Banning elbows not being allowed on the table and hats not being allowed indoors are also wins for me
Elbows have always been allowed on the table. The rule for fancy dining was that you couldn't have elbows on the table during a course, i.e., when people are actively eating, but before/after, it's fine. That's a reasonable rule to be considerate of space.
Never been an issue for me. The issue would be invading someone’s personal space. Maybe we just have bigger tables where I live.
Exactly. Food on the table? Elbows off. It's simple.
Why?
If you have a large number of people eating in comparison to the size of the table, and the table is already covered in food, the only place on the table to put your elbows is in other people's personal space.
The rule should be "no elbows right next to someone else's food" but neurotypicals are terrible at communicating due to their underdeveloped social skills and empathy.
People other than you, who are not "neurotypicals" whatever tf that even means, are able to accomplish seating large amounts of people at a table and use basic table manners just fine. It's just common courtesy.
Yes, neurotypicals are indeed able to have large family dinners. But they have to do it using table manners as a crutch. They can't just have an honest conversation about what's really necessary, they need to rely on this social construct to tell people what to do without explaining why. It's a great weakness. If only the average person weren't so afraid to introspect and to question why we do things.
Tell me you have autism without telling me you have autism.
Which is kind of the point he is making. Instead of engaging in a honest talk and understanding the reasoning behind social norms, they are just pushed as normative and understandably confusing to people who struggle with "just behave like everyone else, lol".
Ironically this is exposing us neurotypicals to be socialy underdeveloped instead of non neurotypical people.
you implying that's bad?
except he literally implied it to you, and is trying to have an honest conversation about it
I like the way we don't have to wear petticoats under our dresses anymore.
Yeah. Now I just wear them for fun!
I mean doesn't everyone still at least wear the stretchy shorts under their dress? Like I'm not going just panties. That seems so lewd.
As someone who can't sit straight I only wore shorts and trousers until I learnt this trick in my twenties. While I personally don't find it lewd, other people clearly do and I get so pissed off every time someone feels the need to inform me that they've been looking up my skirt.
I’m gonna be the Debbie downer and mention that no-iron clothes have synthetics in them, the washing of which is a major contributor to the microplastics problem.
Linen is supposed to be wrinkly, that's why it's so cool. It lets the breeze get between you and the fabric. Just hang it up wet, giving a few strategic tugs to smooth it out, especially the collar.
I love that we are arguing about laundry on Lemmy. The thread above this there are so many angry downvotes.
Lol who said anything about specific garments? We just wear our clothes wrinkled and no one cares. My linen shirts looked wrecked for an hour or so and then the wrinkles fall out, for instance.
Yeah that's linen for you. People don't wear it much anymore sadly so they don't get that they just look wrinkled. I love linen shirts though.
no-iron clothes have synthetics in them
most my clothing is 100% cotton, and I have never ironed once I left my parent's home.
If I have to choose between keeping nature around and not having to buy an iron again, is gonna be a tough choice.
you can do both if you just choose not to care about wrinkled clothes.
Many of us have this choice made for us.
I have never even heard of "no iron clothes" until now, and I haven't ironed any of my clothes except when I absolutely had to do it because I was in the Marines.
Fair!
True, but tires are way, way worse.
You must look fucking stupid wearing tyres
No wrinkles in the shirt though.
Don't diss Michelin Man, that's not cool bro
No iron clothes is a lie. They say no iron on the label in the store, but they tell you to iron in on the care label.
Hanging them up wet rather than putting them in the dryer will get most wrinkles out, especially if you smooth/stretch the collar, placket and cuffs
Yeah nah by now ironing I mean I do not iron unless it's a fancy event, regardless of the fabric lol
Could be formaldehyde as well right?
Wool, cotton, etc, all don't need ironing. Just don't over dry and hang them up right away.
This was my first thought. “Ironing?! Ain’t nobody got time for that!” It would probably be nice though.
Would’ve thought we have more leisure time today than back in yee olden ironing thymes
...but then your clothes might look like you've worn them before.
What are you? Poor?
Yes?
Now everyone’s poor, so it’s okay.
I just buy new clothes every time.
This achievement belongs to the tail end of GENX... The folks that brought us grunge.
Im a geriatric millennial
Close enough. You can come in the club. There’s dunkaroos in the back if you’re hungry.
Looks like there's a box of YoYo Balls and Pogs. Can I have a go?
Oh for sure, those are a communal resource.
Fuck. I played so much with both of those things.
I thought they discontinued dunkaroos, but then my wife came home with a box of them for my kids.
I tried one (disgusting); I remember them being a lot better.
Hard to tell if it is actually worse or a false memory, because they originally came out when garbage sugar-laced food science was really taking off targeting the younger demographic.
I remember the birthday cake ones being amazing
They have 100% gotten worse. The quality of everything has dropped in the last 20+ years.
I keep having this argument with my mom. She keeps trying to tell me it's because I'm older and my taste bus have changed. I'll admit my preference in flavor may have broadened but all my favorite snacks and candy from the late 80s and early 90s have been terribly inshitafide. My absolute favorite was skittles. The apple ruined them but then they finally caved and put lime back in only to change the receipt altogether which ruined them a second time. At least one of the ingredients is illegal in most countries at this point.
Here is a fun fact. All skittles taste the same. They just add different scents to them to trick you into thinking there is a different flavor. That being said the lime ones were my favorite too.
This is silly semantics. If you can close your eyes and tell which color you are eating then the flavors are different enough. Scent is also linked to taste.
Close your eyes and plug your nose and see how they taste. Regardless it was just ment to be a fun fact.
I have and I 100% can tell you which color skittle I'm eating.
Edit: This only includes the original flavors. I'm not familiar enough with the various versions.
I remember always wearing wrinkled shirts back then because I didn't care about ironing or society.
I did that in the military. They were less keen and some shit hit some fans or whatever. So I got me some safety pins for my neckline and they shut the fuck up and my millennial self rejoiced.
How does this safety pin trick work?
Anyone who said shit, he poked them with it.
We are considered a micro-generation they have dubbed Xennials 1977-1983
Xennials are described as having had an analog childhood and a digital young adulthood.
I feel like a lot of people from different countries would fit that description after the fact since technology was more expensive and it took us longer to be able to afford the new and trendy items.
Speak for yourself. Casual clothes killed most ironing but ain't nobody showing up in a wrinkled suit.
I don't even own a suit haha
I wish they were more affordable in the US. I love wearing a suit, makes me feel like a mobster. lol Cosplay for the unstable.
Hopefully no weddings or funerals coming up. Then again, if you're American, I've seen people show up to a wedding in shorts and a baseball cap. No ironing required.
The most recent funeral I attended, only the deceased's brother wore a suit, the rest of the family wore basically everyday clothes, as did 99% of the attendants. I left my suit jacket in the car because I felt overdressed.
Was this in the US?
It was, yes.
The deceased wasn't the type that would want anyone to put on their Sunday best just for him, so it made sense. But when I mentioned it to my father, he commented that no one really wears suits to funerals anymore, or even weddings.
That's how we did my grandfather's memorial. Grandma didn't want it to feel formal and we weren't about to force that.
Just across (south) of the bay from you judging by your name: I was at a funeral recently, not many people wore suits. Of course, nobody wore shorts or anything, but not too many formal suits.
Here black suit is usually the way to go
I didn't for a long time either. Then I needed one.
Casual clothes killed most ironing but ain't nobody showing up in a wrinkled suit.
Unless you're upper management or going to a wedding/funeral/formal event, why would you even wear a suit? In the last decade I've worn my suit 3 or 4 times in the last decade, and they were all weddings or funerals.
Yeah I should have put an edit in. I didn't know this was going to blow up like this. I don't wear a suit or formal clothes more than about once a year, for the events of friends and families. I'm not trying to say it's an every day thing.
Where I work the staff still wear full suits for the most part. I think it's a more traditional workplace though.
