YouTube tests server-side ads to make your coveted blocker obsolete
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YouTube has been spotted testing server-side ads, which could pose a problem to ad blockers.
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from the reddit page idk if it works but most comments say it does
and if it does, that's fucking hilarious
this will have taken a team months of work and one ublock dev just threw it in the toilet within an hour
ok, so i added this code to my ublock origin filter list, then went to youtube, and the injected ads were still showing up in about half the vids. closed firefox, reopened, same. rebooted my win11 machine, now the injected ads are NOT showing up any longer. not sure if youtube switched it off because they're still beta testing this bullshit or if the code is working but it SEEMS to be working. if it stops i'll come back to edit this comment. thanks for the tip man!
The ublock origin guys are wizards, I tell you...
I am amazed how they didn't spell like others did in that market.
Prolly should donate.
So in theory.. can reVanced come up with something like this,
NewPipe works, so I'm sure reVanced can/could do it as well. SmartTube (Android TV exclusive) also implemented it weeks ago, I never have seen a single ad.
This worked for me. Thanks!
Thank you!
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I stll haven't get any ads with just stock ubo but when it does I'll try this filter, thanks
I would rather pay an ad-block company a monthly subscription than give it to YouTube in blackmail. This will just be another salvo in a never ending war.
I used to pay for youtube premium. My logic being that I was using an adblocker anyway, and I wanted the content creators I watched to get some kind of revenue for my watchtime. Youtube stopped taking my money a while back, and I can't be bothered to figure out why. These days, there's so little content that I find interesting that I spend more time scrolling than I do actually watching videos. It's only a matter of time until I just stop regularly going to youtube.
I paid for it until they basically doubled the price.
I paid for it before they removed Google Play Music. I was on one of the plans that was $8 for both Google Play Music and YouTube Red.
Too Much engagement slop being pumped into the feed and you can't block offenders on teevee app...
WTF I lay for this. If I don't want to see some clown, I should be able to block.
I report them for misconduct and it seems to reduce the spam but they come back in few weeks amyway...
Like no I don't want linus, I don't want brownlee apple whore... Just stop.
Oh yes, I totally believe that people are opting to delete their ad blocker, that works on not just YouTube but the entire internet, simply because YouTube has become obstinate and difficult. Who the fuck wrote this article? And how much are they getting paid by Google? Do they really think we're going to buy into this bullshit and follow suit?
it's total bullshit. For example if you use ublock origin every now and again sure you might get ads that pop up, but AT MOST that lasts for a day, generally it'll last a couple hours as the team at ublock update their lists to block ads again. There's no need, literally zero need, to remove it from your extensions. and at worst, like I got yesterday, you'll just see a black screen that buffers for a bit before the video plays. the ad is still blocked.
you can also circumvent most of this if you use freetube. OR if you just want music the youtube-dl script on linux. I also ditched spotify for youtube-dl as I can also download entire playlists with it.
if I understood it correctly UBlock original would be totally unable to block server side ads right now
Just FYI I have a user driven plugin that skips self promotion in videos, wirks like a charm most often. I bet someone will make one that detects and skips ads even if they're added randomly.
Sponsorblock, i have it too. it might break if they add ads server side. though im sure sponsorblock and ublock would find workarounds. those workarounds dont exist yet tho afaik
It's illegal not to disclose when something is paid promotion. Worst case scenario, the ad blocker blacks out your screen while it detects the ad notification and auto skips when it can. We'll never actually be forced to watch the ads.
New article title. YouTube tests more ways of making their service shit and driving away users.
Edit: TIFO Scott Manley is on Odysee so i will start watching him there instead. One less yt channel is always a good thing
I mean, if you're not paying for it, and they can't advertise to you, what do they need you for?
To keep claiming they have x billion accounts...
There's a big reason why these companies don't remove the bots and willingly allow them to do whatever. It boosts their numbers to inflate their actual worth.
at least on my part, what they get from channel memberships (a whopping 30%) I'm sure exceeds the amount in ad revenue they lose from me
Does YouTube have competition? Your line of inquiry doesn't mean much if the content is only on YouTube.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making.
YouTube doesn't want you visiting if they can't either put ads in front of you or get you to subscribe to premium. I appreciate wanting to access YouTube without ads, but from where they're sitting, if they scare you off with server side ads all the better.
Simply put: why care about their point of view? Google does not have your best interests in mind, often the opposite. There's no where else to get almost all of the content, why do without or waste time with ads in this short life.
YouTube could fall off the face of the earth and I would probably see my quality of life improve slightly.
I don't give a shit about Google. Perspective here is important when you threaten to leave the platform all together, as if they would care. If you're one of the users they gain no ad revenue or subscription revenue from, they're probably happy to see you go.
Could they be doing more to try to turn Adblock users in to paid subscribers? Sure. I'm not here to defend their methods. I'm just saying that if you're not paying, and you can't be served ads, they really don't care if you continue to use the service or not.
I did pay for it but they massively increased the price while the recommendation algorithm was deliberately made worse and they wouldn’t stop pushing short format videos.
I would settle for something that simply turns the screen black and turns audio off whenever ads play. I don't care if YouTube gets paid for it, I just want to decrease the value of ads and prevent myself from seeing them.
