I am referring to Linux as âtilted Windowsâ from now on and you canât stop me.
No, Mac is tilted Windows, and Linux is open Windows.
I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper, which is the preferred construction method in the States
US people, dry your newspapers before building your houses!
can't tell if this is a troll or not. youre telling me people outside the states think we live in wet newspaper?
Well not wet newspaper exactly but I heard you have walls so thin the neighbours can hear your cell division
Depends on where you live. The US is huge and has a wide variety of building codes. I personally never hear my neighbors
I mean it exists for sure, but not something people expect when moving in places. usually correlates to the cost and age. decibels wise, it's not too different than Europe imo. I lived in France and mother fuckers be yelling from their windows all day. I also lived in Germany and the walls are thick as shit, but mother fuckers have their windows open all day and yodelling. if you live near people, you'll hear them some way or another. renting in the US is also much simpler. fuck Germany's renting culture shit.
Hitting a wall and having any chance of the wall breaking isn't really a thing outside the US. Everyone elsewhere notices that a lot in movies and videos. It's not uncommon for children outside America to ask adults why Americans have paper walls.
People being mad and punching a wall and putting a fist-sized hole in it, falling and breaking the wall or throwing anything and the thing getting stuck in the wall. In most of the world it's you or the thing hitting the wall that'll break, not the wall itself.
To clarify, the paper (and rock underneath it) are not the structural part of the house, they just cover the actual structural parts (the studs) and provide a pocket to fill with insulation.
It's an intentional exaggeration, but it's true that houses in the US are usually built without a proper foundation and with thin walls.
They're built differently depending on where you live in the states and your environment. I know y'all love staying ignorant to feel superior but this one is still pretty dumb. People in Japan practically have paper walls and I don't see you guys all up your snobby butts about that. Xenophobic turds. It would take people 10 seconds to learn why some of our houses are built the way they are but they won't bother if they haven't by now because they prefer the ignorance.
You're taking this a bit too seriously, man. It's like when we joke about the British having fucked up teeth. Just ribbing each other.
You know that tool called stud finder that you use in America if you ever think about hanging a picture on the wall, or a TV, otherwise you risk your wall falling down with anything attached to it?
Nobody wants to pay a stone mason to put brick on the exterior of their homes. They used timber for a long time, but now all the new houses I've seen use the metal studs, which sounds great on paper until you realize it's basically sheet metal stamped into a U kind of shape that's the same size as a 2x4. It's enough to hold up the drywall and maybe some pictures/paintings on the wall plus the occasional wall-mounted TV, but give it a couple hundred pounds of weight and it's going to crumple into itself like aluminum foil.
Honestly, most of the strength in the wall is now because of the drywall. The "studs" just keep them from falling over.
Not saying timber was all that much better, but it could at least support someone standing on the top plate of a wall without folding in on itself.
Can I get my house built from concrete board instead?
One day, a family comes to the reception to tell me that their window is broken, asking me to change their room. I ask if I can take a look.
It turns out, they didn't know the existence of tilt & turn windows and were scared that the window was going to fall down lol
I'd settle for socialized healthcare
Oh the windows came as part of the deal.
No they didn't. I'm in Canada and we have socialized healthcare and I didn't get any damn tilting Windows.
I've been lied to!
Canada is like Europe with a couple wildcard American features baked in
How dare you. Just for one second think of someone other than yourself. How do you think the pharmaceutical companies are gonna feel about that? Or their poor shareholders? Pfizer's CEO only made $33 million last year. How the hell do you expect him to feed his kids when he's not making that much because your precious healthcare system ate into his meager earnings. The medical corporations are barely scraping by!!
CEO Chief Job Creatorâ˘
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Jokes on you, my windows make a light breeze when shut!
Put a screen in that fancy window and then weâll talk.
Yeah who the hell wants moths and mosquitoes in their house
It is truly bizarre how Europeans never use screens, make it make sense!!
Its not like the few mosquitoes we have would be smart enough to enter my room through the sides of a lightly tilted window.
We had them in Italy. But we also didn't have these weird windows. Also stop acting like Europe is a small town on an island.
I honestly don't think of Europe as a small town, I promise- I'm just saying I've been in many brilliant countries across Europe and I swear to you that I've never seen a screen. Where is the spider protection, I ask you?!
This should be particularly important, I think, in the Scottish Highlands, land of midges, who want nothing more than to feast on your flesh. Still, not a screen in sight, although I must admit you certifiably need a very fine screen to prohibit those pesky wee bastards. There seems to be a sort of gentlemen's alliance though because it seems that the midge rarely enters a human dwelling, maybe out of fear of pure Scottish fury, but mark my words .. they sit and wait.
I will digress also that in our defense, Scots do use midge nets when camping unless we're on our 10th Tennant's, in which case it's really no bother
In America we have to keep our windows closed to keep out the fent smoke and bullets.
your walls won't save you from the latter tho
Bullets are not ghosts, they can't go through walls, stupid
They can go through shitty American drywall
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If bullets can go through drywall then why am I allowed to shoot anyone who enters my home? That would clearly be dangerous /s
Rifle rounds will go right through brick too unless they're as wide as cinder blocks and filled. Shit's scary.
another brutalism W :hoxha:
I want all my architecture to look like the Forerunners built it
I think itâs a joke that American houses (in the eyes of Europeans) are made out of sticks (stud framing in the house) and paper (drywall is made from gypsum and has a paper backing)
In European countries, their houses are made of tougher materials like stone, concrete, or some other material Iâm forgetting about
Itâs a known thing in America that stray bullets end up in peopleâs houses (and sometimes their residents) when itâs an American holiday like 4th of July or Memorial Day
America tends to build with the cheapest materials. So wood framed houses are clad in wood or plastic
Australia copied a lot from America. Our houses also are wood framed, but we use brick cladding and concrete tile roofs
New tech is more available now. If I were to build today it would be out of foamed plastic and reinforced concrete (as insulated concrete forms). And I'd use tilt/swing windows
yeah in some states like the Tornado Alley or California (earthquakes) ig that might actually make more sense since sometimes such materials might withstand more force than brick
Not an issue in Australia, but I bet brick stops or slows bullets more than wood
Our brick construction doesn't do well in earthquakes. If a roof is going to fall on you, you don't want it made of tiles
Imagine not having screens in your windows.
