What's something that you were surprised to find out a lot of people hate?

Rin@lemm.ee to Asklemmy@lemmy.ml – 265 points –
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Systemd apparently. Every time someone brings it up, the thread devolves into a religious flame war.

I've never got this either. I've been using Linux exclusively for over 4 years, multiple devices, tested dozens of distros, almost all Systemd-based and I havent ever experienced any problems that the anti-systemd folks talk about.

Or at least, they were so rare and minimal that I didn't notice.

Coming from an IT background dealing with 99% Windows machines and Microsoft products, maybe my bar was on the floor, but Linux has been soooo much more stable and dependable than Windows.

Been using Linux since 2004 and systemd has made my life significantly easier. People bickering about systemd are usually ultra nerds without arguments real people would consider important.

I remember in my coding class when the prof claimed the language we were learning didn’t have GOTO, but it also didn’t need it because anything that could be accomplished with GOTO could be accomplished with loops and conditionals.

Now looking back I can’t believe what a tech debt nightmare goto is, and I’m glad I weaned off it.

Startup scripts seem more powerful because they’re code you know will be executed sequentially. For a developer that feels nice.

But a declarative system like systemd is so much more predictable and stable, specifically because it does NOT allow for sequential execution of code.

Once I made that switch I was a fan. It’s so much more predictable and standardized.

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I agree. Coming from the Windows world, systemd felt quite familiar compared to other components in a typical linux system, I always liked it. It doesn't really follow the unix philosophy though, so it gets a lot of hate.

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I used Linux (and some Unix) before systemd was a thing and init scripts are jank. So much boilerplate and that was before things like proper isolation existed and other more modern features.

I don't understand why anyone would want that back.

A replacement of systemd with something else would be fine, but please no more init scripts and pointless run levels.

Upstart was fine. It does the parallel init thing without taking over the whole OS.

I almost forgot it existed. It was a slight improvement, but with a whole bunch of new problems (most notable race conditions which were never fixed) and it was made obsolete by systemd.

It was a good evolutionary step only used by Ubuntu iirc. It was better at that time than the previous init system, but not more than that and it never found wide adaption.

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Was a little bit of a hassle initially to convert various custom init scripts into systemd unit files, but it was worth it IMO. Now the init scripts feel kinda jank in comparison lol.

On a barebones or embedded system I can see a lightweight init having a very big appeal though

Systemd is awesome. I used to use init.d and was annoyed when I had to learn systemd instead, but once I did I’m so glad it exists. Declarative is the way to go.

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Cilantro and onions. Y'all wouldn't last a day in Mexico.

There's a generic thing with cilantro that makes some people think it tastes like soap. I don't have it, but my wife does. I hardly notice cilantro, but even a little ruins a dish for her.

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For the longest time I didn't even know what cilantro tasted like. I thought maybe it tasted like nothing to me. The reason for this was once when my wife and I were at a Mexican restaurant, I got some green salsa. I dipped my chip in and complained to my wife that it tasted like nothing. She dipped a chip in and started gagging. She said it tasted like pure liquid cilantro.

One day I was cutting some cilantro for some tacos I was making at home, and I took a big bite. It didn't taste like nothing to me. I just always associated the flavor with lime because anytime I have something with cilantro, I always squeeze a lime over it.

I always thought that was mildly interesting.

lol I have the opposite, anything with lime tastes like cilantro now. not complaining though, it’s a great combo.

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Streaming videos on my phone using speaker for audio while at the restaurant eating lunch. I figured for sure, everyone would want to get in on that awesome stand-up comedy action or zany talk show that I enjoy with my meal. It turns out that (gasp!) some people even think it's rude...LOL.

To those people who say you can't express sarcasm over text.

Fucking really? Can you not see it here either?

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I'd rather a hundred of those than some kid with mommy's iPhone watching brainrotting Youtube Kids videos all day with the sound on. At least then I won't feel bad for the kid.

JFC. Sometimes people visit us with kids and it's just arrive > open youtube > commence rot > spice it up 9yo twerking.

My partner is pregnant with our first child. I get the convenience of free child distraction, I also get that I might find myself doing exactly this in several years, but honestly I really hope I can find ways to at least minimise this. It just seems so Orwellian or... wall-e-ian.

I swear my kids are probably going to hate me because I'll be the most boring dad around that forces kids to play outside instead of doing all the fun stuff.

I'm sure they only do this while "mummy is visiting" and it doesn't happen at home.

Was at dinner with my partner's family. His sister acquiesced to his niece when she demanded her phone 5 seconds after finishing her meal, and said nothing while the girl sat there watching loud videos. Nothing about 'hey we're in a restaurant' or anything about being polite and making conversation. She's 13. Has no concept of boredom or how to act around adults. Because there's zero requirement to.

I think it's fine in moderation and when it's some manually curated service like the children's section of streaming platforms (but even then it's not perfect considering Cocomelon exists), or in the case of YouTube you're watching it WITH your kid to avoid running into anything weird (though I think any platform meant for content aimed towards children should be 100% manually curated). The problem is when it's excessive or it winds up sending your five year old down a bizarre rabbithole of pregnant Spiderman twerking videos because you didn't bother to moderate what they were watching.

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No, I hate that. Standup comedy is so overrated, what I want to hear is your phone call!

