Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I'll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.
The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.
Now people have no choice ... they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.
People were always aware of the bullshit ... in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it ... now people can't.
Cost benefit analysis. I'm Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen "company loyalty" and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.
I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn't say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn't have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.
You don't need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now
Much easier said than done.
I know, I'm an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it's worth it.
I mean, I genuinely think that all we need is a *How to unionize for dummies" like a video or guide. I'm pretty clever, pretty Marxist and I still found myself overwhelmed when I wanted to start the process in my last job. Calling a local Local didn't help much either.
Guillotines aren't particularly difficult to assemble.
They are exceedingly difficult to get away with using, nowadays, unfortunately.
Well, not with that attitude.
Started with Gen X, which is why the baby boomers retiring is creating such a desperate demographic crisis. Nobody wants to buy into such an obviously corrupt system, which has rewarded every consecutive generation with less and less compensation despite the abundantly obvious massive advances in productivity. People are realizing that most of their work is not at all about generating value, but instead is all about occupying their time and energy in an apparent attempt to reduce competition.
If you could ask for early retirement now then they would get power that much quicker
I'd have to not be a broke Gen-Xer for that to make much sense.
Oh i feel ya. I just get ideas when im stoned.
Adopt both UBI and lower retirement to 45 at the oldest.
The world will be an amazing place
Oh boy I can dream. đ
They're literally following a TikTok Trend. They're submerged deep into bullshit and eating it up.
And for many of them it will bite them in the ass.
Yeah the Gen-Xers who have been beaten into submission acknowledge that not having a job or any prospects kinda sucks.
I was more thinking about the laws against recording people, and particularly publishing those recordings. Along with the recordings being proof of other things, like maybe the person who took snacks on their way out could be accused of theft.
thats everyone at their age.
the difference is they can broadcast it into the world now.
Nah. When I was a kid, my peers were happy to bend over backwards to work harder for nothing extra.
Times have changed. That's what happens as the disparity in wealth continues to grow. More people feel disenfranchised.
i was never that dumb to work for free, my friends werent either, sorry to hear your friends were.
Hmm that's some of it, probably. I don't think it's all of it. And even if so, I think that phenomenon can build further momentum.
id go as far as doubting its at all of it, but AFAICT every recent generation had some good thinking about the problems and were keen on dissenting somehow when they were young.
even a lot of the boomers (who are seen as very conservative now) had their counterculture thing when they were young.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
100% agree there.
Society will probably collapse by 2040.
2030 is my guess because roughly half of the kids from the 60s will be mid 60s then and retire or be unable to keep on hustling because of age while all support systems will get into absolute overload.
It's seven years until 2030.
5 years 10 months 20 days
You might want to recheck your math on that one
Well either see a brutal market recession as the boomers die off and/or sell off their retirement portfolio to buy more sand for their hourglass, while everyone else is too broke to buy it at the âmarket valueâ their financial planner promised them in 1992
Or capitalists will sweep in and buy it for cheap, exacerbating the housing crisis and continuing to make life unaffordable
Either way weâre in trouble
i think you underestimate how bad it can get before they can't stop a collapse anymore.
we already have a big homeless population and old people already in dire situations. i think that was the spark that got them so politicized in the first place.
and the biggest factors will probably be more related to climate change which will take a bit more time to reeeeally fuck with us.
It's seven years until 2030.
"Gen Z kids refuse to learn math!" Tune in to hear more at 11.
Joke is: I'm one of these boomers, born in the 1960s đ
Classic example of rage math - I'm always furious about the shit and the terror my generation didn't prevent. We knew and know everything and chose and choose to carry on.
Assholes all around. I'm dead serious about this.
Thats the current estimate of scientists at MIT at least.
"I have, like, really given my whole energy and life over the last four months to this job, and to be let go for no reason is like a huge slap in the face from a company that I really wanted to believe in,"
First mistake was giving your whole life. Second mistake was believing in a company.
Having survived a layoff like the one they mentioned - people getting random 15 minute meetings, suddenly seeing their accounts decommissioned, etc. - it definitely sucks, and knowing they'll lay me off like that means I have no reason to have loyalty
I think most people make this mistake when first entering the workforce though, right? I know I did. Now, I get called pessimistic and cynical. But, I've got three decades of experience at various levels of company. With all that experience, I'd prefer to call myself a realist.
Recruiters aren't blind to it either, at least for more senior roles. They stopped talking about the "family" that they are, and how much more "fun" it is to work there. They also stopped asking me why I chose this company, and instead ask me why I chose this role, because they know I don't give a shit about the company. They cut straight to "here is the pay and benefits, we give extra for this that and that". It should be like that for all levels, from junior to director.
Yes, it should be. But businesses aren't people, they don't have a conscience, they don't care about their employees. They will use any tool they can to underpay someone, and work that same person harder than the rest of the team paid more. Because, they can.
If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength. would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!
Millennial / Gen X cusp here. I feel like this really started with my generation. Many people no longer look for a job, they look for a job that allows them to make the world a slightly better place. Many of us have had that drilled into our heads from childhood.
Companies know this, so thatâs what they sell when theyâre hiring. And when you combine that with the cognitive bias for people wanting to do good through their work, this is the result.
Bingo. I mean I accepted pretty early on that A. I wouldn't enjoy working and B. Someone else is going to make a lot of money off what I do.
As long as I work for an employer that does something or makes something that can be a net positive, I feel like I've found something good.
-is the lie I keep telling myself
This is effectively the only tool we will ever have against them, and we should use it before too much of the labor force is converted and automated, and the remaining employed shut up out of fear.
A company like Microsoft worth 3 trillion dollars (with a T), who spends billions to acquire another business in a strategic move, should not be allowed to dump the burden on the thousands of people they let go afterwards, just so the books look good.
They pull billions out of the company in profit, and then claim the company is broke and needs to distribute some losses socially. It's completely insane that we just allow this to happen in mass. I'm lucky I can choose my companies and I don't touch the big big corporations so it doesn't affect me, but we need to do something collectively fast.
I worked for them in a division that was very customer facing. We got told over and over things we needed to improve the experience weren't in the budget. I always vaguely waved my hands in the air with a "look at the piles of money" face.
I worked at Disney+ in IT for 5 years, they gave me a yearly incentive to stay with them, bonuses, and my 5 years of service pin... and then laid me off a month later.
Bet that person is never loyal again. Live and learn.
As a Gen-Xer who's been beaten into believing you can't realistically "fight the man", I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
The housing market is fucked, economic mobility is fucked, the climate is fucked. They've already lost to the man, what else do they have to lose?
As a Gen-Xer whose been beaten into believing you canât realistically âfight the manâ, I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
Seriously. Give them hell Gen-Z!
The kids are alright!
As a millennial, I honestly have a lot of respect for Gen Z. I feel like they are slowly but surely figuring out how to stick it to the man and generate awareness of how the big corporations are slimy scum and don't see employees as "People". Go Gen Z!
Honestly they've been incredible. They've been politically active since they were teens and they care more about work/life balance than any other generation before (anecdotally). They've been dealt a shit hand but I'm rooting for them.
I was thinking about this just yesterday. After watching Frankie's cultural observation on boomers, where he says that "boomers are the first generation in history that wanted to do better than their children", I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids. The boomers parents, while the "greatest" generation, were raised by an even stricter generation of parents who believed in things like not picking up a crying baby, and probably resulted in Boomer parents that, thanks to WW2, were also an untreated PTSD generation. Alcoholism was just dad's being dad's and pre ww2 moms stayed home to keep home and hearth with a little help from the snuff tin. Several generations of war torn parents ignorant of how to deal with what they went through, raising more kids for the next war. From the civil war to Vietnam, every generation had a war or two on their plate. Then our small communities were randomly spread out into suburban experiments to support the industrial revolution. Now no one knows their neighbor, they just go to work. Then the millennials were sent to war. We had heard the stories growing up about how great our nations fighting forces were. Now it was our turn. We had the most righteous of reasons to fight. But this time, when looking to the boomers to lead us, we found a bunch of disfunctional brats. Their maturity was a ruse. They didn't know any better than we did on how to deal with this world. Their parents won the great war, setup the economy, spanked them, never hugged them, and then handed them the keys to the company and retired to Florida. So the bratty boomers without a clue bullied their kids out the door and into the world. There we stood, 18 and primed to take it on. But there was nothing left to take. Then the bubble they blew popped and we shipped out to Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and even after 20 years we still had nothing to show for it. No house, no good paying job, no health care, and a degree with the weight of never ending debt chained to it. The boomers are and always have been, brats. You see them out there on their Harley's brrrraaaaatttting around. So when we started having kids, we said no. No we're not going to beat our kids, no we're not going to shame them for who they love, no we're not going to "be a man" and shut up about our war trauma. But the brats still had all the power. They refused to let go of their toy. So we put ourselves to work on trying to fix the only thing we had the power to fix, ourselves. We started normalizing therapy, researching drug and alcohol addiction. We dug into the data. We acted like adults, we admitted we have a problem and we did the rigorous and SCIENTIFIC work of finding the solutions. We broke the cycle. We've really earnestly tried to raise thoughtful, honest about themselves, proud adults who ask why. We didn't ignore them, we answered them honestly, we admitted there's a problem. But we don't have enough time to set it right in our life time. The brats won't let go. We need Gen Z to carry the torch forward. Question everything, do the hard work, admit when you were wrong, be willing to change your mind when new data is discovered. I'm proud of these kids. I want them to do better than us. We got your back kid.
I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids.
Dont mean to 'burst your bubble', but as a Gen-Xer who took allot of abuse from my Boomer parents, and ended up a 'latch key kid' to boot, I made sure to not pass that on to my Millennial children. At all. So that trend was happening allot earlier than you think.
Also, 'wall of text' is tough to read. Paragraphs are our friends. :)
Also, 'wall of text' is tough to read.
I imagine they might have been bamboozled like I have been quite a few times, where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
line break test. one.
meow meow. two
meow
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two "Enters" are required
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two âEntersâ are required
That's the same in any editor.
If you are at the end of a sentence, and you want to start a new paragraph, you always hit the enter key twice.
where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
What?
Clicking enter while typing in a comment/post will put you on a new line in the text editor, but Markdown interprets this as a regular space.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
You would be hitting enter twice to start a new paragraph in any Lemmy editor. Thats how you always start a new paragraph.
What do you mean? In Word, you click enter once, and the paragraph spacing is done automatically based on existing paramters. While not every word processor is Word, I'd argue that the one-enter process I described is still a pretty legitimate form of starting a paragraph.
In Word, you click enter once
We're on Lemmy.
You're at the end of a sentence, you just typed the period. Now you want to start a new paragraph. You hit the enter key, twice.