This post was made by the flying insects gang.
I'm in the US and have these windows. They have screens. They're also not that special. I prefer the regular windows
I was starting to wonder if Europe didn't have insects, because the hotels I've stayed in (in Europe) that had them didn't have screens for them.
We have civilized insects, they respect our privacy and don't enter unless they must.
You're joking but that's basically it, it's just not an issue in most places.
I have these windows in Moscow, Russia since recently (had old windows with separate wooden frames with thick glass made somewhere about 70s, they looked nice though) and like that I can use the sill as a table with laptop and tea and some stuff now, and tilt it instead of moving the laptop aside.
Ah yes, the good old Russian defenestration windows. I assume you have the FSB-mandated variant that is capable of both tilting and swinging, for.. ease of access?
My brain had a segfault reading your comment, because the approved ones would obviously not be "anti-defenestration", but yeah, swinging is nice
Yeah, sorry, my dark sense of humour didn't combine very well with typing it out before my first cup of coffee.
I don't use windows. I prefer linux
Try not to talk about Linux on Lemmy challenge (impossible): failed.
In a world without borders and walls there is no need for windows and gates.
While I agree that our windows are generally superior from a functional perspective, the Americans have us beat in the fact that you can't install a window AC unit in our windows.
Hence we get to just die in the increasingly common heat waves. Not great - we've got to figure this one out.
Before portable ACs are mentioned - I'll point out that they have terrible efficiency, and connecting the tube to blow out the hot air is still terrible with European windows.
Mini split heat pumps.
All you need is a 3cm hole in the wall to run a refrigerant line from the outside heat pump unit to the wall unit.
Window AC units are pretty poor efficiency too, IIRC
What if I can't make a 3cm hole cuz I'm a rentoid?
Make a temporary 3cm hole
I rent and could install AC because it is a home improvement. You could ask if it is allowed.
I'm sure if you pay the AC unit yourself nobody will oppose lol
This is likely going to be the answer, yeah, but I believe we need to see some improvements in installability for the average person - a window AC unit does afaik not require a specialist to install, while a mini split, while possible to tackle for a handy person, is a lot harder, leaving the average person to have to pay for someone to install the unit.
Window ACs are not the best from an efficiency perspective, but they do beat portable units by a large margin.
EDIT: looks like it might actually not even be legal in the EU to install a mini split yourself - you need to be certified to handle the refrigerants.
Installation is also more than 50% of the total cost of acquisition, so we're hitting upon an affordability issue here as well.
I've just been looking into this in the UK (so Europe, but not EU).
You can now get split units that come pre-filled with a safer refrigerants that a DIYer is allowed to do themselves.
I would still get an electrician to do the electrical side though. 1KW constant load should definitely be on its own circuit.
Yeah that's a good point about affordability. I guess I'd hope for government subsidies or at least supply & demand market forces to address that before it becomes an essential thing, especially if they replace gas boilers too as a move to reduce carbon emissions.
In the world of theoretical wild policies, there's a really good argument for subsidizing heat pump installation for places heating with fossil fuels or direct electricity at more than 100% of the cost of installation. I'd love to see that kind of project. One can mostly just dream, though.
I admit I'm an American and my windows don't open that way, but I'm not sure why whoever made that meme thinks that means a light breeze can't come through them. Because... a light breeze can come through them.
Yeah while the European windows are interesting I don't really get why having a window open 50 different ways is useful. It seems like an over-engineered solution to just cracking the window. I also can't imagine it's more reliable than the good ole vertical/horizontal sliding windows which are just a window in a track.
Many houses in the northeast have the old school vertical sliding windows with an extra glass pane that can be dropped in front of the screen. This creates an air insulated barrier between the internal and external glass panes and even on the 100+ year old windows I've seen they insulate very well.
The main purpose in my opinion is that when the window is tilted open, it's still almost as safe as when it's closed, while still giving you a breeze inside the house.
Keep in mind that this windows are sturdy and quite heavy with often triple glass so is not something you easily brake or force.
Newer model have crazy good insulation.
It still seems incredibly over engineered. Every window I've used in the US has a latch you flip out that prevents the window from opening more than a couple inches so that it's still effectively locked. Newer windows here are also all double or triple panes with inert glass in between the panels for insulation.
They aren't standard in the US, but I promise you these windows exist here. My parents installed them in their home
Yep. Source: am in Colorado and have triple pane tilt turn windows, and know several others with them. They are super nice and slowly growing in popularity.
Anyone who has worked in high-end construction can tell you that they're very common in rich people's houses. The reason you don't see them more often is that most people don't want to pay for them. Americans tend to value the size of their houses more than anything else, and since McMansion developers know this, windows are one very easy way to cut costs.
They're also a lot more common in older homes (like mine) because if you're going to replace all your windows (which you should do for energy reasons), you might as well get the good ones.
