I feel like I've been gaslit into running FOSS but every success only brings me closer to fighting god
Reddit death > installing mint on my second PC > realising I can run most of the games I play and installing mint on my main PC > start learning Rust as a first foray into programming in a long time > realise I want to go back to uni and study info tech to get out of my shitty marketing job > get a shitty second hand laptop off my parents that struggles to run windows and install endeavourOS to try something different.
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
Haha you picked the worst time to try to break into tech.
I've got a pretty good mixture of qualifications and am working in a tech adjacent role so I'm not starting from nothing. I have some decent connections and might be able to carve out something at my current org. So it could be worse.
Sounds like luck is on your side.
We'll see in a year, lol
Nah, just not the best time. That was 1996. 2021 was pretty good too.
Besides some high profile layoffs, there are still tons of tech jobs out there in less visible industries. Widget factories and insurance companies all have IT people, along with every one else in general.
But probably the best time to switch to linux. So far.
Eh, it's not bad. Everywhere there's computers they'll need a computer janitor to keep them running. It's just not the insanity of 2021-2 where everyone needed techs and starting wages were rising rapidly
Why? No worse than any other job market right now. Sure Google layoffs get headlines but it's not like tech skill are getting any less employable across sectors. If anything those skills are more critical now than ever.
Sure, the skills are critical. But the tech industry is dysfunctional right now, and there are no signs of reform on the horizon. Anyone attempting to break into the industry is going to find it extremely difficult to get started without experience, as companies don't want to hire entry-level candidates anymore.
Even though there may be lots of high-pay, high-skill job openings, there is a dearth of true entry-level positions in IT that don't require existing work experience and advanced skills.
Good point. I can see that.
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
It ends when you open vim. There's no escape.
Having no escape is a very big problem if you want to use Vim...
Real heads ctrl-[
It never ends
The next step, you're handwriting a fixit code because said ancient one off laptop won't compile linux from scratch properly and some stupid piece of essential hardware is blocking your efforts to get to the shell first time.
Perhaps it ends when you're a kernel maintainer?
You still have yet to get through some pis, then a couple of OSX boxes, a Windows VM on proxmox or when you find something in particular you want that's easier in that direction. Then move into kubernetes.
You'll end up with a couple of everything living their best life.
Next you want to rewrite everything in Rust.
Watch out Boy! It's a dangerous drug; it's called Curiosity 🙂
realise I want to go back to uni and study info tech
I highly recommend it! College as an adult who's been in the workforce is way better than college as a kid fresh out of highschool. Great opportunity to make some more friends, do some cool college activities, plus there's lots of good opportunities for student pricing on stuff if you have a .edu email and its a brilliant change of pace.
My slippery slope started with buying an old laptop off my company and deciding to install Ubuntu on it. Now all of my devices run Linux, I switched to Android with a FOSS ROM, degoogled myself in almost every way, and I run Nextcloud on an old laptop. Feels great to really own my devices and data.
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
Given that you're learning Rust, probably getting programming socks and a Blahaj, and then...
It ends when you write an AI better at configuring Linux than you are, but is also very good at soothing your pride... The latter is the infamous "alignment problem"
I tried Ubuntu in college and people told me it was a phase... joke's on them.
queen behaviour
One of us! One of us!
Talk to your kids about Linux, before a stranger does.
Your post couldn't be more true. Decades ago I was sold on MythTV, this PVR software but it only ran on Linux and you had to compile it yourself. So I gave Linux and MythTV a shot. As it turned out, both MythTV and early desktop Linux were a buggy, frustrating mess. X broke all the time. Incomprehensible, ungoogleable compile errors all the time.
I spent so much time troubleshooting MythTV and compilation problems that I ended up learning Linux inside and out and the C programming language to be able understand the compile errors. I went on to lead a major open source project and have had a long career as a programmer, using all the knowledge I gained that started with fighting MythTV.
MythTV was an amazing nightmare.
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time...
what's the project you lead?
I don't want to dox myself so I'd rather not say, but it was some time ago and I'm no longer leading that project. I do still do development in the same field though!
what project
In 2018 I went to research why all the sites wanted my cookies so much, today I'm a free software adovocate and a Marxist
This is the way..?
That sounds kinda like my journey, although without the Marxist part.
Clueless about tech, bought an iMac
These ads are annoying. [Installs adblock Plus]. There. Except for fricking Taboola, they can DIAF. And the cookie popup banners. Why do they love cookies if they're not playing cookie clicker?
It's the MacOS Catalina Update!! It Thanos snapped my iPod music library. This taught me to avoid MacOS and realize that updates often just make things worse. Set up a dual boot with Windows.
I start browsing r/asshole_design too much. Teaches me to never trust a corporation. I also realize how phones keep dropping useful features. I finally realize uBlock origin blocks much more than ads.
Oh boy, this is where the rabbit hole starts. I'm sick of how slow my Mac is, addicted to discovering new cool apps on my phone, and discover FOSS. I install Linux for the first time, and it runs quite well on a laptop from 2009. Also YouTube goes full greed mode.
Get my new Windows gaming laptop, try to balance privacy with convenience. But I'm irked at how slow it is for some basic tasks. Everything is stable, except when the laptop's SSD borked.
Uh oh. Discord, YouTube, and Reddit all make massively greedy decisions, and I don't want to support those platforms anymore. I discover Lemmy. I try to focus extra hard on FOSS and donate $150 over the course of the year. I think this tells me I've became radicalized. Proprietary platforms keep getting worse and worse.
Linux resurgence. Tired of Windows, and one of my classes needs a UNIX terminal. Sounds like it's time to dual boot (on 2 SSDs), with Ubuntu being the default. Also I buy a year of Nebula to support creators and stick it to Google.
Maybe a bit random, but
Also I buy a year of Nebula to support creators and stick it to Google.
Would you recommend that? I also wanna quit/ reduce YouTube and enjoy learning new stuff while watching high quality content. Is it worth its money?
I'm currently broke and have to watch my finances, but I wouldn't mind spending a few bucks if it's something I enjoy.
You can get a promo for $30/yr. If you're broke, it's hard to recommend it as money is better spent on needs, but if you have some disposable income I'd say it's worth it. Many large creators upload their YT videos (sans sponsorship sections) to it and add bonus exclusive content, and it doesn't come with any ads.
Why stop at Ubuntu if you can try a new distro each month?
This is the way, quit your real job and focus on nothing but switching distros
Yeah seems to be the correct path, you just end up learning so much!
I'm in this comment and I don't know how to feel about it.
I am so happy that my parents didn't buy me a better laptop a decade ago, so I was forced to use a shitty thinkpad laptop. After reading online, I figured out that Linux makes it faster...
This is pretty cool. We really have moved over from Reddit, since we already have some of the niche communities. There are plenty of Linux users already, so it shouldn’t take long for people to start posting there.
I just made a post there
I guess there’s that beginner period when that should be allowed. I kind of wished it happened to me again, instead of daily driving boring Arch systems with no incentive to ever change.
Yeah when you're a beginner or when you get back into Linux you have like a grace period to reproduce a productive environment, then you're worried about changing too much in case it all breaks and goes wrong
Did this for a bit until i learned how to install arch and never looked back
I use arch btw
Wait until you try NixOS.
Nix stops you from hopping because it takes literal months to set everything up for a mortal.
I did try it on a second drive and was to stupid to understand the like config file where you specify your packages
There's a lot to explore after arch. We have Gentoo, NixOS, image-based distros like Silverblue. Swappable immutable core through ublue, leading you to bluefin or bazzite. Your journey is far from over
Nah i think it's pretty over... I have tried gentoo, nixos image based distros and all that. Even lfs. I'm quite comfortable with arch
I don't run Linux (though I'm admittedly more interested in it than I used to be) but the reddit API stuff definitely made me learn more about foss, and value it more.
If you’re already feeling some interests your gonna jump ship sooner or later. I made the switch last year and its been nothing short of amazing.