Give it a try. Hit up a thrift store and get some great tacky suits from the 70s and 80s, if you can find em. It's a bit of fun to wear them when it's not necessary or expected. I probably wouldn't wear a really nice wedding/funeral suit in such cases because I spill fucking everything and would become destitute from the dry cleaning bills.
Now, if it were a social expectation/requirement, it would suck and not be fun. But, as a choice that one can make, it's great sometimes.
I have a tailored suit in my closet, but there's no way in fuck I'm showing up to work in that suit or any other suit.
For one, I work from home and I want to actually be comfortable. For two, if I was going into the office, I would ruin it at some point crawling under desks and behind racks and shit.
Absolutely there with you. Hence my suggestion of thrift store.
And for wearing one to the office? I also work from home so, would only likely do so to confuse my wife.
How often do you wear a suit? Dry clean as necessary, hang it up between uses. I've never ironed a suit.
That doesn't proof it from wrinkles, especially if you need to travel to the event.
Clothing steamers are less damaging though.
I've never had one actually work though. Irons, used properly, are safe and they work.
Mine does.
Bully for you?
?
I'm glad it works for you.
On the rare occasion I have to wear a dress shirt for work, I'm making sure it's as wrinkled as possible. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of the execs, it gives the impression that you don't work hard. I think it'll continue bubbling up in the same way not wearing a tie and not having curtails did.
Definitely did not.
IKR, my SO owns two.
IDK what OP is on about, though, I've never used one.
You're going with someone who owns two irons?
Blink twice if you're in danger.
👀
You might even say we ironed that problem out
oh, the irony!
all ya'll admitting to ironing your clothes in the comments are a bunch of dweebs, just saying.
It can be very relaxing. And suits (well shirt and pants) are something that you'd probably want to iron.
I bought an ironing board and an iron when I moved into my current home thinking "yeah, I have some shirts, I'll iron them when I need them".
That was 3 years ago. The ironing board was put into a corner out of sight and the iron is still in its original packaging, unopened to this day. I'm trying to justify my purchase with "better to have it and not need it than the other way around".
My parents bought me one when I moved out. Kept it around boxed for 5 years before throwing it out unused. If you care my clothing is wrinkled, I will never respect you.
Hopefully you donated it, instead of just throwing it directly in the dumpster.
There's still people who use them and not all of those people can afford one.
I justify any purchase that I regret as "investment". In 50 years, it will sure be worth at least 10x!
I at least got one of those little cheap half size ironing boards that I can hide by the dryer. I iron special occasion clothes and that one silk shirt I love to straighten the button strip whatever if it is egregious... Otherwise it sits unused 99.5% of the year.
"You'll be flattened to find out what industry millenials are killing next."
"This Millennial entrepreneur is bringing back ironing in a big way. For only $500 per billing period*, a subcontractor with Iron It® will come to your house and iron five shirts for you. You can add extra shirts for only $50 each, or pants for $70. Sign up today for a free trial at ironit.com! (*Billing period is 7 days. Free trial subscription automatically renews unless cancelled before day 3. Not liable for damage to clothes.)
Okay, but how about we still go with the subcontractor, but ... Hear me out here ... We call it AI and the subcontractor actually works in India for pennies on the dollar? Pivot to that and you've got my investment.
Every venture capitalist right now
"Dry-cleaners hate this one millenial secret!"
This one weird trick.
Dry cleaners hate them.
You know, I want software patents, math patents(yes, they are not legal. Yes, they exist.), NDAs, DMCA and mass surveilance to be on list what millenials are killing next.
Well now I'm bummed out to find out that people are trying to patent math.
I'm with you on all of those though.
It gets worse. There are patents on genes of existing species. Like spider silk is patent minefield.
That one surprises me less, based on the limited stuff I already know about GMO companies like Monsanto. Still madness, of course.
I iron like a mother fucker. Its so satisfying smoothing everything out.
Fuck you wrinkles
The beauty industry hates this one trick to stop skin from aging.
You joke but my dad once fell face first into a bonfire and blistered most of his face. When the skin grew back his dermatologist told him that a lot of people would kill for a skin treatment as good as what he wound up with. He was almost entirely blemish and wrinkle free when he healed.
You could probably manage the same with enough hot steam from an iron but it may take a bit longer.
my dad once fell face first into a bonfire
Ouch! How does one manage to... do that?
Fuck yes it is. I think I've ironed more this century than my Boomer mother. And none of it was out of necessity.
After working as a farm hand one summer, it was like a switch flipped in my head and I really started to like button-ups and the like. Probably something along the lines of "this clothing is completely different from my work clothing and doesn't have animal shit on it".
No-iron shirts and slacks are still the way to go but, getting those wrinkles that escape is just so satisfying.
Me who still irons clothes
looks sideways
Iron sympathizers will be dealt with harshly.
You must be a millennial
?
Because you iron
The meme talks about how millennials DON'T iron anymore
Which is either a boomer talking about zoomers because they’re too young to own irons vs anything of higher priority or some random person confessed to not ironing and thinks everyone does
It has no merit
Ironic
Don't ya think?
Last time I ironed something was for a job interview
It's understandable they'd want to see your technique.
I got into sewing so I do use an iron, but even then half the time I'm lazy and don't even press my seams. I'm not very good at sewing as a result, but I have a good time all the same.
Pressing open seams, especially the ones you need to sew over again, is the one really valid use of an iron.
And having fun is a very important part of home sewing!
The other really valid reason is linen. Kinda unrelated to sewing itself and it's not about stopping the stuff from crinkling (that's right-out impossible), but to make sure that crinkles don't always appear in the same place so the fabric has a chance of wearing down evenly.
Found this out the hard way because my linen duvet covers are oversized -- nominal size is correct, but they're made for down blankets, not flat ones. Blanket slides inside, generally towards the bottom, leaving a fabric flap on the top that really tends to crinkle as you sleep, wash, hang up, the crinkles don't straighten out, exact same crinkles appear in the exact same spot and get chafed while sleeping, rinse and repeat for two years the first hole starts appearing, a month later there's more than you can be bothered to patch.
Luckily it was a simple matter of running a stitch down the length of the thing to shorten it a bit, but given that an iron and ironing mat (not a full table, mat is completely sufficient) is significantly cheaper than linen covers or just the material for them, definitely worth the investment and time.
Oh and yes linen covers are definitely worth it because moisture regulation. It's also nice and soft -- not in the silky smooth sense, it has definitive grip to it. So are linen kitchen towels because they actually dry stuff instead of spreading water around. Half-linen is already a massive upgrade over cotton in that area and it's much cheaper (the main reason why full linen is so expensive is because it's a bugger to weave, not because the yarn is that much more expensive. Weaving linen wefts into cotton warps OTOH is pretty uncomplicated).
You make good points. I can't stand linen myself, I find it scratchy and itchy, makes my skin peel, but I realize I'm in the minority, and if you like it, it's worth making it last.
Please tell me about any sewing-related communities you’re subbed to because I want to make sure I am also subbed to them! (I love linen)
Oh that's easy (and probably disappointing): None. Not really a hobby of mine, more of an extension to doing the laundry and being a cheapskate who can't fathom buying something new when you can fix it in the time it takes to listen to a podcast episode.
All my clothes have creases on them. I do not care unless it actually ruins the look. Only then do I use the iron.
I fuckin hate ironing clothes
My mom ironed everything that came out of the dryer (and everything that came out of the washer went in the dryer)
I just run anything wrinkled through the dryer for about 10 minutes.
Just like that grandma looks like she is 25 again
But I do like ironing. I do it so infrequently, I associate it with getting all fancied up to go out to a special event.
And everything about it is so relaxing... The sound of the water in the iron, the hiss of steam. That clean smell, rising with the hot steam. You're forced to slow down and pay attention, if you want to get it right.
Whether you're alone or sharing the moment with company, it's a recipe for encoding a core memory, deep in there, pinned in place by multiple senses.
I came here to say this. I go into zen mode when ironing my clothes because I only have to do it when I'm either celebrating or doing something very important to me.
All these other things to worry about, but right now, my only enemy is this wrinkle next to the collar.
You guys don’t iron clothes?
