Smartphone sales down 22 percent in Q2, the worst performance in a decade
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Smartphone sales down 22 percent in Q2, the worst performance in a decade::North American sales are bad for everyone, except, miraculously, Google.
Smartphone sales down 22 percent in Q2, the worst performance in a decade::North American sales are bad for everyone, except, miraculously, Google.
Who would have thought that the stagnation in development means people don't want to buy a new phone for a 2% better camera every year. I recon we gonna see anti repair hitting new heights tho cos u gotta squeeze money out of people somehow.
Stagnation in development, wages, >$1000 flagship pricetags.
Rise in inflation, cost of living.
Weird!
Perhaps at that point the consumer will opt for the repairable options.
Hmm its crazy that almost like rampant consumerism isn't the most efficient thing to do
I think thats whats going to happen. Fairphones are mid-range, but a midrange phone is enough for everything nowadays. The only reason I want to switch my phone right now is because the fingerprint sensor is broken
Wouldn't really say it's "midrange", it's expensive AF.
Price wise maybe not, but they were referring to the hardware specs being mid range. Updates have always been Androids biggest issue and continue to drive people to the major brands.
Exactly, price is higher of course but specs are midrange. But buying a phone for 700€ and then using it for 5 years is a lot better than buying one for 400€ for 2 years
Same. I'm hopelessly addicted to unlocking with my fingerprint!
Happened to desktop PC's a couple decades back. Once there's no reason to buy a new PC or phone, you stop buying a new PC or phone. Before that buying a new PC every few years meant less lag and needed ram/hard drive space.
Something not long ago reminded me of Weird Al's "It's All About The Pentiums" from 1999. And I went through it line by line to see what holds up and what doesn't. Best line: "Your motherboard melts when you try to send a fax."
There's an entire verse dedicated to the joke of how quickly computers became obsolete, which just isn't a thing anymore. A decently spec'd desktop can last a decade in service now.
I remember a great AMV to that song. Always loved me some W.A. White n Nerdy was a real banger. Also, I heard "I think I'm a Clone Now" way more than "I think We're Alone Now."
A sign that the smartphone has reached maturity, I guess. People don't feel the imperative to upgrade any more. That's good for the planet!
Time to start development on rectal computers.
It's internet capable!
Does it have Bluetooth?
It's all about the vibration alert
Those are called remote controlled sex toys and already exist :)
Neuralink!
(Shudders)
Analink?
For an in depth analysis of your shit
Monitor your shit cycle with the new iFart
That could actually be useful (IBD gang)
Thats the fountain pen I keep in my butt
Isn't that essentially what that one chess player was accused of?
Those are called remote controlled sex toys and already exist :)
Wait.. a few days ago I read something about smart toilets using anal prints and internet connectivity. So rectal computers are not too far off.
I don't understand the use case of such an invention
For example you have a a bidet, and several people in your household. Each person likes the water temperature differenr, or their anus is in a different position. Usually, one has to configure those settings manually each time they poop. Well, no more with the anal print identifier (API). You can sit, relax and do your business, the API will read your anus print and adjust the temperature and water aim automatically.
Thank you!
I keep talking about how my API makes my defecation that much better and truly understands my shit better than I could have hoped for and my coworkers keep slowly backing away from me. I don't understand why they are so scared of what an API can do for them and the ease of their work on the toilet.
That's what happens when you keep increasing the price without adding value.
You mean removing a headphone jack, SD storage options, and removable batteries aren't added value? I know they claim it makes your phone more waterproof, but I don't wanna use my phone in the pool, I just wanna listen to some headphones without charging them.
No no no. Your phone might be waterproof, but we don't condone the usage of the phone near bodies of water. Intentional submersion of the phone voids the guarantee (actual language on the guarantee of a IP67 waterproof phone).
I find hilarious* that they claim their phones is waterproof while shoving a water sensitive sticker that triggers with the small hint of humidity to deny warranty.
*infuriating
Personally it's the expandable storage that stops me from ever wanting to upgrade again, I don't care how much it has base I want the ability to swap it out and add more
I miss the jack, and I can still replace a battery if need be (have the equipment and know-how) but no SD card slots is a real kick in the nuts. I'm keeping my n20U.
The new Google 9 comes with 4 wheels so you can drive it without carrying it. We had to remove a bunch of features to fit the wheels and rc antenna, stuff like the phone capability, installing non-Google content, and anything that could prevent ads, Firefox is no longer something you can use, but it's worth it for zoomy phone functionality.
Also there's a subscription fee now or you have to listen to ads before your call.
Oooo does it have a foldable screen that no one asked for?
I had a non-waterproof iPhone from 2009-2021 and never had an issue. I hate apple's BS excuse to sell airpods.
And coming out with a new one every year despite it being the same as last year's
The ea fifa sports of consumer electronics.
Despite it being WORSE than last year. I went from a iPhone 10 Plus to an iPhone 11 after dropping my phone in used motor oil and fucking up all the speakers/mics. I didn't realize that I'd be getting a MASSIVE downgrade in image quality. Comparing the photos they take side by side, the iPhone 11 looks like a 4 MP camera from a decade ago. EDIT: OK guys, I get it, I was wrong. It was an iphone 8 Plus, not 10 Plus.
There was no iPhone 10 plus...
There was, until some feckless schlub dropped the prototype into used motor oil
hahah that's about the sum of it. Never keep your phone in your shirt pocket when changing your oil. This is bugging me, maybe it was a 10 Pro? I haven't thought about it since I retired it from use. It was an iPhone 8 Plus
Don't keep your phone in your shirt pocket, period. Most shirt pockets won't securely hold a US dime let alone today's 4 pound, 8 inch long smart phones.
It was an iPhone 8 Plus. The only thing I like about the iPhone 11 camera is low light performance vs. the 8 Plus. But nearly everything else about the 8 Plus cam seemed better. Image sharpness, noise, telephoto more desirable to me than fisheye, etc.
lol no worries I was just thinking you meant an XS Max which would be the equivalent to a 10 pro max. Going from that to a regular 11 would be a relative downgrade.