I have a middle income home with these windows. I prefer regular windows that go up and down.
It's not like our windows don't open, they just don't tilt. I frequently open the windows and get a breeze going when it's nice outside!
Yes, but it's an inferior breeze.
What does that even mean?
It's a joke.
Bruh many old homes in Europe don't have these fancy windows.
Source: WHERE ARE MY FUCKING TILTING WINDOWS!?
Yeah, tilting and flipping and all all other crazy stuff is a fairly new thing .
I have never seen non-tilting windows. At least in Germany, pretty much every house has these. These windows were invented around 1950 after all...
They are fairly common but not everywhere here.
But my country wasn't destroyed in two world wars so that might be the reason we still have old windows in old buildings.
Lite breezes were great maybe 30 yrs ago. With modern heat waves and obesity you gonna sweat like a mofo 'les you figure out how to put an AC up in that tilt.
Smog does it for me. Can barely ever open my windows to air out, I just get sickly car fumes mixed with rubber and asphalt particulates.
First time I saw those windows my mind blew to pieces.
I live in south america and have those windows in my house...
this is how we do out here in the heartland
Ah I can hear that rattle now...
People act like you can't just order these kinds of windows in the US. It's not the default, but you can just ask about them if you know about them.
If you're in a position to replace your windows.
You're right, when replacing your windows, it's all about form. Remember: lift with your legs, not with your back.
(In case it isn't clear, I'm trying to spin a joke on the meaning of "in a position")
They're also like three times the cost of standard windows, which is why most buildings don't have them.
Lol wtf? Why can't you get a light breeze without tilting windows?
Yeah I'm a little confused too. The thing with windows is that you get what you pay for. It's ridiculous to think that there's some kind of window design that's magically available in Europe but not in the US. There are probably designs that are more common in different parts of the world, but it's absolutely not the case that if a homeowner wants to pay for it they can't get whatever they want in the US.
I have to think this post was made by someone who knows nothing about construction.
Imagine not having AC like much of Europe
Imagine not having enough insulation to need an AC.
Lol have fun cooking with global warming bro
He says, while being the cause of global warming with 24/7 AC.
Or you live in Minnesota, where half the year it used to be unbearably cold so you needed central heat. Then half the year it was so goddamn humid and hot we needed central AC, or at least a window unit.
We do get the benefit of having homes with a basement implied to protect both the pipes from freezing and our necks from tornadoes in December now
I live in Minnesota. It's not quite as bad as you say. Opening windows overnight and closing them in the morning works pretty well to keep the house comfortable for most of the summer...well, except when we're inundated with smoke from the wildfires.
Ah, but that classic wood-on-wood sliding window, where all that stands between a destructive crash is an irreplaceable rope installed inside walls when the house was built.
They aren't that difficult to repair if you have basic carpentry skills. All you have to do is take the sash out and open the side of the frame and you'll have access to the weight and pulley. They're designed to be pretty easy to do. YouTube probably has hundreds of videos on it. You just want to be careful about lead paint if it's an old house and you're producing dust or disturbing old paint.
If your windows are 40+ years old, then sure. But that's not a thing anymore for modern windows.
Imagine not having screens on the windows and letting every single bug in the nearby area take up residence inside and being okay with it cuz "it's only a few months out of the year".
𤢠it's the fucking worst.
I have screens with my fancy European windows. Like there's no reason you can't have it with it.
What witchcraft is this? Did it cost more to install? Was it custom ordered? Plz explain.
It's just available in my local hardware store, just measure your window and buy the correct size. It was like 20 euros.
It has velcro strips that attack to the frame of the window with clue or something and the screen has the other end of those velcro straps so you can take it off for winter.
There were solid frame ones too but I like this so I can roll it up for winter and it was cheapest.
I tried finding a company who sold those windows in my city here in the USA and failed.
You need to go through a window company and have them custom-made. They'll come over to your house and take measurements then build them at their factory and then install them. It will take a few weeks and will be expensive, but for my money it's worth it.
Where I live Andersen is probably the best as they come with a forever warranty on everything including the glass itself, but they may or may not be in your area. There are plenty of other reputable companies as well. Again, this is not a cheap option.
Thank you. I'll look into that option
Or, know, we could just crack open the bottom (in the case of the popular double hung, the top) of the window a little bit. But it is-3c (yes, we Americans understand metric) where I am now, so I have no interest in doing that. No Gulf Stream keeping us relatively mild in winter over here.
Listen, you want to brag about health care, public transit, intercity high speed rail, or historic buildings, fine, you got us there. But stop with the air if superiority about everything else.
We DO have some fine historic buildings.
They all come with tilting windows btw.
Correct me if I am wrong because I really don't know. But if you crack the bottom open can't someone just slide the window open?
They would have to break through the screen first. Us Americans prefer not to let bugs in. And if itâs really a worry, there are stops or locks that can be put in. But honestly, itâs nice sometimes. Saved me a locksmith call more than once.
Of course, both windows could just be smashed. You want to tell me European homes are some kind of fortress that thieves canât get in?
they have a lock that stop them from sliding to far up. un do the lock and they slide all way up. most of one i have seen the lock locks when you pull the window down so you don't have worry about for getting it.
That isn't even a concern in a place like Compton (I lived in South Gate which borders Compton and Watts). Because even in places with a lot of violence, you don't often get someone just coming through a window in the middle of the day if they see it open a crack because it's pretty easy to defend yourself against someone trying to come through your window.
Now sure, if you leave them open like that at night, it's a bigger risk. But even then, home invasions mostly happen when no one is at home. Which makes sense.
