Good decision. Everyone needs to be able to see this. It's important, especially in this climate.
Something this important, we all need to witness, no matter which way the verdict goes.
Except the people that need to watch it are going to refuse and call it corruption. And still have extremely strong, unmoveable, opinions about it.
Same as the Jan 6th hearing
They'll get their out of context and misleading soundbites from the right wind media overlords, which will only reinforce their blind faith in their lord and savior trump.
Oh that's a good point though.
On one hand the media won't be able to resist actually covering the trial but on the other hand if they do that they'll be informing their viewership, and that can't happen.
Except the people that need to watch it are going to refuse and call it corruption.
And that, even if it's true or not, doesn't really matter.
The point is, this is the first time one of our leaders has been put on trial, it's something that all the people of the nation need to witness, regardless of its effect, or outcome. We can't just be told the outcome, we need to see it with our own eyes.
What does this heat have to do with it?
it will keep people indoors
What's best is everyone will see the evidence.
Not really. The people who need to see and believe the evidence will never see it and will deny that it is anything but lies.
Anyone a big enough drunk to take a shot every time Trump, himself, tries to object?
Do you want to give everyone alcohol poisoning?!
I think drinking that many shot glasses of water would kill you, honestly
What if you take a drink every time he tries to object to his own defense? I'm pretty sure taking a shot when he objects to anything would kill even the most experienced alcoholic.
Maybe he'll just do like what he did in the debate with Hillary: "Wrong."
"ERECTIONJECTION YOUR JUDGESHIP! somethingsomethingorangewordsalad" - Trump
/sigh
Wait, does that even count?
I read this as “Erection Ejection” and for some reason that shit alone cracked me up, then thinking of Trump saying, “Erection Ejection!” cracked me up more. Well done, I needed the laugh.
I'm saying this next time I finish, my wife will be thrilled.
Mine is waiting on me to finish walking the dogs.
I’ll report back about how it goes.
Pray for me boys.
I’m back.
2 days I’ve been crawling.
Abort mission. Don’t…do…it. Gaaah.
He'll be confused more than half the time.
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Ask the popcorn eating will counteract the alcohol, digestion-wise.
They should add some twitch integration too, 10,000 bits and the defendant has to floss.
Donation meme soundboard
I’m picturing a lot of psychotic TikTok “yes yes ice cream so good gang gang”
Fawx News: "Now back to continuing coverage of paint drying. Make sure to stay tuned because we have Hunter Bidens dick pics as well! Laptop! Biden Crime Family! NO! DO NOT TOUCH THAT DIAL! NOOOOOOOO!!!"
BENGHAAAAAAAZI! EEEEEEEEMAIL!
The last big 'Hitler is still alive' movie was 1978's 'The Boys From Brazil.' Extrapolating from that, I think we'll see the last attack on Hilary Clinton in the early 2100's.
I hope he suddenly goes all sovereign citizen and handles his own defense.
He should. After all, doesn't he know more about the law than anyone? And he's a stable genius too. Sounds like he should save the money he'd spend on his lawyers and just handle his own defense. I'm sure he'd win easily in court, right? (Barely manages to contain laughter)
He pays lawyers?
Sadly he can probably get a volunteer at this point. Set for life if you win the case, if you lose you blame the Deep State
Any lawyer who works for Trump likely asks for cash in advance. Either that or the lawyer is so bottom of the barrel and has drunk the kool-aid so much that they essentially are agreeing to work for free. (Because Trump WILL refuse to pay them whether he wins or loses.)
At the rate he's going through lawyers who are willing to jump in front of the train for him he might actually have to. He might not be able to find a lawyer who's willing to defend his sorry ass.
Trumpty Dumpty the sovcit 🤣
AM I BEING DETAINED
Sadly this will only be watched as justice porn for the left, the right won't even care.
Everyone likes justice porn in America. The OJ trial was one of the most watched TV events in history at the time.
I don't know about that. An awful lot of conservatives are bending over backwards to explain why Trump was justified in breaking the law multiple times. They certainly do care, and some people have even died over it. Remember the guy who tried to go after the FBIfield office in Cincinnati, OH?
I've heard some arguments saying that if Trump "knew" the election was rigged, he had a moral imperative to do whatever was necessary to maintain the union. The fact that the charges exist at all is proof of conspiracy, and the trial is just a parade.
While I don't agree, it's hard to get thru to people that don't agree on the same objective reality.
Turns out if you lie often enough and about something and just keep repeating it, people will start to believe it.
There's unfortunately, also some evidence to the contrary that he privately knew he lost and did all this crap anyway.
Nevermind the phone call where he asked the Georgia secretary of state to find him 11,780 votes. But, if that's not enough to convince people he's making shit up, nothing will convince them.
Unfortunately, I'm dumb at psychology, and I have no idea how you would deprogram these people.
For groups like this reprogramming usually starts with facing the wall.
What does "facing the wall" mean?
firing squad presumably
It's like when the last thing a mosquito sees is it's ass when it hits your windshield.
For me it will be 1/3 Justice porn and 2/3 I’m living through history titillation.
Yeah. While I absolutely have a bias and want to see this fucker convicted, I feel like no matter what, it's going to have at least one "Where were you when...." moment.
Almost every generation has a couple. Where were you when JFK was shot? When the Challenger exploded? During 9/11? When Columbia burned up?
I mean, obviously, reading the verdict is going to be there, but I feel like there's going to be some real courtroom horseshit / ooohhhh shiiit moments too.
Wouldn’t it be grand if we could end it on a high note, and stop thinking “I’m living through history” every 1-3 years?
Oh, to know boredom.
I was alive for the Columbia explosion, 9/11, the Challenger explosion, and Reagan's attempted assassination. I saw them all as highlight reels on TV hours after the facts. I saw OJ's glove escapade on the evening news. I expect there to be a Trump trial moment like that, but I don't need to see it live, and I definitely don't need to sit through hour after hour of courtroom procedure waiting to see that one moment.
I'm glad the trial will be recorded for posterity. That seems like the best way to answer claims of shenanigans in any trial. Actually watching the trial, all the way through, seems a little too much like watching Nascar hoping to see a big crash.
seems a little too much like watching Nascar hoping to see a big crash.
NASCAR is not just about watching cars going around in a circle waiting for a crash.
It's "a day at the beach" for those who don't have an ocean nearby. Tailgate parties and beautiful people dressed for the occasion. A reason to relax and enjoy.
I think it's going to be the exact opposite. They'll make a mockery of the justice system and turn it into a circus. The media will report every day and Drumph will keep his name continuously talked about. Meanwhile his team will watch what is reported nightly so they can strategize a narrative for "his viewers" while at the same time going as close to whatever line(s) as they can without crossing, but still keeping it a spectacle. It'll be even worse than the 4 years he was president.
I was going to say that the conspiracy theorists would watch it simply to figure out all the ways this is a Jewish-space-laser-controlled judge presiding over an adrenochrome -addicted jury, with all the officers of the court being lizardmen in humanskin.
Then I realized that was simply too much effort for them; they'll just get their conspiracies from Fox and Tucker, and Joe Rogan as usual.
You know, I'm getting real tired of you goyim knowing about our laser.
I’m wholeheartedly behind the WGA & SGA, but god bless Georgia for coming in clutch with content over the next year plus.
That's a brilliant way to look at this
Wonder what sponsors they’ll have… Will the judge ask us to smash the like button?
It'll be funded via concurrent 24/7 American Truck Sim stream (hosted by Will Smith) + charity raffle
I was thinking more like the following:
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They'll probably demand we "dab on the notification bell"
Out-fucking-standing. I am absolutely going to watch this. It’ll be the first Trump footage I’ve voluntarily watched in quite a while.
So we're clear, this is not the revolution
The revolution will be monetized
It’s the opposite. It’s the last defense of our current form of government.
It's a marketing campaign
For the truth, yes.
The campaign audience of Trump followers don't care about that.
I am not going to watch any of that.
When he was on the NPR news cycle five times a day I started yelling and cursing uncontrollably to the point where I was diving at the radio to turn it off or change the station so that I would not freak the fuck out.
It doesn't matter where Trump is. I don't want to be there. It is a defilement to view him.
Practice stoicism my friend.
Ppl on the left freaking out is exactly what they want.
Treat trump and the gop the same way you treat clowns...laugh at them.
It's the thing they fear the most...loss of narrative.
Best I can do is exude the overwhelming smugness of a 17th century Scottish trader who just gonvinced some Englishmen to buy goods for way over market price.
Eh
.little wins
Clowns like gacy maybe. I can't even laugh anymore
Me either. However, I look forward to Legal Eagle breaking down the highlights.
it's crazy that trump has basically trained us all to be able to understand him because he's basically incoherent. in speeches he alternates between pre-written sections that he is clearly struggling to read, and completely thoughtless ad-libs like "many people are saying this" which he will say about literally anything. and in more spontaneous formats he's just all over the fucking place, he just leaves a trail of sentence fragments behind him until he's decided he's talked for an appropriate amount of time. and his voice, i mean, he sounds like mark hamill's joker after dental anesthesia. they should play his speeches on speakers mounted to the underside of cargo ships to repel whales
mark hamill's joker after dental anesthesia
Wow, is that ever accurate.
they should play his speeches on speakers mounted to the underside of cargo ships to repel whales
You should consider a career in comedy.