Legally, YouTube have to detect if ads were blocked and and mark the impression as non-billable. They can't charge advertisers for blocked ads.
They can only tell that something is blocked because the ad wasn't loaded from a server. If it's not loaded, then they can't count it as "viewed."
If the ad is just blacked over, it is still loaded, and they wouldn't know.
If it became a common thing, they'd have to add detection for it. Not necessarily to stop people doing it, but to ensure advertisers aren't charged for invalid impressions. Practically every major ad network has adblocking detection; they just don't always make it obvious (e.g. they might silently log it).
If they were effectively able to detect it they would be able to block you watching the rest of the video.
Well they also infest the client side since they likely developed the main part of your web browser, so they can still know there's a black cover in the DOM.
I already put my phone down on my desk and turn the audio down whenever an ad pops up, they can't tell it isn't being viewed.
I find it fascinating how media companies evolved their usage of ads over time. Used to be that the purpose of showing someone an ad was to get them to buy your product. Now, though, the companies who make the ads are paying to have them put on media networks who use the ads to annoy you into paying for a premium membership so you don't have to see them. It's double dipping.
Not sure how I would feel if I made an ad, and YouTube was saying to their users: "Yeah, you like that fucking ad? Super annoying, isn't it? If you don't pay me more money, I'm going to cram that annoying bullshit down your throat every time you want to watch a video. I'm going to put ads at the beginning of videos. I'm going to sprinkle them throughout the middle. Hell, I'm even going to make you watch ads after the video ends! You like that, you little bitch??"
It’s the evolution of the premium cable model. HBO, Showtime, etc. The upgraded cable tier has ad-free content and exclusives.
Yup. I'm old enough to remember when the selling point of cable TV was that it was ad-free. Then, of course, they started adding ads. And then they sold us premium channels that didn't have ads. Now those have ads, too. You just can't get away from them.
Gotta make that line go up somehow
It's been seven years, and this sketch is just getting more and more fitting each day.
Let's go full guerilla: Plugin that lets you select the first and the last frame of an ad, thus allows to report the beginning and length to a synced database. When that frame is found in the buffer, skip X frames ahead.
For ergonomics, the plugin should be able to spot cuts in the video so you can easily select the correct frames.
For resilience, maybe settle for similar frames. Thinking about anti-abuse, maybe require a minimum number of reports relative to the views (and ofc allow to not skip stuff).
Due to legal reasons, and to keep advertisers happy, YouTube is forced to display the "Advertisement" mark and a link to the advertisers website. With these, all the required information exists to allow an adblocker to skip any ads embedded in the video stream. No community flagging of ads is required.
They're forced to identify that it's an ad, but they don't have to do it in a machine-readable way. There's many different approaches to show an "Advertisement" or "Sponsored" label that appears to users but that blockers can't easily find.
If they don't link to the advertisers page, they'll lose advertisers, which is the last thing YouTube would do. Legally, a video-embedded "Advertisement" indicator could work, but the link to the advertisers page remains.
This would fit in well with SponsorBlock, which already does the same thing for different parts of videos (eg sponsored segments, intro and outro animations, non music segments in music videos, etc).
I suspect YouTube will find ways around this, like running ads of differing lengths, add random amounts of padding at the start of the video or between ads, etc.
It actually already did break sponsorblock for a bit because user submissions would include the wrong timestamps, due to the ads changing the duration of the video.
This would be hard to implement, but I personally would be happy to donate more to fund the development costs for such features. Adblocking is the largest consumer boycott in history and I won't let a corporation try to crush it again.
The challenge is that videos will have a varying amount or type of ads based on the client's country/demographic and simply on the timing of ad campaigns.
Not baking-in ads was the advantage of Youtube and other streaming platforms over the likes of traditional TV. That's why they were client-side in the first place. I wonder how much the extra effort, bandwidth, and processing will cost Youtube to achieve server-side ads. Would be funny if it simply ended up being too expensive for them.
They have a LOT of compute power... They could have several baked in ads per geographical area / demographic and only store them on servers in / close to the relevant country. There's definitely associated costs but I wonder if it'd amortize well given their viewer count.
Let the games begin.
That sounds very much like the idea of SponsorBlock (but might need a bit of refinement to work for different ads of different length). You should definitely check out Piped for watching YouTube videos without any tracking/ads/dark patterns, I am very sure they will do something to remove server-side ads as well (hopefully).
And if it is just five seconds instead of 15, it would be way better!
This shouldn't even be too hard, I doubt YouTube is completely rerendering every video with ads, they'd just insert the ad in before an I frame in the video. So each ad will start with an I frame, and the video will resume on an I frame, meaning just let the user select all the I frames, no fancy cut detection algorithm is needed.
I have no idea how to do this from JS though.
Also I mean video I frames, not HTML iframes.
Oh. I like this. Sponsor block but network wide basically xD
I’ve been a premium user for a while now and the platform has never been shittier than now. I pay for premium but I see integrated ads in videos and nowadays YouTube sneakily includes actual product videos in your home feed as if that’s not an ad. Recommendations have sucked for so long that I don’t remember the last time I watched something good on it. Inclusion of yt music was the thing that kept me on the subscription but shit man
How is this bundling even legal. YouTube ist pretty much a Monopoly and they are using this fact to push YouTube Music. If that's Not anti competitive behaviour what ist?