I really only want to hear 1/2 of a phone conversation

There's a segment on a podcast I listen to that is all about conversations without context, and half of phone conversations are a common feature.

The hosts will mention some they've encountered over the week since their last recording, and people will call in to share the ones they hear. Always a good chuckle.

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Pineapple pizza.

Is it much different from other savory food that comes with a sweet side dish? Just as cranberry fits to venison, the taste of pineapple fits the ham those pizze typically are covered with.

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I played like 40hours of Cyberpunk 2077 before going on social media. I Thought it was going to get "mid" reviews, but I guess I got really lucky to not hit any serious bugs. Lesson being: If you wanna enjoy a game, don't look at any marketing materials, and don't seek out social media about it until you've had time to form your own opinions.

I read reviews before buying on day 2, basically. Sure, I expected some bugs, as the reviewers warned. I barely got any, just some visual glitches during cutscenes. Still, I would give the game a solid 8/10.

Came out of my playthrough to everyone raging about everything about the game. Couldn't even give an honest opinion about the game without being downvoted to oblivion because people who never even played the game refused to believe the game was playable at all.

The hype backlash was a serious issue for that game. People expected it to be something it never could have been.

It would be one thing if people were just overhyping things, but a lot of the outrage was over how much they just blatantly lied while marketing the game. They promised a lot of specific things and then released something that was aesthetically impressive but ultimately outdone in just about every other category by sometimes decades old games, and lacked all of the groundbreaking features they marketed.

Personally, even coming back to it much later and trying to enjoy it at face value with all of its updates, it still felt like a boring and shallow GTA clone with a neon glaze. That's not to mention the fact that it's still frustratingly buggy.

Yeah I think the same thing is happening with starfield as well. People expected skyrim x elite dangerous x the good parts of no man's sky and I think that just isn't realistic. That said I find starfield pretty meh in it's current state, I am waiting for the QOL mods to stabilize before I play much as I just ran into way too many issues.

I've seen a lot of people complain that "It's just fallout in space." And I'm just wondering what the hell they were expecting.

My biggest (not only) complaint so far is that entire planets have maybe 8 or 9 species of plants and animals. Hopefully biodiversity mods will pop up. It seems like a decent platform to build future content into.

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Same. I played it on stadia and it was pretty stable. When I went to that other site to see what people were saying I was absolutely shocked at the amount of bugs and hate it was getting.

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Pineapples on pizza

I LOVE pineapple on pizza. The best pizza recipe IMO is BBQ sauce, with chicken breast, bacon, and pineapple.

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There's this strange resentment the rest of Germany has for Bavaria that I didnt realize was serious until I moved to Hesse.

My wife and I lived in Germany for 2 years. We went to Munich for a weekend and had an excellent historical walking tour across the city, provided for free by our hostel.

During that tour, we learned that pretty much every stereotype Americans have for Germans (lederhosen, yodeling, beer and brats, etc.) are actually Bavarian culture, not German. And Germans are actually quite offended at the confusion we have between their culture and Bavarian culture.

We also learned that Bavaria used to be quite wealthy and powerful, and intended to split off into their own independent nation at one time. But then Hitler set up shop there and made it his headquarters for the Third Reich. The city was absolutely decimated during WWII, and when the war was over, they not only had to rebuild from scratch, but also had to contribute to rebuilding the rest of Germany, as well as paying for war damages for Europe and all Allied nations, etc. Their wealth was pretty much depleted and their hope of being an independent nation was gone.

Bavaria was a very agricultural heavy state, that made a few things right in the last few hounded years. Bavaria has like every over German state a long and rich independent history. Only Bavarian nationalists dream of an independent Bavaria. Hitler joined the NSDAP in Munich and it was one of it's early strongholds. Most German cities were destroyed in WWII. Germany did not "pay" reparations, because they still had a lot of open dept from WWI. They paid with land, factories, infrastructure and forced labor. What the guide meant was probably the so-called "soli". It is a special tax that was levied from former Westgerman states to support former GDR states, which did not develop as much under the socialist rule. That tax was and is controversial and was changed to nowadays only applie to richer people.

Bavaria was always a big state in german, that tries to play a special role. Especially their main party the CSU participated in German politics, while enforcing predominantly Bavarian Interests. These methodes were obviously anti democratic but only borderline illegal and forced the government to restructure the parliament.

So yea. I grew up in Bavaria and I get why most Germans are quite annoyed with bavarians.

It is the German Texas.

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During that tour, we learned that pretty much every stereotype Americans have for Germans (lederhosen, yodeling, beer and brats, etc.) are actually Bavarian culture, not German.

So for lederhosen, it's mostly true, although they're traditional in Austria too. Yodeling is Alpine culture and not specifically Bavarian, meaning it exists in Bavaria, in Austria and Switzerland. For beer, only weissbier is truly Bavarian; e.g. pilsener originated from Czechia, lager originated from Austria [til!]. And although there are Bavarian bratwurst variants, bratwursts are not specifically Bavarian. However, veal sausage (weisswurst) is exclusively Bavarian.

And Germans are actually quite offended at the confusion we have between their culture and Bavarian culture.