I get it. I always try to tune in for these kinds of things though, the somewhat boring dense slow trials, because I want to be better informed to counteract any right wing rhetoric I encounter. In particular IRL.
plus it's more mundane factual shit so I'm here for that, but if he treats it like the debates idk if I could all the interrupting to make no point just to get sound bites and derail the other person.
I think him in a courtroom will be different, perhaps startlingly so. He won't be able to just say whatever he wants, he'll have to actually try to make a logical coherent case. Which, being impossible for him personally, means that I think we will not hear much from him. His legal team will do most of the talking, if he has any brains at all.
if he has any brains at all.
Important caveat. We may hear a lot from him after all!
He won't be at the center of the action. He'll be sitting and shutting up and letting his lawyers talk for him. And of course trying not to look guilty when the prosecution details his crimes.
I too have avoided listening or watching him. This might be a really different thing.
Free media coverage of anything Trump does tends to boost Trump's popularity, even if a normal person would see it as stupid or embarrassing. So I'm in two minds about this.
This is the 2016 election strategy all over again. “If we blast negative Trump coverage 24/7 people will finally wake up to how evil/racist/dumb/etc. he is!”
This is going to be bigger than the OJ trial. He’s raised close to 10 million off of the mug shot alone. If he’s making that much off the “movie poster”, how much do you think he’s going to profit from the full-length “feature film”?
In 2016 they kept up stupid narratives about how "shrill" or "unlikable" Hillary was to "some" people as well. Also, they gave horse race style/ bothsiderist coverage to right's utter nonsense about BENGHAAAAAAZIIII and things like email servers.
They also decidedly did NOT give the real backstory on donnie and did absolutely nothing to really vet him for an American public that mostly only knew him from being a Bigly Successful Bidnessman on a game show someone else built around his fake image...
Even for the famous tape where he is caught bragging about sexual assault, they chose to focus on the p-word and the pearl-clutching over how that is "locker room talk", when the key issue is really that he's bragging about sexually assaulting women because of the power imbalance, and not because he said the word "pussy". Yeah, the media absolutely flubbed even that much.
Flubbed, or just did like they always do and treat him (and his chud army) with kid gloves? I doubt they’d have used the “oh my stars please get me to the fainting couch” strat had Hillary bragged about grabbing a dude by the dick.
Flubbed, or just did like they always do and treat him (and his chud army) with kid gloves?
Oh I have little doubt that quite a few within the media absolutely delighted in the idea of giving him lots and lots of airtime in order to fatten their wallets, and also a good deal of them really seem to just hate and despise the Clintons, especially Hillary, so they took every opportunity to take a shot at her. I do think quite a few thought that it was one big freaking joke and he could "never" win and engaged in lots and lots of bothsiderism over fears that the right will declare they are biased, hilariously, for the left.
The right declares the media are all liberals anyway, no matter what they do, so I have no idea why there are so many in the media that bend over backwards to do the "objective" bothsiderist things.
Even when he's officially declared ineligible in enough states to matter, conservatives will continue to waste their money on him instead of viable candidates. Let him bleed them dry. He can count all their money from behind bars.
I understand but he's going to make hay out of this no matter what. The good news is that this isn't a debate with an imperfect moderator; it's a judge who can slap real sanctions on people for breaking decorum. Trump won't be in control.
Yeah but it's extremely important for the future of this country for these trials be freely available so we all have the facts (even if people choose to ignore them).it's just important 10-20 years later so the facts don't get erased.
US treason trial drinking game, what are the rules?
We now go live to San Francisco where a homeless person is probably gay and Hispanic.
Wow, the criminality of it all. Wish we had Trump as our president, then we would be crime free!!
Try moving to Texas, where they eliminated all rapes
Texas Governor be like "if she's forced to carry the child till birth and marry the rapist then it doesn't count in statistics!"
What a fucking joke dude
Any random car chase, if that famous Hannity clip is any indication.
This is going to backfire in a big way. Whole lot of people seem to think this will be justice porn or somehow convince his base of his criminality but it is going to do no such thing. According to one poll, the majority (77%) of likely GOP primary voters are already convinced the trial is "politically motivated", with only 8% more concerned about him attempting to overturn an election. You can take a look at some polling here, there are other even more troublesome results as well: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/
No matter how awful, contradictory, and ridiculous he will be in that court room, this is likely going to be a massive boon for Trump, and his followers are going to see it as the realization of their own fears of persecution. This man is an ascendant fascist leader, not the sad sack finally facing consequences that liberals so desperately want him to be, and the effect this will have on mobilizing his base to continue to escalate will be immense. These people do not give a single fuck about """law and order""" no matter how much they pretend they do, stop assuming they will just accept things when he is found guilty. They won't.
I'm just trying to help people realize how dangerous and precarious this whole situation is. People were laughing and making jokes when he first announced his candidacy, and kept on doing it right up to the point that he won the election. Don't make the same mistake again, because while yall are cracking jokes, him and his ghouls are hurting people. They are passing discriminatory laws, they are in the supreme court setting dangerous precedents and overturning inconvenient ones, and they are patrolling the streets looking for people to brutalize and throw in jail. They are committing hate crimes and becoming increasingly radicalized and mobilized.
Stop pretending this is entertainment or business as usual, it's not. I'm begging you to understand that the fascists are already here, and the longer they're underestimated the better their chances of seizing control.
This is going to backfire.
First of all, never try to get inside a conservative's head if you are going to come out with a loser defeatism attitude. 2nd, Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump will not have any control of the trial at all.
of likely GOP primary voters are already convinced the trial is "politically motivated"
That is the most important reason why the trial needs to be televised.
Stop pretending this is entertainment or business as usual, it's not.
Another reason why it is absolutely critical to have the trial televised. I can remember the Watergate TV hearings and the entire country was riveted by the seriousness of the proceedings. The Jan 6 House committee televised hearing were also riveting for everybody who watched them in full. It will be like that only with everyone watching. The very reason for televising the proceedings is so that everybody understands the seriousness.
Remember that Onion headline "man would die fighting to defend what he imagines the Constitution to be"?
Many modern conservatives are like that. They will bleat all day about laws, and yet have never spent 2 minutes even reading a Wikipedia page about them.
They'll believe whatever pundits tell them to believe.
Not for one minute will any of those law and order loving, institution-protecting, facts not feelings, crowd consider that Trump is there because of real actual crimes he really did commit.
Criminal trials are different tho. Especially when news agencies are doing nightly breakdowns of how bad this really is. Fox can only cover up so much...
I've said it before, religion primes people to believe stupid shit, as long as it's delivered with conviction.
Talking snake? No problem! Waking on water? You betchya! Kangaroo court? Don't mind if I do!
Begging people to understand the severity of the threat Trump and his followers pose is a "loser defeatist attitude"? If you genuinely think that anyone still supporting him is going to come out of watching this man on TV thinking less of him, or seeing it as a serious matter instead of some kind of political assassination of their dear leader, then you've not been paying attention for years.
How many times have liberals been convinced "surely, this will be the end of him!" only for it to galvanize his base and further cement him as their figurehead? Stop thinking that his base has an even remotely similar worldview to yourself, you could show them all the evidence in the world of his wrongdoing and they will still find a way to pretend it's not true. This is what I am trying to get people to understand, if you think fascists play by the rules you are sorely mistaken.
but this isnt about his base. I have written them off long ago. this is about the rest of the country. galvanizing them into understanding the seriousness of what this two-bit used car salesman huskster tried (and continues trying) to do to this country is the point.
republicans can not win power with their base alone. this was never about them.
As I replied to another person above, if you think my message was about votes and elections then you've misunderstood. This is quite literally a trial about an attempted overthrow of an election, their disdain for democracy is clear as day. The extent of that disdain, and what his base might be willing to do to get him in power regardless is exactly what I am trying to get people not to underestimate. Also, it might be a sobering thought to consider how many cops and soldiers are part of his base.
Begging people to understand the severity of the threat Trump and his followers pose is a "loser defeatist attitude"?
Begging that Trump's criminal trial is not shown on TV so that people will never understand the critical severity of his crimes, just because you've been duped into mindless panic is a loser defeatist attitude. You are letting Trump neofascists bully you into favoring a less strict accountability. A handful of Trump's followers committing suicide by cop do not pose a threat to the most powerful country in the world and by the end of the trial most people will understand that Treason Trump and other top neofascists are going to jail. Did Al Capone still have many followers after he went to jail? Nope.