Steam, gog and epic games all work. Some run better then on windows, others require a tinker step.
You can run and install most exes, even pirated games using Lutrius.
Blazing fast. I have sm called hyprland sway and win11 feels like the stone age compared.
Best of all: COMPUTERS ARE FUN AGAIN
You learn so much but its intuitive enough you don't even notice.
its intuitive enough you don’t even notice
a bit much
COMPUTERS ARE FUN AGAIN
agreed
Interesting to know that steam, gog, and epic (specifically) all work well for you, I've heard mixed results with Epic, some say it doesn't work. Maybe I've gotten wrong info.
I have an older laptop, and as soon as I can upgrade to something better, I'm going to use it as a Linux practice.
I am using heroic launcher to play blazing sails on epic right now. I am on Arch, which I believe is a positive since the steam deck is arch based (i heard).
The escapist 2 i have not gotten to work properly though. It runs but with like 1fps. Apparently this is because epics implementation and it runs smooth with steam. Definitely test things on a game by game basis.
I do value FOSS sodtware and like linux for it being foss(there are many other reasons too though). I do think understanding importance of Free software is much important than admiring one of the(most important) free software projects. I can see yku usibg linux soon or later in the future, along with other free programs
I got pissed off at Google Photos, which led me down a self-hosting rabbit hole. Ended up installing Linux everywhere, even my "gaming" one eventually (I do development, and WSL was a resource hog).
The hardest thing to degoogle has been email - I've used the same address for years. But I use Thunderbird so at least I don't have to see ads in my fucking inbox
There are ads in Gmail?
I guess I've been using ad blockers for far too long...
Yes... They don't seem to show up in the primary tab, but they're there nonetheless. Nowhere is safe, and nothing is sacred.
If you're seeing ads, install an ad blocker. I haven't seen a Gmail ad in well over a decade.
I DO have an ad blocker. I still ended up seeing an ad, that one time. It might've been on mobile. Or I might have had my ad block turned off. Either way, I've gone out of my way to make sure I never see an ad in my email again. Used mobile devtools to uninstall the Gmail client, Firefox with uBlock add-on, etc...
Thry are also apparently using the tab configuration.
I quite like Proton mail it's secure and the interface is pretty damn good
I use them too, they have some good stuff, but are pretty behind in usability.
No Linux file sync client, making the drive pretty useless for me.
Android file sync is only bloody images for some reasons
The android proton Mail Mobile app is missing some features, like select all
You can't use any other app than the official one on android (If you don't use something special to access their server)
You need the proton bridge to be able to access their servers on regular computers. This only works for Mail, so no calendar or contacts sync. You can only host the proton bridge on localhost, meaning that automating SMTP for a server with containers or vms just isn't possible. Every host needs to run the damn bridge.(proper SMTP is apparently available for businesses)
Can't sync the contacts to my phone (only upload my contacts)
I just wish they did usability a bit better, it can't be so hard. There is probably more that I didn't think of right now. Don't get me wrong, they have big potential.
They do pgp (yay)
They offer hosting mail for your domain (just set DNS to their values, it just works and there haven't been any problems with that part.)
Pretty pro open source
Seems like the best alternative we can get to megacorp data stealer clouds, besides Selfhosting perhaps
I've never had any downtime, which is why I switched from Selfhosting Mail to proton
I'm sure they have much better security than my selfhosted mailcow
Yeah I feel the trade off is worth it plus the lack of third party app access weirdly just improves my trust in their security.
I see what you mean, but it still sucks.
Sucks for you don't mean sucks for everyone.
I mean, having more options would be good for everyone, no?
Maybe, however sometimes a strict set of rules is required to enforce a pleasant experience
May I recommend Proton Mail? I used gmail for years then decided to finally switch and it was easier than I thought, tho tbf I also don't have a lot of people who need to email me, it was mostly services where it's easier to tell them to switch over to the other mail.
EDIT: I read your later comment nvm
I'll have to check it out! Same here, mostly services on my end - but I've accumulated enough of them to make it tiresome. Still, I'll have to do it at some point
Related: does anyone here have any thoughts on Tutanota and how it compares to Proton Mail? I've considered using it in the future.
What are you using instead of Google Photos?
I'm the other way round, email was the first thing I degoogled. It's Photos I don't know how to replace.
sudo hostnamectl set-hostname SOMETHINGNORMAL
git clone https://github.com/popey/unsnap
cd unsnap
./unsnap
The first one will set the name behind the @ sign to something not that long. I recommend just usint "PC" for privacy reasons. Often nobody needs to know your device model.
The second one removes snaps and snapd and installs installed apps as flatpak instead. Flatpak is a universal format, similar to snap, came out a bit later but not only Ubuntu uses it. Snap also works on multiple Distros but people dont like it, it is still slow (now just slowing down boot) etc.
perfect demonstration of culture sharing for a newbie. Like advising them to always trust commands they find online without even explaining them what each command does!
It's a good way to get comfortable with reinstalling your os!
Free security pentest!
Right, added an explanation
What hostnames do people use? I'm tired of (and bad at) naming all my devices, I just tend to leave default as op, at least I can tell them apart easily
I have NekkoDesktop, NekkoLaptop, NekkoLaptopJr (new laptop) and NekkoServer :) (Phones are just Nekko with release being S9 and S21 for Samsung or G6 for LG)
I do it similarly
I use names from FFXIV.
For my work-related VMs, raid bosses. It makes it easy to spot my VMs because nobody sane would name them stuff like Erichthonios or Hippokampos. Unfortunately I had to draw the line at 724P-Operated Superior Flight Unit A-lpha.
For my home server VMs/CTs, I use the names of the gods - Byregot, Rhalgr, Azeyma, etc. and Eulogia for Proxmox itself.
Wow that's so much more fun than naming everything home or vm or work
You could also name them so everyone can identify what they are at a glance instead.
desktop, laptop, server. Lame but always clear.
i use a surface pro 6, so i use "surface" as my hostname
it was running arch+gnome
i tried endeavouros+kde (because i used to use the sway version of it on my dell and liked it) but didn't like it
now it's running arch+kde
I name them after fictional robots/AI
PC is Deep Thought, laptop is Wheatley, phone K9 in etc
my old desktop was named George, inspired by the word "GeForce" on the gpu. my new one is Leo, mostly because I just like that name, but also because it's my first desktop built for linux. My first server was Bertha bc its physical size was a lot bigger than I expected and I had to find a new place to store it, and my newest server is even bigger so I named it Marge. My clunky old 16" laptop from 2010 is named Mondo.
PC. Privacy reasons
My PC is just arch Linux and my laptop is computer
I use work for work machine, and home for home
I use LoL champs, there's at least one for every letter of the alphabet
Similar to other people:
laptop-56
phone-56
server-56 (or the actual domain name...)
...palmtop-56 (I'm not sure if that's actually possible)
I like the look of all-lowercase hyphenated words. And "56" is a conveniently short identifier I use for myself.
charlemagne for my desktop, and invictus for my laptop - no particular theme, just liked the names lol
My servers however previously used gods from Greek mythology though, as controversial as that apparently was (?)...
(To be fair, I think the controversy was regarding doing that in a professional / enterprise environment of which I am definitely not in)
I originally thought people will be confused by gnome, but my wife picked it up almost instantly, and has been pretty happy with it (except the lack of MS office, but there is nothing that can be done in that regard).
You have been assimilated, resistance was futile.
Seriously, though, I'm glad you're with us. The more people we get to embrace alternative approaches, the more viable the open standards will be.
Fuck did we all go down the exact same pipeline? I just installed Linux last week and I haven't booted up windows since.
No. Some of us were already there.
Lifetime Microsoft expert here, I have had machines with Linux in one flavour or another for 15+ years at least.
But for ease of use I just keep coming back to Windows... Because I know it backwards and upside down.
