Right? The first few days I was worried it just wouldn’t be the same, but the slower upload of content here has made me browse when I want to without over browsing endlessly. The less active comment sections means I can interact with more people without being buried…it’s just better. And I’m excited to see it grow
I think I’ve been afraid to comment on Reddit because I assume no one will read it or I won’t have anything novel to say. But I definitely agree that I like the smaller community here
I'm afraid to comment here because everyone will see it!
"According to most studies, people's number one fear is public speaking. Number two is death. Death is number two. Does that sound right? This means to the average person, if you go to a funeral, you're better off in the casket than doing the eulogy." ― Seinfeld
Quality has been dramatically better here than Reddit has been for many years. Finding people actually discussing the post in the comments is rare on Reddit, you have to sift through endless lines of off topic puns and memes being promoted by bots for karma farming. The goal of comments on Reddit is to be funny, not interesting or useful. The fediverse is more like Reddit eight or nine years ago, when they were figuring out their control algorithms, building their own bot network to game their own site (remember the subreddit where the reddit-built bots used to exclusively talk with each other for practice? I wonder what those bots are doing today...), and learning how to control the flow of information on their page while also finally making some things more stable.
I'm really curious if any parts of the fediverse can avoid the same pitfalls that Reddit eagerly jumped into. It's probably doubtful since once the advertisers get here, greed will win. It always does. But maybe.
I agree with you: I think decline of a site is an inevitability, especially after advertising is needed due to increased traffic.
But I personally don’t need Lemmy or anywhere else to be permanent, since what I get out of it is either transient (scrolling for memes and things that pique my interest) or meaningful enough that it remains with me, meaning enjoyable or thought provoking discussions.
Granted, I’d rather alternative sites not go tits up in rapid succession while the shuffling corpse they’re trying to ape continues to slog on mindlessly, but keeping the impermanence in mind makes it easier to see these places as areas to congregate rather than the end to surfing the web in general.
Am I the only one that’s browsing every…instance? (I’m still not sure if that’s the right word. Every community within Lemmy.world) just for the sake of having newer posts to peruse? Or are you all in active enough communities that your subscribed communities are offering up new enough content regularly enough to just browse those?
Oh I’m always in the All section. Still kinda wrapping my head around instances as a concept: mentally I think if it as a single room with a ton of cubicles.
I treat subscriptions more like bookmarks: communities that I want to come back to specifically, but I don’t just browse them. It’s more like going to a grocery store and being sure to get the staples but not ignoring the rest of the aisles. How else am I going to find a new interest or perspective worth keeping if I don’t look?
I’m browsing all instances, not just communities on Lemmy.World right now. Curating a subscription stack more and more every day. And more importantly, identifying and blocking communities I never want to see in my /all/ feed. It’s been great so far.
I’m not sure if I’m just browsing Lemmy.world. Still getting the hang of what instance/servers/communities/etc that I’m interacting with.
Yeah, the nomadic life does sound pretty appealing at this time. I've learned over the years that nothing lasts forever, and this situation is showing that things don't necessarily stay good for as long as they do last. What's new and great eventually becomes old and tired (including us ourselves), but there's probably still other new and great things out there (though we might actually see the end of that during our lifetimes, what with the end of the world looming).
I'll hang out here for a while until I stop liking it, then I'll probably hang out for a bit longer and then look around elsewhere.
I'm all for trying to be funny in comments for sure, but make it relevant to the topic and for fuck sake make it original. Spamming the same tired jokes and memes isn't adding to the conversation.
This has been my biggest complaint. Wanna read the discussion? Be prepared to dig for it. It's awful.
The largest thing I've noticed right now is there's almost no new content. Like at all. There was some repeating but not like right now.
I'm a mod and almost none of the small subs I mod for are transitioning off of reddit as yet.
I do need to learn to mod here....
Amen to that! I'm not a super prolific poster here either, but compared to reddit I'm WAY more active, and it feels mre fun too. In 15 years on reddit I have only made 2 threads as far as I can remember, but on Lemmy (and Squabbles) I've been sharing my house plants recently and it feels great!
Yes, the community is much smaller, but also much kinder,and I the average age feels higher here too (I have zero data on it, but just judging by the writing style it feels like there's a whole bunch of people roughly my age (40+) around these parts).
Yeah I definitely have the tendency to over estimate how old the people I’m talking to online are, but I agree that everyone here feels more like an adult lol
Quality over quantity everytime for me.
On top of that, I feel far more incentive to comment, upvote, and just generally engage here.
Overall this feels like a less hostile environment, without the clickish groupthink that had an army of bots or trolls out to downvote you.
People have mentioned the higher complexity of getting set up on instances as a barrier to entry for the masses. I say wonderful. I'll take a small community of diverse, engaged people over the mobs of span, trolls, and parrots.
Leaving reddit for lemmy feels like finding a nice person who cares after being in along abusive relationship. Never realised how bad it was, or how good it could be.
Is it temporary? Who knows, but I'd rather spend my time making this into what I want then ever looking back.
Yeah, it’s nice to feel like I’m contributing something as opposed to trying to muscle my way into a conversation that doesn’t need 10,000 of the people who are commenting, commenting.
"This!" - 1.4k votes
[Exact same comment being parroted, but with a much more extreme fervor about killing people who disagree] - 600 votes
"Wait. That's not even what the article says. We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions." - "You have been permanently banned from large subreddit."
That's an interesting POV I hadn't really considered before. I'll probably go to Reddit when I need some kind of niche info on something, but stick to Lemmy for just discussion and general time killing, which was my main use for Reddit anyway.
It's a shame how shabbily reddit's board and u/spez (and his lackeys) have treated reddit's users and mods. They benefited enormously from free content and hours of unpaid moderation, yet they chose to throw it all away.
This screams “Please stop this and go back to doing work for free.” They keep threatening but know they need the free labor.
Exactly. And it's driving me crazy how many mods are caving. Like, I get that you care about the community and want it to continue on, but will it even be the same now that you know how little control you actually have? Will it survive the next insane, profit driven decision Reddit makes and refuses to negotiate on? Just rip the band-aid off now like /r/interestingasfuck and others did and let them remove you. We've seen that they can't actually replace what was lost, so let them try.
but will it even be the same now that you know how little control you actually have?
Some communities weren't even the same anymore after those 48h protests. And you can basically feel which parts of the community instantly left the moment they realized all that talk about protesting was bullshit and it was purely symbolic.
"But if I lose my fragile grip on this iota of power, I'll have nothing, and I'll BE nothing. I can't start over again from nothing!"
I strongly believe that that is exactly what is subconsciously going on there. The human mind is addicted to power, no matter which form.
Them replacing mods is what scares me the most. My subreddit is for advice for stretching piercings. If I continued to protest or even outright deleted my subreddit, and they restored it and replaced the mod team, what quality of moderating should I expect? Like I get it on meme subs, not hard to moderate that sort of content. But I know damn well they aren't going to get people with experience relative to the more specific subs.
I get that, and respect it very much. You care about others and the community you've helped create. But Reddit is now actively exploiting that care for their own profit. Reddit draws value from your community and the advice it offers others. If that advice is poor then yes, people will suffer, but that's on Reddit for allowing this all to happen how it has, not you.
You can never delete a subreddit once created. Ever. That’s why many are editing, then deleting, their comments.
The best you can do is to create a community on Lemmy and invite your redditors to the new community.
If Reddit goes down, what articles will pcmag decide to write about then?
And what will people post on lemmy about?
I mean sure posts about Reddit makes us seem like the bitter ex, but they are to be expected, since it's the only thing all Lemmy users have in common: Being ex-Redditors. It will stop naturally with time.
Although, on Reddit we were always talking about musk and Twitter. Dumpster fires when the AIC (asshole in charge) deserves the harm coming to their profits and their website, it’s newsworthy and juicy content.
