What are some conspiracy theories you absolutely believe to be true?
Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
Was reminded how Epstien not killing himself was/is so accepted yet it’s still a conspiracy theory. Is there any similar ones you guys believe to be completely true ?
MLK was killed by the US Government/with Government warning and approval not because of his policies on race, but because his message was getting (though somewhat always had been) socialist/anti-capitalist, and between the historic fear of slave revolts, the new fear of communist revolutions, and the monied business interests not wanting to cede any power they ended MLK to prevent potential calls for a social revolution.
It's insane how many left leaning leaders were assassinated. And it isn't a coincidence that it was during the red scare. What we KNOW about McCarthyism is crazy enough, now think of all the stuff they wouldn't say out loud to fight the "red menace."
J Edgar Hoover wanted to round up all the "leftists" and put them in camps.
I put quotes around leftist because simply not hating black people was enough to get you on that list.
Fun new things keep coming out.
People are so unaware how common politically motivated murder was in the late 19th/early 20th century in the US. Our country is rittled with shallow graves belonging to labor and civil rights activists. Wikipedia for example has a list documenting anti-labor murders totaling just over 1100 that we know of. Much of that violence was especially targeted towards black labor organizers.
In both the BLM movement and OWS, leaders and organizers were still meeting untimely deaths and I don't think the clandestine agencies of government have changed enough, (or at all), to rule them out.
Also tupac and biggie got removed becuase they spoke about things elites didnt like to be replaced by the prosperity rap clowns to worship them and their money to the plebs.
That ones not really a conspiracy. We know the FBI did it.
People just don't care, which is the most fucked up part
That doesn't make it not a conspiracy, it makes it not a conspiracy theory. Instead, it is a factual conspiracy that is just not well known.
People care, but what are you going to do? Until the majority is ready to violently overthrow corrupt institutions you’re stuck with it. Now getting the majority to agree on which ones are corrupt… hoo boy. Good luck, America.
Just the boring one: That all the exciting conspiracies (and other stuff like "culture wars") are there to distract from the banal reality of most people and the world being exploited by a few selfish assholes.
Seems pertinent that US politicians suddenly mentioned a totally reliable account about possible aliens just as people's unrest over their cost of living and the excesses of the wealthy has been rising.
Exactly. It struck me that they must be diverting attention from something when they came out with the alien stuff
You don't need a shadowy conspiracy when you make it legal to bribe politicians and write the laws for them. It's all done out in the open. Regulators and board rooms have revolving doors for the same few people, and they all make insanely disgusting amounts of money while the rest of us suffer.
I'm not saying a few people fucking over the rest is a conspiracy theory.
I'm saying that all those conspiracy theories people love to discuss are pushed to capture the attention of those people and have them think they're involved in something important and spend all their energy on that, so the assholes can keep on fucking them over without much resistance.
It's interesting that the big "revelations" of conspiracy are things we jokingly referenced and always kind of knew:
Movie executives forcing women to sleep with them or be sexually assaulted to be able to work in the industry.
The catholic church sexually abusing children and covering it up.
Buying votes and Supreme Court judgements.
So what are we joking about now but not doing anything about? Russia owning an entire political party through blackmail? The Left is indoctrinating and grooming kids into thinking that their assigned-at-birth gender might not be their real gender and that non-heterosexual and nonmonogamous relationships are as legitimate as those Ordained By God and that pregnancy planning, prevention, and terminating is a women's health care issue between them and their doctor and nobody else (I mean... yeah. I guess that conspiracy is openly true and not really a conspiracy but an openly stated goal, and not that we should be trying to prevent or stop it).
Trump conspired against the USA.
Fact. Not a theory.
in the United States of America you would be innocent until proven guilty. Yet, I believe he is guilty. And, to answer not only your question but also our friends here :
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Finally, I also believe he should be found guilty in many other such cases.
I agree. I think that he knew that Russia was going to attack Ukraine. (It is weird how trump got involved with Zelensky during that infamous phone call.)
Trump tried to get us (US) out of NATO so bad because then we would be free to use our military power in favor of Russia against Ukraine.
What I wouldn't do to have the transcripts of his private conversation with Putin that only one other US personnel, the interpreter, was allowed to attend. Just Putin, Trump, and the translator. No one else was allowed in other than Putins translator.
Try to tell me Putin wasn't giving orders or giving information to Trump that he expected Trump to use in Putins favor...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44883072
I suspect that Trump's taking national classified documents included these documents. Trump classified these with the highest of secret classifications at the time to hide them, and he did not dare leave them for Biden to get his hands on.
If Biden's administration could still could get these transcripts, they could have been redacted to take out the sensitive parts and been declassified. We are likely to not have all the secret documents that Trump took, still.
I can't see a situation where the US would have actively supported Russia, but it's 100% believable that our support for Ukraine would be significantly muted if Trump were still president. And this would almost certainly also translate into reduced support from the rest of NATO.
Trump being on the ruzzian payroll is not a secret. He's a puppet.
When he was elected (with the help of russia), he was brougt into a dark smoke filled room that smelled like sigarettes and cheap vodka, with a dosen men was sitting behind their desks. He couldn't see any faces. No words said before Trump said: "what's my agenda?"
I do not think that Putin would let Trump have that information. Trump would blab it, and Putin knows that he would.
Convincing Trump that America should realign with Russia to take down China (and Europe) a few notches is more likely. That was obvious when the Republican Party changed their platform concerning Russia back in the 2016 election. Putin still was being fed a bunch of BS by his intelligence agencies and thought that his little green men could again take over another small satellite country. If America had not started helping with training Ukrainians to defend their country, that would have been the outcome. Simply refusing to aid Ukraine would have been enough. Even our intelligence thought that Russia was a major military power at the time.
Which time?
Industries are making bad products on purpose to weed out consumers with standards, therefore breeding a crop of consumers that exist only to give their money to them if they ask.
That is exactly why Shein and Temu exist as far as I can tell.
I have no clue what temu even is, like what is it and how is it different than other sites?
It's not different than other sites. It's exactly the same as Wish or Ali Express. Extremely cheaply made goods that will probably give you lead poisoning with enough use.
Pound shop crap direct from the manufacturer
Yeah, it's stuff that shitty shops like Woolworths used to sell for £9.99 but it's £1 with postage included now and straight from the source.
