an attack. Go ahead though, keep ignoring me when I tell you this. That dick ain't gonna suck itself.
but until you directly attacked my character,
Which part of...
This is not some “personal failing” on your part
...are you having a hard time understanding? White supremacism has nothing to do with your character, genius.
where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.
We literally have a term for this, you know... it's called having a reactionary fit. And yours is going no different than all the others I've witnessed over the years. I've witnessed it so many times that I do believe it's unavoidable.
Correct.
Why? Why is it such a terrible thing to admit that white supremacism is bigger than you and your personal feels about it? Why is it so difficult to admit that literally growing up in a fundamentally white supremacist society has, by design, not equipped you to view the world through a lens that isn't white supremacist?
I realize my fault and try to do better.
"Do better" at what? Being a "good white?" There's no such thing... there is just white. Caucasity. It all flows from the same place - the whole point of white is white supremacism. It serves absolutely no purpose otherwise.
And how are you "doing better" when you get all reactionary when somene asks you to explain why you even have all this privilege in the first place? It's almost as if you don't really want to know... perhaps because the whole reason you have it is actually closely linked to the very reason the Rittenhouses of this world act the way they do?
Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because I’m white.
Appealing to "reverse racism" is not going to work for you here - that only works on liberals.
Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color.
Then prove it. Detach yourself from whiteness long enough so that you can actually observe what it is we are talking about from the outside. You know... the exact opposite from what you've been doing up until now?
Literally everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist. Why u mad bro? You racist? You must be racist if you're getting mad at me calling you racist.
Literally everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist.
Right, right... we exist in a fundamentally white supremacist society - except nobody can be influenced by white supremacism at all because admitting to it will hurt our feels.
Any other tell-tale signs you want to show off before we continue?
Shut up racist, no one cares what you have to say
Has hysterically accusing others of "racism!" when someone mentions the term white supremacism worked for you anywhere else?
Has your swastika tatoo stopped bleeding yet?
Yawn... what else do you have?
"Antifascists are the real fascists!" perhaps? Or, "Antizionists are the real antisemites!" hmmm?
why does he look like the body horror renditions of cartoon characters that artists would do sometimes, for comedic effect.
This dude looks like fucking spongebob.
Ren and Stimpy closeup looking mfer
just missing two crossed band-aids and a hairy pimple
brutal
person trying to make a career out of being the living embodiment of the idea of ragebait says something intended to provoke angry reactions from people
I'd love to leave and not be stuck in a country with assholes like him but I can't afford it. It's like $2,500 just to renounce your citizenship.
Unfortunately there's these kinds of assholes in every country.
People: What a bunch of bastards.
I'd love to not live in a country with him, but if I leave, I know the country gets a little bit worse for those who can't leave. This is why I advocate for staying in awful states if you can do so safely. If you leave, then the state gets even worse for the people who want to but can't.
I mean what would happen if you just left?
There are edge cases where you still need to pay/file taxes.
Pretty sure you need to file them so long as you remain a citizen in any circumstances you would need to file them while in the US, you just don't have to pay US taxes on income you've already paid taxes on in your country of residence, up to something like $100,000/year for a single individual.
I don't know if they resolved it, but I also recall it became more of a pain to open a foreign bank account as a US citizen, because they US government was trying to impose reporting requirements on any bank that had accounts held by US citizens, regardless of where they were.
What would they do of you just did not pay those?
Presumably they could make entering or leaving the country very difficult. So if you have family/friends in the US or ever have a reason to travel back to the country (pleasure or business) you could find yourself saddled with more debt than you might ever be able to repay
Makes sense. But if you don't and don't plan on coming back...
Then you have to ask "are my non-US accounts able to be shut down/frozen by the IRS/US?"
The answer is probably no, but not always.
True the US has some insane fucking rules and too much power over bullshit like this
Agreed.
Is there a phrase or term that describes this type of argument?
Where instead of addressing the problem or considering it the answer is "Just leave" or "Just stop using it"...etc
It's a form of dismissiveness, but I'm sure there's a name for it.
stop using it
Are the MAGA crowd actively cancelling products now?
Didn’t they once throw out all their bud light because it was, checks notes… woke
....and Bud Light is back at #1, because the boycott boyz are pussies.....
.....also, the 'woke' NFL is bigger than it's ever been.....
Yeah they don’t actually have morals, they just react to current trends and will revert back when it becomes inconvenient.
Me personally haven’t used FaceBook in a decade. Don’t use WhatsApp. Not shipped on Amazon for a couple of years now. Recently boycotted McD, etc.
All of these things inconvenience my life to some extent but that’s the price of having morals. This fuckers are just going with the crowd.
I feel like where I am. Starbucks used to play the place that well off white people went. It still is, but now it's for liberals. Ever since the Great War (on Christmas), conservatives don't go there.
I question how liberal people are if they’re going Starbucks. They have an appalling record in terms of mining beans, how they treat their staff and their relationship with Israel.
It was never all of McDonald’s,just the ones in Israel, and they were all franchises owned by one man.
McDonald’s took such a publicity hit over something that wasn’t even their fault that they bought all the stores and made them corporate.
Edit: punctuation
Yeah but McD are hardly going to be winning moral corporation of the year anyway so I’ll happily avoid them still.
Plus it can’t hurt my health or wallet.
True that
I boycott McD be because of the sexual misconduct that's occured in franchises around the world. Israel wasn't the first bs McD has been caught in.
They set their Nikes on fire too. Plus there was something related to target last year over pride month products.