That is true. I think to some degree this confusion comes from the fact that so many Americans were stationed in Bavaria after WWII, so they only got to experience this part of German culture.

[...] when the war was over, they not only had to rebuild from scratch, but also had to contribute to rebuilding the rest of Germany, as well as paying for war damages for Europe and all Allied nations, etc. Their wealth was pretty much depleted and their hope of being an independent nation was gone.

I am not particularly versed in Bavarian history, but note that some Bavarians have developed a bit of a fetish portraying themselves as victims of injust decisions from on high. I would take that info with a grain of salt.

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Until I started working for a bavarian company (I live in Hamburg), I didn't realize how warranted much of this resentment is. 😅

Antisemite Aiwanger, extensive preventative jail, attempts on dismantling state equalisation payments, lack of secularisation, decades-long opposition to queer legalisation, abortion, social security, asylum in general et cetera

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Android

Honestly if every brand would stop making their own shitty launchers and filling their phones with bloatware this would mostly not happen anymore I think. Pure Android on Google Pixel phones is hands down better than every other version.

The Samsung's OneUI is imho much better than pure android in terms of features and UX. It's sad, because it shouldn't be like that and it makes it hard for me to leave samsung for something else (I wanna pixel with GrapheneOS)

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It is only bad in the sense that it could be so much more, but it certainly is the best we have for phones atm.

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Rick Astley. I never really got the point of people getting mad at Never Gonna Give You Up, if anything getting rickrolled is a nice surprise to me.

Rickrolling wasn't 'ha ha you listened to an overplayed song.' It was the punchline to successful trolling. You'd wind people up with a story and provide alleged video evidence. Suddenly they'd know they were duped. The tension, the emotional investment, was yanked out from under them. It's the comedy version of a jump scare.

Basically, do you know who Shittymorph is?

But this being the internet, a lot of people Did Not Get It, and thought the entire gag was the mild annoyance of unexpected exposure to some above-average pop hit. The meme died because of their clueless misuse and overuse.

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1991 Hook with Robin Williams. I love that movie, but it seems that most people I encounter that didn't grow up with it think it's lame and boring.

So maybe not hate, but not love either.

RUFIOOOOOO

Didn't realize people didn't like it.

This is news to me. I was too cool for everything at the time and still enjoyed it.

For those of us who grew up with it, it was amazing! I saw it in the theater on release.

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"I've had an idea... Lightning has just struck my brain..." "Oh, that must of hurt!"

It's in that part of my brain that was written before I understood media being 'good' and 'bad', so my memory of it just is, I've never stopped to think about its quality.

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Large Language Models (such as GPT) and AI image generators.

I follow certain AI related post tags on Tumblr and sometimes I see people expressing pure hatred towards these tools, as they only see the AIs as content thieves.

I don't mind the tool itself if you use it as such. I do mind when people use its output as the final product. See: the lawyer who used chatgpt for a legal brief

The lawyer fuck up is what happens when someone doesn't know or understand the limitations of a LLM.

If you want a GPT model tailored and specialized for a specific task, you have to train it with custom data, fine tune it and tweak the model's parameters. You cannot do that from the ChatGPT web/app, you need a custom implementation coded in Python or some other language.

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they only see the AIs as content thieves.

AI is a method of content theft, it takes other people's work and pieces it together in a way that resembles other works, without any actual coherency.

I don't like that it churns out slop that displaces actual content.

I also don't like the way it's sped up enshitification of google and news sites. I didn't think it could get worse than pages of listicles written by disinterested journalists paid fuckall to churn out 10 a day, but now you have chatGPT churning out 100 completely useless articles a day.

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As an artist I think it's a more complicated issue than a lot of people are making it out to be, and all the fearmongering some popular artists are promoting really doesn't help.

I think it's a more complicated issue than a lot of people are making it out to be

Agree.

Also. People are pissed that what they have taken years to master others can now get close to replicate with little effort and time.

I've just realized that although they call the AIs "content thieves", what they really feel is that as AIs are able to replicate their skills quickly, it makes them feel their own merit diminished.

If an artist creates artwork inspired on some other artist eveyone's cool; if an AI does the same, then it's stolen work even if the generated image is a unique new one.

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It's not that I hate it, but like, chatGPT sucks.

There was this uber hype around it, then we started using it ... and it just makes so many errors, it's literally just generating more work. Scrapped it after less than a week. It's modern snakeoil.

Bard is the same, I asked it questions about two of my favourite bands whom I know a lot about. It omitted facts and invented things that were not true!

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LLM is way overhyped. So if your boss bought into that hype you're gonna have a certain amount of animosity towards it. I'm a developer and it can be helpful at times, but managers seem to think it can write software on its own.

It's basically an iterative improvement over a search engine, but unlike a search engine it cuts off the people creating the content it's scraping from any kind of revenue stream.

And yeah there's some real problems with it stealing content. Which isn't being addressed at all. And bringing up these issues tend to get treated like Luddites by those that have bought into the hype.

I wouldn't say "hate", to me it's more... so what? They're really bad at what they do, only impressive at first glance. Not bad for some brainstorming, but then you end up with a facsimile of what the actual result would be, and now have to use that as a guideline to create the result.

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Here? Bicycles. Super weird how weird people are about bikes and bike lanes here. Spreading the joy of a non-commodified fun-as-fuck method of transportation often provokes some truly reactionary energy here.