You can get some total rubbish and you can get some generically shit stuff that's as good as anything else in the shops, there's great stuff too compared to other options but it's hard to find.
Quality is generally better for things designed for the Chinese market, they just sell overstock cheap where as the made for export is made to be cheap.
Really quality isn't a huge issue in manufacturing for a lot of things because everything is well within basic tolerances of the machines, is it's just a few bits of plastic and a PCB then they're going to come out the same from anywhere
From what I can see it's the new Wish
It's basically the same as AliExpress or Wish but with the junk being warehoused in the US instead of China. So you can get your junk in like a week instead of a couple months.
That’s just unregulated capitalism.
This is like the physical product version of the Nigerian prince scam - have something so shit that the only people who engage with you are idiots.
Can you clarify a bit?
Do you mean that they are trying to identify, corral, and market heavily to these low-standards consumers so as not to waste their time with the rest (analogous to email scams)?
Or more that they are progressively beating down our collective level of standard so as to make the cheap crap more broadly palatable?
I don't necessarily disagree with either, but they are pretty different, so just curious which direction you are going.
Is it a conspiracy theory if it's damn near verifiably true?
Basically all the stuff black people and leftists learn about Reagan. I’m not sure if it’s even still a conspiracy theory but his campaign made a deal with Iran to not free the hostages until after Election Day. They funded Nicaraguan contras by allowing cocaine shipments to inner cities (which led directly to the crack epidemic). Iran-Contra is obviously all accepted history but all the context gets treated as conspiracy theories.
Gary Webb, the journalist that exposed the Reagan Admin - Nicaraguan Contra - crack cocaine thing, is one of those “committed suicide w/ multiple shots” assassinations where the official story is so sketchy, you wonder if they were sending a message to other nosy journalists about what they can get away with.
He also closed (rather than overhauling/updating) mental health facilities, dramatically increasing the homeless population.
Dude if you haven't read it, Dark Alliance is about the CIA's cocaine contras and it's pretty eye opening.
Uh I haven't but isn't that written by Gary Webb?
Was there a massive behind-the-scenes NWO plan between billionnaires, old aristocracy and top politicians to fuck up the world, reduce population etc? No, the world ran its natural, chaotic course for most of history.
Is there this kind of conspiracy now?
ABSOLUTELY YES.
In 2023 it is not possible to have any influence and not be aware of the climate disaster. Anyone who does have big influence and does not act to mitigate warming and its consequences is doing it willingly and with full conscience. Doubly so if they act to worsen the situation. It's almost like the elites read some of the crackhead theories and thought "hey, this is actually a decent plan!"
It might feel almost like that but there's no conspiracy, just power doing what only power can: protecting itself. These people have billions tied up in fossil fuels; oil wells and coal mines but also the products which rely on them. Tesla is only profitable because it sells its carbon credits to carbon-reliant manufacturers.
None of these people would exactly be left in dire straits if we stopped using carbon fuels tomorrow. But they would lose most of their wealth and thus most of their power.
There are undoubtedly small-scale conspiracies, such as various oil companies covering up what they knew about global warming decades ago, or misleading accounts of emissions. But there is no grand (explicit) conspiracy, just tips and tricks and extremely rich people refusing to become merely rich. Even if it means planning escape bunkers and working out how to control the servants they will need to take with them when their money means nothing any more.
Yes. And they know protecting themselves means destroying lives of billions so they need to make sure the billions won't go after them. And since the masses are also aware of the situation it means at least short-term planning against the people. This requires at least basic coordination between interest groups and gradual capturing of whatever means of power are still left for the masses. Then they figure out how easy it is to wield even more power and off we go to the land of the tin foil headwear.
Id say we repalce millionares, politicians and all of the leadership with A.I. Im convinced that it will pretty much save us from ourselves, or at least from ashole leadership since they are not capable of making decisions for the greater good, specially when it comes to inequality and global warming. Democracy is a lie, we are playing a videogame and we are the little brother with an unpluged controler being made to think that we are playing, but we are not and the controller is just so that we dont riot.
AI simply reproduces the world it has obtained all its content from. It's not intelligent in any way, shape or form. It's a system perpetuator and it's not going to save you.
I'd put the cutoff between the "natural" history and emerging NWO around 1995. From whatever little I know the Clinton administration wanted to seriously tackle climate change and use it to reestablish the US as global leader in some regards. In 1992 the first attempt at global climate treaty was sabotaged by big business lobby and it kinda went downhill from there.
One of the first things Reagan did when he took office was take down the solar panels from the White House that Jimmy Carter had put up there.
https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
fascinating, and also good to have it all in one place.
the subtle bitcoin shill at the end is a cherry on top.
No doubt some bullshit happened in economic policies and capitalist influence, oil crises had their hand, but 1971 is conveniently 26 years after the end of WW2. Which means the boomers entered the job market and society for real.
The Powell Memo was written in 1971.
I believe that Russia has dirt on a number of prominent Republicans. Trump is a given, what with his shady Russian financing, his connection to Epstein, the tape mentioned in the Steele dossier. But I think that there were a number of anti-Trumpers who turned on a dime. Lindsey Graham, for example, was very anti Trump for months and then became his biggest cheerleader literally overnight.
I think Russia had planned to damage Hillary in 2016, but never imagined that their man Trump would actually beat her. I think when they realized they had their man in the white house, they went all in, and used every bit of leverage they had to help him gain control of the party.
This really isn't a conspiracy, it's pretty much just fact. The Mueller report was damning in showing the trump Russia connection. If we had sane bribery laws and a doj willing to prosecute it'd be a slam dunk. (Our bribery laws practically require an elected official while exercising their elected power to say "I'm doing this because of a sweet bribe". Nothing less qualifies). Literally half of it was dedicated to Trump Russian connections.
The Senate intelligence report on Russian election interference confirmed the Mueller report, that the Russians were working to get trump into office.
For Trump it's not so much dirt but he got a lot funding after he was a disgraced business man in the 90s that hasn't been sourced. I always thought he got it from Russia leading towards his allegiance to them.
Russia hacked RNC and DNC servers and released only the interesting stuff from the Democrats' servers. Never heard a peep of what they found on the RNC side but you can be certain it was way more shady than the little bit that came out about Democrats.
I think it's that information plus probably longstanding financial ties to Russian donors that keeps many Republicans under Russian influence.
Feds could have stopped 9/11, but chose not to.