If you specifically meant on Lemmy, you shouldn't use language like "any editor" lol. Anyways, you edited your old comment just to continue being an asshat, so this was a waste of time. Bye!
If you specifically meant on Lemmy, you shouldnât use language like âany editorâ lol. Anyways, you edited your old comment just to continue being an asshat, so this was a waste of time. Bye!
Next time I'll have my lawyers review my comments before posting, and be sure to say something along the lines of "any editor *that you would use to post a comment on an Internet forum, and not while writing a word processing document". /s
I've got to give up assuming on Lemmy, as 'people' argue about the weirdest fucking minutia here.
Any Markdown editor, yes. But not everyone is familiar with Markdown formatting. People coming from text editors, forums, and word processors expect a single enter to start a new paragraph.
Even in a text forum, or a text editor, you usually double-enter between paragraphs. Single enter just looks too crowded.
Any Markdown editor, yes. But not everyone is familiar with Markdown formatting. People coming from text editors, forums, and word processors expect a single enter to start a new paragraph.
I'm using the website, and the standard editor. /shrug
I'm not aware of anyone who uses a word processor to leave a comment on Lemmy.
Incredible and inspiring assessment. Thank you for sharing it with the world.
create awaraness for something that people already aware of since the dawn of human race?
You might be shocked to learn that an alarming number of people historically did not know that corpos are evil.
I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.
I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.
Then you share the text messages. Even easier
So it costs even less bandwidth to share?
I'm surprised some are defending the CloudFlare HR rep. How is it "confrontational" to ask questions? At that point, all I would care about is unemployment and setting the record straight.
These recordings could save your ass.
Funny how quickly and easily the media can turn "generations" against each other
I love Gen Z, which is why I'm so upset that the dumb fucks are using TikTok.
Can't blame them, my generation popularized social networks even after finding out what they were for.
Don't blame me, I ditched Facebook as soon as my mom joined and never looked back.
I can blame them for picking the one that is spyware for the world's largest hostile dictatorship, you absolute concavebrain moron. Anybody who at this point doesn't realize what TikToks intended purpose is are willfully ignorant.
What's with the fucking attitude? Chill.
150 Million Americans are giving the keys to the kingdom to a hostile militaristic dictatorship with the potential to do harm on a scale beyond anything you've ever seen
in return for vines but worse.
This is one of those issues where "GET MAD" is the correct response.
"GET MAD" at the proper institution/organizations/companies, not your fellow commenter, who is not even denying what you're saying. I'm not saying you're wrong, you're just being a dick about it.
I live in a democracy. The proper institutions and organizations to police this issue is my fellow commentator.
If you want someone to listen to you, stop calling them morons. Have a good one.
SHAMING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.
"Hostile militaristic dictatorship" is just the United States. There's almost zero difference between the US and China in those regards. The only real difference is that Chinese citizens are actually being lifted out of poverty at a rate not seen at any point in history while the US is continuing to impoverish their citizens. Both of them spy on their citizens and have insanely racist cultures.
There's no moral difference between using TikTok and Facebook.
Ji Xinping has no term limit and was unanimously reelected by the single party congress, completely unopposed. China does not select their leadership.
The USA criminalizes and punishes misconduct like massive data collection, such as the FCC fining FaceBook 5 Bn USD, but China created and operates an even more invasive and far reaching data collection scheme on their own with TikTok.
Face it, loyal dog, China is the same monster it has been for a century, just waiting to add millions more bodies to the pile.
Believing the USA has better motives is pretty moronic too. Especially if you live in the USA
Oh is the local Democracy who fines companies like FaceBook billions for doing exactly what TikTok is trying to do
equivalent in your eyes to
The Militaristic Expansionist Hostile Dictatorship who created TikTok to do exactly what FaceBook did and rewards them accordingly?
Thanks for you opinion, dude.
Again, you need to take a step back. The USA has had much more aggressive and violent international policies than China. It being a democracy (which is itself arguable) does not matter.
And Snowden showed us that the USA are, again, not better than China in terms of mass surveillance.
China is a problem, but if you can't see why the global south sees them as a balancing force rather than a threat, well, again, take a step back.
China is literally annexing it's neighboring countries and killing multiple different ethnic minorities en masse. Not 60 years ago, not 10 years ago, right now. It's happening right now.
Because they are a Dictatorship. They're being ruled by an unaccountable class of people.
You know why Snowden was such a big deal? Because an arm of the US Government did something illegal by its own laws and he exposed it, leading to massive controversy and political action. Because in the USA the people have protections against that sort of thing.
Don't worry, it's spreading to Gen X and Y too.
That's perfect. Once old folks take over the platform, it will be uncool and die.
I just assumed Biden's little video about cookies was the end of it.
I don't care what the source is, if there's a Gen [insert whatever] or Millennials might be to blame for [insert whatever] I'm already at a -10 on the trust meter right out the gate.
I didn't try my first avocado toast until like a year ago and lemme tell ya. Seeing as how eating it somehow went back in time and made me unable to afford a house, I expected it to be a lot more magical.
Ahhh so that's why I'm broke, sometime in the future I eat avocado toast.
I see it plenty without the media stoking it. Here on Lemmy, etc.
It's the same dumb tribalism as always, often backed up by some real data or trends (that tend to get twisted)
No, not every "boomer" is spoiled and ruining America, and 75% of the people you call boomers aren't even boomers. Not every Gen Z is lazy and entitled and scrolling phones all day. Etc.
Crabs in a bucket. If we can't find the things that make us alike with our cohorts, it's going to be very difficult to ever affect any sort of change.
Boomers don't consider any generation after them "cohorts". They consider them subservient.
The median age of U.S. senators is 65. Who do you think is voting for those people?
The Boomer generation absolutely deserves to be shit on.
Who do you think refuses to vote against them?
Jeff
Exactly, fuck Jeff!
Who the fuck would we vote for? Genocide Joe or Cheeto Mussolini? They rigged the primary against Bernie twice. Democracy is fucked in this country.
Buddy I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you wanna believe not showing up to vote is just as bad as making a conscious decision and the effort to vote for these procorporate trash ghouls in the Senate that's your choice. As for me: I choose to say Boomers are responsible for who they vote for and who they vote for is trash, so they are trash.
Good call, let's vote against genocidal Joe.
the way they alienate gen z as being "conditioned" to like social feedback on ticktok is really denigrating to me. As if every other generation was not conditioned to believe certain social taboos, mores and practices. Same old "young kids don't know shit" rhetoric. Which viewers at home will just ingest w/o any sort of critical thought process.
Also how quickly they can invent 'trends' we should be fearful of simply because some middle-aged reporter watched a couple similar videos online. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go eat some tide pods before my scheduled game of knockout.
Influencer or not, however, those who stream videos of themselves being fired from their job risk facing repercussions, such as violating severance agreements, the BBC reported. Job termination videos can also backfire on those who post them if viewers find the post vindictive or unprofessional.
"Generally speaking, such moves are a double-edged sword. The literature on whistleblowers, a more extreme form of publicly sharing bad practices, shows that people get stigmatized for doing so," Ben Voyer, an ESCP Business School professor who founded the Gen Z Observatory, told Business Insider in a recent article.
"Generally, society doesn't reward people that engage in behaviors that some may see as a betrayal. Pushing such content online is a way to get moral support on the one hand, and a little revenge on the other hand," he said.
If you're confused about who to blame, remember that one side debates on whether they should purchase a mega yacht, or have a more reasonable "support" yacht trailing the main one for their helicopter/staff.
Not even Millennials see action against your employer as 'betrayal'. Company loyalty is dead, and this professor is out of touch.
Pretty sure the betrayal is for future employers that may look you up
You're not reading well. Wrong side.
Not having a problem with something and noting a possible risk arenât exclusive
Which side the betrayal is being called.
Company loyalty when you are getting fired is something really weird. What would it even be based on? I understand parting on good terms etc, but loyalty? There wouldn't be any space for loyalty in such a situation even in feudal contracts.
If the majority do it, it can no longer be extreme.
I'm enjoying the generational divide coming from Gen-Z.
Previous generations wanting to avoiding "burning bridges" only served corporate interests.
Workers need stop fearing our corporate overlords. We out number them.
They've manipulated the political process to shattered the social contract and must be held accountable.
I'm still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.
As a millennial I fucking love gen z
Iâm still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.
What exactly worked quite well? The USSR and other "socialist" countries worked well only for those outside their territory, acting as some kind of counterbalance, I'll admit that.
What was inside was an even more extreme form of what you call "corporate overlords", because there wasn't even an illusion of choice, your path changing employers would be similar to transferring between places in a military, the new employer would see every shitty thing the previous one decided to write about you, and they wouldn't care what you have to say about that generally.
You seem to have taken this comment in some random direction that is pro-capitalism
I am not going to take the time to go through all the scenarios as to how violent uprisings resulted in the standards or work we have today simply because you can't understand a common idiom.
simply because you canât understand a common idiom.
I understand plenty, miss some, and also there are people not worth understanding.
risk facing repercussions, such as violating severance agreements
oh no, I won't get dick shit, which is exactly what I was going to get anyway. What a gigantic shame
I was watching Wendover's billionaire social calendar last night. They have ships whose sole purpose is to transport their yachts from the Mediterranean to the Caribbean so they don't have to deal with actual transoceanic sailing. Like they literally load the yacht onto the ship like a big cargo rig.
Yeah most people probably already had the double edged sword in their teeth. Shitty professor is out of touch.
Generally, society doesnât reward people that engage in behaviors that some may see as a betrayal.
The gall to speak like that of somebody publicizing the way one of their contacts with equal sides was terminated. Not even "mutual betrayal", LOL.
It sucks when people think an organization has more rights than a person. If there's a contract between two, then they are on the same level.
CBS News. Viacom. I wonder who benefits from making these threats against these kids.. hmmm
I'm glad it's happening, but... fuck, why does it have to?
Greed and they don't give a fuck about you. And it's going to keep happening, again and again, until we change it.
The kids are alright
Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict
As an older GenX I thank the Millenials for that. Generation Z seems to love their consumerism a little too much but at least they seem to know who's screwing them and its not the poor folk.
My favourite generation so far
I've been hearing about how older generations always hate younger generations all my life. How I must be destined to grow in to some crochety old man by 40.
I gotta say these kids seem like they're headed in a pretty good direction, they're funny, they're not taking shit, frankly it seems like it's going pretty well.
Yeah dude. I'm Xilenial, was told how I would grow up and be just like them. No, really, becoming old is a choice. My younger brothers are full on MAGA and hate-filled. They look and act older than I do by a long shot. I work with teams of Gen Z students and stay young by being around them.
You can age without becoming old. Some people chose to be old, and those types tend to hate younger folks and also hated the older people when they were younger themselves.