I dunno, but if he ever tried to have an argument with me I’d probably just assume he was trying to provoke a fight and punch him in the face.
He has a very punchable face. Nice and soft but it still makes this hollow ringing sound, I’ve heard.
For this specifically, "Traitorous Critic Fallacy". More broadly, an Ad Hominem argument.
It's not even really an argument though, is it? So maybe 'thought terminating cliché' is appropriate
Also curious.
Maybe it's a hybrid False Dilemma and a Appeal to hypocrisy?
People have more options than taking your side, or leaving entirely. And not picking one of the two does not mean you are a hypocrite.
He's 21 years old & also he's gotten a lot of fame. We can't expect lots of great wisdom from him.
He's the Ryan Lochte of whatever it is he does. Except I guess Lochte was good at something.
I'm not going to click on any articles featuring him but I assume he's grifting the right. He'd be stupid not to.
I am on the right, and yes, he's right-grifty AF. Always has been. I'm sure my opinions on KR wouldn't be received well on Lemmy (not that I care too much), but we're probably in agreement here: ....why is this little boy relevant? 🤨 Like why should he be a 'thing', years later? He shot some people, that's it. So what's the formula here? Go to rally filled with violent criminals while open carrying, shoot people, ??????, profit? Not a KR fan by any means.
I was watching some YouTubers & KR was there for some reason, and they were waiting in anticipation "to see which college he'd choose!! 😍" they had 2 hats & he was going to grab one, put one on & I'm just like GUYS...I. Do. Not. Care. I just don't care. ¯\(°_o)/¯ It was SO strange watching him turn into a celebrity.
Yea, it makes no sense to keep putting the spotlight on him. His trial is done and over with. Regardless of which side of it you're on. If anything it helps him when people try to dunk on him for shit he says because more are just going to come out to support him.
We all saw your trail of tears on the stand, kyle.
Isn't this the kid that fired into a crowd? Why are we listening to anything he says again?
Because he's a darling of the right, and really riles up the left whenever he is mentioned. It's rage clicks either way, and people are easily played.
Exactly. They did this because they know it riles up the left.
the photo they used in the thumbnail 🤣
Did he cry about being forced to do that too?
Maybe he can join Kristi Noem and get banned from native lands... then get caught flaunting the ban. That shit would be hilarious.
What a stupid dumb ass
Struggling to remember if ive heard summat more stupid this year
Trump is the only one who might top him in the "saying stupid shit" Olympics.
Technically true, they are entitled to live in Canada
You just know that twerp has a little prick, and he’s mad about it.
wut
The list grows...
Anyone can leave if they hate America.
Imagine living in the land for generations, being forced to move to less desirable places because of invaders, and having to deal with said invaders saying "you can leave if you don't like it!"
You forgot the part wherein your allotment is reduced by 75%
Yeah that would suck. But it's still just a true statement. If Kyle Rittenhouse hates America he can leave.
Even if Native Americans do like America they can leave.
Anyone can leave for any reason.
It's just a dumb...I don't know I guess it's not actually a threat. Dumb phrase.
“Hi! I’m white and I hate you!”
It’s now your problem and you should move…
I'll just drop this here:
Kyle Rittenhouse’s Former Handler Reveals That He’s a Middle School Dropout Who Is ‘Angry With the World’
This dude isn't just your run of the mill conservative idiot, he's exceptionally stupid.
So what I read is that TPUSA enables useful idiots.
Stop giving attention whores what they want, for fuck's sake. It's like getting mad at Facebook comments which I thought we'd all learned was useless a decade ago.
TPUSA? Toilet paper USA? Is that a shit rag or something?
Its Turning Point USA but you aren't far off.
I work for a company that can be abbreviated TPUSA and they often do. A funny thing is that they had a big banner inside the building that said "Proud to be TP"
What do you expect? He was defending the oppressed businesses during a riot.
Here is the full transcript of Hancock’s (@DaveHan06) post on X/Twitter:
...
He doesn't appear to be the only one.
My dad is too, but he's 55. Guess where he puts his vote
I believe he scored so low on the USMC entrance exam that he's never allowed to pay again. Apparently it's not easy to score so low
I got a 97/99 on the ASVAB and I am a fucking moron.
What a boring fucking journalist. Imagine confidently typing "please make 8 words into 300" into chatGPT.
That level of irony should be illegal
So should the accompanying level of stupidity.
Conservatives, they don't send their best and brightest.
Oh god, maybe they do.
Hate to break it to you, but it’s actually illegal to kill people and he got away with doing it twice. I’m not happy about it, but he’s not going to be touched for this comment, I promise you.
He should be serving consecutive live sentences, but instead he was given a platform to speak on and became a poster child for conservative values.
The American “justice” system is a joke and a farce.
It should be fatal.
As soon as you say some bullshit like that? Chair to the face.
Is it not literally hate speech?
Oh, that’s good.
Definitely gotta add that one to the lexicon!
It's a bit self-hating white person to be honest.
Nope. Hating the bigotry of people who have skin color or another trait in common with yourself does not equal hating yourself. Caucasity is not a trait inherent to all white people.
Contrary to the fantasies of bigots, white people are not one big team united against everyone else.
It's not really a word. Also it clearly implies something is inherent to "Caucasians" - I can't be bothered to do any clever wordplay on the other supposed racial categories, but I suspect any equivalent puns might be considered a little problematic, what what?
Since it's used to convey meaning using letters and people understand that meaning, it by any definition that matters IS a word.
