The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
Reddit won't actually die, it'll just be a hollow shell of what it once was.
To illustrate my point, Digg still exists.
Have you been to digg recently? It's a buzzfeed clone. Just because the brand is still around doesn't mean it's the same product at all
It's like if I bought Nike and then killed off all their product lines and only sold high viscosity lithium grease. Yeah Nike would be around, but it would be meaningless beyond that
That's what Decoy said.
Reddit won't die, but it will not be what it was.
There’s a big difference between “die” like Facebook where less people are joining and using it, but it still functions as a “keep in touch with your family” site, and “die” like Digg whose community doesn’t exist at all, almost as if it got bought out by another company for the brand name only.
Tell me more about this high viscosity lithium grease
I agree. I don’t think we’re there yet, but next time the they give people another reason to leave the Lemmy/kbin ecosystem will be even more appealing. Simply the app and dev community here is really exploding.
I agree with you. Actually, Lemmy woke me up to how much reddit had already been enshitified. I didn't realize that I had stopped commenting altogether because the subs were so big that either no one saw your stuff, or there was always some one pissed off who felt the need to respond. Lemmy reminds me of reddit the way it was when I joined 12 years ago.
And forget about trying to post articles on any subreddit. Always buried with 0 votes, because some bot network is trying to promote the latest Barbie movie or whatever.
Or subs like gaming having posts with 4 comments and 7,000 up votes "I was recently diagnosed with stage 7 cancer and my dog died, but I created this game as my final contribution to humanity, here's a trailer."
2D Hollow Knight rip off video
Comments:
"Wow amazing graphics!"
"Is it on steam?!"
"Looks amazing!"
"I neeeeeed this!!"
Any attempt to call the ad out is -200
Or the powermod that hates you for unknown reason and will ban you forever. And the shadow bans. I don’t regret that place.
Not sure if you only posted on the mainsubs or what but Reddit really did hit that "hyper specific topic conversation" for me. Like up to the protests I could make a meme about a topic or reply to a post and have good discussions. When I deleted all my posts I deleted some of the top of all time posts off some subs lol.
Lemmy still hasnt hit that for me, I'm another in a swarm of people saying Lemmy doesn't fulfill my topic based sub needs. Like I'm currently obsessed with Marvel Snap and loved the subreddit. The lemmy version is dead af. And I try to converse and interact but none of the lemmy filters for posts seem to show the posts reliably to me and I have to remember to go check it. The Spider-Man PS4 sub was another favorite of mine to interact with and I ended up having to make it for Lemmy and it's got like 80 subscribers and I make a point to comment on every post but it's still not getting much conversation going 😞
It won't die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work... but they won't be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It's a cycle it seems.
It won’t die. It will just hollow out.
The result is still basically the same IMHO. It's like saying "it won't die, it will just turn into a zombie" ... sure it'll still move, but it's dead inside and rotting on the outside either way, devoid of the life and soul it once had.
It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It's just... idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That's all. Life continues here, life continues there
Honestly if all the buttmunches stay there and all the cool people come here, I think that's the ideal scenario.
That title is a bit misleading. Reddit mods might have stopped protesting, but the news of the implosion was quite significant. The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this. I don’t think their IPO is going to be as strong as they had hoped. That financial impact is quite opposite of the victory they claim to have achieved.
Also, the posts on Reddit and the responses have declined in quality in my opinion.
the post quality sincerely feels reminiscent of when I started using reddit a decade ago, might as well be posting rage comics again. so much vile shit is making it to the front page too.
glad I finally got the kick I needed to jump ship, i'm really enjoying what I've seen on lemmy and hexbear
Ah, if that was what you're after, it's too bad you missed the wave of old memes that happened on !memes@lemmy.ml.
oh no, I appreciate the ironic 'wow look at this cringe old posts', I couldn't hack reliving 2013
So what you’re saying is spez will be richer than 80% of people instead of 90%
Actually he will be richer than way more than 90% either way
To be richer than 90% of people you need to have a net worth of $90,000 USD.
Damn. I've got more than that and I sure as hell don't feel like a ten percenter.
Worldwide. So you’re competing with people sewing shoes at 1$ per hour.
That's too high. People are employed for like $4/day basis in some places.
On the bright side, people like him are unlikely to be happy with what they have. He’ll spend the rest of his life dreaming about the billions he ‘lost’, rather than being satisfied with the obscene amount of wealth he already has.
They pissed off a lot of their quality submitters, who either moved somewhere else or decided the hell with it, and they're doing other things now entirely.
When I upped stakes and left, I did indeed up my stakes. I torched all of my posts and comments, which means that, yes, all of my typical reddit bickering is lost to time now. But so is all the specialty knowledge about specific topics I'd put into posts and comments which are now gone from their platform entirely. Outside of the usual cats/porn/vidya/political bickering cycle on reddit, a large portion of what made it valuable to people was (were?) all the niche subs full of knowledgeable people posting information and answering questions about whatever the topic was. The reddit administration didn't just piss off the power mods, it pissed off all the people contributing to those subs as well.
The question is, numbers-wise, how many of us actually left reddit?
I think I won. I found a place I like more than reddit. Maybe we won even. We all got this place right here now. It's nice.
Maybe reddit won. Maybe they wanted to get rid of us and succeeded. Could be easier to milk the platform for shareholders after getting rid of anyone who would protest beforehand.
Maybe it doesn't matter because neither side needs the other anymore. Both sides changed and don't fit back together anymore.
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
I agree. If Reddit won, the victory was pyrrhic if anything. Their whole plan to end 3rd party app support could have been just a small road bump if they had just done it transparently and planned it with reasonably thought out timelines. They instead chose to do a whole front flip over it and get everyone mad, tanking their brand while trying to make it look like nothing happened.
Anyways, congratulations on your victory. Here's your prize: ❤
Ex-Apollo/Reddit 10+ years here. I really can’t understand why they didn’t offer API users the ability to pay for the add-free access they were afforded by their apps (if that’s what it was supposed to be about). Did they really think that they could force people to use the dumpster-fire that is the official Reddit app? ..at the cost of losing a significant, or at least active, percentage of their user base? That’s insane.
I haven’t logged in to my Reddit account since and I no longer visit old.reddit.com.
Appreciate going cold turkey isn’t for everyone, but … fuck it. When social media companies stop allowing you to view their content in the way you enjoy, it should tell you how valued you are by them.
I hope we all win. I miss Reddit. There was a more diverse range of communities that matched my interests. My list is subscribed communities here is growing but some are dead.
That will grow over time and many are. I'm finding there is increasing engagement and comments on many posts and this engagement should breed more engagement.
I think all the mobile apps for lemmy becoming available helps a lot too. Even from several weeks ago the experience is way way better.
Also all of the major instabilities I saw at first are getting worked out very fast
At least personally i have not been on reddit for more than 10 minutes total since the middle of June. I am but one person, but i dont see how they can declare themselves the winners.
They can declare whatever they want. The ex users won't hear or rebut.
They think that the people who are left are more valuable than we were. At least in terms of data collection and ad views, they are probably right.
In the long run, chasing away the power users will probably harm the platform, but it's not immediately clear.
I haven't been back at all.
I still check in on niche reddits but my use dropped by like 95%. Used to reddit for like an hour before bed every single night. Been reading books before bed more since the API changed and it's been super nice!
Yep same here! Still check reddit for certain things but dropped it significantly and started reading again.
I still go to two niche subreddits. And while there go to the country sub for a glance. But even there things have slowed down.
The reddit protest caused thousands of power users and some of the best content creators to leave the site.
The reddit protest caused lemmy to grow exponentially for weeks on end.
The reddit protest caused well known third party app developers to leave reddit and retool for lemmy.
Next time reddit fucks up, and it will, when everyone is over there circlejerking about "well are there any good reddit alternatives?"
The answer will be "there is now, and it's called lemmy." And lemmy will again grow exponentially.
Hardly seems like a win, long term. Sure, reddit beat the remaining mod hold outs. They didn't beat us.
At the beginning I was going to Reddit on and off. Currently, I just stick to Lemmy. Also "Sync for Lemmy" made me incredibly happy.
But in the short term, spaz will have made a killing by selling the company. And in the long term, the investors will be the ones holding the losses as the site haemorrhage users.
They were always going to win. It's their platform. They can do whatever they want. But... They lost my attention and paid subscription. I now only go to Reddit when I'm looking for something I can't find elsewhere. It used to be my favorite platform.
Reddit's main advantage is the historic number of contents and knowledge posted by their users.
It will take decades for this advantage to shift, if even possible, to similar type like Lemmy or other platforms.
This can play out in other ways. Search platforms start indexing open platforms and more links start making reference to these platforms.
Decades? Nah, but years yeah for sure
Same here. Though it hasn't been enjoyable to use since like 2018.
I agree for the most part. Smaller communities were still fun.
Reddit was always going to win that battle. But the fact that Lemmy now has a much larger user base (largely populated by many reddit OGs) is telling. At the very least, the online landscape changed. I for one am happy to be on a new platform away from the old corporate overlords.
Yeah, I don't mind that the majority stays on Reddit. I miss the old, tighter communities and conversations. When you couldn't predict the top 2-3 top level comments because it's not all jokes/memes, all the time.