It's not being prosecuted, so its legal. Everyone's been properly paid off. If push comes to shove, Clarence Thomas will get a new RV and any lawsuits will be dismissed, but for now only the EU seems interested in internet regulation.
"Its not an rv. Its a motor coach." - Clarence Thomas
How most regulations work, actually. From food to consumer electronics. And yes, that includes your bad dragon.
Same here. I was struggling to get the ad blockers to work consistently, so I said fuck it and canceled Spotify and subscribed to Youtube. FWIW YT music does a much better job of choosing random music that I like; Spotify just plays the same shit over and over again.
I feel like YT music plays the same things over and over again, so good to know that switching to Spotify won't be any better.
I’ve tried every music streaming service out there with their premium subscriptions and they’re really not that different. After a month of usage they all loop the same songs over and over again. It seems YouTube also adopted this because it’s been recommending me the same things over and over and over.
Tidal has new music playlists straight from Tidal and they're genre specific, which is quite different from Spotify. They're in a set place within Tidal, so you don't have to search for the new playlists either.
The sad thing is that it appears a lot of people only like listening to music that they already know. Out of the people I know, I'm the only one that hates listening to the same songs over and over again. I wonder if that's why many people only seem to like music from their teenage/young adult days 🤔
I miss GPM. YouTube music is full of community-made playlist that are actually YouTube video playlists, so you'll start one up and have all the music video intros, interrupts, and extra sound effects and shit that get thrown in.
I started a Disney playlist for my nephew in the car, and you could hear all the sound effects from the movie over the actual soundtrack.
On mobile, which is where I primarily use YT, the official app with premium doesn't even have sponsorblock or dearrow or blocking shorts. It's genuinely a worse experience than revanced which is free.
If I was to pay for premium, I'd want the above features at the very least.
Do you use Android? Stop paying for premium, just install ReVanced and "fix" the official YouTube apk. It also works with YouTube Music.
they cracked down on adblockers, adblockers got better.
They're trying to get around adblockers again, adblockers will get better again
I will pay for an adblocker before I pay for an ad provider to stop harassing me
Chad uBlock Plus dev doesn't even want our money.
Chad Raymond Hill who refuses to accept donatoins or sponsorships of any kind.
That being said the people that maintain the filter lists I believe, don't quoute me on this, you can donate to a few of them. Really depends if they mention it on their githubs though and you pretty much have to go about finding them on your own as there's no real centralized list of all the people that contribue to the filter lists.
That's correct. uBlock Plus' Github says he won't accept donations but give instead to the unsung heroes maintaining the lists on which his software depends.
YouTube shell company running highly effective subscription based ad blocker! Hahaha I could see it.
If anything, adblock taught me about pi-hole, which brought me into the raspberry pi world.
And id rather spend money on that.
adguard for windows, which is also available on CrappleComputers and I think it's also on linux
I'm not so sure. Once they are embedded in the video they become hard to block. Twitch is like this now.
And yet there are userscripts you can use to block out twitch ads. I haven't seen one for months now despite not being a subscriber.
I'll just download the video and skip the shit, idgaf, I'm not watching ads, google can suck it.
Try the app called Seal on FDroid
There are already sponsorship-skipping add-ons. YouTube lost before they began.
I’m not sure if a sponsorblock like solution will work. Sponsorblock is entirely reliant on timestamps provided by users.
A similar solution for YouTube’s ads will only work if the ads always happen at the same timestamps and have the same length. This is not necessarily the case, as ads can happen at any point.
There's already a filter for UBO that blocks it. That was much quicker than I expected. Works and is further down this thread.
It’s only a matter of time until YouTube stops that as well.
It's an arms race. But there's not a weapon that doesn't have a counter, even if that counter is mutually assured destruction. YouTube's efforts are inevitably a futile chase that does little more than keep their shareholders happy that they're chasing the dragon.
Possibly, but as long as they are not completely server-side (which they can't be, they want to target people) then they are fighting on hostile ground.
Of course there are attempts to lock down PCs so that ad companies can tell it what to do (probably with some DRM argument), but we're not there yet.
Then on to the next one. Google won't get a dime from me. They can't stop it, even if I have to set up something for my computer to record my videos while I sleep so I can watch them on a video player the next day, I will not watch ads.
I remember using MythTV in the beforetimes, and you'd record the show off the cable tuner, then it would process the file and remove the commercials based on volume levels and light signatures. It was remarkably good at it and was how I watched all TV until streaming came around.
I would imagine someone could do the same even better today with an AI model that would recognize all the ads and deliver an edited stream. The problem is that the video would have to be downloaded beforehand and then the streams stored elsewhere and referenced by an addon that redirects you.
This still exists today, for example in Plex's DVR. Practically everything that blocks commercials these days uses comskip or a fork of it.
There will have to be designated points where midroll ads can happen, just like the current system has, so the ads aren't inserted mid-sentence or destroy an important sequence in the video. Nobody would accept it otherwise.