Biking is based. The benefits far outweight the cons compared to the other private transport we have today. I thought the hate was almost exclusive to cars from what I've seen which is understandable. At least in comparison to bikes.

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Knowing that there are motorists out there who will maliciously put your life at risk because you're on a bicycle is insane to me.

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Super weird how weird people are about bikes and bike lanes here.

redditors are the worst about it. If you post in your town's subreddit about bike lanes, all the landlords crawl out of the woodwork to talk shit about bicycles and go on paranoid rants about how drivers are oppressed by bike lanes.

Here's the problem: for the average consumer, more than five minutes of exercise in a bicycle is apparently excruciatingly painful.

Here's the problem: for the average consumer American, more than five minutes of exercise in a bicycle is apparently excruciatingly painful.

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The idea that we ought to improve society somewhat, even while participating in it. improve-society very-intelligent

Black Licorice

My mother likes black licorice and so my sister and I grew up eating and enjoying it every Easter. Turns out most people hate the stuff.

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Nickelback

I always assumed that was a joke, because they're just kind of bland generic rock and roll that it seems like it would be comical to pretend to have any really strong negative reaction to it. Then I met a few real people who actually despise them, and realized it's not a joke.

Snap on Ubuntu. I totally did not comprehend that it was proprietary; I just thought it was convenient, like apt.

Wait it's also proprietary in addition to being slower, more annoying and much more intrusive than Flatpaks let alone just native packages? That not only makes it heavily obsolete but is even more against the whole point of Linux than Windows' winget (if the open source community repo is used instead of msstore), as snap is hardcoded to use the closed Servers from Canonical. That's just bad on another level honestly.

Yeah :/ I just found out about it yesterday.

Snap as a format is not proprietary but Canonical's Snap Store is. And Canonical's Snap Store is basically the only one in existence and (semi?) hard-coded into all the tools.

In any case, on a fresh install I usually throw out all the Snap stuff and go for Flatpak, because for some apps, these two formats tend to be the only options anymore.

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I didn't know that, but I already disliked it because installed apps don't really integrate in the system (eg: file system access, themes).

Even Ubuntu installs this way something as basic as Firefox, what the fuck? At least I managed to get rid of the snap version and install it properly.

Ahh, I hate Snap so much. It actually what drove me to switch to Arch (btw). It was just so annoying going to install something and having it try to pull in snap and all its dependencies... And of course, if you don't want Snap you have to deal with the inconvenience of finding another way to install the app.

There are reasons to dislike Snap on principle and also very practical reasons. It liked randomly preventing the system from shutting down. Installing a new OS on a slow or unreliable internet connection and want a browser? How about we install Snap and then tell to download that thing and maybe a bunch of random internal dependencies with no visible progress and unreliable error handling? Get it away from me.

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I was shocked to discover the hatred the old live action Mario movie gets. I enjoyed it when it came out when I was a kid. I rewatched it as an adult to see if my memory was faulty… still enjoyed it. It’s a little campy, but it’s a fun romp! I unironically enjoy it, as a good movie and not as a “so-bad-it’s-good” movie. And yet it gets so much hate

I'm kinda with you. I didn't hate it as a kid. However, if you were expecting a MARIO AND LUIGI movie it just didn't come even close to delivering. I wish they'd just made that movie as something else, because it wasn't Mario.

While it's true that the writers made a point to learn nothing about the franchise before writing it, there's an argument to be made that at that point there wasn't really much lore from the games. It came out in 93. If today they made a game where Mario and Luigi from our world follow Princess peach through a portal to save her from being kidnapped by Goombas, only to find Dinosaur New York and get jump powers from technology, then you find out Bowser has usurped the Mushroom Kingdom power structure by de-evolving the king to the point of him now being a fungus who spends the entire game gently helping Mario occasionally... That would be an amazing modern day Mario game. Forget Galaxy, that would be the most complex and interesting game in the franchise.

Plus, it's got the funniest joke I've heard in any movie.

Desk Sergeant: Name?

Mario: Mario.

Desk Sergeant: Last name?

Mario: Mario.

Desk Sergeant: (rolls eyes) Okay, what's your name?

Luigi: Luigi.

Desk Sergeant: (exasperated) Luigi Luigi?

Luigi: No. Luigi Mario.

The whole movie is a masterpiece and the twist that the king was the fungus that's been choking the city is great, and on re-watches you notice all the times the Marios are saved or helped by the fungus. It also implies that the convergent evolution of this parallel world includes both dinosaurs and fungus turning into basically identical people, and the mushroom people managed to become the ruling class.

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The third Alien movie, Alien 3.

I love the first one as a proper horror film, and love the second one as a great action film. Alien 3 always seemed to stand well with the other two by returning to the horror genre, and expanding on Ripley.

In the third film, Ripley has lost everything that she fought so hard for in second film, and it’s her against this alien that has taken everything and she knows it’s finally going to take her life in total.

The setting in Alien 3 was very original as a penal colony that’s just hot and dark, and the design of the alien is entirely different since it burst from a dog (or, a bull if you watch the Director’s Cut). The alien moves faster and more haphazardly and the cinematography reflects this as well. The final scene with Ripley’s sacrifice is the fitting end to what was a trilogy at that point.