As far as I understand they could have stopped it but it would have required them swallowing their pride and sharing their data and cooperating with "rival" agencies.
It was actually Sonic
Lmfao seems reasonable, hopefully he'll be held accountable
The Looming Tower is a fantastic mini series which covers the inter agency bullshit that allowed it to happen
Yah, not really conspiracy, but BS that allowed bad things.
The real truth of 9/11 is far darker than the idea that it was an inside job. It being an inside job implies that the Bush administration was competent.
I mean, Bush and Saudi families have been friends for generations. Doesn't seem too far fetched for them to work together.
We're either alone as an intelligent species in this galaxy or the great filter is true
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
Even with our current level of technology which has gone from first flight to landing on the moon in just 66 years we could colonize the entire galaxy in 200 million years which is a blink of an eye.
I think life is common but humans are special or we're fucked.
This is just extrapolating based on math, while ignoring the reality of the actual situation.
Even if we have an amazing breakthrough tomorrow, the reality of interstellar colonization is that you would necessarily be creating two different species by doing so. They would have very little reason to cooperate after a relatively short time. Space is huge, y'all. Communication would be cumbersome at first, and rapidly get worse as the two different species diverged, first culturally, then physically.
And that's even assuming that we would do it. You're basically asking a large group of people to sacrifice enormously for, at best, a marginal benefit. We can't even convince people to stop burning coal, and that's for our own enormous benifit.
Smack a religion on it and you're good to go
Oh boy oh boy, here I go, schisming again!
I get your point but it's only marginal benefit for our limited immediate perspective. Even if we stop actively destroying our planet, we are still at risk of catching a stray asteroid and that would be it for our whole civilization and most of life. We really need to learn better self-preservation at an interstellar scale.
Yea, we're talking about sending people out on trips that could last for hundreds/thousands of years, with no way to provide support or backup if anything goes wrong along the way, to go to other planets that may not even be habitable when they get there. We don't know if there's any other sort of faster-than-light travel even possible, so there very well may not be any space travel shortcuts. Chances are "the great filter" is just the astronomical distances between everything and so all life eventually figures out it's better to just stay home. If anything, maybe the best we can hope for is to convert all the mass in our solar system into a Dyson sphere and just wait out our Sun for a few billion years, that may be more realistic than travel to another star system (maybe slightly less impossible).
I like the theory that we're a precocious intelligent species. Like, although the universe is 13 whatever billion years old it takes a few cycles of suns going supernova to disperse the heavier elements to the point where a planet can form that will sustain complex life. Maybe the Earth is one of the first set of planets suitable for intelligent life to develop on, and although the Earth is 4.5 billion years old and there has been life on it for 3.7 billion years there has maybe only been multicellular life for about 500-600 million years. It took hundreds of millions of years for an intelligent species to arise once there was complex life and maybe even that was lucky, who's to say it doesn't "usually" take a couple billion years.
On top of all that, the universe is expected to continue forming new stars for another trillion years, so yeah, maybe we are one of the first civilizations at the dawn of the universe.
It's even more than that.
Imagine a dinosaur species was sapient, what do they use to fuel their industrial revolution? There might have a few scatterings of oil reserves but most of the fossil fuels we have were created at the end of their era. They'd have to jump from water power to nuclear.
We are in an incredible accident of timing and opportunity, and we're wasting the convergence of eons on a few centuries.
Good point! I'm just gonna riff on some of this for a bit cause it's fascinating. A sapient lifeform arising is not enough to guarantee a technologically advanced civilization. It blows my mind that there were stone tool making hominins over 3 millions years ago, well before the first human species. And the type of stone tools made by early humans didn't change for a million years. We take it for granted that technology inexorably progresses but does it even? A million years of basically the same technology. And then like you said, how many of our advances were dependent on external factors like the formation of oil, or domesticatable food animals, farmable plants, WOOD ffs, and on and on really.
And our species went through a population bottleneck at some point, homo sapiens have a strikingly low genetic diversity compared to many other animal species, some theories suggest there were only 2000 of us as recently as 75,000 years ago. We almost went extinct, and all the other homo species did go extinct, before even making it out of the stone age.
Also, jumping back to the formation of the Earth, a lot of assumptions about alien life developing rests on how many other "Earths" there must be but there is something possibly unusual about our planet. Our moon. Not just that we have a moon but that it was likely formed by a collision with a Mars sized proto-planet called Theia. We ended up with a moon larger than a planet our size should have. The collision also caused the Earth to tilt on its axis. So at a minimum without that collision we wouldn't have tides or seasons which seem like pretty important factors in spurring adaptations in life on Earth. Just having the extra mass helps Earth hold onto its atmosphere. Other effects of the Theia collision may include more water on Earth, more iron and other heavy elements, and more active plate tectonics/volcanism.
It's late and I'm not sure that last part makes sense after a couple rewrites but yeah, incredible accident and convergence of eons and whatnot for sure. Cheers.
Just thinking about this point for a second is really mind-blowing especially when you think about it with the added context that up until about 200-300 years ago, human technology levels were probably closer to the stone-tool wielders than it is to modern humans in an EV listening to music through a smartphone and navigating by a global satellite system.
Ooh that'd be a close call. Maybe though. I could see an argument at least. But at the same time... the 3 mya stone tool users were arguably closer to chimpanzees than modern humans, closest common ancestor being 6-8 mya. They probably couldn't make fire, didn't have language or clothes or make structures to live in. Even late stone age peoples were so much more advanced than that.
The agricultural revolution starting about 10,000 years ago would maybe be where I'd put the dividing point. Or bronze age 3,000 years ago?
But that might be underselling how much progress we've made since the start of the industrial revolution. I don't know, interesting to consider though.
About the rare huge-moon part - there's been a recent discovery of a pair of young, still-forming exoplanets sharing the same orbit in a young star system - "PDS 70"; one protoplanet is in the L4 or L5 "Trojan" LaGrange point of the bigger one. Physicists reckon Theia may well have formed in one of Earth's Trojan points, before being perturbed out onto a collision course by a third planet (thanks Jupiter)
So. While the planetary-collision-forming-a-huge-moon idea sure sounds wild, it might not be incredibly rare. Maybe.
We're still at the very early stage of knowing what is normal for solar systems.
Neat! Plug that into the Drake equation. Problem is everything in there is pretty much guesswork and estimates of the number of intelligent lifeforms capable of interstellar communication in our galaxy vary between 1 and like, 100 million.