His supporters are the cops. His followers are already in office, in courts, in law enforcement, and in the military at every level of each. They are already actively hurting people, indoctrinating children, destroying the environment, criminalizing minorities, brutalizing and killing dissidents, and both passing and enforcing laws to aid them in doing all of the aforementioned.
This is not a mindless panic. Women are having their rights repealed, queer folks are facing increasing violence and threats of imprisonment, and just about every visible minority is facing higher incidence of hate crimes and discrimination. The majority of americans are living paycheck to paycheck, and people can't afford average rent on average income (let alone minimum wage) in any city in the country. People are fucking starving and dying on the street, and the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical debt which is something that shouldn't even exist.
The refusal to reconcile reality with this fantasy of a powerful and healthy country is part of what has enabled fascists to ascend once more, and what keeps burying the bar for democrats further underground.
Every time Trump gets put on TV because people like yourself are convinced that this time will finally be his undoing, his base and support grows. The amount of free publicity this fuck has gotten from people that are ostensibly his opponents is staggering. If you keep assuming that laws, ethics, morals, and rules are going to be followed by fascists, you're in for a rude awakening.
edit: a couple words
Okay Ivan. You keep on cowering in fear in the basement while level headed proud Americans do the critical necessary work of protecting our 240 years of democracy, defeating the neofascists, and moving forward with progress.
Ah yes, the critical necessary work of waiting to vote every four years, sitting on your ass hoping fascism will sort itself out, and expecting the institutions you take for granted to protect you. Extremely brave and level headed, not cowardly or delusional in the least. /s
The weird insinuation that I am in any way related to or supportive of Russia is a nice touch, because nothing says "moving forward with progress" like demonizing an entire population, almost all of whom have as little control over their government as you do yours. I'm sure those neofascists are shaking in their boots.
Ah yes, the critical necessary work of waiting to vote every four years
The critical necessary work of putting Treason Trump and the neofascists on trial and televising it so the whole country can see.
sitting on your ass hoping fascism will sort itself out,
You're the one calling for inaction and fear because the bullies might get upset.
I’m sure those neofascists are shaking in their boots.
This neofascist sure looks like he's been owned by the libs
You are completely wrong. Why focus on idiots who won't change their mind no matter what? The important voter base are moderates and independents. If you are staunchly Democrat your vote does not matter. If you're Republican no matter what your vote does not matter. Sad but true. The people you're so worried about simply don't matter. If televising the trial convinces people who are on the fence then it's the right choice. They're just a small number of people.
I'm having difficulty finding a source because the information environment is thoroughly saturated on this topic. But IIRC, this has been tried before. There was a study where people who were thorough Trump supporters, the whole nine yards, when made to roleplay a mock jury and presented with the body of evidence available to the researchers at that point on one of Trump's crimes, still nonetheless felt they had no choice but to face a reality that they didn't want to believe.
Narcissists and liars thrive when they can dominate the narrative, and flounder when they can't. The Court system is designed around that. Hopefully it's up to the task.
I don't know about that. You should listen to the Knowledge Fight episodes featuring the Alex Jones trial. I have a feeling it's going to be something like that.
I quite agree. Giving a TV personality airtime is a dangerous gamble, and I'm not sure of the payoff the courts are looking for.
I really feel the important part of this trial is whether at the end he's barred from the ballots. If he's allowed to run it doesn't really matter who wins. His candidacy alone would show the rule of law and democracy has failed. That's the final, dim hope i cling to, that he will be barred from running. If he isn't, and runs? Thats when i will know for sure it is already as you said, that fascism is already here and democracy is dead.
Even if he's barred, I don't imagine anyone winning the GOP primary without a pledge to pardon him once elected. Beyond that, it seems that people really do not want to consider the very real possibility of a coup or jail break. Every time these fucks escalate there's a chorus of wilfully ignorant liberals bleating about "who could have seen this coming???" and every time there have been people like me begging them to take the threat seriously and to stop imagining there will be some moment when they finally see reason and accept defeat. The democratic strategy for opposing fascism seems to be just never losing another election, and somehow think throwing their most vulnerable constituents under the bus and catering to republicans and the mythical undecided voter is going to grow their lead enough to make that happen.
I'm saying all this not to frighten people but to try to wake them up to the reality of the threat we face, because right now we're sleepwalking into fascists seizing power.
I agree. As one of the Democrats left behind in their rightward lurching i feel (quite painfully, tbh) how the party seems more interested in bringing moderate Republicans into the fold more than they want folks like me who have been here all along. Their practice of giving money to Republican extremists with the express purpose of running against them in the general tells me they wish to use fascism to their benefit rather than stomp it out as they claim.
If everyone's holding cameras, who's gonna hold the pitchforks and molotovs?
Gopro helmet mounts!
But if they don't have their phones, how are we going to geolocate all the participants like last time?
Just bomb everyone?
The revolution will not be televised. The revolution... will not be televised.
How can they actually get jurors for this?
If the facts require the jurors to convict, there is no chance that this won't ruin their lives (if not significantly shorten them). Even before then, it's going to be a problem. His supporters have already declared and demonstrated that they are willing to use violence.
Thank you, but I'd sit in jail as long as necessary to not be on any of these juries.
How do you even find an impartial jury? I might be wrong but I was almost certain that an impartial jury is required to convict, which is why they always ask you about potential conflicts of interest when you attend jury duty. How many impartial jurors can there be at this point? Tbh, I'm not even sure I would trust an impartial jury with this case. To me, if you're claiming to be impartial then you're either lying, or you give zero fucks about politics and the people around you. Being impartial in this context has some really concerning implications about you.
Am I biased? Fucking absolutely and I hope he's found guilty.
Can I set aside my bias and only consider the evidence as presented? Also fucking absolutely.
There are plenty of people who care enough about the rule of law that would let a man they hate walk free. If you can't, perhaps you should be more concerned with yourself than the implications you ascribe to others who don't deserve it.
My concern is that there's a certain type of person who would have zero issues with lying about how impartial they are. Here's a hint, they're not like us.
Being impartial doesn’t mean that you are midway between prosecution and defendant.
Impartial means that you will take the facts presented to you at face value and derive logical conclusions from those facts.
I loath trump... but if I was on the jury I would do my job and set aside my personal feelings and listen to the evidence presented by both side and make a decision within the confines of the law... if the prosecution gave charges they couldn't fully prove or over reached I hate to say it I'd have to find him not guilty even though I know morally he fucked up but it's the states job to have competent prosecutors that do their job well. I truly hope the prosecution does a stellar job and gets a conviction and I hope those in the jury take it seriously and set aside personal feelings and listen to the facts.
I think there are lots of people who have a strong belief in justice regardless of their ideology. Being impartial does not mean you have no foreknowledge of the case but means your willing to make a decision based on the evidence alone. Lots of infamous people are tried and convicted even though their case was quite public.
The problem is I believe there will be a much higher possibility of people with a hard political conviction that will attempt to hide that bias just to get on the jury. And they might. People willing to ignore evidence even if God himself came down and testified.
You raise a very good point. I think they should be able to use "innominate jury" (anonymous jury) so that the public and the defendants are not able to know who they are. I don't know how common it is in RICO cases but it wouldn't supprise me if this will be used in these cases.
Waaaay more painful. Lately, primarily when via Chromecast, I get ads that are three to 15+ minutes long. Whole music videos forced into the middle of my kid watching a kids show. One time I got a literal sermon as an ad. The whole thing.
It feels like it should be illegal, especially for kids videos. I'm doing dishes the room over and have to stop, dry my hands, dig through my phone to find the skip button.
Before COVID hit, I remember people talking about watching YT content as a regular viewing medium which I thought was sort of low rent. Changed my mind when I discovered the crazy amount of choice and content. Got rid of Netflix and bought YT premium.
Trump is a clown but he won't be defending himself. I do expect some rather asinine conclusions and completely non-credible testimony from the defense but much like the lawyers that have abandoned Trump in the past, his attorneys have limits. They're not nearly as "untouchable" as Trump has been and the kind of arguments Trump would want to make will land them in jail.
I think the success of this trial will hinge on the evidence collected AND the professionalism of those involved in the case. The MAGAts won't watch or won't believe a single shred of evidence. This is for the benefit of those who still know how to form a rational thought.
The MAGAts won’t watch or won’t believe a single shred of evidence.
I highly doubt that one actually. It's going to be a political circus, and they're all about that. I wouldn't be surprised if they weave every single movement, twitch, fart, or whisper he does into part of their lunatic conspiracy theory ecosystem, post about it on shitter as memes, or both.
They will only see the clips that Faux News chooses to show them. Why watch a boring trial when you can tune in to your favorite talking head show to be told how you feel about the whole situation? You know, like a true free thinker!
Spot on!
"Trump is a clown but he won't be defending himself"
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I hope the writers are not on strike by then. Late night careers will be made from this.
Don't worry, Netflix is currently pushing the Depp vs Herd trial as worthy content. The writers have already finished the practice run.