The structure of it makes sense to me. And I have ADHD so I have a terrible working memory and Linux relies FAR too much on command console to do anything effective.
But Linux is hands-down the better system to get away from Microsoft's enshitification of Windows. But I personally like Windows better.
So I will always run both. But if I need to be really productive, Windows Desktop it is.
If I need a server, Linux every time. (Unless it's MS SQL or a website).
Did the same thing in November with MX Linux. Haven't needed to boot into Windows once.
How is mxlinux? Never used it.
I like it, but I'm not exactly a power user and the only other distros I've used are Ubuntu and mint. I think if you want a Debian based distro that's not tied to Ubuntu then Mx is a good choice. I know there's LMDE too but as far as I know that's only available with cinnamon, so Mx having KDE plasma is nice too.
There's the whole sysvinit Vs systemd but I don't have a dog in that fight and enabled systemd, which Mx makes very easy even though they advise against it.
Welcome to the light side
Welcome to the real world Neo. Don't take the pill with 777 permissions btw.
dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1k count=128 of=anarchy
chmod 777 anarchy
./anarchy
find / -print0 | while file= read -r -d '' line; do chmod $(($RANDOM % 777)) $file; done
True anarchy
If you ever get bored of Ubuntu.
You could try fedora kde, the recent versions are so good.
Don't forget to install codecs though.
That's exactly what I did haha, started with Kubuntu and moved to Fedora
I run Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop machines but I'm seriously considering switching to Debian (which I run on my server). Any reason I wouldn't want to do that on my desktop or laptop?
(Previously I ran Slackware on everything, so both of them feel like gliding softly on a cloud to me.)
There’s no reason. I switched to Debian after leaving Slackware around the reiser4 time. It’s real good.
Yeah it seems to work very well on my server. I've always just wondered why I don't see more people recommending it when they're switching from Ubuntu/Kubuntu. From what I've seen on the server (which I mostly access remotely), it seems decent.
It’s not cool. It means you have gray hairs. The packages are old by default.
Well I do have some gray hairs, so no issue there...
You probably will not notice that you are in other distro when you start using Debian. They are the same in most things, but without Snaps and most propietary stuff (by default. But if you really need propietary things, you may see the official non-free sourcelist)
Thanks. I often wonder why I don't see people recommending Debian as a potential destination from Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Why not go to the Free source?
I really do not know. But what I can say for sure is that during the installation of Debian, it allows you to choose the desktop environment at installation time, so you can have your Debian with KDE at minute 0 after installing it.
On the other hand, remember that Kubuntu is derived from Ubuntu. I don't see Ubuntu fans very enthusiastic about creating another Debian-based distro with KDE preinstalled when they even offer it (live images) to you here.
Weird. I've been trying to find a distro I'm happy with and was setting Fedora KDE up today. Ran though my bookmarks and found no videos played on Twitch. Had to install codecs to get it to work. I hadn't seen this in previous distros. Is this specific to Fedora? Other than this hiccup I've enjoyed it so far.
I liked how straight forward Linux Mint is but prefer KDE Plasma. Plus Mint seems quite far behind in versions.
In their gnome version, during the setup process (first boot, not install), they would prompt for third-party repo and codec (Enabled by default, IIRC).
I think you might have unchecked that? or KDE not offering such experience?
EDIT: NVM, I just checked, and I have never installed the codecs... LOL.
Fedora is notorious for avoiding shipping proprietary software with their distro even at the cost of new users.
I think this might stems from the fact that fedora used to be a distro aimed for advanced users. It is slowly getting better at being new user friendly.
I wonder if it is notorious?
Do most Linux users (in this context we'll say people who specifically choose to use Linux and by extension chose a specific distribution) look unfavorably on proprietary software being excluded by default?
For me, I prefer it so I don't see it that way. But it is also an extra step and an annoyance if you want things to "just work". Which is an understandable position.
Food for thought, I guess.
I'd like it if they weren't necessary and everything was AV1, then I would be alright with the codecs being omitted by default without any simple way to install them.
Similarly with the NVIDIA proprietary driver, NVIDIA actually recommend installing the driver through the package provided through your distro on thier download page
It is definitely not, at least for me when I switched to Linux.
I noticed weird issues while watching a video through VLC, posted about it on Reddit and someone suggested that I had not installed the codecs.
Yeah, I don't recall seeing that and installed it about four times.
Haha the pain of finding out...
Didn't you notice the decreased quality?
Yeah, I was wondering why I have desync issues couple days ago watching videos with my wife.
Modern YouTube videos are generally fine, but many other site has poor support for popular codecs.
You could try fedora kde
I love me some Fedora with KDE, and looking forward to the next major version of KDE.
Yeah those codecs always get you.
Save the pain and install Nobara.
Save the pain and install Nobara.
I mean, it's one dropdown/checkbox click, to enable codecs sources. I get your point though, having to remember to enable that.
I'd used Nobara if I knew it was being supported by more than just one (great/special; I'm aware of his contribution to gaming on Linux) guy (please correct me if this is no longer the case?), since it would be installed on my daily driver box, and it's important for me to have a high level of reliability, even though I do more gaming tasks than non-gaming tasks on it.
I'm aware that Nobara is based from Fedora, but am nervous about having a single point of failure, support wise.
I started this way today but kept coming up with an error with rsync during install. I tried in Virtual Box and had the same error. I gave up and just installed Fedora in the end.
No clue what rsync would be doing. Maybe there's an issue with the current ISO, but I've installed it on a few systems in the last couple months with no issues.
How do I install codecs? I'm running Ubuntu and I don't have the option to encode in H.265, which I could do on Windows.
I fas as I am aware, Ubuntu ships codecs by default.
Fedora does not ship proprietary software due to license issues.
*This is just what I know, you should fact check both.
Oh friend-… I’m on the other side. 8 years on T 💪💉. But yes. We’re all queer.
I was told that linux doesn't work on the Spectrum oO
On Lemmy it exclusively works on the spectrum.
I was referring to the spectrum computer, which can't run Linux. It wasn't about people on the Spectrum, which are probably all of us, in some fashion?
It's the path of many of us here, now you will hate linux if you come from windows, give it a couple of months and you'll ask yourself how the fuck you could be on windows till now.
Welcome to the community! If you need any help you have the Ubuntu forums and Lemmy because fuck Reddit
Wait and see you distrohopping every month for years ending up in a boring stable distro.
Welcome to the club. Your lan port is over there. (Insert broadcom chip joke here)
One of us! One of us
Same. I didn't know what a distribution was 8 months ago, now most of my feeds are Linux distro tier list video.
Same thing happened to me. Moved to pop!_os.I have zero regrets. I've learned a ton. I use tons of apps off f-droid and foss Ubuntu apps. I have degoogled most of my life. I'm also developing an Firefox addon for lemmy. It's usable as a user script addon now. It's called lemmytools. It's my small contribution. All because Reddit got stupid. I don't even browse reddit for answers usually about tech/programming stuff anymore because they block my VPN.
There are literally dozens of us! I'm running Zorin. The Reddit debacle really hit home for me that free alternatives to commercial projects work best when everyone pitches in a little.
it really is comforting to know you can do 99% of stuff you want with PCs without a license from Microsoft. FOSS has its own headaches but at least you don't have to wade through a PR swamp to fix stupid bugs
Congrats! Your laptop will be even happier with a lighter but still nice-looking desktop environment like Xfce and you even have an Ubuntu flavor around it: Xubuntu.
I can be swayed easily! I’ll throw it on the list!
Xubuntu is still too heavy, you have to strip it further and go for Lubuntu. Nothing like a 400 MB idle memory load on the desktop
My xubuntu is at 380MB idling on the desktop. Also, thanks for making me check. I should probably disable snapd.
I've had sub 200s with Lubuntu before
No doubt, indeed. Just pointing out 400 is not unreasonable for xfce.