I think that if it happened once it's bound to have happened many times but then where's the party at? Hopefully we are just early, maybe we can still be the host at least.
Or maybe there's a bunch of civilizations that are currently 10 million years into their timeline and just haven't reached us yet!
How is that a conspiracy theory? Surely that's philosophy/science extrapolation.
Whenever this comes up I remember the story of someone going to the Amazon and asking a tribe how to communicate long distances. Like future sci fi technology. They used drums to communicate so all they could come up with was really big drums that can go further than their current ones.
If they were looking for intelligent life they couldn't even imagine radio waves nevermind understand it or search for it.
We feel alone, but that's because all other intelligent life is staying away.
Nobody wants to meet meat.
Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is ultimately responsible for 1999 bombings, if you count is as a conspiracy theory that is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
Just like we have audio evidence that Russia shot down that plane back in 2014
https://www.gq.com/story/moscow-bombings-mikhail-trepashkin-and-putin
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and it happened again, and again, and again. russians get broke/angry -> manufacture crisis -> blame the outsider -> invade them -> putin remains a master strategist
I don't believe Lee Harvey Oswald managed to plan the Kennedy assassination all by himself.
It’s really odd to me that after all these years we don’t have any solid proof. It seems so bizarre and unlikely that he did it by himself but also equally bizarre and unlikely that it happened and there is no proof
The way I see it, if it was a conspiracy it was done in just about the dumbest way possible.
Moving target and you don't make sure there was someone to concretely place Oswald on the floor at the time of the shooting?
If it's the CIA/FBI/any of the 3 letter agencies, there were so many better opportunities when JFK was standing still on a stage
Please keep in mind:
The CIA and FBI are not, and have never been, good at their jobs. They do dumb and reckless shit constantly, both in the past and today.
Trust me I'm well aware that a large portion of their power comes from the doublethink of "they're incompetent fools" and "their power is limitless and they're all knowing".
Doesn't change the fact that even a bumbling idiot knows its easier to shoot a guy that's standing still than one moving in a car
For examples please see Fidel Castro
It was mafia.
I met a guy who was there, Sam Pate. He was a radio reporter covering the event. He said the storm drains were larger then and the killer went down, took the tunnels, and was on a plane from Love to Chicago by the time Kennedy was pronounced dead at parkland.
Over thirty people making videos it taking pictures in the plaza, every story and statement poured over time and time again in intricate detail... And we're still no where near a consensus opinion on what happened.
I think Oswald acted alone and got two shots with one making contact and the other hitting the curb. The kill shot was from a Secret Service agent who fell forward in a moving vehicle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortal_Error
Oh, the AR-15 got JFK too? Sheeit. /s
Two great books that touch on this: Dr Mary's monkey and Mary's mosaic.
Two different people named Mary, but both go deep down the JFK rabbit hole.
There is a cabal arranging to rebuild the US under fascism. I have no proofcicles or datacakes.
Yeah, it's called the GOP. The source is anyone with eyes, ears, and a functional brain.
it's the heritage foundation, the plan is called project 2025 and it's all out in the open at this point
I thought it was 2035?
Or am I mixing up the dates because it's speculated that without a very blatant push to consolidate power at any cost, the GOP will almost certainly never win a national election and even become a longshot to get control of either House of Congress with their current ideology after 2035?
Idk. I for one would be pretty cool with another paradigm shift and the GOP flys way to the left and the already center right DNC takes up the mantle of being the conservative party again. Power is power after all right? If they really wanna be the kingmakers, this would be my fever dream.
2012 is the end of the world
I certainly haven't felt alive since.
So this is dark, but... my brother died in 2012 and nothing has felt the same since so... slightly different reasoning but I've been saying this for years.
My partner died in 2013 and I feel like the world has gone tits up ever since, in a way he wouldn't believe. Like if it somehow turned out he'd been in a coma all this time and woke up and I had to catch him up on the last 10 years he'd tell me to fuck off out of here with this bullshit.
Now that you mention it, it went pretty downhill from then. Is this the underworld?
i have actually heard a theory that it did end in 2012 but that the infinite life parallel universe thing (forgot what its called but when you just go to a new universe when you die in the current one) was/is true
We're really hot right now because the earth is trying to kill us. It got a taste of peace during COVID and wants more.
I agree with the first point. Using our human bodies as an example when we get infected. It gets really warm. It's usually a technique used to kill bacteria among other defenses.
I don't personally believe it's some kind of "I got my peace for a brief moment and want more" thing. I just believe that we ramped up production after the COVID "recovery" period and we went back to business as usual at a rapid rate.
Absolutely true, although imo not necessarily as a conscious choice. It's simply earth's feedback systems. We cram all kinds of animals together and accidentally breed highly contagious viruses, which come back to bite us in the ass. We destroy biodiversity and now people in certain parts of the world have to manually pollinate crops, because the insects all died. Etc.
If all goes well, earth will find a balance again that still favours life (possibly not human life). If not, earth might end up like Venus. Not a big deal for earth, but a bit of shame of all this life we currently see here.
I get where you're coming from, but rather than the "earth trying to kill us", we are causing the earth to kill us through our own selfishness, willful ignorance and greed.
I believe the military is covering up something about UAPs. I doubt it's aliens but they know or should know more than they admit.
It's always just US spy craft, foreign spy craft, foreign craft of unknown purpose, weather balloons, weird atmospheric shit. Also: instrumentation fucking up/data corrupting. When you combine the instrumentation with any of the former, it doubles it.
Absolutely agreed here but I wouldn't even consider that conspiracy, I think documents showing UAPs even admitted that. It being extraterrestrial would be the true WTF moment.
I think it's bogus and they're using it to distract from something else, just like they used the culture war
100% it's bogus. They aren't using it as a distraction for any specific thing. They are using it because qanon and Jan 6th scared the shit out of the government and this is a way to keep conspiracy theorists busy.
some of the OG UFOs were in fact prototype B2, alien technology is just catchier story than (boring for most people) new warplanes
I don't even think it matters whether or not Epstein killed himself. Because even if he did, there was too much incentive for those in power to build in the conditions to make it easy enough to happen. IRCC, he was on suicide watch. There had to be intentional negligence to allow the suicide to occur and it seems unlikely that no one attempted to tip the scale in favor of allowing it to happen.