Idk I jumped over to Apple with the 12 and the camera on that was better than my pixel 4XL. I got a 15 pro max now and it blows the pants off my 12.
Everyone is currently poor as shit.
Or, maybe, people realized that there is no reason to get a new phone every year.
They are not mutually exclusive, tbf.
True, but the calculation probably include also less expensive models, which make probably the big part of the market.
And even for a low price smartphone there is no necessity to buy a new one every year.
Then I agree, actually probably there is way less people that can put 1000 or more $/€ on a phone every year.
poor people are poor as shit
rich people who are richer off the backs of poor people are not poor as shit
Sure, but even rich people don't buy more than two phones, if they have one for personal and one for business.
And one for infidelity
I have plenty of disposable income. But why would I spend hundreds and hundreds on a new phone when I just got a Pixel 5 off eBay for $100?
Pixel 5 was peak pixel.. I have a 7a now but TBH preferred the 5 just for its size and rear fingerprint reader.
On the iphone side I picked up an iphone SE 2020 for £120 (no an ios fan but it's good to have around for development and testing).
There's really not justification for £800 phones any more when the older ones are this good..
Non essential spending is still through the roof. People are buying all the extra shit still.
"The average sell price is up from $663 to $738 year over year, indicating it's the premium phones that are selling, and all the cheap vendors are getting shut out."
Totally disagree with the article's assumption, I'd say you are more correct. No one wants to or has that much money to pay for ridiculous prices, so sales are tanking. The few who can, or must buy a new phone certainly aren't going to buy something with no staying power when hundreds of phone makers have coke and gone in the last decade.
Phone price keeps going up but my paycheck keeps going down with inflation
They should really stop over saturating the market by releasing new models every year with little to no meaningful upgrades.
Even mid-range phones nowadays are good enough to last long after they stop receiving updates, it therefore makes little financial sense (for the average consumer) to buy the newest model every year, not even touching on the environmental impact.
They could try innovating, I couldn't give a shite about the cameras really. If I want to take proper photos I'll get a DSLR. I'll never want their smart processing of pics either.
Give me cool features again.
For me the camera was a selling point. I was tired of hauling around a dslr on my trips. I find that the smart processing is good enough 90% of the time and I don't want to both haul the camera and handle the post processing anymore. I'd rather just have 90% quality photos of my family and spend more time with them. Hire a photographer for weddings, etc, but really the smart processing is pretty impressive for day to day and even trips.
I mean this right here: I miss those glorious days in the late 2000s when phones were fun. You could buy a phone that fit your lifestyle. If you text and email a lot, get a phone with a keyboard. Take a lot of photos? Get a camera phone. Like listening to music? Here's a media phone. Like games? Here's a gaming phone. Just want a thing that can make phone calls that will last a month on a charge because you don't use it much? Here's a regular old flip phone.
Nowadays you don't even have a real choice in size. Want a small phone that's easy to fit in a pocket because you usually have a laptop with you anyway? Get bent!
Yeah I won't be buying a new phone until they return to a reasonable size. I have a tablet and laptop for real work.
I was considering getting a mirrorless camera and a compact lens setup for traveling with my family. After a week of researching I stayed with my phone. It's a huge pita (especially once you consider post processing) and the only situations where you will really need one is low light or evening pictures, and nature photography.
So no, hauling a dslr and 3kg of lens is not really a solution, especially with a kid in one arm. My phone is several years old (Oneplus 7 Pro) and the only thing I wish it had was modern camera and software to match.
My phone's camera is complete shit and I still don't bother with my DSLR for the reasons you describe.
You can get way more compact mirrorless, my Fuji X-E3 + 35mm f/2 is 550g and the difference in image quality is very clear.
Unfortunately for you, you’re in the minority. People have proven they’ll upgrade for better cameras.
See how I said "I", that means it's a personal view so the statistics for the masses don't matter...but also this post is about declining sales.
You made zero substantive input to this conversation.
No need to be rude.
This is the reply of someone with nowhere else to go, there is no need to be rude just as there is no need to be relevant I guess.
You were snarky initially and it was unnecessary, you get back what you put out.
My intention wasn’t to be snarky. Sorry you took it that way. 🤷🏼♂️ Get outside and enjoy the day instead of bickering with me. I’m just some stranger on the interweb. Let it go. I’m not worth it. lol.
I had a lovely day, it was a stunning day on the Danube. Hope yours was just as nice.
Like what, though? What is a need you have that your smartphone does not currently serve?
In 2017 I bought a Lenovo P2. It had a midrange processor, 64gb of storage (pretty decent for the time), amoled screen, audio jack, 5100 mAh battery, and a price tag of €350.
I only had to charge it every other day, video looked amazing and it was decently prized.
I want my phone to be usable with a dock where I can put in a keyboard, mouse and screen to use as a PC like the steam deck.
Isn't Samsung DEX exactly that?
Wow you are right, I never heard of that.
We've hit the wall of diminishing returns. How much power do you need to run lemmy?
Ive got a 4k oled 144hrtz panel in my phone... to read lemmy.
And my pixel 6 is considered aging.
Pixel 6, look at Mr. Monopoly over here. I just got a 5 off eBay for $100. In fact, my last 6 or 7 phones came from eBay. Can't imagine why I would pay for the latest and greatest.
Do you put something like lineage on it? I replaced my 5 with a 7a just because it no longer gets updates as of this month I believe it is
No way in hell I'd trust some rando from eBay with selling me a phone not riddled with Malware.
Wipe that shit with a new ROM and you're golden.
better hope the bootloader isn't infected as well
You can flash the bootloader too.
Tmobile gave it to me for free after they shitcanned 4g during the Sprint merger. They had to give out new shiny 5g phones to appease users.