Lemmy is still young, just needs some time and work to get it's shit together and then it'll be great!
Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn't turn into another escape for CP/Nazi's/random shit groups.
Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn't turn into another escape for CP/Nazi's/random shit groups.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if various extremist groups end up setting up their own lemmy instances. The whole point of the decentralisation is you can't stop them from doing that. I doubt the big instance will connect with those instances though. We might end up with a sort of alternate mini-fediverse for various groups that don't get accepted into the main one.
This is also your solution if main instances start getting too popular and you don't like them anymore. Set up your own instance and disconnect from the rest. The main selling point of lemmy is you always keep some control over the platform.
In late June early July Reddit was awash with people predicting a digg like doom for reddit. I got sick of commenting that 90% of reddit users wouldn't understand what was happening and 99% wouldn't care. Reddit was always going to "win" in that they would carry on, more profitable than before.
I don't know or care whether the reddit "experience" has diminished in either the short or the long term. I expect it has in some way, but it's more like a continuation of a long-standing trajectory.
In any case, as you say, the landscape has changed. Back in April lemmy was more or less non-viable to scratch that thread based news-aggregator itch. That's no longer the case.
To be honest I didn't really care about the API thing because I used the web interface anyway. But the fact that they had this outrage from users and their answer was "LOL who cares" made me leave.
I'm very similar. I actually just used the official app, but just seeing the way they responded made me leave
The fact that spez just bald-faced lied about what was said in his call with the Apollo dev was a huge red flag for me.
Huh, TIL. Never sat right with me as a bearded man, perfectly capable of lying, but makes sense that its meant to convey "without a face cover."
even this tiny civil exchange already makes me happy for jumping the boat. (also was always kinda sad for missing out on the early years of reddit; lemmy have no mo fomo)
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I'm not going back to reddit, there's simply no need.
Exactly. Reddit can suck it.
Sadly, I still have to go back to Reddit since it's the only way to get information for certain niche communities
Why haven't you created those communities here and go post over there that they exist outside Reddit?
Just because you create a niche community in Lemmy, doesn't mean you'll get enough people to help answer your questions. It's hard to get more people into a niche community. And don't forget that most people online are lurkers. Even if a place looks like they have a lot of subscribers, most of them don't actually post/comment.
I think I've skimmed the F1 subreddit like twice since the protests began. I'm done with Reddit. Not just because of RIF but on desktop too. Lemmy gets better every day as well
If Reddit won, why have Lemmy and Kbin's userbases grown so steeply since June? Why has the quality of Reddit's content plummeted terribly? Why is /r/place just one endless ocean of "fuck spez"?
Reddit only "won" in the same way that Florida "won" against illegal immigrants and is now facing a massive workforce shortage in essential industries.
Reddit may not be dead yet, but it's mortally wounded already. It's bleeding out and will be dead in every way that matters soon.
Unfortunately, steeply here doesn't really capture the size disparity between Lemmy and Reddit. Lemmy has 60k active monthly users. Reddit has 450 million active monthly users. We have a looong way to go before we can really compete. But we just have to keep pushing. Now that we exist and have a sustainable userbase, the next time Reddit does something idiotic we'll be here to attract disgruntled users. Something good that we can be doing is showing up to the threads on Reddit about the terrible things Reddit does and advertising Lemmy to people.
I don't think a competition is necessary. I'm more than happy if this place is better than reddit was, even if it never becomes that big. It's the content and the community what makes it good for me, not the ammount of users.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Lemmy is getting bugger than Reddit. I just wanted to point out that Reddit is bleeding a lot of users. And judging by how Reddit's post quality has dropped, it's bleeding the best ones.
To emphasize this discrepancy, based on these numbers, if one tenth of one percent of reddit's monthly active users switched to lemmy, that would represent more than 600% growth in the lemmy userbase. So yeah. Sharp growth here isn't necessarily a sharp decline there.
But if the tiny minority that leaves is the same group that's willing to spend dozens of hours a week for free keeping the site free of spam and hate and keeping forums on topic, that has a pretty outsized impact on the quality of the site moving forward. So the small number isn't to say that reddit wasn't hurt by the exodus. It's just to say that lemmy growth numbers aren't a good indicator of that impact.
When I've checked the front page it's like 15 year humor has taken over. R/unexpected top post was some dumb "NSFW" gif with a breakup and a girl saying how she loved a dude and him saying she didn't give him pussy, "🤦so cringe. All my subs were borked, not worth the effort to rebuild, I'd rather build new in lemmy.
Such a small amount of users on Reddit submit links or comment. The thing that they "won" was splitting a portion of their community of power users who maintain and create the content on their site from the masses who simply consume and doom scroll the main page. I am happy with the type of discussion that is happening on Lemmy, I don't need a post to have 7000 upvotes or a comment to have 1500 votes and a shit load of coins attached to it to make it valuable or interesting.
I was a 100% lurker there and they lost me too. I had no impact on their content but they still lost another person when my 3rd party app stopped working
Yeah exactly like look at this post with 300+ comments on lemmy, once you get past a threshold it's just more noise.
Reddit might have won, but i definitely did too. It made me finally leave Reddit and got me here. And who knows, perhaps one day Reddit will drown in its enshittification enough for it to vanish into nothing but the great history of the internet. Then, at last, we will still be here.
The thing I'll still hop over to reddit for are the smaller niche communities for certain hobbies or even specific products. That's one thing the insane userbase numbers on reddit is good for, these very small niche interests are able to leech off that. In a few of those cases the subs have had Discord servers for a while, which I actually use more than the subreddits even before they made the API changes.
I think over time the reddit experience, for people who actually want to comment and participate, will continue to become more shitty.
Tanked reputation, loyal user base gone like the window, no 3rd party support what so ever and the face of the company making a total ass out of himself. Yeah sure, if you call that a 'win'
They still have a lot of traffic. So yeah, they did win.
But you know who else won? The Fediverse. This place feels really active now and has the added benefit of feeling just a bit more wholesome.
And I'm 100% okay with that, my goal in going here wasn't for reddit to die, it was to have an alternative to reddit. And it's fucking amazing, I've almost completely stopped using Reddit thanks to this amazing place. I only use reddit now for niche subs like my ebikes sub.
Try !micromobility (c/micromobility ?)
Some more niche communities are sorta combined with other ones, but still a reasonable replacement imo.
Winning should not be judged within the span of a single month. Much of Reddit’s power users left, meaning the minority that posts the most content was decimated. Reddit will still have lots of traffic but it means they will decline to something where memes are circulated instead of made, like 9gag. That’s not winning by a lot of metrics.
Between the loss of original content and the genuinely obscure/questionable shit now dominating r/all, I'm pretty sure they've backfilled their DAU losses with bots.
I'd go one step further and allege it's a deliberate scheme, because if repost and content bots are running it's because they have unhindered access to API calls, and that comes from admin. Also, Reddit can actually analyze their traffic and know far better than we can what is likely human and what is likely bot, and use that to try to better hide the authorized bot traffic.
So yeah, they may well have traffic, but I would put money on some unknown yet significant portion of that traffic not being human, as a deliberate strategy to retain advertisers.
Agreed, and Rome wasn't built in a day. Any more crises with any of the major social networks will just continue to build this place up more. I think it's too big now to fade into obscurity and is just going to continue to grow, even if it's not as large as the mainstream stuff.
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Did Digg die in days?
Man...it's been years, so I don't remember, but honestly it felt like it at the time. Everyone hated their massive V4 redesign, so people just...left. The Reddit situation is different, because it only really affected third-party app users, not every single user of the site.
Edit: I looked it up, and yeah, there was a "quit Digg day" on August 30, 2010 when pretty much everybody just left for Reddit and didn't look back. It helped that people actively bombed Digg's front page with links to Reddit that day, letting people know where to go. Two days later Digg's CEO was ousted by the board, two months later they laid off 37% of their staff. They basically died overnight. That's not happening to Reddit.
It's worth noting that Reddit has been around a lot longer than Digg had at the time, and has way more traffic than Digg ever did. Unseating Reddit is going to be a lot harder than quitting Digg was.
reddit will also have subreddits that will be fine with very few power users.
sport and politics/news subs will live for a long time for example, content is generated every day, just need to post it.
For those of us who made the Bigg Digg Exodus, it sure felt like it. Same with those who left reddit when the Apollo dev shed light on the bullshit. It's dead to us who left and will forever only live on for us as an SEO zombie.
I think we all underestimate how much smaller the internet was back then. Flickr, the premier photo sharing site back in the day, was acquired by yahoo for $25MM. Kevin rose of digg was famously on the cover of business week touting a $60MM valuation. In todays big business tech era those are small numbers even factoring for inflation.
Basically back then users were counted in millions and if the let’s say 5-10K power users and a 100k randos moved on that could kill a service. Today Reddit is too big to fail. It would take tens of millions of users in a mass exodus to make a dent.
Look at Twitter right now, which is about the fastest case of enshittification of the modern era. The weird trolls filled the power vacuum that proper power users left and it’s still plugging along. If something like this eventually happens to Reddit it’ll be more like Facebook, a very slow decline but even in its shell state boasting hundreds of millions of users.
I notice no mention of Lemmy userbase expansion...
That's how you know its a paid article.