No. "Particularly Caucasians" ≠ "all Caucasians".
Good, because that would likely be punching down, unlike pointing out how audacious some white people are with their privilege.
No, they wouldn't be equivalent. Pointing out white privilege and criticizing those that wield it as both a sword and a shield is not the same as making fun of less privileged people or even white people who are aware of and don't exploit their privilege.
So, racism bad, except against white people?
Lol no
Nope. Pointing out that someone is being racist isn't itself racist.
I was referring to the whole "punching down" concept.
Still not racism against white people.
No? Isn't the whole idea that it's okay to say things about white people that it isn't okay to say about other races?
Nope. The idea is that it's okay to say things about white RACISTS that it would make no sense saying about any other people, white or not.
"White racist" isn't any more a race than for example "black embezzler" or "Japanese bigamist"
Ok, so if I say "man these Black criminals are ruining our city", then it's alright to backpedal when confronted and say "oh obviously I only meant specific Black people"?
Or, different example in the same sphere. Is it okay for a Black person to be racist against white people?
I don't agree with you.
It's not actually subjective. That's just how bigotry and privilege works 🤷
Okay.
Pretty caucasius of you.
I'm actually white, so the joke's on you.
Nope. The only joke is you.
The only joke? That's a sad state of affairs.
I get where you’re coming from, but most people who talk about race based inequality aren’t racist against white people, nor do they use words like caucascity to attack all white people but only those who uphold race based power structures (which would be judges, politicians, elites etc)
It's OK to create racial epithets if it's punching the right people.
That's not really the right line to draw.
Using it satirically to point out hypocrisy is one thing, and that's fair (but you need to make it obvious). If people don't get it's a particular person's actions you're mocking then you're doing it wrong
No need to mansplain it to me.
His opinions aren't newsworthy.
Can we agree to just vote the post to oblivion where it belongs?
Until the left outrage the paper generated gives him enough fake credibility to actually get elected.
I mean, he makes the rounds in the right wing grift-o-sphere somewhat regularly, has huge name recognition, and likely a very positive q score among maga types.
He probably doesn't need any leftist outrage to win a primary in the right district.
Is a positive q score how likely they are to believe in delusional conspiracy theories that are obvious rebrands of Nazi propaganda? Or am I thinking of a different q?
Yeah best to ignore twats don't give them clicks or views. Or write articles about them lol
The public should not care what Kyle Rittenhouse thinks and we should not amplify a stupid thing he said.
Let's not give this absolute nobody media space please...
This is the most click bait article I accidentally clicked on. I need to factory reset my phone after coming in contact with that website.
I'm happy they always use the picture of him crying like the bitch baby he is
Why report, what a crying murderer thinks?
*Fake crying
Why, comma?
Fordi det er grammatisk korrekt på mit sprog.
Or national hero, depending on who you ask
Imagine that being your hero.
I make the same expression after taco night.
I made it regularly for a month until I got treated in hospital. I had a flare up of ulcerative colitis.
Shitty.
Yes, much like the men who stormed Normandy Beach, Kyle Rittenhouse bravely shot at people who didn't have guns while running away from them.
Hero for sure.
Stop giving attention to this cunt
Dude may be a legit GOP Presidential contender one year, maybe we should stay on him?
something about crosshairs?
(beg pardon to the international audience, just trying to speak in terms that Americans will understand)
Dude is so dumb he got PERMANENTLY disqualified from joining the crayon eaters club. And this was during a time they were desperate for new recruits too lol
If this is real then holy fuck is he dumb.
I'm pretty sure the minimum ASVAB score is like 30. I'm pretty sure you could get that by randomly guessing on most of it. I try not to be too harsh in my judgements of the less intelligent but holy fuck do you have to be dumb to be fully disqualified.
You can pass the ASVAB enough to join by answering C on every question. I know this to be true because I worked with multiple guys who said they did exactly that. That may not be true today but it was 15 years ago.
Infantry only needs a 30, so statistically yeah I believe it's possible.
I went with a guy that scored 19. They were talking about bringing him back to retest later.
Fully and permanently... 😂
You can retest as much as needed, really, and if you can't get your score up a recruiter can schedule you time with a nearby Ed Center if there is one for ASVAB classes to get your scores up because "some folks aren't test takers!"
I'm not saying that fuckstick Mcbangbang is by any means smart but a permanent disqual for low ASVAB? I ain't seent it before.
I'm fairly certain a history of being tried in court because you're a trigger happy murderer also likely disqualifies you from joining the armed forces. That's too much of a ticking pipe bomb even for them.
The murder happened in August of 2020 and this says the test was taken in January 2020. This is seven months before then so I don't think that played a role.
It does show he wanted to join the military, presumably because he had a fascination with killing people. Maybe being rejected directly led to him finding a way to kill someone without joining the military.
If only we had a real judge instead of that partisan hack, the evidence that it was pre-meditated for him to put himself into a position where he'd be forced to "defend himself" is too overwhelming
Oh shit you're right, I didn't check dates. That's actually crazy, he actually is just clinically imbecilic then.
You get a certain amount just for filling out your name correctly.
When I took the asvab (decided not to join) another person was with me it was his 3rd time taking it and he failed again.