It's a matter of detecting those points, mapping them to specific frames in the video, then automatically detecting when an ad is inserted on that basis.
It's slightly harder to do, but not impossible.
Unfortunately I think there's been a good bit of evidence recently that people WILL accept it. As a prime example lemmy hasn't exactly replaced reddit despite the relative uproar that the API changes caused. Netflix & co just keep hiking prices and people just keep buying it.
And then on the technical side, if the ads are coming from the server it's possible youtube might just refuse to serve the rest of the video stream until all or most the ad's runtime has passed. It depends on how serious they want to get about capturing the revenue lost to adblock users.
Sure, but then that's an even worse enshittification if they do make it random.
The mandatory wait-time will stop people from seeking through videos organically. Yet another thing that makes it worse for everyone.
And even then, it should still be possible to detect which frames are part of the original video and which are not, either by detecting original video frames, or building a database of ads and detecting them within videos.
The fact that lots of people still use reddit is just due to inertia. Platforms don't die immediately overnight. Digg still exists. It still calls itself "The homepage of the internet." The process of transitioning to a federated internet is going to take many years.
Reddit is still dying however. There's been a marked drop in the quality of posts over there, and they're harder to access, now they're doing an exclusivity thing with google which is also enshittifying massively. That is making it less and less appealling over time. It won't last forever as a culturally relevant site.
if you're downloading the video locally it would be incredibly trivial to remove the segment of the ad. There are various different mechanisms i can think of that would work.
obviously, beginning and end ads are super trivial.
Ideally, youtube won't be natively encoding the ads into the videos, because that would be a nightmare, so presumably they're doing injection instead, that would be pretty obvious from the get go.
If not, they have to have some kind of interface for the advertisement you could very easily use that to track the ad placement itself, though that might be problematic.
There are likely other clever things that can be done, we'll have to see what happens.
I’m afraid this is what they’re going for.
IIRC the developer of SponsorBlock was asked about this and seemed very unconcerned.
how i wish there was a good alternative for youtube
Support candidates who want to limit the ability for large tech companies to acquire their competitors. Maybe even those that wish to see their acquisitions rolled back. Maybe even those that wish to see them broken up.
P-Peertube?
Not a great alternative. The second it becomes actually successful it will collapse.
Shucks.
peertube would be great, if there were more content creators. out of 330 or something channels that i follow on youtube, 4 are on peertube.
4 out of 330 is quite a lot. Are they tech youtubers or something?
yeah, linux-oriented youtubers
Grayjay has been useful for that. I still follow people on YouTube, but if they setup a channel anywhere else I can switch my feed to draw from those sources instead.
Oh cool! Is there any non-mobile app/service that does something similar?
The alternatives are around now, and we know that many YouTube content creators are exploring other revenue streams, so it'll be interesting to see how exodus works. Clearly YouTube is going to continue to get worse and some people are going to leave. What's next? I'm excited.
It's always interesting to watch companies implode. Apparently Reddit is blocking non-Google search engines from indexing them, and Twitter wants you to be logged in to view people's profiles. Those types of moves guarantee that the platform won't be relevant a decade from now and possibly sooner than that.
Piped. It uses SponsorBlock to also skip ads by the creator in the video, I am very sure they will update it to remove ads injected by YouTube as well. It is also very privacy-friendly.
Just got hit with this for the first time, and at first I was like what the fuck is this happening here, I'm running Firefox latest, and UBlock origin latest, never seen this before. Happening for every video, two injected video ads before the video, seem skippable, but i'm not clicking on them. Hope UBlock catches up to this quick, this sucks.
Mine are getting trapped by pihole. They take 10 seconds to time out and just show a banner ad that won't automatically go away without hitting the skip button. It's really frustrating since I liked letting videos auto play as I fall asleep.
at least it's not currently spawning an actual video advertisement, so, small blessings, the two injected ads stay static for 10 seconds a piece (makes sense), and if you don't click skip, the first tiers to the second then tiers to the video (was thinking of going pihole but you just confirmed it won't make a difference, if they start injecting autoplay video ads, then it'll be back on my todo list)
There's a comment in this thread with a ubo custom filter that's working for me.
yup, just tried that too, and after a reboot, it's working for me too
ftfy
But do you have a viable alternative in your back pocket?
I’m pretty happy with Nebula. I tried it back when it was still bundled with curiosity stream but now I just subscribe to nebula.
It obviously isn’t anywhere near a full YouTube replacement, but it’s pretty good.
Yeah, Nebula is quite good. Really like Curiosity Stream too.. I subscribe to both.
But alas, most channels I follow are Youtube only and not likely to change :(
Honestly... How much has Google spent trying to counter people skipping ads?
Is it less than the amount of potential profit if everyone was forced to watch ads?
This seems like that situation recently where NYC paid a million dollars to enforce people to pay for train tickets, which was less than twenty thousand a year in lost revenue.
I think it's mostly about saving face for advertisers. Which is funny because Google never does anything for saving face for their users as they shut down services that literally cost a rounding error for them to run.
The amount of people who:
Are not statistically significant to YouTube's viewership or income.