Agreed. Additionally, Lubutnu felt a lot more responsive than Linux Lite (XFCE Ubuntu based distro)
I'd recommend Linux Mint with the XFCE desktop over Xubuntu, because they're mostly the same thing but Mint doesn't use Snap packages by default while Ubuntu does and Mint is better suited for desktop usage due to their various nice little config tools.
Welcome. I just started using linux recently myself and have been loving it. I would Definitely recommend checking out all the desktop environments to see what works best for you! I've done a bit of shopping and I think I've landed on KDE, myself.
Good luck with the transition!
It's a good reminder of how influenced we are by our surroundings, even when we try to be aware of the effect. Or maybe especially when we try to be aware.
I was staying strong until I saw they were already sundowning windows 10. 10! They just came out with that shit. I have no intention of upgrading to the latest advertising package.
….windows 10 came out in 2015. I wouldn’t say it just came out, 8 and a half years ago. Thats a pretty good run for a retail OS. There was only 5 between the release of 3.0 and 95.
My big gripe with 11 was that it seemed like MS was going to go away from major releases and go to something somewhat closer to a rolling release model. My big gripe with 10 was all the telemetry.
It’s actually pretty telling that from “insert installation media” to “working web browser”, just about any Linux distro is a faster, easier, and less demanding installation experience than 10 or 11.
Haha, fair enough. I seem to have lost track of the years somewhere in there.
It happened to me too.
I started using Linux more last year due to work, so the exodus from Reddit to FOSS land has been perfectly timed for me. I think I have 4 different distros in VMs right now.
I don't understand this topic. What are you trying to say?
I think OP is trying to say:
There was the Reddit API catastrophe
That led him to lemmy/ActivityPub
Which gave him exposure to Linux
Which he used to give Linux a shot
And he seems to be having a great time with LInux
Okay, thanks for clarification. really didn't get it. :D
The reddit api blocking 3rd party apps pushed a whole bunch of people onto lemmy, and lemmy is very big on FOSS and Linux so it's been a gateway of sorts
Day 1: "What is this place?"
Day 3: "Do you have a moment to hear the wonders of Fdroid?"
Lemmy pushed me towards f droid
I've been a linux user since 2006. But I'm not a computer guy, it was just my OS really. I haven't done serious computer work it what feels like decades. Two days on Lemmy and I'm thinking selfhosting a smarthome could be for me. Things are so wonderful now.
PS:
Auch mag ich Kühe. Sie sehen wie Landcarten aus.
Ok, that's about the most complex sentence I can make. I wish I stuck with learning German.
It's called "Landkarten" :) but for the rest this sentence is completely correct.
I am a Linux user for about 1.5-2 years and I really like doing technical stuff. The next thing I really have to do is figure out how to install Stable diffusion on Arch Linux. That stuff isn't that straight forward. All guides I found didn't work.
German Ks make so much damn sense. Why do I keep screwing them up?
In this case, it was that "cartographer" is a cognate.
Try to browse Lemmy without finding anything about Linux 😅
Not to mention, Reddit's assault was followed by seemingly every tech company looking on and saying "hold my beer"
I've always been wary of the ability of tech companies to pull the plug of services on a whim, but holy shit did 2023 bring that way up the priority list
now to get a chromebook with coreboot to really stick it to the anti FOSS demons
Just a passer-by: why a chromebook? Is their hardware less reliant on proprietary software?
Depends on which one but some are easier to install coreboot on
the Chrultrabook project is what youll wanna look into, but basically yes. You can reliably get new-ish hardware very cheaply and flash FOSS stuff like Coreboot onto it.
No idea why tbh. The equivalent laptops outside of ChromeOS' ecosystem are usually much more locked down, to the point where the most powerful systems you'll find being able to run Coreboot are decades-old thinkpads on 3rd gen mobile i5 and Kepler mGPUs.
I have a chromebook how do i convert
chultrabook discord
Got a link?
is it x86 based? what's the board name?
Model is n16p1 - acer
14 CB3-431
your board is edgar, wp screw, see more infos on mrchromebox
I’ve done everything and my roadblock is finding compatible images hahaha
I gave one step more to achieve the holy sanctity of FOSS hardware I bought a Thinkpad and flashed Libreboot in it. Waiting for the bless of Saint iGNUcius
same here - downloaded Pop_OS yesterday, just have to make space on my overflowing harddrives
I also started with LTS assuming they would be more usable, but the extremely outdated package have later driven me away from linux for a while.
Now I realize I can just run normal Ubuntu to get reasonably up-to-date packages. But I like the latest (non-graphical) software that is offered by fedora.
Penguin party :)
Penguin and GNU party, don't forget
Agreed. Happy GNU year ! btw.
Lol, saaaaaame! I've run plenty of Linux servers over the past 30 years with only occasional attempts at desktop Linux, but never got it to graduate past a secondary box or dual-boot. All of the happy Linux desktop users I've run across on Lemmy convinced me to give it another go. I tried Ubuntu for a month under the mistaken assumption that it was still a relevant, stable, easy distro (10-15 years ago, it was the distro to use if you just wanted a no-fuss Linux desktop). Snaps made me want to end myself, but not quite give up on Linux altogether, so I pivoted and now I'm on month 3 of happily maining Arch!
Success
Welcome! Don't be surprised if you feel the need to try out all the distros!
Also, don't be surprised if that urge never goes away. :-D
Boy that escalated quickly
there is no god here
the best timeline of events
Speak for yourself, I first got on Lemmy to promote a movie, and the next thing I know, I was using Arch (BTW) and moderating an Android community.
I'm still not quite sure how that happened. This place.
You're so damn confident with every comment that I am constantly struggling not to believe you're actually Margot Robbie.
Nice wallpaper. I like space. Space is cool.
If you like ubuntu and you want to remove amazon and junk that ubuntu has you can go to debian. But in the future, just familarize yourself with everything first
or a Pop!/Mint/Neon ;^}
familarize yourself with everything first
dry humor i hope
That wallpaper is giving me Elite Dangerous vibes. Do you play?
I’m more like an Animal Crossing kinda guy 😅 I just wanted to fit in with all the space gals n pals.
Welcome, and enjoy. Be proud.
Google EOL'd my beloved Asus C302 Chromebook, and now it runs Fedora with KDE. I'm super happy with it ❤️
Now tentatively working on turning my 2009 Mac Mini into a Fedora server/homelab.
So far it's running Fedora desktop/KDE, and I'm slowly trying to figure out how to get Docker to work so I can run stuff like Audiobookshelf. If I manage to get it working, I'll try going full Fedora Server instead of the desktop version.
This is the biggest reason for me; old hardware.
Wanna try and kill my 8 year old laptop by refusing to support it? Fine. Lubuntu.
There's so much waste everywhere, let alone in tech. Being able to both "recycle" old hardware, and find legitimate use for it, should be celebrated.
Now if only I knew what to do about my old phones ... I'm pretty good at making them last, so my older ones are very old, and I can't think of anything useful for them to do that whatever phone I currently have doesn't do much better 🤔
use revolt or at least webcord or some other discord frontend
Does audio streaming work via webcord?
yeah and if it didnt just modify settings in flatseal
Now see if "programming socks" do anything for you.
So I wasn't the only one. Nice.
lol welcome! Enjoy your time on the Linux side
Nice! Congratulations!
I think I see NixOS in your future. ;)
Isn't nix mostly for multi-system install?
I did the nix thing a few years ago, spent a month on the config, and then never needed it again. Personally, I don't see a use-case for single desktop installation ;)
I use multiple systems and even I feel NixOS is overkill, especially with their confusing and sometimes incomplete documentation.
On the other hand, Nix the package manager has been fantastic - especially if you're on an immutable OS, or running some ancient "stable" distro - you can get all the packages you want, without breaking your system - and no need to learn the Nix language and write convoluted config files.
I'm running nix on my PC turned server, and there's definitely a lot of advantages...I highly recommend it for people who can pick up languages easily and prefer fixing a problem once by brute force trial and error.
