Prime Video subs will soon see ads for Amazon products when they hit pause

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Prime Video subs will soon see ads for Amazon products when they hit pause
arstechnica.com

As if the Prime Video app couldn't get any worse.

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Cancel your sub and don’t renew it. This shit will only continue getting worse if people continue paying for it

I canceled Prime as soon as they announced they were adding ads and I let them know that was the reason. Fuck them. We moved to streaming because it wasn't cable, now these fuck heads are trying to turn streaming into cable. Capitalism is the fucking worst.

I'm busy with work lately, but I'm investing into setting up Jellyfin, and the moment that's running, I'm canceling as well.

Would cancel sooner, but I'm not the one that actually uses it, so this was the compromise.

Trash guides.

That'll get you sorted.

The arrs are amazing

Yeah, I've got a full *arr setup so far - just need to iron out a few kinks before I can consider it "done". Mainly just dealing with my server computer being incredibly slow with - I assume - transcoding.

If you’re steaming on your local network you should be able to disable transcoding on your clients.

Ahh, I didn't know that was an option. I'll give it a shot - thanks!

Man for me it's the iGPU via Intel.

I have an i3 with an Intel IGPU and it'll murder any transcode I throw at it.

If you don't want to rebuild.. I think a quadro 2000? Is the sweet spot for cost vrs power.

But do your own research... I'm really rusty when it comes to suggesting gpus for servers.

https://www.serverbuilds.net/ is a great resource for that stuff. They have handy transcode guides there

Sadly, my current server is an old all-in-one, so adding a GPU will be difficult. My plan is to make due for now until I can get some proper hardware.

The current plan is - rather than bringing the hardware up to spec - I'll try bringing the spec down to the hardware, by pre-encoding everything to something like H264. (While keeping originals, since I have the space.)

Thank you for the response and the resource, though! I'll definitely check it out!

When my server crashes.. I'm going tiny. Beelink S12 Pro Mini PC, Intel 12th Gen Alder Lake- N100(up to 3.4GHz), 16GB DDR4 RAM 500GB PCIe SSD, Desktop Computer Support 4K Dual Display/USB3.2/WiFi 6/BT5.2/Gigabit Ethernet for Home/Office https://a.co/d/gZYihvd

And a 3.2 enclosure

Mediasonic USB 3.2 4 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Enclosure – USB 3.2 Gen 2 10Gbps Type C | USB-C (HF7-SU31C) Support 18TB HDD https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078YQHWYW

And you're welcome!

Good luck!

Ditto, but Plex. I know Plex has its issues, but I need stability and ease of use since I share streaming apps with 4 other households.

Plex works on my truenas server with no dedicated gpu. Jellyfin didn't. Simple as.

It isn't "capitalism" it is that there isn't a meaningful push back

Nah. It’s capitalism. Pretty sure.

Yeah one of these days we'll crack the code and get it right. In the meantime, how many homeless people are there in the richest country in the history of the world?

It’s capitalism because they’re only doing this to further the never ending pursuit for more capital

I only have it because I have prime for shopping. If they were separate fees, I would not have streaming.

If you live near a regional transportation hub it probably won’t make a difference on your delivery times. We dropped prime when our “1 day” deliveries kept turning in 3 day deliveries and never saw a difference.

And honestly a lot of the stuff I used to get on there isn’t even cheaper on Amazon anymore. Half the time if I check the manufacturer website they’re having a sale or have no shipping costs or cover returns longer, something like that. YMMV, you know your situation and needs better than me.

You may as well buy from Aliexpress if you are shopping on Amazon. The only difference is the price and the transit time.

Aliexpress is great for the cheap useful stuff for around the house.

Electronics too (like LEDs, microcontrollers, and sensors not phones and TVs). Often brands have a store on both Ali and Amazon but Ali is cheaper with longer shipping times of basically a week to a week and a half.

Yeah, aliexpress is where I go to buy random PCBs for projects.

I'm about 6 years completely Amazon-free. A key component of the switch was realizing a lot of the random stuff I'd buy (mostly cycling equipment) is cheaper on eBay with faster shipping. The irony is that the seller is likely the same one on Amazon and the items would be delivered by Amazon Fulfillment Services.

I’ve been going back to eBay more recently as well! If anything I feel more confident that what I get on eBay is going to actually match the listing, since AFAIK they don’t do the same insane “jumble all items with the same ID code together in a bin and hope all the sellers were honest about it being real” system Amazon uses.

The only reason I don't is that I can buy a bunch of stuff from Amazon and get it in one or two boxes, instead of a bunch of stuff from all over the country in a bunch of boxes. It's about saving a little bit of carbon emissions.

Does it make a significant difference? Absolutely not. But it makes me feel better. (Also Amazon packages are more often reusable. The boxes and paper packing are better than eBay bubble envelopes and bubble wrap encased in packing tape.)

Decades of retro game collecting experience leads me to agree :)

For me its kinda worth it. I can can next day or same day delivery, which is kinda nice when Im an impatient ass. Also I share it with my family, so we all make use of it.