Right?! I was way more conservative in my teens and have gone way further to the left and less conservative as I've aged.
"When you buy a house you'll understand" ... yeah, nope, maybe it's the fact that it took 3 of us to buy the house instead of ONE salary being able to, but, nope - still not a crazy jackass who has no empathy just to keep my property taxes low.
ETA: Gen Z is great. I love the no fucks given attitude in the workplace and they're a fucking inspiration.
I think you're right. Boomers were much more liberal than their parents but became neoconservatives once they got into housing ownership and the stock market. They then projected their own wants and desires on the next generations and assumed that everyone would follow them.
I was also very conservative as a teen, but that was only because my family lived in a shithole suburb and complained nonstop about California and liberals. As soon as I get away from them, my tune changed pretty much instantly.
There's also such a thing as conditioning that we must recognize. Alt-right groups are actively targeting people for conversion and radicalization into the MAGA mindset.
Innuendo Studios has done a number of videos on this that are well worth watching. Like this one:
YES... and this is why I want to.punch every clown who says "fascism will die off with the Boomers". It never has, and never will
They are also not fundamentally brain damaged by years of the inhalation of lead and then being irradiated by one of the worse nuclear disasters of all time.
I knew about the lead for Gen X. Are you talking about both Millennials and Gen Z not having been poisoned in their developmental years or are you referring to Boomers (and older), some of whom were irradiated and/or got hit by smog, etc. It sounds like you're saying something also happened to Millennials otherwise, and I never heard about this.
No, just gen Z. Even a large number of the Millennial population were fairly exposed. Millennial generation starts in 1981, leaded gas didn't become illegal to sell until 1992. And Chernobyl happened in 1986.
Oh that's right, Chernobyl! There were staggered end dates to the sale of leaded gas though, so the years will vary more or less by continent. Nevertheless, your point remains valid even if the lead pollution was at its peak in the 1970s.
Actually only Gen Z will be free of the epigenetic effects. It actually takes 2 gens of not being exposed for a generation not to be affected.
Actually only Gen Z will be free of the epigenetic effects.
Literally the exact generation we're talking about.
I guess we can say Stoly is not a gen Z then
I quit Lowe's a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the "HR" person typed what I was saying verbatim.
There's no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
But what do you think that accomplished?
Even if the HR person did type it verbatim and show it to you, they're just going to turf it the second you leave and spin a tale that makes their boss happy.
There's zero chance that the upper management who needed to hear what you said actually heard it.
Meh, they get taken seriously at least where I work. Especially if they were a high performer or if there is a significant trend in departures.
That said, some leadership will hear parts that don't make them feel so bad and gasp onto those.
These giant corporations are extremely data driven, and managers who get bad reviews do eventually become squeaky wheels.
Thereâs no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
" Yeah great, well I generally come in at least 15 minutes late. I, uh, use the side door, that way Lumberg can't see me and, uh, after that I just sort a space out for about an hour. Yeah I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for, uh, probably another hour after lunch too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work. Oh yeah, let me tell you something about TPS reports. See the thing is Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care. It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime. So where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob, I have eight different bosses right now. Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation, is not to be hassled. That and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that'll only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired. Listen, I'm going to go. Uh, it's been really nice talking to both of you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well."
This is the first âTikTok trendâ Iâve seen that doesnât make me cringe
The recent rise of sea shanties
Detailed instructions for operating abandoned Russian military vehicles
This
Girl Math
Funny as hell. The manosphere bros who took it seriously made it even funnier
Just wait for the inevitable fakes to show up.
Every TikTok trend should make you cringe. They're all aiding a hostile dictatorship.
honestly you couldâve left a single comment in opposition against tiktok and left it there but had the audacity to voice against it multiple times.
sure tiktok is pure evil spyware, you arenât wrong, but mate just calm down and speak your concerns in a single comment and call it a day.
more karma too lmao
Fuck Karma, I came here to express myself.
with how passionate you are with this opinion i thought you were trolling and farming for internet points
Gen Z is a better generation than mine
As a millennial, I'm proud. Every generation should strive to be better than the last.
Gen-Xer here, and I agree. I'm impressed with all of the younger generations, from you guys to the Zs. Gen-Alpha is still fairly young, but no reason to believe they won't also follow suit.
Other than a significant portion of them getting sucked into bullshit from the likes of Andrew Taint et al.
Can Z fuck the corpos before the corpo algorithms fuck Alpha?
BET NOW!
âGrowing tik toc trendâ only gives one example that weâve all already watched. Either itâs a lie about it being a trend or piss poor reporting.
This is how right-wing idiots got trolled into believing that schools were getting litter boxes for furries.
Wasn't the litter box thing just a suggestion from a lawmaker that refuses to do anything about school shootings?
I want to believe that your joking...but sadly I think I know better by now...
Yeah that was a whole thing like a couple years back. The sad reality iirc is that the litter was for something to do with school shootings, perhaps to help clean up the blood...
It's for the event of a shooting and the class being stuck for hours in the classroom. Since you can't use the toilets for obvious reasons then, students, that need to take a piss, can do it in the litterboxes.
Ah yep that's what it was
My highschool used litter to clean up vomit.
Clearly your school was not metal enough. It's not really a Monday unless someone's bleeding.
This is the most punk rock thing I've seen folks do in a long time.
Have you seen more than the one video floating around? Cuz I've only seen the one, could use some more for the spank bank.
âwe can often tell within three months or less of a sales hire, even during the holidays, whether they're going to be successful or notâ
Did not cancel their Christmas vacation, fire them immediately.
Social media-induced work reform incoming?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.
Get in line, you can't get blood from a stone.
It's already kind of a thing with arbitration clauses being baked into almost every employment contract.
Word of advice, donât give yourselves to corporations that pretend to be human. Donât give yourselves to ANY corporation in fact. Theyâre trash, the idea is trash, they donât care because theyâre not paid to.
I have been working since I was 9 years old. I have never cared about a company and have always been a fuck you kind of guy to companies since I was a product of child labor.
I have managed businesses and they intentionally fuck over employment. Itâs BAKED IN. Every manager that I know goes through being promoted and cutting off your old job friends. Itâs a corporate tactic. Get the cool manager to lead and fuck over the employee because they trust them. It turns people into shit bags. And normalizes shitty people. I have watched it and left District managers in the cold several times. Itâs hilarious to me because many companies are shit.
I have worked in several industries too. Itâs all a scheme to shit on labor. And itâs been this way since before my dumbass parents time. They let it happen because they just âsomething something boot straps.â Fucking weak morons.
Donât waste your time. Just do good enough and save your money so you can find something better to do.
Fuck corporations, especially the weirdos who run them. They were never intended to be around forever, the rich have just molested the system to their benefit. Donât play their games. Record it and report it.
Working since you were 9? My god, that sounds like it fucking sucked
Yea, family businesses donât have labor laws as good as regular people and businesses.
I feel for this woman I really do, but, I don't feel like she did her research beforehand. Had she, she would've immediately seen that cloudflare is an absolutely despicable, corpo nightmare, a shining beacon of what every publicly traded company aspires to be. She could've seen this coming. Or she did and choose to ignore it, thinking it wouldn't happen to her.
I mean, people need jobs to pay the bills. She might have decided it was a risk she'd have to run
The whole talk of "I wanted to believe in this company" is just to disarm the HR people
Been in the tech industry for 15 years now.
Every tech company is shit in some way.
Been at my current company for 9 years. It's pretty great, never had a knife in my back or anything.
And still I remember every day that it's a company, whose only goal in existence is making money, and if a set of numbers on a sheet are balanced in a certain way, I'll still lose my job, regardless of my reputation, work ethos or anything else.
Keeps me grounded I can "believe" in my company without having to really drink the kool-aid.
Valuable information to have for yourself and others
Never cease to amaze me. Go Gen Z.
That's cool n all, but this chick is now blacklisted from every company with an HR staff bigger than 1 over worked offshore person.
We can all applaud trying to stick it to the man, but this is going to show up on every background report for the rest of her life.
I think the point is for you to meditate on that fact.
I did, for all of a couple seconds, then I remembered what's on the background checks for some of the employees I've seen.
Cloudflare is a shit company with a shit reputation. A new employee getting shat on in real time is not something to end your career with.
Bro he's saying that you're supposed to realize how fucked up it is (and ideally be revolted) that corporations - who don't give a shit about you or anyone else - team up to prevent bright young adults from having a career and affording to live as payback for exposing their inhumanity/making them look foolish.
Instead you're over here like "yeah I lick corporate boot and will gladly accept being stepped on if I get to keep my career." This girl is a hero for standing up to the likes of cloudflare and we should all aspire to have her courage.
Keep aspiring...meanwhile India is chomping at the bit to get this job, they'll do it for pennies on the dollar, and depending on the worker, they'll be fucking good at it.
If someone calling out a shit company for being a shit company stops all companies from wanting to hire that person (note: I'm not saying you're wrong about this), more people should be calling out the fact that every single company in America outright regards themselves as shit companies with no intention of changing that fact. That's a far-reaching systemic failure that should not go unchecked. I'm sure most of these influencers know damn well what the risks are, and those risks are part of the problem mate.
That's kind of my point...they have no idea what the risks are. I don't really even think this is a shitty corporate thing. When I do a background check and something like this comes up, I'm not hiring this person. What if she publicly humiliates my company, or my team, or one of my teammates.
You can publicly humiliate me, I'm too old to give a shit.
This will come up on social background checks for the rest of her life. No one is going to risk a hire like that. Especially for something like sales where sales people are a dime a dozen.
What's Cloudflare's shit reputation? I thought they were the go-to service to prevent DDOSing.
I won't work for a company that scores less than 4. (Depending on the size, but that's generally the shit hole threshold)
I've also been concerned about negative outcomes for people based on the videos I've heard about and the one I saw posted before, but that's what makes them so brave. The more they do it and the more such videos are normalized, the less harsh companies can be in retaliation.
Management being assholes is not as much a generational thing (at least, not as much as it seems) as the nature of what corporations expect of managers. The few amazing managers who somehow remain human while doing their job, who are good mentors, etc., are outliers.
I just don't get what the end game is for this. Let's say all of gen Z quits tomorrow over this. All of tech will simply move to Brazil, Eastern Europe, and India.
Since there's really no social safety net, and we don't give a fuck about the homeless...they do what exactly?
For example...the fortune 50 I worked at for a while has enough money to stop selling all their products and still be solvent for about a century at their current spend.
If they faced a general strike, they can hold out for generations. How long can the average American hold out for?
This general audience of this site feels like 15-25...they don't realize the kind of power the big players have.