Seriously? I took it, thinking it would be good practice for SAT. It was not. I know they’re looking for a different demographic, but it was soooo mucheasier
Yeah, I was done at least 30 mins before him. The recruiter was all excited talking about all my options. I didn't even want to tell the poor guy my score 97( I think the scoring has changed since I took it but I believe it was out of 99 at the time). This was at the start of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's not https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rittenhouse-military-enlistment-test/
Makes sense. There's plenty of other reason to disqual someone
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rittenhouse-military-enlistment-test/
This email could be fake. There is zero verifiable evidence that Rittenhouse was permanently disqualified from serving because of a low ASVAB test score
Good thing to point out when people argue about this "Gun Discipline"
Why are we giving this odious little twerp the oxygen of publicity?
Because as important as it is to deplatform these idiots, we also need to know what they're doing. They're still going to be out there actively radicalizing people and you can't fight this shit if you don't know it exists.
Is he gonna pay for the passport, flight ticket, housing, etc?
I'm partly Native American, I'd like to know...
Edit: Where am I going anyways?... 🤔
Shit sign me up, long as we can go to one of those third world countries. You know the ones with free healthcare and a liveable wage.
Ah I see you like the idea of England then 🔥🔥 💯
Nah seriously though, if someone paid me off to GTF somewhere warm and slightly less comfortable, i'd be all over that like a cheap suit.
The kid couldn't even finish middle school. Don't worry about it.
One of my grandmothers told me that if you know how you came from her, even if you only have a drop of her blood left in you
You are Lakota.
I think that applies for all the Native People of the Americas.
I'm part Cherokee and part Chocktaw. The first book I read was a survival manual, at age 5. I'm soon to be 42, not like it matters.
I hope that Cherokee, Chocktaw, Lakota, and other tribes of Native Americans can generally agree these days, the government is fucked up..
I'm pretty sure most people other than those in government or corporations can agree the government is fucked up
Alwayshasbeen.meme
Could be a lot worse but yeah it is often very disappointing.
Your link isn't loading for me.
You don't even need to be a tribe member to understand how it's fucked up.
Indeed, the government is fucked up towards way more groups than that.
I'm not even a tribe member, from my understanding of my family heritage, I'm only about 23% Native American, which doesn't qualify me to live on a reservation.
But I have enough Native American in my blood to be interested and keep up with matters that affect Native Americans, of any tribe.
I hear ya. I have family that has blood and could take advantage of it but they don't.
I don't even think of it as a one group vs another. It's fucked up in many ways for many people. There plenty of fuckary spread around.
If the British government is any example, it'd be Rwanda.
If it's up to them, I'd assume it'd be to what they think your home country is, India.
Oh shit, I totally see what you did there.
Just take my upvote 👍
I'd do a tradesies and go live in one of those commie European countries with universal healthcare and education
This stupid fuck doesnt deserve any more attention
Infamous stupid hick says hateful, willfully ignorant rage bait. Middle school was too much for this fucking mental invalid. He may never see prison for what he's done, but he's trapped in that idiot mind and will never know greater awareness, just like he deserves.
There are times those of us who aren't total psychopaths are also a bit too lenient.
No, my thoughts come from a person who has no power to deliver proper punishment. From what I've read, it seems he's viewed as a petulant, perpetually angry prick. People like that are never happy, even when they get what they want, they just look for something else to hate. He's too uneducated and self centered to ever have proper introspection and growth. He's fucking stuck like that. Barring actual justice, at least he's trapped in that small mind.
Mine too comes from a place and person who does not have the power to deliver proper punishment, as an individual. Collectively, we do have a voice. We just have to use it correctly. Not just for this, for all things we view as evil. By speaking as one.
Oh? What do you perceive as the correct use of our voice in this specific instance?
Specific? Not much. We're too late on this one. What we can do is stop bickering and slap fighting in a corner and come together to help ensure people like this are held accountable more often. It's a road we need to walk, not a single instance or single situation that will help solve the larger systemic issues.
You say he deserves blissfull ignorance.
No. He deserves a minute inside the Absolute Perspective Vortex.
To torment him with the realization?
Yes. The opposite of blissful ignorance is painful maximal understanding, right? Maybe he should be gifted a "Blessing of Unfathomable Empathy" by a great and powerful witch instead.
Whichever is easiest. Or more painful emotionally.
Empathy could be useful.
He could still turn his life around if he had empathy.
Could said witch perhaps try her luck on any of the GOP usual suspects and make them less ghoulish? Where would one even start?
How do you think they got this way?
From what I understand he's damn sure ignorant, but never blissful. Like I said, a stupid hick.
STOP. GIVING. HIM. ATTENTION.
Billionaire media money machine goes brrrrrr
I have no idea who the fuck he is
A murderer that got away with it
Not Daniel Perry, though. The other one.
This pig faced little dweeb is the one who should leave.
That murdering piece of shit should be in prison or dead.
The "justice" system only encourages vigilantism by its failure.
I hope they use that thumbnail of him pretending to cry in court for every shitty article they write about him.
The quintessential "Piss Baby"
One day it’ll be in his obituary
Teenage murderer.
this guy is such a pussy it's unbelievable
He's echoing sentiments white nationalists have espoused for centuries.
Pretty sure Christopher Columbus is on record telling a native to "Love it or Leave it"
No, he was too busy with murdering them.
I looked through to see who revived this old story, ready to point my finger at OP or the article, but it turns out the person who revived this old story is Kyle Rittenhouse. A murderous opportunist.
Everyone who defended him during the trial or afterwards has signed a blood pact with the man and has to continue to defend everything he ever does or says forever.
Heaven forbid anyone admit to making a mistake!
I think people are misunderstanding this comment.
I think he's making fun of the idiots that continue to stick to a wrong opinion because they don't want to say they are wrong.