If it were just me, definitely would not be worth it.

This doesn't work for me. Regional hub is 20 miles from me. Two day shipping is now just "free shipping over $35 and takes a week to arrive.

I agree with your other points though. Amazon isn't the cheapest option anymore. My local Walmart is actually better. I know Walmart is still a shit company but still...better in terms of getting what I need.

Yep I still get my orders in 2 days, free shipping. Haven't had prime in 2 years

I live near multiple regional hubs. I have no subscription myself. It takes them 4-7 days to get my package to me.

My friends who live on the same block as me gets them in 1-2 days with their prime memberships

This includes if we both order the same exact things.

So yeah, YMMV

Same, and even that is getting worse. I feel like I have to fight with the search algorithm to actually find what I want for the best price. Most of the time, I could order something better from another retailer for a better price and still get free shipping. They don't even do free returns anymore.

I notice a lot of stuff has paid shipping if you dont order the correct stuff.

Yep, you have to filter for free shipping. You also have to filter for fast shipping, or you might get some "Two day shipping (ships in two weeks)" bullshit. And then you have to mentally filter out the "sponsored" results which may not be what you're looking for at all. Searching for a hard to find hat size? Top result is perfect, has free same day shipping, and is a reasonable price. Oops, except when you click on it, you have to pick a different size, which isn't available in that color, costs more, snd ships out of Mongolia.

Fuck Amazon Prime.

Although Fallout was good.

Same. And I still steal Prime videos. Why hassle?

Just because I have the service doesn't mean I don't also have backups some items.

I started acquiring my prime videos elsewhere even though I have prime

I've done the same with Netflix for years and previously had the 4 streams 4k plan up until they implemented their bullshit password sharing rules. Now I have the $6.99 plan and only keep it because my MIL babysits for us and likes to watch all the K dramas on there.

I deleted my Amazon account a couple years ago and haven't looked back. Everyone has their own needs, but I'm just letting you know: it can be done!

Did it this last cycle. Didn't renew, don't miss it. In fact the announcement of adding more ads into the video service I didn't want, but had to pay for to get prime lead to me just leaving.

I don’t pay for prime for the video though, I do it because 10 members of my family like the 2 day shipping lol the video is just icing that we honestly rarely use. Just “The Boys” and “Clarksons Farm” really

I actually get Prime TV series from the high seas even though I'm subscribed to Prime. It's simply better UX this way.

It's shocking how bad their ui is. I don't get it.

The sad thing is, it's much better than it was.

You'd see a movie, read the truncated blurb, click into it to see the full details, only to get the exact same text in a bigger font, so you'd actually see less of it.

I cancelled it the day they announced more ads.

And just about anything you try to do to actually read the description would start the movie, including doing nothing for 10 secs (because you are fucking reading the description). Till you hit the back button which just boots you back to the home screen, so you can start the selection process all over again.

Helpfully they do include IMDB scores when browsing for stuff, sadly all their stuff is total shite so all the scores are low. But hey, at least they include them.

The only way to watch anything on Prime is to make your selection in advance somewhere else and then search for it. If you type in the literal title of the movie, it will mostly be in the top 10 of the search results. This includes resuming watching something you were watching, like their hit series Fallout. You would expect the resume watching thing to be proudly the first item on the home page. OMG you actually watched something of ours, we are so happy. Nope it's buried away on the 5th or 6th line and you need to scroll to get to it. It also happily resumes the previous episode at the credits, without the helpful next episode button. If you do manage to get to the next episode, you will need to watch the first 5 secs of same ad you've seen a million times (because they only seem to have the one ad on their platform) before you can skip to the content.

I don't know what those guys are smoking, but their app is total garbage.

Usually big corps collect all your personal information and tell you it's a good thing because they use it to make useful recommendations. That way you at least get something out of it. At Amazon they just take all your personal data and when it comes to recommendations it gives you a big middle finger. I don't know here's a romcom from 12 years ago, you like that stuff right? Whatever fuck off.

It is weird how theyb collect so much data yet know so little about what I want to watch.

I think Disney+ is actually somehow worse in that regard, since they have so much old content that I would doubtless watch when bored, but all they want to push is the latest reality TV shit that I have never once shown any interest in.

Same here. I have Prime but only for their Amazon Prime delivery services, not for their video or audio thing(Amazon refuses to unbundle their stuff in my country). To make it worse, Amazon Prime Video, Atleast last I tried didn't go to full HD(or even 720p) on Firefox on Linux, so there is no point to it.

And there is hardly an ethical concern to it. I am paying for a service but getting my hands on the material; just via a different supply chain because Amazon sucks.

didn’t go to full HD(or even 720p) on Firefox on Linux

you will run into similar restrictions on other services that use drm.

I do the same with a bunch of content. It's amazing how I'm able to run a streaming service from my basement that's better than Disney or Amazon.

Same. I ditched AZ once they added ads PV. After 2 20s back to back ads, I unfurled my Jolly Roger. Fuck ads.

I never used Prime Video, and I cancelled my Prime subscription in protest against this shit. Never going back.