Doing easy things is much harder, but doing hard things can be laughably easy
I probably wouldn't pick it as-is for my primary PC, but for a server? Amazing.
Reddit death > installing mint on my second PC > realising I can run most of the games I play and installing mint on my main PC > start learning Rust as a first foray into programming in a long time > realise I want to go back to uni and study info tech to get out of my shitty marketing job > get a shitty second hand laptop off my parents that struggles to run windows and install endeavourOS to try something different.
It really is a slippery slope. When does it end???
I'm afraid it's terminal.
it's a shell of a drug...
A terminal addiction
would you like to try some fish?
Weary traveler...
I'm afraid it's Emacs...
My doctor gave me four months to live.
Haha you picked the worst time to try to break into tech.
I've got a pretty good mixture of qualifications and am working in a tech adjacent role so I'm not starting from nothing. I have some decent connections and might be able to carve out something at my current org. So it could be worse.
Sounds like luck is on your side.
We'll see in a year, lol
Nah, just not the best time. That was 1996. 2021 was pretty good too.
Besides some high profile layoffs, there are still tons of tech jobs out there in less visible industries. Widget factories and insurance companies all have IT people, along with every one else in general.
But probably the best time to switch to linux. So far.
Eh, it's not bad. Everywhere there's computers they'll need a computer janitor to keep them running. It's just not the insanity of 2021-2 where everyone needed techs and starting wages were rising rapidly
Why? No worse than any other job market right now. Sure Google layoffs get headlines but it's not like tech skill are getting any less employable across sectors. If anything those skills are more critical now than ever.
Sure, the skills are critical. But the tech industry is dysfunctional right now, and there are no signs of reform on the horizon. Anyone attempting to break into the industry is going to find it extremely difficult to get started without experience, as companies don't want to hire entry-level candidates anymore.
Even though there may be lots of high-pay, high-skill job openings, there is a dearth of true entry-level positions in IT that don't require existing work experience and advanced skills.
Good point. I can see that.
It ends when you open vim. There's no escape.
Having no escape is a very big problem if you want to use Vim...
Real heads ctrl-[
It never ends
The next step, you're handwriting a fixit code because said ancient one off laptop won't compile linux from scratch properly and some stupid piece of essential hardware is blocking your efforts to get to the shell first time.
Perhaps it ends when you're a kernel maintainer?
You still have yet to get through some pis, then a couple of OSX boxes, a Windows VM on proxmox or when you find something in particular you want that's easier in that direction. Then move into kubernetes.
You'll end up with a couple of everything living their best life.
Next you want to rewrite everything in Rust.
Watch out Boy! It's a dangerous drug; it's called Curiosity 🙂
I highly recommend it! College as an adult who's been in the workforce is way better than college as a kid fresh out of highschool. Great opportunity to make some more friends, do some cool college activities, plus there's lots of good opportunities for student pricing on stuff if you have a .edu email and its a brilliant change of pace.
My slippery slope started with buying an old laptop off my company and deciding to install Ubuntu on it. Now all of my devices run Linux, I switched to Android with a FOSS ROM, degoogled myself in almost every way, and I run Nextcloud on an old laptop. Feels great to really own my devices and data.
Given that you're learning Rust, probably getting programming socks and a Blahaj, and then...
It ends when you write an AI better at configuring Linux than you are, but is also very good at soothing your pride... The latter is the infamous "alignment problem"
What else would we be making it for?
Do it. Go back to school.
I already ran Linux when the API blew up but now I'm a girl..
Might be a Linux thing, though.
Beware of the pipeline
windows -> LMDE -> Fedora KDE -> Arch Linux -> Gentoo
LFS feels like the next logical step in that progression.
Gentoo -> Linux From Scratch -> Kernel From Scratch
Windows 98 > Windows XP > Ubuntu > Fedora > Ubuntu > Arch.
Windows -> Linux Mint -> Debian -> Arch -> Kinoite
!unixsocks@lemmy.blahaj.zone
I'm totally posting there tonight!
Linux gals are best gals
Lmfao
I tried Ubuntu in college and people told me it was a phase... joke's on them.
queen behaviour
One of us! One of us!
Talk to your kids about Linux, before a stranger does.
Your post couldn't be more true. Decades ago I was sold on MythTV, this PVR software but it only ran on Linux and you had to compile it yourself. So I gave Linux and MythTV a shot. As it turned out, both MythTV and early desktop Linux were a buggy, frustrating mess. X broke all the time. Incomprehensible, ungoogleable compile errors all the time.
I spent so much time troubleshooting MythTV and compilation problems that I ended up learning Linux inside and out and the C programming language to be able understand the compile errors. I went on to lead a major open source project and have had a long career as a programmer, using all the knowledge I gained that started with fighting MythTV.
MythTV was an amazing nightmare.
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time...
what's the project you lead?
I don't want to dox myself so I'd rather not say, but it was some time ago and I'm no longer leading that project. I do still do development in the same field though!
what project
In 2018 I went to research why all the sites wanted my cookies so much, today I'm a free software adovocate and a Marxist
This is the way..?
That sounds kinda like my journey, although without the Marxist part.
Maybe a bit random, but
Would you recommend that? I also wanna quit/ reduce YouTube and enjoy learning new stuff while watching high quality content. Is it worth its money? I'm currently broke and have to watch my finances, but I wouldn't mind spending a few bucks if it's something I enjoy.
You can get a promo for $30/yr. If you're broke, it's hard to recommend it as money is better spent on needs, but if you have some disposable income I'd say it's worth it. Many large creators upload their YT videos (sans sponsorship sections) to it and add bonus exclusive content, and it doesn't come with any ads.
Why stop at Ubuntu if you can try a new distro each month?
This is the way, quit your real job and focus on nothing but switching distros
Then find sysadmin/devops/sre/younameit job 😅
Newbie here but wouldn't it be
?
fuck I can't believe I've done this
Yeah seems to be the correct path, you just end up learning so much!
I'm in this comment and I don't know how to feel about it.
I am so happy that my parents didn't buy me a better laptop a decade ago, so I was forced to use a shitty thinkpad laptop. After reading online, I figured out that Linux makes it faster...
What's your story? :)
Has anyone made c/distroHopping yet?
!distrohopping@lemmy.world - no posts yet though.
This is pretty cool. We really have moved over from Reddit, since we already have some of the niche communities. There are plenty of Linux users already, so it shouldn’t take long for people to start posting there.
I just made a post there
I guess there’s that beginner period when that should be allowed. I kind of wished it happened to me again, instead of daily driving boring Arch systems with no incentive to ever change.
Yeah when you're a beginner or when you get back into Linux you have like a grace period to reproduce a productive environment, then you're worried about changing too much in case it all breaks and goes wrong
Did this for a bit until i learned how to install arch and never looked back
I use arch btwWait until you try NixOS.
Nix stops you from hopping because it takes literal months to set everything up for a mortal.
I did try it on a second drive and was to stupid to understand the like config file where you specify your packages
There's a lot to explore after arch. We have Gentoo, NixOS, image-based distros like Silverblue. Swappable immutable core through ublue, leading you to bluefin or bazzite. Your journey is far from over
Nah i think it's pretty over... I have tried gentoo, nixos image based distros and all that. Even lfs. I'm quite comfortable with arch
I don't run Linux (though I'm admittedly more interested in it than I used to be) but the reddit API stuff definitely made me learn more about foss, and value it more.
If you’re already feeling some interests your gonna jump ship sooner or later. I made the switch last year and its been nothing short of amazing.
Steam, gog and epic games all work. Some run better then on windows, others require a tinker step.
You can run and install most exes, even pirated games using Lutrius.
Blazing fast. I have sm called hyprland sway and win11 feels like the stone age compared.