Although I do agree that it will slow to a trickle and then eventually stop. Not because the content stops being interesting to us, but because reffit will ultimately probably win in the end, they’re IPO will be profitable, they’ll continue down this enshittification road until FB make a Reddit competitor and then everyone that didn’t care about the API thing because they were too busy watching reruns of the Big Bang theory will move there. It’s the circle of tech life, eventually fb will own the internet
Though if Twitter goes under, I'm sure Facebook will have a hard time explaining why they aren't a monopoly. That has been taken seriously before.
Has it? In the last 30 years? White collar/corporate malfeasance enforcement has dropped like a fucking landslide in the 21st century.
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Post the rock. Please I need it
Just leaving additional peer pressure here. WE WANT PICS!
Hilarious! You gotta admit though, it's kind of like Watching Pawn Stars on the History Channel. Like wtf is this?
I'm disappointed how few subreddits are daring to call their bluff, or put their full weight behind migrating. It's clear they actually aren't able to replace moderators that easily.
r/interestingasfuck still doesn't have moderators. It's been closed for 18 days now.
not so easily to find free labor when you bully them right u/spez
Seriously. I never want to hear how hard it is to mod a subreddit with existing mod tools again. They've rolled over for spez (which is their right) and they don't get to complain about it anymore.
“We are now stuck in a difficult position as we do not want the community to die”
Feels to me like they dug their own grave and now complain that the user's are problem.
What are they expecting after they remove moderators and remove the nsfw status? That the users keep posting? They aren't dumb and I could imagine that some or most people will probably stop posting there.
They think people are there because they love the site. They forgot they love the site because of the content and community. Reddit management dug their grave and jumped in it.
There is a whole set of users who apparently think the mods are in the wrong and that Reddit is right. Whether these are real users, and not armies of bots using ChatGPT to generate content, is up for debate. (But they're definitely bots lol)
I very much fear there’s a lot of real people. Ones that act like asses and get banned from dozens of subs, then complain about mods being dictators or something. Others who think anyone can be a mod and they’re throwing a “”“temper tantrum”””. Others that think it’s just about losing apps with no ads.
It’s full of people who don’t understand, and don’t want to understand the extent of the problem, and I really doubt it’s all AI unless they’re actively giving prompts like “make a comment against the protest, but in the most entitled way possible”.
Honest question: Where are these people? I've never seen someone go to bat for Reddit the way you describe.
I've mostly seen it in r/ModCoord, where a lot of discussion around Reddit protests goes down. Lately I think the mods there have been trying to stop it, but it definitely shows. These are the ones I assume are bots, or at least some of them, judging by the way they argue.
The other random place I saw it was r/PokemonROMHacks when it reopened. People there were super critical of the mods, and I think it's mostly because they aren't users who normally use reddit and are only there to try to download and troubleshoot Pokemon hacks. To them, the mods making the sub private seemed incredibly selfish.
Some people I seen against the protests weren’t mods but users who like it’s futile and use the official app
For me I would agree with them but for me Apollo had a good thing going and all the lying and fun stuff whether it’s true or not is what drove me away
Pretty sure that quote was from the mods of that subreddit, not the reddit admins.
Why? Why would you want something you love to continue to exist on a platform that sees you as nothing more than free labor.
People are wayyyy to attached to thier social media identies.. I'm like a rat on a ship.. any signs of trouble I'm overboard to the next vessel.
I understand the veterans subreddit. While I never went to that sub, I assume it's a good place for veterans to come and help and support each other.
But the others like Pics or TIHI etc...yeah I'm with you on that.
Oh no, people are quite dumb. There's a lot still that are unaware or just don't care about the drama. I'd wager those people are the ones still on Reddit.
How does that make them dumb? If anything, the fact that they're indifferent to it just means they have other priorities in life.
TPA users were like 3% of the site, dude.
What are they expecting after they remove moderators and remove the nsfw status? That the users keep posting?
Seems like they're thinking exactly that. However, I expect many communities (especially niche communities) to revolt and start spamming unrelated content and straight up porn (or worse -- gore). The current mechanism is to replace the mods with supermods (aka the ones who moderate over 100 communities or something) but I wonder if they will be able to effectively moderate that shit without going private.
It's quite hard to guess what will damage reddit the most. I hope that many niche communities collapse and migrate, but the issue also lies in mainstream communities. One thing is NonCredibleDefence moving. Another thing is stuff like r/manga (which went for a blackout but didn't do much beside it).
Lemmy is good, I hope more people move here, but so far it's gonna be reliant on migrants from reddit and possibly twitter, which is not exactly a good plan
or else what? They'll bring in paid moderators to do an actual job?
There's idiots lining up out the door to get a taste of fake power.
The quality of the work is not going go be the same though...
Do they care, though?
I mean, they will when those same powertripping mods begin banning over petty things. That's how you get people to move from subreddits / Reddit.
That has always happened in Reddit. Nothing new.
That would invalidate their position as "we're just a platform and not liable for the things our users post". They'd have to take responsibility then and I'm not sure they've got the resources for that.
Fuck Reddit
You rang?
The return of beetlejuicing
yeee Fuck Reddit
I'd give you some type of award, but I dont think thats been established yet. Take some silver?
Reddit admins writing warning letters like I title project files. lastlastLASTFINAL-v1.3forreal.doc warning
What no proper version control does to a mfer.
What no proper version control does to a mfer(2)
"This is your final warning, please migrate to FOSS platforms"
TBH I Don't care about reddit now, I'm more into lemmy or squabble now. If its user base grows or declines I Don't care, I'm out of reddit and I'm not going back.
Yeah after getting used to the not-totally-assholes community of lemmy I'm not going back to reddit. The community there kinda sucks
You have been banned from [random large subreddit] for pointing out something that threatens the hivemind POV.
Honestly, that was my biggest problem with the community. Granted, that's great when someone is being a genuine asshole, but over the last decade or so, it has become a little ridiculous.
Honestly stopped caring about Reddit years ago. Mostly just used it to keep up to date on game releases. As long as I have a community-ran source for gaming news, I'm pretty happy.
Reddit are past the point of no return for me. They could reverse all their API changes but I'm not going back. They've show their true colours.
They’ve show their true colours.
For me it was the CEO's comments.
🤌 For me it was the advocating for death of delivery drivers (poor people)
It's amazing how fast Reddit went from my favorite place to be online to a trash heap
It's somehow worse than ifunny
this is sad when years of work, sweat and commitment wasted WITHOUT GETTING PAID to keep a community alive and full of information to get stamped and threatened by a dickhead
The final warning was enough to cause the moderators for r/Military—a forum partly devoted to helping veterans—to stop operating as a NSFW subreddit. “We are now stuck in a difficult position as we do not want the community to die,” the moderator team wrote.
Cowards.
I dont know what everyone was expecting. Enduring nonsensical rules, shitty working conditions and incompetent authority figures is about the most military thing there is.
Fr. Surprises me that military personnel of all people would be so fragile. Don't give in. Post "hey we're moving to Lemmy, see you there" and fucking go. It's 2023 going to a new site is the easiest thing in the world, it's not like 1999 where most of the forum would have difficulty doing that..
I mean, they've got their priorities right. It's reddit's fault that they're killing their own communities. We should try to reach out in subs like this and help them set up on lemmy.
"It’s not OK to show people NSFW content when they don’t want to see it,”
You know what else isn't ok!!!!! Fucking over the entire population of reddit users to churn over some short term profits!
I hope spez buys a yacht or something!
People still use Reddit?
The grand majority of reddit users have more in common with tictok users than forum users. The lowest common denominator is the biggest user base.
They doom scroll and satisfy their addiction, many are kids, they really don't really care about information manipulation, quality content, discussion quality....etc
So they will stay, and the niche groups, those that care and contribute in quality ways, tend to be pushed out.
I think it sure is interesting that data vampires exist but that they also don't care about the quality of their food.
I bet there are hundreds or maybe thousands of these data vampires on here right now scrolling and searching for the text and image based content they use to sustain themselves.