Amazon also horrifically mangles and compresses their video for seemingly no reason all the time.

It's not for no reason, it's to lower bandwidth costs. It may not be a reason that benefits you but there is definitely a reason.

They don't even want to spend the money to provide you the paying customer with HD engagement slop...

And yet peasants still using this shit service and pay for it too!

I think that's dependent on a lot of factors. Most of the highest quality webrips are from Amazon. Pretty sure there was less audio compression on their streams as well.

But watching, you'd often see it lose all quality for seemingly no reason at all, and revert to something that wouldn't have looked out of place on RealPlayer on a 56K modem. I had this several times, and only reinstalling their useless app would fix it.

Yeah that’s the thing is that it’s almost random. As a guy with a network engineering degree that there wasn’t an identifiable issue with my network or devices when this would happen. No idea what would trigger it. Never had the same issue with any other streaming service.

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I watched Fallout with torrentio, even though I have prime logged in on my TV.

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It is insane to me how piracy is making a comeback because decision makers forgot Gabe's lesson

What's Gabe's lesson?

Piracy is a service problem.

There's a reason I use spotify and steam.

Yeah, theres a very good reason I dont use Spotify anymore. Not any music streaming services at all. Only good ol' reliable mp3s. Their idea of "service" is to silently remove songs from my playlists as their licenses expire, and then top it by replacing "Hotel California" with the WORST cover song I've ever heard.

Imagine if Sony stopped selling on Steam, and Steam in response silently replaced my "Days Gone" game with "The Day Before"? I would have been so pissed. But with music it seems that is totally okay.

I miss having my library fully in mp3. I started using Deezer just for convenience, and I kept only the mp3 I have for rare songs and versions. Now every time Deezer kills a song in my playlists, I regret my decision, and I'm too lazy to rebuild my mp3 library. At least Deezer keeps the name of the song greyed out in the playlist, and if it finds another instance of the same song it's easy to replace it.

“We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem,”

“If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate’s service is more valuable.”

Source

And I haven't pirated a game in I don't even know how long now because of Steam.

TV show? Last week.

I've only pirated one game recently and that's only because you can't really get it legally anymore.

Fuck you Microsoft for killing games for windows live and killing a bunch of PC games in the process.

I do pirate games that I buy on Steam - just to have a backup copy in case something happens to my account. I want to truly own my media. Nonetheless, this is the only place I have paid for media since we ditched the DVD player)

Many Steam games are DRM-free, they're just not advertised that way. Try copying the game files elsewhere and shutting down Steam, for most older games, they'll still just work.

The games I bought were fairly new indies. Didn't think about that though!

I'm one of the people that canceled when they announced they were going to be putting ads in prime. I'm doing just fine without it.

I've honestly just hit a point in life where I'm dine giving megacorps money. I stopped piracy like a decade ago because I had the means to pay for shit, but since then companies have just started treating customers with more and more disrespect, and I'm perfectly knowledgeable on how to access most of their shit fir free and with less restrictions and hassle. So Im back to piracy not fir money reasons, but FUCK YOU reasons

100% relatable. Done with these abusive subscriptions.

Yup. I'm looking for legal options to buy what I want so I can drop my last couple subscriptions (Disney+ and Netflix). I'm currently on the ad free versions of those, and if those go away or become too expensive, I'll be more motivated to get rid of them.

I already cut out Amazon Prime, Disney+ is the next to go. I'm updating my NAS so it can hold more videos, and I'll teach my kids how to use it instead of the smart TV. The next step is to replace my smart TV with a dumb TV...

Same mine just ended last week I think. Meh. Lately I've been noticing the quality issues and tricks of the junk sold on there where I am always cautious when I buy random stuff. Prime video was just a bonus, and I hardly used it anyways. This was the final nail in the coffin. I also do not want to endorse this sort of behavior so others do it.

Same... And since I still have not replaced their firetv sticks, I know use all their advertising as a list of "here is what's out, in case you want to sail for it"

Thank you Amazon hehehehe

Mine ends in July. There are definitely some decent shows on Prime but I'm not going to spend an extra 25% to get the same shit and I'm not going to watch their ads. Products on Amazon are near worthless so there is not much value there.

Jesus christ do these people not understand what “Pause” means? It means my roommate just walked in and wants to discuss something. It means we’re looking at the freeze frame to see some aspect of the shot. It means the same damned collection of events should happen any time a “Pause” control’s been triggered since the invention of playback.

Why are the UX people not fighting them on this? Why does design have to be about breaking everything these days?

UX vet here.

  1. UX usually never ever has the final say on this stuff. Product management, finance, and marketing almost always win out in most companies. Heck, in just about every agile training that is given, people are taught that product management gets the final vote on whether or not a feature gets prioritized.

  2. Amazon is famous for being driven by bean counters and analysts. Many of their product development decisions are driven by measurable short term incremental tests. Amazon has never really known how to build physical or digital experiences that people love.

This is one of the reasons I went to Apple TV for my streaming box.

All the streaming services seem to be in a race to make the slowest, worst looking, least consistent application possible. And Apple at least has a bit of a hand in making them reign it in a bit, and keep the players consistent.