This is a step towards humanizing workers, legitimizing their concerns, and building solidarity so people are closer to being on the same page and might maybe agree that something needs to be done. Probably not from this cultural moment, but if enough of them like this happen in succession and get enough attention, then something could change. If you want to discuss parallel economies and mutual aid networks, that's a whole other discussion.
You can't make a stand and ignore the realities of the world around you. Competition for work is a very valid concern if you're about to strike.
Wow, they're almost showing signs of intelligence. So close.
Gen Z is also more compassionate than we were at that age, they know about things like consent and when someone is uncomfortable but not verbally expressing it. They also stabilize in the job market as they age up.
Means fuck all when they give China blank checks en masse. If I could choose a compassionate dead person or a logical alive one, I would rather Gen Z learned to protect themselves better.
Fuck off with that noise. The whole damn world is giving China money you fool. Who do you think makes everything we consume.
TikTok is no worse than FB just different governments and from what Iâve seen the USA has done more to harm the world than China. And Iâm a Brit that has a government that has committed horrors of epic proportions.
Chinese Exports have very recently plunged as a result of embargoes and tariffs due solely to how the rest of the world views them as a threat. FB Meta is paying a 5 Bn USD FCC Fine for how they handle data, more fines in other nations as well, and is currently in lawsuits in several countries as well. TikTok is worse because when they cause serious irreparable harm they don't get sued or fined in their homeland: they get rewarded for a job well done.
lol as if Gen Z earns enough money to give blank cheques to anyone
If it takes them pennies to use an automated fraud system on millions of people then it doesn't matter how little they can take, but taking a small amount from those who have little is more damaging than a large amount from people with wealth to spare. Median wealth in the USA for under 35 is $39,000 and average is $183,500 .
Imagine the majority of an entire generation with frozen credit scores unable to obtain vehicles, homes, business loans, and with identities so thoroughly compromised that the thieves have a better chance of verifying themselves than the real person. Tens of Millions of people. The USA would become financially crippled when extreme poverty is already a concern according to UN Special Investigations. It could ruin us for decades.
Even if YOU have nothing to lose, why would unashamedly wish that harm on so many others? For vines, but worse.
Better be including all ages then because everyone is on that thing.
Everyone who uses it is a threat to themselves and our society as a whole, that is how big a threat I think it is and I wholeheartedly believe China is willing to make full use of the authority they've been given. But it's mostly the kids.
And I assume this is self reported data, so it's probably even more children than just that.
Your stats show it's not just kids...
Unless you consider anyone under 50 to be kids.
My stats show the largest age group is kids, and the lower the age the higher the user percentage.
So kids: 25% ok
Non kifs: 75%
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Let's say for a moment that the largest demographic being actual children and young adults is not substantial for some reason, who gives a fuck? We're in a thread under a post about GEN Z doing a TIKTOK TREND. My outrage at Gen Z using TikTok is relevant, you're whataboutism for the other age demographics is pointless.
This shows an almost perfectly even distribution across all age groups ...
It shows exactly what I said it shows, but also why does it even matter in the context of this discussion?
Because you're blaming the kids but 75% of the users aren't kids
I am blaming everyone, as I clearly stated several times. The post itself is specifically about the kids.
Brittany is a narcissist who got fired because she makes everything about Brittany.. she didn't even allow the HR guy to finish a sentence before she had to actually interrupt him and start explaining why they were wrong.. you got fired because you don't listen, Brittany baby..
They fired her, listening to these folks ain't her job anymore.
The meeting was specifically about her. That's not narcissistic.
She knew she was being laid off, so there's no need to hear the HR person out to completion. Say your part, and be on your way.
Here's your breakfast
uh huh, bunch of rebel memers
Whoa whoa whoa you cant just let boss say that to you. Not with dirty shoes! Get those shoes cleaned up first before you talk again and make sure to say thank you
Boot licker
you're a narcissist worshipper, like a lot of people nowadays.. you answer the call to the Cult of Personality..
I get that no one likes to be fired, especially if they feel that they were let go unfairly, but this seems like it will result in missing out on other job opportunities afterwards. If I was a hiring manager and saw a video like this from a prospective employee I would just throw their application straight in the garbage. If they will post this then who knows what kind of private company details they will post about if I were to hire them
I hope that these videos encourage others to leave, get their bag, or not apply to companies that employ shady at best firing policies. If I saw a person standing up for themselves in a place where corporate culture squashes out hope and individuality, I'd be more likely to hire them if my corporate culture actually matched the vibe of the person recording themselves getting fired.
Yeah, name and shame companies firing people for nothing or to pad quarterly profits. Not everyone can afford to be choosey in their employer but for those that can I hope stuff like this starves those companies of talent.
What isn't a shady firing practice?
Firing someone after telling them they need to improve their work performance and giving them a chance to do so?
The thing is, there's a difference between being let go as part of a mass layoff and being fired for cause. I've seen several of these videos where the employer is telling people they're being fired for low performance, but they were also firing a large number of other people at the same time, and they hadn't been employed long enough for "low performance" to be a realistic claim. In some cases, being fired for cause means you don't get access to unemployment benefits. If they're actually part of a mass layoff they should be entitled to those benefits. But the company doesn't want to admit that they regularly lay people off, so instead they list the dismissals as firings for cause.
I feel like getting fired or laid off is like being broken up with, along with the emotions attached. It is bullshit that a company can fire for cause a significant part of their workforce to prevent them from getting a severance or unemployment, but there isn't a good system to choose who to lay off.
I hear you. I think this is one of those things that becomes effective when most of your candidates are likely to have posted something like this at some point. Kind of like participation in a strike (or any union activity) only becomes useful when most other employees are also participating.
The problem is half the time they are being laid off, but the company frames it as a firing so they can save money. Getting fired by your previous employer will destroy your job prospects far more directly than some video on social media that only a few percent of recruiters will ever even be aware of. It makes sense to take a unified stand against such a bullshit practice.
If they are in some way dodging contracted benefits like severance, are in any way defaming the employee, or are trying to prevent unemployment claims, it is going to be illegal to invent cause. People really misunderstand "at will" and think it means that an employer can fire you for any reason at all. It doesn't. It means they can fire you for no reason at all. They cannot fire you for a protected, illegal, or fake reason, and they still are going to have to honor your contract, make good on the unemployment, et cetera.
There really isn't any difference between a "no cause"/at will termination and a layoff. Maybe some fine technical points, but for the layman it's the same thing.
And in many states what a previous employer can say to a future employer as part of a reference check is limited -- in Cali, for example, any "malicious" statements can get you in a lot of trouble. If you suspect a previous employer might be doing this, talk to a labor lawyer.
Recording and trying to go viral with these exit interviews is the wrong response if you feel you are being wronged. Sure, record it (if it is legal to do so), but definitely do not upload anything until you have talked to a labor attorney.
The interview that set this trend off literally exposed them creating fake metrics to mass-fire employees that they utterly failed at explaining in any coherent way. I think you underestimate how willing companies are to skirt labor laws based on risk/reward analysis of their potential liabilities in the off chance that they get taken to court. Social media levels the playing field and changes that risk/reward calculation.
I didn't make any statements about whether this employer had behaved illegally, so I am not estimating anything, over or under.
I am saying that victims should first talk to labor attorneys because there is a lot more you can do. The playing field is flatter than you think. Taking this to battle-by-media should not be the first response or starting point, it should be pretty far towards the end of the war.
If I was a hiring manager and saw a video like this from a prospective employee I would just throw their application straight in the garbage.
You probably wouldn't be a hiring manager very long with that attitude. I don't get the appeal either, but I don't do tiktok so. Just from the linked piece, it sounds like it's becoming increasingly common.
Quite a leap to posting private company details online. Where are those stored by the way? Office 365? SharePoint? The cloud?..
If I was a hiring manager, I wouldn't be looking at people's social media because I only care what their expected compensation, experience, and/or education is. Everything else past their CV is irrelevant unless they need a security clearance or will be working in a sensitive environment.
Good soft skills are also pretty important for a new hire. You often want someone that can be a good communicator, can get lots of different people aligned on an initiative, and can handle conflict in a constructive way.
A lot of employers peak at social media for clues about this stuff. If someone is a jerk online, they might also be a jerk in the office once they get comfortable.
Absolutely this! I work in tech and itâs shocking how much casual racism and sexism gets tossed around. It is super hard to build a cohesive team when one of the men wonât let a woman coworker speak because he doesnât like their use of the word âweâ when describing their team.
Dumb tic-tok trends and stupid dance videos are not what employers are looking for.
Sounds like a problem for a manager or supervisor to coach or mentor. If they don't work out despite their qualifications, they don't work out despite their qualifications.
I would. I want to hire someone I could have lunch with, communicate without awkwardness, and be able to appropriately empathize with whatever their situation is.
That being said, posting their firing would get them bonus points from me. I love people that stand up for themselves, have an opinion, and arenât afraid to be wrong.
If a company is firing you, fuck their "private company details." You should have zero loyalty or obligation to an entity that's potentially going to make you go hungry/homeless. Criminal disclosures will be covered by law already, so all you're doing is slurping up the boot juice and perpetuating the culture of silence that allows companies and capital owners to pit workers against one another
I never said anything about protecting the company that fired you. I have no idea where you got that. My point was that if you do something that proves to potential employers that you're going to cry on social media every time your unhappy about anything, it means they're going to be much less likely to hire you
Sounds like it is a good tactic for them to dodge future shitty employers
I get both sides of the argument here. I think we need to have this big reaction because companies have held so much power over employees for so long - I'll avoid ranting about worker-owned cooperatives here - but the past few years I've surprised myself by moving into a bit of a "slippery slope" camp with these things. Not to say it shouldn't happen, but that we need to be prepared for the follow-up.
Hopefully related example, in education: There were some really big push backs recently where I am over bad treatment of the students in highschool, all legit. The school board ignored it for a long time, it got bad, they finally took it seriously. Then they overcorrected and stopped believing teachers at all and started jumping straight to firing at almost any complaint. Then students started weaponizing complaints, and now teachers are getting fired for trying to enforce deadlines and for giving low marks because students are complaining about how deadlines, grades, and meeting grading requirements are detrimental to mental health and well-being, and now there are a bunch of these students from this board in my university classes failing hard and filing complaints about courses being too difficult and other things despite them having glowing reviews just a few years prior.
I guess what I'm getting at: I think it's fair for someone to choose not to hire people like this because it's possible that the people willing to stand up and make an important fuss over these things might not know where the line stands between a worthwhile complaint and a non-worthwhile one, and might make a company look badexternally even though it's doing good internally, just not to someone new to the workforce's expectations.
I also think it's fair to go the opposite direction, because ultimately we need major change in the way companies/everything are structured that lead to these nasty layoffs and poor conditions and if someone does raise issues where there aren't, hopefully we are prepared enough and in the right enough to take it seriously, but weather it and act in everyone's best interests.