Never seen a tilting window in Finland
Yeah but our specialty is triple panes. Insulation supremacy
Honestly, I think the verti slide windows make for a better breeze infrastructure than the tilt windows , because the tilt windows can be force shut by sudden strong winds.
And in the summer when I need a strong breeze at night and have to fully open the windows, I have to hold them open with a chair or something because they will slam-shut in the middle of the night.
I complain a lot about silly american building stuff but in the case of breezes, I think the verti slide is superior.
Also, they're more adjustable. Euro windows can do tilt or open, but the vertical slide windows have a range.
Yeah, it may have a sliding range, but only for half the window. The top part just stays closed all the time. The euro windows can open fully. That, to me, makes all the difference.
Over here in the USA, we âtiltâ our windows on a vertical access, minimizing the effort involved to friction. We call it âopeningâ the window, because ergonomically itâs identical to opening a door.
I love EU windows, and i looked at them when i redid my windows recently... but i just couldn't justify the increase i price.
Of course, my windows are horizontal sliders
You realize we have AC in Merica right?
Like, have you been to half of Europe in the summer?
Iâm not sure why this would be an advantage? Does the tilt cause more draft than opening it a different way?
Try any different way during a rain and You'll realize the difference.
Tilting you windows is a nice option that i rarely use. Most if the time its STOáşLĂFTEN as we germans like to say (opening the windows wide up to really let in all the fresh air).
Is that not something that Americans do too? As far as I know the need for STOSSLĂFTEN is because we're building our buildings so air tight, that there is little circulation.
Yeah, being able to open the window just slightly from a different angle doesn't seem like that useful of a feature. Also in the US we mostly have a different style of window (see below).
It's rare that I want to open a window, but only slightly open it. Normally it's all the way open and I probably put box fan in the window to pull air through.
You're correct that many houses these days are built too air tight, but for older houses that were built before AC the house was often designed so that you could open windows on different sides of the house to create a cross breeze. So for example, you could open up windows on the East and West side in the morning and the temperature difference should create a convection breeze through the house.
It is only useful if you have a bunch of stuff sitting in front of you window and you are able to tilt another window on the other side of the house but its really not that big of a deal.
many houses these days are built too air tight,
No such thing. You just have to make sure you use a proper ERV setup.
So what if they didn't use a proper ERV setup?
I'm fine. Central HVAC, no need for a breeze
Imagine being a European and having your head so far up your own ass you start to disappear
Am I the only American with tilting windows? We definitely have them
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This is not a flex, these are just worse then sliding windows lol. Something like bidets are clear upgrades, but this ain't it.
I live in an area with -30 Celsius sometimes (once or twice in my life, haha, but -20 would work too), with sliding windows there'd be ice inside.
I visited Bosten before, and if i can remember it right. Some of their windows can do that
Cool, yes everyone knows the US sucks can someone help us who have to live in it now?
Bomb it and start over
No need for bombs. Give them 20-25 years and they will remove the 'United' part of The United States on their own and have to start over.
Why would you post this while Americans are sleeping? These posts are clearly about flexing on the yanks.
How well do these work in strong winds? Wouldnât they just turn your light breeze into a strong breeze?
Americans:
Until a surgery
I used to work for AT&t and it was all to common get someone cancelling while crying because their life is over and their credit is ruined because of the cost of a surgery that could never afford to pay. Sometimes we'd give them a couple months or something but a system like that shouldn't exist
Ya'll ain't seen the economy lately?
My windows can tilt. Not in the same way, but you can either slide them up or tilt them in. And besides, is being able to tilt your windows really that great?
Yea
Sliding windows may not be optimal for a hard continental climate.
For me it allows to not move anything on the sill while venting the room.
I can do the same thing with my double hung windows, just open the too
Not really. What you see on the picture can be had for as little as like 200-300 EUR depending on the glazing, moreover it's not something you buy every day - usually only when you renovate every 10-15 years or whatever.
That IS expensive.
Wait until you hear about the price of a whole renovation.
Sure is more than the average yearly wage here.
What the fuck? This is witchcraft?
That's funny you lot said the same thing in the 1600's!
i leave my window open like this every night, even in winter
Unfortunately windows in the UK generally cant tilt, likely since opening them wasn't really meant to be common anyways (unfortunately climate change is making that more important)
Should've installed linux đ¤ˇ
Should've installed velux
Velux just gone through the roof!
I am referring to Linux as âtilted Windowsâ from now on and you canât stop me.
No, Mac is tilted Windows, and Linux is open Windows.
I asked a builder why this was, and he said that the lateral forces created by a slightly tilted window has just enough force to rip the entire side of a house clean off due to houses having the structural integrity of wet newspaper, which is the preferred construction method in the States
US people, dry your newspapers before building your houses!
can't tell if this is a troll or not. youre telling me people outside the states think we live in wet newspaper?
Well not wet newspaper exactly but I heard you have walls so thin the neighbours can hear your cell division
That's how we got classics like Shut up, little man!
Depends on where you live. The US is huge and has a wide variety of building codes. I personally never hear my neighbors
I mean it exists for sure, but not something people expect when moving in places. usually correlates to the cost and age. decibels wise, it's not too different than Europe imo. I lived in France and mother fuckers be yelling from their windows all day. I also lived in Germany and the walls are thick as shit, but mother fuckers have their windows open all day and yodelling. if you live near people, you'll hear them some way or another. renting in the US is also much simpler. fuck Germany's renting culture shit.