I agree! I keep saying the same thing. I think he was allowed to kill himself. They put him on suicide watch as a suggestion to him. That way their hands are washed of him by his own hand.
Agreed! The broken bone in his neck is fairly common for hanging, especially when the person is older. I believe the real conspiracy is that they let him do it not that they did it to him.
Epstein didn't kill himself.
9/11 wasn't an inside job, but the American government did cover up their failures to prevent it.
I've heard some speculate that Al Qaeda had placed explosives or fuels inside the buildings in advance, suggesting that they had access to them days or weeks in advance. If true, I can absolutely see a campaign to cover up their failure to prevent it.
Half the conspiracies about 9/11 are from people not having the basic understanding that they collapsed the building after the fact as a desperately needed safety precaution.
Like no shit they used demolitions tools capable of taking down steel. You can't leave it to fall on its own whenever that happens to be.
Are you talking about 7? Don't remember if that was the building number, but the one that wasn't hit? I assume you don't mean the twin towers.
Especially not on lower Manhattan. I could maybe see a reason to let them fall down on their own, if they had been in the middle of a gigantic empty field, but never inside a city, fall the wrong way there and they can bring a couple of blocks down with them.
Epstein not killing himself is not a conspiracy theory unless you are elite pedobear who did it lol
I don't think a sexual predator avoiding being held accountable for his crimes is that far fetched
except that the guards conveniently both fell asleep, and the camera malfunctioned all at the same time.
Sadly, general incompetence and buffoonery is far more widespread than you think.
Epstein isn't even dead
Interesting theory. In order for this to work he'd need to mastermind the operation to fake his death. He would have to, at a minimum:
Obtain a suitable body and some kind of face mask based on his likeness.
Convince the two guards to malfunction the camera, move the newly acquired body into the cell and stage a suicide, then fall asleep.
Find a way to escape the prison, obtaining a suitable disguise to aid in the escape.
Grease the palms of the medical examiner to look the other way when the body is examined post-mortem. May also need to bribe other officials as well.
Obtain means to escape the country (probably the easiest part of this entire operation).
If he can't go back to his Island, purchase another one. Perhaps get cosmetic surgery so he doesn't obviously look like Epstein.
Keep a low profile for essentially the rest of his life.
Yeah. He has his blackmail and beneficieries so there's a ton of powerful people to make that happen
Also there was the "wrong ears on the corpse!" situation.
I like theories which are plausible yet also stupid.
All that Q shit is real. There’s a pizza shop basement somewhere in the DC area where republicans are raping kids & doing all that other weird shit.
Except the pizza shop is a church.
Lmao
Every accusation a projection, but fuck that's dark and specific.
Why would they go there when they can get delivery?
It's not delivery it's d'neighborskid.
I'll leave now.
damn bruh
At first I thought you meant you are a Q supporter than I realized you're saying every accusation is an addition of guilt.
Its like those staunch anti LGBTQ+ Republicans who get caught with a "wide stance" at the local M4M glory hole
Wasn't the story that the Democrats were doing it, or are you saying those that do, accuse others?
I think it's more a case that every other thing they've accused the Democrats of, at some point in history ends up being true for Republicans of one sort or another. This is the only accusation that so far hasn't appeared to be a projection, I think the poster suspects that it is, we just haven't found it yet.
Bingo.
John McAfee is still alive
A cabal runs the world. Every market becomes a monopoly or a cartel in the absence of regulatory forces. There’s no world police, therefore the Rothschilds, Carnegies, Mellons, etc. would have coordinated to divvy up territory and install puppet rulers. They’re not going to waste resources competing when they can cooperate. They stay out of the public eye so they don’t get targeted and don’t have to suffer the burdens of being famous.
The issue with this type of conspiracy is that it seems a little too optimistic. If there was a secret organisation with the power and cunning to control the entire world in secret, then you'd expect they'd do a better job of running the place. Right now, the economy is in shambles, there's wars just about everywhere, and the planet is on fire. I doubt anyone who can put the world in a condition this bad could keep a secret from literally everyone.
When the economy is in shambles they buy-up assets at a steep discount. Wars are big money-makers too. It looks like things are going great for them.
I'm not denying there are rich assholes who profit from disasters, but there's no master plan. There's no group with total control over the world. The vultures are pecking at the same carcass, but they definitely didn't kill the beast. If they were strong enough to kill it, then why are they fighting each other over the scraps?
The conspiracy is a pipe-dream that there's someone in control of a world constantly thrown into chaos. It's a belief that the pilot is in control of the plane and this turbulence is just them having a bit of fun, even as the engines catch on fire. I'd love to be idealistic enough to believe this could be true, but I can feel the heat coming off of the engines and I can hear the pilot yelling at his co-pilot about who gets to fly.
That may be, I'm just dismissing that "assets are cheap" is evidence that there is no cabal. I'm not sure who is fighting over the scraps- Rothschilds and Carnegies? I haven't heard of that.
I don't know about "pipe-dream". There are organizations we're aware of that literally control economic conditions of the world such as the Federal Reserve. Do you remember voting for anyone on the Fed board? They are appointed by presidents. We vote for a president in America- but we can decide between the rep-party backed candidate or the dem-party backed candidate. If you can't convince one party to support you there is literally 0 chance to win in a "first-past-the-post" electoral system. I see a system of "checks and balances" but not one that benefits us.
I think that your scenario is more likely (which to me, is that what we're seeing is just the outcome of deregulated capitalism) but I wouldn't fall out of my chair to find that strings are being intentionally pulled by the people who control the world to benefit themselves.
They’re living high on the hog and don’t care how the sheep are doing. In fact it’s better for them if the sheep are in disarray so they don’t have the energy to revolt. And as another commenter said, constant war and economic turmoil is good for them because they can buy up assets and war profiteer to stay in control of the lions share of the wealth. They could totally run the world so it’s a better place for everyone but then they wouldn’t get to stay in power and live on mega yachts. Or in their private bunkers if it comes to that.
The pentaverate. Don't forget the Colonel.
Rothschilds are actually a fascinating family, almost none of the accusations thrown at them are born out in real history and a huge part of the stories are opposites - Alex Jones was yelling about them doing all the intentional slave trade, actually they lent the money to the British government to end it when all the other bankers refuse because they were outspoken campaigners against slavery.