Yes, that is exactly what I meant.
I defended him during the trial, and I was not wrong. He was innocent. He's still an absolute piece of shit and dumber than a sack of weights, but the shootings were absolutely in self defense.
I still defend his innocense in the trial specifically, and nothing else this piece of shit does.
That's what the blood pact comment was getting at. You can hate everything he's saying and still believe he shot in self defense. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I'll be honest that I have only peripherally paid attention to the Rittenhouse trial, and maybe you can help me understand it a bit better.
Didn't he travel a good distance to "defend" a business, one he had no right or reason to defend with a deadly weapon? Was it really just that Washington is a "stand your ground" and not a "duty to retreat" state that made him innocent on that?
If so, that's definitely a good argument for a duty to retreat legal doctrine, because it's one hell of a loophole to allow people to purposefully put themselves into a conflict, accelerate things with an open threat, and try to claim you did nothing wrong.
Yes, which is not murder or a component of murder.
No, and I think this is where a lot of the hysreria around the trial came from. He didn't stand his ground, he ran away was being chased. One of the men chasing him was trying to grab his gun, and another pointed a gun at him.
I think the great majority of the people calling him a murderer have never actually looked into what happened that night.
You're right, I don't think he was guilty of murder, but that wasn't the only focus of the trial was it? Seems like there should have been a better case brought against him, but there wasn't a good legal precedent or framework to really categorize the level of responsibility he had for the situation. While it isn't murder, it's something.
True, and I think that speaks to the loophole point you brought up. He very obviously went there and was okay with the possibility of doing harm to people. That, in itself, should be illegal, but it's very hard to prove.
By that logic anyone who carries and is willing to defend their life if necessary could be argued to be "okay with the possibility of doing harm to people." Clearly that's not what you meant but it is important to think about how laws could be abused when advocating for things to be illegal, as other people are able to interpret laws differently than intended based on improper wording.
If I remember correctly he traveled from a neighboring town to Kenosha WI. But people get hung up on how he traveled from his home in Illinois all the way to Wisconsin to do this without bothering to look at a map and see that Kenosha is right on the border with Illinois
But he also immediately after getting bailed out went and did a photo op/party with white nationalists, I think I remember he even made white nationalist gestures for the camera so guilty or not he's a piece of shit
Iirc fwiw that "White nationalist symbol" was the OK symbol, which is not a white nationalist symbol and never was. The closest it gets is 4chan convinced some news agencies that it was simply because 4chan is trolls, the news bought it, and then instead of saying "ok you got us good that time Mr Anonymoose" they doubled down and said "no look it really is and if it wasn't it is now," and as a result of that every right winger nazi or not thought it was hilarious and in using it weren't saying "white power" but rather "liberals are idiots, they still think this means WP." It's literally just a hand signal version of "lets go brandon."
Idk about whatever group he was with, but I cringe every time I see that old troll still working on people. It gives them too much power, they're literally using it making fun of "stupid people who think it means WP" and by being one of those people we play right into their desired role.
You can argue that it was not prudent for him - or anyone - to be there, but you cannot argue that he had no right to be there. He had the exact same right to be there as all the protesters, and much more right to be there than any of the rioters and arsonists, including the arsonist who initially attacked him.
There is no evidence that Rittenhouse did anything to invite the initial attack against him. "Carrying a gun" is not, in and of itself, a justification for someone to attack the carrier.
The event happened in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Not Washington.
The law in Wisconsin actually did allow him to possess and carry a rifle at the time; the way the law prohibiting minors from carrying weapons was written, he could only have violated it if he was illegally hunting. It's a rather technical point that the Wisconsin legislature probably should have corrected, but the judge dismissed the charges because the law did not actually prohibit him from carrying the rifle.
"Duty to retreat" would not have played a part in the Rittenhouse case: he was on video retreating from all three of the people he shot, as well as a fourth person who he attempted to shoot, but missed. The first attacker was in contact with the rifle as Rittenhouse was running backwards from him. The next two attackers attempted to jump him after he had fallen. The fourth had a gun in his hand with his hands up, indicating he was not a threat. Rittenhouse initially held his fire. However, the final attacker suddenly pointed the weapon and lunged toward Rittenhouse.
Duty to retreat doesn't mean you can't go anywhere, it means that if someone attacks you in a place you are legally allowed to occupy (like your home, car, work, public spaces), you are obligated to attempt to escape to the best of your ability, and only when that option is exhausted can you defend yourself.
Ironically, he ran from Rosenbaum until he was cornered, then ran from the mob yelling "get him" until he was downed by a guy with a rock, so he met the legal definition of "duty to retreat" whether or not he had to in WI.
The only argument that could be made is the "were legally allowed to occupy" bit as there was a curfew in place that night, however IIRC that curfew was later ruled to not be legal itself, and that would also have applied to everyone in the entire city of Kenosha at the time, including those who attacked Kyle.
Furthermore, he drove 20min from his mother's in Antioch, yes, however his father lived in Kenosha, he worked in Kenosha, and had multiple friends in Kenosha, it wasn't just some random place. Also Huber and Grosskreutz both drove further, albeit from further north WI rather than IL, but still further distance, and Grosskreutz brought a gun he wasn't legally allowed to own (the one he pointed at Kyle.) The only one who didn't travel was Rosenbaum who was a violent criminal released from a mental facility into that chaotic situation with presumably nowhere to go, which seems like it may have been a poor choice on someone's part.