"ooh, we're averaging only 75% cpu use, we can cram another shitty effect in here..."

Although this pause menu crap will 100% appear in the Apple TV too. Paramount+ and some others are already doing it.

Apple does allow video apps to use their own player, and not the default player. And many of the non-Apple players are total trash.

UX designers present to Directors and VPs; VPs and Directors speak to their C-level; C-level and Board want more money; VPs and Directors tell UX/UI team; UX team complains; designers fired; UI outsourced at 2x rate; Ad driven website achieved; Consumer Satisfaction drops; Revenue increases; Board rich; People poor; Sad

Yes. Because when I pause to discuss a show I'm watching with someone, or to otherwise pay attention to something else for a moment, for some other sound and video to play is exactly what I want.

This makes literally no sense. The whole point of pausing, is that it's something you do right before you turn your attention away, and that's when they want to show you ads?

Either these ads won't work, because no-one will look at them, or they will defeat the point of pausing, annoying the living shit out of your users. It's a lose-lose for everyone involved. Including the advertisers.

I remember when commercial breaks were the time when you went to the bathroom/got snacks and then ran back and jumped over the couch to get back before the show started again.

But most ads don't work on a conscious level. They're there to make whatever is being advertised seem normal and good, like birds singing in the trees, background noise you associate with good feelings. The point isn't to get people to engage rationally. The point is to elicit positive emotions and associate them with a brand.

The point is to elicit positive emotions and associate them with a brand.

This is super obvious in pharmaceutical commercials as they all follow the same formula of upbeat music, people either enjoying nature or a party with friends, and lots of smiling as the voice-over tells you about the anal leakage and heart failure side effects.

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Almost all the ads I've seen on Prime video are for other Prime movies. They never appear during a natural break in whatever I'm watching, just burst right in in the middle of a scene. They elicit zero positive emotions, and I am about to cancel my subscription.

The point is to elicit positive emotions and associate them with a brand.

Then don't interrupt my movie or my pause time, and I won't be pissed at you, then have a seemingly irrational anger-hate when I see you at the store, and refuse to purchase you. There are so many products I won't buy because of this.

usenet, indexer, sonarr, sabnzbd

When presented this way, it reads like some arcane incantation to summon some demonic monster...

Or I guess in this case to summon pirates.

and vpn… just not one of the shitty ones

No need. Usenet traffic is ssl encrypted and is just a client/server relationship, there’s no sharing/seeding. Also people still technically use usenet for text posts, so it’s not like a connection to a usenet server can get you in trouble in and of itself. I mean pulling down like 40-100GB in a weekend when I add a new show with tagged with my 4K DV/HDR Remux profile is pretty suss, but prove that shit ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As long as you trust the Usenet provider to not keep and share logs, sure

I mean I’m not aware of anyone who has ever been prosecuted for downloading from a provider in the entire history of its existence. So whether or not they keep logs I’m pretty comfortable with it, yeah.

If we’re going to get into hypotheticals like that you shouldn’t pirate anything ever. If the cops banged on my door with a warrant I could easily flush a ten strip and some mdma before answering the door. I’m not degaussing 80+TB of media before they take my door off its hinges.

Wouldn't encrypting the drivers and shutting it all down by a single button press work just like flushing the loo?! 🤔

And it all will still be recoverable, but by you only.

I mean yeah. I’m not worried about the cops serving a warrant on me for downloading pirated media though, so my NAS isn’t encrypted.

No need for VPN with usenet

What if the Usenet provider is compromised?

Your chances of this is about the same as the VPN provider being compromised of not lower.

Have you ever heard of anyone at all get in trouble for using usenet due to the provider being compromised?

Hell, most providers have a European endpoint. Just use that if that paranoid.

Citation on the first paragraph 😂. Both are definitely weak points. Personally I just yolo torrents on my own IP. The only thing that happens here is an angry letter in the mail anyway. Only time I ever got one was when I redeployed Medusa and I oopsed and had public trackers enabled from the default config.

This deal keeps getting worse all the time.

Pray they don't alter it any further

Or just fucking cancel it.

This 100% discretionary and somehow these clown companies are able to act as if this is like rent or food.

At some point plebs need to own their pathetic consumption patterns. Nothing will change otherwise.

I've been screaming this into the void for years and always get shot down. It's almost like people like to be abused. I saw how bozo destroyed business after business in the early years and have been avoiding it fairly well, I will go without my special not necessary "toy" until I find it local, which is getting harder and harder sadly as the convenience is killing local business

always get shot down. It’s almost like people like to be abused.

I still can't tell of these people are that poorly educated or are they just bad faith actors. Online it easy to assume bad faith actor but when you meet this people in real life... it is just sad seeing an adult man thinking like that.

The usual reason given is convenience "I can get it all in 1 place, instead of driving/bussing around town looking for the local option". I am looking for a usb mic with a short wire to attach to my vr headset so I can stop killing peoples ears with hard P and similar. My local computer store doesn't carry any mics like I need only the desktop professional ones, nor any nearby local stores either. My only real option is to either go to Best Buy or Bozo. sigh

kinda of a clown world where the little guy now is Best Buy lol This is an example where market conditions has been set, you can't really vote your way out with money :/

Walmart only thing keeping Amazon retail in check.