Of course you would as you wouldnât want to hire someone that stands up for themselves. Seems youâd just want to hire punching bags aye.
Iâm a hiring manager. I have trouble even imagining the kind of person that would just throw a lead into the trash because of a recording of them getting fired. Who does that? What do you possibly have to gain by doing that? Because you have a lot to lose, especially if that candidate got far enough in the process for you to be researching their background. Nobody gets that far unless they are a very good fit.
Not because they recorded it, though that's bad, but because they did something idiotic to follow a trend. I don't need that energy on my team.
Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I'll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.
The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.
Now people have no choice ... they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.
People were always aware of the bullshit ... in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it ... now people can't.
Cost benefit analysis. I'm Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen "company loyalty" and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.
I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn't say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn't have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.
You don't need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now
Much easier said than done.
I know, I'm an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it's worth it.
I mean, I genuinely think that all we need is a *How to unionize for dummies" like a video or guide. I'm pretty clever, pretty Marxist and I still found myself overwhelmed when I wanted to start the process in my last job. Calling a local Local didn't help much either.
Guillotines aren't particularly difficult to assemble.
They are exceedingly difficult to get away with using, nowadays, unfortunately.
Well, not with that attitude.
Started with Gen X, which is why the baby boomers retiring is creating such a desperate demographic crisis. Nobody wants to buy into such an obviously corrupt system, which has rewarded every consecutive generation with less and less compensation despite the abundantly obvious massive advances in productivity. People are realizing that most of their work is not at all about generating value, but instead is all about occupying their time and energy in an apparent attempt to reduce competition.
If you could ask for early retirement now then they would get power that much quicker
I'd have to not be a broke Gen-Xer for that to make much sense.
Oh i feel ya. I just get ideas when im stoned.
Adopt both UBI and lower retirement to 45 at the oldest.
The world will be an amazing place
Oh boy I can dream. đ
They're literally following a TikTok Trend. They're submerged deep into bullshit and eating it up.
And for many of them it will bite them in the ass.
Yeah the Gen-Xers who have been beaten into submission acknowledge that not having a job or any prospects kinda sucks.
I was more thinking about the laws against recording people, and particularly publishing those recordings. Along with the recordings being proof of other things, like maybe the person who took snacks on their way out could be accused of theft.
thats everyone at their age.
the difference is they can broadcast it into the world now.
Nah. When I was a kid, my peers were happy to bend over backwards to work harder for nothing extra.
Times have changed. That's what happens as the disparity in wealth continues to grow. More people feel disenfranchised.
i was never that dumb to work for free, my friends werent either, sorry to hear your friends were.
Hmm that's some of it, probably. I don't think it's all of it. And even if so, I think that phenomenon can build further momentum.
id go as far as doubting its at all of it, but AFAICT every recent generation had some good thinking about the problems and were keen on dissenting somehow when they were young.
even a lot of the boomers (who are seen as very conservative now) had their counterculture thing when they were young.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
100% agree there.
Society will probably collapse by 2040.
2030 is my guess because roughly half of the kids from the 60s will be mid 60s then and retire or be unable to keep on hustling because of age while all support systems will get into absolute overload.
It's seven years until 2030.
5 years 10 months 20 days
You might want to recheck your math on that one
Well either see a brutal market recession as the boomers die off and/or sell off their retirement portfolio to buy more sand for their hourglass, while everyone else is too broke to buy it at the âmarket valueâ their financial planner promised them in 1992
Or capitalists will sweep in and buy it for cheap, exacerbating the housing crisis and continuing to make life unaffordable
Either way weâre in trouble
i think you underestimate how bad it can get before they can't stop a collapse anymore.
we already have a big homeless population and old people already in dire situations. i think that was the spark that got them so politicized in the first place.
and the biggest factors will probably be more related to climate change which will take a bit more time to reeeeally fuck with us.
"Gen Z kids refuse to learn math!" Tune in to hear more at 11.
Joke is: I'm one of these boomers, born in the 1960s đ
Classic example of rage math - I'm always furious about the shit and the terror my generation didn't prevent. We knew and know everything and chose and choose to carry on.
Assholes all around. I'm dead serious about this.
Thats the current estimate of scientists at MIT at least.
First mistake was giving your whole life. Second mistake was believing in a company.
Having survived a layoff like the one they mentioned - people getting random 15 minute meetings, suddenly seeing their accounts decommissioned, etc. - it definitely sucks, and knowing they'll lay me off like that means I have no reason to have loyalty
I think most people make this mistake when first entering the workforce though, right? I know I did. Now, I get called pessimistic and cynical. But, I've got three decades of experience at various levels of company. With all that experience, I'd prefer to call myself a realist.
Recruiters aren't blind to it either, at least for more senior roles. They stopped talking about the "family" that they are, and how much more "fun" it is to work there. They also stopped asking me why I chose this company, and instead ask me why I chose this role, because they know I don't give a shit about the company. They cut straight to "here is the pay and benefits, we give extra for this that and that". It should be like that for all levels, from junior to director.
Yes, it should be. But businesses aren't people, they don't have a conscience, they don't care about their employees. They will use any tool they can to underpay someone, and work that same person harder than the rest of the team paid more. Because, they can.
Millennial / Gen X cusp here. I feel like this really started with my generation. Many people no longer look for a job, they look for a job that allows them to make the world a slightly better place. Many of us have had that drilled into our heads from childhood.
Companies know this, so thatâs what they sell when theyâre hiring. And when you combine that with the cognitive bias for people wanting to do good through their work, this is the result.
Bingo. I mean I accepted pretty early on that A. I wouldn't enjoy working and B. Someone else is going to make a lot of money off what I do.
As long as I work for an employer that does something or makes something that can be a net positive, I feel like I've found something good.
-is the lie I keep telling myself
This is effectively the only tool we will ever have against them, and we should use it before too much of the labor force is converted and automated, and the remaining employed shut up out of fear.
A company like Microsoft worth 3 trillion dollars (with a T), who spends billions to acquire another business in a strategic move, should not be allowed to dump the burden on the thousands of people they let go afterwards, just so the books look good.
They pull billions out of the company in profit, and then claim the company is broke and needs to distribute some losses socially. It's completely insane that we just allow this to happen in mass. I'm lucky I can choose my companies and I don't touch the big big corporations so it doesn't affect me, but we need to do something collectively fast.
I worked for them in a division that was very customer facing. We got told over and over things we needed to improve the experience weren't in the budget. I always vaguely waved my hands in the air with a "look at the piles of money" face.
I worked at Disney+ in IT for 5 years, they gave me a yearly incentive to stay with them, bonuses, and my 5 years of service pin... and then laid me off a month later.
Bet that person is never loyal again. Live and learn.
As a Gen-Xer who's been beaten into believing you can't realistically "fight the man", I fucking love the Gen-Z attitude.
The housing market is fucked, economic mobility is fucked, the climate is fucked. They've already lost to the man, what else do they have to lose?
Seriously. Give them hell Gen-Z!
The kids are alright!
As a millennial, I honestly have a lot of respect for Gen Z. I feel like they are slowly but surely figuring out how to stick it to the man and generate awareness of how the big corporations are slimy scum and don't see employees as "People". Go Gen Z!
Honestly they've been incredible. They've been politically active since they were teens and they care more about work/life balance than any other generation before (anecdotally). They've been dealt a shit hand but I'm rooting for them.
I was thinking about this just yesterday. After watching Frankie's cultural observation on boomers, where he says that "boomers are the first generation in history that wanted to do better than their children", I asked myself what have us millennials done. I settled on this, we broke the generational cycle of abuse and bullying of our kids. The boomers parents, while the "greatest" generation, were raised by an even stricter generation of parents who believed in things like not picking up a crying baby, and probably resulted in Boomer parents that, thanks to WW2, were also an untreated PTSD generation. Alcoholism was just dad's being dad's and pre ww2 moms stayed home to keep home and hearth with a little help from the snuff tin. Several generations of war torn parents ignorant of how to deal with what they went through, raising more kids for the next war. From the civil war to Vietnam, every generation had a war or two on their plate. Then our small communities were randomly spread out into suburban experiments to support the industrial revolution. Now no one knows their neighbor, they just go to work. Then the millennials were sent to war. We had heard the stories growing up about how great our nations fighting forces were. Now it was our turn. We had the most righteous of reasons to fight. But this time, when looking to the boomers to lead us, we found a bunch of disfunctional brats. Their maturity was a ruse. They didn't know any better than we did on how to deal with this world. Their parents won the great war, setup the economy, spanked them, never hugged them, and then handed them the keys to the company and retired to Florida. So the bratty boomers without a clue bullied their kids out the door and into the world. There we stood, 18 and primed to take it on. But there was nothing left to take. Then the bubble they blew popped and we shipped out to Afghanistan, and then Iraq, and even after 20 years we still had nothing to show for it. No house, no good paying job, no health care, and a degree with the weight of never ending debt chained to it. The boomers are and always have been, brats. You see them out there on their Harley's brrrraaaaatttting around. So when we started having kids, we said no. No we're not going to beat our kids, no we're not going to shame them for who they love, no we're not going to "be a man" and shut up about our war trauma. But the brats still had all the power. They refused to let go of their toy. So we put ourselves to work on trying to fix the only thing we had the power to fix, ourselves. We started normalizing therapy, researching drug and alcohol addiction. We dug into the data. We acted like adults, we admitted we have a problem and we did the rigorous and SCIENTIFIC work of finding the solutions. We broke the cycle. We've really earnestly tried to raise thoughtful, honest about themselves, proud adults who ask why. We didn't ignore them, we answered them honestly, we admitted there's a problem. But we don't have enough time to set it right in our life time. The brats won't let go. We need Gen Z to carry the torch forward. Question everything, do the hard work, admit when you were wrong, be willing to change your mind when new data is discovered. I'm proud of these kids. I want them to do better than us. We got your back kid.
Dont mean to 'burst your bubble', but as a Gen-Xer who took allot of abuse from my Boomer parents, and ended up a 'latch key kid' to boot, I made sure to not pass that on to my Millennial children. At all. So that trend was happening allot earlier than you think.
Also, 'wall of text' is tough to read. Paragraphs are our friends. :)
I imagine they might have been bamboozled like I have been quite a few times, where a proper formatted line break is actually 2 line breaks in the editor instead of just one?
Just a guess haha.
line break test. one. meow meow. two
meow
EDIT: You are correct. One line break does fk all. Two "Enters" are required
That's the same in any editor.
If you are at the end of a sentence, and you want to start a new paragraph, you always hit the enter key twice.
What?
Clicking enter while typing in a comment/post will put you on a new line in the text editor, but Markdown interprets this as a regular space.