Hitting a wall and having any chance of the wall breaking isn't really a thing outside the US. Everyone elsewhere notices that a lot in movies and videos. It's not uncommon for children outside America to ask adults why Americans have paper walls. People being mad and punching a wall and putting a fist-sized hole in it, falling and breaking the wall or throwing anything and the thing getting stuck in the wall. In most of the world it's you or the thing hitting the wall that'll break, not the wall itself.
To clarify, the paper (and rock underneath it) are not the structural part of the house, they just cover the actual structural parts (the studs) and provide a pocket to fill with insulation.
It's an intentional exaggeration, but it's true that houses in the US are usually built without a proper foundation and with thin walls.
They're built differently depending on where you live in the states and your environment. I know y'all love staying ignorant to feel superior but this one is still pretty dumb. People in Japan practically have paper walls and I don't see you guys all up your snobby butts about that. Xenophobic turds. It would take people 10 seconds to learn why some of our houses are built the way they are but they won't bother if they haven't by now because they prefer the ignorance.
You're taking this a bit too seriously, man. It's like when we joke about the British having fucked up teeth. Just ribbing each other.
You know that tool called stud finder that you use in America if you ever think about hanging a picture on the wall, or a TV, otherwise you risk your wall falling down with anything attached to it?
Never seen a stud finder in Europe.
It's preferred because it's cheap.
Nobody wants to pay a stone mason to put brick on the exterior of their homes. They used timber for a long time, but now all the new houses I've seen use the metal studs, which sounds great on paper until you realize it's basically sheet metal stamped into a U kind of shape that's the same size as a 2x4. It's enough to hold up the drywall and maybe some pictures/paintings on the wall plus the occasional wall-mounted TV, but give it a couple hundred pounds of weight and it's going to crumple into itself like aluminum foil.
Honestly, most of the strength in the wall is now because of the drywall. The "studs" just keep them from falling over.
Not saying timber was all that much better, but it could at least support someone standing on the top plate of a wall without folding in on itself.
Can I get my house built from concrete board instead?
I work in a hotel.
One day, a family comes to the reception to tell me that their window is broken, asking me to change their room. I ask if I can take a look.
It turns out, they didn't know the existence of tilt & turn windows and were scared that the window was going to fall down lol
I'd settle for socialized healthcare
Oh the windows came as part of the deal.
No they didn't. I'm in Canada and we have socialized healthcare and I didn't get any damn tilting Windows.
I've been lied to!
Canada is like Europe with a couple wildcard American features baked in
How dare you. Just for one second think of someone other than yourself. How do you think the pharmaceutical companies are gonna feel about that? Or their poor shareholders? Pfizer's CEO only made $33 million last year. How the hell do you expect him to feed his kids when he's not making that much because your precious healthcare system ate into his meager earnings. The medical corporations are barely scraping by!!
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Jokes on you, my windows make a light breeze when shut!
Put a screen in that fancy window and then weâll talk.
Yeah who the hell wants moths and mosquitoes in their house
It is truly bizarre how Europeans never use screens, make it make sense!!
Its not like the few mosquitoes we have would be smart enough to enter my room through the sides of a lightly tilted window.
We had them in Italy. But we also didn't have these weird windows. Also stop acting like Europe is a small town on an island.
I honestly don't think of Europe as a small town, I promise- I'm just saying I've been in many brilliant countries across Europe and I swear to you that I've never seen a screen. Where is the spider protection, I ask you?!
This should be particularly important, I think, in the Scottish Highlands, land of midges, who want nothing more than to feast on your flesh. Still, not a screen in sight, although I must admit you certifiably need a very fine screen to prohibit those pesky wee bastards. There seems to be a sort of gentlemen's alliance though because it seems that the midge rarely enters a human dwelling, maybe out of fear of pure Scottish fury, but mark my words .. they sit and wait.
I will digress also that in our defense, Scots do use midge nets when camping unless we're on our 10th Tennant's, in which case it's really no bother
There are no mosquitoes in the UK. And moths are rare. Would be lucky to see a fly.
There are definitely mosquitos in the UK. They piss me off every summer.
Well, compared to my home country mosquitos in the UK don't really exist...
No wonder your country is a superpower. We have the other windows in the USA because we do get these flying bastards.
There are screens for tilt windows. You put them on the outside instead of the inside.
Yeah, but most places in Europe don't have screens regardless.
True that!
American with these windows. I have screens. I also don't like them very much.
In America we have to keep our windows closed to keep out the fent smoke and bullets.
your walls won't save you from the latter tho
Bullets are not ghosts, they can't go through walls, stupid
They can go through shitty American drywall
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If bullets can go through drywall then why am I allowed to shoot anyone who enters my home? That would clearly be dangerous /s
Rifle rounds will go right through brick too unless they're as wide as cinder blocks and filled. Shit's scary.
another brutalism W :hoxha:
I want all my architecture to look like the Forerunners built it
I think itâs a joke that American houses (in the eyes of Europeans) are made out of sticks (stud framing in the house) and paper (drywall is made from gypsum and has a paper backing)
In European countries, their houses are made of tougher materials like stone, concrete, or some other material Iâm forgetting about
Itâs a known thing in America that stray bullets end up in peopleâs houses (and sometimes their residents) when itâs an American holiday like 4th of July or Memorial Day
America tends to build with the cheapest materials. So wood framed houses are clad in wood or plastic
Australia copied a lot from America. Our houses also are wood framed, but we use brick cladding and concrete tile roofs
New tech is more available now. If I were to build today it would be out of foamed plastic and reinforced concrete (as insulated concrete forms). And I'd use tilt/swing windows
yeah in some states like the Tornado Alley or California (earthquakes) ig that might actually make more sense since sometimes such materials might withstand more force than brick
Not an issue in Australia, but I bet brick stops or slows bullets more than wood
Our brick construction doesn't do well in earthquakes. If a roof is going to fall on you, you don't want it made of tiles
Imagine not having screens in your windows.