I figured that. If I was to guess, I would say ~90% use the native app on their phones or TV to watch YouTube.
In total, I have to assume ad blocking viewers make up a single percent or less.
I don't see how this could make financial sense.
This must consume a tremendous amount of processing to do since they would have to transcode copies for every ad region/campaign and every resolution on demand. I am interested in how they made this financially viable.
Not necessarily. They could split the video in advance, assuming the ads will always be at the same point. Even if not, they could still use the direct, unaltered source with a range. The big challenge would be keeping it all synced, which I think is safe to say that they will get right.
But even if it did need to be transcoded, YouTube automatically transcodes every single video uploaded, multiple times. They are clearly not afraid of it.
If you’ve ever used yt-dl, you’ll know that YT vids are all split into multiple files. Presumably, this is where the ads get injected.
Since AI has caused them to complete abandoned any illusions about their carbon zero footprint I think they just stopped caring.
I’d guess its a solution similar to DASH that dynamically streams different content.
They don’t need to do any extra transcoding. It’s not that costly to stitch videos together. If done at specific strategic locations, it’s like copying a text file into another.
If they only do it for very popular videos, the additional cost will be trivial.
Have a sneaking suspicion that google is doing the classic spend 100 dollars to save 1 cent type scenario, cause all the money they've dumped into this anti-adblock shit? theres no way its less than what they've not made from adblockers.
Especially when all this money could have been spent on improving their ad service so people don't have to view 2 hour ads, or malware laden bullshit, or just blatant pornographic advertising.
but why spend money moderating their own service, when they can spend 10x the money trying to force their open septic tank of a service on everyone.
It's what happens when you hire MBA grads and they're trying to find relevance.
Maybe... but in the long term advertisers aren't going to be willing to spend as much on a platform if they know that ads are easily blocked.
except ads are blocked everywhere when you have an adblocker.
and people have adblocking because ads are cancer
Because as are everywhere.
and they carry malware.
and they are obnoxious, if not straight pornographic.
Moderating the advertising would do far more for making adblock useless, than starting a petty dickslapping war they wont win.
I remember when I first downloaded an ad blocker. For quite a while I didn't bother, ads didn't bother me and websites need to pay for hosting somehow. Then I encountered an ad that SCREAMED "HELOOOOOO" any time you moused over it and I immediately downloaded an ad blocker and haven't been without since.
Fuck advertising companies, they are the reason ad blockers are so prolific. If ads aren't bothering you then you're not noticing them, meaning they're not doing their job so ad companies will develop new ways to bother you with them until you refuse to take it anymore.
Yea the moment my adblockers don't work I stop using youtube
I suspect they're fine with that.
I mean I'll settle for the ad being blacked out and muted while I wait for the content. Or have it play elevator music while I wait.
or do some back end trickery where they can buffer the video for longer than youtube allows, then selectively clip out the ad parts so you can continue to seemlessly watch.
I wonder if the server throttles that ads so you can't 2x the playback speed. Sounds like a good way to detect when the ads are being served.
Watch how quickly I drop your fucking platform lmao. Please give me a reason
Or just one more thing to add to the open seas of piracy. Or start supporting nebula?
Although this would be the case for piracy, as a better means to support artist, because I pirate my music. I do attend more live music venues which gives more revenue directly to the artist
When the YT apps stopped working a few days ago, I just continued watching on Nebula until the apps were fixed. Only went back onto YT to read discussions in video comments
I'm getting them already, which is a bit annoying, but I still prefer the black screen with an adblocker to the wild mix of commercials that range from MLM schemes and "join my telegram group for totally not financial advice" to flat out hate speech that I'd get without an adblocker. So yeah suck it Google.
I give it 5 hours from mass release before ad blockers catch up.
A bit longer if they play their cards right. If we have to move to a detect, buffer and skip model, it'll be quite a while.
There are already addons to skip in-stream adds for when people do those sponsor segments. It just crowd sources the most consistently skipped parts and does it automatically.
Timing and length of ads won't be consistent between users so this approach doesn't work.
Depends how wide the range of ads is, if its a set amount/month then you could use the same method to pretty quickly identify which segments of data are ads and automatically cut them out wherever they occur.
Sponsor block works so well because the content to skip is exactly in the same place for everyone's video.
They don't have that kind of limitation.
Sb also requires you to initiate a fast forward during a commercial. They could ignore that command while commercials are running.
At that point we need to store the buffer as it's coming in. Detect the commercials based on sound or scene changes.
Since they do have a limited number of of commercials, if we did the crowd effort to identify and catalog /fingerprint commercials we may be able to do a more accurate method for detection and skip. At least until they are modifying the commercials with AI to avoid detection.
If you're referring to sponsorblock: no, those timings are manually submitted, not automatically generated by Skip time
If they make it shitty enough I just wont use it.
That will only be an option if content creators don’t use it either. And they will look where their audience goes, which will mostly be nowhere.
I mean, there is always the option of putting down YouTube and going outside, or picking up a hobby or something.
Gross, I know, having to live in the stone ages, but there's always another option.
In a really twisted way, Youtube is a fairly big reason why a good number of people go outside, take up hobbies, etc.