I don’t know whether people confuse Alien 3 with the 4th one or what, but Alien 3 is a fantastic film that holds up well decades later. I’m always confused by the fact that people slam it so often, and it wasn’t until I saw people crapping on it online that I realized that there was even a consensus that it was bad.

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Mushrooms

It's a texture thing I think. If I take a bite with mushroom in it, my like animal hind brain just straight up rejects it. Gagging spitting, the whole tottler experience. No conscious thoughts, no tasting, just reflex

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Ready Player One. It wasn't the best book I've ever read but I enjoyed it.

My take on that was it made pedantry about nostalgia into a superpower and I knew too many people that act like it's that way IRL to like the characters.

I loved the book and the movie. It's one of the few times I was glad the movie changed a lot from the book. It wouldn't have translated well and they were aware of that. They both stand well on their own. I'm looking forward to part 2.

Same. It's clearly by an inexperienced author but the story and moment-to-moment storytelling was neat.

Even the movie was great IMO, clever way of modernizing the components of the novel for the audience the movie was intended for.

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The book wasn't horrible. It was cliche, although that was sortof the point. I think there's a reason people had issues with representation or something in it too, but I don't remember. It's been a while. The movie was aweful.

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Transition Lenses for blocking out sun. So helpful but people think they're nerdy 🤷 with the right frames they look good imo

Huh?! I've only discovered transition lenses a handful of years ago, but once I tried them, I've never looked back. I used to have a problem with glare and too much sunlight when out and about. I can't wear sunglasses either (since I already wear prescription eyeglasses), and thus transition lenses were a great help.

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I had a pair in high school and loved them, but they don't really darken enough when driving, which is unfortunate

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Rush. The band. Almost nobody in my high school liked them. In the 80s even.

What? LIVING IN THE LIMELIGHT, THE UNIVERSAL DREEEAAAAMMMMM.

I may or may not own most of the Rush records. I'm that weird millennial with a vinyl collection/system you could buy a decent car with.....

I tried to like Rush. I like a lot of similar artists and thought it was a sure thing. I can appreciate their skill. Their music just does nothing for me :/

All Rush. All the time. No exceptions.

I couldn't stand Rush in the 80's as I was listening to Zeppelin and Hendrix and they seemed pop-py to me. Then I started listening to them again in the 00s and really enjoyed them. Tastes change I guess.

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Polyamory. I knew a lot of people didn't understand, but the visceral disgust at the idea that a lot of people have is surprising.

Well, granted my sample size is extremely small, but I've only ever known 2 polyamorous groups of people well enough to visit their home. And in both cases, there was always 1 person who wasn't as happy as the other two and was tolerating the scenario due to pressure from the person they considered their 'significant other'.

The dynamic was: A & B would be considered spouses to each other, A wants to bring in additional person C and create a trio under the banner of "polyamory" and B consents (because they are willing to accommodate anything A wants to make A happy). So person C enters the relationship and they form a polyamorous-trio, but instead of it being a true trio, it's more like A & B still have their relationship (now burdened) and A & C have a relationship, but B & C don't engage much. This is the exact scenario I have witnessed in the only 2 households I've ever known doing it.

That's given me the impression that arrangements like that usually serve the needs of one or two people but often leave at least one party secretly unhappy. Maybe if more people actually witnessed polyamory working as it's been proclaimed, there would be higher opinions of arrangements like that. But I sure haven't seen it - my current conclusion is that it's just not within the bounds of human nature for this kind of relationship to work.

I think they can work, the problem tends to be people going into it not realizing that it's more demanding than monogamy, one person feeling pressured into it especially when the relationship started as monogamous, and/or it being done as an attempt to "fix" a relationship that clearly isn't working out, the latter of which happened with someone I know.

My belief that they can work will be the day I actually see one that works. The score is still zero for two so far.

I've known quite a few people/groups that are poly and I dated someone who was poly for a while too. I did it because I didn't feel like I had to deal with 100% of my partner because that would have crushed me.

My info is purely anecdotal but two super common threads that kept on appearing is there were people who were poly, but were never actually poly and just said it because their partner wanted to be so they said they were too and that the people who were super committed to poly all were trying to fill a gap in their lives and had a lot of insecurities in general.

Most hated the idea of ever being alone, not just in 'a relationship' but actually just being by themselves.

I think there's a bit of thing where the less toxic the people, the more discreet they tend to be. I certainly wouldn't let anyone who had only visited my house a handful of times know I'm poly. That's only something people I would call friends would know. I also have pretty strong boundaries around not having secondary partners who aren't specifically looking to be a secondary partner (usually because they already have a nesting partner themselves).

It's also one of those things where most of the people I interact with IRL are all cool chill and reasonable people and then I go to nearly any online space and everyone is freaking insane with really toxic dynamics.

I think this point about being discreet is huge. My husband and have been open/poly for a decade (ie from the start). We don’t keep it a secret by any means, but most people I know have no idea — it just doesn’t come up in conversation very often.

We had a very bizarre situation recently where one of my closest friends saw my husband holding hands with his girlfriend at the beach. She texted me frantically, saying she just wants to support me and is here if I need her and she hoped she was doing the right thing by telling me. It was pretty trippy to tell this friend who is close enough to know super specific details about very private parts of my life “oh cool thanks but it’s chill.”