I cancelled Netflix the day after they kicked my daughter off my account at the end of May. Have not missed it one bit.
Is this a new trend? like Johnny depp and Amber heard !? twitch ttv would melt if they added a 'court room' tab
No, big trials have pretty much always been televised
Just throw it under "IRL", nothing will go wrong trust me
The Pamela Smart effect
will the secret service have to guard him when he's in prison? Questions that keep me up at night lol
I've said this before but the obvious solution is to reopen Guantanamo and just leave him there.
He'll have to fend off the seagulls himself.
Guantanamo never closed
Alkatraz sounds cooler though.
No way am I going to let him ruin Alcatraz. That was the best audio tour I ever had and I don't want to have to hear him yelling bullshit over the headphones. They aren't noise-cancelling.
Seriously though, I highly recommend it if you're in San Francisco. You go through the building hearing testimonies from former prisoners and guards all while the sounds of the prison's various areas, whichever one you happen to be in, play in the background while you walk through it. It's amazingly immersive.
I concur. I'd recomment the evening tour if they still offer it.
It would be ironic to have him in prison in California.
My favorite option is have the government take over Mar-A-Lago. Trump stays in one room - which gets stripped to just the bare walls with a prison cot tossed in. Nobody else - except for Secret Service or support staff like janitors and cooks - are allowed in.
At mealtime, he's marched down the bare glass hallways to the empty dining area where he's served standard prison food. Then he's marched right back to his room. Let him rot as a shell of a man in the shell of the complex he loved so much.
We could call France's ambassador and ask if we could borrow Devil's Island...
Secret service bringing him cakes with metal files.
Trump is entitled to Secret Service protection for life. This is not only to prevent a former President, but also what's in his head.
It's already been pretty much established that if Trump goes to jail, the Secret Service protects him there as well. How that would work is a logistical nightmare that hasn't yet been sorted out, and is one of the reasons that judges haven't jailed him already -- its a can of worms that's going to have to be opened at some point, but nobody wants to be the one to have to open the can.
Can anybody explain why thats a logistical nightmare. Seems pretty simple to me: he's in a fucking jail cell in a secure building and the secret service protects him like they do in any other place; except easier because its a secure location.
Sure, he can't be in general population. But don't they have other inmates like that? Just do what they do then (I guess he gets a cell to himself; maybe gets his meals delivered).
I don't see why thats more than a minor paperwork glitch. Surely we've had inmates before that need to be reasonably protected from other inmates. Heck, I'll bet gitmo is ready to handle it.
This is not only to prevent a former President,
if only they could prevent trump.
This is why they'll give him house arrest at best.
I'm thinking the Dept. of Corrections will have to build a facility just for Trump. It'll be like Spandau Prison in Germany, a prison with just one prisoner.
Maybe they'll repurpose a wing of a prison to be the Trump wing....
Let's just build him a tiny house in Northern Alaska that has no running water. He and his loyalist SS men who deleted all the texts can be stationed out there until he dies of old age 4 months later
I assume the most reasonable solution would be house arrest. It would be nice to see him in a jail cell, but that seems impossible.
Yes, they'll keep Trump very safe as he's making license plates!
Now I know what to stream on my second monitor while working. Reminds me of the Depp v. Heard. I got that shit playing on my second monitor non stop. I'm not much of a person who likes to bicker. But watching rich people fight each other warms some part of me.
The poor part of you?
Maybe, let's hope that warm feeling doesn't turn into hunger eh?
It popped up in my Netflix the other day. Is the series biased? The trailer gave me vibes that it would make Depp seem like a dickbag and amber like an angel.
Not that I have a side but I would rather not watch something that's obviously biased. I prefer hard facts.
My wife watched it and now thinks that depp is a dickbag so yeah probably
But Depp is a dickbag tho. But not a wife-beating dickbag.
It's more along the lines of how they were both assholes to each other. It definitely does not show amber as an angel.
how do they prevent disclosure of the jury?
They keep the camera pointed away from them. Are you too young for the OJ trial?
Just don't point the camera at the jury?
Or let them sit in a separate room
That would probably be best once Trump realises he can sabotage the whole trial with the use of his camera phone.
There's no way they're going to allow Trump (or anyone else for that matter) to bring in a cell phone.
And even if they do, do you honestly think that (a) Trump would know on his own how to record and stream video, or (b) he wouldn't be immediately tackled to the ground and the cell phone removed from his possession? I doubt he'd just be allowed to sit there and record the faces of the jury while the judge just sits there and says "Aw, shucks. I guess Trump got the better of us!"
Honestly, no. I don't think he can use one other than for tweeting nonsense. And the bird icon is gone now, so he can't even do that.
Couldn't members of the public do the same?
I will guarantee you, especially with everything surrounding this case and this defendant, that cell phones of any kind aren't going to even be allowed in the courtroom.
I wouldn't even be surprised if the jury was seated in a separate room, viewing the hearing from behind a one-way mirror, just to prevent anybody from randomly being able to visually identify and publish the names of any of the jurors.
I can't wait for all the what's actually behind the glass conspiracy theories.
you mean you don't believe the jury is lizards
If they're allowed in, then I assume so.
But they might actually face repercussions for doing so, while Trump feels little people laws are beneath him, and in fairness here, I've not seen a lot in the last 6 years or so that might prove him wrong on that.
Rich people rarely face consequences. Epstein ran a literal paedo island for 20 years, and it was (probably) only the blackmailing of even richer people that landed him in prison and "suicided".
Even with all these charges, I reckon the best we can hope for is Trump not being allowed to run the country again, and even then I suspect time and poor shape may take care of that so a judge doesn't have to.
Yes, but most of them don't have "rich and powerful white guy" near-total immunity from the "justice" system, so they wouldn't get away with jury tampering like their Mango Messiah has so far.
We are all the jury on this blessed day
They can follow it on tv from home
Oh are we pretending the magats aren't going to out them as soon as the trial begins?
On a side note, I GUARANTEE that Kenneth Chesebro was in a frat and that the others called him Kenny Cheese-Bro.
I bet they just called him Cheese.
Yo yo K-Cheese what is UP my man
Not Rich not George just Cheese.
I wonder if his lawyers will be as much of a train wreck as those that represented Amber Heard?
I got a feeling that Heard's lawyers will look like Harvard Law professors, compared to these folks.
Oh, I do hope so!
I watched the trial in full and found them to be decent. What did you not like?
Honestly didn't think there was ever going to be a trial more closely watched than OJ's. Guess he'll get the ratings he's always friggin obsessed with.
"I wish to have the greatest ratings of anyone ever!"
monkey's finger curls
private eye (uk satirical mag) had the caption:
"four more years!"
"how about twenty?"
I'd love to watch Trump try to run away in a 1994 Ford Bronco but I'm not sure he can drive.
Where's al cowlings when you need him?
Productivity is going to plummet. It’s gonna be fuckin LIT.
They interrupted my 8th grade art class to hear the OJ Simpson verdict. This is way bigger than that.
So the “lawyers” for this piece of shit will make their entire presentation Victim Theater for the legions of turd followers.
Bro you're fucked off you do fucked if you don't. It's public and important for the public to know so don't judge them to harshly for that at least.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
There goes my productivity for that month.
I like flying squids.
Do you usually swirl your appendages, or do you flap them?
Well well, you have my upvote for giving me nightmares in the future.
N.B. This flying squid article is behind a pay wall.
What? No it isn't.
I'm sorry to confirm it, but it is locked for me, too.
Gonna have better ratings than the apprentice.
Sounds like free ads for google with public money
They are hosting it
It should be on twitch too. Could you imaging spamming KEKW whenever trump says something dumb or the judge having to read out twitch donations?
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They should do that. Give the donations to something that helps people.
Kino
And they say there's nothing good on TV anymore.
I for one welcome the schadenfreude.
Oh fuck yes.
Opiates for the masses
Don't hold your breath. The odds of this case being moved to federal court (where cameras are not allowed unless Roberts grows a soul) are not insignificant.
This is judicial corruption! It's a hand-out of free profits to YouTube!
(Not really serious, but ... shouldn't it be any media who want to cover it?)
Televised and streamed on YouTube.
Other media is covering it.
Excellent.
Streamed on youtube to then have Netflix steal that footage and make a "documentary" on it.
There's a Celebrity Apprentice joke in here somewhere.
Everybody grab your popcorn and settle in for the ensuing circus!
The Falseman Show
"I knew this show was fake from the start, it was my incredible acting that fooled everyone"
Can we say the obvious for a second?
Good decision. Everyone needs to be able to see this. It's important, especially in this climate.
Something this important, we all need to witness, no matter which way the verdict goes.
Except the people that need to watch it are going to refuse and call it corruption. And still have extremely strong, unmoveable, opinions about it.
Same as the Jan 6th hearing
They'll get their out of context and misleading soundbites from the right wind media overlords, which will only reinforce their blind faith in their lord and savior trump.
Oh that's a good point though.