Having two line breaks (enter twice) in the editor tells Markdown to leave an empty line and then start in a new line.
You would be hitting enter twice to start a new paragraph in any Lemmy editor. Thats how you always start a new paragraph.
What do you mean? In Word, you click enter once, and the paragraph spacing is done automatically based on existing paramters. While not every word processor is Word, I'd argue that the one-enter process I described is still a pretty legitimate form of starting a paragraph.
We're on Lemmy.
You're at the end of a sentence, you just typed the period. Now you want to start a new paragraph. You hit the enter key, twice.
If you specifically meant on Lemmy, you shouldn't use language like "any editor" lol. Anyways, you edited your old comment just to continue being an asshat, so this was a waste of time. Bye!
Next time I'll have my lawyers review my comments before posting, and be sure to say something along the lines of "any editor *that you would use to post a comment on an Internet forum, and not while writing a word processing document". /s
I've got to give up assuming on Lemmy, as 'people' argue about the weirdest fucking minutia here.
Any Markdown editor, yes. But not everyone is familiar with Markdown formatting. People coming from text editors, forums, and word processors expect a single enter to start a new paragraph.
Even in a text forum, or a text editor, you usually double-enter between paragraphs. Single enter just looks too crowded.
I'm using the website, and the standard editor. /shrug
I'm not aware of anyone who uses a word processor to leave a comment on Lemmy.
Incredible and inspiring assessment. Thank you for sharing it with the world.
create awaraness for something that people already aware of since the dawn of human race?
You might be shocked to learn that an alarming number of people historically did not know that corpos are evil.
I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.
I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.
Then you share the text messages. Even easier
So it costs even less bandwidth to share?
I'm surprised some are defending the CloudFlare HR rep. How is it "confrontational" to ask questions? At that point, all I would care about is unemployment and setting the record straight.
These recordings could save your ass.
Funny how quickly and easily the media can turn "generations" against each other
I love Gen Z, which is why I'm so upset that the dumb fucks are using TikTok.
Can't blame them, my generation popularized social networks even after finding out what they were for.
Don't blame me, I ditched Facebook as soon as my mom joined and never looked back.
I can blame them for picking the one that is spyware for the world's largest hostile dictatorship, you absolute concavebrain moron. Anybody who at this point doesn't realize what TikToks intended purpose is are willfully ignorant.
What's with the fucking attitude? Chill.
150 Million Americans are giving the keys to the kingdom to a hostile militaristic dictatorship with the potential to do harm on a scale beyond anything you've ever seen
in return for vines but worse.
This is one of those issues where "GET MAD" is the correct response.
"GET MAD" at the proper institution/organizations/companies, not your fellow commenter, who is not even denying what you're saying. I'm not saying you're wrong, you're just being a dick about it.
I live in a democracy. The proper institutions and organizations to police this issue is my fellow commentator.
If you want someone to listen to you, stop calling them morons. Have a good one.
SHAMING WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES.
"Hostile militaristic dictatorship" is just the United States. There's almost zero difference between the US and China in those regards. The only real difference is that Chinese citizens are actually being lifted out of poverty at a rate not seen at any point in history while the US is continuing to impoverish their citizens. Both of them spy on their citizens and have insanely racist cultures.
There's no moral difference between using TikTok and Facebook.
Ji Xinping has no term limit and was unanimously reelected by the single party congress, completely unopposed. China does not select their leadership.
The USA criminalizes and punishes misconduct like massive data collection, such as the FCC fining FaceBook 5 Bn USD, but China created and operates an even more invasive and far reaching data collection scheme on their own with TikTok.
Face it, loyal dog, China is the same monster it has been for a century, just waiting to add millions more bodies to the pile.
Believing the USA has better motives is pretty moronic too. Especially if you live in the USA
Oh is the local Democracy who fines companies like FaceBook billions for doing exactly what TikTok is trying to do
equivalent in your eyes to
The Militaristic Expansionist Hostile Dictatorship who created TikTok to do exactly what FaceBook did and rewards them accordingly?
Thanks for you opinion, dude.
Again, you need to take a step back. The USA has had much more aggressive and violent international policies than China. It being a democracy (which is itself arguable) does not matter.
And Snowden showed us that the USA are, again, not better than China in terms of mass surveillance.
China is a problem, but if you can't see why the global south sees them as a balancing force rather than a threat, well, again, take a step back.
China is literally annexing it's neighboring countries and killing multiple different ethnic minorities en masse. Not 60 years ago, not 10 years ago, right now. It's happening right now.
Because they are a Dictatorship. They're being ruled by an unaccountable class of people.
You know why Snowden was such a big deal? Because an arm of the US Government did something illegal by its own laws and he exposed it, leading to massive controversy and political action. Because in the USA the people have protections against that sort of thing.
Don't worry, it's spreading to Gen X and Y too.
That's perfect. Once old folks take over the platform, it will be uncool and die.
I just assumed Biden's little video about cookies was the end of it.
I don't care what the source is, if there's a Gen [insert whatever] or Millennials might be to blame for [insert whatever] I'm already at a -10 on the trust meter right out the gate.
I didn't try my first avocado toast until like a year ago and lemme tell ya. Seeing as how eating it somehow went back in time and made me unable to afford a house, I expected it to be a lot more magical.
Ahhh so that's why I'm broke, sometime in the future I eat avocado toast.
I see it plenty without the media stoking it. Here on Lemmy, etc.
It's the same dumb tribalism as always, often backed up by some real data or trends (that tend to get twisted)
No, not every "boomer" is spoiled and ruining America, and 75% of the people you call boomers aren't even boomers. Not every Gen Z is lazy and entitled and scrolling phones all day. Etc.
Crabs in a bucket. If we can't find the things that make us alike with our cohorts, it's going to be very difficult to ever affect any sort of change.
Boomers don't consider any generation after them "cohorts". They consider them subservient.
The median age of U.S. senators is 65. Who do you think is voting for those people?
The Boomer generation absolutely deserves to be shit on.
Who do you think refuses to vote against them?
Jeff
Exactly, fuck Jeff!
Who the fuck would we vote for? Genocide Joe or Cheeto Mussolini? They rigged the primary against Bernie twice. Democracy is fucked in this country.
Buddy I'm not here to convince you of anything. If you wanna believe not showing up to vote is just as bad as making a conscious decision and the effort to vote for these procorporate trash ghouls in the Senate that's your choice. As for me: I choose to say Boomers are responsible for who they vote for and who they vote for is trash, so they are trash.
Good call, let's vote against genocidal Joe.
the way they alienate gen z as being "conditioned" to like social feedback on ticktok is really denigrating to me. As if every other generation was not conditioned to believe certain social taboos, mores and practices. Same old "young kids don't know shit" rhetoric. Which viewers at home will just ingest w/o any sort of critical thought process.
Also how quickly they can invent 'trends' we should be fearful of simply because some middle-aged reporter watched a couple similar videos online. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go eat some tide pods before my scheduled game of knockout.
If you're confused about who to blame, remember that one side debates on whether they should purchase a mega yacht, or have a more reasonable "support" yacht trailing the main one for their helicopter/staff.
Not even Millennials see action against your employer as 'betrayal'. Company loyalty is dead, and this professor is out of touch.
Pretty sure the betrayal is for future employers that may look you up
You're not reading well. Wrong side.
Not having a problem with something and noting a possible risk arenât exclusive
Which side the betrayal is being called.
Company loyalty when you are getting fired is something really weird. What would it even be based on? I understand parting on good terms etc, but loyalty? There wouldn't be any space for loyalty in such a situation even in feudal contracts.
If the majority do it, it can no longer be extreme.
I'm enjoying the generational divide coming from Gen-Z.
Previous generations wanting to avoiding "burning bridges" only served corporate interests.
Workers need stop fearing our corporate overlords. We out number them.
They've manipulated the political process to shattered the social contract and must be held accountable.
I'm still partial to dragging them into the street since it worked quite well a century but this is a good step towards lighting that powder keg.
As a millennial I fucking love gen z
What exactly worked quite well? The USSR and other "socialist" countries worked well only for those outside their territory, acting as some kind of counterbalance, I'll admit that.
What was inside was an even more extreme form of what you call "corporate overlords", because there wasn't even an illusion of choice, your path changing employers would be similar to transferring between places in a military, the new employer would see every shitty thing the previous one decided to write about you, and they wouldn't care what you have to say about that generally.
You seem to have taken this comment in some random direction that is pro-capitalism
I am not going to take the time to go through all the scenarios as to how violent uprisings resulted in the standards or work we have today simply because you can't understand a common idiom.
I understand plenty, miss some, and also there are people not worth understanding.
oh no, I won't get dick shit, which is exactly what I was going to get anyway. What a gigantic shame
I was watching Wendover's billionaire social calendar last night. They have ships whose sole purpose is to transport their yachts from the Mediterranean to the Caribbean so they don't have to deal with actual transoceanic sailing. Like they literally load the yacht onto the ship like a big cargo rig.
Yeah most people probably already had the double edged sword in their teeth. Shitty professor is out of touch.
The gall to speak like that of somebody publicizing the way one of their contacts with equal sides was terminated. Not even "mutual betrayal", LOL.
It sucks when people think an organization has more rights than a person. If there's a contract between two, then they are on the same level.
CBS News. Viacom. I wonder who benefits from making these threats against these kids.. hmmm
I'm glad it's happening, but... fuck, why does it have to?
Greed and they don't give a fuck about you. And it's going to keep happening, again and again, until we change it.
The kids are alright
Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict
As an older GenX I thank the Millenials for that. Generation Z seems to love their consumerism a little too much but at least they seem to know who's screwing them and its not the poor folk.
My favourite generation so far
I've been hearing about how older generations always hate younger generations all my life. How I must be destined to grow in to some crochety old man by 40.
I gotta say these kids seem like they're headed in a pretty good direction, they're funny, they're not taking shit, frankly it seems like it's going pretty well.
Yeah dude. I'm Xilenial, was told how I would grow up and be just like them. No, really, becoming old is a choice. My younger brothers are full on MAGA and hate-filled. They look and act older than I do by a long shot. I work with teams of Gen Z students and stay young by being around them.
You can age without becoming old. Some people chose to be old, and those types tend to hate younger folks and also hated the older people when they were younger themselves.
Right?! I was way more conservative in my teens and have gone way further to the left and less conservative as I've aged.
"When you buy a house you'll understand" ... yeah, nope, maybe it's the fact that it took 3 of us to buy the house instead of ONE salary being able to, but, nope - still not a crazy jackass who has no empathy just to keep my property taxes low.
ETA: Gen Z is great. I love the no fucks given attitude in the workplace and they're a fucking inspiration.