I’m a millennial and I iron my clothes, how do you get the wrinkles out???? Teach me your secrets
Who said anything about getting wrinkles out?
My clothes have artisanal wrinkling.
Fold your clothes immediately after drying, while they are still warm. Also, dryers that can add steam really help if you've got a few things that need wrinkle removal. Also, handheld steamers are cheap.
Mostly, avoid needing to iron by avoiding wearing formal business attire.
I don't get the wrinkles out
Step outside into the heat and your sweat will instantly steam them out. Thanks global warming!
Hang your clothes in the closet.
The imperfections in the creases mirror my own uniqueness and imperfections
Don’t use the dryer on shirts and the like. Shake them a bit then hang them up to dry and let gravity do the work.
Don’t shake them too hard or they stretch. But hang everything absofuckinglutely immediately after they’re outta the washer or dryer. Like rn.
Why? Clothes need thermal treatment to kill bacteria and other shit.
Well that’s the washing part. Hell, most people I know don’t have a dryer nor anywhere to put one.
Washing is not enough to kill bacteria.
Well they come out visibly clean and smell nice. It’s not like I need a sterile outfit.
why do wrinkly clothes matter in the least? who gives a flying fuck about it?
do you polish your shoes too? i personally don't want to feel like a ken doll
why do wrinkly clothes matter in the least
Wedding
Graduation
Horse funeral
Workplace
Church
Horse funeral
School uniform
Anniversary (of horse funeral)
Church? Really? Isn't religion on milenials' to-kill-list?
Out of all the things I've listed, church is the one that grabs your attention?
That and school uniform.
You wear wrinkly clothes to the return of Jim?
I did our boy Jim dirty
Learn to accept the wrinkles and wear them like a badge of honor!
I'm Gen-X and I hate to break it to you, we had permanent press well before we had Millennials.
I iron my tshirts and shorts otherwise they look crinkley
You could save yourself some time if you get your clothes out of both the washer and the dryer immediately after the cycles finish.
I don't use the dryer except for towels, and I'm generally pretty good about taking them out when they're done washing- can definitely tell when they've sat there a while!
Do you fold your clothes right after taking them out of the dryer, while they're still warm?
Fold‽
I don't use the dryer
Is everyone walking around with crumpled clothes? Or am I missing some critical life hack?
Shake out, hang when wet, never iron again.
Take your clothes out of the washer immediately, untangle them if necessary, and put them in the dryer. Don’t just dump all the clothes from washer to dryer.
Remove the clothes from the dryer as soon as it's done while they're still warm. Hang shirts on hangers and put away the pants.
Lastly, only buy new shirts and pants that are iron-free.
Honestly most the advice I'm seeing is basically an answer to "how to avoid clothes looking absurdly crinkled" but nothing gets clothes as crinkle-free as an iron. Most people are just content with some crinkles.
Not even iron-free shirts are free from my iron.
I line dry everything but socks n towels. Stuff practically irons itself
Ironing is really only required for "dress up" clothing, casual cotton clothing is generally presentable if you wash, machine dry and fold/hang while still warm. You will have a crease and it will resolve itself in a few hours. Polyester blends also come in several utility blends like the stain free, moisture dispersing and wrinkle resistant. I'm realizing reading this thread that some people iron all of their clothing, but in my home we typically only iron our formal occasion attire (rare).
On a tangent... Why are we still wearing ties? Buttons exist and are already included 95% of the time.
I thought they were there to cover the unsightly and promiscuous buttons
Slutty Little Tramps
As a chubby middle aged sales guy who remembers when we used to wear suits, I miss them because a suit and tie is about the best thing you can wear as a chubby guy to look good.
We've got a collective fetish for being lightly choked all day while in an air conditioned space and attending meetings about "north star visions".
Tie haters unite!
Dyslexics untie!
Ironing clothes died long before millennials. Grandma quit ironing before you were born. Wrinkle Free shirts and pants started showing up in the 1970's and were common within the decade.
Source: I was there.
Yep, old shirts came out of the wash looking like a fucking Calabi-Yau manifold, even casual wear.
Hey now, some of us like to iron patches onto our jackets of things we like!
There are fairly cheap handheld heat presses on amazon that have way more even heat distribution and are superb for patches and vinyl transfer.
I have to go back over and stitch in the edges on all my iron-on patches, might have to look into that if they'll do a better job.
Hopefully none of you are using suits lol
Suits are only for special occasions, and even then I'm going to get it dry cleaned and they can worry about ironing in the bastard.
Suits and other "nice" clothes are designed to enforce class separation. Reject them. Although you should probably wear them to a funeral or wedding anyway, out of respect.
Idk I like to wear nice clothes. Right clothes for the right occasion of course
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Oh shut it. Wear whatever you like.
On the other hand, wear whatever the fuck you want.
Or wear them to kink spaces, because dominating class separation is part of the game.
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In Silicon Valley it’s the the other way around. The wealthier someone is the sloppier they dress.
Iron a wool suit?
My wool suit pants can be ironed on low. And my shirt definitely needs to be ironed. Just check the label first
I definitely have clothes I still need to iron. If I don't iron some of my button downs, they have a lot of wrinkles and look bad.
I forgot I even had an ironing board in my closet. I haven't needed to use that thing in 10 years.
A proper hand held steamer all day.
Ok, can we talk about the hand held steamer for a hot second? I got convinced into getting one. Now, can you explain how we do:
The collar
The seam along the buttons
Because it doesn't seem to do much for either
Thanks
Yeah... I'm pretty sure you need an iron for those. A decent iron can probably do everything that a hand steamer can so, might as well just go with a nice iron.
We don't talk about those 2 problems
Steamer game, represent.
I, for one, do like to iron. I'd probably not like it if it was mandatory for all clothing though. What really has happened is societal changes leading to much more casual attire expectations (not that we could afford to dress like previous generations) alongside advancements in textile technology that have resulted in garments less likely to show wrinkles.
Sometimes I iron. Someone mentioned school uniform and yes.
But mainly I look at say a t-shirt and go "Meh" shrug and throw it on. Bang a leather jacket on and nobody knows it's wrinkled and they fall out.
Now we're having our 1 week of summer in the UK I'm having to iron my t-shirts because it's too hot for my jacket, but it's only a week.
as a swede i am legally obligated to vomit at the idea of school uniforms
I hate them too but unfortunately the vast majority of schools require them. It pisses me off how much time and energy is spent enforcing meaningless rules.
I am not Swedish, but I would like to join you in the procedure of vomiting at the idea.
Nothing like making the masses complacent since childhood by controlling nonessential fashion choices.
The good thing is that you don't have all these toxic, wealth-dependent, brand-indoctrinating capitalist, environmentally destructive fast fashion pressures for kids.
Choosing to wear my favourite color to school isn't "brand indoctrination". It is called being a free individual. If parents can refuse to buy their kids non essential, unaffordable electronics they can refuse to buy them fast fashion branded clothing. The solution to capitalism being shit isn't simply eliminating choice.
Can you do precision vomiting into Putin's bunker? Asking for a friend.
I very much agree with you.
Try hanging them and watch the wrinkles fall away. Other ways you could always get some of those sport tops that breath. Should help with the heat.
I think gen x did that... You're welcome.
Ironing is the only time of the week where I have the time to watch TV or movies. Not that I don't have free time, but I usually spend it in other ways. During ironing, I'm a captive audience. That said, I don't iron all that much. I remember the last season of The Boys took me four months to finish...
If push comes to shove, I sprinkle some water on my clothes and run them in the dryer for a few minutes. The wrinkles are gone.
Unfortunately the kids school uniform needs ironing, and my t-shirts are always way more creased when they dry on the washing line outside than when they've been in the drier.
Nah they don't. No clothing needs ironing.
Wear it for 10 minutes and they both look equally wrinkled whether they were ironed or not.
Na, they can definitely look worse! I had one on the other day that I didn't iron and by the end of the day it still looked terrible, more so than if it had originally been ironed.