Because it doesn't matter to reddit. They did the math on how many would leave and how much money they'd make pushing everyone else to their app. They came out on top and will be fine without us
That spreadsheet is how they make all their decisions, including things like "should we platform dangerous misinformation during a pandemic?" or "how many domestic terrorists do we allow per reactionary sub?"
When actual morality is cast aside in order to maximise profits, issues like "disappointing users" don't stand a chance.
But the article has a pretty shallow definition of "won", meaning "they put an end to the protests". Given they have complete control over the platform, that was always going to be the most likely outcome.
The cost of putting down that protest is harder to see from the outside though.
Would they have "won" if they lost half their users in the process? Would they have "won" if the protest wiped millions off their value before their IPO? Have they "won" because they added another straw and the camel is still standing?
But ultimately, who cares what Gizmodos take is? They're a for-profit media company publishing media that looks out for their own interests, which in this case is "it's futile to try and hurt a company's profits", no different to any other neoliberal media empire.
Exactly. Sure, some people left and a few of those migrated here. But as a percentage of overall users of Reddit it just doesn't matter. Personally, I don't care. I am happy here. But there seem to be a lot of people who are still angry at their ex, so to speak. That only leads to bitterness, because the ex has moved on and it turned out you never mattered to them.
You're wrong. Anger doesn't lead to bitterness. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
The user base boost means lemmy will very likely be viable next time there's a major fuck up and people go look for alternatives
If it happens they might start losing speed
Not really sure what Gizmodo thinks that Reddit "won". They damaged their reputation, degraded the quality of their site, popularized competition, and embittered a significant portion of their volunteer labor force.
They won in the fact they passed their shitty policy and killed off third party apps with relatively minimal resistance.
But you're right in that this was always going to damage Reddit in the long run.
And yet, reddit is still being used with pretty much identical traffic to before all of this (the "exodus" is essentially a rounding error when you compare reddit traffic variation to other platforms' traffic variation, a statistical variation that can be ignored), moderators are still moderating, and this entire debacle will be almost entirely forgotten in a few months. Except now they don't have competing phone clients, they can shove their nft crap and ads down redditors' throats, and the IPO won't be affected by this at this rate.
I thought it would be different. I thought there was no way the majority of reddit would find it so hard to leave. It's harder to leave other platforms when they prioritize you connecting with your own peers, but reddit? A news aggregator with comments? People simply didn't care enough to leave.
Platforms don't rise and fall in a single day. Reddit used to be obscure. The fewer people go and make content there and instead just post her, the more Reddit dies through attrition. And as more active users are on Lemmy, the more it grows.
Lemmy has already hit critical mass to sustain itself so from here on out it will only grow. It surpassed the danger zone where engagement wouldn't be enough to bring people back. On top of that, the best lemmy clients already blow Reddit's official client out of the water. Now all that needs to happen is for more communities to grow.
Is there something in particular that makes you think that?
General submissions have tons of comments, so there are actual discussions going on, motivating users to check back often. Also (at least for now), the discussions have less noise.
Content-based subreddits (like instantkarma, holdmyfries) where there is minimal discussion can be easily replicated with a bot, until organic submissions reach a critical mass.
That leaves community based subreddits, but when Reddit aggravates the community leaders they can easily move (like piracy did).
I am eagerly anticipating their article on MySpace.
And to learn whether such articles come about via financial incentives or death threats.
If reddit won, then why am I here?
Reddit doesn't want you and me. They want zombie-scrolling. They want to be TikTok when the TikTok ban comes.
I don't see how reddit "won". They may have gotten their way by raking devs and users over the coals, but they didn't win. They got their way. Now it remains to see if any service will usurp them in the future.
Sure they won. Their calculations were correct. They lost some users, but not enough to hurt them
Do you have actual stats for "not enough to hurt them"?
Because that sounds like something only reddit staff would actually know. It's not like they have a legal obligation to release before and after stats about number of users, average engagement, etc.
They lost users who wanted to talk, now they can optimize their algorithms for users who want to stare at ads.
IMO, Reddit kept the people who didn't care about third party apps or the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media. Everyone who did care, left. And that's not really a victory.
The fact that capitalism looks at it like winning against a customer is just gross.
Reddit kept the people who didn't care about third party apps
Which is important to note is like 90%+ of users, most of whom never participate and just consume content.
I felt many of the protesters had no clue how unpopular (by numbers) 3rd party clients were. The reason they seemed so prevalent in discussions is because reddit users who use 3rd party clients are power users who actually participate versus everyone else who just browses. These protests showed the ugly reality that they were always a small vocal minority.
I left reddit and edited all my comments/posts on principle, but I was never under the illusion that I was part of the majority or that the protests would lead to something.
Of course I hope Lemmy got some nice visibility and that something positive comes out of it, but I'm not clinging onto a pipe dream.
"the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media"
Bingo. From a financial standpoint reddit doesn't care about how it used to be. Being generic social media is worth more money to them
Reddit exists to make money, so they definitely won
That's a long game. There is no way that having viable open-source competitors appear and gain an established user base is a positive outlook for corporate data scraping businesses who need to lure us into their mouse traps. We can expect them to seek "friendly integrations" with fediverse in the future.
I want to thank Spez for screwing up his platform. Reddit became to toxic for me a couple years ago so I took a break. Last summer Zuckerberg gave me a 30 day ban so instead of using a nerfed account I just went back to Reddit instead. So when the protest happened I had no issues with leaving the site.
Lemmy is fire, I'm enjoying this platform much more, every day it gets better.
Leaving/left Facebook for Mastodon back a couple of years ago when the whistle blower revealed their dialing of the "outrage algorithm" and the true width and depth of data capture. This was when (and why) they rebranded to Meta. I've only gotten a few of my FB folks to give Fedi a try, but I'm effing loving it. Lemmy and Mastodon are growing and I am here for it. This is what social media should be and how it should work. I've found so many awesome people through Mastodon I would have never found on FB or Twitter. The cool things I've seen on Lemmy I probably would have never seen on Reddit. I just feel more connected on here than when I was jumping from corporate walled garden to corporate walled garden.
Reddit became too toxic for me around 2014. That's when they started replacing default subs with shit like r/sports, trying to court the most general audience possible, then forcing everyone to exist in the same space and expecting it to go well.
Same thing happened with Digg. Digg went from tech-news to general-news around 2007... 2008 we hit a US election year and the site became a cesspool. The Diggnation Podcast was hosted by the site's founders, they had to talk about the top 10 digg posts each week... they repeatedly had to feign interest in UFO and Ron Paul stories at that point.
Did Spez write this article? Reddit didn't win. Trying to go back there has resulted in literally no answers for anything. It's just shills and that's it. I couldn't get answers to things anymore on some pretty major subreddits. So, glad I'm staying with Lemmy.
Did you read the article though? The title is more of a dark statement on how reddit will always have the final word.
I mean, if they say so...
Meanwhile, I'm just going to have good time here on Lemmy.
And honestly I prefer the lemmy experience which has soo much less toxicity.
I dunno about winning. Lemmy user count is through the roof. And Im one of the people who left when they pulled the API nonsense. The way they gaslit and lied to the Apollo dev was just unacceptable. Couldn't participate there after that.
Same. And I don't like to admit it, but I was a "power user". When Bacon Reader went dark, I never went back. Like others have pointed out, Reddit was always going to "win" the protest, even with over 1800 subs still out. But the platform's frontpage quality is in the tank. Google doesn't want to list Reddit at the top of search results anymore. The corporate failure to retain money making accounts made national news. Huffman completely missed the investment boat, and although the site itself is still generating traffic, the raised interest rates and lack of ROI for the unpopular changes spells out nothing but a slow death rattle.
And, lmao, anyone that publicly announces they're following the "Musk Model" for social media platform leadership is clearly a fucking dipshit doomed to drive their site into the ground.
But most of these are small communities, and today only protesting subreddit with over 10 million subscribers is r/fitness.
Even if those subreddits never reopen, relinquishing the John Oliver rule officially brings the Reddit protests to a close.
These sentenences are literally right after each other. I have no idea how a 10+ million subreddit still protesting and many smaller ones means the protests are "officially over". It's died down quite a bit but that doesn't seem like a state to declare "officially over".
That's media bias, baby!
Lemmy has taken me back to the birth of the Internet and Pirch. But like everything else when the word gets out???
Yeah, Lemmy has the same fundamental flaws that reddit has: it's anonymous, free and it allows bots to post freely. The more popular it becomes, the more it will resemble reddit.
But what can you do? Facebook isn't anonymous, and it's a bigger shithole than reddit. If you made people pay, then you wouldn't get engagement, and in a site like this with such a wide variety of communities, without huge engagement content is sorely lacking. And how will anyone ever be able to control bots after the LLM revolution?
Yeah, Lemmy has the same fundamental flaws that reddit has: it’s anonymous, free and it allows bots to post freely. The more popular it becomes, the more it will resemble reddit.
To a point, perhaps. There's no need for the toxicity to come from both the top down as well as the bottom up like it did with reddit. I can't imagine most lemmy instances hosting r/jailbait, r/fatpeoplehate, or keeping r/the_donald around for years after they helped organize a nazi rally.
I'm reassured by the open hostility toward bigotry I've seen on lemmy. I hope that in particular persists.