Non-monogamy isn’t for everyone, but it’s for a lot more people than you might think.

Yeah, this is my dynamic as well. My partner and I have been together for a decade and poly from the beginning. It's not at all a secret, but people are so used to monogamy as a norm that they often just think our other partners are super close friends that hang out at our house a lot.

I wouldn't say that I'm discreet, but I don't make a point of telling people about it or anything. It eventually comes up in conversation naturally as I'm getting to know people. If I talk to you about my personal life, it's gonna come up.

I've been in poly relationships most of my adult life, around 15 years now. I'm certainly familiar with the type of relationship you describe, but the long term, stable poly relationships are the ones that have been poly from the get go.

I don't tend to date people who are "opening things up" in a previously monogamous relationship, because being someone's learning experience is a bummer.

My wife has has a boyfriend for more than five years. I'm not attracted to him like she is, but nobody is unhappy in or about our arrangement. We met each other really young, and it stuck. But neither of us wants to have only one great romance in our lives. It really is what works for us.

But neither of us wants to have only one great romance in our lives

That is the most succinct, eloquent, and compelling statement in this entire thread.

Have you also had your own distinct romantic relationships with others since being married, or is that not something you are interested in?

It's something I'm actively pursuing. I really had to transition first before it was a realistic option. Now it feels almost inevitable. I rock a manic pixie moon child look and vibe working at a busy dispensary. I just have to let RNGesus do her terrible work and stay vigilant.

A "V" is a perfectly legitimate arrangement. In fact, those who demands the two other sides of the V to have any kind of relationship, even mere friendship, are considered toxic. And living together is forcing the issue.

Would you consider it a perfectly legitimate arrangement if one end of the "V" resents it and is unhappy? Because that's the only way I've ever seen a polyamorous arrangement working in practice (and as I said earlier, I've only seen two, and both were like that).

I’m on one end of a V and super happy with the arrangement (the “primary” end, so the one most likely to harbor resentment). The other end of the V is too. And so is the middle lol.

Actually now that I think about it it’s actually a W. The other side of the V is in another V with her primary.

A resentful V is unhealthy and not going to end well, but there are plenty of happy functional Vs around.

Although I am not interested in doing it myself, I consider myself a student of psychology and sociology and am very curious. I hope I have the privilege of meeting a success-case such as yourself in person, who's not shy about discussing it candidly, because I have a lot of curiosity about it and how it works.

I'm glad it's working for you. If you don't mind me asking, how long have you been participating in this relationship, do all 3 live together or separately, and have you always been an end or have you also been the middle of the V?

My husband and I have been together for 10 years. He currently has a girlfriend he’s been seeing about 6 months. She lives with her husband (who also has a secondary partner) and two children. I have dated a bit but am not currently interested in anything outside our marriage. We also had a relationship a while ago where a close friend of mine had a purely sexual relationship with my husband for a little while, and for the next three years, we went through periods of being a triangle, a V, all just friends, she lived with us for a bit. She moved across the country and now is in a monogamous relationship, and we are all good friends. The most drama that has ever happened is that a guy I was into slept with a girl my husband had slept with. That kinda sucked. Thankfully I had my husband to cheer me up.

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So person C enters the relationship and they form a polyamorous-trio, but instead of it being a true trio, it’s more like A & B still have their relationship (now burdened) and A & C have a relationship, but B & C don’t engage much. This is the exact scenario I have witnessed in the only 2 households I’ve ever known doing it.

That is in fact common, but would also not result in "moving in" or "forming a polyamorous trio". That's exactly not the point, it's just one person having two relationships and - hopefully - each of the partners is fine with not having 100% of their partner. Which many people actively enjoy mind you, not spending all the time sitting on top of one another.

In fact I would say that from all the poly couples I've know over the years, very few are trouples and want to move in together.

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I just don’t get it. Having a relationship with one person is hard work (anyone that says otherwise is either very lucky or their partner is making all the effort). Why on earth would you want to make your life even more difficult?

For some of us at some times in our lives, having a relationship with two people is less work. It requires much more communication, better scheduling, and much more attention to your partners' feelings ... but that might be a good investment of time anyhow, and often gets overlooked.

I find that having multiple partners helps me appreciate each partner much more, for themselves -- it's easy to mix up how much you love just having a partner and being loved, with how you actually feel about that person. Poly gives you the distance and contrast to see your partners clearly, and that can be really special.

I’ve never been polyamorous but I have been a player before and a period during which I had lots and lots of casual sex with lots of different women actually gave me a better appreciation of women as individuals.

There’s something about not having one person be your everything that allows them to be a real person instead of a symbol.

Tbh, my wife and I have been together for so long and through so much that is has become easy. We've been together more than fifteen years, and both of us consider our childhoods of abuse to be the hardest periods of our lives. We know and trust each other deeply and implicitly. She's had an increasingly serious second partner for more than five years now, and it's become pretty easy. I'm casually looking for a boyfriend, and she's excited for me. It's the foundational strength of our relationship that makes this lifestyle possible. We've built a big, full life together, and we have enough love and space in our lives to share <3

Yeah that's indeed something. I had a sex partner on top of my romantic partner for a few years, and that worked okay - since you only meet for shagging - but wow would two romantic partners be too much for me. Still, I was perfectly fine with my romantic partner also having another partner in addition to me. They could handle it fine!