I got an iPhone 14 pro as an upgrade (contract). Had a pixel 6 before, wish I had stayed on the 6 to be honest, the 14 pro is amazing but I barely use it for anything.
You need at least 2 pixel 6's to run a lemmy... sorry 😞
Pixel 6 has 1080p90 OLED but ok
Its a 6 pro my Bad
That's 1440p120
If you're upgrading your device every single time a new device comes along, you're just chasing clout and status. They rarely, if ever, have significant performance upgrades or new features that make sense in upgrading when your current device is perfectly fine.
Phones also aren't special anymore. Like the days where phones were flashy and people needed the best/newest phones are gone. Everyone knows everyone has a phone, nobody cares what phone it is. It reminds me of like 2004-2008 when laptops were a big deal and then everyone had one and it became a tool and people stopped caring what you had.
To be fair the vast majority of people don't do that and just buy a new phone after a few years when theirs is becoming too old, has issues or lacks useful features
Most people upgrade when their battery is shot.
Planned Obsolescence / E-Waste Entropy seems to have been the main reason I upgraded to a new phone for like the last three phones I've owned. Eventually the phone just devours all the processing power and makes it feel bad to use, or the battery stops charging or depletes in hours even while idle.
That's why I miss the days when you could just take the old battery out and put a new one in.
Hopefully EU legislation should bring that back in the coming years, I believe they're working on such law at the moment
already enacted, vote went through in July. However the "come to force" of the earliest part of the regulation is 2025 and the replaceable battery mandate come to force date is 2027. However I would assume stuff starts going with replaceable battery 2025-2026, since by 2027 it's illegal to not have that for on sale item. So one would transition year or two early to have ones retail and supply chains empty of the old non-replaceable stuff to avoid having unsold stock or get hit with punishment for being caught selling non regulation items*. So you want the replaceable battery products designed and in production before 2027.
Also one key I would point out, that is often left out. It doesn't only cover phones. It covers pretty much all battery powered electronics. SO lots of those other small electronic gadget with built in Li-ions will start sprouting battery covers or possibly moving back to their old power of choice, banks of AAs. Since those are inherently replaceable. Well plus non-recycleables aren't covered by the regulation. However also the maker can argue their green credibility with "well customer can put rechargeable AAs in it. Then it's a replaceable battery product."
* Well in reality one's retail partners would refuse to accept the stuff for sale, since upon it being on sale at their shelf it's now their ass on the firing line by regulators.
This. The sealed phone is the #1 reason why people are getting new phones and contributing to the eco waste.
It should have never been allowed to happen. I promise you there is a way to make a phone with a removable back waterproof. They just don't make it because they want you to replace the phone every two years.
They also haven't rushed to make longer lasting batteries, say 4 years, for the same reason.
You don't even need a hardware change to make batteries last long, capping charging at 80% and slowing the fast-charging will do that, both of which can be done in OS software. They just need a "battery protection mode" option for people who keep their phones plugged in a lot.
I just buy refurbished or "New-Old-Stock" 2-year-old flagship phones off ebay for $100 or so bucks every other year.
In fact I think smart phones peaked 3 or 4 years ago and we're going downhill now. The manufacturers remove features that people like in favor of objectively worse ones (lots of people loved having the fingerprint reader on the back, now it's either gone entirely or under the screen for some stupid reason?, then of course headphone jacks are going extinct).
When is the last time a smart phone had a major improvement over it's predecessor? And I mean like, "This one didn't have a camera, this one does." Especially since they're converging on the same 5.7" black rectangle.
I like the finger print reader under the screen
it's amazing that in capitalism a company has to always show numbers rising like there is no physical upper boundary. The most logical and efficient economic model
It drives me insane how many people turn a blind eye to the funny numbers needing to always go up. Every "investor" will tell me how the market has never not recovered; how I'm the fool and surely not them for trusting in the system.
I hate that my retirement depends on a 401k, or money that constantly depreciates.
Constant growth at all costs. In the short term at least. Whether that works out in the long run or not...
Good. We should be using our phones for longer.
I understand 'worst sales' but 'worst performance' doesn't really fit. It's in my opinion this is a fantastic performance on the market. With right to repair, longer software support, some models with replaceable batteries, we can use the phones longer and make the industry more sustainable and consumer friendly. For the last years already, the model feature upgrades were marginal and it's fine that way.
In the future, I'd hope for further technical and regulatory development in that direction, resulting in further reduced annual sales numbers.
When the whole western society has been force fed that "we must consume else our economy will collapse", not continously outselling (and throwing away barely year old work) is bad, this is the result.
Worst performance of trying to get your money.
Have they considered releasing another hard to hold glass slab exactly like the previous one?
It's almost as if, they haven't fundamentally updated smartphones in almost a decade, and now they want $2000 for them.
Also, it's almost as if we've been in a recession for a year. Regardless of whether or not the government wants to call it a recession, we've had numerous back to back quarters with negative GDP growth. That's literally a recession.
And with one graph that argument is out the window.
Well there are foldables, which are growing as category, but I don't know if it makes a net difference and anyway they're too small to make a difference currently.
"There are some of you who want phones that are easier to fit in a pocket, but we'll break the deal we made with Satan if we ever build 4 inch phones again, so here's a 6 inch phone that bends in half. The screen is so soft your stubble will ruin it and the Earth's atmosphere is too coarse for the severely complicated hinge to survive a month. That'll be $9900.
Except whenever a manufacturer, including Apple, tries to market a phone that's smaller than the average size, nobody buys them.
The only people who actually want smaller phones are some very loud people on the internet.
They doubled the price while removing core features like headphone jacks and microSD.
The people who bought phones as a status symbol ran out of money and the people who are advanced users are sticking with their old phones that are simply better until planned obsolescence forces them to buy another older model.
I haven't felt the headphone jack removal as much as I thought I would, though I've had a few sets of Bluetooth headphones for traveling since about 2014 or so
Phone plateaued 5 years ago for the average user.