I'm firmly of the opinion that any community that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots. Since it is possible to display monstrous inhumanity using only civil language, any moderation policy that focuses heavily on policing language while coddling bigots eventually boils down to a "don't sass the nazis" policy, which was far too common on reddit. I hope lemmy does not go down that road.
I also hope that reddit levels of toxicity are not inevitable for any network with sufficient participation to make it a useful resource for niche subjects.
Imo quality engagement comes from quality moderating. Facebook has a lot of moderators but they don't give a shit about community and their focus is purely monetization. Reddit used to care about community but we know how that went. Lemmy has a chance to get it right. But even if an instance fucks it up the platform is open and gives us options for other communities within the platform.
Reddit won nothing, maybe just didn't lose as hard as we expected, but the site is a cesspool (more than before).
I can see reddit sharing facebook and twitter's fate of a slow painful death
In all honesty, I can't see any negative impact of reddits hostile behavior towards their userbase on me personally. I can fully admit that I was browsing reddit an unhealthy amount of time. As in spending 4-6 hours a day in mindless scrolling paralasis, only to reward myself with a mild chuckle every 500 posts. I mainly used Boost for Reddit which didn't help to combat this behavior with it's user friendliness. The standard reddit app and website are so bad that I cold turkeyed my bad habit and was finally able to break it. I browse Lemmy to a much smaller extend (maybe 1 hour tops) and refuse to install any frontend app, to not fall back into the same hole as with Reddit.
I also don't get the people that complain. You basically got a free get out of jail card for social media addiction, and you try to immediately backpedal to old habits. This also goes for people that desperately want Lemmy to become exactly like Reddit. The reason why Lemmy in it's current state is in my opinion already better, is because there is basically no FoMo. Post hover on the Popular page for days, comment numbers are low, and if you want to engage in an actual conversation, you won't be drowned out by the 2.7K+ tounge in cheek one liner comments because everybody is a comedian on Reddit.
I try to enjoy it while it lasts, because I know its not going to stay like this forever.
you won't be drowned out by the 2.7K+ tounge in cheek one liner comments because everybody is a comedian on Reddit.
But doctor, I am pagliacci.
I just downloaded Sync for Lemmy. Something Reddit doesn't have. Stay winning, though, I guess?
They did not, at least not in my world, I left Reddit because of this and will never go back.
Exactly! I had checked Lemmy half of a year ago when first time found it, and it was empty. Nowadays, I fully switched. I'm not going back to be there.
Nah fuck reddit too, can't have a regular conversation in most subs any more with out some freak being outrageously aggressive.
The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
So say mediocre minds in constant need of a narrative that's final and neat and wrapped in a little bow, all the time.
The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
By some short-term metric here and there, I guess, if you're willing to squint while looking at the panorama. And just how does the hack writer define "winning" - as "not disappearing or sinking into irrelevance overnight"?
Because long-term nobody knows, as places like right here are continuing to develop and grow, are quickly becoming a viable alternative, ever more active, in a positive feedback growth cycle.
So many people said this whole situation wouldn't end Reddit, like the end of Reddit would be some big huge sudden bang when the apps turned off.
They couldn't seem to grasp the idea that it could be the end of the Reddit we knew with a huge injection of new users to potential replacements. Only time will tell.
Long term it gave a kick off boost to many alternatives, one of which is bound to grow viable
The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
So say mediocre minds in constant need of a narrative that's final and neat and wrapped in a little bow, all the time.
The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
By some short-term metric...
Did you intend to quote the same sentence twice?
I did. Because it felt like I was replying to the same statement in two different ways, from two slightly different angles.
They did not win. It’s like Twitter, users stayed and suffered through one poor decision after another. Then, something outlandish would happen and people would migrate to Mastodon in good size numbers. Reddit will do that and Kbin and Lemmy will grow. There are so many cool apps for both. Now when users come over there’s content and various client apps that will make their stay more enjoyable.
There isn't always a victor when there is a loser (and visa versa fwiw). Reddit didn't win here, Redditors lost.
sure they won but i nuked my post history and stopped going in all but a few instances (still checked out a few links when i had to troubleshoot things). i was a regular submitter/commenter/voter. should/will they care? probably not. but i feel better about myself and the situation. so the way i see it, reddit won, the redditors who stayed lost, and everyone who left won.
"and as things on the internet go, the passion for the protest has waned and people’s attention has shifted to other things"
Reddit pruned its userbase: informed and competent users don't align with enshittification path.
We did it Reddit!
But wait, really? It does not sound like a real victory here. Lots of quality mods retired, people left for Lemmy, and F--K SPEZ written all over the r/place?
Is that victory?
people left for Lemmy
Guilty as charged. Haven't used Reddit in months and I've already had hours of free time a week to spend on projects.
We'll see how rich he gets when they go public.
I hope the stock will take a dive in the shit because of all this. Spez is a loser.
Reddit’s valuation is down from $15B when they closed their last round of pre-IPO funding. They were hovering in the $5B neighborhood before the APIpocalypse, and I find it hard to imagine that they’ve gained significant value since then. That’s a loss of 2/3 of the investments from their institutional partners and VCs. I hardly think they’re feeling like they deserve a victory lap.
The only reason why you wouldn’t pull an IPO due to a company’s value cratering by 2/3 is because people are looking to get whatever cash they can out of it before it completely collapses. If reddit were a healthy company, the valuation tanking would never have happened. If they were a survivable company, they would have pulled the IPO and made the organizational and policy changes necessary to restore at least some measure of value.
Spez is Musking the site because, like Musk, he is watching his business crash and burn and he has no idea what to do beyond making people pay him to be allowed to create and moderate content he can then resell.
The effects of the decisions being made will not be immediately obvious, especially when reddit doesn’t publish KPIs that show they’re hemorrhaging value. Twitter is notorious for releasing clutching-at-straws metrics in order to not have to address that the company Elon paid $44B for is now worth about $20B and falling.
Firing the mods and replacing them or bringing them to heel is at best a pyrrhic victory because they have not yet figured out how to stem the bleeding, and spez idolizing Musk’s moves at twitter shouldn’t instill a lot of confidence.
I don’t care, good riddance. Fucking MySpace is still around too, doesn’t mean igaf
Reddit can continue to rot and choke on that CCP dick
Sure, reddit is still standing, but they've been poisoned and will die a slow but certain death. Lemmy however, will survive!
The whole reddit thing aligned with other events in my life that pissed my sensibilities off, even more than i can usually stand, and i have learned to stand alot. It made me realize how much of my life was at the whims of greedy fucks who I don't agree with at all. Evolution through revolution I guess. woke me up in a way, a feeling that I've long forgotten tbh with you all. And that's mostly because of all of you and your ideas.
Lemmy is just good for me.
Those out for self interest are shortsighted, and what WE are doing is pushing in the right direction IMHO. Someone's gotta push and here we are.
Couldn't have said it better. Same feelings here as well.
They always were going to. Redditors have no backbone. Moderators moderate for power trips, which they need subreddits to be open for that. People go back when they want content since Lemmy is still immature to be a full on replacement. Same with the Twitter situation.
The silver lining is that this amount of disdain towards these social medias means it's a better time then ever to push new social media networks. People are eagerly waiting to jump to a viable alternative, so the network issue isn't nearly as big of a deal as it was.
I deleted my 12 year old Reddit account, and I’m here. I still go there, but spend minutes rather that hours. I tried Hacker News, but some posts are really technical. I hope this is a new home.
I didn't delete my account because old reddit is still a thing but yeah, same. I probably spent around 3 hours a day on reddit. Now I'm down to about 20 minutes a week.
Yeah, the only way I end up on Reddit now is through a search engine. I'm not too proud to read an old post but I'm not going to stick around afterward.
Great thing about hacker news is they have actual paid mods that really keep things civil and prevent the forum from turning into a cesspool. Despite people proclaiming "hn is turning into reddit" every once in a while in past 12 years, the mods do a solid job and it hasn't turned into reddit yet. Whenever I visit hacker news there is a chance that I'd learn something new. It's a very valuable resource.
That being said, can't shitpost in hacker news. Posted a joke? RIP.
People expect social media services to die and rise in a day. As much as people like to think that is how it works, it isn't—Reddit itself grew slowly overtime, before absorbing Digg and Lemmy will hopefully do the same. We just have to use it, enjoy it, and recommend it to people. Overtime, it will grow, and we have to hope for the best and spearhead that.
Reddit won the war because your stereotypical Reddit mod is a spineless narcissist who wields their banhammer as a coping mechanism for their real life issues. It's like being an internet caretaker was the only way they could gain any kind of validation.
They could very easily have overwhelmed the site and brought Reddit's admins to their knees had they collectively disabled automoderator, unbanned every user and just refused to enforce any rules (incl sitewide ones.) But the moment Reddit started threatening to demod people, they caved incredibly quickly, or tried to pull off alternative forms of protest to piss off the admins, but not to the point where they'd be immediately demodded and purged, á la AwkwardTheTurtle.
Anyone could have seen this coming from a mile away the moment we started seeing r/pics and r/videos push dumb rule changes like expletives in titles, text only, sexy pics of John Oliver, etc...
Honestly the only good thing that came out of the API protests were iBleeedOrange and AwkwardTheTurtle being permabanned from Reddit, and it's bittersweet that the hill Reddit chose to kill them on was over third-party apps.