Gotta love the ones that are actually NSFW that they want changed to not. Naked selfies is pretty much the tip of the iceberg with Cyberpunk, with a lot of gore and violence and sex underneath. And there's some truly fucked up shit that I don't even want to describe that's there too, as a side quest continuation of main story events.
The reddit app is only marked PG and not 18+ in the Google Play store - maybe someone should let them know about the content that's not behind nsfw filters any more?
Not sure if it was just changed, but I see it has a Mature 17+ rating.
Funny but Reddit actually has executed entire mod teams, and will continue to do so
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Executed!? Damn, spez is more powerful than I thought
The game was rigged from the start.
They're going to have to stop at some point though, because they need moderators. The platform can't function without them. That's why they're sending these warnings in the first place, instead of just removing entire teams.
True. But there are tons of sycophant netizens who crave that tiny amount of power over their niche communities so that they can control at least something in their lives.
sycophant netizens
If they won't stand up for their rights then they aren't netizens; they're serfers.
Ahem, "landed gentry." :D
I wonder if public freakouts was told to remove the NSFW tag. That sub definitely should have been NSFW all along.
My sub did switch to NSFW after the API change, but its definitely one that qualifies to have been NSFW the whole time, as its a subreddit that features stretched piercings, including all types of genitalia. In our 'Final Warning', reddit claims that our sub doesn't qualify to be NSFW, proving that they didn't even check the content within.
NonCredibleDefense is also in that situation. Often the popular posts are literal war footage including death or sexual assault. Recently they changed it back to SFW to comply with reddit's request. Regardless of the content of each individual post, that subreddit as a whole is not appropriate for minors given the very nature of it.
He's taking marching orders from Musk now to maximize IPO time, gonna be no walls to any content - except to ban anybody who thinks saying racial slurs is tacky and outdated.
The only thing reddit cant do it stop people just not using reddit. All these protests really arent that effective as people leaving reddit and going elsewhere (hopefully lemmy tho.)
The (48 hour) protests just communicate that u/spez can fuck us over 363 days of the year. The only thing that will work is leaving.
He takes a break on Christmas and New Year's?
I’ve been gone for 15 days. I opened old.reddit a few times to see if the protests were working.
I haven’t gone on there at all in days and I’m fine with it. A little sad about it, but I’m fine with it.
Things keep getting better here and there aren’t so many people that having a discussion is like playing the lottery. Whatever I say, someone responds here. Someone sees it.
That’s nice. I’d like to see it grow, but not so much that everything you say gets lost in the noise.
Don’t really care what they do anymore tbh.
I agree. A part of me just wants to see Reddit completely death spiral because that means, people finally stood together for something and made a huge difference. That doesn’t seem to happen in my country so seeing it happen to Reddit gives me some hope that people do actually stand up for their beliefs somewhere!
lol i think reddit is fucked
You think?
We should direct everyone on Reddit to Lemmy. Then, (this is copy pasted, I'm not a bot) add an option to the third party apps for Lemmy so you can opt in to ads that support your instance and the platform. Force me to use your bullshit app so you can make more money? Fuck you. I came here from Reddit. But I'd opt in to ads to support something that is clearly better.
No ads, ads are evil.
Feed me a donation link.
And invest the donations to permanently power Lemmy.
Why can't we just pay them with money? I block every ad I can, because everything is better without ads.
If there is no option for paying outside of using me as a datapoint, I'm going to be a freeloader.
Also, respectfully to all those here gathered, fuck reddit. It's over. It doesn't love us and never did.
This is what fucks me off so bad. Tell me what I'm worth as a datapoint, and if I want to pay that directly to be left the fuck alone I should be able to.
So much this. I suspect there’s an issue around opt out making the platforms less appealing to advertisers. The people with disposable income to spend opting out of ads, might be exactly the ones advertisers want to reach.
That, actually, makes sense, it never crossed my mind.
More than that, it is trackers on which, probably, no one knows how much is worth.
I tried to use reddit and their official app for the last two days before today just to see how actually bad it was. It was nice seeing the communities that I had grown to frequent for the last 12 years. However:
I deleted that shit after the 5th "hegetsus" ad that I saw this morning. Fuck that shit and fuck that shit hard. Like, way to know your audience lmao. Never touching that app again.
ads gonna make people want to everyone in their instance, and btw the donations are enought to pay of the for the server(as lemmy.world admin said) and a few thousand more just to him
I just got bored with reddit trying to make money through their users.
Make all posts require mod aproval to make sure you comply with not allowing anything NSFW.
This is the way lol
I just read the article. I wonder how many bootlickers and corporate apolgists are going to say anything.
This is hubris is really good for the fediverse. I had a relatively piddly account at only 80,000 in karma but I I still closed my account. Good riddance to that last piece of corporate social media. The next thing I want to see is something similar to Pinterest in the fediverse space but it may end up being redunant.
I only go to Reddit now because of one or two forums that don't exist on here yet, But the more I see stories like this, the more I'm inclined to just say screw it and nuke my account.
Honestly, at this point, my plan is to nuke my account. The only communities on their that I really check that aren't on here have devolved into mindless rage-bait. Probably a so-long and good riddance situation.
No one regrets getting banned from digg.
I think the entire world should be nuked at this point.
Do it. I did it when BaconReader stopped working, if they're not going to do the bare minimum of caring about their users I'm not doing the bare minimum of caring about my content on their platform. It also makes it easy to not use it again.
i'm still using Reddit for porn, but for other topics i already spend more time on Lemmy. the switch is tough, but they definitely can be replaced.
Even porn looks more boring, not sure if it's just me or content really suffered from all this.
Are you sure it's not a natural result of increasingly depraved fetishes? :D
Gay porn suffered long ago from people just promoting their onlyfans. Annoying af.
That happened to all porn, it got disgusting.
I want to see real people sharing their sexuality, not people faking it for money.
Sincerity, the last thing you still can't buy.
It's interesting, the fakeness in porn is so conspicuous. I wonder if this sense of faking-it-for-money is a component that is actually conditional to viewing pleasure for sadists and misogynists, and maybe it's an indication that there are more people out there with those predilections than we might like to think.
Straight porn too
I’ve heard and have no source for this, but most of the bigger porn subreddits were basically run by people who had a ton of money trying to push their own content to the top to generate revenue.
Makes sense considering how 99% of the porn accounts had titles such as "WHOEVER LIKES THIS WILL GET SOMETHING FREE IN THEIR INBOX, TRY ME!"
Like damn, thousands of porn accounts made posts like this. Obviously they all hired spam companies to do it for them but what kind of ad company can't take the time to even learn the basics about the website they're advertising on? Really amazed me how few of the accounts seemed to actually be human, and even if human absolutely not the content creators themselves
Dude porn was working fine on rif untill like yesterday, i have a moded reddit app but i still refuse to use it. As a side note lemmymsfw is starting to be a good replacement (atleast for me).
I just got my data takeout request granted (110 MB) yesterday, so time to follow up with a GDPR request to then nuke everything. It's the only way to make sure.
And this is how I find out that my permanent suspension from Reddit- no reason given- from last week has magically reversed itself. Too late now. Fuck them.
They should just migrate to other platforms or join us. I don’t understand why would they stay on a website hostile to its users like this. They want to protest on the same platform that is the source of the problem…
Because Reddit is an addictive pattern. I’m still getting used to post-Reddit life. It’s been very very similar to quitting smoking for me. It’s been genuinely disruptive to my life. I get why people just want to maintain the status quo on their personal lives rather than figure out how to move forward
People get complacent and resist change.
I find it sad for all the useful information on that website
( which, if you come across, do repost it on a lemmy community! ) and the subreddits dedicated to helping others out. It would be great if we could build that on the fediverse, but I can imagine wanting to reach as many people as possible when you're helping out veterans for example.