On one hand the media won't be able to resist actually covering the trial but on the other hand if they do that they'll be informing their viewership, and that can't happen.
And that, even if it's true or not, doesn't really matter.
The point is, this is the first time one of our leaders has been put on trial, it's something that all the people of the nation need to witness, regardless of its effect, or outcome. We can't just be told the outcome, we need to see it with our own eyes.
What does this heat have to do with it?
it will keep people indoors
What's best is everyone will see the evidence.
Not really. The people who need to see and believe the evidence will never see it and will deny that it is anything but lies.
This should be the top comment
It is
lol it was 0 points when I said that.
Anyone a big enough drunk to take a shot every time Trump, himself, tries to object?
Do you want to give everyone alcohol poisoning?!
I think drinking that many shot glasses of water would kill you, honestly
What if you take a drink every time he tries to object to his own defense? I'm pretty sure taking a shot when he objects to anything would kill even the most experienced alcoholic.
Maybe he'll just do like what he did in the debate with Hillary: "Wrong."
What about every time he's held in contempt? That would be much more modest. More my speed, I think.
I still think you're flirting with death there. You should augment it to every time Trump holds the judge in contempt.
"No contempt! No contempt! You're in contempt!"
"ERECTIONJECTION YOUR JUDGESHIP! somethingsomethingorangewordsalad" - Trump
/sigh
Wait, does that even count?
I read this as “Erection Ejection” and for some reason that shit alone cracked me up, then thinking of Trump saying, “Erection Ejection!” cracked me up more. Well done, I needed the laugh.
I'm saying this next time I finish, my wife will be thrilled.
Mine is waiting on me to finish walking the dogs.
I’ll report back about how it goes.
Pray for me boys.
I’m back.
2 days I’ve been crawling.
Abort mission. Don’t…do…it. Gaaah.
He'll be confused more than half the time.
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Ask the popcorn eating will counteract the alcohol, digestion-wise.
Fastest way to end stage cirrhosis
They should add some twitch integration too, 10,000 bits and the defendant has to floss.
Donation meme soundboard
I’m picturing a lot of psychotic TikTok “yes yes ice cream so good gang gang”
Fawx News: "Now back to continuing coverage of paint drying. Make sure to stay tuned because we have Hunter Bidens dick pics as well! Laptop! Biden Crime Family! NO! DO NOT TOUCH THAT DIAL! NOOOOOOOO!!!"
BENGHAAAAAAAZI! EEEEEEEEMAIL!
The last big 'Hitler is still alive' movie was 1978's 'The Boys From Brazil.' Extrapolating from that, I think we'll see the last attack on Hilary Clinton in the early 2100's.
What about Look Who's Back?
I hope he suddenly goes all sovereign citizen and handles his own defense.
He should. After all, doesn't he know more about the law than anyone? And he's a stable genius too. Sounds like he should save the money he'd spend on his lawyers and just handle his own defense. I'm sure he'd win easily in court, right? (Barely manages to contain laughter)
He pays lawyers?
Sadly he can probably get a volunteer at this point. Set for life if you win the case, if you lose you blame the Deep State
Any lawyer who works for Trump likely asks for cash in advance. Either that or the lawyer is so bottom of the barrel and has drunk the kool-aid so much that they essentially are agreeing to work for free. (Because Trump WILL refuse to pay them whether he wins or loses.)
At the rate he's going through lawyers who are willing to jump in front of the train for him he might actually have to. He might not be able to find a lawyer who's willing to defend his sorry ass.
Trumpty Dumpty the sovcit 🤣
AM I BEING DETAINED
Sadly this will only be watched as justice porn for the left, the right won't even care.
Everyone likes justice porn in America. The OJ trial was one of the most watched TV events in history at the time.
Well it's about to be topped.
I don't know about that. An awful lot of conservatives are bending over backwards to explain why Trump was justified in breaking the law multiple times. They certainly do care, and some people have even died over it. Remember the guy who tried to go after the FBIfield office in Cincinnati, OH?
I've heard some arguments saying that if Trump "knew" the election was rigged, he had a moral imperative to do whatever was necessary to maintain the union. The fact that the charges exist at all is proof of conspiracy, and the trial is just a parade. While I don't agree, it's hard to get thru to people that don't agree on the same objective reality.
Turns out if you lie often enough and about something and just keep repeating it, people will start to believe it.
There's unfortunately, also some evidence to the contrary that he privately knew he lost and did all this crap anyway.
Nevermind the phone call where he asked the Georgia secretary of state to find him 11,780 votes. But, if that's not enough to convince people he's making shit up, nothing will convince them.
Unfortunately, I'm dumb at psychology, and I have no idea how you would deprogram these people.
For groups like this reprogramming usually starts with facing the wall.
What does "facing the wall" mean?
firing squad presumably
It's like when the last thing a mosquito sees is it's ass when it hits your windshield.
For me it will be 1/3 Justice porn and 2/3 I’m living through history titillation.
Yeah. While I absolutely have a bias and want to see this fucker convicted, I feel like no matter what, it's going to have at least one "Where were you when...." moment.
Almost every generation has a couple. Where were you when JFK was shot? When the Challenger exploded? During 9/11? When Columbia burned up?
I mean, obviously, reading the verdict is going to be there, but I feel like there's going to be some real courtroom horseshit / ooohhhh shiiit moments too.
Wouldn’t it be grand if we could end it on a high note, and stop thinking “I’m living through history” every 1-3 years?
Oh, to know boredom.
I was alive for the Columbia explosion, 9/11, the Challenger explosion, and Reagan's attempted assassination. I saw them all as highlight reels on TV hours after the facts. I saw OJ's glove escapade on the evening news. I expect there to be a Trump trial moment like that, but I don't need to see it live, and I definitely don't need to sit through hour after hour of courtroom procedure waiting to see that one moment.
I'm glad the trial will be recorded for posterity. That seems like the best way to answer claims of shenanigans in any trial. Actually watching the trial, all the way through, seems a little too much like watching Nascar hoping to see a big crash.
NASCAR is not just about watching cars going around in a circle waiting for a crash.
It's "a day at the beach" for those who don't have an ocean nearby. Tailgate parties and beautiful people dressed for the occasion. A reason to relax and enjoy.
I think it's going to be the exact opposite. They'll make a mockery of the justice system and turn it into a circus. The media will report every day and Drumph will keep his name continuously talked about. Meanwhile his team will watch what is reported nightly so they can strategize a narrative for "his viewers" while at the same time going as close to whatever line(s) as they can without crossing, but still keeping it a spectacle. It'll be even worse than the 4 years he was president.
I was going to say that the conspiracy theorists would watch it simply to figure out all the ways this is a Jewish-space-laser-controlled judge presiding over an adrenochrome -addicted jury, with all the officers of the court being lizardmen in humanskin.
Then I realized that was simply too much effort for them; they'll just get their conspiracies from Fox and Tucker, and Joe Rogan as usual.
You know, I'm getting real tired of you goyim knowing about our laser.
Tis a joke but I am actually jew
This is what I should have said to begin with
Fuck ‘em.
This should 100% be televised. This affects us all. This was the attempted overthrow of our democracy and justice should not be hidden.
There is way more benefit then problem with this IMHO.
I’m wholeheartedly behind the WGA & SGA, but god bless Georgia for coming in clutch with content over the next year plus.
That's a brilliant way to look at this
Wonder what sponsors they’ll have… Will the judge ask us to smash the like button?
It'll be funded via concurrent 24/7 American Truck Sim stream (hosted by Will Smith) + charity raffle
I was thinking more like the following:
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[note: the per-mille is intentional]
They'll probably demand we "dab on the notification bell"
Out-fucking-standing. I am absolutely going to watch this. It’ll be the first Trump footage I’ve voluntarily watched in quite a while.
So we're clear, this is not the revolution
The revolution will be monetized
It’s the opposite. It’s the last defense of our current form of government.
It's a marketing campaign
For the truth, yes.
The campaign audience of Trump followers don't care about that.
I am not going to watch any of that.
When he was on the NPR news cycle five times a day I started yelling and cursing uncontrollably to the point where I was diving at the radio to turn it off or change the station so that I would not freak the fuck out.
It doesn't matter where Trump is. I don't want to be there. It is a defilement to view him.
Practice stoicism my friend. Ppl on the left freaking out is exactly what they want. Treat trump and the gop the same way you treat clowns...laugh at them.
It's the thing they fear the most...loss of narrative.
Best I can do is exude the overwhelming smugness of a 17th century Scottish trader who just gonvinced some Englishmen to buy goods for way over market price.
Eh .little wins
Clowns like gacy maybe. I can't even laugh anymore
Me either. However, I look forward to Legal Eagle breaking down the highlights.
it's crazy that trump has basically trained us all to be able to understand him because he's basically incoherent. in speeches he alternates between pre-written sections that he is clearly struggling to read, and completely thoughtless ad-libs like "many people are saying this" which he will say about literally anything. and in more spontaneous formats he's just all over the fucking place, he just leaves a trail of sentence fragments behind him until he's decided he's talked for an appropriate amount of time. and his voice, i mean, he sounds like mark hamill's joker after dental anesthesia. they should play his speeches on speakers mounted to the underside of cargo ships to repel whales
Wow, is that ever accurate.