Thats how a lot of people, including me, ended up here on Lemmy, so I'm still glad it happened.
Here I feel like im in the early days of the internet again and its great.
Same! It feels like when I first joined Reddit in the early 2010s
Reddit doesn't need to fall for lemmy to be a great plattform.
Why are some here so obsessed with Reddit? I'm not here to constantly read about Reddit! I understand that some of you are seriously upset about what happened and it's okay to vent for some time, but please move on for your own good.
Nah, they didn't win, the results of these protests are going to be felt for a while and have shone a light on federated social media. Organic growth will always trump corporate growth and greed, that's the advantage of the fediverse.
I don't think its as boolean as winning or loosing, i'm enjoying lemmy and haven't used reddit since :)
This article is b*******.
Reddit didn't win, Reddit is a scorched Earth, with most of its useful quality data stripped from it.
I for one didn't know what was going on for about a month, and was wondering why all the good posts were gone, it wasn't until someone explained to me what Reddit was doing and how it would cause the rest of the internet to do the same that I finally understood why everyone trashed Reddit on the way out.
This is like a martial arts movie where the immotal fighter thinks that they've won, but doesn't yet realise that they've been cut in half.
Almost every subreddit folded after the management didnt collapse after a 2 days (!!!) protest, and then just went along with it with gritted teeth like Lemmy isn't a perfectly fine alternative???
I gave up on being a mod when it all started. Not in protest but because i don't give enough of a shit to deal with drama. What amazed me was how fast people folded. While i am on lemmy, all of my Internet existence drops in yhe summer so saying fuck it I won't be on reddit for the next few months wasn't difficult. People must be addicted bad.
Just started using lemmy 30 minutes ago, because i realized reddit had become boring and stale since the protests, i guess they actually did do some damage.
Anyway im here to try out lemmy lets see hoq it goes
I'm not back, I don't miss that place - kbin/lemmy has been awesome and getting better every day.
This place reminds me of Reddit 10+ years ago
That's kinda what happens when you say "we're gonna protest for 2 whole days then go back to normal" lol. All Reddit execs and admins had to do was sit on their hands for 2 days and not say anything.
It's hilarious that whoever came up with the 2 day blackout thing thought that would make any bit of difference.
I said the same thing. Mods kinda showed their hand with the whole "48 hour" thing. What did they expect to happen?
Congrats, Spez. You won the battle but lost the war.
They can’t force me to use that place. calling it a ‘win’ it’s like a dismissive abusive ex saying they won an argument by default if you never talk or see them again. Sounds like the fact they need to make news articles like this is like how MGTOW obsesses talking about how much they are over women still.
read the article, it trashes reddit and says admins declined to comment
Requested my data. Moved here. Deleted reddit. No regrets
I haven't been back to reddit, so they lost one user for sure 👍
Wait till the EU bans them for lack of moderation, Twitter is very close to that achivment and Reddit might follow soon too! ;)
Let them have it. We don't need this place turning into that shit hole, just enjoy what we have here. I swear every 10th post is either bitching about reddit or twitter, just move on.
Maybe months ago, these days not much unless you're in the reddit community of course...
Reddit lost a bunch of third party apps and those apps' userbase
Fuck reddit, let it burn.
I got suspended for some harsh comments about literal Nazis, and then got banned for circumventing the suspension by using an alt account.
I stayed there up until the API changes meant I could no longer browse with RIF, even while being unable to comment or vote.
I finally opted to pull the plug when RIF finally died, and just a taste of their official app was enough for me to know it was time to move on.
Fuck spez, fuck nazis, and fuck money grabbing, nazi loving execs.
I'm only on day 2 of properly using Lemmy and it's already great.
I don't care anymore. I have to thank all those corporate zombies for all the time I'm spending in my workshop making furniture instead of being online . Gotta go now, a kitchen cabinet calls for the final touches.
Idk if this is true. there were fewer posts about voyager 2 on lemmy, but they were more comments on it and it was a better article. I found 2 or 3 posts about it on reddit, but very few comments.
The Reddit protest is over, and Reddit won.
To make an analogy:
A restaurant decides to go vegan because vegetables are cheap, so they can make better profits they believe. (API Price hike)
But obviously now many dishes can't be made. ( Apps for reddit )
So customers protest because they can't get their favorite dishes anymore.
The restaurant doesn't give a shit, and the owner simply walks out to the protesters and say they don't matter, because they will give up anyway.
After enough time passes, people find alternative restaurants nearby but some go vegan, and the protests finally stop.
The now vegan restaurant has "won", or have they?
They now have fewer customers, their reputation has taken a serious hit, and nearby restaurants have become more popular, and the restaurant is less attractive to new customers. So they now make less profits than before, and better profits were the whole point of going vegan!
So unless reddit makes more money or is in a better position to do it in the future, they did not win.
I'm transitioning to lemmy but it's not easy. I can login to my account with an app, but not with any of my desktop browsers. Following users on other instances is unintuitive. Plus there are tons of fake "official" accounts I can't filter away.
I'm on .world and can log in on a browser, I'm also logged in with sync, jerboa, connect and liftoff.
Once you're logged in, blocking users/communities/instances is pretty easy.
Why would you use a link aggregator to follow individual users? That's literally what Mastodon is for, and you should be able to use your Lemmy creds to access it, meaning you have access to it.
Lemmy is finally allowing me to login and comment!
I don't care if reddit wins or loses. I like it better here, and that's what matters.
MySpace, digg, Yahoo, Mapquest, Hotmail, icanhazcheeseburger, Fark…still exist…possibly still make money even. But just because Reddit still has traffic and activism users doesn’t mean it won’t implode at some point. There are users and traffic because of content. Maybe it will go on fine without us but would not be at all surprised if it went downhill significantly in the next few years and the money dries up and people like Steve Huffman will have to get real jobs
Gizmodo's metric for success is that "The last major holdouts in the massive protest against Reddit’s controversial API pricing have relented, abandoning the so-called 'John Oliver rules' which only allowed posts featuring the beloved TV host in certain dissident subreddits."
If you guys wouldn't be mentioning that site all the time I'd totally forget it exists. :)
Thanks for posting that here. I would never have seen it otherwise.
What price victory? They've lost user confidence, they've lost the faith and trust of moderators, they've lost apps which made the site easier to use. Spez has abandoned any credibility he had with users and now just looks like another self-serving tech bro, willing to cut his own mother's throat to raise his company's stock price a half point. Whatever Reddit has "won" was not worth the sacrifice.
I dunno - I'm here and about the only way I've interacted with reddit since they killed RIF is with Hermit using a suspended account (scrolling combatfootage once in a while).
Previously I upvoted and commented? Not anymore. Now I'm not important but I don't imagine I'm completely alone...
Reddit won in the since that Sparta lost. Nobody tells the story like they're LOSERS. Sometimes, being the protagonist in a tale is more important than winning.
That's a criminally LONG read for not even having some updated (July) stats counter numbers.
Show me those, then we're talking 👍🏻
That data isn't available unless Reddit publishes it. Since they're not a public company yet, there is nothing forcing them to do so.
I'm still not using Reddit. Let's hope this at least puts a drop in the user count right before the IPO.
Meh. The ruthless, slimy, and devoid of moral compass always walk away with the most money.
The key here is that they don't walk away with my money.
Who cares about reddit or the people still on there? Afaic, everyone cool has already moved here, and ya'll have already built a beautiful community. Sometimes its not about destroying a corporate website, but the friends we make along the way.
It was always clear Reddit would not change course.
The real question is whether the fediverse found enough room to germinate and if Reddit's days are numbered.
I'm all in on the fediverse.
We got a head start for the future. We got in the lifeboats before the little holes slowly will leak in water so the ship will sink. It takes some time with smal holes 😉
Turns out that information warfare is trivial when you own all the rights and the lights and the locks on your own platform.
Cool story, unfortunately
I'm here and I got infinity, dbzer0 and everything reddit offered me
If they won then why am I here?
Lol… the fact that they are saying they “won”.
I think no one expected Reddit to just fold in a month, if that was their terms for “winning” then… congratulations?
For a social media giant such as Reddit, it takes years to come down, just like it took years to get where it was. However, the seeds are sown, and for every decision that only benefits their pockets and not the user, they creep closer to that reality of their own demise.
It takes a long time for sites to die completely. Livejournal was wildly popular in its day, but after a couple of changes of owners and becoming a Russian government propaganda machine later, it still exists, but despite me being a staunch LJer I don't know anyone who still posts there. Nobody talks about it as anything but in the past tense. In time I expect Reddit to be another internet graveyard.
Unless we can agree on a definition of a victory, it's pointless to say whether they "won". For example as far as the FB users are concerned, FB might have won with Reddit ages ago.
We are here and I don't know about you but I'm glad to be here with you all.
Didn't win me, I'm here now, no signs of leaving, happy to be in the fediverse.Popcorn is my only want for the impending implosion.
And fuck the greedy spez's of the world. Long may they suffer the wrath of the working class.
To be fair, before the reddit crisis I was looking for a decentralised foss alternative but didn't find anything worthwhile. So, imo, the mere fact that this event may have helped put Lemmy in the spotlight and made it grow is in itself the victory to take away from this battle :)
Lol this has just started. Once they IPO and we learn how many tens of millions spez made off mod's unpaid labor, more and more mods (and power users) will wonder why they are doing unpaid work just so spez can get rich.