Best of all: COMPUTERS ARE FUN AGAIN You learn so much but its intuitive enough you don't even notice.
a bit much
agreed
Interesting to know that steam, gog, and epic (specifically) all work well for you, I've heard mixed results with Epic, some say it doesn't work. Maybe I've gotten wrong info.
I have an older laptop, and as soon as I can upgrade to something better, I'm going to use it as a Linux practice.
I am using heroic launcher to play blazing sails on epic right now. I am on Arch, which I believe is a positive since the steam deck is arch based (i heard).
The escapist 2 i have not gotten to work properly though. It runs but with like 1fps. Apparently this is because epics implementation and it runs smooth with steam. Definitely test things on a game by game basis.
I do value FOSS sodtware and like linux for it being foss(there are many other reasons too though). I do think understanding importance of Free software is much important than admiring one of the(most important) free software projects. I can see yku usibg linux soon or later in the future, along with other free programs
I got pissed off at Google Photos, which led me down a self-hosting rabbit hole. Ended up installing Linux everywhere, even my "gaming" one eventually (I do development, and WSL was a resource hog).
The hardest thing to degoogle has been email - I've used the same address for years. But I use Thunderbird so at least I don't have to see ads in my fucking inbox
There are ads in Gmail?
I guess I've been using ad blockers for far too long...
Yes... They don't seem to show up in the primary tab, but they're there nonetheless. Nowhere is safe, and nothing is sacred.
If you're seeing ads, install an ad blocker. I haven't seen a Gmail ad in well over a decade.
I DO have an ad blocker. I still ended up seeing an ad, that one time. It might've been on mobile. Or I might have had my ad block turned off. Either way, I've gone out of my way to make sure I never see an ad in my email again. Used mobile devtools to uninstall the Gmail client, Firefox with uBlock add-on, etc...
Thry are also apparently using the tab configuration.
I quite like Proton mail it's secure and the interface is pretty damn good
I use them too, they have some good stuff, but are pretty behind in usability.
I just wish they did usability a bit better, it can't be so hard. There is probably more that I didn't think of right now. Don't get me wrong, they have big potential.
Yeah I feel the trade off is worth it plus the lack of third party app access weirdly just improves my trust in their security.
I see what you mean, but it still sucks.
Sucks for you don't mean sucks for everyone.
I mean, having more options would be good for everyone, no?
Maybe, however sometimes a strict set of rules is required to enforce a pleasant experience
May I recommend Proton Mail? I used gmail for years then decided to finally switch and it was easier than I thought, tho tbf I also don't have a lot of people who need to email me, it was mostly services where it's easier to tell them to switch over to the other mail.
EDIT: I read your later comment nvm
I'll have to check it out! Same here, mostly services on my end - but I've accumulated enough of them to make it tiresome. Still, I'll have to do it at some point
Related: does anyone here have any thoughts on Tutanota and how it compares to Proton Mail? I've considered using it in the future.
What are you using instead of Google Photos?
I'm the other way round, email was the first thing I degoogled. It's Photos I don't know how to replace.
Immich
"The project is under very active development. Expect bugs and changes. Do not use it as the only way to store your photos and videos!"
I'm aware :) really, anyone that backs up anything at all shouldn't be using ONE THING for backups.
Personally, I use it to "sync" photos from my phone to my computer. I run nightly backups via a cron script.
Still, can't say I've had any issues so far
ente.io is OK.
You could switch to proton mail and synchronize the gmail account to proton, saves the hassle 👍
Yes, FOSS will allow you to fight God.
But you will have to assemble him first.
If we are in a simulation it means God is the ascended version of a gigantic Linux server
sudo mkdir /dev/heaven
sudo mkdir /dev/earth
sudo chmod o+rx /dev/earth
sudo systemctl start light.service
(/s, just trying to troll some systemd haters)
fight or find?
I guess you'd need to find him first if you want to fight him? I think TempleOS is also FOSS in case you want to find god without fighting him.
ONE OF US
ONE OF US
NASA already killed god in 2011
Hell yeah! Good news all around!
Literally
They had it coming!
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
They had it coming!
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
The first one will set the name behind the
@sign to something not that long. I recommend just usint "PC" for privacy reasons. Often nobody needs to know your device model.The second one removes snaps and snapd and installs installed apps as flatpak instead. Flatpak is a universal format, similar to snap, came out a bit later but not only Ubuntu uses it. Snap also works on multiple Distros but people dont like it, it is still slow (now just slowing down boot) etc.
perfect demonstration of culture sharing for a newbie. Like advising them to always trust commands they find online without even explaining them what each command does!
It's a good way to get comfortable with reinstalling your os!
Free security pentest!
Right, added an explanation
What hostnames do people use? I'm tired of (and bad at) naming all my devices, I just tend to leave default as op, at least I can tell them apart easily
I have
NekkoDesktop,NekkoLaptop,NekkoLaptopJr(new laptop) andNekkoServer:) (Phones are justNekkowith release being S9 and S21 for Samsung or G6 for LG)I do it similarly
I use names from FFXIV.
For my work-related VMs, raid bosses. It makes it easy to spot my VMs because nobody sane would name them stuff like Erichthonios or Hippokampos. Unfortunately I had to draw the line at 724P-Operated Superior Flight Unit A-lpha.
For my home server VMs/CTs, I use the names of the gods - Byregot, Rhalgr, Azeyma, etc. and Eulogia for Proxmox itself.
Wow that's so much more fun than naming everything home or vm or work
You could also name them so everyone can identify what they are at a glance instead.
desktop, laptop, server. Lame but always clear.
i use a surface pro 6, so i use "surface" as my hostname
it was running arch+gnome
i tried endeavouros+kde (because i used to use the sway version of it on my dell and liked it) but didn't like it
now it's running arch+kde
I name them after fictional robots/AI
PC is Deep Thought, laptop is Wheatley, phone K9 in etc
Culture ship names. https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_spacecraft
I go with a UUID so I never duplicate. 🤪
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_unique_identifier
Moons of Jupiter.
my old desktop was named George, inspired by the word "GeForce" on the gpu. my new one is Leo, mostly because I just like that name, but also because it's my first desktop built for linux. My first server was Bertha bc its physical size was a lot bigger than I expected and I had to find a new place to store it, and my newest server is even bigger so I named it Marge. My clunky old 16" laptop from 2010 is named Mondo.
PC. Privacy reasons
My PC is just arch Linux and my laptop is computer
I use
workfor work machine, andhomefor homeI use LoL champs, there's at least one for every letter of the alphabet
Similar to other people:
laptop-56
phone-56
server-56 (or the actual domain name...)
...palmtop-56 (I'm not sure if that's actually possible)
I like the look of all-lowercase hyphenated words. And "56" is a conveniently short identifier I use for myself.
charlemagnefor my desktop, andinvictusfor my laptop - no particular theme, just liked the names lolMy servers however previously used gods from Greek mythology though, as controversial as that apparently was (?)...
(To be fair, I think the controversy was regarding doing that in a professional / enterprise environment of which I am definitely not in)
Ubuntu-debullshit is also pretty good.
I originally thought people will be confused by gnome, but my wife picked it up almost instantly, and has been pretty happy with it (except the lack of MS office, but there is nothing that can be done in that regard).
You have been assimilated, resistance was futile.
Seriously, though, I'm glad you're with us. The more people we get to embrace alternative approaches, the more viable the open standards will be.
Fuck did we all go down the exact same pipeline? I just installed Linux last week and I haven't booted up windows since.
No. Some of us were already there.
Lifetime Microsoft expert here, I have had machines with Linux in one flavour or another for 15+ years at least.
But for ease of use I just keep coming back to Windows... Because I know it backwards and upside down.
The structure of it makes sense to me. And I have ADHD so I have a terrible working memory and Linux relies FAR too much on command console to do anything effective.
But Linux is hands-down the better system to get away from Microsoft's enshitification of Windows. But I personally like Windows better.