Way ahead of you
Any good alternatives you can suggest? I fucking hate what alphabet has done to google and youtube.
yewtu.be
Imagine what YouTube could be if they spent all this cash on improving their service instead.
That is only possible without capitalism. Until then, we will not see a single popular good service.
Nothing that can't be blocked by sponsorblock.
And if that doesn't work we'll find something else. Even if we'd have to download the same video multiple times to compare and strip out the differences.
Google may have plenty of nerds, but the world will always have more.
The issue is that Sponsorblock uses timestamps of videos to skip segments. If the ads injected all have different durations, then SponsorBlock is now obsolete.
It's not even that simple. If you skip ahead during an ad, the YT servers could just keep streaming you the ad content anyway. Their servers can ensure that the next 30s of packet data you receive is an ad no matter what, so the only way you can skip it is to wait it out and close your ears and eyes. Basically the same concept as ads on broadcast TV. Which means we'll have to do a TiVo for YT... Gross.
It was going to happen eventually. It sucks since so much good content is still housed on youtube. The bright side is that I'll probably read more when uBlock stops working so well.
I'm in the same boat here. My digital addictions are literally solved by the platforms itself
Yup, YouTube is my crack. This could be a good thing.
I know there's a significant part of the market that'd just say yeah, fuck it, i'll pay for
RedtubeYoutube RedYoutube Premium, but there's also a significant part of it, where a lot of people would rather just stop watching stuff entirely.It's just like Hulu back in the days. You'd have no choice but to pay for a premium tier, just to have 14 unskippable ads forced down your throat, all in a span of a 19 minute long tv episode. I stopped paying after that month and resorted to piracy.
Piracy is always a service issue, except now it's legitimately going to harm individual creators, who have just about everything to lose, rathen that a rotten husk of some corporation, that's going to print free money, no matter what you do
I know it isn't the world we live in anymore, and there's nothing we can do about it...but maybe we shouldn't have treated YouTube like a job and just kept it as a hobby video website between ordinary people. Like what it started out as.
To be honest, whether we want it or not, art is a necessary aspect of society. The issue here is that we put a lot of trust in a corporate environment, the entire goal of which is to pocket as much as possible, while riding the success of the people creating stuff
Yeah that's what I mean. People created entire careers which are 100% dependent on the whims of a mega corporation. It never seemed like a stable source of income to me. I've always treated it like it's just a silly video site, nothing more.
I'd 100% pay for it if the pricing made any sense.
The price is absolutely obscene. No fucking way i’m paying that
When it was 9 bucks, it was worth it. Certainly isn't now.
Redtube is a porn site, lol.
Server side ads sound more expensive for Google to me. I'll just use some future plugin that blacks out the screen or whatever if it comes to that.
Sounds like a price increase is coming our way!
They are coming your way for sure. Cause I'm not paying a dime 😉
Wouldn't sponsorblock be enough?
This is where AI would come in handy. Start scrubbing the buffer as it’s coming in to identify the difference and jump past it.
It becomes an AI war. They will use AI to make ads to get around the AI blocking. The ads will end up looking very similar to the content.
Ad: "Hey guys. It's ya boy, NordVPN, here today to tell you about the dangers of using the internet without my VPN...."
Whatever happened to ad placement lol
Then you start using ai to put in anti ads that point out all the bad stuff about the usual ad subjects, I'd say get as code to libel/slander as possible without risking a lawsuit
I'd be watching a car accident compilation and a Buick starts trying to tell me to ask my doctor about Cymbalta. You know... I might actually watch that.
Aren't they legally required to indicate that an ad is playing? Should be almost trivial to detect and I don't know how they'd get around that.
I'm the US? I think only if the content is targeted at children.
Does the ad restrict play back controls (such as disabling fast forward)? Trivial for an add-on to detect and if nothing else black out the video and mute the audio until playback controls are restored.
If it doesn't restrict fast forward then everyone can skip the ad without an ad-blocker.
Also, now that ads are server side YouTube is more responsible for the content of them as they are hosting them.
I have no problems with this.
Ad blockers are useful for more than just YouTube. So they are not going anywhere. However it will be a bummer if we can no longer block YouTube ads.
On android I have to endure the ads but on desktop I never see them.
I use revanced:
Revanced manager: https://revanced.app/download
MicroG: https://github.com/revanced/gmscore/releases/tag/v0.3.1.3.240913
You also get SponsorBlock and Return YouTube Dislike right in the app (+ many other ui and functionality modifications)
Use newpipe on Android, no ads
Or even better Tubular or LibreTube
NewPipe, Libretube, Revanced are the way to go!
What's hilarious about this article is that I'm actually getting YouTube premium for free as some kind of bonus to my phone service yet I'm still using ad blockers on it and everything else. I really don't give a shit. If they want to get better at injecting ads I'm going to place my bets on ad blockers getting better at blocking them. Or just not using YouTube. Cause, quite frankly, most of my favorite creators are on Nebula anyway and I pay for that service.
I use Firefox and just use the web browser. You can even listen to YouTube with the screen off. Plus Firefox add ons/extensions
If you're on Android, use revanced
Try LibreTube. Or Firefox Mobile with Ublock Origin. Or one of many other solutions. You don't need to watch YouTube ads on Android.