How many billions did that one company figure they lost on likely market cap? And they want to say they won.
Eh, who knows. You can buy a news story now so we'll never really know much of the truth. I know I haven't been back, and I don't even care about API stuff, I just disliked the way the CEO was so dismissive of what the reader/user base wanted.
At what cost, though?
Yes, I feel long-term damage will be more interesting. If there are viable alternatives, people may migrate over, a large part of the reddit community still knows what happened, and I doubt that with the current CEO that reddit will succeed long-term
Did they lose a chunk of userbase? Not as much as we would have hoped. However, quality != quantity. And, I am willing to bet they lost a more vocal part of their userbase.
In the end, they will prob still push for IPO. In the end Spez will still be swimming in dollars. But, not nearly as many dollars as he could have had....
As a former Reddit user, I'd like to think I traded up to the fediverse.
Of course Reddit won. Not to diminish the efforts of everyone who participated, but all we’re doing here is sowing the seeds for something that might compete one day. There was never a chance of a full platform shift within the set two days of protest or whatever. Give it time, we’ll see Reddit squeeze every penny it can out of its users after IPO. Then, maybe as time goes on people will be looking for other places to go and Lemmy or some other platform will be a more viable option. It took Reddit over a decade to get to where it is, so of course we shouldn’t expect an equal competitor to pop up in a few weeks.
Yeah bruh, Reddit can have the bots and thots. Fuck that noise.
Yeah, Reddit managed to suppress the protests, but saying they won is just not knowing the full story. From Reddit's point of view, this has always been about their IPO, but all this mess did nothing to help with it. In fact, we even got that infamous spez quote saying Reddit isn't profitable, which can only make things worse for them.
When they finally decide to push for their IPO and they aren't unable to provide the profits the investors want, then the enshittification will just accelerate and people will start leaving.
Yup, reddit never cared about the user. They're not a nonprofit. They're a business. So this wasn't a surprise to me.
The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
Reddit won't actually die, it'll just be a hollow shell of what it once was.
To illustrate my point, Digg still exists.
Have you been to digg recently? It's a buzzfeed clone. Just because the brand is still around doesn't mean it's the same product at all
It's like if I bought Nike and then killed off all their product lines and only sold high viscosity lithium grease. Yeah Nike would be around, but it would be meaningless beyond that
That's what Decoy said.
Reddit won't die, but it will not be what it was.
There’s a big difference between “die” like Facebook where less people are joining and using it, but it still functions as a “keep in touch with your family” site, and “die” like Digg whose community doesn’t exist at all, almost as if it got bought out by another company for the brand name only.
Tell me more about this high viscosity lithium grease
Thicc and spicy. Just do it.
I think that's his point.
I agree. I don’t think we’re there yet, but next time the they give people another reason to leave the Lemmy/kbin ecosystem will be even more appealing. Simply the app and dev community here is really exploding.
"I like the way 'namffuH' thinks!"
I agree with you. Actually, Lemmy woke me up to how much reddit had already been enshitified. I didn't realize that I had stopped commenting altogether because the subs were so big that either no one saw your stuff, or there was always some one pissed off who felt the need to respond. Lemmy reminds me of reddit the way it was when I joined 12 years ago.
And forget about trying to post articles on any subreddit. Always buried with 0 votes, because some bot network is trying to promote the latest Barbie movie or whatever.
Or subs like gaming having posts with 4 comments and 7,000 up votes "I was recently diagnosed with stage 7 cancer and my dog died, but I created this game as my final contribution to humanity, here's a trailer."
2D Hollow Knight rip off video
Comments: "Wow amazing graphics!" "Is it on steam?!" "Looks amazing!" "I neeeeeed this!!"
Any attempt to call the ad out is -200
Or the powermod that hates you for unknown reason and will ban you forever. And the shadow bans. I don’t regret that place.
Not sure if you only posted on the mainsubs or what but Reddit really did hit that "hyper specific topic conversation" for me. Like up to the protests I could make a meme about a topic or reply to a post and have good discussions. When I deleted all my posts I deleted some of the top of all time posts off some subs lol.
Lemmy still hasnt hit that for me, I'm another in a swarm of people saying Lemmy doesn't fulfill my topic based sub needs. Like I'm currently obsessed with Marvel Snap and loved the subreddit. The lemmy version is dead af. And I try to converse and interact but none of the lemmy filters for posts seem to show the posts reliably to me and I have to remember to go check it. The Spider-Man PS4 sub was another favorite of mine to interact with and I ended up having to make it for Lemmy and it's got like 80 subscribers and I make a point to comment on every post but it's still not getting much conversation going 😞
It won't die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work... but they won't be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It's a cycle it seems.
The result is still basically the same IMHO. It's like saying "it won't die, it will just turn into a zombie" ... sure it'll still move, but it's dead inside and rotting on the outside either way, devoid of the life and soul it once had.
It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It's just... idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That's all. Life continues here, life continues there
Honestly if all the buttmunches stay there and all the cool people come here, I think that's the ideal scenario.
Yeah, I feel like I hit the jackpot by finding out about the fediverse/non-corporate social media.
There won't be a day when reddit goes away, it will be a gradual decline, digg still exist.
That title is a bit misleading. Reddit mods might have stopped protesting, but the news of the implosion was quite significant. The existence of Lemmy is a testament to this. I don’t think their IPO is going to be as strong as they had hoped. That financial impact is quite opposite of the victory they claim to have achieved.
Also, the posts on Reddit and the responses have declined in quality in my opinion.
the post quality sincerely feels reminiscent of when I started using reddit a decade ago, might as well be posting rage comics again. so much vile shit is making it to the front page too.
glad I finally got the kick I needed to jump ship, i'm really enjoying what I've seen on lemmy and hexbear
Ah, if that was what you're after, it's too bad you missed the wave of old memes that happened on !memes@lemmy.ml.
oh no, I appreciate the ironic 'wow look at this cringe old posts', I couldn't hack reliving 2013
So what you’re saying is spez will be richer than 80% of people instead of 90%
Actually he will be richer than way more than 90% either way
To be richer than 90% of people you need to have a net worth of $90,000 USD.
Damn. I've got more than that and I sure as hell don't feel like a ten percenter.
Worldwide. So you’re competing with people sewing shoes at 1$ per hour.
That's too high. People are employed for like $4/day basis in some places.
On the bright side, people like him are unlikely to be happy with what they have. He’ll spend the rest of his life dreaming about the billions he ‘lost’, rather than being satisfied with the obscene amount of wealth he already has.
They pissed off a lot of their quality submitters, who either moved somewhere else or decided the hell with it, and they're doing other things now entirely.
When I upped stakes and left, I did indeed up my stakes. I torched all of my posts and comments, which means that, yes, all of my typical reddit bickering is lost to time now. But so is all the specialty knowledge about specific topics I'd put into posts and comments which are now gone from their platform entirely. Outside of the usual cats/porn/vidya/political bickering cycle on reddit, a large portion of what made it valuable to people was (were?) all the niche subs full of knowledgeable people posting information and answering questions about whatever the topic was. The reddit administration didn't just piss off the power mods, it pissed off all the people contributing to those subs as well.
The question is, numbers-wise, how many of us actually left reddit?
Couple of hundred thousand maybe
I think I won. I found a place I like more than reddit. Maybe we won even. We all got this place right here now. It's nice.
Maybe reddit won. Maybe they wanted to get rid of us and succeeded. Could be easier to milk the platform for shareholders after getting rid of anyone who would protest beforehand.
Maybe it doesn't matter because neither side needs the other anymore. Both sides changed and don't fit back together anymore.
Certainly declaring a winner in this situation is dumb.
I agree. If Reddit won, the victory was pyrrhic if anything. Their whole plan to end 3rd party app support could have been just a small road bump if they had just done it transparently and planned it with reasonably thought out timelines. They instead chose to do a whole front flip over it and get everyone mad, tanking their brand while trying to make it look like nothing happened.
Anyways, congratulations on your victory. Here's your prize: ❤
Ex-Apollo/Reddit 10+ years here. I really can’t understand why they didn’t offer API users the ability to pay for the add-free access they were afforded by their apps (if that’s what it was supposed to be about). Did they really think that they could force people to use the dumpster-fire that is the official Reddit app? ..at the cost of losing a significant, or at least active, percentage of their user base? That’s insane. I haven’t logged in to my Reddit account since and I no longer visit old.reddit.com. Appreciate going cold turkey isn’t for everyone, but … fuck it. When social media companies stop allowing you to view their content in the way you enjoy, it should tell you how valued you are by them.
I hope we all win. I miss Reddit. There was a more diverse range of communities that matched my interests. My list is subscribed communities here is growing but some are dead.
That will grow over time and many are. I'm finding there is increasing engagement and comments on many posts and this engagement should breed more engagement.
I think all the mobile apps for lemmy becoming available helps a lot too. Even from several weeks ago the experience is way way better.
Also all of the major instabilities I saw at first are getting worked out very fast
I'm seeing the increasing engagement too
At least personally i have not been on reddit for more than 10 minutes total since the middle of June. I am but one person, but i dont see how they can declare themselves the winners.