I still use a steamer on some clothes
I have an iron but no ironing board so I used to do it on my desks when trousers were really too wrinkled, but it's been over a year since my desk has had enough room for it, I just don't know where to put the stuff and don't have time for that.
The number of times I find myself plugging the iron in behind the TV and then holding an old Amazon box against the wall and juggling my pants while I iron because I'm in a rush and that's the available outlet plug and space.
Not a millenial but the only time i get an iron out is to declump the pocket flaps on my flannel shirts
I’m pretty sure ‘Declump pocket flaps’ is in section 1 of the Apollo Launch Configuration checklist, right before Lint Valve Override.
Could be but mine are forever earthbound
You're welcome
~Millenials
I own an iron because after washing fabric, it gets wrinkles.
Do you know how much a pain in the ass it is to sew wrinkled fabric? Flat and smooth is the easiest way to do that.
Sewing is the legit reason for irons.
A steamer, Iron and that wrinkle spray stays close. "We", nope.
Who is we
Millennials.
I'm one, and the SO is a Zillennial; neither of us own irons. Just don't see the point. Dryers are fairly effective wrinkle removers, and any remaining creases will eventually come out simply by wearing the clothing.
I iron for the creases!! I understand why many people wouldn't have use for them but I like having crisp collars on button downs and polos and a slight crease to certain khakis
By "creases" I meant wrinkles. I have this weird quirk where I don't like reusing a word too many times in a paragraph, so I'll try to find a synonym.
Did you even notice how many times you said 'I'?
Shit.
I knew what you meant by the context, no worries
RIP anything made of linen.
We don't own anything made out of linen, lol
Regardless, delicates get air dried. I live in a "right to dry" state (i.e. it's illegal to ban clotheslines here), but even if I didn't, you can always hang them over the shower rod.
I think what this meme misses is, largely, clothes in the west are now designed to look as if they have been ironed if hung up properly to dry
This is absolutely not a pet peeve of mine that we didn't just stop ironing due to the lack of social convention (brought on by less time in working people's lives and less domestic labour done in the home by women) but by new technology in the area of clothing
It's right out of the dryer and hung up. Also, steam dryer is amazing. Only ironing is for button ups.
I still have to put up with it a little bit but I made it my life's mission to avoid it as much as possible whilst still being part of mainstream society. I'm so glad that this meme indicates that FINALLY other people are not only not doing it but also denouncing it as much as I have. I've had to hold back on bitching about how stupid and irritating it is because it was always something everyone else seemed to have viewed as a mundane, at worst neutral and at best good aspect of everyday life that wasn't that hard and gave you nice looking clothes. You can't complain at length about something that is considered in those terms because you just come off as a boring crank. But now finally, if only for a moment I can still feel normal whilst embracing my abiding hatred of the pointless and time wasting practice.
FUCK ironing, and especially fuck whatever dipshit came up with it. Before this was invented wrinkled clothes would have to have been but a fact of life. I'm near certain whoever did come up with this was someone who knew they personally would never have had to do it. For centuries it would have been palmed off on the usual people that had to carry out the shitwork and now, in modern times, we didn't jettison the practice along with the sexism and classism that forced some to have to do it and not others, we just made it so that now we all have to do it. It delivers no benefit, it's so fucking stupid aaagghh! Because of the conventions and expectations that formed around it, I'm unfortunately forced to participate in it despite my misgivings, even if only on the bare minimum of occasions. If I have a job interview, or I'm going to a fancy event I have play in to this ridiculous farce that is noticeable only from its absence and help perpetuate it. I sincerely hope this generation really has managed to abolish it and it's only the remnants of my own upbringing and peers that mean I still have to occasionally do it because the world will be objectively better off if no one ever does this again.
Ooops. Millennial here and I often iron my bed sheets. I have a weird ventless washer/dryer combo thing, and no matter how quickly I pull my sheets out or what dryness level I set it to, they come out quite wrinkled. I don't really mind if the main sheet is a bit wrinkly, but it drives me nuts when the top edge gets all folded, and then those folds become permanent creases.
I don't actually do anything about it, but I don't like the way some sheets get that top hem all wrinkled either, so I honor your commitment to making the thing that matters to you better.
And that is the con of having a combo. They do a much better job as separate appliances.
Kinda like... All season tires. They do neither well.
Yep. The dry cycle also takes about twice as long, but supposedly it's more gentle on fabrics. It's a pretty nifty option for small spaces without a way to properly vent the dryer, but I can see why they're not more popular. The machine came with the place, so I didn't exactly choose it, but I hang dry most stuff anyway, and definitely prefer it over dealing with shared, coin operated machines.
I like ironing my clothes though and if you show up to a formal family event with a shirt that looks like you rolled around in it, then I will offer to iron for you before the next time.
Ironing is for crafts and sewing.
My clothes only get wrinkly if I get them wet and then let them dry being all balled up so I never really ironed even though I grew up with it being a thing. The only thing I use an iron for and the only reason I even have one, is for applying those heat-activated designs and patches (though I usually tend to also sew the patches on because that heat glue often suuuuucks).
Imagine naming you iron "utopia"
Man, I iron all the time. I'm not like, ironing underwear like a crazy person, but I have a lot of shirts that would be straight up unacceptable to wear to work without it. It takes like 2 minutes.
I don't usually wear dress shirts to work except for big presentations, but how on earth does it only take you two minutes? Are you only counting active time ironing? Or ironing 10 shirts in one session and giving the per-shirt average?
Start to finish, from getting out the iron, plugging in to start up, setting up my ironing board and laying out a shirt, waiting to heat up, ironing the shirt plus flipping it around and ironing again, then putting everything away after the iron cools down, it's usually like 15-20 minutes for me. Maybe you can do something else when the iron is heating up, but it still seems like at least 10-15 minutes. Still a short enough period to not be a huge hassle once a week, but way too much to do every morning.
It really isn't that hard. It takes about 3-4 mins to iron a dress shirt to look pretty damn good compared to doing nothing for it at all not including the time for the iron to heat up. I also save time by using the steam button heavily and not being afraid to throw on a slightly damp and warm shirt. Still, when I decide to change my shirt right before I'm walking out the door and I only have 10 mins or I'm gonna miss my train I still always have time to throw the iron on and give it a once-over. Like yeah if you want all your garments absolutely perfectly ironed it might take a little longer, but you might just not have the technique down from lack of practice. For the record I'm gen z so idk if I'm just weird or if the meme is maybe not as universal as some think.
I leave the whole thing set up in the guest room so I don't have to mess with it, and I'm a woman, so most of my dressier tops are less complicated than a men's button-down. I plug it in, wash my face, and it's ready to go, and it really is only about 2 minutes to actually iron. Maybe twice that if it's a particularly finicky fabric (which I'm slowly eliminating from my wardrobe).
Or ironing 10 shirts in one session and giving the per-shirt average?
Or also have chad 230V iron instead of weak 120V.
There’s the great trick - you really didn’t.
... You don't iron your clothes?
Do you just go places looking like you just got dragged through a bush backwards?
Yes and yes
I’ll take my clothes to the cleaners if I need to look fancy. They do a much better job anyhow.
man if your clothes look dragged through bushes i think you need to reconsider your washing and storage routine, my clothes just have minor creases and the fanciest part of my routine is rolling things up before stuffing them in a drawer.
... You don't get dragged through a bush backwards? In this economy?
Ironing kills bacteria, but if you somehow else do thermal treatment of clothes, then fine.
Hang them in the sun, the UV radiation kills most of the germs
Wash them with normal detergent and put them in your wardrobe. The lack of nutrients and water kills them.
Banning elbows not being allowed on the table and hats not being allowed indoors are also wins for me
Elbows have always been allowed on the table. The rule for fancy dining was that you couldn't have elbows on the table during a course, i.e., when people are actively eating, but before/after, it's fine. That's a reasonable rule to be considerate of space.
Never been an issue for me. The issue would be invading someone’s personal space. Maybe we just have bigger tables where I live.
Exactly. Food on the table? Elbows off. It's simple.
Why?