I have a one plus 6. I'm on it for hours everyday. Reading. Browsing. Listening. No gaming. Lots of pictures.
My online data ran out long before my phone data - for pictures.
Phone runs fast. No more updates so nothing changes on me anymore.
I have zero reason to update. Would I like a better camera? Sure. But not for 1200$ I don't.
Could my battery last longer? Yeah. Sure. But I can replace it if I want for 20-40$
My next phone will probably be a refurbished last Gen phone. Nothing more then 400 I imagine.
I upgraded from a 7 to a 14 pro and while it doesn't hang up on the newer OS as much (a problem the 7 developed over its lifetime), it's not really an appreciably better experience overall. The camera is nicer.
On the 7 Pro, stuck on the oneplus navigation gestures, pop up front facing cam. Fully working phone, still no other phone to replace it when it comes to having a screen without a bump. And I can get a free phone through work, but there isn't one I want yet...
I switched from the 7 pro to 10 pro just to double my storage and have a better camera. For actual use as a phone, there wasn't a need to upgrade whatsoever.
Plus you can probably run stock Android on the op6 if you wanted to run Android 13
Good. They should never have been that high anyways
like desktop PCs
like DVD players?
no innovation, no need for a new device
apple seems to have quit innovating and google is just a fat fuck that is so lazy their core product search has gotten shit.
nokia nokia lol
Maybe they should bring back some form-factor diversity that niche consumer segments could gravitate toward, instead of every manufacturer targeting only the largest (and blandest) portion of the pie and ignoring the rest of it. If it's not clear, I am holding out for some decent "mini-sized" Android option.
Unihertz being the only one even trying..
Asus Zenfones are (relatively) small phones and they're pretty decent.
The dimensions of the ZenFone are basically the same as the iPhone or S23, so it doesn't represent a meaningful alternative to mainstream form-factor options imo.
Every major company releases the same phone year after year and the only significant change is the price. I don't mind using the same phone for few years.
Lmao stopped upgrading years ago...
When this 5 yo phone kicks the bucket, I'll upgrade to a 4 yo model for cheap
Literally not missing out on anything and saving a fucking bag doing it
I just changed a 4yo phone that was getting extremely slow and laggy. I went for a mid level phone. From this very year. It has the same QoL and features of an iPhone14 if not its performance. It should last at least 5 years and costs ~$300.
What did you get?
Samsung Galaxy A54. 5 years of guaranteed updates, including 4 Android version updates. 120hz QHD screen. High quality cameras that record on 4K (yay! I can't watch that anywhere because I don't own any 4K screen). Sleek and familiar UI. 25W Fast charging. Seamlessly works with my earphones and Watch. Plays almost all mobile games I could possibly want. Basically it's just “an phone”.
Things it doesn't have:
I still haven't met a task I wanted to do that the phone didn't deliver appropriately. The smoothest and nicer phone I've ever owned.
Oh, and the transfer was super smooth too. I picked up the new phone at the end of a mostly hands free one hour process, and it was like I had just picked the soul of my old phone in a new body. Everything was exactly in the same place that I left it in and 100% functional without any extra setup required. I have seen Apple's transfer and, compared the two, Apple was a pain in the ass and unreliable (several failed tries and the thing only half worked after almost a whole day).
I don’t own an iPhone for the hardware alone. It’s for iOS, which I prefer, the apps, and for the excellent ecosystem. Worth the extra $ to me.
Waiting on replacement batteries to come back. Also 1k is a no way from me.
Would that really help? I remember that each brand had their own custom battery sizes, and it would only sell the remaining stock once the phone was no longer on the store shelf. I only know Nokia had some standard form factor for batteries.
Batteries were phone specific but it wasn't a big problem to find them. I bought several for my Note 3 and it allowed me to use the phone for a long time.
You might like the XCover series then, they still got those
Partly because everybody's finances are stretched pretty thin, but also partly because phones got Good Enough like 6 years ago and so at this point you basically replace one when it breaks and replacement cost exceeds repair costs unless you're an enthusiast who demands the latest and greatest.... which is why the lucrously short support window for security patches on most Android devices is obscene. I know the technical reasons for them, but they're still unacceptable.
finally some positive news.
Mine is 5 years old, a Samsung S9. Other then the shorter battery everything seems to work just fine.
Imagine if you could easily swap a new battery in. Heaven.
Thing is, you used to be able to do that. Then they quetly took that option away.
I paid someone to replace the battery in my Samsung S10E. The battery was never good in that thing to begin with despite all my favorite tech YouTubers saying otherwise. Anywho, I think the repair shop must have gaevin me a bunk battery because it was worse than before. Got a pixel 7 last year. I definitely would have preferred to just be able to swap the battery myself.
I had the same experience. The repair shops use shit batteries
Usually pulled from another phone they practically got for free for parts and gives them great profit margins.
Goodness the S9. If I could turn back time and keep that phone. I ended up "upgrading" to an S20 or 21 and hated every second of my interaction with that phone. I ended up "upgrading" again to the fold just so I could have a physical fingerprint sensor instead of the garbage screen one but now have to deal with bad apps and wonky battery life and no cases.
I really think Samsung peaked at the S7 or S9 both were fantastic phones.
Well.. do we all need to change our perfectly fine, advanced and fast pocket computer every year just to have always the latest -> IMO No.
Good for the environment that it's a bad business year.
Cause they keep making them shittier and shittier. Like I can't replace my battery like a fairphone, replace all the parts, have a microsd slot and fingerprint reader like the older phones. People complaining about size and weight. Check out the Samsung S5, what was fucking wrong with that? Worked fine and waterproof. Fucking bitchasses keep complaining about how it's not possible when it's been done for many years already.