I was wondering about this, whether just taking some of my interresting or more sucesfull posts and discussions and reposting them to lemmy communities, maybe even summarizing the best comments from Reddit, would be a worthwhile endeavor. If so, it would be best to not do it at once, but gradually over the next weeks or months.
But you are right, I'll definitely do that for obscure questions I had that were answered in a helpful way, so I can finally start writing "lemmy" instead of "reddit" after every google search.
Indeed for years now I always searched for say "best TV Reddit" and got good answers instead of advertising
It's funny that they think they can't be replaced. It will take a while but 5 years from now Reddit will be the MySpace of social news of they don't stop bullying their users.
Five years is too generous, I think. At the end of the day, Reddit is just a forum and forums aren't profitable. Unlike the time of the Digg migration, the technology and platform have been commoditized.
It could be profitable if they just stuck to the basics. Having 2000 employees is ridiculous, they're trying to do too much.
I think the next step is to announce privatization of subreddits. Take a week to get all active members approved and then go private until they take the protests seriously or the site just stops growing and dies off
Then the admins will just override them and force the subs public. They’ll also remove the mods and appoint new ones. The only thing anyone can do is stop posting and leave.
But at least we are doing everything we can to inform everyone about what’s going on, why it’s bad, and why we’re upset. We also let them know that there’s a place to go where we can rebuild what’s lost.
They’ll also remove the mods and appoint new ones.
This assumes that A. There will be anyone willing to do the job at this point and further B. Anyone that actually does want the job won't use it for their own gain or otherwise put their thumb on the scale and make the sub less appealing anyways.
You can absolutely bet on there being some alt right assholes already waiting to take over in the right moment.
Yes, there will be people willing to lick Spez's boots.
Moderating large subreddits is a ton of work, chances are the people willing to do that work are already doing it and will thus either be part of the ones being removed or to busy with their current workload elsewhere. I mean it’s basicly a unpaid volunteer job that doesn’t benefit your resume, doesn’t exactly sound like something people stand in line for.
Moderators there are volunteers, responsible for curating the content that users post... The mods just need to limit their responsibility and only enforce the site-wide rules.
Allow their subs to devolve to shitposts and memes.
Reddit is already dead. It just might be a few years before Spez and co figure it out.
So let the admins have to figure out new mods for all these huge subs. It'll be a shit show. Either they'll have to pay internal people or they'll get people that can't mod for shit.
Also with BotDefense leaving Reddit, whoever takes up the modding duties will have a much harder time moderating overall. They'll be less experienced, less invested in the community, and have a much harder time moderating.
Plus, I view those mods as spineless for caving the protest and making it possible for spez to boot the original mods simply to "keep the content coming"
Mfer there's the literal entirety of the internet available, your precious TIFU can wait a few weeks, everything is okay.
That's the biggest shoe to drop so far, imo
I've been thinking this. I get that reddit is a huge platform, but that's exactly why we should let them figure out their own mess. It's not our problem.
I wonder if internally, they're panicking.
I sure hope they do, but most of all, I hope that specifically Spez is panicking.
Admins think NSFW means sexually explicit? Wrong it means Not Safe For Work, so gaming subs qualify. Entertainment subs, especially swimsuits or violent topics qualify.
What is this? The Final Final Final Final Last Warning before the Last Final Final Final Final Last Final Warning?
It is hard to give up on Reddit because of they have the size/traffic advantage. If enough activity occurs on platforms like this over time, more will be tempted to jump ship.
I would add that the explosion of third party apps is going to be huge as well. The whole decentralized/multiple instance can be a bit challenging for some. Giving use an app that behaves like the old Reddit apps will ease the transition.
This is the problem with people that think in terms of being "management". Management will always have an adversarial relationship with everyone else in an organization simply because they think they have to. The longer they stay in those positions the worse it gets.
I hope they like their strict editorial control they're enforcing.... I'm sure that doesn't do anything to affect their Section 230 protections.
Best idea I’ve seen so far is to comply - and let the nsfw posts just keep on coming. Show the advertisers how their ads are being shown next to nsfw, and see how that goes.
I’m not sure Chumba Casino really cares what their ad ends up next to tbh
I literally only use Reddit for porn, and whilst Relay was working and still is, I get a warning that this isn't possible unless I use the official app, or the website... All my mobile usage from Reddit has pretty much disappeared.
They should have back tracked, but doubling down is a death sentence for me. They can keep having posts, but 99% of them are already reposts from other sites - Reddit as a whole may as well be a combined Facebook style echo chamber and Tik Tok archive, because these days it doesn't feel like it's much else.
does everyone only use reddit for porn?
like shit i only use reddit for porn now i thought i was weird.
unless we're both weird
I use Pornhub like a regular person. I’m not gonna get off to some 15 second gif or go browsing through someone’s profile to see the same video reposted in 30 different subs
I can understand that mods of communities like r/Military feel that they have a duty to serve their community and are worried about no longer being able to do so, unless they comply to the Reddit diktat. But there is an alternative they should embrace - come and join us on lemmy! You can build your community again, in a much safer haven.
"Post more porn!"
"The internet is for porn"
Just grab your dick and double-click...
Intrinsic truths out there.
Wasn't there once the CEO of a hard drive manufacturer companies who said in an interview "our hard drives are for porn"?
I didn't get any! I got it for the Private sub before. I demand my blackmail from modcodeofconduct. I should send some "FuckYouSpezs" around and see what happens. If anyone from Reddit monitors this, the sub in question is /r/mushing
They’ll be put on double SECRET probation!
I'm always between 2 perspectives, one side says to just make their wish come true and allows them to bring paid workers to do the mod work. But then comes the other one that says, there is always someone to want that 15 minutes of glory/power or whatever and will do all the stuff for free.
In either case I think it's not an easy job, and any side will affect Reddit, at least in the short time, people tends to go with the flow, and unless big "old" players (As Sync, Boost, Apollo) or "new" players ( Jerboa, Connect, Memmy) makes other alternatives as easy as it was Reddit, they will stay there.
For instance for me, not been in a centralized server raise questions like where to check in in a community like Aww, Pics, Comics, why there is world, ml or XYZ instances, what's going on ... So, for non tech people all of this will be as intimidating as it was for me, I think.
They do love dishing out warnings don't they
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Honestly, this whole reddit thing is not even that interesting watching from the sidelines. It's good for the occasional chuckle though.
Tell the Huff that he can take that final warning and shove it up his ass!
Should we start a reddit final warning count like the CCP one ?
yes.
Reddit decides to “crack down” on the protests instead of realizing that it’s all because they’re being jerks.
Serious question. Can't the mods delete the subs entirely? Wouldn't that be the biggest blow? To have to start all of these subs over from scratch?
They can, but Reddit can just as easily restore it, with a blank mod list. But based on their actions I wouldn't be surprised if they outright ban any mods that try this.
Would all of the people that subscribed to the mod still be there or would it be a blank slate?
I think this should be a last ditch, unannounced effort. Just do it and bounce.
I just have to laugh.
Fuck reddit! I'm here now!
Right? The first few days I was worried it just wouldn’t be the same, but the slower upload of content here has made me browse when I want to without over browsing endlessly. The less active comment sections means I can interact with more people without being buried…it’s just better. And I’m excited to see it grow
I think I’ve been afraid to comment on Reddit because I assume no one will read it or I won’t have anything novel to say. But I definitely agree that I like the smaller community here
I'm afraid to comment here because everyone will see it!
"According to most studies, people's number one fear is public speaking. Number two is death. Death is number two. Does that sound right? This means to the average person, if you go to a funeral, you're better off in the casket than doing the eulogy." ― Seinfeld
Quality has been dramatically better here than Reddit has been for many years. Finding people actually discussing the post in the comments is rare on Reddit, you have to sift through endless lines of off topic puns and memes being promoted by bots for karma farming. The goal of comments on Reddit is to be funny, not interesting or useful. The fediverse is more like Reddit eight or nine years ago, when they were figuring out their control algorithms, building their own bot network to game their own site (remember the subreddit where the reddit-built bots used to exclusively talk with each other for practice? I wonder what those bots are doing today...), and learning how to control the flow of information on their page while also finally making some things more stable.