There's an easy solution for that.

Cancel it. Stop buying things from Amazon. Stop giving that awful company your money.

Our research shows that we can fill up to 80% of the visual field with ads before we induce seizures!

Pioneering a technique to insert ads into the middle of your seizures so we don't have to worry about going over 80%

With the Amazon Alexa equipped with the GM-AL Vision System, we can time the ads between vision lapses and achieve nearly 95% ad prevalence in 91% of Prime subs.

With the Extended View VR headset equipped with new eye-opening visuals we are seeing 98% percent ad observation with only a 23% hospitalization rate for blindness and numbness of the zygomatic nerve.

Both the Amazon Alexa with GM-AL and Extended View headset will be available for $99.99 and $249.99, or $49.99 and $149.99 with a prime subscription, this next fiscal quarter.

Any streaming service that tries to combine ads+sub is just as greedy as cable TV and I can't support that kind of shitty business practice. Ads free or sub no ads. Cancelled each service as they rolled out that trash. Currently only subbed to Criterion and thinking of resubbing to Shudder.

It's easy though, just pay an extra 36 bucks per year, bringing your total prime sub cost to 176 bucks per year, very reasonable!

Just cancelled my prime today. I don't watch the video, just use it for delivery

It said "But you've save €247 with your prime account since the start!"

Over the last six years I've paid about €270 for the prime subscription

Fuck off Amazon

Only reason I still have prime is simple - diapers. I save enough on them alone to justify it. But once that's done (another year-ish), I don't think it will be worth it anymore.

And yet, I still don't use prime video. It's just not a good experience, and obviously getting worse. And as I have kids, the management of what I'm ok with them seeing is way easier on JF than prime video.

Only makes it worse to remember that Amazon killed diapers.com by selling under cost until they couldn't hold on any more and more we're all worse off.

Why not Costco instead? It's $65 for a year, and you'd probably make that up on diapers alone in that first year. You need to actually go pick them up so it wouldn't work if you don't live near a Costco.

There are also other bulk stores as well, depending on your area. Look around, Amazon is rarely the best price, they're just the most convenient since they have pretty much everything.

Because that would be a 40 minute drive. And there is a BJs... About 1/4 mi away from the Costco.

No, there aren't bulk stores near me.

(another year-ish)

Glad to hear the IBS is clearing up

Once. It'll better be one hell of an ad because it will lose them my subscription. I stopped watching television back in the late 90s because of all the ads, before even I had internet to watch pirated media. I don't wear clothes with too visible logos. Just saying to illustrate how this ain't an empty threat.

Losing a single customer probably doesn't matter to them. But I hope Im not the only one?

I'd been looking for the nudge to cancel and the last round of ads did it for me.

Just imagine. If you install Amazon video on an external streaming device and hook it up to a new Roku TV, you could get the pleasure of looking at multiple layers of Pause screen ads.

Spending all that time and money setting up my homeserver is looking better and better every day...

Radarr and Sonarr. Look them up and stop giving Amazon money.

That is illegal. Buy Blurays if you aren't into piracy.

Is it? Well let me go hang my head in shame while I read news every. single. day. of the scummy illegal shit the corpos are getting away with.

Amazon can die in a fire for all I care.

If Buying Isn’t Owning, Piracy Isn’t Stealing.

The vast majority of the new content cannot be obtained on blurays anymore. So the only way to "Buy" the content is "licensing" digital copies of it that still has the verbiage of "buy" on the "store" that you purchase it from.

Yeah, no pity for the piracy.

If Buying Isn’t Owning, Piracy Isn’t Stealing.

That's why nobody got charged with theft, they were charged with criminal copyright infringement. Which carries a much larger punishment than just stealing a disc from your local big box store.

So the only way to "Buy" the content is "licensing" digital copies of it that still has the verbiage of "buy" on the "store" that you purchase it from.

You don't "buy" the content, you buy a license to use the content in a way that the copyright holder seems acceptable. And if you don't like it, fuck you, cause corporations are more people than people.

That’s why nobody got charged with theft, they were charged with criminal copyright infringement.

Copyright infringement is the act of SHARING it. Not the act of downloading it. That's why they were charged with that. Has nothing to do with the act of obtaining pirated content.

And if you don’t like it, fuck you

Nah, fuck you.

Edit: /s on the last part in case it wasn't clear, cause... well text.

My phone can't play BluRay disks.
My computer can't natively play BluRay disks.
My iPad can't play them.

My only option is to pay for yet another HDMI device because of BluRay's DRM and sit down in front of a TV that I may not actually even own. That's both an additional waste of money and inconvient compared to watching an episode on my phone during lunch.

Or I can use software to crack the DRM and rip the disk to video files, which is a violation of the DMCA and brings us right back to being illegal.