Washington isn't a duty to retreat state, but duty to retreat laws often do cover accelerating a conflict with your weapon. Going open carry, as an opposing force and as a bright white little boy, to a riot started due to racial inequity could be considered accelerating a conflict. But those laws don't apply here anyway.
But yeah, 20 minutes isn't a far distance. And he did his best to retreat even after he put himself in that situation, and I don't think there was any better decision to make besides just not being there. For him and the shit stains that attacked him.
WI != WA. But in any case, no, if he had the legal right to be there and the legal right to carry there, carrying there is not a basis for arguing he accelerated the conflict. Brandishing would be a good basis for that, but brandishing != carrying open or otherwise, and he was not brandishing.
For sure, I agree he shouldn't have been there. That same night there were also less eventful riots in my area too, and did I go to them? No, I stayed to protect my home and my loved ones with my rifle. Luckily there was no need, the stuff that got burned down and the people that got jumped all ended up being in another part of town, but that's their problem I'm not obligated to protect them as shitty as that is, I gotta look out for me and mine.
Is murder a mistake?
Generally considered to be, yes.
he has such a punchable face, my right hand starts itching every time i see a picture of him
Lol I was thinking this exact thing
He'd shoot you.
that little bitch would be dead before he could get his hand on the trigger.
That's what the guy he killed thought.
ok. live your life in fear of conservative dweebs then.
Not kicking a beehive is not living in fear of bees.
Long story short, shoot him first, then punch him
If you've already shot him, I'd say piss on him.
In twenty years, he's going to be the Governor of a backwater state like Alabama or something, he's sadly going to be remembered as this Right Wing Folk Hero forever.
I learned something yesterday on Lemmy that completely fits here…
Not quite correct. A Backpfeife is a slap with the open hand, not a punch with a fist. But it sure does apply to Kyle either way.
Aren't words like this basically just German phrases concatenated together?
He should follow his own advice and gtfo
If Kyle Rittenhouse doesn't like Native Americans he can leave.
No, wait, other countries don't want to deal with the US's bullshit.
We don't have to send him to another country. Just put him on a raft in the middle of the ocean.
great pacific garbage patch, population: nazis
They seem to love Russia now. Send him there.
I vote for life in prison
As a squid, I think all those filthy, stupid homo sapiens should go back to Africa where they came from.
And then up into the trees where they came from.
But say that sort of thing today and you get cancelled!
Trees? They shouldn't have ever left the oceans if you ask me.
Don't make the monkey-men our problem, Betelgeuseian.
Middle school dropout clinging to a gun and living 24/7 in fully consuming fear that people find out he's just a frightened child (which of course, everyone already knows)
I learned a new word today.
Though I am mystified that the author wrote an entire article describing Rittenhouse's caucasity without using the term white supremacist once. You don't get caucasity without white supremacism.
That’s not really true unless it has evolved since it first appeared. It used to just mean saying/doing something from the place of ignorance or privilege of being white or even just some weird shit like what midwesterners get up to when they dream up new “casseroles.” It was a fun word for use on reaction social media and memes. I hope it hasn’t come to describing white supremacy, an unfortunate trend for too many things these days.
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
And what did you think that was rooted in?
Being ignorant of some issue a non-white person might have doesn't make you a white supremacist.
The fact that you feel personally attacked as soon as somebody used the term white supremacism says... what? You can take a shot at answering that... or I could answer it for you if it makes it easier. I assure you it will be perfectly painless.
And what kind of people has been enforcing this ignorance all this time? Maybe the same kind of people you'll find in Rittenhouse's YT rec-list?
I didn't feel attacked though, at least not until right now where you're clearly accusing me of being a white supremacist?? Where do you get off doing that to somebody you've never even spoken to before?
When I say something stupid and have it pointed out to me that it's coming from a perspective of privilege, I realize my fault and try to do better. Believe it or not, nobody is perfect, and me not knowing literally every way I might have it better than somebody else doesn't suddenly make me believe white people are the superior race.
But thanks for the offer, you self righteous asshole. Fuck off.
This you?
And then there's this...
You turning reactionary at the mere mention of the term white supremacism is pretty telling. Remember... at no point did I actually accuse you of anything.
Where does this privilege come from? What created it, and for what reasons?
You know overt white supremacism? You did know that it's only the visible tip of the white supremacism iceberg, right? And that the biggest part of it is hidden... even from you?
I will take that as an endorsement of the latter option. Very well.
You feel attacked because you are invested in whiteness without even being aware of it. This is not some "personal failing" on your part - it's just the way white supremacism works and has worked long before any of us was even born. It really has very little to do with your personal feelings on the matter - if white supremacism relied on individualism to function it would have gone extinct a week after it was invented.
I'm going to take a wild guess here and bet that you always feel the need to "distance" yourself from the likes of Rittenhouse and his ilk, because you don't want people to associate your whiteness with his. The reason for that is really simple... in our fundamentally white supremacist society, race is literally the most important identifier there is - in spite of the fact that people have been debunking "race science" as pseudo-scientific hokum since at least 1836.
And yet... here we are - still dealing with it's consequences.
What the hell is the even supposed to mean? By saying that a group of people I never even claimed to be a part of aren't necessarily white supremacists, I'm somehow feeling attacked? You know, if somebody were to say all Germans are as bad as Hitler, I would argue with them. That doesn't mean I personally felt attacked and thought I was being compared to Hitler. You do not need to feel personally attacked by something in order to defend it.
Irrelevant. Overt, subtle, it doesn't matter. You're calling me, somebody you know nothing about, racist—and for that, you can kindly fuck right off.