I'm really curious if any parts of the fediverse can avoid the same pitfalls that Reddit eagerly jumped into. It's probably doubtful since once the advertisers get here, greed will win. It always does. But maybe.
I agree with you: I think decline of a site is an inevitability, especially after advertising is needed due to increased traffic.
But I personally don’t need Lemmy or anywhere else to be permanent, since what I get out of it is either transient (scrolling for memes and things that pique my interest) or meaningful enough that it remains with me, meaning enjoyable or thought provoking discussions.
Granted, I’d rather alternative sites not go tits up in rapid succession while the shuffling corpse they’re trying to ape continues to slog on mindlessly, but keeping the impermanence in mind makes it easier to see these places as areas to congregate rather than the end to surfing the web in general.
Am I the only one that’s browsing every…instance? (I’m still not sure if that’s the right word. Every community within Lemmy.world) just for the sake of having newer posts to peruse? Or are you all in active enough communities that your subscribed communities are offering up new enough content regularly enough to just browse those?
Oh I’m always in the All section. Still kinda wrapping my head around instances as a concept: mentally I think if it as a single room with a ton of cubicles.
I treat subscriptions more like bookmarks: communities that I want to come back to specifically, but I don’t just browse them. It’s more like going to a grocery store and being sure to get the staples but not ignoring the rest of the aisles. How else am I going to find a new interest or perspective worth keeping if I don’t look?
I’m browsing all instances, not just communities on Lemmy.World right now. Curating a subscription stack more and more every day. And more importantly, identifying and blocking communities I never want to see in my /all/ feed. It’s been great so far.
I’m not sure if I’m just browsing Lemmy.world. Still getting the hang of what instance/servers/communities/etc that I’m interacting with.
Yeah, the nomadic life does sound pretty appealing at this time. I've learned over the years that nothing lasts forever, and this situation is showing that things don't necessarily stay good for as long as they do last. What's new and great eventually becomes old and tired (including us ourselves), but there's probably still other new and great things out there (though we might actually see the end of that during our lifetimes, what with the end of the world looming).
I'll hang out here for a while until I stop liking it, then I'll probably hang out for a bit longer and then look around elsewhere.
I'm all for trying to be funny in comments for sure, but make it relevant to the topic and for fuck sake make it original. Spamming the same tired jokes and memes isn't adding to the conversation.
This has been my biggest complaint. Wanna read the discussion? Be prepared to dig for it. It's awful.
The largest thing I've noticed right now is there's almost no new content. Like at all. There was some repeating but not like right now.
I'm a mod and almost none of the small subs I mod for are transitioning off of reddit as yet.
I do need to learn to mod here....
Amen to that! I'm not a super prolific poster here either, but compared to reddit I'm WAY more active, and it feels mre fun too. In 15 years on reddit I have only made 2 threads as far as I can remember, but on Lemmy (and Squabbles) I've been sharing my house plants recently and it feels great!
Yes, the community is much smaller, but also much kinder,and I the average age feels higher here too (I have zero data on it, but just judging by the writing style it feels like there's a whole bunch of people roughly my age (40+) around these parts).
Yeah I definitely have the tendency to over estimate how old the people I’m talking to online are, but I agree that everyone here feels more like an adult lol
Quality over quantity everytime for me.
On top of that, I feel far more incentive to comment, upvote, and just generally engage here.
Overall this feels like a less hostile environment, without the clickish groupthink that had an army of bots or trolls out to downvote you.
People have mentioned the higher complexity of getting set up on instances as a barrier to entry for the masses. I say wonderful. I'll take a small community of diverse, engaged people over the mobs of span, trolls, and parrots.
Leaving reddit for lemmy feels like finding a nice person who cares after being in along abusive relationship. Never realised how bad it was, or how good it could be.
Is it temporary? Who knows, but I'd rather spend my time making this into what I want then ever looking back.
Yeah, it’s nice to feel like I’m contributing something as opposed to trying to muscle my way into a conversation that doesn’t need 10,000 of the people who are commenting, commenting.
"This!" - 1.4k votes
[Exact same comment being parroted, but with a much more extreme fervor about killing people who disagree] - 600 votes
"Wait. That's not even what the article says. We shouldn't be jumping to conclusions." - "You have been permanently banned from large subreddit."
That's an interesting POV I hadn't really considered before. I'll probably go to Reddit when I need some kind of niche info on something, but stick to Lemmy for just discussion and general time killing, which was my main use for Reddit anyway.
It's a shame how shabbily reddit's board and u/spez (and his lackeys) have treated reddit's users and mods. They benefited enormously from free content and hours of unpaid moderation, yet they chose to throw it all away.
This screams “Please stop this and go back to doing work for free.” They keep threatening but know they need the free labor.
Exactly. And it's driving me crazy how many mods are caving. Like, I get that you care about the community and want it to continue on, but will it even be the same now that you know how little control you actually have? Will it survive the next insane, profit driven decision Reddit makes and refuses to negotiate on? Just rip the band-aid off now like /r/interestingasfuck and others did and let them remove you. We've seen that they can't actually replace what was lost, so let them try.
Some communities weren't even the same anymore after those 48h protests. And you can basically feel which parts of the community instantly left the moment they realized all that talk about protesting was bullshit and it was purely symbolic.
"But if I lose my fragile grip on this iota of power, I'll have nothing, and I'll BE nothing. I can't start over again from nothing!"
I strongly believe that that is exactly what is subconsciously going on there. The human mind is addicted to power, no matter which form.
Them replacing mods is what scares me the most. My subreddit is for advice for stretching piercings. If I continued to protest or even outright deleted my subreddit, and they restored it and replaced the mod team, what quality of moderating should I expect? Like I get it on meme subs, not hard to moderate that sort of content. But I know damn well they aren't going to get people with experience relative to the more specific subs.
I get that, and respect it very much. You care about others and the community you've helped create. But Reddit is now actively exploiting that care for their own profit. Reddit draws value from your community and the advice it offers others. If that advice is poor then yes, people will suffer, but that's on Reddit for allowing this all to happen how it has, not you.
You can never delete a subreddit once created. Ever. That’s why many are editing, then deleting, their comments.
The best you can do is to create a community on Lemmy and invite your redditors to the new community.
If Reddit goes down, what articles will pcmag decide to write about then?
And what will people post on lemmy about?
I mean sure posts about Reddit makes us seem like the bitter ex, but they are to be expected, since it's the only thing all Lemmy users have in common: Being ex-Redditors. It will stop naturally with time.
Although, on Reddit we were always talking about musk and Twitter. Dumpster fires when the AIC (asshole in charge) deserves the harm coming to their profits and their website, it’s newsworthy and juicy content.
Although I do agree that it will slow to a trickle and then eventually stop. Not because the content stops being interesting to us, but because reffit will ultimately probably win in the end, they’re IPO will be profitable, they’ll continue down this enshittification road until FB make a Reddit competitor and then everyone that didn’t care about the API thing because they were too busy watching reruns of the Big Bang theory will move there. It’s the circle of tech life, eventually fb will own the internet
Though if Twitter goes under, I'm sure Facebook will have a hard time explaining why they aren't a monopoly. That has been taken seriously before.
Has it? In the last 30 years? White collar/corporate malfeasance enforcement has dropped like a fucking landslide in the 21st century.
@MarcellusDrum @Polydextrous Except that FB and Twitter technically occupy different markets
It was the same with Digg on reddit back in the day. Like you say, it'll die down.
The Reddit thing is also extremely interesting to follow and is absolutely newsworthy.
Lemmy is already busy complaining about meta
Don't worry we'll find something
I found a cool rock while I was on a walk this week edit: my dudes you're going to have to give me time to go back there it was a pretty big rock
B.S., I demand a picture.