The moment they fix the search, fix their recommendations, stop wasting money on junk projects like games and allow me to completely disable Shorts, I will resubscribe to YT Premium.
Why do Shorts (and Reels, and Stories, and whatever other catchy names they give short form videos) even exist?
The number of ads per hour of video is higher. And people get addicted to the dopamine fix. Short videos generally will have to be incredibly stimulating to keep people watching.
Your dopamine goes through the rood for 15 seconds or 30 seconds, after that it drops down again and you need the next video to get it higher again and again. In between the videos you get ads, so in the end they lure you into watching a whole bunch of ads.
They optimize their algoritms so they know what keeps you watching. Could be cute puppies, could also be fake news about how everything is somebody elses fault, but they just want to keep you watching. They don't care about the truth, they need your eyes on the ads.
And that is how generations will be ruined.
For the same reason Vines did.
I would argue it's more about consumerism and fin tech business ideas now, tik Tok nowadays has a bunch of shops, it's kind of the end stage of this sadly
Maybe if they cleared out the scams and served more than 3 ads on repete, I wouldn't feel the need to block them. Yes, no one likes ads, but I get its to pay for the content I'm watching for free.
Google is getting desprite
Wait until it gets depepsi.
I prefer decoke
Do the dedew!
I'm rooting for beer
fucking YouTube, am i right?
no seriously, havent used it in months, and weirdly dont Miss it. i used to watch YouTube the whole day.
May I ask what do you use for content instead of YouTube? A lot of certain people I follow are on YouTube and music that I listen to are often only on YouTube these days. Not even Spotify has the niche songs (mainly Arabic and Japanese songs).
well, i would never even think of using it for music (except downloading what i cant find) same with spotify (i hate streaming). I just watched regular videos, which I just suddenly don't do anymore, I started binging TV shows instead, -no ads .
I just couldn't bare the ads, they're that bad. and when I think of stuff that makes me mad, I can't do anything associated with it, I.e. watch YouTube -know there will be ads (or not, because i have an adblocker) the mere thought that there WOULD be ads is so annoying to me, that I cannot stand watching YouTube.
but yeah back to the point, TV shows, and books, especially books have been my replacement, and I must say, they are much better.
What do you mean by “regular videos”?
Not music videos.
And that’s when I moved to Invidious and haven’t looked back
What makes you think they won't block them or force ads to them as well?
You do know that Invidious is still YouTube, right?
It’s an open source front end to youtube, yes. So no ads on the sidebar, no bullshit about logging in, no garbage algorithm to be harassed by.
And no commercials yet. If YT streams the ads and invidious doesn’t block them and adblocker doesn’t block them and PiHole doesn’t block them, I will not watch them.
Death to Advertisement.
I don't think YouTube cares if you refuses to watch their videos on another platform or not.
They probably prefer if you didn't. You only cost them money with no revenue whatsoever.
They are still a metric they can peddle to their advertisers to show "how many people see this ad in a month."
You don't think they know how many watch their videos with adblockers or third party clients?
I highly doubt they accept views from third party clients as valid ad views or probably views at all since that would likely make abuse easier.
Considering I can't get Invidious to serve me a video in a higher res than 480p, no thanks.
I'm so fucking sick of their greedy bullshit
Next article...UBlock has designed AI to detect ads and blackout/mute video until it is done. Even better, it can buffer queued videos ahead of time and just remove ads.
Commercial detection systems exist already although I couldn't vouch for their efficacy. How they will integrate with streaming however is another question.
I for one am excited for this phase of the cat & mouse game, as solving this challenge means keeping the monkey off our backs for good while longer.
It might even be a bit simpler than that, as YouTube's going to have to mark segments as adverts somehow so you can't just skip past them.
No, I would rather quit watching youtube rather than to watch Japanese style animation porn ads.
Things look much better if I'm on a US VPN. But I don't want to get bothered by those porn ads if it suddenly stops (yeah, it sometimes crashes for some reason) or I forget to turn it on. And yeah, I still don't like Grammarly ads although it's much better than porns.
I'm sure I'll be downvoted to hell, but I just pay for Premium because I use YouTube all the time, don't want to see ads, and acknowledge that YouTube is an incredible service/product.
I don't think that's an unfair thing to say at all.
I want to pay for Premium, but a mixture of oppressive tactics, poor payouts for YouTubers, and constant price hikes has made me reconsider. I watch YouTube more than most streaming providers, and that list continues to shrink because the cost has outpaced the value. A few years ago I couldn't imagine not watching Netflix, but now...eh, cancel it.
The fact that google also tracks and monetizes/exploits every single thing you do should be more than enough payment. Considering thats how they got to be where they are in the first place.
Besides. If google moderated its fucking ads to begin with, people wouldnt have overwhelmingly adopted adblocking, since google adsense is like the biggest adserver on the internet.
I'm in the same boat. There are a lot of parts of the Internet that should be free, but YouTube is not one of them. Video hosting is one of the most resource intensive services around, and if we as consumers aren't paying for it they'll find a worse way to fund it.