I did not turn reactionary at the mere mention of the term. I turned reactionary at you heavily implying that I am one, you fucking ass. And no, the distinction between that and actually calling me one is irrelevant. But go ahead and play your little holier than thou act. I hope you're at least fooling yourself, because you're certainly not fooling anybody else.
See above.
Uh, no. It's telling that you're so obsessed with the color of my skin, but I actually don't give a fuck about this man or that we share a similar shade of skin. Maybe you should look at yourself in a mirror instead of projecting your racism onto others. If I wish to distance myself from him, it's due to his politics and shitty views, not because of his skin color. Just like I'd like to distance myself from Hitler or Stalin. Or you, for that matter. I'm sure you know what I think better than I do, though, so please, why don't you go ahead and tell me how wrong I am about my own thoughts on the matter? Maybe if you keep it up long enough, you'll finally wonder why it's getting hard to breathe and notice that you've got your own dick shoved 3 inches down your throat!
Riiight... you were just acting like a scalded cat for shits and giggles, eh?
Ooooh... and that would be such a terrible thing, right? You were born into a fundamentally white supremacist society, so it's perfectly rational to pretend that this fundamentally white supremacist society couldn't possibly have affected you, superheroic liberal that you are, in any possible way, right? After all... it's all about your personal feels on the matter, correct? I guess this fundamentally white supremacist society must have remained so through sheer coincidence, right?
You are so incapable of detaching yourself from whiteness that you will literally view any mention of white supremacism's roots in white, western liberalism as a personal attack... but you may want to start looking into it - the roots of white supremacism isn't going to remain a secret much longer.
You know, you keep saying this, but until you directly attacked my character, I was completely unmoved by your comment. I didn't give a shit about you and was just lightly disagreeing with you in my original comment. Maybe you should go back and re-read this full comment chain because I literally have zero fucking clue where you're getting this idea from. I'd like to see you point out, with the full context, where I acted defensive before you actually attacked me personally.
Correct.
Did I say that? Are you actually obtuse or did you just miss the bit where I said this:
Anyway, maybe you should stop calling me racist just because I'm white. That is, quite literally, racist.
Again, I do not give a shit about my skin color. I REPEAT, I DO NOT CARE ABOUT BEING WHITE. I DO NOT KNOW WHY YOU THINK I DO. Seriously, for the love of god, pull your dick out of your mouth and take a deep breath. I think the lack of oxygen going to your brain is getting to you. And then maybe you can actually try listening to me. The thing that I took as an attack was you heavily implying that I'm racist. You know, an attack. Go ahead though, keep ignoring me when I tell you this. That dick ain't gonna suck itself.
Which part of...
...are you having a hard time understanding? White supremacism has nothing to do with your character, genius.
We literally have a term for this, you know... it's called having a reactionary fit. And yours is going no different than all the others I've witnessed over the years. I've witnessed it so many times that I do believe it's unavoidable.
Why? Why is it such a terrible thing to admit that white supremacism is bigger than you and your personal feels about it? Why is it so difficult to admit that literally growing up in a fundamentally white supremacist society has, by design, not equipped you to view the world through a lens that isn't white supremacist?
"Do better" at what? Being a "good white?" There's no such thing... there is just white. Caucasity. It all flows from the same place - the whole point of white is white supremacism. It serves absolutely no purpose otherwise.
And how are you "doing better" when you get all reactionary when somene asks you to explain why you even have all this privilege in the first place? It's almost as if you don't really want to know... perhaps because the whole reason you have it is actually closely linked to the very reason the Rittenhouses of this world act the way they do?
Appealing to "reverse racism" is not going to work for you here - that only works on liberals.
Then prove it. Detach yourself from whiteness long enough so that you can actually observe what it is we are talking about from the outside. You know... the exact opposite from what you've been doing up until now?
Literally everyone who disagrees with me is a white supremacist. Why u mad bro? You racist? You must be racist if you're getting mad at me calling you racist.
Right, right... we exist in a fundamentally white supremacist society - except nobody can be influenced by white supremacism at all because admitting to it will hurt our feels.
Any other tell-tale signs you want to show off before we continue?
Shut up racist, no one cares what you have to say
Has hysterically accusing others of "racism!" when someone mentions the term white supremacism worked for you anywhere else?
Has your swastika tatoo stopped bleeding yet?
Yawn... what else do you have?
"Antifascists are the real fascists!" perhaps? Or, "Antizionists are the real antisemites!" hmmm?
Come now... show everybody what you really are.
Oh so you're a fascist too? I should've guessed
why does he look like the body horror renditions of cartoon characters that artists would do sometimes, for comedic effect.
This dude looks like fucking spongebob.
Ren and Stimpy closeup looking mfer
just missing two crossed band-aids and a hairy pimple
brutal
I'd love to leave and not be stuck in a country with assholes like him but I can't afford it. It's like $2,500 just to renounce your citizenship.
Unfortunately there's these kinds of assholes in every country.
People: What a bunch of bastards.
I'd love to not live in a country with him, but if I leave, I know the country gets a little bit worse for those who can't leave. This is why I advocate for staying in awful states if you can do so safely. If you leave, then the state gets even worse for the people who want to but can't.
I mean what would happen if you just left?
There are edge cases where you still need to pay/file taxes.
Pretty sure you need to file them so long as you remain a citizen in any circumstances you would need to file them while in the US, you just don't have to pay US taxes on income you've already paid taxes on in your country of residence, up to something like $100,000/year for a single individual.