Of course he's an idiot even for right wing conspiracy theorists but the more reasonable anti Rothschild taking points all stem from the same pedigree, it's like a snowball that's kept rolling. I'm sure they've got plenty of corruption in their past and present but the idea of them as this super powerful evil elite just doesn't really hold water.
Oh and I agree with your concept but rich people are too greedy to cooperate, they work together to fuck us over but they'd fuck each other over in a heartbeat
That’s interesting and good to know. Is there a good biography or show you’d recommend to read up on them?
I get your point about selfishness, but we still got the 5 Families mafia, and the cartels in Mexico. And the robber barons had to be taken down by the Sherman anti-trust act. Are the super rich above them somehow at a different level of selfishness? It may be true, that you have to be a sociopath at a higher level to be at the true top of the totem pole, that’s an interesting question. Unfortunately not something that’s easy to research for obvious reasons.
I believe there's definitely some shady stuff going down with Coca cola. [For those interested] (https://www.conspiracies.net/coke-conspiracies-capitalism-finest/)
In addition to human rights abuses, there's an entire other rabbit hole of conspiracy involving the drug trade, the DEA, the pharmaceutical industry, and foreign governments. Quite interesting!
I don't know how to link properly
Just need to remove the space between the [square bracket text] and (the parentheses text) -- the rest of your syntax was correct
For linking, I think you just have to remove the space between
]and(Apologies for sort of weaseling out of a committed answer....but I do think the Dead Internet theory will be true at some point, and that we're already on the way there. However, I don't think it's absolutely true right now.
We're definitely at the "self-digesting" phase of the internet. Content is regurgitated again and again based on what's already there. Currently it's only AI-assisted, mostly, but we're on the way to autogenerated bullshit.
Ironically, this post is itself a repost.
Repost are not an indication of the Dead Internet as long as human beings do it. Regular people don't expect each topic to only be brought up a single time ever. They want to add their opinion too.
I was responding to a comment about regurgitated content, though.
With the number of accounts being used to spread disinfo online, I'd say we're watching it become true as we speak.
Google already seems more full of AI generated blogspam than ever
You may have also seen the article shared here on Lemmy earlier that mentioned someone was publishing ai-written novels and impersonating real authors to get sales. The dead internet is spreading offline!
Whoa, this is one I haven't come across. What is it?
Basically the internet is made of primarily bot accounts interacting with each other and the majority of content online is not people interacting with people.
It’s a gross oversimplification of the theory, but I’m of the same mind. We’re getting really close to it.
So... Reddit
Is my Lemmy client busted or the parent comment is about Lee Harvey Oswald
I see dead internet theory
Might be your app (or it could be mine)
Yeah it looks good to me now. That was weird (bots are out to get me lol)
The true conspiracy is always in the comments, friend.
Small specialized cases of this have already been happening for nigh-on decades at this point (yes, the internet really is that old).
This article from 2014 describes the process of automated arbitrage in some detail, which was already happening back then:
http://www.dansdata.com/gz146.htm
In summary, some web retailer somewhere runs a bot to buy an item from someone else, mark it up, and resell it. When poorly managed, a bot run by one vendor winds up trying to pull stock from a bot from other vendor doing the same thing, and then that vendor tries to the pull-and-markup scheme on the first vendor. The net result is both bots getting into an infinite circular markup loop trying to buy the same item (which doesn't exist) from each other at an increasingly insane price. This only continues because no living person actually notices.
All your online interactions are with bots.
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Why do you keep saying that?
I love that someone explained unironically.
Idiocracy reference
I know, that the next part of the quote.
Does this theory even need to be true for the impact to have a similar result? The algorithms are doing all the heavy lifting whether the content is human or AI. We already are incredibly manipulated by the information we are fed by algorithms, whether they are human or bot.
After the Pandemics I believe nothing and trust noone.
This comedy-drama is all the proof I need that this world isn't real.
It all started with Harambe. A series of events each more ridiculous than the last. At what point will they finally realize it's all fake? Tune in next week for the next thrilling installment!
I don't necessarily subscribe to this idea, but everything seems to ridiculous to me at this point. Idk how to explain it, but I feel like there was a big change in reality. Everything is so different than it used to be. Not sure if it's just me aging and being more conscious of certain things, or if there was actually a change.
Things are off and idk how to explain it
There was a comment a few years ago, during the height of Trump and COVID, that basically said "You all remember when that Large Hadron Collider experiment went off and they said it was totally okay? You sure about that?"
I think it hits the same idea you've got. And I know this is crazy, but several years back (at a completely different time), I had the same feeling you're describing. I woke up with the feeling like there'd been a switch thrown and now reality was on a different track
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. The thread asked for conspiracy theories…why come in and downvote peoples thoughts
Because you can leave Reddit, but it doesn't mean that Reddit has left you... 😜
And while I appreciate the sympathies, worry not. I didn't give a damn about votes there, I certainly won't develop the interest for them here.
The world isn't real, or we're in some sort of low grade hell?
If we're going all in, I'd lean towards the low-grade hell hypothesis.
I'm more about "we're living in a make-pretend kind of illusoric construct, that is fragile and completely fake". All this, the law, society, traditions, possibly our history and more, it's all so manipulated that even the curators of this illusion no longer can tell how things are and were.
It actually was a weather balloon
Context?
I think TalkingCat is referring to the Chinese balloons that were recently spotted floating over the USA and into Canada, I believe. The Chinese government said they were merely weather balloons.
Thanks
The Chinese spy balloon from several weeks ago. I believe this one. Why would China send such a big, obvious thing to "spy"? They've got better ways.
I believe the NRA is involved in money laundering for the Russian mob and Trump ran for office to do the same thing, launder money through donations and by paying for advertising for donations with dirty money and getting clean clean donations back.
That our entire existence and the world we live in -our so called reality- is being manipulated in every corner. Whether its historical, economical, entertainment wise, food, you name it.
That honestly sounds like clinical paranoid delusions. I have a couple of bipolar friends who think this way.
my brother too. absolutely everything is part of an "agenda".
including the fact the stars are fake and we live in a concave planet. for reasons he can't articulate
That's very broad. Do you mean by some force outside our universe, or actors inside, possibly on earth?
If you mean this is being done by people I don't think human people are nearly smart enough to do this without fucking up constantly and blowing their cover.
A small part of me (not fully) thinks that COVID was a biological weapon that got out of hand from some pseudo dictator, there's too many of them and they aren't that bright/care to measure the consequences.