If you have a large number of people eating in comparison to the size of the table, and the table is already covered in food, the only place on the table to put your elbows is in other people's personal space.
The rule should be "no elbows right next to someone else's food" but neurotypicals are terrible at communicating due to their underdeveloped social skills and empathy.
People other than you, who are not "neurotypicals" whatever tf that even means, are able to accomplish seating large amounts of people at a table and use basic table manners just fine. It's just common courtesy.
Yes, neurotypicals are indeed able to have large family dinners. But they have to do it using table manners as a crutch. They can't just have an honest conversation about what's really necessary, they need to rely on this social construct to tell people what to do without explaining why. It's a great weakness. If only the average person weren't so afraid to introspect and to question why we do things.
Tell me you have autism without telling me you have autism.
Which is kind of the point he is making. Instead of engaging in a honest talk and understanding the reasoning behind social norms, they are just pushed as normative and understandably confusing to people who struggle with "just behave like everyone else, lol".
Ironically this is exposing us neurotypicals to be socialy underdeveloped instead of non neurotypical people.
you implying that's bad?
except he literally implied it to you, and is trying to have an honest conversation about it
Well it’s never been an issue in any space I’ve eaten in, so I think you’re wrong.
Good to know you've never sat at a table with a lot of people, I guess? Or next to an opposite handed person.
Yeah, no need whatsoever to eat cramped too tightly around a table.
This is one of the few cases where the down and upvotes actually matter for the issue at hand buddy.
If elbows aren't allowed on a table during a course of a fancy dinner, they have definitely not always been allowed on the table.
Yeah I thought that was a ridiculous statement as well
"Why?"
"Because!"
"..."
I like the way we don't have to wear petticoats under our dresses anymore.
Yeah. Now I just wear them for fun!
I mean doesn't everyone still at least wear the stretchy shorts under their dress? Like I'm not going just panties. That seems so lewd.
As someone who can't sit straight I only wore shorts and trousers until I learnt this trick in my twenties. While I personally don't find it lewd, other people clearly do and I get so pissed off every time someone feels the need to inform me that they've been looking up my skirt.
I’m gonna be the Debbie downer and mention that no-iron clothes have synthetics in them, the washing of which is a major contributor to the microplastics problem.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/science/laundry-is-a-top-source-of-microplastic-pollution-heres-how-to-clean-your-clothes-more-sustainably
All clothes are no-iron clothes if you DGAF enough :)
My people.
This is the way.
All you gotta do it hang the shirts up, guys. That's it. Gravity is nature's iron.
But make sure you do so quickly after the dryer is done. Otherwise they'll cool down and the creases will set.
I'd rather not follow any advice you give, MindTraveller. Thanks.
Clearly you've never bought linen :p
Linen is supposed to be wrinkly, that's why it's so cool. It lets the breeze get between you and the fabric. Just hang it up wet, giving a few strategic tugs to smooth it out, especially the collar.
I love that we are arguing about laundry on Lemmy. The thread above this there are so many angry downvotes.
Lol who said anything about specific garments? We just wear our clothes wrinkled and no one cares. My linen shirts looked wrecked for an hour or so and then the wrinkles fall out, for instance.
Yeah that's linen for you. People don't wear it much anymore sadly so they don't get that they just look wrinkled. I love linen shirts though.
most my clothing is 100% cotton, and I have never ironed once I left my parent's home.
If I have to choose between keeping nature around and not having to buy an iron again, is gonna be a tough choice.
you can do both if you just choose not to care about wrinkled clothes.
Many of us have this choice made for us.
I have never even heard of "no iron clothes" until now, and I haven't ironed any of my clothes except when I absolutely had to do it because I was in the Marines.
Fair!
True, but tires are way, way worse.
You must look fucking stupid wearing tyres
No wrinkles in the shirt though.
Don't diss Michelin Man, that's not cool bro
No iron clothes is a lie. They say no iron on the label in the store, but they tell you to iron in on the care label.
Hanging them up wet rather than putting them in the dryer will get most wrinkles out, especially if you smooth/stretch the collar, placket and cuffs
Yeah nah by now ironing I mean I do not iron unless it's a fancy event, regardless of the fabric lol
Could be formaldehyde as well right?
Wool, cotton, etc, all don't need ironing. Just don't over dry and hang them up right away.
Ironing seems like it'd be a really chill and relaxing activity, if we had time to engage in it.
It is, if you don't have to do it all the damn time. If you just iron your clothes when you want/need to, it's an enjoyable chore.
It's like gardening/lawn care for me. I like doing it, but I hate having to do it or else.
It is But only for men
How have I never seen this video before?
This was my first thought. “Ironing?! Ain’t nobody got time for that!” It would probably be nice though.
Would’ve thought we have more leisure time today than back in yee olden ironing thymes
...but then your clothes might look like you've worn them before.
What are you? Poor?
Yes?
Now everyone’s poor, so it’s okay.
I just buy new clothes every time.
This achievement belongs to the tail end of GENX... The folks that brought us grunge.
Im a geriatric millennial
Close enough. You can come in the club. There’s dunkaroos in the back if you’re hungry.
Looks like there's a box of YoYo Balls and Pogs. Can I have a go?
Oh for sure, those are a communal resource.
Fuck. I played so much with both of those things.
I thought they discontinued dunkaroos, but then my wife came home with a box of them for my kids.
I tried one (disgusting); I remember them being a lot better.
Hard to tell if it is actually worse or a false memory, because they originally came out when garbage sugar-laced food science was really taking off targeting the younger demographic.
I remember the birthday cake ones being amazing
They have 100% gotten worse. The quality of everything has dropped in the last 20+ years.
I keep having this argument with my mom. She keeps trying to tell me it's because I'm older and my taste bus have changed. I'll admit my preference in flavor may have broadened but all my favorite snacks and candy from the late 80s and early 90s have been terribly inshitafide. My absolute favorite was skittles. The apple ruined them but then they finally caved and put lime back in only to change the receipt altogether which ruined them a second time. At least one of the ingredients is illegal in most countries at this point.
Here is a fun fact. All skittles taste the same. They just add different scents to them to trick you into thinking there is a different flavor. That being said the lime ones were my favorite too.
This is silly semantics. If you can close your eyes and tell which color you are eating then the flavors are different enough. Scent is also linked to taste.
Close your eyes and plug your nose and see how they taste. Regardless it was just ment to be a fun fact.
I have and I 100% can tell you which color skittle I'm eating.
Edit: This only includes the original flavors. I'm not familiar enough with the various versions.
I remember always wearing wrinkled shirts back then because I didn't care about ironing or society.
I did that in the military. They were less keen and some shit hit some fans or whatever. So I got me some safety pins for my neckline and they shut the fuck up and my millennial self rejoiced.
How does this safety pin trick work?
Anyone who said shit, he poked them with it.
We are considered a micro-generation they have dubbed Xennials 1977-1983
I feel like a lot of people from different countries would fit that description after the fact since technology was more expensive and it took us longer to be able to afford the new and trendy items.
Speak for yourself. Casual clothes killed most ironing but ain't nobody showing up in a wrinkled suit.
I don't even own a suit haha
I wish they were more affordable in the US. I love wearing a suit, makes me feel like a mobster. lol Cosplay for the unstable.
Hopefully no weddings or funerals coming up. Then again, if you're American, I've seen people show up to a wedding in shorts and a baseball cap. No ironing required.
The most recent funeral I attended, only the deceased's brother wore a suit, the rest of the family wore basically everyday clothes, as did 99% of the attendants. I left my suit jacket in the car because I felt overdressed.
Was this in the US?
It was, yes.
The deceased wasn't the type that would want anyone to put on their Sunday best just for him, so it made sense. But when I mentioned it to my father, he commented that no one really wears suits to funerals anymore, or even weddings.
That's how we did my grandfather's memorial. Grandma didn't want it to feel formal and we weren't about to force that.
Just across (south) of the bay from you judging by your name: I was at a funeral recently, not many people wore suits. Of course, nobody wore shorts or anything, but not too many formal suits.