I think you're right. Boomers were much more liberal than their parents but became neoconservatives once they got into housing ownership and the stock market. They then projected their own wants and desires on the next generations and assumed that everyone would follow them.
I was also very conservative as a teen, but that was only because my family lived in a shithole suburb and complained nonstop about California and liberals. As soon as I get away from them, my tune changed pretty much instantly.
There's also such a thing as conditioning that we must recognize. Alt-right groups are actively targeting people for conversion and radicalization into the MAGA mindset.
Innuendo Studios has done a number of videos on this that are well worth watching. Like this one:
https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?feature=shared
YES... and this is why I want to.punch every clown who says "fascism will die off with the Boomers". It never has, and never will
They are also not fundamentally brain damaged by years of the inhalation of lead and then being irradiated by one of the worse nuclear disasters of all time.
I knew about the lead for Gen X. Are you talking about both Millennials and Gen Z not having been poisoned in their developmental years or are you referring to Boomers (and older), some of whom were irradiated and/or got hit by smog, etc. It sounds like you're saying something also happened to Millennials otherwise, and I never heard about this.
No, just gen Z. Even a large number of the Millennial population were fairly exposed. Millennial generation starts in 1981, leaded gas didn't become illegal to sell until 1992. And Chernobyl happened in 1986.
Oh that's right, Chernobyl! There were staggered end dates to the sale of leaded gas though, so the years will vary more or less by continent. Nevertheless, your point remains valid even if the lead pollution was at its peak in the 1970s.
Actually only Gen Z will be free of the epigenetic effects. It actually takes 2 gens of not being exposed for a generation not to be affected.
Literally the exact generation we're talking about.
I guess we can say Stoly is not a gen Z then
I quit Lowe's a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the "HR" person typed what I was saying verbatim.
There's no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
But what do you think that accomplished?
Even if the HR person did type it verbatim and show it to you, they're just going to turf it the second you leave and spin a tale that makes their boss happy.
There's zero chance that the upper management who needed to hear what you said actually heard it.
Meh, they get taken seriously at least where I work. Especially if they were a high performer or if there is a significant trend in departures.
That said, some leadership will hear parts that don't make them feel so bad and gasp onto those.
These giant corporations are extremely data driven, and managers who get bad reviews do eventually become squeaky wheels.
" Yeah great, well I generally come in at least 15 minutes late. I, uh, use the side door, that way Lumberg can't see me and, uh, after that I just sort a space out for about an hour. Yeah I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I'm working. I do that for, uh, probably another hour after lunch too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work. Oh yeah, let me tell you something about TPS reports. See the thing is Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care. It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime. So where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob, I have eight different bosses right now. Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation, is not to be hassled. That and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that'll only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired. Listen, I'm going to go. Uh, it's been really nice talking to both of you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well."
This is the first âTikTok trendâ Iâve seen that doesnât make me cringe
Funny as hell. The manosphere bros who took it seriously made it even funnier
Just wait for the inevitable fakes to show up.
Every TikTok trend should make you cringe. They're all aiding a hostile dictatorship.
honestly you couldâve left a single comment in opposition against tiktok and left it there but had the audacity to voice against it multiple times.
sure tiktok is pure evil spyware, you arenât wrong, but mate just calm down and speak your concerns in a single comment and call it a day.
more karma too lmao
Fuck Karma, I came here to express myself.
with how passionate you are with this opinion i thought you were trolling and farming for internet points
Gen Z is a better generation than mine
As a millennial, I'm proud. Every generation should strive to be better than the last.
Gen-Xer here, and I agree. I'm impressed with all of the younger generations, from you guys to the Zs. Gen-Alpha is still fairly young, but no reason to believe they won't also follow suit.
Other than a significant portion of them getting sucked into bullshit from the likes of Andrew Taint et al.
Can Z fuck the corpos before the corpo algorithms fuck Alpha?
BET NOW!
âGrowing tik toc trendâ only gives one example that weâve all already watched. Either itâs a lie about it being a trend or piss poor reporting.
This is how right-wing idiots got trolled into believing that schools were getting litter boxes for furries.
Wasn't the litter box thing just a suggestion from a lawmaker that refuses to do anything about school shootings?
I want to believe that your joking...but sadly I think I know better by now...
Yeah that was a whole thing like a couple years back. The sad reality iirc is that the litter was for something to do with school shootings, perhaps to help clean up the blood...
It's for the event of a shooting and the class being stuck for hours in the classroom. Since you can't use the toilets for obvious reasons then, students, that need to take a piss, can do it in the litterboxes.
Ah yep that's what it was
My highschool used litter to clean up vomit.
Clearly your school was not metal enough. It's not really a Monday unless someone's bleeding.
This is the most punk rock thing I've seen folks do in a long time.
Have you seen more than the one video floating around? Cuz I've only seen the one, could use some more for the spank bank.
Social media-induced work reform incoming?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.
Get in line, you can't get blood from a stone.
It's already kind of a thing with arbitration clauses being baked into almost every employment contract.
Word of advice, donât give yourselves to corporations that pretend to be human. Donât give yourselves to ANY corporation in fact. Theyâre trash, the idea is trash, they donât care because theyâre not paid to.
I have been working since I was 9 years old. I have never cared about a company and have always been a fuck you kind of guy to companies since I was a product of child labor.
I have managed businesses and they intentionally fuck over employment. Itâs BAKED IN. Every manager that I know goes through being promoted and cutting off your old job friends. Itâs a corporate tactic. Get the cool manager to lead and fuck over the employee because they trust them. It turns people into shit bags. And normalizes shitty people. I have watched it and left District managers in the cold several times. Itâs hilarious to me because many companies are shit.
I have worked in several industries too. Itâs all a scheme to shit on labor. And itâs been this way since before my dumbass parents time. They let it happen because they just âsomething something boot straps.â Fucking weak morons.
Donât waste your time. Just do good enough and save your money so you can find something better to do.
Fuck corporations, especially the weirdos who run them. They were never intended to be around forever, the rich have just molested the system to their benefit. Donât play their games. Record it and report it.
Working since you were 9? My god, that sounds like it fucking sucked
Yea, family businesses donât have labor laws as good as regular people and businesses.
I feel for this woman I really do, but, I don't feel like she did her research beforehand. Had she, she would've immediately seen that cloudflare is an absolutely despicable, corpo nightmare, a shining beacon of what every publicly traded company aspires to be. She could've seen this coming. Or she did and choose to ignore it, thinking it wouldn't happen to her.
Grab a coffee, this is a long one:
https://0xacab.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/blob/master/readme/en.md
I mean, people need jobs to pay the bills. She might have decided it was a risk she'd have to run
The whole talk of "I wanted to believe in this company" is just to disarm the HR people
Been in the tech industry for 15 years now.
Every tech company is shit in some way.
Been at my current company for 9 years. It's pretty great, never had a knife in my back or anything. And still I remember every day that it's a company, whose only goal in existence is making money, and if a set of numbers on a sheet are balanced in a certain way, I'll still lose my job, regardless of my reputation, work ethos or anything else. Keeps me grounded I can "believe" in my company without having to really drink the kool-aid.
Valuable information to have for yourself and others
Never cease to amaze me. Go Gen Z.
That's cool n all, but this chick is now blacklisted from every company with an HR staff bigger than 1 over worked offshore person.
We can all applaud trying to stick it to the man, but this is going to show up on every background report for the rest of her life.
I think the point is for you to meditate on that fact.
I did, for all of a couple seconds, then I remembered what's on the background checks for some of the employees I've seen.
Cloudflare is a shit company with a shit reputation. A new employee getting shat on in real time is not something to end your career with.
Bro he's saying that you're supposed to realize how fucked up it is (and ideally be revolted) that corporations - who don't give a shit about you or anyone else - team up to prevent bright young adults from having a career and affording to live as payback for exposing their inhumanity/making them look foolish.
Instead you're over here like "yeah I lick corporate boot and will gladly accept being stepped on if I get to keep my career." This girl is a hero for standing up to the likes of cloudflare and we should all aspire to have her courage.
Keep aspiring...meanwhile India is chomping at the bit to get this job, they'll do it for pennies on the dollar, and depending on the worker, they'll be fucking good at it.
If someone calling out a shit company for being a shit company stops all companies from wanting to hire that person (note: I'm not saying you're wrong about this), more people should be calling out the fact that every single company in America outright regards themselves as shit companies with no intention of changing that fact. That's a far-reaching systemic failure that should not go unchecked. I'm sure most of these influencers know damn well what the risks are, and those risks are part of the problem mate.
That's kind of my point...they have no idea what the risks are. I don't really even think this is a shitty corporate thing. When I do a background check and something like this comes up, I'm not hiring this person. What if she publicly humiliates my company, or my team, or one of my teammates.
You can publicly humiliate me, I'm too old to give a shit.
This will come up on social background checks for the rest of her life. No one is going to risk a hire like that. Especially for something like sales where sales people are a dime a dozen.
What's Cloudflare's shit reputation? I thought they were the go-to service to prevent DDOSing.
I won't work for a company that scores less than 4. (Depending on the size, but that's generally the shit hole threshold)
https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Cloudflare-Reviews-E430862.htm
I've also been concerned about negative outcomes for people based on the videos I've heard about and the one I saw posted before, but that's what makes them so brave. The more they do it and the more such videos are normalized, the less harsh companies can be in retaliation.
Management being assholes is not as much a generational thing (at least, not as much as it seems) as the nature of what corporations expect of managers. The few amazing managers who somehow remain human while doing their job, who are good mentors, etc., are outliers.
I just don't get what the end game is for this. Let's say all of gen Z quits tomorrow over this. All of tech will simply move to Brazil, Eastern Europe, and India.
Since there's really no social safety net, and we don't give a fuck about the homeless...they do what exactly?
For example...the fortune 50 I worked at for a while has enough money to stop selling all their products and still be solvent for about a century at their current spend.
If they faced a general strike, they can hold out for generations. How long can the average American hold out for?
This general audience of this site feels like 15-25...they don't realize the kind of power the big players have.
This is a step towards humanizing workers, legitimizing their concerns, and building solidarity so people are closer to being on the same page and might maybe agree that something needs to be done. Probably not from this cultural moment, but if enough of them like this happen in succession and get enough attention, then something could change. If you want to discuss parallel economies and mutual aid networks, that's a whole other discussion.
You can't make a stand and ignore the realities of the world around you. Competition for work is a very valid concern if you're about to strike.
Wow, they're almost showing signs of intelligence. So close.
Gen Z is also more compassionate than we were at that age, they know about things like consent and when someone is uncomfortable but not verbally expressing it. They also stabilize in the job market as they age up.