Bad, non-consumer centric marketing forces poor changes. We could invest in all day battery life, or we could make the frame out of titanium. Titanium is easier, so boom, done! Do you want a headphone jack, or do you want a slide in the presentation that says the phone is 0.2mm thinner and 5g lighter? Done! Sleek, elegant, thin, sexy, but no headphone jack.
Nobody makes a phone with the consumer's convenience and experience in mind anymore. They make things without microSD card slots to drive subscriptions to their cloud platform. Instead of selling me a $60 battery I can change myself, they parts lock all pieces of the phone. It's totally anti-consumer, and I don't understand why. If someone released a stylish flagship phone right now with headphones, microSD, good battery life, and snappy performance, they'd trade wireless earbud and cloud platform sales for straight market share. How is that not worth it?
I don't think so, the companies (mostly Apple), are making these changes and twisting them to make it sound presentable, but in reality, they're making it less usable for the consumer unless they pay more money. They continue to do this because people still support it by buying them each year. Plenty of people at my campus are Apple fanboys for life and upgrade to the newest releases each year. When Apple fucks their consumers and their consumers still purchase them, other technology companies follow behind because it's proven success.
When companies fuck you over, don't continue giving them money to fuck you again. This is easier said than done as it's more of a societal shift but let's say everybody holds off, or a good portion hold off and demand that the companies changes things up, then something may be done to get the point across.
This upcoming phone update I'm tempted to buy the fairphone 5 even if theres no upgradable sd slot or headphone jack because it's not like the google pixel will introduce it. I just hope CalyxOS supports it soon.
https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/10489306843409-Install-a-Micro-SD-Card According to their site, you should still be able to upgrade storage space with a micro sd. Another recommendation is that if you do buy a fairphone dont buy the adapter from usb c to aux from them, ive bought 2 from them and they both broke within half a year.
That's all actually very good news. I must've missed that in the specs sheet. I guess the only thing fairphone doesn't have now is a headphone jack. I'm a bit more inclined to buy their products now. Really, the only thing that's holding me back is CalyxOS support. I know it's been supported on the FP4 and I hope it will be available for FP5 soon. I also live in the US of A so that adds additional complications.
The fp5 is looking good finally with an oled screen. That was the only thing keeping me from buying the fp4.
Maybe because the only "innovations" that can be made to the smartphone is new cameras and new form factors, and only one of those is being focused on
I used to buy a new Pixel every year, but for what? Holding out on my 5 while it still works.
Exactly.. I updated after 4 years of using OP7T to S23 only cause the updates ended (and were fcked up), battery (I swapped my for new one but still 5h sot vs 8h sot was really tempting), storage and cause I wanted smaller device.
Otherwise I could use OP7T for another 4 years.. Ok realisticly for 2 at least (cause I'd wanted new device..), but still the performance update is not that much mind blowing..
120hz vs 90hz I can feel, but not groundbreaking, responsivity is a bit faster (0.5 vs 0.3 second is not that groundbreaking either) and camera is the biggest update for me but also nothing revolutionary, definitely evolutionary, but not revolutionary.
The best new thing for me is better customizability of Samsung, which is funny cause that's why I bought OP7T 4 years ago, but Oneplus heavily fcked up.
Since the Pixel 1 I've been buying a new phone every four years. Honestly I prefer it that way. Saves money and the upgrades feel more meaningful. As long as the battery is good, you still get security updates, and the hardware is intact, what is the reason to upgrade beyond being told to consume?
Looking forward to the Pixel 8 next month, since my 4 is actually starting to show it's age.
My 5.. battery is draining faster, apps have to be started, are slow to load. I've done the cache cleanup and everything under the sun. Might see what the 7 costs in a week or two when they announce the 8.. usually previous inventory is marked down.
I miss the formfactor of the 5 so much. Perfect size and symmetrical bezels. The rounded corners were comfortable in the palm.
Thankfully the rounded corners are returning but the phone is still too big IMO. They need to get to at least 6.1".
I have the 6a as I needed to replace the 5 due to a screen issue and it was cheaper to replace the phone than the screen.
I'm just glad pixels have finally been coming around on more updates. I was forced to replace my Pixel 3 if I wanted to use it with the BYOD program at work because it had reached the end of the update cycle, even though it was in fine condition and still met my needs. Now I'm on a Pixel 7, and hopefully I can get the full five years of use from it.
It is amusing how cell phone companies want people to think about their products like a fridge or video game console, yet are shocked when people seem to only want to buy a new one every 5-10 years or more when the old one breaks.
The fact that you think it's normal to change fridges regularly astonishes me
I don't like it, but it is a fairly normal part of the modern world of consumer goods for home appliances to "not be made like they used to."
I just had to replace my clothes dryer. New one is guaranteed for one year. Estimates for the life of the unit is about ten years max. The dryer I replaced was made in 1989.
I had to replace my washer recently. Brand new as of 2019. The price of repair was approximately 500 dollars. A new washer was 700. This is a very frustrating situation.
Are these shocked cell phone companies in the room with us? iPhone sale peaked like three years, Samsung probably close to then as well.
Two cents on the headphone jack issue folks bring up all the time. The convenience of 3.5 mm is great and valid. Totally agree.
However, I use and own a lot of wired higher end headphones and a dongle DAC is just better audio quality than the 3.5mm jack. Let me explain.
3.5mm jacks means the phone's on board DAC is doing the work and outputting an analog stereo signal. You are stuck with whatever, typically sub-par, DAC is built into your phone. Yes, some phones have better DACs than others, but it is a challenge to sort out and is often not a priority for most manufacturers.
With type C dongle you can escape your phone's limitations and use dongles with audio features like fully balanced audio because the signal stays digital from your phone to the dongle. Personally, I'm a fan of 4.4 mm balanced connection, as most of my headphones will run balanced. This is something I could never do with 3.5mm alone.
DDHifi, XDUOO, ifi, etc makes some great 'audiophile' - dumb title but you know what I mean - DACs.
I often don't hear this side of the issue discussed.