Came from a lab? Possible. But it doesn't really have the hallmarks of a bioweapon. It spreads way too rapidly. There's no functional antidote/vaccine/treatment. There's no preventives. It mutates waaaay too quickly. All things that remove control from the users. If you're going to bio-bomb a population, you definitely don't want major blowback.
I'd believe COVID was a bioweapon if the main suspect wasn't also the country that was hurt most by COVID.
And also, if COVID was a bio "weapon" its efficacy was really crap considering that the majority of people still survived it, even without medical assistance.
Heh. Survived but at what cost? 10% infected are temporarily disabled, 2% permanently. Unless you design it for battlefield, quick death is not a priority. In the era of directed refugee streams used as bargaining card at best, weapons at worst it's not hard to figure out, that disabling/incapacitating a part of population is a better long-term strat than going for decimation: you burden the social services and diminish the workforc. For the record: I DO NOT believe COVID was a weapon and I DO NOT believe it leaked from a bioweapon lab.
I actually read a pretty funny theory that claimed it was a bioweapon designed to function like a naturally occurring disease.
The basis of the argument was that it was used to rapidly disrupt the global market which would cause many large international corporations' stock value to drop, allowing China to buy out ownership of direct competitors or expand control for cheap.
In that sense, it would have been a perfect bioweapon because it absolves China of having manufactured it in a lab, and its rapid spread but low mortality did have the disruption effect that China wanted.
tbh though I'm still convinced it was just SARS's cousin that probably mutated in a bat lol
China didn't really benefit from Covid, so one would think that if that was their plan, they would have planned better.
chemical and biological weapons aren't useful for modern military and this is the reason these were banned, not any ethical constraints https://acoup.blog/2020/03/20/collections-why-dont-we-use-chemical-weapons-anymore/
Sounds feasible. What was the purpose of the wuhan lab again? It could clearly be a facade for bio weapon research
The industrial revolution is an illusion created by 14:th century wizards.
...Interesting.
Would you mind elaborating? I approach in good faith :)
No technology actually works, it is all a magical illusion. You may think a steam engine works with heated water and pressure; a computer with circuits and electrons; etc.; well, that is all gobbledygook, and what actually makes any of these things do things that occasionally seem useful is nothing but powerful illusion magic. If the assembly of mages decide to dispell the illusion, we'll be back in the middle ages. For one thing, it seems they never really got the illusion to work quite right for printers.
QAnon was made up by Trumps entourage to deflect the accusations against him.
Nah the Trump fanbois would gladly do that work for free. They're pretty communist like that
Yes, this is it. Most likely it was the South African guy who first said that someone had hijacked Q's account that started it. He couldn't admit he was behind the account or he'd expose and embarrass himself when CodeMonkey (Ron Watkins) took it from him. Then the Watkinses were behind it from then on.
The QAnon docu-series on HBO did an excellent job of showing that this is likely what happened. I'm super interested in that loony movement (as a spectator and worrier) and yet it still presented all kinds of details and info that I hadn't known. Also, Will Sommer, author of * Trust the Plan: The Rise of QAnon and the Conspiracy That Unhinged America* and the hosts of the QAnon Anonymous podcast (also spectator and worriers) think this is the most likely answer and they collectively know more than almost anyone about the subject.
In the end, it was sort of an accident that it got so big and they just lucked into it.
I can't prove it, but all this road contruction is a front, a con for money laundering.
I mean, it almost is.
The major construction operations know by now how to game the system and how to milk the state for as much money as possible to complete a project after intentionally underbidding it. The play is not money laundering, per se, since the money all comes from public funds. The con is rather to drag feet and rack up as many man-hours and the biggest most padded materials invoice possible to get paid more so the management can pocket the difference.
There was a scandal in my state where a big construction company did this blatantly enough that even the uninformed public noticed, and after the inevitable lawsuit a judge finally had to step in and smack them with a per-day fine until they completed the work. This was because it was discovered that they were intentionally delaying in order to run out of their originally allotted budget so the could come crying back to the state for more, under the assumption that since the job was half finished the state would be forced to capitulate. Turned out, it didn't work out that way this time.
I think this is less a case of a cabal in the back of some dark and smoke filled room, but more of capitalism mutating to its inevitable conclusion when the same players have had their same hand in the same cookie jar placed there by the same system for decades on end, with no functional oversight.
For proof of this just look at the Alaskan Highway. During World War 2 the Army built a 1,700 mile long highway from British Columbia to Alaska. There was zero infrastructure or existing routes along the way. Also they had to deal with mountains, permafrost, and all sorts of stuff using 1940s technology. Construction started in March 1942 and was completed in October of the same year. Or 7 months.
For comparison here in DFW they built an overpass between Hwy 820 and I-35W. No actual new roads, just a new overpass. It took them 7 fucking years.
The US actually makes terrorists, and by extension refugees. If 9/11 wasn't directly an inside job they probably let it happen or created the motive for the people involved.
Australia found an SAS soldier guilty of war crimes and were on video perpetuating a really nasty culture that almost certainly creates martyrs and needlessly extended our time in Afghanistan.
The SAS war crimes rabbithole is really depressing. It's almost an open secret at this point.
That trump is carefully placed and chosen distraction. He was allowed to run as republican so that they could use him as a screen to hide their real plans.
I can't honestly say I really believe it, not when the rest of it is thrown in, but that part I kinda, sorta think has merit.
The rest of the crazy is that he's not only a plant, but that the ties to Russia, the convenient invasion of Ukraine, and the sudden leap to the proxy war going on their now (rather than when Russia first started fucking around there years ago) is all part of a plan by the military industrial complex to rise to cold war era riches again, with a long laundry list of companies like Halliburton.
This is not a conspiracy theory I've seen on the internet (not yet anyway). It's one I've heard floating around at the shooting range I use that's lgbtq+ friendly. Which only matters because that's why I never expected to hear a conspiracy theory there of all places. I mean, a shooting range that's almost exclusively used by people a bit further left than Bernie Sanders and the local pink pistols group, and a local lgbtq+ shooting group unaffiliated with the pink pistols.
Like, people don't even discuss politics other than gun politics there usually. But the last three or four times I've been this year, there's a little clique that's been talking about it. I know them, and the is the first I've ever heard them get into this kind of thinking.
But that's the least bullshit "conspiracy" that I've heard that wasn't more of just a secret. Like, mk ultra shit where it isn't really a conspiracy, it was classified, and there's a difference between them.