I second this, you can't just claim that you found a cool rock without proving said rock is cool.
I, too, wish to see the alleged rock.
He's holding out content, let's get him!
Pics or it didn’t happen.
pic?
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Post the rock. Please I need it
Just leaving additional peer pressure here. WE WANT PICS!
Hilarious! You gotta admit though, it's kind of like Watching Pawn Stars on the History Channel. Like wtf is this?
Elon and Mark.
Probably things posted here, except they’ll have some trouble sorting out the instancing stuff at first
I got quotes by a PC gamer article after commenting about a random , obscure battlefield rip off was announced for steam a couple of months ago.
I was very surprised upon finding it after a username google.
Thanks….I guess?! My comment was just a random nothing burger (well what’s changed there). Well done ‘journalists’!
They can always rely on AI-written shitpost articles.
RIP EmKay videos lol
I'm disappointed how few subreddits are daring to call their bluff, or put their full weight behind migrating. It's clear they actually aren't able to replace moderators that easily.
r/interestingasfuck still doesn't have moderators. It's been closed for 18 days now.
not so easily to find free labor when you bully them right u/spez
Seriously. I never want to hear how hard it is to mod a subreddit with existing mod tools again. They've rolled over for spez (which is their right) and they don't get to complain about it anymore.
“We are now stuck in a difficult position as we do not want the community to die”
Feels to me like they dug their own grave and now complain that the user's are problem.
What are they expecting after they remove moderators and remove the nsfw status? That the users keep posting? They aren't dumb and I could imagine that some or most people will probably stop posting there.
They think people are there because they love the site. They forgot they love the site because of the content and community. Reddit management dug their grave and jumped in it.
There is a whole set of users who apparently think the mods are in the wrong and that Reddit is right. Whether these are real users, and not armies of bots using ChatGPT to generate content, is up for debate. (But they're definitely bots lol)
I very much fear there’s a lot of real people. Ones that act like asses and get banned from dozens of subs, then complain about mods being dictators or something. Others who think anyone can be a mod and they’re throwing a “”“temper tantrum”””. Others that think it’s just about losing apps with no ads.
It’s full of people who don’t understand, and don’t want to understand the extent of the problem, and I really doubt it’s all AI unless they’re actively giving prompts like “make a comment against the protest, but in the most entitled way possible”.
Honest question: Where are these people? I've never seen someone go to bat for Reddit the way you describe.
I've mostly seen it in r/ModCoord, where a lot of discussion around Reddit protests goes down. Lately I think the mods there have been trying to stop it, but it definitely shows. These are the ones I assume are bots, or at least some of them, judging by the way they argue.
The other random place I saw it was r/PokemonROMHacks when it reopened. People there were super critical of the mods, and I think it's mostly because they aren't users who normally use reddit and are only there to try to download and troubleshoot Pokemon hacks. To them, the mods making the sub private seemed incredibly selfish.
Some people I seen against the protests weren’t mods but users who like it’s futile and use the official app
For me I would agree with them but for me Apollo had a good thing going and all the lying and fun stuff whether it’s true or not is what drove me away
Pretty sure that quote was from the mods of that subreddit, not the reddit admins.
Why? Why would you want something you love to continue to exist on a platform that sees you as nothing more than free labor.
People are wayyyy to attached to thier social media identies.. I'm like a rat on a ship.. any signs of trouble I'm overboard to the next vessel.
I understand the veterans subreddit. While I never went to that sub, I assume it's a good place for veterans to come and help and support each other.
But the others like Pics or TIHI etc...yeah I'm with you on that.
Oh no, people are quite dumb. There's a lot still that are unaware or just don't care about the drama. I'd wager those people are the ones still on Reddit.
How does that make them dumb? If anything, the fact that they're indifferent to it just means they have other priorities in life.
TPA users were like 3% of the site, dude.
Seems like they're thinking exactly that. However, I expect many communities (especially niche communities) to revolt and start spamming unrelated content and straight up porn (or worse -- gore). The current mechanism is to replace the mods with supermods (aka the ones who moderate over 100 communities or something) but I wonder if they will be able to effectively moderate that shit without going private.
It's quite hard to guess what will damage reddit the most. I hope that many niche communities collapse and migrate, but the issue also lies in mainstream communities. One thing is NonCredibleDefence moving. Another thing is stuff like r/manga (which went for a blackout but didn't do much beside it).
Lemmy is good, I hope more people move here, but so far it's gonna be reliant on migrants from reddit and possibly twitter, which is not exactly a good plan
Yes
or else what? They'll bring in paid moderators to do an actual job?
There's idiots lining up out the door to get a taste of fake power.
The quality of the work is not going go be the same though...
Do they care, though?
I mean, they will when those same powertripping mods begin banning over petty things. That's how you get people to move from subreddits / Reddit.
That has always happened in Reddit. Nothing new.
That would invalidate their position as "we're just a platform and not liable for the things our users post". They'd have to take responsibility then and I'm not sure they've got the resources for that.
Fuck Reddit
You rang?
The return of beetlejuicing
yeee Fuck Reddit
I'd give you some type of award, but I dont think thats been established yet. Take some silver?
Just keeping you in your toes.
I wouldn't fuck reddit even with someone else's dick
Its practically necrophillia at this point
Reddit admins writing warning letters like I title project files. lastlastLASTFINAL-v1.3forreal.doc warning
What no proper version control does to a mfer.
What no proper version control does to a mfer(2)
"This is your final warning, please migrate to FOSS platforms"
TBH I Don't care about reddit now, I'm more into lemmy or squabble now. If its user base grows or declines I Don't care, I'm out of reddit and I'm not going back.
Yeah after getting used to the not-totally-assholes community of lemmy I'm not going back to reddit. The community there kinda sucks
You have been banned from [random large subreddit] for pointing out something that threatens the hivemind POV.
Honestly, that was my biggest problem with the community. Granted, that's great when someone is being a genuine asshole, but over the last decade or so, it has become a little ridiculous.
Honestly stopped caring about Reddit years ago. Mostly just used it to keep up to date on game releases. As long as I have a community-ran source for gaming news, I'm pretty happy.
Reddit are past the point of no return for me. They could reverse all their API changes but I'm not going back. They've show their true colours.
For me it was the CEO's comments.
🤌 For me it was the advocating for death of delivery drivers (poor people)
Yep. Duck those ducking duckers. I'm out.
I'm thinking your name should be Dr. Peking. And I'm not sure why.
It's amazing how fast Reddit went from my favorite place to be online to a trash heap
It's somehow worse than ifunny
this is sad when years of work, sweat and commitment wasted WITHOUT GETTING PAID to keep a community alive and full of information to get stamped and threatened by a dickhead
Cowards.
I dont know what everyone was expecting. Enduring nonsensical rules, shitty working conditions and incompetent authority figures is about the most military thing there is.
Fr. Surprises me that military personnel of all people would be so fragile. Don't give in. Post "hey we're moving to Lemmy, see you there" and fucking go. It's 2023 going to a new site is the easiest thing in the world, it's not like 1999 where most of the forum would have difficulty doing that..
I mean, they've got their priorities right. It's reddit's fault that they're killing their own communities. We should try to reach out in subs like this and help them set up on lemmy.
"It’s not OK to show people NSFW content when they don’t want to see it,”
You know what else isn't ok!!!!! Fucking over the entire population of reddit users to churn over some short term profits!
I hope spez buys a yacht or something!
People still use Reddit?
The grand majority of reddit users have more in common with tictok users than forum users. The lowest common denominator is the biggest user base.
They doom scroll and satisfy their addiction, many are kids, they really don't really care about information manipulation, quality content, discussion quality....etc
So they will stay, and the niche groups, those that care and contribute in quality ways, tend to be pushed out.
I think it sure is interesting that data vampires exist but that they also don't care about the quality of their food.