The idea with the jack is convenience tho. Including the jack won't take much space and it's just convenient. You wanna take a quick phone call while doing stuff around the house, plug the headphones in and good to go, no worries about battery or connection loss. You still have the type C for the digital audio. A hybrid analog/SPDIF would be even cooler, some laptops and sound cards do it
I don’t get why everything has to be wireless these days. It becomes less convenient when we have yet another device to charge. Heck, remember when removable batteries used to be a convenience feature?
If it had 2 type c ports on the top and bottom I wouldn't mind this. 1 port with a splitter is a nonstarter for me for basic audio and charging
That's a great idea. I don't know of any manufacturers floating this, but I really like the idea of two USB C ports.
Then you could also pretend their eyes and ask how your phones day was.
what dongles do yoy reocmmned and why, link them here
Everyone is poor from inflation and a million different subscription services and smartphone makers haven't done anything new in years so there's no point in getting a new phone unless the old one breaks.
My Samsung phones keep "mysteriously" going to shit after 18 to 22 months so I might try an iPhone when my current one shits the bed. Hopefully they will get their head out of their ass and reduce/remove the cutout.
I recommend the Fairphone 5. 5 year warranty, 10 year software support, and user replaceable parts like the battery.
I really want this phone, but unfortunately I'm in the US
FP4 works just fine in the US btw... perhaps the FP5 will too?
I'll definitely take a look at whatever Fairphone is out when it's time to replace my S23 Ultra.
Just realize that iOS is NOT like Android at all. Some people can’t make the switch. Also, the cut out is not noticeable in daily use. The app I’m using right now isn’t showing it. It’s a non-issue in reality.
Why the fuck would I upgrade my phone every single year? Don’t get me wrong, I love the one I literally just got, but it’s my first upgrade in years. At some point, the question becomes “what the fuck else do you want these things to do”
I used to be excited to upgrade my phone every year because it was during a period of innovation. Now I just have a pay as you go SIM and whenever needed buy a midrange phone outright and use it until it dies.
Honestly, how much better can they get? I love to have the latest gadgets as much as the next guy, but I've got bills and shit too.
Still rocking my Pixel 4a.
I had one of those. Failed in the weirdest way: sound stopped working, even through Bluetooth. From googling, it sound like the bends the phone gets when sitting on it can damage the main board and the connection to the sound chip fails. Was shocked the phone could have a hardware failure of that type. I have learned zero lessons and still keep my phone in my back pocket.
Anyhow, it was a great phone but just a bit too narrow. The keyboard was uncomfortable. I don't need these stupid supertall 20:9 stretched screens, but I need enough width to type. I miss 16:9 phones, my old Moto Z was the comfiest-typing phone screen ever.
That phone is a great size.
There is nothing new and exciting coming out. I remember buying the first smart phone, that was really cool and exiting. Now they are like televisions, nothing exciting about them anymore.
To be fair, there were improvements that legit made the experience much better. Going with your TV example, changes between CRT and LCD is huge.
Nevertheless, there's no reason to but a new one very year.
That switch was more than 10 years ago.
Phones has been fast enough for me without upgrading to new hardware the last few years.
And with a Fairphone, it is actually feasible to repair and change battery once in a while :)
I'm what my friends can a tech enthusiast. The last 3 phones I have had have been sub AU$400 phones and I have been super impressed by them... a little concerned with the privacy and security of OnePlus, realme and now Oppo. But they are fantastic devices. Much better than the HTC and Samsung galaxy I had previously. I also have access to my wife's premium galaxy s20 plus and see zero reason to upgrade.
Good.
My pixel 7 that I currently have will probably be my last $1000 phone, there's no need to upgrade anymore.
My pixel 4a is still fine. I'll want 5G at some point but the coverage isn't there for me to worry about it yet. I don't think there's anything else in the pipeline that I'll care about.
Literally the only reason I'm not still using the 5G variant of the 4a is because I dropped it in a grocery store and rolled an IRL nat 1 (it landed on its corner, went windmilling on the rebound, and struck the edge of a metal shelf in the exact top center of the phone, severing a cable and killing the display AND touch screen). I swapped back to my OG pixel, and the only reason I'm even considering am upgrade now is because its battery is literally starting to die.
I've found I can just wait a couple years and buy them used at a serious discount.
Way better than buying a brand new midrange
Good. Hope we can now focus on market consolidation and get rid of phones as fashion statements.
Uhh no. Now they will very specifically become fashion statements and the constant new iPhone is how the rich and those that care deeply and want to pretend to be rich will show off. That's why they make people care if the chat bubble is the right color or not.
Contract subsidies are kind of coming back in the form of "trade in bill credits.". Previously you'd sign a 2 year contract and they would subsidize your phone, however; I just got $800 of trade in credit at Verizon for a phone they normally give $150 for.
The catch, of course there are many... the bill credits are over 3 years, and in my case fully offset the cost of the monthly phone purchase price; if you leave you need to pay off the remaining balance, and if you upgrade you lose your credits. Also you need to be on an unlimited plus plan.
However; I now have a new phone with no additional monthly payments. The last Samsung I had made it 5 years, and the new one actually has a serviceable battery!
If you break your new phone, you can't fall back to your old one and you will have to pay over MSRP for a replacement if you buy it from your carrier. That's the real reason they want you to trade the old phone. That and to kill the resale market.
I ended up getting the S23 Ultra, (had to come out of pocket a bit), and if you get Samsung's Care+ insurance it's $8 a month, so basically $100 a year if something goes catastrophically wrong. I will probably carry that insurance for the first two years or so of owning the phone. Given I rely upon my phone for a ton of business, my home phone, social communication etc, it seems fairly reasonable as they claim to have 24 hour replacement.
I'm not really surprised, smartphones kinda hit this point of "good enough for most people's purposes" 3-4y ago and short of an actual reason to upgrade like the 4g-5g switchover there isn't a lot of incentive for most people to throw down $400-1k for a new phone every couple of years.