They can declare whatever they want. The ex users won't hear or rebut.
They think that the people who are left are more valuable than we were. At least in terms of data collection and ad views, they are probably right.
In the long run, chasing away the power users will probably harm the platform, but it's not immediately clear.
I haven't been back at all.
I still check in on niche reddits but my use dropped by like 95%. Used to reddit for like an hour before bed every single night. Been reading books before bed more since the API changed and it's been super nice!
Yep same here! Still check reddit for certain things but dropped it significantly and started reading again.
I still go to two niche subreddits. And while there go to the country sub for a glance. But even there things have slowed down.
The reddit protest caused thousands of power users and some of the best content creators to leave the site.
The reddit protest caused lemmy to grow exponentially for weeks on end.
The reddit protest caused well known third party app developers to leave reddit and retool for lemmy.
Next time reddit fucks up, and it will, when everyone is over there circlejerking about "well are there any good reddit alternatives?"
The answer will be "there is now, and it's called lemmy." And lemmy will again grow exponentially.
Hardly seems like a win, long term. Sure, reddit beat the remaining mod hold outs. They didn't beat us.
At the beginning I was going to Reddit on and off. Currently, I just stick to Lemmy. Also "Sync for Lemmy" made me incredibly happy.
But in the short term, spaz will have made a killing by selling the company. And in the long term, the investors will be the ones holding the losses as the site haemorrhage users.
They were always going to win. It's their platform. They can do whatever they want. But... They lost my attention and paid subscription. I now only go to Reddit when I'm looking for something I can't find elsewhere. It used to be my favorite platform.
Reddit's main advantage is the historic number of contents and knowledge posted by their users.
It will take decades for this advantage to shift, if even possible, to similar type like Lemmy or other platforms.
This can play out in other ways. Search platforms start indexing open platforms and more links start making reference to these platforms.
Decades? Nah, but years yeah for sure
Same here. Though it hasn't been enjoyable to use since like 2018.
I agree for the most part. Smaller communities were still fun.
Reddit was always going to win that battle. But the fact that Lemmy now has a much larger user base (largely populated by many reddit OGs) is telling. At the very least, the online landscape changed. I for one am happy to be on a new platform away from the old corporate overlords.
Yeah, I don't mind that the majority stays on Reddit. I miss the old, tighter communities and conversations. When you couldn't predict the top 2-3 top level comments because it's not all jokes/memes, all the time.
Lemmy is still young, just needs some time and work to get it's shit together and then it'll be great! Honestly, I hope Reddit stays popular so that most people stay there. As long as Lemmy doesn't turn into another escape for CP/Nazi's/random shit groups.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if various extremist groups end up setting up their own lemmy instances. The whole point of the decentralisation is you can't stop them from doing that. I doubt the big instance will connect with those instances though. We might end up with a sort of alternate mini-fediverse for various groups that don't get accepted into the main one.
This is also your solution if main instances start getting too popular and you don't like them anymore. Set up your own instance and disconnect from the rest. The main selling point of lemmy is you always keep some control over the platform.
Dead right, 100% agreed.
In late June early July Reddit was awash with people predicting a digg like doom for reddit. I got sick of commenting that 90% of reddit users wouldn't understand what was happening and 99% wouldn't care. Reddit was always going to "win" in that they would carry on, more profitable than before.
I don't know or care whether the reddit "experience" has diminished in either the short or the long term. I expect it has in some way, but it's more like a continuation of a long-standing trajectory.
In any case, as you say, the landscape has changed. Back in April lemmy was more or less non-viable to scratch that thread based news-aggregator itch. That's no longer the case.
To be honest I didn't really care about the API thing because I used the web interface anyway. But the fact that they had this outrage from users and their answer was "LOL who cares" made me leave.
I'm very similar. I actually just used the official app, but just seeing the way they responded made me leave
The fact that spez just bald-faced lied about what was said in his call with the Apollo dev was a huge red flag for me.
Bold faced*
Doesn't matter*
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/is-that-lie-bald-faced-or-bold-faced-or-barefaced
Huh, TIL. Never sat right with me as a bearded man, perfectly capable of lying, but makes sense that its meant to convey "without a face cover."
even this tiny civil exchange already makes me happy for jumping the boat. (also was always kinda sad for missing out on the early years of reddit; lemmy have no mo fomo)
Bare-arsed*
Bare assed lie... I like it.
I just got tired of being on a site that won't just ban you for saying Nazis should be punched, they'll ban you for calling them mean names.
nazi shouldn't be punch?
I don't think that punch made from nazis would taste very good.
In the light of Twitter shitshow and how one person can ruin a platform it makes sense to look into more decentralized services.
Nah, I won. We won. We found better platforms like Lemmy, Mastodon, and KBin.
I'm not going back to reddit, there's simply no need.
Exactly. Reddit can suck it.
Sadly, I still have to go back to Reddit since it's the only way to get information for certain niche communities
Why haven't you created those communities here and go post over there that they exist outside Reddit?
Just because you create a niche community in Lemmy, doesn't mean you'll get enough people to help answer your questions. It's hard to get more people into a niche community. And don't forget that most people online are lurkers. Even if a place looks like they have a lot of subscribers, most of them don't actually post/comment.
I think I've skimmed the F1 subreddit like twice since the protests began. I'm done with Reddit. Not just because of RIF but on desktop too. Lemmy gets better every day as well
If Reddit won, why have Lemmy and Kbin's userbases grown so steeply since June? Why has the quality of Reddit's content plummeted terribly? Why is /r/place just one endless ocean of "fuck spez"?
Reddit only "won" in the same way that Florida "won" against illegal immigrants and is now facing a massive workforce shortage in essential industries.
Reddit may not be dead yet, but it's mortally wounded already. It's bleeding out and will be dead in every way that matters soon.
Unfortunately, steeply here doesn't really capture the size disparity between Lemmy and Reddit. Lemmy has 60k active monthly users. Reddit has 450 million active monthly users. We have a looong way to go before we can really compete. But we just have to keep pushing. Now that we exist and have a sustainable userbase, the next time Reddit does something idiotic we'll be here to attract disgruntled users. Something good that we can be doing is showing up to the threads on Reddit about the terrible things Reddit does and advertising Lemmy to people.
I don't think a competition is necessary. I'm more than happy if this place is better than reddit was, even if it never becomes that big. It's the content and the community what makes it good for me, not the ammount of users.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Lemmy is getting bugger than Reddit. I just wanted to point out that Reddit is bleeding a lot of users. And judging by how Reddit's post quality has dropped, it's bleeding the best ones.
To emphasize this discrepancy, based on these numbers, if one tenth of one percent of reddit's monthly active users switched to lemmy, that would represent more than 600% growth in the lemmy userbase. So yeah. Sharp growth here isn't necessarily a sharp decline there.
But if the tiny minority that leaves is the same group that's willing to spend dozens of hours a week for free keeping the site free of spam and hate and keeping forums on topic, that has a pretty outsized impact on the quality of the site moving forward. So the small number isn't to say that reddit wasn't hurt by the exodus. It's just to say that lemmy growth numbers aren't a good indicator of that impact.
We lost like 15k active users (of not even 140k) over the last couple weeks alone. I wouldn't call that steeply grown...
Again, I'm not comoparing Lemmy to Reddit. I myself am on Kbin.
Spez used a monkey paw, reddit's gonna last forever just getting more and more useless.
Reddit did way worse than losing and worse than dying directly.
Reddit is dead inside and that's all that matters to me.
The few times I’ve been back since the initial protest I’ve noticed content quality on r/all is considerably worse.
It isn’t dead, but Digg didn’t die overnight either. Reddit is absolutely dying.
Digg*
I was part of the Digg exodus to Reddit, and now I'm here.
When I've checked the front page it's like 15 year humor has taken over. R/unexpected top post was some dumb "NSFW" gif with a breakup and a girl saying how she loved a dude and him saying she didn't give him pussy, "🤦so cringe. All my subs were borked, not worth the effort to rebuild, I'd rather build new in lemmy.
Such a small amount of users on Reddit submit links or comment. The thing that they "won" was splitting a portion of their community of power users who maintain and create the content on their site from the masses who simply consume and doom scroll the main page. I am happy with the type of discussion that is happening on Lemmy, I don't need a post to have 7000 upvotes or a comment to have 1500 votes and a shit load of coins attached to it to make it valuable or interesting.
I was a 100% lurker there and they lost me too. I had no impact on their content but they still lost another person when my 3rd party app stopped working
Yeah exactly like look at this post with 300+ comments on lemmy, once you get past a threshold it's just more noise.
Reddit might have won, but i definitely did too. It made me finally leave Reddit and got me here. And who knows, perhaps one day Reddit will drown in its enshittification enough for it to vanish into nothing but the great history of the internet. Then, at last, we will still be here.
The thing I'll still hop over to reddit for are the smaller niche communities for certain hobbies or even specific products. That's one thing the insane userbase numbers on reddit is good for, these very small niche interests are able to leech off that. In a few of those cases the subs have had Discord servers for a while, which I actually use more than the subreddits even before they made the API changes.
I think over time the reddit experience, for people who actually want to comment and participate, will continue to become more shitty.