This post was made by the flying insects gang.
I'm in the US and have these windows. They have screens. They're also not that special. I prefer the regular windows
I was starting to wonder if Europe didn't have insects, because the hotels I've stayed in (in Europe) that had them didn't have screens for them.
We have civilized insects, they respect our privacy and don't enter unless they must.
You're joking but that's basically it, it's just not an issue in most places.
I have these windows in Moscow, Russia since recently (had old windows with separate wooden frames with thick glass made somewhere about 70s, they looked nice though) and like that I can use the sill as a table with laptop and tea and some stuff now, and tilt it instead of moving the laptop aside.
Ah yes, the good old Russian defenestration windows. I assume you have the FSB-mandated variant that is capable of both tilting and swinging, for.. ease of access?
My brain had a segfault reading your comment, because the approved ones would obviously not be "anti-defenestration", but yeah, swinging is nice
Yeah, sorry, my dark sense of humour didn't combine very well with typing it out before my first cup of coffee.
I don't use windows. I prefer linux
Try not to talk about Linux on Lemmy challenge (impossible): failed.
In a world without borders and walls there is no need for windows and gates.
I wonder if you can tilt windows in Linux
Do I have an article for you: Linux is the only OS to support diagonal PC monitor mode â dev champions the case for 22-degree-rotation computing
Probably Compiz could do that..........
23.9 degrees is optimal.
While I agree that our windows are generally superior from a functional perspective, the Americans have us beat in the fact that you can't install a window AC unit in our windows.
Hence we get to just die in the increasingly common heat waves. Not great - we've got to figure this one out.
Before portable ACs are mentioned - I'll point out that they have terrible efficiency, and connecting the tube to blow out the hot air is still terrible with European windows.
Mini split heat pumps.
All you need is a 3cm hole in the wall to run a refrigerant line from the outside heat pump unit to the wall unit.
Window AC units are pretty poor efficiency too, IIRC
What if I can't make a 3cm hole cuz I'm a rentoid?
Make a temporary 3cm hole
I rent and could install AC because it is a home improvement. You could ask if it is allowed.
I'm sure if you pay the AC unit yourself nobody will oppose lol
This is likely going to be the answer, yeah, but I believe we need to see some improvements in installability for the average person - a window AC unit does afaik not require a specialist to install, while a mini split, while possible to tackle for a handy person, is a lot harder, leaving the average person to have to pay for someone to install the unit.
Window ACs are not the best from an efficiency perspective, but they do beat portable units by a large margin.
EDIT: looks like it might actually not even be legal in the EU to install a mini split yourself - you need to be certified to handle the refrigerants.
Installation is also more than 50% of the total cost of acquisition, so we're hitting upon an affordability issue here as well.
I've just been looking into this in the UK (so Europe, but not EU).
You can now get split units that come pre-filled with a safer refrigerants that a DIYer is allowed to do themselves.
I would still get an electrician to do the electrical side though. 1KW constant load should definitely be on its own circuit.
Yeah that's a good point about affordability. I guess I'd hope for government subsidies or at least supply & demand market forces to address that before it becomes an essential thing, especially if they replace gas boilers too as a move to reduce carbon emissions.
In the world of theoretical wild policies, there's a really good argument for subsidizing heat pump installation for places heating with fossil fuels or direct electricity at more than 100% of the cost of installation. I'd love to see that kind of project. One can mostly just dream, though.
Not true, modern window units are very efficient
Integrated AC ftw bebeh
I admit I'm an American and my windows don't open that way, but I'm not sure why whoever made that meme thinks that means a light breeze can't come through them. Because... a light breeze can come through them.
Yeah while the European windows are interesting I don't really get why having a window open 50 different ways is useful. It seems like an over-engineered solution to just cracking the window. I also can't imagine it's more reliable than the good ole vertical/horizontal sliding windows which are just a window in a track.
Many houses in the northeast have the old school vertical sliding windows with an extra glass pane that can be dropped in front of the screen. This creates an air insulated barrier between the internal and external glass panes and even on the 100+ year old windows I've seen they insulate very well.
The main purpose in my opinion is that when the window is tilted open, it's still almost as safe as when it's closed, while still giving you a breeze inside the house. Keep in mind that this windows are sturdy and quite heavy with often triple glass so is not something you easily brake or force.
Newer model have crazy good insulation.
It still seems incredibly over engineered. Every window I've used in the US has a latch you flip out that prevents the window from opening more than a couple inches so that it's still effectively locked. Newer windows here are also all double or triple panes with inert glass in between the panels for insulation.
I can just slide my window up a bit.
I get it's all memes and fun, but I am so tired of this constant 'Europe does this better', 'USA is supreme for that'.
Irrelevant, Canada is clearly better than all of you.
Canada is like USA but with French and you worship Britsh monarchs... Like you tried to get worst of both worlds
But at least the Canadians have healthcare and weed.
Okay I wish we had legal weed
Masses divided are easier to control
They donât have that problem in Australia.
They aren't standard in the US, but I promise you these windows exist here. My parents installed them in their home
Yep. Source: am in Colorado and have triple pane tilt turn windows, and know several others with them. They are super nice and slowly growing in popularity.
Anyone who has worked in high-end construction can tell you that they're very common in rich people's houses. The reason you don't see them more often is that most people don't want to pay for them. Americans tend to value the size of their houses more than anything else, and since McMansion developers know this, windows are one very easy way to cut costs.