So I will always run both. But if I need to be really productive, Windows Desktop it is. If I need a server, Linux every time. (Unless it's MS SQL or a website).
Did the same thing in November with MX Linux. Haven't needed to boot into Windows once.
How is mxlinux? Never used it.
I like it, but I'm not exactly a power user and the only other distros I've used are Ubuntu and mint. I think if you want a Debian based distro that's not tied to Ubuntu then Mx is a good choice. I know there's LMDE too but as far as I know that's only available with cinnamon, so Mx having KDE plasma is nice too.
There's the whole sysvinit Vs systemd but I don't have a dog in that fight and enabled systemd, which Mx makes very easy even though they advise against it.
Welcome to the light side
Welcome to the real world Neo. Don't take the pill with 777 permissions btw.
dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1k count=128 of=anarchy
chmod 777 anarchy
./anarchy
True anarchy
If you ever get bored of Ubuntu. You could try fedora kde, the recent versions are so good.
Don't forget to install codecs though.
That's exactly what I did haha, started with Kubuntu and moved to Fedora
I run Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop machines but I'm seriously considering switching to Debian (which I run on my server). Any reason I wouldn't want to do that on my desktop or laptop?
(Previously I ran Slackware on everything, so both of them feel like gliding softly on a cloud to me.)
There’s no reason. I switched to Debian after leaving Slackware around the reiser4 time. It’s real good.
Yeah it seems to work very well on my server. I've always just wondered why I don't see more people recommending it when they're switching from Ubuntu/Kubuntu. From what I've seen on the server (which I mostly access remotely), it seems decent.
It’s not cool. It means you have gray hairs. The packages are old by default.
Well I do have some gray hairs, so no issue there...
May I recommend lxqt and a trackball?
lol Listen here, sonny...
You probably will not notice that you are in other distro when you start using Debian. They are the same in most things, but without Snaps and most propietary stuff (by default. But if you really need propietary things, you may see the official non-free sourcelist)
Thanks. I often wonder why I don't see people recommending Debian as a potential destination from Ubuntu/Kubuntu. Why not go to the Free source?
I really do not know. But what I can say for sure is that during the installation of Debian, it allows you to choose the desktop environment at installation time, so you can have your Debian with KDE at minute 0 after installing it.
On the other hand, remember that Kubuntu is derived from Ubuntu. I don't see Ubuntu fans very enthusiastic about creating another Debian-based distro with KDE preinstalled when they even offer it (live images) to you here.
Weird. I've been trying to find a distro I'm happy with and was setting Fedora KDE up today. Ran though my bookmarks and found no videos played on Twitch. Had to install codecs to get it to work. I hadn't seen this in previous distros. Is this specific to Fedora? Other than this hiccup I've enjoyed it so far.
I liked how straight forward Linux Mint is but prefer KDE Plasma. Plus Mint seems quite far behind in versions.
In their gnome version, during the setup process (first boot, not install), they would prompt for third-party repo and codec (Enabled by default, IIRC).
I think you might have unchecked that? or KDE not offering such experience?
EDIT: NVM, I just checked, and I have never installed the codecs... LOL.
Fedora is notorious for avoiding shipping proprietary software with their distro even at the cost of new users.
I think this might stems from the fact that fedora used to be a distro aimed for advanced users. It is slowly getting better at being new user friendly.
I wonder if it is notorious?
Do most Linux users (in this context we'll say people who specifically choose to use Linux and by extension chose a specific distribution) look unfavorably on proprietary software being excluded by default?
For me, I prefer it so I don't see it that way. But it is also an extra step and an annoyance if you want things to "just work". Which is an understandable position.
Food for thought, I guess.
I'd like it if they weren't necessary and everything was AV1, then I would be alright with the codecs being omitted by default without any simple way to install them.
Similarly with the NVIDIA proprietary driver, NVIDIA actually recommend installing the driver through the package provided through your distro on thier download page
It is definitely not, at least for me when I switched to Linux.
I noticed weird issues while watching a video through VLC, posted about it on Reddit and someone suggested that I had not installed the codecs.
Yeah, I don't recall seeing that and installed it about four times.
Haha the pain of finding out...
Didn't you notice the decreased quality?
Yeah, I was wondering why I have desync issues couple days ago watching videos with my wife.
Modern YouTube videos are generally fine, but many other site has poor support for popular codecs.
I love me some Fedora with KDE, and looking forward to the next major version of KDE.
Yeah those codecs always get you.
Save the pain and install Nobara.
I mean, it's one dropdown/checkbox click, to enable codecs sources. I get your point though, having to remember to enable that.
I'd used Nobara if I knew it was being supported by more than just one (great/special; I'm aware of his contribution to gaming on Linux) guy (please correct me if this is no longer the case?), since it would be installed on my daily driver box, and it's important for me to have a high level of reliability, even though I do more gaming tasks than non-gaming tasks on it.
I'm aware that Nobara is based from Fedora, but am nervous about having a single point of failure, support wise.
I started this way today but kept coming up with an error with rsync during install. I tried in Virtual Box and had the same error. I gave up and just installed Fedora in the end.
No clue what rsync would be doing. Maybe there's an issue with the current ISO, but I've installed it on a few systems in the last couple months with no issues.
How do I install codecs? I'm running Ubuntu and I don't have the option to encode in H.265, which I could do on Windows.
I fas as I am aware, Ubuntu ships codecs by default.
Fedora does not ship proprietary software due to license issues.
*This is just what I know, you should fact check both.
Just wait till you start the estradiol..
Oh friend-… I’m on the other side. 8 years on T 💪💉. But yes. We’re all queer.
I was told that linux doesn't work on the Spectrum oO
On Lemmy it exclusively works on the spectrum.
I was referring to the spectrum computer, which can't run Linux. It wasn't about people on the Spectrum, which are probably all of us, in some fashion?
It's the path of many of us here, now you will hate linux if you come from windows, give it a couple of months and you'll ask yourself how the fuck you could be on windows till now.
Welcome to the community! If you need any help you have the Ubuntu forums and Lemmy because fuck Reddit
Wait and see you distrohopping every month for years ending up in a boring stable distro.
Welcome to the club. Your lan port is over there. (Insert broadcom chip joke here)
One of us! One of us
Same. I didn't know what a distribution was 8 months ago, now most of my feeds are Linux distro tier list video.
Same thing happened to me. Moved to pop!_os.I have zero regrets. I've learned a ton. I use tons of apps off f-droid and foss Ubuntu apps. I have degoogled most of my life. I'm also developing an Firefox addon for lemmy. It's usable as a user script addon now. It's called lemmytools. It's my small contribution. All because Reddit got stupid. I don't even browse reddit for answers usually about tech/programming stuff anymore because they block my VPN.
There are literally dozens of us! I'm running Zorin. The Reddit debacle really hit home for me that free alternatives to commercial projects work best when everyone pitches in a little.
it really is comforting to know you can do 99% of stuff you want with PCs without a license from Microsoft. FOSS has its own headaches but at least you don't have to wade through a PR swamp to fix stupid bugs
Congrats! Your laptop will be even happier with a lighter but still nice-looking desktop environment like Xfce and you even have an Ubuntu flavor around it: Xubuntu.
I can be swayed easily! I’ll throw it on the list!
Xubuntu is still too heavy, you have to strip it further and go for Lubuntu. Nothing like a 400 MB idle memory load on the desktop
My xubuntu is at 380MB idling on the desktop. Also, thanks for making me check. I should probably disable
snapd.I've had sub 200s with Lubuntu before
No doubt, indeed. Just pointing out 400 is not unreasonable for xfce.
Agreed. Additionally, Lubutnu felt a lot more responsive than Linux Lite (XFCE Ubuntu based distro)
I'd recommend Linux Mint with the XFCE desktop over Xubuntu, because they're mostly the same thing but Mint doesn't use Snap packages by default while Ubuntu does and Mint is better suited for desktop usage due to their various nice little config tools.