I would have happily kept my OnePlus 7T for a few more years if the network switchover didn't require new hardware.
Personally I don't need a faster smartphone at this point, if anything motivates me to buy a new one it's usually better radios, better battery runtime and better cameras. The rest of the gewgaws don't matter much for daily use.
Agreed
This market stagnation was what got me to buy a Fold. Every 3-5 years of the same size slabs, just imperceptibly "faster". Then came something new finally. Same as my pixel 2xl, I'll have this till the battery or screen starts to go.
Also I would add inflation went up, prices jumped. Meaning not so much free spending cash any more. People might have previously had the cash to update phone, just for sake of update even without it being necessary. Now days? People have way more important things they have to spend more money on.
It seemed the last incentive they were trying to get people to upgrade was throwing as many cameras as possible on the back. Companies need to try and innovate again and the folding screens is at least one way of them trying something new. Prices have also climbed dramatically so I'm not surprised people are bothering to upgrade.
Which phone did you upgrade to? I also have the 7T and quite happy with it except for brightness outdoors
I hit fleaBay and bought a used 9 Pro. All I really wanted out of the upgrade were newer radios (5g + AX wifi) and better cameras. I think I paid around $350, if my track record holds I'll keep it for 2-3 years then do the same again for the same reasons. I've been halfway looking at a 10 Pro/T or an 11 model for better battery runtime (Snapdragon 888 is a bit of a battery hog for the performance) but I don't really have a reason to upgrade yet.
It's more tied to the change of the business model.
Phones used to be subsided by the plan and the 2 year contract lock in, so if you didn't upgrade every cycle you were effectively leaving money on the table.
This is why the market accelerated so quickly compared to any other class of hardware.
As the 2 year contract fell out of favor (thanks largely to T-Mobile), you had 2 year heavily discounted payment plans tied to device trade in that took their place, but these were opt-in as opposed to the previous model which was built in to every contract.
While the economy was strong, the depreciation on your current device and effectively FOMO on maximizing its trade in value kept the system driven at similar numbers.
But as purses have tightened, suddenly the outlay on increasingly expensive devices with lower trade in values for past devices is a racket people are opting out of.
It was never really about features as opposed to status and reup indicators. Most of the rest of the world has more like 3 year phone replacement cycles for the past decade, and have been fine with the same feature parity per model year as US phones.
I'm honestly surprised the 2 year thing kept going as long as it did.
Well.. contract lengths are getting longer, what do they expect?
Also, one phone is very much like another these days. You don't get a lot by upgrading.
I picked up a Pixel 6 for about three hundred. The last phone I had was a Moto One Action. I prefer the Moto for a lot of things but the irony is the final reason I had to get rid of it is the USB-C charging port was fucked. Of course the battery was very crap by then and the screen was cracked to hell too.
I really like that phone though. Lots of functions just by shaking it, like the flashlight came on when I tomahawk chopped it twice. Super handy. If I could have fixed it for a reasonable price I would have.
That USB-C thing made me laugh though. I've had to use iPhones for work a lot, and the one thing I really like was clicking in the lighting port to charge it. Never failed. On more than one android the USB-C gets wonky, where you have to tilt the cable to get the connectors to touch and stuff. Not bad, but not even as good as the old USB mini chargers.
I love Moto actions. The twist for camera, the shake for flashlight are both awesome. Too bad they don't seem to use AMOLED screens anymore. I'm on Pixel 6, but held onto my Moto Z, first Gen, for as long as I could.
My Huawei Mate 10 pro (2017) was the last phone that felt like an upgrade. Everything since then has been better in some respects, worse in others. Just a replacement for a phone that is physically too broken to be used any longer.
I don't think I'll ever spend €1000 or more for a phone anymore, even though I could afford it. I'm just not willing to spend that much money on a phone that offers hardly anything new. Maybe if they finally make a fairphone with a decent camera, I would pay a premium for repairability so I can use it for more than 3 years before it inevitably falls apart...
Phones have provided nothing new in a decade exceot incremental upgrades and foldables are... fragile and expensive
My foldable has been much more robust and drop-resistant than a candy bar ever was.
I'd like netbooks to come back. That was a good idea (and sufficiently popular, and probably slaughtered due to some backstage pressure from Microsoft, cause those were often used with Linux, I even remember that some were sold with Linux).
my samsung has dex mode so I just plug that in to my monitor at work and use it to log in to my VM or just as is if its something that the mobile firefox browser can do. I even got a 70 dollar portable monitor that works great with it for camping trips or something
I use an 11 Macbook air as my casual device and I love it. It's also pre-glass screens so I've dropped it a few times (from a 1-2') and it hasn't shattered. It's using this device which has had me rethink my computer situation.
I've actually considered getting a small 11" netbook, putting Linux on it, and using it wherever a tablet would often be used.
I still have my gaming desktop, but I don't need all that power to play movies on a plane, connect to ODB II, or read woodworking plans in the shop.
They're just called tablets now. My Tab S8 w/ keyboard has pretty much replaced any use I needed for my personal laptop at home
I have the Tab S7 I think. Insanely powerful. Mine didn't have a keyboard though.
Oh yeah, I think I added the keyboard cover as an add-on some samsung store credits I got when I bought the tablet
They look like this https://www.amazon.com/s?k=keyboard+cover+tab+s7&crid=1HDD6CS0HQNH7&sprefix=keyboard+cover+tab+s7%2Caps%2C208&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Netbooks were replaced by ultrabooks. Install Linux on one if you want.
... usually produced by something like Packard Bell, and though cheap, still too expensive for their build quality, and weaker than Raspberry Pi, and with problematic hardware (which matters for Linux use).
Still if not for the latter I'd buy one.
Chromebooks are decent depending on your needs.
We're at a point now where you don't need to upgrade every 6 months or a year. Phones work perfectly fine for 2 to even 5 years now with updates.