You should consider a career in comedy.
I get it. I always try to tune in for these kinds of things though, the somewhat boring dense slow trials, because I want to be better informed to counteract any right wing rhetoric I encounter. In particular IRL.
plus it's more mundane factual shit so I'm here for that, but if he treats it like the debates idk if I could all the interrupting to make no point just to get sound bites and derail the other person.
I think him in a courtroom will be different, perhaps startlingly so. He won't be able to just say whatever he wants, he'll have to actually try to make a logical coherent case. Which, being impossible for him personally, means that I think we will not hear much from him. His legal team will do most of the talking, if he has any brains at all.
Important caveat. We may hear a lot from him after all!
He won't be at the center of the action. He'll be sitting and shutting up and letting his lawyers talk for him. And of course trying not to look guilty when the prosecution details his crimes.
I too have avoided listening or watching him. This might be a really different thing.
My word, that is delicious.
Free media coverage of anything Trump does tends to boost Trump's popularity, even if a normal person would see it as stupid or embarrassing. So I'm in two minds about this.
This is the 2016 election strategy all over again. “If we blast negative Trump coverage 24/7 people will finally wake up to how evil/racist/dumb/etc. he is!”
This is going to be bigger than the OJ trial. He’s raised close to 10 million off of the mug shot alone. If he’s making that much off the “movie poster”, how much do you think he’s going to profit from the full-length “feature film”?
In 2016 they kept up stupid narratives about how "shrill" or "unlikable" Hillary was to "some" people as well. Also, they gave horse race style/ bothsiderist coverage to right's utter nonsense about BENGHAAAAAAZIIII and things like email servers.
They also decidedly did NOT give the real backstory on donnie and did absolutely nothing to really vet him for an American public that mostly only knew him from being a Bigly Successful Bidnessman on a game show someone else built around his fake image...
Even for the famous tape where he is caught bragging about sexual assault, they chose to focus on the p-word and the pearl-clutching over how that is "locker room talk", when the key issue is really that he's bragging about sexually assaulting women because of the power imbalance, and not because he said the word "pussy". Yeah, the media absolutely flubbed even that much.
Flubbed, or just did like they always do and treat him (and his chud army) with kid gloves? I doubt they’d have used the “oh my stars please get me to the fainting couch” strat had Hillary bragged about grabbing a dude by the dick.
Oh I have little doubt that quite a few within the media absolutely delighted in the idea of giving him lots and lots of airtime in order to fatten their wallets, and also a good deal of them really seem to just hate and despise the Clintons, especially Hillary, so they took every opportunity to take a shot at her. I do think quite a few thought that it was one big freaking joke and he could "never" win and engaged in lots and lots of bothsiderism over fears that the right will declare they are biased, hilariously, for the left.
The right declares the media are all liberals anyway, no matter what they do, so I have no idea why there are so many in the media that bend over backwards to do the "objective" bothsiderist things.
Even when he's officially declared ineligible in enough states to matter, conservatives will continue to waste their money on him instead of viable candidates. Let him bleed them dry. He can count all their money from behind bars.
I understand but he's going to make hay out of this no matter what. The good news is that this isn't a debate with an imperfect moderator; it's a judge who can slap real sanctions on people for breaking decorum. Trump won't be in control.
Yeah but it's extremely important for the future of this country for these trials be freely available so we all have the facts (even if people choose to ignore them).it's just important 10-20 years later so the facts don't get erased.
US treason trial drinking game, what are the rules?
Don't die/alcohol poisoning
The drinking game is now a smoking game.
Uh, say goodbye to your lungs.
Shit game tbh
Take a shot every time the defense brings up the first amendment
RIP
Jesus
We're going to have to make Bullshit Bingo cards...
Omnomnomnom
Solid 2 piece, fries and a drink
I wonder what Fox will find to run instead.
Wow, the criminality of it all. Wish we had Trump as our president, then we would be crime free!!
Try moving to Texas, where they eliminated all rapes
Texas Governor be like "if she's forced to carry the child till birth and marry the rapist then it doesn't count in statistics!"
What a fucking joke dude
Any random car chase, if that famous Hannity clip is any indication.
This is going to backfire in a big way. Whole lot of people seem to think this will be justice porn or somehow convince his base of his criminality but it is going to do no such thing. According to one poll, the majority (77%) of likely GOP primary voters are already convinced the trial is "politically motivated", with only 8% more concerned about him attempting to overturn an election. You can take a look at some polling here, there are other even more troublesome results as well: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-poll-indictments-2023-08-20/
No matter how awful, contradictory, and ridiculous he will be in that court room, this is likely going to be a massive boon for Trump, and his followers are going to see it as the realization of their own fears of persecution. This man is an ascendant fascist leader, not the sad sack finally facing consequences that liberals so desperately want him to be, and the effect this will have on mobilizing his base to continue to escalate will be immense. These people do not give a single fuck about """law and order""" no matter how much they pretend they do, stop assuming they will just accept things when he is found guilty. They won't.
I'm just trying to help people realize how dangerous and precarious this whole situation is. People were laughing and making jokes when he first announced his candidacy, and kept on doing it right up to the point that he won the election. Don't make the same mistake again, because while yall are cracking jokes, him and his ghouls are hurting people. They are passing discriminatory laws, they are in the supreme court setting dangerous precedents and overturning inconvenient ones, and they are patrolling the streets looking for people to brutalize and throw in jail. They are committing hate crimes and becoming increasingly radicalized and mobilized.
Stop pretending this is entertainment or business as usual, it's not. I'm begging you to understand that the fascists are already here, and the longer they're underestimated the better their chances of seizing control.
First of all, never try to get inside a conservative's head if you are going to come out with a loser defeatism attitude. 2nd, Convicted Sex Offender Treason Trump will not have any control of the trial at all.
That is the most important reason why the trial needs to be televised.
Another reason why it is absolutely critical to have the trial televised. I can remember the Watergate TV hearings and the entire country was riveted by the seriousness of the proceedings. The Jan 6 House committee televised hearing were also riveting for everybody who watched them in full. It will be like that only with everyone watching. The very reason for televising the proceedings is so that everybody understands the seriousness.
Remember that Onion headline "man would die fighting to defend what he imagines the Constitution to be"?
Many modern conservatives are like that. They will bleat all day about laws, and yet have never spent 2 minutes even reading a Wikipedia page about them.
They'll believe whatever pundits tell them to believe.
Witch hunt? Unconstitutional? Politically motivated? Kangaroo court?
Not for one minute will any of those law and order loving, institution-protecting, facts not feelings, crowd consider that Trump is there because of real actual crimes he really did commit.
Criminal trials are different tho. Especially when news agencies are doing nightly breakdowns of how bad this really is. Fox can only cover up so much...
I've said it before, religion primes people to believe stupid shit, as long as it's delivered with conviction.
Talking snake? No problem! Waking on water? You betchya! Kangaroo court? Don't mind if I do!
Begging people to understand the severity of the threat Trump and his followers pose is a "loser defeatist attitude"? If you genuinely think that anyone still supporting him is going to come out of watching this man on TV thinking less of him, or seeing it as a serious matter instead of some kind of political assassination of their dear leader, then you've not been paying attention for years.
How many times have liberals been convinced "surely, this will be the end of him!" only for it to galvanize his base and further cement him as their figurehead? Stop thinking that his base has an even remotely similar worldview to yourself, you could show them all the evidence in the world of his wrongdoing and they will still find a way to pretend it's not true. This is what I am trying to get people to understand, if you think fascists play by the rules you are sorely mistaken.
but this isnt about his base. I have written them off long ago. this is about the rest of the country. galvanizing them into understanding the seriousness of what this two-bit used car salesman huskster tried (and continues trying) to do to this country is the point.
republicans can not win power with their base alone. this was never about them.
As I replied to another person above, if you think my message was about votes and elections then you've misunderstood. This is quite literally a trial about an attempted overthrow of an election, their disdain for democracy is clear as day. The extent of that disdain, and what his base might be willing to do to get him in power regardless is exactly what I am trying to get people not to underestimate. Also, it might be a sobering thought to consider how many cops and soldiers are part of his base.
edit: a couple words I missed
What is it you’re suggesting?
Begging that Trump's criminal trial is not shown on TV so that people will never understand the critical severity of his crimes, just because you've been duped into mindless panic is a loser defeatist attitude. You are letting Trump neofascists bully you into favoring a less strict accountability. A handful of Trump's followers committing suicide by cop do not pose a threat to the most powerful country in the world and by the end of the trial most people will understand that Treason Trump and other top neofascists are going to jail. Did Al Capone still have many followers after he went to jail? Nope.