They're also a lot more common in older homes (like mine) because if you're going to replace all your windows (which you should do for energy reasons), you might as well get the good ones.
I have a middle income home with these windows. I prefer regular windows that go up and down.
It's not like our windows don't open, they just don't tilt. I frequently open the windows and get a breeze going when it's nice outside!
Yes, but it's an inferior breeze.
What does that even mean?
It's a joke.
Bruh many old homes in Europe don't have these fancy windows.
Source: WHERE ARE MY FUCKING TILTING WINDOWS!?
Yeah, tilting and flipping and all all other crazy stuff is a fairly new thing .
I have never seen non-tilting windows. At least in Germany, pretty much every house has these. These windows were invented around 1950 after all...
They are fairly common but not everywhere here.
But my country wasn't destroyed in two world wars so that might be the reason we still have old windows in old buildings.
Lite breezes were great maybe 30 yrs ago. With modern heat waves and obesity you gonna sweat like a mofo 'les you figure out how to put an AC up in that tilt.
Smog does it for me. Can barely ever open my windows to air out, I just get sickly car fumes mixed with rubber and asphalt particulates.
Southamerican living in Spain here.
First time I saw those windows my mind blew to pieces.
I live in south america and have those windows in my house...
this is how we do out here in the heartland
Ah I can hear that rattle now...
People act like you can't just order these kinds of windows in the US. It's not the default, but you can just ask about them if you know about them.
If you're in a position to replace your windows.
You're right, when replacing your windows, it's all about form. Remember: lift with your legs, not with your back.
(In case it isn't clear, I'm trying to spin a joke on the meaning of "in a position")
They're also like three times the cost of standard windows, which is why most buildings don't have them.
Lol wtf? Why can't you get a light breeze without tilting windows?
Yeah I'm a little confused too. The thing with windows is that you get what you pay for. It's ridiculous to think that there's some kind of window design that's magically available in Europe but not in the US. There are probably designs that are more common in different parts of the world, but it's absolutely not the case that if a homeowner wants to pay for it they can't get whatever they want in the US.
I have to think this post was made by someone who knows nothing about construction.
Imagine not having AC like much of Europe
Imagine not having enough insulation to need an AC.
Lol have fun cooking with global warming bro
He says, while being the cause of global warming with 24/7 AC.
Maybe isolate your house and turn off the AC and delay global warming for a bit then
opens 2 windows each on seperate sides of the house/apartment
Doesn't work as well when it's 115° outside like much of the US
It would be quite scary to see our lakes boiling
115° in moron units, not Celsius.
Sometimes you just don't need it
Especially if the house is old, made with stones!
Yes, temperature difference inside to out is amazing with solid masonry and ceiling insulation. No AC required.
Or you live in Minnesota, where half the year it used to be unbearably cold so you needed central heat. Then half the year it was so goddamn humid and hot we needed central AC, or at least a window unit.
We do get the benefit of having homes with a basement implied to protect both the pipes from freezing and our necks from tornadoes in December now
I live in Minnesota. It's not quite as bad as you say. Opening windows overnight and closing them in the morning works pretty well to keep the house comfortable for most of the summer...well, except when we're inundated with smoke from the wildfires.
The amount of energy wasted in America for all the houses with AC they have, could have propelled an entire society to Mars.
Ah, but that classic wood-on-wood sliding window, where all that stands between a destructive crash is an irreplaceable rope installed inside walls when the house was built.
They aren't that difficult to repair if you have basic carpentry skills. All you have to do is take the sash out and open the side of the frame and you'll have access to the weight and pulley. They're designed to be pretty easy to do. YouTube probably has hundreds of videos on it. You just want to be careful about lead paint if it's an old house and you're producing dust or disturbing old paint.
If your windows are 40+ years old, then sure. But that's not a thing anymore for modern windows.
Imagine not having screens on the windows and letting every single bug in the nearby area take up residence inside and being okay with it cuz "it's only a few months out of the year".
𤢠it's the fucking worst.
I have screens with my fancy European windows. Like there's no reason you can't have it with it.
What witchcraft is this? Did it cost more to install? Was it custom ordered? Plz explain.
It's just available in my local hardware store, just measure your window and buy the correct size. It was like 20 euros.
It has velcro strips that attack to the frame of the window with clue or something and the screen has the other end of those velcro straps so you can take it off for winter.
There were solid frame ones too but I like this so I can roll it up for winter and it was cheapest.
I tried finding a company who sold those windows in my city here in the USA and failed.
You need to go through a window company and have them custom-made. They'll come over to your house and take measurements then build them at their factory and then install them. It will take a few weeks and will be expensive, but for my money it's worth it.
Where I live Andersen is probably the best as they come with a forever warranty on everything including the glass itself, but they may or may not be in your area. There are plenty of other reputable companies as well. Again, this is not a cheap option.
Thank you. I'll look into that option
Or, know, we could just crack open the bottom (in the case of the popular double hung, the top) of the window a little bit. But it is-3c (yes, we Americans understand metric) where I am now, so I have no interest in doing that. No Gulf Stream keeping us relatively mild in winter over here.
Listen, you want to brag about health care, public transit, intercity high speed rail, or historic buildings, fine, you got us there. But stop with the air if superiority about everything else.
We DO have some fine historic buildings.
They all come with tilting windows btw.
Correct me if I am wrong because I really don't know. But if you crack the bottom open can't someone just slide the window open?
They would have to break through the screen first. Us Americans prefer not to let bugs in. And if itâs really a worry, there are stops or locks that can be put in. But honestly, itâs nice sometimes. Saved me a locksmith call more than once.