Here black suit is usually the way to go
I didn't for a long time either. Then I needed one.
Unless you're upper management or going to a wedding/funeral/formal event, why would you even wear a suit? In the last decade I've worn my suit 3 or 4 times in the last decade, and they were all weddings or funerals.
Yeah I should have put an edit in. I didn't know this was going to blow up like this. I don't wear a suit or formal clothes more than about once a year, for the events of friends and families. I'm not trying to say it's an every day thing.
Where I work the staff still wear full suits for the most part. I think it's a more traditional workplace though.
Give it a try. Hit up a thrift store and get some great tacky suits from the 70s and 80s, if you can find em. It's a bit of fun to wear them when it's not necessary or expected. I probably wouldn't wear a really nice wedding/funeral suit in such cases because I spill fucking everything and would become destitute from the dry cleaning bills.
Now, if it were a social expectation/requirement, it would suck and not be fun. But, as a choice that one can make, it's great sometimes.
I have a tailored suit in my closet, but there's no way in fuck I'm showing up to work in that suit or any other suit.
For one, I work from home and I want to actually be comfortable. For two, if I was going into the office, I would ruin it at some point crawling under desks and behind racks and shit.
Absolutely there with you. Hence my suggestion of thrift store.
And for wearing one to the office? I also work from home so, would only likely do so to confuse my wife.
How often do you wear a suit? Dry clean as necessary, hang it up between uses. I've never ironed a suit.
That doesn't proof it from wrinkles, especially if you need to travel to the event.
Clothing steamers are less damaging though.
I've never had one actually work though. Irons, used properly, are safe and they work.
Mine does.
Bully for you?
?
I'm glad it works for you.
On the rare occasion I have to wear a dress shirt for work, I'm making sure it's as wrinkled as possible. I wouldn't want to be mistaken for one of the execs, it gives the impression that you don't work hard. I think it'll continue bubbling up in the same way not wearing a tie and not having curtails did.
Definitely did not.
IKR, my SO owns two.
IDK what OP is on about, though, I've never used one.
You're going with someone who owns two irons?
Blink twice if you're in danger.
👀
You might even say we ironed that problem out
oh, the irony!
all ya'll admitting to ironing your clothes in the comments are a bunch of dweebs, just saying.
Said ye who has not experienced Extreme Ironing.
Speechless
It can be very relaxing. And suits (well shirt and pants) are something that you'd probably want to iron.
I bought an ironing board and an iron when I moved into my current home thinking "yeah, I have some shirts, I'll iron them when I need them".
That was 3 years ago. The ironing board was put into a corner out of sight and the iron is still in its original packaging, unopened to this day. I'm trying to justify my purchase with "better to have it and not need it than the other way around".
My parents bought me one when I moved out. Kept it around boxed for 5 years before throwing it out unused. If you care my clothing is wrinkled, I will never respect you.
Hopefully you donated it, instead of just throwing it directly in the dumpster.
There's still people who use them and not all of those people can afford one.
I justify any purchase that I regret as "investment". In 50 years, it will sure be worth at least 10x!
I at least got one of those little cheap half size ironing boards that I can hide by the dryer. I iron special occasion clothes and that one silk shirt I love to straighten the button strip whatever if it is egregious... Otherwise it sits unused 99.5% of the year.
They're good for Hama beads.
Soon on Forbes or something:
"You'll be flattened to find out what industry millenials are killing next."
"This Millennial entrepreneur is bringing back ironing in a big way. For only $500 per billing period*, a subcontractor with Iron It® will come to your house and iron five shirts for you. You can add extra shirts for only $50 each, or pants for $70. Sign up today for a free trial at ironit.com! (*Billing period is 7 days. Free trial subscription automatically renews unless cancelled before day 3. Not liable for damage to clothes.)
Okay, but how about we still go with the subcontractor, but ... Hear me out here ... We call it AI and the subcontractor actually works in India for pennies on the dollar? Pivot to that and you've got my investment.
"Dry-cleaners hate this one millenial secret!"
This one weird trick.
Dry cleaners hate them.
You know, I want software patents, math patents(yes, they are not legal. Yes, they exist.), NDAs, DMCA and mass surveilance to be on list what millenials are killing next.
Well now I'm bummed out to find out that people are trying to patent math.
I'm with you on all of those though.
It gets worse. There are patents on genes of existing species. Like spider silk is patent minefield.
That one surprises me less, based on the limited stuff I already know about GMO companies like Monsanto. Still madness, of course.
I iron like a mother fucker. Its so satisfying smoothing everything out.
Fuck you wrinkles
The beauty industry hates this one trick to stop skin from aging.
You joke but my dad once fell face first into a bonfire and blistered most of his face. When the skin grew back his dermatologist told him that a lot of people would kill for a skin treatment as good as what he wound up with. He was almost entirely blemish and wrinkle free when he healed.
You could probably manage the same with enough hot steam from an iron but it may take a bit longer.
Ouch! How does one manage to... do that?
Fuck yes it is. I think I've ironed more this century than my Boomer mother. And none of it was out of necessity.
After working as a farm hand one summer, it was like a switch flipped in my head and I really started to like button-ups and the like. Probably something along the lines of "this clothing is completely different from my work clothing and doesn't have animal shit on it".
No-iron shirts and slacks are still the way to go but, getting those wrinkles that escape is just so satisfying.
Me who still irons clothes
looks sideways
Iron sympathizers will be dealt with harshly.
You must be a millennial
?
Because you iron
The meme talks about how millennials DON'T iron anymore
Which is either a boomer talking about zoomers because they’re too young to own irons vs anything of higher priority or some random person confessed to not ironing and thinks everyone does
It has no merit
Ironic
Don't ya think?
Last time I ironed something was for a job interview
It's understandable they'd want to see your technique.
I got into sewing so I do use an iron, but even then half the time I'm lazy and don't even press my seams. I'm not very good at sewing as a result, but I have a good time all the same.
Pressing open seams, especially the ones you need to sew over again, is the one really valid use of an iron.
And having fun is a very important part of home sewing!
The other really valid reason is linen. Kinda unrelated to sewing itself and it's not about stopping the stuff from crinkling (that's right-out impossible), but to make sure that crinkles don't always appear in the same place so the fabric has a chance of wearing down evenly.
Found this out the hard way because my linen duvet covers are oversized -- nominal size is correct, but they're made for down blankets, not flat ones. Blanket slides inside, generally towards the bottom, leaving a fabric flap on the top that really tends to crinkle as you sleep, wash, hang up, the crinkles don't straighten out, exact same crinkles appear in the exact same spot and get chafed while sleeping, rinse and repeat for two years the first hole starts appearing, a month later there's more than you can be bothered to patch.
Luckily it was a simple matter of running a stitch down the length of the thing to shorten it a bit, but given that an iron and ironing mat (not a full table, mat is completely sufficient) is significantly cheaper than linen covers or just the material for them, definitely worth the investment and time.
Oh and yes linen covers are definitely worth it because moisture regulation. It's also nice and soft -- not in the silky smooth sense, it has definitive grip to it. So are linen kitchen towels because they actually dry stuff instead of spreading water around. Half-linen is already a massive upgrade over cotton in that area and it's much cheaper (the main reason why full linen is so expensive is because it's a bugger to weave, not because the yarn is that much more expensive. Weaving linen wefts into cotton warps OTOH is pretty uncomplicated).
You make good points. I can't stand linen myself, I find it scratchy and itchy, makes my skin peel, but I realize I'm in the minority, and if you like it, it's worth making it last.
Please tell me about any sewing-related communities you’re subbed to because I want to make sure I am also subbed to them! (I love linen)
Oh that's easy (and probably disappointing): None. Not really a hobby of mine, more of an extension to doing the laundry and being a cheapskate who can't fathom buying something new when you can fix it in the time it takes to listen to a podcast episode.
All my clothes have creases on them. I do not care unless it actually ruins the look. Only then do I use the iron.