Fuck streaming services, but also fuck DRM-encumbered pieces of plastic and foil. I'll buy the movie on a subscription-free service as a token gesture and pirate it.

Adverts are inevitable, these companies cannot help themselves. The temptation to double dip... A subscription from stupid saps and money from advertising. Soon the ads will creep into the other subscription tiers.

Piracy and ad blocking is the only escape.

After almost 20 years as a Prime subscriber I unsubscribed about a week ago. It was the ads, I put up with a lot of nonsense over the years but the ads were the final insult.

I'm not paying full streaming service prices for a service with ads.

I was a long time subscriber as well, but canceled right before Christmas 2022. I missed it for about a week and then I realized most things I "needed immediately" from Amazon I could either 1) drive across town to purchase from brick and mortar or 2) actually just wait for it.

The end result has been me buying less things I don't need, and buying the things I do need from local retailers (and of course big box stores), or ordering them from other online retailers since the shipping is comparable to Amazon.

2 years in and I don't miss it at all, will never go back. I do want to watch the Fallout series though.

As they've turned into wish.com over the last few years I've bought less and less from them so I by the end I was mainly paying for the TV service.

I don't see myself gong back either.

You can sail the high seas for Fallout. It's worth it!

When Amazon thinks "sub" means "submissive" rather than "subscriber"

and also doesn't care that findom is a common limit for many subs

In Amazon c-suite, they just call it slavery. But you know, that's "illegal", hence; "sub".

Netflix already does this. They all will just copy each other. Eventually ads will come for the top tier levels too. Enough is never quite enough for these people.

I have prime. I torrent their content anyway as they don’t play nice with vpn.

Then why do you pay for it?

Free 2 day shipping

Um, you do realize you're paying for the 2-day shipping with the subscription, right? It's not free, it's just part of your subscription.

I honestly just wait the extra couple days and make sure my orders are $35 or more to get free shipping. I usually keep a few non-essentials that I'll need eventually ready to go so I can just add them on when needed (e.g. extra water filters is a common one).

Uhh yes of course. I literally said the only reason I pay for prime is the 2 day shipping, prime video is just an added benefit I guess.

But do you actually need it? How often is 2 days fine, but 5 days unacceptable? Are there local stores you could use instead to fill those needs?

Yeah, 2-day shipping is nice, and we had prime for years largely for that, but prime has steadily gotten more expensive and we eventually stopped seeing value. We cut it a couple years ago, and we've seen our spending shift to local stores, though we still use Amazon a fair amount. But at $15/month or $140/year ($11.67/month), we just weren't ordering enough to make that worthwhile. Overnighting something occasionally is cheaper than subscribing to prime.

I've ended up shifting a lot of stuff back to brick and mortar just because Amazon can't be trusted on anything that isn't a brand you already know. I was looking for gym shorts with the sewn in compression shorts and all of it was just the exact same image under many stupid brands. Just a quick glance the same image is being used by Leidowei, Surenow, NELEUS, Ultra Performance, Aolesy, JWJ, Born Tough, Pudolla. Like how can you trust any of those? Went to Dicks and just bought their in store brand (DSG) and they've been working out great. Plus I can actually inspect them and try them on before buying. Unless you're buying a known brand/commodity, Amazon is just filled with drop shippers and you can't trust their reviews at all. We're letting our Amazon Prime membership go this year because I just don't need it anymore.

Yup, that was our experience as well.

I found that Target had most of the low quality crap we were buying on Amazon anyway, and I could get something of better quality also locally. I would spend a ton of time doing research to avoid the worst of drop-shipped crap on Amazon.

Now I only really buy name brand stuff at Amazon that I can't find locally. We do maybe one order/month, if that, and I could probably eliminate Amazon entirely if needed.

Yeah I've actually been happy with the clothes I've gotten from Target too. Their All In Motion line or whatever it is has been nice for quarterzips for golfing. Found 32 degrees stuff at Costco and their website has all the basics I need (Polos/Casual slacks/underwear/socks) for cheap and its comfortable.

Yup, we get most of our stuff from Costco and Target, Amazon fills in the gaps and is a minuscule part of our spending (like maybe $50/month?).

To me it's worth it. I order a ton of Amazon, unfortunately it's usually the best option to find niche items for my hobbies that can't be found locally.

That's too bad, because Amazon is really hit or miss.

I don't know what hobbies you have, but my wife and I have better options than Amazon. My wife is into watercolors and fountain pens, so she buys from specialty shops. I'm into computers and MTG, so I'm a better fit for Amazon, but I usually buy from Newegg and local game shops. We both like board games, which he generally get from local game shops.

We do need to buy a fair amount from Amazon though to fill in the gaps, but it's rarely urgent, so it can wait a week if needed.

I’m with you 100%. Could you try and explain this to my wife?