I don't know if they resolved it, but I also recall it became more of a pain to open a foreign bank account as a US citizen, because they US government was trying to impose reporting requirements on any bank that had accounts held by US citizens, regardless of where they were.
What would they do of you just did not pay those?
Presumably they could make entering or leaving the country very difficult. So if you have family/friends in the US or ever have a reason to travel back to the country (pleasure or business) you could find yourself saddled with more debt than you might ever be able to repay
Makes sense. But if you don't and don't plan on coming back...
Then you have to ask "are my non-US accounts able to be shut down/frozen by the IRS/US?"
The answer is probably no, but not always.
True the US has some insane fucking rules and too much power over bullshit like this
Agreed.
Is there a phrase or term that describes this type of argument?
Where instead of addressing the problem or considering it the answer is "Just leave" or "Just stop using it"...etc
It's a form of dismissiveness, but I'm sure there's a name for it.
Are the MAGA crowd actively cancelling products now?
Didn’t they once throw out all their bud light because it was, checks notes… woke
....and Bud Light is back at #1, because the boycott boyz are pussies.....
.....also, the 'woke' NFL is bigger than it's ever been.....
Yeah they don’t actually have morals, they just react to current trends and will revert back when it becomes inconvenient.
Me personally haven’t used FaceBook in a decade. Don’t use WhatsApp. Not shipped on Amazon for a couple of years now. Recently boycotted McD, etc.
All of these things inconvenience my life to some extent but that’s the price of having morals. This fuckers are just going with the crowd.
I feel like where I am. Starbucks used to play the place that well off white people went. It still is, but now it's for liberals. Ever since the Great War (on Christmas), conservatives don't go there.
I question how liberal people are if they’re going Starbucks. They have an appalling record in terms of mining beans, how they treat their staff and their relationship with Israel.
It was never all of McDonald’s,just the ones in Israel, and they were all franchises owned by one man.
McDonald’s took such a publicity hit over something that wasn’t even their fault that they bought all the stores and made them corporate.
Edit: punctuation
Yeah but McD are hardly going to be winning moral corporation of the year anyway so I’ll happily avoid them still.
Plus it can’t hurt my health or wallet.
True that
I boycott McD be because of the sexual misconduct that's occured in franchises around the world. Israel wasn't the first bs McD has been caught in.
They set their Nikes on fire too. Plus there was something related to target last year over pride month products.
I dunno, but if he ever tried to have an argument with me I’d probably just assume he was trying to provoke a fight and punch him in the face.
He has a very punchable face. Nice and soft but it still makes this hollow ringing sound, I’ve heard.
For this specifically, "Traitorous Critic Fallacy". More broadly, an Ad Hominem argument.
It's not even really an argument though, is it? So maybe 'thought terminating cliché' is appropriate
Also curious.
Maybe it's a hybrid False Dilemma and a Appeal to hypocrisy?
People have more options than taking your side, or leaving entirely. And not picking one of the two does not mean you are a hypocrite.
He's 21 years old & also he's gotten a lot of fame. We can't expect lots of great wisdom from him.
He's the Ryan Lochte of whatever it is he does. Except I guess Lochte was good at something.
I'm not going to click on any articles featuring him but I assume he's grifting the right. He'd be stupid not to.
I am on the right, and yes, he's right-grifty AF. Always has been. I'm sure my opinions on KR wouldn't be received well on Lemmy (not that I care too much), but we're probably in agreement here: ....why is this little boy relevant? 🤨 Like why should he be a 'thing', years later? He shot some people, that's it. So what's the formula here? Go to rally filled with violent criminals while open carrying, shoot people, ??????, profit? Not a KR fan by any means.
I was watching some YouTubers & KR was there for some reason, and they were waiting in anticipation "to see which college he'd choose!! 😍" they had 2 hats & he was going to grab one, put one on & I'm just like GUYS...I. Do. Not. Care. I just don't care. ¯\(°_o)/¯ It was SO strange watching him turn into a celebrity.
Yea, it makes no sense to keep putting the spotlight on him. His trial is done and over with. Regardless of which side of it you're on. If anything it helps him when people try to dunk on him for shit he says because more are just going to come out to support him.
We all saw your trail of tears on the stand, kyle.
Isn't this the kid that fired into a crowd? Why are we listening to anything he says again?
Because he's a darling of the right, and really riles up the left whenever he is mentioned. It's rage clicks either way, and people are easily played.
Exactly. They did this because they know it riles up the left.
the photo they used in the thumbnail 🤣
Did he cry about being forced to do that too?
Maybe he can join Kristi Noem and get banned from native lands... then get caught flaunting the ban. That shit would be hilarious.
What a stupid dumb ass
Struggling to remember if ive heard summat more stupid this year
Trump is the only one who might top him in the "saying stupid shit" Olympics.
Technically true, they are entitled to live in Canada
You just know that twerp has a little prick, and he’s mad about it.
wut
The list grows...
Anyone can leave if they hate America.
Imagine living in the land for generations, being forced to move to less desirable places because of invaders, and having to deal with said invaders saying "you can leave if you don't like it!"
You forgot the part wherein your allotment is reduced by 75%
Yeah that would suck. But it's still just a true statement. If Kyle Rittenhouse hates America he can leave.
Even if Native Americans do like America they can leave.
Anyone can leave for any reason.
It's just a dumb...I don't know I guess it's not actually a threat. Dumb phrase.
“Hi! I’m white and I hate you!” It’s now your problem and you should move…