I fuckin hate ironing clothes
My mom ironed everything that came out of the dryer (and everything that came out of the washer went in the dryer)
I just run anything wrinkled through the dryer for about 10 minutes.
Just like that grandma looks like she is 25 again
But I do like ironing. I do it so infrequently, I associate it with getting all fancied up to go out to a special event.
And everything about it is so relaxing... The sound of the water in the iron, the hiss of steam. That clean smell, rising with the hot steam. You're forced to slow down and pay attention, if you want to get it right.
Whether you're alone or sharing the moment with company, it's a recipe for encoding a core memory, deep in there, pinned in place by multiple senses.
I came here to say this. I go into zen mode when ironing my clothes because I only have to do it when I'm either celebrating or doing something very important to me.
All these other things to worry about, but right now, my only enemy is this wrinkle next to the collar.
You guys don’t iron clothes?
I’m a millennial and I iron my clothes, how do you get the wrinkles out???? Teach me your secrets
Who said anything about getting wrinkles out?
My clothes have artisanal wrinkling.
Fold your clothes immediately after drying, while they are still warm. Also, dryers that can add steam really help if you've got a few things that need wrinkle removal. Also, handheld steamers are cheap.
Mostly, avoid needing to iron by avoiding wearing formal business attire.
I don't get the wrinkles out
Step outside into the heat and your sweat will instantly steam them out. Thanks global warming!
Hang your clothes in the closet.
The imperfections in the creases mirror my own uniqueness and imperfections
Don’t use the dryer on shirts and the like. Shake them a bit then hang them up to dry and let gravity do the work.
Don’t shake them too hard or they stretch. But hang everything absofuckinglutely immediately after they’re outta the washer or dryer. Like rn.
Why? Clothes need thermal treatment to kill bacteria and other shit.
Well that’s the washing part. Hell, most people I know don’t have a dryer nor anywhere to put one.
Washing is not enough to kill bacteria.
Well they come out visibly clean and smell nice. It’s not like I need a sterile outfit.
why do wrinkly clothes matter in the least? who gives a flying fuck about it?
do you polish your shoes too? i personally don't want to feel like a ken doll
Church? Really? Isn't religion on milenials' to-kill-list?
Out of all the things I've listed, church is the one that grabs your attention?
That and school uniform.
You wear wrinkly clothes to the return of Jim?
I did our boy Jim dirty
Learn to accept the wrinkles and wear them like a badge of honor!
I'm Gen-X and I hate to break it to you, we had permanent press well before we had Millennials.
I iron my tshirts and shorts otherwise they look crinkley
You could save yourself some time if you get your clothes out of both the washer and the dryer immediately after the cycles finish.
I don't use the dryer except for towels, and I'm generally pretty good about taking them out when they're done washing- can definitely tell when they've sat there a while!
Do you fold your clothes right after taking them out of the dryer, while they're still warm?
Fold‽
I don't use the dryer
Is everyone walking around with crumpled clothes? Or am I missing some critical life hack?
Shake out, hang when wet, never iron again.
Take your clothes out of the washer immediately, untangle them if necessary, and put them in the dryer. Don’t just dump all the clothes from washer to dryer. Remove the clothes from the dryer as soon as it's done while they're still warm. Hang shirts on hangers and put away the pants. Lastly, only buy new shirts and pants that are iron-free.
Honestly most the advice I'm seeing is basically an answer to "how to avoid clothes looking absurdly crinkled" but nothing gets clothes as crinkle-free as an iron. Most people are just content with some crinkles.
Not even iron-free shirts are free from my iron.
I line dry everything but socks n towels. Stuff practically irons itself
Ironing is really only required for "dress up" clothing, casual cotton clothing is generally presentable if you wash, machine dry and fold/hang while still warm. You will have a crease and it will resolve itself in a few hours. Polyester blends also come in several utility blends like the stain free, moisture dispersing and wrinkle resistant. I'm realizing reading this thread that some people iron all of their clothing, but in my home we typically only iron our formal occasion attire (rare).
On a tangent... Why are we still wearing ties? Buttons exist and are already included 95% of the time.
I thought they were there to cover the unsightly and promiscuous buttons
Slutty Little Tramps
As a chubby middle aged sales guy who remembers when we used to wear suits, I miss them because a suit and tie is about the best thing you can wear as a chubby guy to look good.
We've got a collective fetish for being lightly choked all day while in an air conditioned space and attending meetings about "north star visions".
Tie haters unite!
Dyslexics untie!
Ironing clothes died long before millennials. Grandma quit ironing before you were born. Wrinkle Free shirts and pants started showing up in the 1970's and were common within the decade.
Source: I was there.
Yep, old shirts came out of the wash looking like a fucking Calabi-Yau manifold, even casual wear.
Hey now, some of us like to iron patches onto our jackets of things we like!
There are fairly cheap handheld heat presses on amazon that have way more even heat distribution and are superb for patches and vinyl transfer.
I have to go back over and stitch in the edges on all my iron-on patches, might have to look into that if they'll do a better job.
Hopefully none of you are using suits lol
Suits are only for special occasions, and even then I'm going to get it dry cleaned and they can worry about ironing in the bastard.
Suits and other "nice" clothes are designed to enforce class separation. Reject them. Although you should probably wear them to a funeral or wedding anyway, out of respect.
Idk I like to wear nice clothes. Right clothes for the right occasion of course
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Oh shut it. Wear whatever you like.
On the other hand, wear whatever the fuck you want.
Or wear them to kink spaces, because dominating class separation is part of the game.
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In Silicon Valley it’s the the other way around. The wealthier someone is the sloppier they dress.
Iron a wool suit?
My wool suit pants can be ironed on low. And my shirt definitely needs to be ironed. Just check the label first
I definitely have clothes I still need to iron. If I don't iron some of my button downs, they have a lot of wrinkles and look bad.
I forgot I even had an ironing board in my closet. I haven't needed to use that thing in 10 years.
A proper hand held steamer all day.
Ok, can we talk about the hand held steamer for a hot second? I got convinced into getting one. Now, can you explain how we do:
Because it doesn't seem to do much for either
Thanks
Yeah... I'm pretty sure you need an iron for those. A decent iron can probably do everything that a hand steamer can so, might as well just go with a nice iron.
We don't talk about those 2 problems
Steamer game, represent.
I, for one, do like to iron. I'd probably not like it if it was mandatory for all clothing though. What really has happened is societal changes leading to much more casual attire expectations (not that we could afford to dress like previous generations) alongside advancements in textile technology that have resulted in garments less likely to show wrinkles.
Sometimes I iron. Someone mentioned school uniform and yes.
But mainly I look at say a t-shirt and go "Meh" shrug and throw it on. Bang a leather jacket on and nobody knows it's wrinkled and they fall out.
Now we're having our 1 week of summer in the UK I'm having to iron my t-shirts because it's too hot for my jacket, but it's only a week.
as a swede i am legally obligated to vomit at the idea of school uniforms
I hate them too but unfortunately the vast majority of schools require them. It pisses me off how much time and energy is spent enforcing meaningless rules.
I am not Swedish, but I would like to join you in the procedure of vomiting at the idea.
Nothing like making the masses complacent since childhood by controlling nonessential fashion choices.
The good thing is that you don't have all these toxic, wealth-dependent, brand-indoctrinating capitalist, environmentally destructive fast fashion pressures for kids.
Choosing to wear my favourite color to school isn't "brand indoctrination". It is called being a free individual. If parents can refuse to buy their kids non essential, unaffordable electronics they can refuse to buy them fast fashion branded clothing. The solution to capitalism being shit isn't simply eliminating choice.
Can you do precision vomiting into Putin's bunker? Asking for a friend.I very much agree with you.
Try hanging them and watch the wrinkles fall away. Other ways you could always get some of those sport tops that breath. Should help with the heat.
I think gen x did that... You're welcome.
Ironing is the only time of the week where I have the time to watch TV or movies. Not that I don't have free time, but I usually spend it in other ways. During ironing, I'm a captive audience. That said, I don't iron all that much. I remember the last season of The Boys took me four months to finish...