His supporters are the cops. His followers are already in office, in courts, in law enforcement, and in the military at every level of each. They are already actively hurting people, indoctrinating children, destroying the environment, criminalizing minorities, brutalizing and killing dissidents, and both passing and enforcing laws to aid them in doing all of the aforementioned.
This is not a mindless panic. Women are having their rights repealed, queer folks are facing increasing violence and threats of imprisonment, and just about every visible minority is facing higher incidence of hate crimes and discrimination. The majority of americans are living paycheck to paycheck, and people can't afford average rent on average income (let alone minimum wage) in any city in the country. People are fucking starving and dying on the street, and the number one cause of bankruptcy is medical debt which is something that shouldn't even exist.
The refusal to reconcile reality with this fantasy of a powerful and healthy country is part of what has enabled fascists to ascend once more, and what keeps burying the bar for democrats further underground.
Every time Trump gets put on TV because people like yourself are convinced that this time will finally be his undoing, his base and support grows. The amount of free publicity this fuck has gotten from people that are ostensibly his opponents is staggering. If you keep assuming that laws, ethics, morals, and rules are going to be followed by fascists, you're in for a rude awakening.
edit: a couple words
Okay Ivan. You keep on cowering in fear in the basement while level headed proud Americans do the critical necessary work of protecting our 240 years of democracy, defeating the neofascists, and moving forward with progress.
Ah yes, the critical necessary work of waiting to vote every four years, sitting on your ass hoping fascism will sort itself out, and expecting the institutions you take for granted to protect you. Extremely brave and level headed, not cowardly or delusional in the least. /s
The weird insinuation that I am in any way related to or supportive of Russia is a nice touch, because nothing says "moving forward with progress" like demonizing an entire population, almost all of whom have as little control over their government as you do yours. I'm sure those neofascists are shaking in their boots.
The critical necessary work of putting Treason Trump and the neofascists on trial and televising it so the whole country can see.
You're the one calling for inaction and fear because the bullies might get upset.
This neofascist sure looks like he's been owned by the libs
https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/fe792f17-6e1f-494f-bc6b-a9e740f16bf7.jpeg
You are completely wrong. Why focus on idiots who won't change their mind no matter what? The important voter base are moderates and independents. If you are staunchly Democrat your vote does not matter. If you're Republican no matter what your vote does not matter. Sad but true. The people you're so worried about simply don't matter. If televising the trial convinces people who are on the fence then it's the right choice. They're just a small number of people.
I'm having difficulty finding a source because the information environment is thoroughly saturated on this topic. But IIRC, this has been tried before. There was a study where people who were thorough Trump supporters, the whole nine yards, when made to roleplay a mock jury and presented with the body of evidence available to the researchers at that point on one of Trump's crimes, still nonetheless felt they had no choice but to face a reality that they didn't want to believe.
Narcissists and liars thrive when they can dominate the narrative, and flounder when they can't. The Court system is designed around that. Hopefully it's up to the task.
I don't know about that. You should listen to the Knowledge Fight episodes featuring the Alex Jones trial. I have a feeling it's going to be something like that.
I quite agree. Giving a TV personality airtime is a dangerous gamble, and I'm not sure of the payoff the courts are looking for.
I really feel the important part of this trial is whether at the end he's barred from the ballots. If he's allowed to run it doesn't really matter who wins. His candidacy alone would show the rule of law and democracy has failed. That's the final, dim hope i cling to, that he will be barred from running. If he isn't, and runs? Thats when i will know for sure it is already as you said, that fascism is already here and democracy is dead.
Even if he's barred, I don't imagine anyone winning the GOP primary without a pledge to pardon him once elected. Beyond that, it seems that people really do not want to consider the very real possibility of a coup or jail break. Every time these fucks escalate there's a chorus of wilfully ignorant liberals bleating about "who could have seen this coming???" and every time there have been people like me begging them to take the threat seriously and to stop imagining there will be some moment when they finally see reason and accept defeat. The democratic strategy for opposing fascism seems to be just never losing another election, and somehow think throwing their most vulnerable constituents under the bus and catering to republicans and the mythical undecided voter is going to grow their lead enough to make that happen.
I'm saying all this not to frighten people but to try to wake them up to the reality of the threat we face, because right now we're sleepwalking into fascists seizing power.
I agree. As one of the Democrats left behind in their rightward lurching i feel (quite painfully, tbh) how the party seems more interested in bringing moderate Republicans into the fold more than they want folks like me who have been here all along. Their practice of giving money to Republican extremists with the express purpose of running against them in the general tells me they wish to use fascism to their benefit rather than stomp it out as they claim.
But will the revolution?
If everyone's holding cameras, who's gonna hold the pitchforks and molotovs?
Gopro helmet mounts!
But if they don't have their phones, how are we going to geolocate all the participants like last time?
Just bomb everyone?
The revolution will not be televised. The revolution... will not be televised.
How can they actually get jurors for this?
If the facts require the jurors to convict, there is no chance that this won't ruin their lives (if not significantly shorten them). Even before then, it's going to be a problem. His supporters have already declared and demonstrated that they are willing to use violence.
Thank you, but I'd sit in jail as long as necessary to not be on any of these juries.
How do you even find an impartial jury? I might be wrong but I was almost certain that an impartial jury is required to convict, which is why they always ask you about potential conflicts of interest when you attend jury duty. How many impartial jurors can there be at this point? Tbh, I'm not even sure I would trust an impartial jury with this case. To me, if you're claiming to be impartial then you're either lying, or you give zero fucks about politics and the people around you. Being impartial in this context has some really concerning implications about you.
Am I biased? Fucking absolutely and I hope he's found guilty.
Can I set aside my bias and only consider the evidence as presented? Also fucking absolutely.
There are plenty of people who care enough about the rule of law that would let a man they hate walk free. If you can't, perhaps you should be more concerned with yourself than the implications you ascribe to others who don't deserve it.
My concern is that there's a certain type of person who would have zero issues with lying about how impartial they are. Here's a hint, they're not like us.
Being impartial doesn’t mean that you are midway between prosecution and defendant.
Impartial means that you will take the facts presented to you at face value and derive logical conclusions from those facts.
I loath trump... but if I was on the jury I would do my job and set aside my personal feelings and listen to the evidence presented by both side and make a decision within the confines of the law... if the prosecution gave charges they couldn't fully prove or over reached I hate to say it I'd have to find him not guilty even though I know morally he fucked up but it's the states job to have competent prosecutors that do their job well. I truly hope the prosecution does a stellar job and gets a conviction and I hope those in the jury take it seriously and set aside personal feelings and listen to the facts.
I think there are lots of people who have a strong belief in justice regardless of their ideology. Being impartial does not mean you have no foreknowledge of the case but means your willing to make a decision based on the evidence alone. Lots of infamous people are tried and convicted even though their case was quite public.
The problem is I believe there will be a much higher possibility of people with a hard political conviction that will attempt to hide that bias just to get on the jury. And they might. People willing to ignore evidence even if God himself came down and testified.
You raise a very good point. I think they should be able to use "innominate jury" (anonymous jury) so that the public and the defendants are not able to know who they are. I don't know how common it is in RICO cases but it wouldn't supprise me if this will be used in these cases.
Advertising revenue will clear the national debt
Yay but ads on YouTube are way more painful
More painful then tv ads? Uh nope
Waaaay more painful. Lately, primarily when via Chromecast, I get ads that are three to 15+ minutes long. Whole music videos forced into the middle of my kid watching a kids show. One time I got a literal sermon as an ad. The whole thing.
It feels like it should be illegal, especially for kids videos. I'm doing dishes the room over and have to stop, dry my hands, dig through my phone to find the skip button.
Before COVID hit, I remember people talking about watching YT content as a regular viewing medium which I thought was sort of low rent. Changed my mind when I discovered the crazy amount of choice and content. Got rid of Netflix and bought YT premium.
Weird, I've had YouTube premium for years and prior it was never nearly as bad as tv ads every like 8 minutes
It’s been bad here lately. It really has.
Try a clown, expect a circus
Trump is a clown but he won't be defending himself. I do expect some rather asinine conclusions and completely non-credible testimony from the defense but much like the lawyers that have abandoned Trump in the past, his attorneys have limits. They're not nearly as "untouchable" as Trump has been and the kind of arguments Trump would want to make will land them in jail.
I think the success of this trial will hinge on the evidence collected AND the professionalism of those involved in the case. The MAGAts won't watch or won't believe a single shred of evidence. This is for the benefit of those who still know how to form a rational thought.
I highly doubt that one actually. It's going to be a political circus, and they're all about that. I wouldn't be surprised if they weave every single movement, twitch, fart, or whisper he does into part of their lunatic conspiracy theory ecosystem, post about it on shitter as memes, or both.
They will only see the clips that Faux News chooses to show them. Why watch a boring trial when you can tune in to your favorite talking head show to be told how you feel about the whole situation? You know, like a true free thinker!