Of course, both windows could just be smashed. You want to tell me European homes are some kind of fortress that thieves canât get in?
they have a lock that stop them from sliding to far up. un do the lock and they slide all way up. most of one i have seen the lock locks when you pull the window down so you don't have worry about for getting it.
That isn't even a concern in a place like Compton (I lived in South Gate which borders Compton and Watts). Because even in places with a lot of violence, you don't often get someone just coming through a window in the middle of the day if they see it open a crack because it's pretty easy to defend yourself against someone trying to come through your window.
Now sure, if you leave them open like that at night, it's a bigger risk. But even then, home invasions mostly happen when no one is at home. Which makes sense.
Never seen a tilting window in Finland
Yeah but our specialty is triple panes. Insulation supremacy
Honestly, I think the verti slide windows make for a better breeze infrastructure than the tilt windows , because the tilt windows can be force shut by sudden strong winds.
And in the summer when I need a strong breeze at night and have to fully open the windows, I have to hold them open with a chair or something because they will slam-shut in the middle of the night.
I complain a lot about silly american building stuff but in the case of breezes, I think the verti slide is superior.
Also, they're more adjustable. Euro windows can do tilt or open, but the vertical slide windows have a range.
Yeah, it may have a sliding range, but only for half the window. The top part just stays closed all the time. The euro windows can open fully. That, to me, makes all the difference.
Sorry Europeans, I can't hear you over my HVAC system with abundant domestic methane reserves.
I wonder what it's like not living in an air filtered, 70° F environment?
I prefer 70° C
So you have chosen...death
America is huge. We have areas with weather just like Europe and areas with weather nothing like Europe. One country but many weathers.
Europe is my favorite country
Tilt it baby
Over here in the USA, we âtiltâ our windows on a vertical access, minimizing the effort involved to friction. We call it âopeningâ the window, because ergonomically itâs identical to opening a door.
I love EU windows, and i looked at them when i redid my windows recently... but i just couldn't justify the increase i price.
Of course, my windows are horizontal sliders
You realize we have AC in Merica right?
Like, have you been to half of Europe in the summer?
Iâm not sure why this would be an advantage? Does the tilt cause more draft than opening it a different way?
Try any different way during a rain and You'll realize the difference.
Tilting you windows is a nice option that i rarely use. Most if the time its STOáşLĂFTEN as we germans like to say (opening the windows wide up to really let in all the fresh air).
Is that not something that Americans do too? As far as I know the need for STOSSLĂFTEN is because we're building our buildings so air tight, that there is little circulation.
Yeah, being able to open the window just slightly from a different angle doesn't seem like that useful of a feature. Also in the US we mostly have a different style of window (see below).
It's rare that I want to open a window, but only slightly open it. Normally it's all the way open and I probably put box fan in the window to pull air through.
You're correct that many houses these days are built too air tight, but for older houses that were built before AC the house was often designed so that you could open windows on different sides of the house to create a cross breeze. So for example, you could open up windows on the East and West side in the morning and the temperature difference should create a convection breeze through the house.
https://images.thdstatic.com/productImages/b50b163e-4aad-437d-9ffc-9c9c6d58c51f/svn/american-craftsman-double-hung-windows-2438786-64_600.jpg
It is only useful if you have a bunch of stuff sitting in front of you window and you are able to tilt another window on the other side of the house but its really not that big of a deal.
No such thing. You just have to make sure you use a proper ERV setup.
So what if they didn't use a proper ERV setup?
I'm fine. Central HVAC, no need for a breeze
Imagine being a European and having your head so far up your own ass you start to disappear
Am I the only American with tilting windows? We definitely have them
Today you chose violence
This is not a flex, these are just worse then sliding windows lol. Something like bidets are clear upgrades, but this ain't it.
I live in an area with -30 Celsius sometimes (once or twice in my life, haha, but -20 would work too), with sliding windows there'd be ice inside.
Good morning
VietnamEuropeI visited Bosten before, and if i can remember it right. Some of their windows can do that
Cool, yes everyone knows the US sucks can someone help us who have to live in it now?
Bomb it and start over
No need for bombs. Give them 20-25 years and they will remove the 'United' part of The United States on their own and have to start over.
Why would you post this while Americans are sleeping? These posts are clearly about flexing on the yanks.
How well do these work in strong winds? Wouldnât they just turn your light breeze into a strong breeze?
Americans:
Until a surgery
I used to work for AT&t and it was all to common get someone cancelling while crying because their life is over and their credit is ruined because of the cost of a surgery that could never afford to pay. Sometimes we'd give them a couple months or something but a system like that shouldn't exist
Ya'll ain't seen the economy lately?
My windows can tilt. Not in the same way, but you can either slide them up or tilt them in. And besides, is being able to tilt your windows really that great?
Yea
Sliding windows may not be optimal for a hard continental climate.
For me it allows to not move anything on the sill while venting the room.
I can do the same thing with my double hung windows, just open the too
They seem expensive.
Not really. What you see on the picture can be had for as little as like 200-300 EUR depending on the glazing, moreover it's not something you buy every day - usually only when you renovate every 10-15 years or whatever.
That IS expensive.
Wait until you hear about the price of a whole renovation.
Sure is more than the average yearly wage here.
What the fuck? This is witchcraft?
That's funny you lot said the same thing in the 1600's!
i leave my window open like this every night, even in winter
Unfortunately windows in the UK generally cant tilt, likely since opening them wasn't really meant to be common anyways (unfortunately climate change is making that more important)
What kind of klien bottle shit is this