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Is it really surprising? Monogamy has been essentially socially enforced for millenia at this point.

Yeah but if you see monogamy as bad and immoral and try to explain why ... somehow I expected at least some understanding. I thought other people were afraid to say what they really think.

Edit: it was a while ago, I was young and naive

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I've been in poly relationships for years. They work really well for me and my significant others, but we are pretty discreet about it because folks tend to be huge assholes about it.

Generally, you don't see the poly relationships that work great; mostly, people see the type of scenario one of your other commenters described because the stable relationships are less visible.

This is so strange to me. Not the polyamory, the weird hate of it. I'm in a monogamous relationship and polyamory just doesn't appeal to me. But I don't really give a shit about what other people do or who they fuck as long as it's consentual.

To me it always feels as if people are just loudly signaling their own unhappiness in their existing relationship when they hate on polyamory. It's a weird form of surpressed and internalized envy.

I've not met many poly groups but my experience was strained. First time meeting these people and the only thing they spoke about was them being poly and how much sex they were having. It was a bit odd for a first meeting with strangers. Not usual dinner conversation I felt.

Yeah, the polycules I've met have all been hot messes that caused a lot of pain for everyone involved (and adjacent). At least a few have this attitude of "Monogamous people are prudes and need to open up, polyamory is HoW hUmAnS sHoUlD lIvE". Maybe it's just bad luck, but as a result I generally keep a bit more distance with my poly friends.

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No hate from me but two is almost too many people for me. I love my SO, I just have a really hard time being around anyone for any length of time. Different strokes for different folks.

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The 2016 Feig-directed Ghostbusters film. Like, it's not a masterpiece but it's still an enjoyable film.

It has a 49% audience score on Rotten Tomatoes, so about half of people seem to agree with you.

As a stand-alone film, it is probably fine. As an entry in the Ghostbusters franchise, I did not enjoy the film.

Same. I thought it was actually quite enjoyable. Too long in the opening parts in particular, but once it gets going it has a lot of really funny moments.

Plus, as much as I could say "It could have been better", I will also have to concede that given the modern Ghostbusters, fuck could it have been worse. 😅 Overall, pretty damn good.

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VR headsets with an external battery pack and/or other heavy components on a cable to put in the pocket (as is now a feature of the Apple Vision Pro).

The first time I tried any VR headset I immediately thought why on earth do they not put all the heavy lifting electronics out of this device into my pocket. That would be way more comfortable. But for some reason it was never done and when it was rumored that the Apple headset would do that I noticed people apparently hated the idea. Everyone keeps saying modern headsets are well balanced it’s not a problem, but my experience is different and it’s one of the reasons for me why I don’t like to use it often.

My current headset is the PS VR2 which everyone says is so comfortable and balanced. I just find it annoying after a few minutes.

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The Last Jedi.

I left the theater on opening night thrilled with what I saw. I couldn't wait to go online and read all the positive reactions and theories for the next one... Whelp.

Same. I've found it helps to just not look at what general purpose "fans" have to say about pretty much anything. It's always gonna be a hatefest.

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i commented the same exact thing then saw this comment lol. was very polarizing to see. its still my top 3 star wars films

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Tonic water

What really surprised me is learning how much people hate it when I drink tonic water. I'm not going to spit it directly in your mouth, friendo. I just want a drink of interesting water.

Yeah I get what you mean. It feels like Here, look! They've shown their true colors! They're the reason this thing is for sale, here, we found one, right here!

People in general are so weird about other people eating stuff they don't like.

Listen Karen, you don't have to have a slice of my pizza.

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Cilantro

I don't like cilantro. I don't hate cilantro. Everyone shouts that it's a genetic thing, so apparently it's not possible that I can have a distaste for a common food while also not thinking it tastes like soap.

Every time it comes up, somebody wants to feel smug and tell me "well you know..". It's the one food where if you don't like it, it has to be a genetic thing. Maybe I can just not like how it tastes as much as others. Maybe I don't mind it in salsa but don't like it in my soup. Just because I don't mind a finger in my butt doesn't mean I want a dick in my mouth.

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Sunny weather. Living in Ireland, the sun is ALWAYS a welcome respite from the constant dull rainy shite.

I lived in rural Wales for a while so I know this feeling. Growing up in England I thought I knew about rain before but on the Cambrian Coast it rains sideways.

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I was surprised to find out that Patchy the Pirate is pretty hated, which is what inspired this thread.

I had to look him up. I know the character (live-action pirate from SpongeBob SquarePants), but I didn't know he had a name. I was barely an adult when that show started airing, so I haven't seen much of it.

I also found out that the actor who voices SpongeBob plays Patchy. Had no clue it was the same guy. I've never heard of any hatred for Patchy, though. Is there any reason in particular people hate him? Or is it just "enough with the live-action; let's get back to my cartoons!" mentality?

Some people found him and his segments annoying. I thought they were fun and iconic.