Micro updates such as slightly faster processing power or a slightly better camera is not appealing at all.
Foldables is where the next smartphone market is but the technology is way too young and they're mechanically fragile resulting in problems within only months of purchase.
Oh I have a foldable. Also the software sucks and they can't find reasons for the folding at all. Maybe the flip will have a better market but it messes with battery life, antenna signal and more for a product that yells that an app is incompatible or doesn't fit the screen right.
I know I'm in the early adopter tax but I could have actually done without this one as a techie
I've got a foldable and mine works fine, haven't ran into a single app that won't use the larger display. I find it super useful as the display is much easier to read and watch videos on. Zfold3
Occasionally being able to open a document or video on a larger screen is great but I get so many apps yelling at me to shutdown the app before it can load in a different format or bars on the edges open or missing text closed cause the screen is smaller.
Also what's with the home screens being different open or closed?
My home screens are the same it's a setting. What apps yell at you? Still personally have never had this issue
Yeah as a techie, 100% wouldn't recommend. Also they are 5 generations in and nothing really has changed.
Foldable are not fragile in my experience. I've had my Fold for over a year now and I've dropped it many times without issue.
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I have a Samsung note 20. I got it some time in 2021, I think. I only replaced it because my previous Note 20 fell out of it's mount on my motorcycle handlebar on the highway, and while I apparently have international calls, this doesn't mean the phone can be run over by an International.
Before I got the original ill-fated Samsung in 2021, I was using a Moto X4 that I bought in 2017. That one still works, but the battery dies fast, so I use it as a screen for a camera drone.
If I were to go buy the latest Samsung Note, I seriously doubt it would be noticeably better than my Note 20. I normally wouldn't bother to get a phone this nice, but I wanted to treat myself, just once.
Fellow note 20 owner!
I'm honestly gonna use this thing till it's dead,ansd then I'm gonna find something I can root to replace it with
Same. I use it a lot at work and it helps to have somethibg I can scrawl diagrams on.
I'm a stickler for a headphone jack so I just replaced the battery in my 4a instead of buying a new one. Not sure how to proceed with the EOL security updates but Lineage is always an option. If they would just release a phone with a headphone jack I'd have a new phone next week.
I'm using a Samsung Galaxy S10 for over three years now and I don't see a reason why I should get a new one anytime soon.
I miss my Samsung S4 so much. That thing was amazing. It lasted like, 8 years or something, the longest by far of any of my phones.
Oops, theu made last year's phones too good.
Watch the planned obsele
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Something something trust thermocline.
My new motorola has about 2 gigs of bloat that I can't get rid of and I'm sure it's worse on the newer phones.
Fairphone 5, just the basic Gapps (all deactivated), no other bloat.
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Did you get your phone from your carrier? In addition, some brands do that with cheaper phones. Can buy unlocked phones.
Maybe try Google Pixel or iPhones that have terms against pre-installing shit.
Yeah, thanks. It was from my carrier. I think my next phone will be a pixel, and then I'll install my own OS.
Nice. In the rare chance that you haven't heard of GrapheneOS, now you have.
Time to look for the next big thing!
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Canalys has some gruesome new numbers out for the North American smartphone market in Q2 2023, detailing what it's calling the "worst quarterly performance for over a decade."
Only a single company survived this quarter unscathed, and it's actually Google!
The biggest loss on the chart is actually "others," down 43 percent, likely representing the further consolidation of the Android market.
Canalys explains some of this by saying the low-end market "will continue to struggle as prepaid demand dwindles."
Despite the overall losses, Canalys says, "Apple and Samsung boosted their premium segment shipments with 25% and 23% growth respectively in Q2 2023."
Canalys expects a bit of a recovery in 2024, where it's projecting a 3 percent increase.
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I hit my limit with hope much I’m willing to pay for a phone. Unless my contracting work needs the best phone I’ll be capping myself at a price by getting not the latest phone.
I did upgrade my phone this year... to an iPhone 13, which I can pay a few dollars a month to AT&T for. And I only did that because my XR's battery was dying. I would have been fine to keep it indefinitely. I see no good reason to upgrade and really, the only reason I had to was built-in obsolescence. A 5-year-old phone should not have a battery that goes to shit. Maybe 10 years old.
I mean, you could have just paid the $90 to have the battery replaced by Apple with an OEM battery and kept it for another 5 years…
Batteries are consumable items. They go bad. 5 years for a lithium battery that you cycle through at least once a day is good. That’s 1825 charge cycles.
5 years would be fantastic. Mine last 2-3 at the most. People don’t realize how much they use their devices.
Some people Are very heavy users, and as such should expect a little higher maintenance costs.
I had my base iPhone 12 for 3 years and had 88% battery health before I gave it to my dad. I think that’s pretty good, and I used more than one full charge a day. He’ll have it at least another 2 years before needing a battery replacement.
I’ll have my 15 pro for probably 5 years before giving it off to him, though I expect to replace the battery once.
I could have, or I could pay a couple of bucks a month for a new phone and not have to scrounge up $90.
So it wasn’t planned obsolescence then. You just wanted to upgrade rather than replace the battery and keep the phone you say had no reason to upgrade.
I wanted to do what I could afford. Maybe you can afford whatever you like, but I can't.
That’s fine, but a different argument than just saying planned obsolescence.
That's not planned obsolescence. Making lithium batteries that survive thousands of charges is just really, really hard. Physics only allows them to last so long. Five years is pretty good for a phone. Frankly, I think making a rechargeable battery that lasts all day and lasts 10 years in a passively-cooled phone is just impossible with our current technology.
So divert the flow to africa maybe? where they do not have smart phones yet? Oh -- they do not have electricity networks there, so maybe sell them with solar chargers.
you fuck around, you find out
Huh?
It's more so the state of the world. Everything is unbelievably expensive. I'd rather pay my grocery bill and rent than get a new phone.
I'm referring to the mobile companies making more and more expensive phones