Welcome. I just started using linux recently myself and have been loving it. I would Definitely recommend checking out all the desktop environments to see what works best for you! I've done a bit of shopping and I think I've landed on KDE, myself.
Good luck with the transition!
It's a good reminder of how influenced we are by our surroundings, even when we try to be aware of the effect. Or maybe especially when we try to be aware.
I was staying strong until I saw they were already sundowning windows 10. 10! They just came out with that shit. I have no intention of upgrading to the latest advertising package.
….windows 10 came out in 2015. I wouldn’t say it just came out, 8 and a half years ago. Thats a pretty good run for a retail OS. There was only 5 between the release of 3.0 and 95.
My big gripe with 11 was that it seemed like MS was going to go away from major releases and go to something somewhat closer to a rolling release model. My big gripe with 10 was all the telemetry.
It’s actually pretty telling that from “insert installation media” to “working web browser”, just about any Linux distro is a faster, easier, and less demanding installation experience than 10 or 11.
Haha, fair enough. I seem to have lost track of the years somewhere in there.
It happened to me too.
I started using Linux more last year due to work, so the exodus from Reddit to FOSS land has been perfectly timed for me. I think I have 4 different distros in VMs right now.
I don't understand this topic. What are you trying to say?
I think OP is trying to say:
And he seems to be having a great time with LInux
Okay, thanks for clarification. really didn't get it. :D
The reddit api blocking 3rd party apps pushed a whole bunch of people onto lemmy, and lemmy is very big on FOSS and Linux so it's been a gateway of sorts
Day 1: "What is this place?"
Day 3: "Do you have a moment to hear the wonders of Fdroid?"
Lemmy pushed me towards f droid
I've been a linux user since 2006. But I'm not a computer guy, it was just my OS really. I haven't done serious computer work it what feels like decades. Two days on Lemmy and I'm thinking selfhosting a smarthome could be for me. Things are so wonderful now.
PS: Auch mag ich Kühe. Sie sehen wie Landcarten aus.
Ok, that's about the most complex sentence I can make. I wish I stuck with learning German.
It's called "Landkarten" :) but for the rest this sentence is completely correct.
I am a Linux user for about 1.5-2 years and I really like doing technical stuff. The next thing I really have to do is figure out how to install Stable diffusion on Arch Linux. That stuff isn't that straight forward. All guides I found didn't work.
German Ks make so much damn sense. Why do I keep screwing them up?
In this case, it was that "cartographer" is a cognate.
Try to browse Lemmy without finding anything about Linux 😅
Not to mention, Reddit's assault was followed by seemingly every tech company looking on and saying "hold my beer"
I've always been wary of the ability of tech companies to pull the plug of services on a whim, but holy shit did 2023 bring that way up the priority list
now to get a chromebook with coreboot to really stick it to the anti FOSS demons
Just a passer-by: why a chromebook? Is their hardware less reliant on proprietary software?
Depends on which one but some are easier to install coreboot on
the Chrultrabook project is what youll wanna look into, but basically yes. You can reliably get new-ish hardware very cheaply and flash FOSS stuff like Coreboot onto it.
No idea why tbh. The equivalent laptops outside of ChromeOS' ecosystem are usually much more locked down, to the point where the most powerful systems you'll find being able to run Coreboot are decades-old thinkpads on 3rd gen mobile i5 and Kepler mGPUs.
I have a chromebook how do i convert
chultrabook discord
Got a link?
is it x86 based? what's the board name?
Model is n16p1 - acer 14 CB3-431
your board is edgar, wp screw, see more infos on mrchromebox
I’ve done everything and my roadblock is finding compatible images hahaha
I gave one step more to achieve the holy sanctity of FOSS hardware I bought a Thinkpad and flashed Libreboot in it. Waiting for the bless of Saint iGNUcius
same here - downloaded Pop_OS yesterday, just have to make space on my overflowing harddrives
I also started with LTS assuming they would be more usable, but the extremely outdated package have later driven me away from linux for a while.
Now I realize I can just run normal Ubuntu to get reasonably up-to-date packages. But I like the latest (non-graphical) software that is offered by fedora.
Penguin party :)
Penguin and GNU party, don't forget
Agreed. Happy GNU year ! btw.
Lol, saaaaaame! I've run plenty of Linux servers over the past 30 years with only occasional attempts at desktop Linux, but never got it to graduate past a secondary box or dual-boot. All of the happy Linux desktop users I've run across on Lemmy convinced me to give it another go. I tried Ubuntu for a month under the mistaken assumption that it was still a relevant, stable, easy distro (10-15 years ago, it was the distro to use if you just wanted a no-fuss Linux desktop). Snaps made me want to end myself, but not quite give up on Linux altogether, so I pivoted and now I'm on month 3 of happily maining Arch!
Success
Welcome! Don't be surprised if you feel the need to try out all the distros!
Also, don't be surprised if that urge never goes away. :-D
Boy that escalated quickly
there is no god here
the best timeline of events
Speak for yourself, I first got on Lemmy to promote a movie, and the next thing I know, I was using Arch (BTW) and moderating an Android community.
I'm still not quite sure how that happened. This place.
You're so damn confident with every comment that I am constantly struggling not to believe you're actually Margot Robbie.
Nice wallpaper. I like space. Space is cool.
If you like ubuntu and you want to remove amazon and junk that ubuntu has you can go to debian. But in the future, just familarize yourself with everything first
or a Pop!/Mint/Neon ;^}
dry humor i hope
That wallpaper is giving me Elite Dangerous vibes. Do you play?
I’m more like an Animal Crossing kinda guy 😅 I just wanted to fit in with all the space gals n pals.
Welcome, and enjoy. Be proud.
Google EOL'd my beloved Asus C302 Chromebook, and now it runs Fedora with KDE. I'm super happy with it ❤️
Now tentatively working on turning my 2009 Mac Mini into a Fedora server/homelab.
So far it's running Fedora desktop/KDE, and I'm slowly trying to figure out how to get Docker to work so I can run stuff like Audiobookshelf. If I manage to get it working, I'll try going full Fedora Server instead of the desktop version.
This is the biggest reason for me; old hardware.
Wanna try and kill my 8 year old laptop by refusing to support it? Fine. Lubuntu.
There's so much waste everywhere, let alone in tech. Being able to both "recycle" old hardware, and find legitimate use for it, should be celebrated.
Now if only I knew what to do about my old phones ... I'm pretty good at making them last, so my older ones are very old, and I can't think of anything useful for them to do that whatever phone I currently have doesn't do much better 🤔
use revolt or at least webcord or some other discord frontend
Does audio streaming work via webcord?
yeah and if it didnt just modify settings in flatseal
Now see if "programming socks" do anything for you.
So I wasn't the only one. Nice.
lol welcome! Enjoy your time on the Linux side
Nice! Congratulations!
I think I see NixOS in your future. ;)
Isn't nix mostly for multi-system install? I did the nix thing a few years ago, spent a month on the config, and then never needed it again. Personally, I don't see a use-case for single desktop installation ;)
I use multiple systems and even I feel NixOS is overkill, especially with their confusing and sometimes incomplete documentation.
On the other hand, Nix the package manager has been fantastic - especially if you're on an immutable OS, or running some ancient "stable" distro - you can get all the packages you want, without breaking your system - and no need to learn the Nix language and write convoluted config files.
I'm running nix on my PC turned server, and there's definitely a lot of advantages...I highly recommend it for people who can pick up languages easily and prefer fixing a problem once by brute force trial and error.
Doing easy things is much harder, but doing hard things can be laughably easy
I probably wouldn't pick it as-is for my primary PC, but for a server? Amazing.
You got one of them Chromebooks? I also run a Chromebook. Prsise linux!
Chrultrabooks ftw!
I swear after adding Linux to this thing it’s become one of the best computers I’ve ever owned.
Regardless of the path, congrats on getting there
Join us brother