I didn't like those bits as a kid, but I do find them nostalgic now

I didn't know people hated it either

Soggy cereal. That's how I ate is as a kid and how my siblings did as well, mostly. No one ever said it was gross or the "wrong" way, until I got a bit older and found out that pretty much everyone hates it.

I can't stand dry cereal lol.

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In line with the inspiration for the question: Cars 2

I liked the first one and thought the second one was also lots of fun. I liked the visuals / in-universe elements, and thought it was decent for a kid's spy movie. It was one of my favourite family movies at the time.

Turns out almost everyone hates it?

I never got this either. My niece would rather run around and play games while it was on so we never really sat and watched it all the way through, but she would play it on repeat and I thought it was fun

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Gay/trans people

Surprised? You bern living in a cave?

There is a lot of hate, but I was also thinking of this. It does surprise me that the anti-lgbt movement has become so widespread. Like, what did they ever do to be hated that much? Loving the wrong person?

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Bananas and olives.

There are generally 5 things that I don't like to eat.

  1. bugs and likewise shit (not food).
  2. Seafood with the shells still on. It's a phobia I'm working on.
  3. Broccoli because I'm allergic
  4. kiwi because I'm allergic
  5. And fucking disgusting olives.
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i was shocked to go online and see mountains of hate for The Last Jedi. i thought it was amazing

I never got that either. It's clearly the best of the three from the new trilogy. I mean, low bar, but still

You should see a doctor immediately - something is obviously wrong with you.

Jk, enjoy whatever you want, I am not the gatekeeper of your enjoyment but understand you are definitely wrong in this one :)

i disagree. everybody is wrong except me. about all things i am opinionated on

I think the hate Last Jedi receives is overblown BUT it was trash. I was semi hopeful after TFA (in hindsight it set the groundwork for a lot of the bad parts) and forgave it some of its flaws due to being the forst movie in a while and having to restart the franchise when it came to theaters but I walked out of TLJ and wanted my time back.

I think there is a lot of hate for Rey that's actual misogyny hidden behind the legitimate criticism. But the characters writing doesn't help that situation. I don't think any of the other characters are written much better so the fact Rey ends up getting most of the hate boils down to her being a woman and her being the main character (I cannot even guess which of these two weighs more into that equation, which is a shame. Her being female really shouldn't factor into this). The entire movie just felt very silly to me. It makes for good eye candy but if you think deeper about anything that could be construed as a message in that movie it just falls apart imo.

Tl;dr: I don't think it should come as a shock that the movoe got hate, it was pretty bad all things considered, but the amount sure was shocking

why are there suddenly cloaking devices in star wars

why don't the imperials hyperjump in front of the fleeing rebels?

why can several characters leave a chase in progress visit some planet and come back to the chase still in progress?

the holdo maneuver breaks several in-universe rules about how hyperdrive works.

there's plenty of problems with the film without being a frothing misogynist. It's better than rise of skywalker but i'd rather watch the holiday special.

To add to the list of non-chud reasons to dislike it, the plot is driven entirely by characters doing the dumbest thing possible at every turn on all sides for little to no reason.

Someone once pointed out the First Order could have ended the movie in the first ten minutes by having their dreadnaught just shoot the Resistance's capital ship instead of the planetary (read: entirely stationary) base first, or by having the dreadnaught's fighter screen/escort ships deployed instead of just chilling and doing nothing the entire fight.

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Funny it was the opposite for me.

Every five minutes I had to stop myself from going "What the fuck?!" Out loud in the theaters.

Like the story is nonsensical, characters go full stupid in every possible scene, there are multiple massive issues with time and character location, the plot breaks the previously established rules of the universe, character development on old and new characters is just dumped for plot convenience, Rey becomes even more of a Mary Sue than she already was. I could go on, it's just a massive shit on the previous films.

Watching it feels like you let a freshman film student direct a plot that was written by a committee of toddlers. I don't see how it's a good movie let alone a good entry into the Star wars franchise.

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Compassion and empathy for animals. Yeah, they say they like it if you don't have any follow-up questions, but things go downhill real fuckin' fast after that.

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The ending of How I Met Your Mother. Like, it was certainly no cinematic masterpiece, but I felt like it was a very logical build-up and delivery. I don't get the impression that they really stretched the story for more seasons either (yes I know they did add more things to stretch it, I just mean I think it doesn't show story-wise). But even a few days ago I saw people complaining about how bad the ending was, and it's a rhetoric I see almost every time the show is mentioned. And, again, it is not a cinematic masterpiece by any stretch, but I wouldn't expect that from a sitcom anyway.

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Battlefield Earth. I saw a schlocky sci-fi movie. The internet has since informed me it's the modern Birth of a Nation or something.

That's because it's actual cult propaganda. As in "it's literally made by the church of Scientology, based on the founding literature of Scientology as written by Scientologist leader L Ron Hubbard, by Scientologist actors"

In a vacuum? Yeah it's cheesy sci fi. With context? Hoo boy...

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White polenta. Apparently plenty people have really, really strong opinions about it.

Also chicken livers.

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Batman and Robin.

I watched that for the first time sometime in the last few years that have blended together and I actually really enjoyed how it was one giant love letter to Adam West's era.

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Mariah Carey, or maybe it's just me, over rated , primadona, cat in heat screeching noise. All I want for Christmas is to never hear that song again :)

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