I bet there are hundreds or maybe thousands of these data vampires on here right now scrolling and searching for the text and image based content they use to sustain themselves.
They live amongst us.
edit: this is not sarcastic, but playful
Just bots trying to prove the dead internet theory is real.
Gotta love the ones that are actually NSFW that they want changed to not. Naked selfies is pretty much the tip of the iceberg with Cyberpunk, with a lot of gore and violence and sex underneath. And there's some truly fucked up shit that I don't even want to describe that's there too, as a side quest continuation of main story events.
The reddit app is only marked PG and not 18+ in the Google Play store - maybe someone should let them know about the content that's not behind nsfw filters any more?
Not sure if it was just changed, but I see it has a Mature 17+ rating.
Get back to work or I'm going to give you more free time!
Isn’t this the admins like third final warning?
Reddit's final warning
This is the FINAL final warning!
We really mean it this time, honest!
Spez told the mods they have til the count of 3.
They're super cereal this time.
What is this, Dragon Ball Z's Freeza arc?
"The planet will blow up in FIVE MINUTES"
Buu saga was worse. Buu went from evil to purely evil to evil incarnate to evilest evil to personalized evil ad infinitum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%27s_final_warning
Funny but Reddit actually has executed entire mod teams, and will continue to do so
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Executed!? Damn, spez is more powerful than I thought
The game was rigged from the start.
They're going to have to stop at some point though, because they need moderators. The platform can't function without them. That's why they're sending these warnings in the first place, instead of just removing entire teams.
True. But there are tons of sycophant netizens who crave that tiny amount of power over their niche communities so that they can control at least something in their lives.
If they won't stand up for their rights then they aren't netizens; they're serfers.
Ahem, "landed gentry." :D
I wonder if public freakouts was told to remove the NSFW tag. That sub definitely should have been NSFW all along.
My sub did switch to NSFW after the API change, but its definitely one that qualifies to have been NSFW the whole time, as its a subreddit that features stretched piercings, including all types of genitalia. In our 'Final Warning', reddit claims that our sub doesn't qualify to be NSFW, proving that they didn't even check the content within.
NonCredibleDefense is also in that situation. Often the popular posts are literal war footage including death or sexual assault. Recently they changed it back to SFW to comply with reddit's request. Regardless of the content of each individual post, that subreddit as a whole is not appropriate for minors given the very nature of it.
He's taking marching orders from Musk now to maximize IPO time, gonna be no walls to any content - except to ban anybody who thinks saying racial slurs is tacky and outdated.
The only thing reddit cant do it stop people just not using reddit. All these protests really arent that effective as people leaving reddit and going elsewhere (hopefully lemmy tho.)
The (48 hour) protests just communicate that u/spez can fuck us over 363 days of the year. The only thing that will work is leaving.
He takes a break on Christmas and New Year's?
I’ve been gone for 15 days. I opened old.reddit a few times to see if the protests were working.
I haven’t gone on there at all in days and I’m fine with it. A little sad about it, but I’m fine with it.
Things keep getting better here and there aren’t so many people that having a discussion is like playing the lottery. Whatever I say, someone responds here. Someone sees it.
That’s nice. I’d like to see it grow, but not so much that everything you say gets lost in the noise.
Don’t really care what they do anymore tbh.
I agree. A part of me just wants to see Reddit completely death spiral because that means, people finally stood together for something and made a huge difference. That doesn’t seem to happen in my country so seeing it happen to Reddit gives me some hope that people do actually stand up for their beliefs somewhere!
lol i think reddit is fucked
You think?
We should direct everyone on Reddit to Lemmy. Then, (this is copy pasted, I'm not a bot) add an option to the third party apps for Lemmy so you can opt in to ads that support your instance and the platform. Force me to use your bullshit app so you can make more money? Fuck you. I came here from Reddit. But I'd opt in to ads to support something that is clearly better.
No ads, ads are evil.
Feed me a donation link.
And invest the donations to permanently power Lemmy.
Just don't buy into any social media IPO's lol
Why can't we just pay them with money? I block every ad I can, because everything is better without ads.
If there is no option for paying outside of using me as a datapoint, I'm going to be a freeloader.
Also, respectfully to all those here gathered, fuck reddit. It's over. It doesn't love us and never did.
This is what fucks me off so bad. Tell me what I'm worth as a datapoint, and if I want to pay that directly to be left the fuck alone I should be able to.
So much this. I suspect there’s an issue around opt out making the platforms less appealing to advertisers. The people with disposable income to spend opting out of ads, might be exactly the ones advertisers want to reach.
That, actually, makes sense, it never crossed my mind.
More than that, it is trackers on which, probably, no one knows how much is worth.
I tried to use reddit and their official app for the last two days before today just to see how actually bad it was. It was nice seeing the communities that I had grown to frequent for the last 12 years. However:
I deleted that shit after the 5th "hegetsus" ad that I saw this morning. Fuck that shit and fuck that shit hard. Like, way to know your audience lmao. Never touching that app again.
ads gonna make people want to everyone in their instance, and btw the donations are enought to pay of the for the server(as lemmy.world admin said) and a few thousand more just to him
I just got bored with reddit trying to make money through their users.
Make all posts require mod aproval to make sure you comply with not allowing anything NSFW.
This is the way lol
I just read the article. I wonder how many bootlickers and corporate apolgists are going to say anything.
This is hubris is really good for the fediverse. I had a relatively piddly account at only 80,000 in karma but I I still closed my account. Good riddance to that last piece of corporate social media. The next thing I want to see is something similar to Pinterest in the fediverse space but it may end up being redunant.
I only go to Reddit now because of one or two forums that don't exist on here yet, But the more I see stories like this, the more I'm inclined to just say screw it and nuke my account.
Honestly, at this point, my plan is to nuke my account. The only communities on their that I really check that aren't on here have devolved into mindless rage-bait. Probably a so-long and good riddance situation.
No one regrets getting banned from digg.
I think the entire world should be nuked at this point.
Be patient. It will be.
Do it. I did it when BaconReader stopped working, if they're not going to do the bare minimum of caring about their users I'm not doing the bare minimum of caring about my content on their platform. It also makes it easy to not use it again.
i'm still using Reddit for porn, but for other topics i already spend more time on Lemmy. the switch is tough, but they definitely can be replaced.
Even porn looks more boring, not sure if it's just me or content really suffered from all this.
Are you sure it's not a natural result of increasingly depraved fetishes? :D
Gay porn suffered long ago from people just promoting their onlyfans. Annoying af.
That happened to all porn, it got disgusting.
I want to see real people sharing their sexuality, not people faking it for money.
Sincerity, the last thing you still can't buy.
It's interesting, the fakeness in porn is so conspicuous. I wonder if this sense of faking-it-for-money is a component that is actually conditional to viewing pleasure for sadists and misogynists, and maybe it's an indication that there are more people out there with those predilections than we might like to think.
Straight porn too
I’ve heard and have no source for this, but most of the bigger porn subreddits were basically run by people who had a ton of money trying to push their own content to the top to generate revenue.
Makes sense considering how 99% of the porn accounts had titles such as "WHOEVER LIKES THIS WILL GET SOMETHING FREE IN THEIR INBOX, TRY ME!"
Like damn, thousands of porn accounts made posts like this. Obviously they all hired spam companies to do it for them but what kind of ad company can't take the time to even learn the basics about the website they're advertising on? Really amazed me how few of the accounts seemed to actually be human, and even if human absolutely not the content creators themselves
Dude porn was working fine on rif untill like yesterday, i have a moded reddit app but i still refuse to use it. As a side note lemmymsfw is starting to be a good replacement (atleast for me).
I just got my data takeout request granted (110 MB) yesterday, so time to follow up with a GDPR request to then nuke everything. It's the only way to make sure.
I’m still waiting. How long did it take for you?
How did you place the takeout request? Would like to do the same thing.
Here's a link to it.