I'm sure she's capable of understanding that on her own. If you'd like to cut it, I recommend pulling some numbers:

  • how much stuff you ordered (esp. how many were under the $35 or whatever order limit)
  • how often you actually needed something faster than standard shipping (usually 3-5 days)
  • how much you paid for the service

With that, you could make a case for dropping it. You could also agree that if there are problems, you can always sign up again. Then it's on you to anticipate things you'll need and order in advance. I am proactive about keeping stuff on hand, so it's not an issue for us. That's how I convinced my wife we don't need it, and we haven't had it for a couple years now

That said, get a free Amazon Prime trial every 6 months or so, so we often sign up around Christmas, then cancel.

I’ve made the case. The indoctrination by Amazon is strong though, and they feel they need it. Plus we’ve got a stubborn one over here and new ideas are bad ideas unless they are their ideas. There’s a lag but logic is logic and it sets in eventually… I’mma just let the in-laws work on them they’re much more annoying😉

I'm proud to say I pirated the fallout show

I have Prime and still pirated it, because the website and app are such a mess

Oh boy, looks like we've got ourselves a swashbuckling pirate in the comment section! Avast ye, matey, 'cause I'm about to drop some knowledge bombs on your scurvy-ridden ship. Here's why pirating the Fallout TV show is about as cool as a ghoul's armpit.

First off, let's get real: pirating is straight-up stealing, plain and simple. You're swiping that sweet, sweet content without paying a single bottlecap for it. Sure, you might think you're some kind of digital Robin Hood, sticking it to the greedy corporations. But guess what? Those corporations employ real people, talented folks who put in blood, sweat, and maybe a few stimpaks to create the show you're plundering. So, unless you're raiding their office and demanding a cutlass to your throat, you're just a lowly thief.

Secondly, let's talk consequences. When you pirate the Fallout TV show, you're not just giving the finger to the suits in their ivory towers. You're screwing over the very people who made the damn thing. These artists, writers, and actors poured their souls into creating a post-apocalyptic masterpiece for us to enjoy. And how do you repay them? By snatching it from the digital high seas, denying them the reward they rightfully deserve. It's like slapping a Deathclaw in the face and expecting it to thank you.

Lastly, let's address the big picture. Your piracy antics don't just affect one show, my friend. They send shockwaves through the entire industry. When creators see their hard work getting pillaged, they become less likely to take risks and push the boundaries of their craft. So, congrats, you're contributing to a world of bland, cookie-cutter content. And let's not forget the ripple effect on your fellow fans. Your actions normalize piracy, making it seem like stealing is the new cool. Newsflash: it's not. So, if you want to show some respect for the people who make the stuff you love and ensure a vibrant, creative landscape, drop the Jolly Roger and start supporting the legit channels.

Arr matey, there you have it. Pirating the Fallout TV show might make you feel like a rebellious pirate, but in reality, you're just a landlubber stealing from hardworking artists. So, shiver me timbers and do the right thing—pay for your entertainment and support the creative minds behind it. Otherwise, you'll be walking the plank of cultural bankruptcy. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life is not for me, and it shouldn't be for you either.

Too long, didn't read, too busy enjoying pirated content streamed from my home server.

And how do you repay them? By snatching it from the digital high seas, denying them the reward they rightfully deserve. It's like slapping a Deathclaw in the face and expecting it to thank you.

  1. They've already been paid so you're not snatching anything from them.

  2. You kind of assume that if someone hadn't pirated it then they'd have paid to see it. The reality I'd they'd probably not have watched it at all. I haven't watched the fall out show yet. Therefore I must also be "denying them the reward they rightfully deserve"

  3. The use of steaming was in the rise and piracy falling all through the 2010s. Why? Corporations were offering a good service at a good point. Over the last few years they've been making the services progressively worse and the price point progressively worse. The market has reacted and piracy has increased. Again you've fallen into thinking that if people didn't have the option to pirate they'd pay for the service to get the content, I however think that many just wouldn't consume the content at all.

While I appreciate the devotion to theming, this is such a bootlicking comment. You do realize that the people that made the show have already been paid, yes? Piracy is not theft, especially when half the people in this comment section are saying that they are pirating it alongside their active Amazon prime subscription.

You said it doesn't effect the show after talking about how it effects the show.

Stealing is a very cool crime. Especially from Amazon.

You're just a square.

I really don't give a shit about a company like Amazon that gaslights its employees into not voting for an union through a bullshit campain, that sabotages said votes, and that overworks them to the point they are forced to piss in bottles and shit in bags.

I kinda hope they fucking sink to be honest.

I showed this to people at work today, we were in tears laughing 😂

i only bothered to read the last bit so - stealing from the artists? Ha! that's words of someone who doesn't know how the film/TV show industry works. All artists (spare for maybe the actors, depending on their contract) already got paid, maybe they got a bonus for the popularity of the show, but they don't own the rights to the show and therefore receive fuck all after that.

not. if. you. sail. the. high. seas. wear. a. rubber. i. mean. use. a. vpn. ho. ho. ho.

Wow, what happened to paying for things supporting the product and not needing ads?

You're forgetting one important thing - Bezos needs more money! Line must go up. Always. At any cost.

yeah, companies gotta do what a companies gotta do. and we get NO say.

I'm surprised they think this is useful... if I've paused a video it's because I'm answering the phone or front door, making a coffee, going for a shit etc... I'm almost never going to see these ads 🤷🏻‍♂️

I unsubbed from prime last year once the ads were announced on prime video.