Kinda related to this, but we know prior to the 2016 Russia hacked the DNC emails and only really released info about them talking shit on/working against Bernie (potentially the most damaging info/most helpful to get Trump elected).
We also know that they hacked the RNC, but didnt release any info from it. And we also know the NRA was receiving Russian funds and then donating to Trump and other Republicans.
So it isnt far fetched to believe that between the carrot of campaign donations and the stick of leaking sensitive RNC emails Russia was attempting to force the RNC to force a potential Russian asset in power to cripple/break up NATO to continue Russia’s expansion into Western Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa.
Imagine the lack of support given the invasion of Ukraine if Trump were president. If anything Trump would jump on recognizing the gains as Russian territory.
I honestly believed trump was a democrat plant to guarantee Hillary one.
They're going to reveal the whole trump presidency was fake any minute now.
Right guys? Please?
It could make sense when compared to Brexit. The brexit referendum was supposed to be a 4D chess move from less insane Tories to shut down the new populist party and more radical conservatives. Instead we got shady meddling, "leave" won and they were actually forced to do it and shoot their both feet with a cannon.
Maybe the established powers in the US wanted to use Trump to channel extremism into him and have him lose to get rid of the sentiments. Instead some shady meddling happened etc.
russia?
I maintain that his initial announcement of his candidacy was more a publicity stunt than anything else.
Then he realized he could actually win
That would have been hilarious. Or hillaryious, I guess.
Sure as hell, nobody I knew (even the die hard republicans) thought he had a chance in hell at the time.
Mark Zuckerberg a Lizard King
Non-human intelligence has been around on earth for a very long time and the government knows a lot more about them than they would have us believe
Recently been seeing few American military and govt personnel coming out providing testimony against higher level of secrecy within the system. Is that actually stirring anything
Like from another planet or from this planet?
There is a huge hairy intelligent creature that roams the forests of North America. The government is aware of it's existence.
That's my uncle Charlie. Don't mind him.
leave Ben Kissil alone!
I saw a large barefoot hobo footprint on the snow in my lawn once.
It doesn't have a name, not like an actual birth name but like a species?
Steve
The Italian aliens.
Italians are aliens?!?
🤌Italien🤌
So many UFO landed there. Coincidence?
Is this the pancake story?
A secret service agent fired the kill shot at JFK when he fell forward in a moving vehicle.
What's the significance of falling forward in a moving vehicle?
An argument to convince people whose physics knowledge stops before Galileo?
He forgot to mention that the theory is that it happened on accident. Thus he fell forward, causing him to misfire
I take it further in my belief that it was entirely accidental.
Imagine being the guy that has to carry the fact that they accidentally killed the youngest president in US history
Oswald shot JFK ... but he was aiming for John Connally, against whom he had a grudge because he believed Connally had blocked Oswald's request to have his dishonorable discharge expunged after he returned from the Soviet Union.
Watch a 2 part video about his assassination, this theory is complete bs
a next level civilization moved here and lives in the ocean doing their thang. and we have to use super fancy machines to even notice them.
Someone recently watched The Abyss
And the oceans are too cold for them, so they are pushing us towards global warming, right?
I belive there are aliens hidden in Area 51 and there is a secret tunnel network across the US that let's these aliens move without being seen.
9/11 was a huge conspiracy and one of the easiest to see through in my opinion.
I don't see the US government perpetrating the attack. I could see the US government getting good evidence it was going to happen, and just... letting it happen.
The former requires a whole bunch of people involved that would need to keep their mouth shut about the things they did. The latter can be completed by simply not doing anything (someone in charge saying someone else will look into it, treat it like a hoax, or just file it somewhere and otherwise do nothing). If they wanted some major attack to go through, a couple loyal (to the agency)
sociopathspeople already used to working in highly confidential operations could drop some suggestions and assistance into a terrorist cell and then sit back. It's possible and knowing what we know about the government is not outside the realm of reason. Still, with no evidence of it, it is purely speculation, and believing it is an enormous leap from it being treated as a thought exercise.The conspiracy theories that involve a bunch of workers installing explosives through the towers, etc, are unnecessarily complicated and implausible.
Most if not all of the privacy related services (VPNs, Tor, etc) are compromised. On the plus side, I think that pirating media with those services is completely safe.
No plane hit Tower 7
...people think one did?
Tower 7 fell like the twin towers did. But it wasnt hit.
If I remember correctly, I read somewhere that the building 7 was connected to the towers underground. That might have dealt damage to the structure with the fires and impacts. I have no idea if that is why building 7 fell, but it was a theory.
Much of the debate around the twin towers falling was the effects of how hot jet fuel can burn and its effect on the steel structure, with engineers concluding while it wouldnt melt, it would weaken the already damaged structure enough for it to collapse.
But again, no planes hit Tower 7, there was no jet fuel, and no damaged structure, making it a skyscraper collapsing purely by fire, which has never happened in the history of skyscraper fires.
That's because normally they're seen to by firefighters, but this one was left to burn for about 7 hours (as its was empty and their efforts were obviously elsewhere)
The Spanish former King (Juan Carlos I de Borbón) was behind 23F, the attempted coup d'etat during 1981.
The US, UK, Israel, China and Russia infiltrating my country.
I think between those 5, there's not a country on the planet that hasn't been infiltrated.
That doesn’t narrow it down…
Can you be any more specific? That narrows it down to "Not North Sentinel Island, probably"
All at the same time? What country are you from?
The south american country with huge territorial claims
Brazil?
Brazil doesn't have territorial claims
So we're only considering claims to land that is not possessed by the country. In that case I'd guess Argentina because Falklands.
I remember the first time i heard a right wing person tell me about Qanon. She was really believing it. I was speechless when she got done.
Let's say 1/20 believable conspiracy theories are true. If I disbelieve all of them I'll be 19/20 = 95% correct.
If I believe in one of them there is a 1/20 chance I'll pick the right one and be 100% correct and 19/20 chance I'll pick the wrong one and have two incorrect beliefs (one false positive and one false negative). 1/20100+19/2090 = 90.5% correct.
Feel free to correct my not even a napkin math. Or challenge the assumption that only 1/20 believable conspiracy theories are true. Or just agree and outsource the effort of thinking to someone trying to compensate lack of sleep with egregious amounts of caffeine.
Seed oilz baaaad!