Spot on!
"Trump is a clown but he won't be defending himself"
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I read this in the voice of Ruby Rhod.
I hope the writers are not on strike by then. Late night careers will be made from this.
Don't worry, Netflix is currently pushing the Depp vs Herd trial as worthy content. The writers have already finished the practice run.
I cancelled Netflix the day after they kicked my daughter off my account at the end of May. Have not missed it one bit.
Is this a new trend? like Johnny depp and Amber heard !? twitch ttv would melt if they added a 'court room' tab
No, big trials have pretty much always been televised
Just throw it under "IRL", nothing will go wrong trust me
The Pamela Smart effect
will the secret service have to guard him when he's in prison? Questions that keep me up at night lol
I've said this before but the obvious solution is to reopen Guantanamo and just leave him there.
He'll have to fend off the seagulls himself.
Guantanamo never closed
Alkatraz sounds cooler though.
No way am I going to let him ruin Alcatraz. That was the best audio tour I ever had and I don't want to have to hear him yelling bullshit over the headphones. They aren't noise-cancelling.
Seriously though, I highly recommend it if you're in San Francisco. You go through the building hearing testimonies from former prisoners and guards all while the sounds of the prison's various areas, whichever one you happen to be in, play in the background while you walk through it. It's amazingly immersive.
I concur. I'd recomment the evening tour if they still offer it.
It would be ironic to have him in prison in California.
My favorite option is have the government take over Mar-A-Lago. Trump stays in one room - which gets stripped to just the bare walls with a prison cot tossed in. Nobody else - except for Secret Service or support staff like janitors and cooks - are allowed in.
At mealtime, he's marched down the bare glass hallways to the empty dining area where he's served standard prison food. Then he's marched right back to his room. Let him rot as a shell of a man in the shell of the complex he loved so much.
We could call France's ambassador and ask if we could borrow Devil's Island...
Secret service bringing him cakes with metal files.
Trump is entitled to Secret Service protection for life. This is not only to prevent a former President, but also what's in his head.
It's already been pretty much established that if Trump goes to jail, the Secret Service protects him there as well. How that would work is a logistical nightmare that hasn't yet been sorted out, and is one of the reasons that judges haven't jailed him already -- its a can of worms that's going to have to be opened at some point, but nobody wants to be the one to have to open the can.
Can anybody explain why thats a logistical nightmare. Seems pretty simple to me: he's in a fucking jail cell in a secure building and the secret service protects him like they do in any other place; except easier because its a secure location.
Sure, he can't be in general population. But don't they have other inmates like that? Just do what they do then (I guess he gets a cell to himself; maybe gets his meals delivered).
I don't see why thats more than a minor paperwork glitch. Surely we've had inmates before that need to be reasonably protected from other inmates. Heck, I'll bet gitmo is ready to handle it.
if only they could prevent trump.
This is why they'll give him house arrest at best.
I'm thinking the Dept. of Corrections will have to build a facility just for Trump. It'll be like Spandau Prison in Germany, a prison with just one prisoner.
Maybe they'll repurpose a wing of a prison to be the Trump wing....
Let's just build him a tiny house in Northern Alaska that has no running water. He and his loyalist SS men who deleted all the texts can be stationed out there until he dies of old age 4 months later
I assume the most reasonable solution would be house arrest. It would be nice to see him in a jail cell, but that seems impossible.
Yes, they'll keep Trump very safe as he's making license plates!
Now I know what to stream on my second monitor while working. Reminds me of the Depp v. Heard. I got that shit playing on my second monitor non stop. I'm not much of a person who likes to bicker. But watching rich people fight each other warms some part of me.
The poor part of you?
Maybe, let's hope that warm feeling doesn't turn into hunger eh?
It popped up in my Netflix the other day. Is the series biased? The trailer gave me vibes that it would make Depp seem like a dickbag and amber like an angel.
Not that I have a side but I would rather not watch something that's obviously biased. I prefer hard facts.
My wife watched it and now thinks that depp is a dickbag so yeah probably
But Depp is a dickbag tho. But not a wife-beating dickbag.
It's more along the lines of how they were both assholes to each other. It definitely does not show amber as an angel.
how do they prevent disclosure of the jury?
They keep the camera pointed away from them. Are you too young for the OJ trial?
Just don't point the camera at the jury?
Or let them sit in a separate room
That would probably be best once Trump realises he can sabotage the whole trial with the use of his camera phone.
There's no way they're going to allow Trump (or anyone else for that matter) to bring in a cell phone.
And even if they do, do you honestly think that (a) Trump would know on his own how to record and stream video, or (b) he wouldn't be immediately tackled to the ground and the cell phone removed from his possession? I doubt he'd just be allowed to sit there and record the faces of the jury while the judge just sits there and says "Aw, shucks. I guess Trump got the better of us!"
Honestly, no. I don't think he can use one other than for tweeting nonsense. And the bird icon is gone now, so he can't even do that.
Couldn't members of the public do the same?
I will guarantee you, especially with everything surrounding this case and this defendant, that cell phones of any kind aren't going to even be allowed in the courtroom.
I wouldn't even be surprised if the jury was seated in a separate room, viewing the hearing from behind a one-way mirror, just to prevent anybody from randomly being able to visually identify and publish the names of any of the jurors.
I can't wait for all the what's actually behind the glass conspiracy theories.
you mean you don't believe the jury is lizards
If they're allowed in, then I assume so.
But they might actually face repercussions for doing so, while Trump feels little people laws are beneath him, and in fairness here, I've not seen a lot in the last 6 years or so that might prove him wrong on that.
Rich people rarely face consequences. Epstein ran a literal paedo island for 20 years, and it was (probably) only the blackmailing of even richer people that landed him in prison and "suicided".
Even with all these charges, I reckon the best we can hope for is Trump not being allowed to run the country again, and even then I suspect time and poor shape may take care of that so a judge doesn't have to.
Yes, but most of them don't have "rich and powerful white guy" near-total immunity from the "justice" system, so they wouldn't get away with jury tampering like their Mango Messiah has so far.
We are all the jury on this blessed day
They can follow it on tv from home
Oh are we pretending the magats aren't going to out them as soon as the trial begins?
On a side note, I GUARANTEE that Kenneth Chesebro was in a frat and that the others called him Kenny Cheese-Bro.
I bet they just called him Cheese.
Yo yo K-Cheese what is UP my man
Not Rich not George just Cheese.
I wonder if his lawyers will be as much of a train wreck as those that represented Amber Heard?
I got a feeling that Heard's lawyers will look like Harvard Law professors, compared to these folks.
Oh, I do hope so!
I watched the trial in full and found them to be decent. What did you not like?
Honestly didn't think there was ever going to be a trial more closely watched than OJ's. Guess he'll get the ratings he's always friggin obsessed with.
"I wish to have the greatest ratings of anyone ever!"
monkey's finger curls
private eye (uk satirical mag) had the caption:
"four more years!"
"how about twenty?"
I'd love to watch Trump try to run away in a 1994 Ford Bronco but I'm not sure he can drive.
Where's al cowlings when you need him?
Productivity is going to plummet. It’s gonna be fuckin LIT.
They interrupted my 8th grade art class to hear the OJ Simpson verdict. This is way bigger than that.
So the “lawyers” for this piece of shit will make their entire presentation Victim Theater for the legions of turd followers.
Bro you're fucked off you do fucked if you don't. It's public and important for the public to know so don't judge them to harshly for that at least.
Ding! Ding! Ding!
There goes my productivity for that month.
I like flying squids.
Do you usually swirl your appendages, or do you flap them?
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21428651-800-the-incredible-flying-squid/
Um, I don't even know what to say to that, except thankfully spiders don't fly yet (that I know of)..
I have bad news for your.
Well well, you have my upvote for giving me nightmares in the future.
N.B. This flying squid article is behind a pay wall.
What? No it isn't.
I'm sorry to confirm it, but it is locked for me, too.
Gonna have better ratings than the apprentice.
Sounds like free ads for google with public money
They are hosting it
It should be on twitch too. Could you imaging spamming KEKW whenever trump says something dumb or the judge having to read out twitch donations?
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They should do that. Give the donations to something that helps people.
Kino
And they say there's nothing good on TV anymore.
I for one welcome the schadenfreude.
Oh fuck yes.
Opiates for the masses
Don't hold your breath. The odds of this case being moved to federal court (where cameras are not allowed unless Roberts grows a soul) are not insignificant.
This is judicial corruption! It's a hand-out of free profits to YouTube!
(Not really serious, but ... shouldn't it be any media who want to cover it?)
Televised and streamed on YouTube.
Other media is covering it.
Excellent.
Streamed on youtube to then have Netflix steal that footage and make a "documentary" on it.
There's a Celebrity Apprentice joke in here somewhere.
Everybody grab your popcorn and settle in for the ensuing circus!
The Falseman Show
"I knew this show was fake from the start, it was my incredible acting that fooled everyone"