And this is how I find out that my permanent suspension from Reddit- no reason given- from last week has magically reversed itself. Too late now. Fuck them.
Thank you! just placed my request.
How can I do the same thing?
They should just migrate to other platforms or join us. I don’t understand why would they stay on a website hostile to its users like this. They want to protest on the same platform that is the source of the problem…
Because Reddit is an addictive pattern. I’m still getting used to post-Reddit life. It’s been very very similar to quitting smoking for me. It’s been genuinely disruptive to my life. I get why people just want to maintain the status quo on their personal lives rather than figure out how to move forward
People get complacent and resist change.
I find it sad for all the useful information on that website ( which, if you come across, do repost it on a lemmy community! ) and the subreddits dedicated to helping others out. It would be great if we could build that on the fediverse, but I can imagine wanting to reach as many people as possible when you're helping out veterans for example.
I was wondering about this, whether just taking some of my interresting or more sucesfull posts and discussions and reposting them to lemmy communities, maybe even summarizing the best comments from Reddit, would be a worthwhile endeavor. If so, it would be best to not do it at once, but gradually over the next weeks or months.
But you are right, I'll definitely do that for obscure questions I had that were answered in a helpful way, so I can finally start writing "lemmy" instead of "reddit" after every google search.
Indeed for years now I always searched for say "best TV Reddit" and got good answers instead of advertising
It's funny that they think they can't be replaced. It will take a while but 5 years from now Reddit will be the MySpace of social news of they don't stop bullying their users.
Five years is too generous, I think. At the end of the day, Reddit is just a forum and forums aren't profitable. Unlike the time of the Digg migration, the technology and platform have been commoditized.
It could be profitable if they just stuck to the basics. Having 2000 employees is ridiculous, they're trying to do too much.
I think the next step is to announce privatization of subreddits. Take a week to get all active members approved and then go private until they take the protests seriously or the site just stops growing and dies off
Then the admins will just override them and force the subs public. They’ll also remove the mods and appoint new ones. The only thing anyone can do is stop posting and leave.
But at least we are doing everything we can to inform everyone about what’s going on, why it’s bad, and why we’re upset. We also let them know that there’s a place to go where we can rebuild what’s lost.
This assumes that A. There will be anyone willing to do the job at this point and further B. Anyone that actually does want the job won't use it for their own gain or otherwise put their thumb on the scale and make the sub less appealing anyways.
You can absolutely bet on there being some alt right assholes already waiting to take over in the right moment.
Yes, there will be people willing to lick Spez's boots.
Moderating large subreddits is a ton of work, chances are the people willing to do that work are already doing it and will thus either be part of the ones being removed or to busy with their current workload elsewhere. I mean it’s basicly a unpaid volunteer job that doesn’t benefit your resume, doesn’t exactly sound like something people stand in line for.
Moderators there are volunteers, responsible for curating the content that users post... The mods just need to limit their responsibility and only enforce the site-wide rules.
Allow their subs to devolve to shitposts and memes.
Reddit is already dead. It just might be a few years before Spez and co figure it out.
So let the admins have to figure out new mods for all these huge subs. It'll be a shit show. Either they'll have to pay internal people or they'll get people that can't mod for shit.
Also with BotDefense leaving Reddit, whoever takes up the modding duties will have a much harder time moderating overall. They'll be less experienced, less invested in the community, and have a much harder time moderating.
Plus, I view those mods as spineless for caving the protest and making it possible for spez to boot the original mods simply to "keep the content coming"
Mfer there's the literal entirety of the internet available, your precious TIFU can wait a few weeks, everything is okay.
That's the biggest shoe to drop so far, imo
I've been thinking this. I get that reddit is a huge platform, but that's exactly why we should let them figure out their own mess. It's not our problem.
I wonder if internally, they're panicking.
I sure hope they do, but most of all, I hope that specifically Spez is panicking.
Admins think NSFW means sexually explicit? Wrong it means Not Safe For Work, so gaming subs qualify. Entertainment subs, especially swimsuits or violent topics qualify.
What is this? The Final Final Final Final Last Warning before the Last Final Final Final Final Last Final Warning?
China's final warning.
It is hard to give up on Reddit because of they have the size/traffic advantage. If enough activity occurs on platforms like this over time, more will be tempted to jump ship.
I would add that the explosion of third party apps is going to be huge as well. The whole decentralized/multiple instance can be a bit challenging for some. Giving use an app that behaves like the old Reddit apps will ease the transition.
This is the problem with people that think in terms of being "management". Management will always have an adversarial relationship with everyone else in an organization simply because they think they have to. The longer they stay in those positions the worse it gets.
I hope they like their strict editorial control they're enforcing.... I'm sure that doesn't do anything to affect their Section 230 protections.
Best idea I’ve seen so far is to comply - and let the nsfw posts just keep on coming. Show the advertisers how their ads are being shown next to nsfw, and see how that goes.
I’m not sure Chumba Casino really cares what their ad ends up next to tbh
I literally only use Reddit for porn, and whilst Relay was working and still is, I get a warning that this isn't possible unless I use the official app, or the website... All my mobile usage from Reddit has pretty much disappeared.
They should have back tracked, but doubling down is a death sentence for me. They can keep having posts, but 99% of them are already reposts from other sites - Reddit as a whole may as well be a combined Facebook style echo chamber and Tik Tok archive, because these days it doesn't feel like it's much else.
does everyone only use reddit for porn?
like shit i only use reddit for porn now i thought i was weird.
unless we're both weird
I use Pornhub like a regular person. I’m not gonna get off to some 15 second gif or go browsing through someone’s profile to see the same video reposted in 30 different subs
I can understand that mods of communities like r/Military feel that they have a duty to serve their community and are worried about no longer being able to do so, unless they comply to the Reddit diktat. But there is an alternative they should embrace - come and join us on lemmy! You can build your community again, in a much safer haven.
"Post more porn!"
"The internet is for porn"
Just grab your dick and double-click...
Intrinsic truths out there.
Wasn't there once the CEO of a hard drive manufacturer companies who said in an interview "our hard drives are for porn"?
I didn't get any! I got it for the Private sub before. I demand my blackmail from modcodeofconduct. I should send some "FuckYouSpezs" around and see what happens. If anyone from Reddit monitors this, the sub in question is /r/mushing
They’ll be put on double SECRET probation!
I'm always between 2 perspectives, one side says to just make their wish come true and allows them to bring paid workers to do the mod work. But then comes the other one that says, there is always someone to want that 15 minutes of glory/power or whatever and will do all the stuff for free.
In either case I think it's not an easy job, and any side will affect Reddit, at least in the short time, people tends to go with the flow, and unless big "old" players (As Sync, Boost, Apollo) or "new" players ( Jerboa, Connect, Memmy) makes other alternatives as easy as it was Reddit, they will stay there.
For instance for me, not been in a centralized server raise questions like where to check in in a community like Aww, Pics, Comics, why there is world, ml or XYZ instances, what's going on ... So, for non tech people all of this will be as intimidating as it was for me, I think.
They do love dishing out warnings don't they
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Honestly, this whole reddit thing is not even that interesting watching from the sidelines. It's good for the occasional chuckle though.
Tell the Huff that he can take that final warning and shove it up his ass!
Should we start a reddit final warning count like the CCP one ?
yes.
Reddit decides to “crack down” on the protests instead of realizing that it’s all because they’re being jerks.
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I don't get why more people don't just use ad blockers. The Reddit staff wouldn't even know what's happening until it's too late.
Serious question. Can't the mods delete the subs entirely? Wouldn't that be the biggest blow? To have to start all of these subs over from scratch?
They can, but Reddit can just as easily restore it, with a blank mod list. But based on their actions I wouldn't be surprised if they outright ban any mods that try this.
Would all of the people that subscribed to the mod still be there or would it be a blank slate?
I think this should be a last ditch, unannounced effort. Just do it and bounce.
yeee Fuck Reddit