If push comes to shove, I sprinkle some water on my clothes and run them in the dryer for a few minutes. The wrinkles are gone.
Unfortunately the kids school uniform needs ironing, and my t-shirts are always way more creased when they dry on the washing line outside than when they've been in the drier.
Nah they don't. No clothing needs ironing.
Wear it for 10 minutes and they both look equally wrinkled whether they were ironed or not.
Na, they can definitely look worse! I had one on the other day that I didn't iron and by the end of the day it still looked terrible, more so than if it had originally been ironed.
I still use a steamer on some clothes
I have an iron but no ironing board so I used to do it on my desks when trousers were really too wrinkled, but it's been over a year since my desk has had enough room for it, I just don't know where to put the stuff and don't have time for that.
The number of times I find myself plugging the iron in behind the TV and then holding an old Amazon box against the wall and juggling my pants while I iron because I'm in a rush and that's the available outlet plug and space.
Not a millenial but the only time i get an iron out is to declump the pocket flaps on my flannel shirts
I’m pretty sure ‘Declump pocket flaps’ is in section 1 of the Apollo Launch Configuration checklist, right before Lint Valve Override.
Could be but mine are forever earthbound
You're welcome
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I own an iron because after washing fabric, it gets wrinkles.
Do you know how much a pain in the ass it is to sew wrinkled fabric? Flat and smooth is the easiest way to do that.
Sewing is the legit reason for irons.
A steamer, Iron and that wrinkle spray stays close. "We", nope.
Who is we
Millennials.
I'm one, and the SO is a Zillennial; neither of us own irons. Just don't see the point. Dryers are fairly effective wrinkle removers, and any remaining creases will eventually come out simply by wearing the clothing.
I iron for the creases!! I understand why many people wouldn't have use for them but I like having crisp collars on button downs and polos and a slight crease to certain khakis
By "creases" I meant wrinkles. I have this weird quirk where I don't like reusing a word too many times in a paragraph, so I'll try to find a synonym.
Did you even notice how many times you said 'I'?
Shit.
I knew what you meant by the context, no worries
RIP anything made of linen.
We don't own anything made out of linen, lol
Regardless, delicates get air dried. I live in a "right to dry" state (i.e. it's illegal to ban clotheslines here), but even if I didn't, you can always hang them over the shower rod.
I think what this meme misses is, largely, clothes in the west are now designed to look as if they have been ironed if hung up properly to dry
This is absolutely not a pet peeve of mine that we didn't just stop ironing due to the lack of social convention (brought on by less time in working people's lives and less domestic labour done in the home by women) but by new technology in the area of clothing
It's right out of the dryer and hung up. Also, steam dryer is amazing. Only ironing is for button ups.
I still have to put up with it a little bit but I made it my life's mission to avoid it as much as possible whilst still being part of mainstream society. I'm so glad that this meme indicates that FINALLY other people are not only not doing it but also denouncing it as much as I have. I've had to hold back on bitching about how stupid and irritating it is because it was always something everyone else seemed to have viewed as a mundane, at worst neutral and at best good aspect of everyday life that wasn't that hard and gave you nice looking clothes. You can't complain at length about something that is considered in those terms because you just come off as a boring crank. But now finally, if only for a moment I can still feel normal whilst embracing my abiding hatred of the pointless and time wasting practice.
FUCK ironing, and especially fuck whatever dipshit came up with it. Before this was invented wrinkled clothes would have to have been but a fact of life. I'm near certain whoever did come up with this was someone who knew they personally would never have had to do it. For centuries it would have been palmed off on the usual people that had to carry out the shitwork and now, in modern times, we didn't jettison the practice along with the sexism and classism that forced some to have to do it and not others, we just made it so that now we all have to do it. It delivers no benefit, it's so fucking stupid aaagghh! Because of the conventions and expectations that formed around it, I'm unfortunately forced to participate in it despite my misgivings, even if only on the bare minimum of occasions. If I have a job interview, or I'm going to a fancy event I have play in to this ridiculous farce that is noticeable only from its absence and help perpetuate it. I sincerely hope this generation really has managed to abolish it and it's only the remnants of my own upbringing and peers that mean I still have to occasionally do it because the world will be objectively better off if no one ever does this again.
Ooops. Millennial here and I often iron my bed sheets. I have a weird ventless washer/dryer combo thing, and no matter how quickly I pull my sheets out or what dryness level I set it to, they come out quite wrinkled. I don't really mind if the main sheet is a bit wrinkly, but it drives me nuts when the top edge gets all folded, and then those folds become permanent creases.
I don't actually do anything about it, but I don't like the way some sheets get that top hem all wrinkled either, so I honor your commitment to making the thing that matters to you better.
And that is the con of having a combo. They do a much better job as separate appliances. Kinda like... All season tires. They do neither well.
Yep. The dry cycle also takes about twice as long, but supposedly it's more gentle on fabrics. It's a pretty nifty option for small spaces without a way to properly vent the dryer, but I can see why they're not more popular. The machine came with the place, so I didn't exactly choose it, but I hang dry most stuff anyway, and definitely prefer it over dealing with shared, coin operated machines.
I like ironing my clothes though and if you show up to a formal family event with a shirt that looks like you rolled around in it, then I will offer to iron for you before the next time.
Ironing is for crafts and sewing.
My clothes only get wrinkly if I get them wet and then let them dry being all balled up so I never really ironed even though I grew up with it being a thing. The only thing I use an iron for and the only reason I even have one, is for applying those heat-activated designs and patches (though I usually tend to also sew the patches on because that heat glue often suuuuucks).
Imagine naming you iron "utopia"
Man, I iron all the time. I'm not like, ironing underwear like a crazy person, but I have a lot of shirts that would be straight up unacceptable to wear to work without it. It takes like 2 minutes.
I don't usually wear dress shirts to work except for big presentations, but how on earth does it only take you two minutes? Are you only counting active time ironing? Or ironing 10 shirts in one session and giving the per-shirt average?
Start to finish, from getting out the iron, plugging in to start up, setting up my ironing board and laying out a shirt, waiting to heat up, ironing the shirt plus flipping it around and ironing again, then putting everything away after the iron cools down, it's usually like 15-20 minutes for me. Maybe you can do something else when the iron is heating up, but it still seems like at least 10-15 minutes. Still a short enough period to not be a huge hassle once a week, but way too much to do every morning.
It really isn't that hard. It takes about 3-4 mins to iron a dress shirt to look pretty damn good compared to doing nothing for it at all not including the time for the iron to heat up. I also save time by using the steam button heavily and not being afraid to throw on a slightly damp and warm shirt. Still, when I decide to change my shirt right before I'm walking out the door and I only have 10 mins or I'm gonna miss my train I still always have time to throw the iron on and give it a once-over. Like yeah if you want all your garments absolutely perfectly ironed it might take a little longer, but you might just not have the technique down from lack of practice. For the record I'm gen z so idk if I'm just weird or if the meme is maybe not as universal as some think.
I leave the whole thing set up in the guest room so I don't have to mess with it, and I'm a woman, so most of my dressier tops are less complicated than a men's button-down. I plug it in, wash my face, and it's ready to go, and it really is only about 2 minutes to actually iron. Maybe twice that if it's a particularly finicky fabric (which I'm slowly eliminating from my wardrobe).
Or also have chad 230V iron instead of weak 120V.
There’s the great trick - you really didn’t.
... You don't iron your clothes?
Do you just go places looking like you just got dragged through a bush backwards?
Yes and yes
I’ll take my clothes to the cleaners if I need to look fancy. They do a much better job anyhow.
man if your clothes look dragged through bushes i think you need to reconsider your washing and storage routine, my clothes just have minor creases and the fanciest part of my routine is rolling things up before stuffing them in a drawer.
... You don't get dragged through a bush backwards? In this economy?
Ironing kills bacteria, but if you somehow else do thermal treatment of clothes, then fine.
Hang them in the sun, the UV radiation kills most of the germs
Wash them with normal detergent and put them in your wardrobe. The lack of nutrients and water kills them.