Means fuck all when they give China blank checks en masse. If I could choose a compassionate dead person or a logical alive one, I would rather Gen Z learned to protect themselves better.
Fuck off with that noise. The whole damn world is giving China money you fool. Who do you think makes everything we consume.
TikTok is no worse than FB just different governments and from what Iâve seen the USA has done more to harm the world than China. And Iâm a Brit that has a government that has committed horrors of epic proportions.
Chinese Exports have very recently plunged as a result of embargoes and tariffs due solely to how the rest of the world views them as a threat. FB Meta is paying a 5 Bn USD FCC Fine for how they handle data, more fines in other nations as well, and is currently in lawsuits in several countries as well. TikTok is worse because when they cause serious irreparable harm they don't get sued or fined in their homeland: they get rewarded for a job well done.
lol as if Gen Z earns enough money to give blank cheques to anyone
If it takes them pennies to use an automated fraud system on millions of people then it doesn't matter how little they can take, but taking a small amount from those who have little is more damaging than a large amount from people with wealth to spare. Median wealth in the USA for under 35 is $39,000 and average is $183,500 .
Imagine the majority of an entire generation with frozen credit scores unable to obtain vehicles, homes, business loans, and with identities so thoroughly compromised that the thieves have a better chance of verifying themselves than the real person. Tens of Millions of people. The USA would become financially crippled when extreme poverty is already a concern according to UN Special Investigations. It could ruin us for decades.
Even if YOU have nothing to lose, why would unashamedly wish that harm on so many others? For vines, but worse.
Better be including all ages then because everyone is on that thing.
Everyone who uses it is a threat to themselves and our society as a whole, that is how big a threat I think it is and I wholeheartedly believe China is willing to make full use of the authority they've been given. But it's mostly the kids.
And I assume this is self reported data, so it's probably even more children than just that.
Your stats show it's not just kids...
Unless you consider anyone under 50 to be kids.
My stats show the largest age group is kids, and the lower the age the higher the user percentage.
So kids: 25% ok Non kifs: 75% đ¤
Let's say for a moment that the largest demographic being actual children and young adults is not substantial for some reason, who gives a fuck? We're in a thread under a post about GEN Z doing a TIKTOK TREND. My outrage at Gen Z using TikTok is relevant, you're whataboutism for the other age demographics is pointless.
This shows an almost perfectly even distribution across all age groups ...
It shows exactly what I said it shows, but also why does it even matter in the context of this discussion?
Because you're blaming the kids but 75% of the users aren't kids
I am blaming everyone, as I clearly stated several times. The post itself is specifically about the kids.
Brittany is a narcissist who got fired because she makes everything about Brittany.. she didn't even allow the HR guy to finish a sentence before she had to actually interrupt him and start explaining why they were wrong.. you got fired because you don't listen, Brittany baby..
They fired her, listening to these folks ain't her job anymore.
The meeting was specifically about her. That's not narcissistic.
She knew she was being laid off, so there's no need to hear the HR person out to completion. Say your part, and be on your way.
Here's your breakfast
uh huh, bunch of rebel memers
Whoa whoa whoa you cant just let boss say that to you. Not with dirty shoes! Get those shoes cleaned up first before you talk again and make sure to say thank you
Boot licker
you're a narcissist worshipper, like a lot of people nowadays.. you answer the call to the Cult of Personality..
I get that no one likes to be fired, especially if they feel that they were let go unfairly, but this seems like it will result in missing out on other job opportunities afterwards. If I was a hiring manager and saw a video like this from a prospective employee I would just throw their application straight in the garbage. If they will post this then who knows what kind of private company details they will post about if I were to hire them
I hope that these videos encourage others to leave, get their bag, or not apply to companies that employ shady at best firing policies. If I saw a person standing up for themselves in a place where corporate culture squashes out hope and individuality, I'd be more likely to hire them if my corporate culture actually matched the vibe of the person recording themselves getting fired.
Yeah, name and shame companies firing people for nothing or to pad quarterly profits. Not everyone can afford to be choosey in their employer but for those that can I hope stuff like this starves those companies of talent.
What isn't a shady firing practice?
Firing someone after telling them they need to improve their work performance and giving them a chance to do so?
The thing is, there's a difference between being let go as part of a mass layoff and being fired for cause. I've seen several of these videos where the employer is telling people they're being fired for low performance, but they were also firing a large number of other people at the same time, and they hadn't been employed long enough for "low performance" to be a realistic claim. In some cases, being fired for cause means you don't get access to unemployment benefits. If they're actually part of a mass layoff they should be entitled to those benefits. But the company doesn't want to admit that they regularly lay people off, so instead they list the dismissals as firings for cause.
I feel like getting fired or laid off is like being broken up with, along with the emotions attached. It is bullshit that a company can fire for cause a significant part of their workforce to prevent them from getting a severance or unemployment, but there isn't a good system to choose who to lay off.
I hear you. I think this is one of those things that becomes effective when most of your candidates are likely to have posted something like this at some point. Kind of like participation in a strike (or any union activity) only becomes useful when most other employees are also participating.
The problem is half the time they are being laid off, but the company frames it as a firing so they can save money. Getting fired by your previous employer will destroy your job prospects far more directly than some video on social media that only a few percent of recruiters will ever even be aware of. It makes sense to take a unified stand against such a bullshit practice.
If they are in some way dodging contracted benefits like severance, are in any way defaming the employee, or are trying to prevent unemployment claims, it is going to be illegal to invent cause. People really misunderstand "at will" and think it means that an employer can fire you for any reason at all. It doesn't. It means they can fire you for no reason at all. They cannot fire you for a protected, illegal, or fake reason, and they still are going to have to honor your contract, make good on the unemployment, et cetera.
There really isn't any difference between a "no cause"/at will termination and a layoff. Maybe some fine technical points, but for the layman it's the same thing.
And in many states what a previous employer can say to a future employer as part of a reference check is limited -- in Cali, for example, any "malicious" statements can get you in a lot of trouble. If you suspect a previous employer might be doing this, talk to a labor lawyer.
Recording and trying to go viral with these exit interviews is the wrong response if you feel you are being wronged. Sure, record it (if it is legal to do so), but definitely do not upload anything until you have talked to a labor attorney.
The interview that set this trend off literally exposed them creating fake metrics to mass-fire employees that they utterly failed at explaining in any coherent way. I think you underestimate how willing companies are to skirt labor laws based on risk/reward analysis of their potential liabilities in the off chance that they get taken to court. Social media levels the playing field and changes that risk/reward calculation.
I didn't make any statements about whether this employer had behaved illegally, so I am not estimating anything, over or under.
I am saying that victims should first talk to labor attorneys because there is a lot more you can do. The playing field is flatter than you think. Taking this to battle-by-media should not be the first response or starting point, it should be pretty far towards the end of the war.
You probably wouldn't be a hiring manager very long with that attitude. I don't get the appeal either, but I don't do tiktok so. Just from the linked piece, it sounds like it's becoming increasingly common.
Quite a leap to posting private company details online. Where are those stored by the way? Office 365? SharePoint? The cloud?..
If I was a hiring manager, I wouldn't be looking at people's social media because I only care what their expected compensation, experience, and/or education is. Everything else past their CV is irrelevant unless they need a security clearance or will be working in a sensitive environment.
Good soft skills are also pretty important for a new hire. You often want someone that can be a good communicator, can get lots of different people aligned on an initiative, and can handle conflict in a constructive way.
A lot of employers peak at social media for clues about this stuff. If someone is a jerk online, they might also be a jerk in the office once they get comfortable.
Absolutely this! I work in tech and itâs shocking how much casual racism and sexism gets tossed around. It is super hard to build a cohesive team when one of the men wonât let a woman coworker speak because he doesnât like their use of the word âweâ when describing their team.
Dumb tic-tok trends and stupid dance videos are not what employers are looking for.
Sounds like a problem for a manager or supervisor to coach or mentor. If they don't work out despite their qualifications, they don't work out despite their qualifications.
I would. I want to hire someone I could have lunch with, communicate without awkwardness, and be able to appropriately empathize with whatever their situation is.
That being said, posting their firing would get them bonus points from me. I love people that stand up for themselves, have an opinion, and arenât afraid to be wrong.
If a company is firing you, fuck their "private company details." You should have zero loyalty or obligation to an entity that's potentially going to make you go hungry/homeless. Criminal disclosures will be covered by law already, so all you're doing is slurping up the boot juice and perpetuating the culture of silence that allows companies and capital owners to pit workers against one another
I never said anything about protecting the company that fired you. I have no idea where you got that. My point was that if you do something that proves to potential employers that you're going to cry on social media every time your unhappy about anything, it means they're going to be much less likely to hire you
Sounds like it is a good tactic for them to dodge future shitty employers
I get both sides of the argument here. I think we need to have this big reaction because companies have held so much power over employees for so long - I'll avoid ranting about worker-owned cooperatives here - but the past few years I've surprised myself by moving into a bit of a "slippery slope" camp with these things. Not to say it shouldn't happen, but that we need to be prepared for the follow-up.
Hopefully related example, in education: There were some really big push backs recently where I am over bad treatment of the students in highschool, all legit. The school board ignored it for a long time, it got bad, they finally took it seriously. Then they overcorrected and stopped believing teachers at all and started jumping straight to firing at almost any complaint. Then students started weaponizing complaints, and now teachers are getting fired for trying to enforce deadlines and for giving low marks because students are complaining about how deadlines, grades, and meeting grading requirements are detrimental to mental health and well-being, and now there are a bunch of these students from this board in my university classes failing hard and filing complaints about courses being too difficult and other things despite them having glowing reviews just a few years prior.
I guess what I'm getting at: I think it's fair for someone to choose not to hire people like this because it's possible that the people willing to stand up and make an important fuss over these things might not know where the line stands between a worthwhile complaint and a non-worthwhile one, and might make a company look badexternally even though it's doing good internally, just not to someone new to the workforce's expectations.
I also think it's fair to go the opposite direction, because ultimately we need major change in the way companies/everything are structured that lead to these nasty layoffs and poor conditions and if someone does raise issues where there aren't, hopefully we are prepared enough and in the right enough to take it seriously, but weather it and act in everyone's best interests.
Of course you would as you wouldnât want to hire someone that stands up for themselves. Seems youâd just want to hire punching bags aye.
Iâm a hiring manager. I have trouble even imagining the kind of person that would just throw a lead into the trash because of a recording of them getting fired. Who does that? What do you possibly have to gain by doing that? Because you have a lot to lose, especially if that candidate got far enough in the process for you to be researching their background. Nobody gets that far unless they are a very good fit.
Not because they recorded it, though that's bad, but because they did something idiotic to follow a trend. I don't need that energy on my team.
So, a demi-god in rl then.
No, I avoid management like the plague these days