There's no reason to have it anymore imo.

A VPN sub is like $40 a year and that lets me get any media I want.

Free Shipping without prime starts at orders over $35. Who doesn't spend at least $35 in 2024?

Looking more like the right decision i made to drop prime last year

Glad I dropped prime 1.5 years ago. I'll never pay monthly for something with ads. If I pay monthly for software, it better treat me like royalty.

That is why most of us dropped cable, $80+ for 10 mins of ads in a "30" min show

Yeah I don't use prime video but as soon as I saw they were going to add ads, that opens the door for them to make their app shitty as hell.

Wait... I already now get annoying ads in the middle of watching a show. Now they want to add more ads to Prime Video? That's absolutely ridiculous.

I dont like it, but I can deal with ads while paused. But its also just an entry point for them to see how much they can sneak it. Its becoming cable TV all over again, with ads making their way in, despite paying for the service.

Where does it end? Toilet seat advertisements? Telephone poles that project advertisements onto your windows? Alarm clocks that wake you up at 2 in the morning to play an ad? Bathroom mirrors with built in ads? Advertisement screen when you’re trying to pump your gas? Shoes that play an advert when you tie them? Ads when you open your closet door? Floor tiles made of screens that play an ad when you walk near them? Coffins with built in advertising? A toaster that toasts ads onto your bread?

Advertising screens on gas pumps (with sound too!) are already a thing here and I hate it.

What do you mean "end"? As long as capitalism is guiding the ship it can't end the line has to go up

The Fifteen Million Merits episode of Black Mirror.

It ends when musk popularizes his shitty brain microchip and the engineers figure out technology to project image and sound into your head.

24/7 unmodifiable banner ads, ads while you sleep, ads related to what you see that cover your vision until you pay an extra subscription fee, then just border ads.

That is the future that musk and tech BoDs cum in their pants for.

The consumer advertising industry is a scourge of humanity. The dregs of the groveling worms.

Not surprised at all lol I am tempted to just start using Jellyfin and shop from sites that don't do this to their "premium" users.

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In Prime Video's case, pausing the program will bring up "a translucent ad featuring brand messaging and imagery, along with an 'Add to Cart' and 'Learn More'" overlay, per Amazon.

On the other hand, Amazon has not released research publicly on how much constant ad viewing can impact the user experience or interest in a streaming service.

Still, Amazon claimed today that Prime Video ads reach an average of 200 million people monthly.

The Hub Entertainment Media survey claims that Amazon has a higher ad-based to ad-free ratio of subscribers than all other video streaming services examined, including Netflix, Max, and Hulu.

Like all streamers, Amazon is toeing a fine line between using ads to boost the average revenue it makes per user and aggravating subscribers to the point of cancellation.

Amazon is already facing a lawsuit regarding ads on Prime Video that seeks class-action certification and was filed by people who purchased annual subscriptions.


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Did everyone not just pirate this series? It seems like Game of Thrones level pirate content, who would pay for that.

Yeah I already know about this. Also as a long time prime subscriber we have had ads longer than you'd expect. It first started as ads for Amazon products and also previews for other Amazon shows. It doesn't surprise me that there are pause screen ads now like other streaming services.

If I'm being honest, I can handle an ad in my pause menu as long as it doesn't interfere with the rest of operating the device. If I can unpause and reach the closed captioning or audio menu, fine, whatever. What really gets my goat is pre-roll and mid-roll ads. Can't stand them.

I’m not bashing your opinion, if you don’t mind it that’s cool.

I do mind it. I cancelled prime years ago already because two day shipping somehow was never two day, so I’ll never see one of these pause ads.

That being said, I mind the idea of it a lot because I often pause to see something on the screen. Be it a text message in a show or something else written/printed, the cinematography, the lighting, the outfits, etc…. Fuck if I ever want an ad thrown up blocking the actual content I want to inspect in more detail.

No I get it. I don't like them, but I can live with it if I have to. Luckily my local library has enough DVDs to fill my Jellyfin server. :3

On a free service sure, on something you are paying for? fuck off.

Amazon Prime is absolute dogshit anyway. Fallout wasn’t even that good, I don’t know why it got such a warm reception. Probably because people had such low hopes for it. Rings of Power was a billion dollar investment and only 30% of people finished the whole series.

I had forgotten all about the Rings of Power. Never saw it. Loved listening to the super fans talk about it. Wasn't generally received well at all

It just wasn't well written. Pretty pictures can only take a mediocre story so far

Let's be honest, one of the main pulls of that show is the main character is an attractive woman. I haven't seen the show, but I've seen the oogling over her.

Hold on, I gotta watch a Charmin commercial before my toilet 🚽 will flush for me....you know, my toilet that I purchased for my restroom. ....it's coming, laugh now but you, know it! Cha-cha-cha! Charmin!

I wish the high seas had better quality. So much isn't available in 4k at least in the waters I've checked out.

Well, then are not going to see my money anymore, that's for sure.