If YouTube were an independent company, I would be much happier to pay like I do for Spotify and even (borderline) Paramount Plus. I have no problem paying artists for their time, and I have spent thousands and thousands on commissions and merchandise from independent people and art businesses. Google already has enough money. I would rather save my money for small(er) companies who actually need it.
If people stopped supporting these ultra-consolidated megacorporations, we might have a healthier economy and better worker's rights overall. But what do I know lol
Hey very valid statement and salute to you.
Personally, I believe this ultimately hurts and affects customers like yourself. Because YT is spending all of this additional effort to effect and crowdout, if looked at a very tiny percentage. Instead of investing into platform improvements for visitors and creators.
YT should of focused on competition which is every other streaming service. If they provided shows still using network ads breaks, instead of these psycho every 4min you 2.5mins of ads unless you pay is just extortion. Plus they aren't really sharing revenue with creators... sigh
And people you're watching are getting money if you're a premium user.
It's just gonna make premium more expensive because they have to recoup their engineering costs somehow and I don't think that the extra ad views from bypassing as blockers will cover it.
That's fair.
Same. My adblockers are still in place, but YouTube premium is by far the best bang for the buck I spend on entertainment. My family uses it every day on multiple devices, and then we get YT music too.
Based on what I've heard from creators, they love us premium subscribers. If I get no ads and the people I like get more money, I call that a win. Having just been to the movies which have about an hour of unskippable ads at the beginning - including ads to show more ads - I'm willing to pay to not have that in my life.
Me too, I've had YouTube premium since it was called YouTube Red and I was still in middle school lol.
Aha! So this is how one snuck into a video I downloaded last night. Fuckers. At least with a locally downloaded file I can quickly skip ahead.
Or even trim it.
Way back in the day when I used SageTV to record live TV there were programs that would automatically identify commercials and skip them for you. Computers are way more powerful now so I doubt it will be long before there's and app that automatically downloads your favorite YouTube channels and prescans the videos to skip the ads.
Still using comskip.exe today although it seems to be having more trouble than it used to.
Rumble and PeerTube
EDIT: I'm already paying YouTube with personal data and privacy.
Please do this! YouTube will finally be unusable and Google can finally start to die completely :3
Most normies I know watch YouTube with ads already. I sadly don't think this will put much of a dent in YouTube.
That’s the thing, right? They’re fighting a very small minority of users blocking ads/tracking this hard
If corporations are not squeezing every little bit of profit. Then the corporation is losing st making money.
I'll be the devils advocate: if this lets them stop trying to fucking break all the 3rd party tools, then I'm almost willing to say it's half a win.
I only half use 3rd party tools to block ads, the MORE important half is that the 3rd party apps fucking show me my subscriptions in chronological order and NOTHING FUCKING ELSE.
I'd trade off ads you could skip by hopping forward 30 seconds in a video stream vs. missing things you're actually subscribed to, and having to deal with all the garbage google shovels at you.
Fuck youtube
Let's develop an AI that can detect where ads in videos start and end. And cut them out client side. Anti corporate advertising AI :D
Sponsor block extension
There is no way for advertisers to know that their ads are actually shown. That is why an ad is a link to the advertiser's website. If there is one thing I have learned from uploading to YT and watching, it's that YT is terrible at transparency and this kind of logistics. I doubt this will work at all.
A few more years till they measure engagement via your camera
Arse has fallen out of their money printer so they're getting desperate.
My local invidious instance is borked too. Not sure if its related and I don't have time to investigate now.Guess I need something else for background noise.Edit: Took enough time to get a fresh image and its working again. Looks like I hadn't updated since September.
God it sure would suck if there were trojan advertisements threatening to take down Youtube servers.
Sounds good. It’s a waste of time anyway. Maybe I’ll do something else like go outside or create something of my own.
Yet another reason I'm glad I use youtube-dl.
If they're truly server-side injected, then they would also appear permanently in any downloaded copy because the server would be telling the client what pieces are available-including the ad pieces with no way to differentiate.
At least if still downloads them you can edit them out if it's something you want to save.
At least I can trim those away if needed.
Since it is server side, will this effect the alternative front ends?
That’s the point. They want to stop people bypassing ads by using alternative front ends. If they succeed with server side ads, then it’s going to be difficult to block ads. Maybe not impossible, but difficult.
That's what I figured, but I'm not expert on how things work so wanted someone who knows more chime in. Sad times
It won't, you'll just use an app that pre downloads all your favorite channels and scans them for ads so it can auto skip them.
Won't this totally break deep linking to time codes?
They can surely work around that... But if the client somehow knows where the ads are, the adblocker can skip them anyways.
But maybe also deep linking is less important than ads to them.
FUCK GOOGLE SO GODDAMN MUCH
If only there were hundreds of other sites on the Internet that stream video. If porn sites can make it work, anyone can make it work.
I got the server-side ads a few weeks ago. Switched to another account and was ad-free again. I'd be happy to pay for Premium as it supports the creators I watch, but for ad-free alone it's not worth the £13/mo. The other features jacking up the price aren't much use to me.
Oh no, Anyway - Invidious/Piped user Hmmm wait, those may not work with it... damn
use libretube or grayjay 👍
Using a different client won't help if the ads are injected directly into the video stream.