Tanked reputation, loyal user base gone like the window, no 3rd party support what so ever and the face of the company making a total ass out of himself. Yeah sure, if you call that a 'win'
They still have a lot of traffic. So yeah, they did win.
But you know who else won? The Fediverse. This place feels really active now and has the added benefit of feeling just a bit more wholesome.
And I'm 100% okay with that, my goal in going here wasn't for reddit to die, it was to have an alternative to reddit. And it's fucking amazing, I've almost completely stopped using Reddit thanks to this amazing place. I only use reddit now for niche subs like my ebikes sub.
Try !micromobility (c/micromobility ?)
Some more niche communities are sorta combined with other ones, but still a reasonable replacement imo.
Winning should not be judged within the span of a single month. Much of Reddit’s power users left, meaning the minority that posts the most content was decimated. Reddit will still have lots of traffic but it means they will decline to something where memes are circulated instead of made, like 9gag. That’s not winning by a lot of metrics.
Between the loss of original content and the genuinely obscure/questionable shit now dominating r/all, I'm pretty sure they've backfilled their DAU losses with bots.
I'd go one step further and allege it's a deliberate scheme, because if repost and content bots are running it's because they have unhindered access to API calls, and that comes from admin. Also, Reddit can actually analyze their traffic and know far better than we can what is likely human and what is likely bot, and use that to try to better hide the authorized bot traffic.
So yeah, they may well have traffic, but I would put money on some unknown yet significant portion of that traffic not being human, as a deliberate strategy to retain advertisers.
Agreed, and Rome wasn't built in a day. Any more crises with any of the major social networks will just continue to build this place up more. I think it's too big now to fade into obscurity and is just going to continue to grow, even if it's not as large as the mainstream stuff.
“‘The Hangover Is Over; Smooth Sailing From Here!’ Declares Habitual Drinker, Popping Open Another Bottle In Celebration”.
Did Digg die in days?
Man...it's been years, so I don't remember, but honestly it felt like it at the time. Everyone hated their massive V4 redesign, so people just...left. The Reddit situation is different, because it only really affected third-party app users, not every single user of the site.
Edit: I looked it up, and yeah, there was a "quit Digg day" on August 30, 2010 when pretty much everybody just left for Reddit and didn't look back. It helped that people actively bombed Digg's front page with links to Reddit that day, letting people know where to go. Two days later Digg's CEO was ousted by the board, two months later they laid off 37% of their staff. They basically died overnight. That's not happening to Reddit.
It's worth noting that Reddit has been around a lot longer than Digg had at the time, and has way more traffic than Digg ever did. Unseating Reddit is going to be a lot harder than quitting Digg was.
reddit will also have subreddits that will be fine with very few power users.
sport and politics/news subs will live for a long time for example, content is generated every day, just need to post it.
For those of us who made the Bigg Digg Exodus, it sure felt like it. Same with those who left reddit when the Apollo dev shed light on the bullshit. It's dead to us who left and will forever only live on for us as an SEO zombie.
I think we all underestimate how much smaller the internet was back then. Flickr, the premier photo sharing site back in the day, was acquired by yahoo for $25MM. Kevin rose of digg was famously on the cover of business week touting a $60MM valuation. In todays big business tech era those are small numbers even factoring for inflation.
Basically back then users were counted in millions and if the let’s say 5-10K power users and a 100k randos moved on that could kill a service. Today Reddit is too big to fail. It would take tens of millions of users in a mass exodus to make a dent.
Look at Twitter right now, which is about the fastest case of enshittification of the modern era. The weird trolls filled the power vacuum that proper power users left and it’s still plugging along. If something like this eventually happens to Reddit it’ll be more like Facebook, a very slow decline but even in its shell state boasting hundreds of millions of users.
I notice no mention of Lemmy userbase expansion...
That's how you know its a paid article.
Because it doesn't matter to reddit. They did the math on how many would leave and how much money they'd make pushing everyone else to their app. They came out on top and will be fine without us
That spreadsheet is how they make all their decisions, including things like "should we platform dangerous misinformation during a pandemic?" or "how many domestic terrorists do we allow per reactionary sub?"
When actual morality is cast aside in order to maximise profits, issues like "disappointing users" don't stand a chance.
But the article has a pretty shallow definition of "won", meaning "they put an end to the protests". Given they have complete control over the platform, that was always going to be the most likely outcome.
The cost of putting down that protest is harder to see from the outside though.
Would they have "won" if they lost half their users in the process? Would they have "won" if the protest wiped millions off their value before their IPO? Have they "won" because they added another straw and the camel is still standing?
But ultimately, who cares what Gizmodos take is? They're a for-profit media company publishing media that looks out for their own interests, which in this case is "it's futile to try and hurt a company's profits", no different to any other neoliberal media empire.
Exactly. Sure, some people left and a few of those migrated here. But as a percentage of overall users of Reddit it just doesn't matter. Personally, I don't care. I am happy here. But there seem to be a lot of people who are still angry at their ex, so to speak. That only leads to bitterness, because the ex has moved on and it turned out you never mattered to them.
You're wrong. Anger doesn't lead to bitterness. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering
The user base boost means lemmy will very likely be viable next time there's a major fuck up and people go look for alternatives
If it happens they might start losing speed
Not really sure what Gizmodo thinks that Reddit "won". They damaged their reputation, degraded the quality of their site, popularized competition, and embittered a significant portion of their volunteer labor force.
They won in the fact they passed their shitty policy and killed off third party apps with relatively minimal resistance.
But you're right in that this was always going to damage Reddit in the long run.
And yet, reddit is still being used with pretty much identical traffic to before all of this (the "exodus" is essentially a rounding error when you compare reddit traffic variation to other platforms' traffic variation, a statistical variation that can be ignored), moderators are still moderating, and this entire debacle will be almost entirely forgotten in a few months. Except now they don't have competing phone clients, they can shove their nft crap and ads down redditors' throats, and the IPO won't be affected by this at this rate.
I thought it would be different. I thought there was no way the majority of reddit would find it so hard to leave. It's harder to leave other platforms when they prioritize you connecting with your own peers, but reddit? A news aggregator with comments? People simply didn't care enough to leave.
LOL, fucking pathetic.
Platforms don't rise and fall in a single day. Reddit used to be obscure. The fewer people go and make content there and instead just post her, the more Reddit dies through attrition. And as more active users are on Lemmy, the more it grows.
Lemmy has already hit critical mass to sustain itself so from here on out it will only grow. It surpassed the danger zone where engagement wouldn't be enough to bring people back. On top of that, the best lemmy clients already blow Reddit's official client out of the water. Now all that needs to happen is for more communities to grow.
Is there something in particular that makes you think that?
General submissions have tons of comments, so there are actual discussions going on, motivating users to check back often. Also (at least for now), the discussions have less noise.
Content-based subreddits (like instantkarma, holdmyfries) where there is minimal discussion can be easily replicated with a bot, until organic submissions reach a critical mass.
That leaves community based subreddits, but when Reddit aggravates the community leaders they can easily move (like piracy did).
I am eagerly anticipating their article on MySpace.
And to learn whether such articles come about via financial incentives or death threats.
If reddit won, then why am I here?
Reddit doesn't want you and me. They want zombie-scrolling. They want to be TikTok when the TikTok ban comes.
I don't see how reddit "won". They may have gotten their way by raking devs and users over the coals, but they didn't win. They got their way. Now it remains to see if any service will usurp them in the future.
Sure they won. Their calculations were correct. They lost some users, but not enough to hurt them
Do you have actual stats for "not enough to hurt them"?
Because that sounds like something only reddit staff would actually know. It's not like they have a legal obligation to release before and after stats about number of users, average engagement, etc.
They lost users who wanted to talk, now they can optimize their algorithms for users who want to stare at ads.
IMO, Reddit kept the people who didn't care about third party apps or the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media. Everyone who did care, left. And that's not really a victory.
The fact that capitalism looks at it like winning against a customer is just gross.
Which is important to note is like 90%+ of users, most of whom never participate and just consume content.
I felt many of the protesters had no clue how unpopular (by numbers) 3rd party clients were. The reason they seemed so prevalent in discussions is because reddit users who use 3rd party clients are power users who actually participate versus everyone else who just browses. These protests showed the ugly reality that they were always a small vocal minority.
I left reddit and edited all my comments/posts on principle, but I was never under the illusion that I was part of the majority or that the protests would lead to something.
Of course I hope Lemmy got some nice visibility and that something positive comes out of it, but I'm not clinging onto a pipe dream.
"the things that made Reddit Reddit years ago, before it turned into generic social media"
Bingo. From a financial standpoint reddit doesn't care about how it used to be. Being generic social media is worth more money to them
Reddit exists to make money, so they definitely won
That's a long game. There is no way that having viable open-source competitors appear and gain an established user base is a positive outlook for corporate data scraping businesses who need to lure us into their mouse traps. We can expect them to seek "friendly integrations" with fediverse in the future.
I want to thank Spez for screwing up his platform. Reddit became to toxic for me a couple years ago so I took a break. Last summer Zuckerberg gave me a 30 day ban so instead of using a nerfed account I just went back to Reddit instead. So when the protest happened I had no issues with leaving the site.
Lemmy is fire, I'm enjoying this platform much more, every day it gets better.
Leaving/left Facebook for Mastodon back a couple of years ago when the whistle blower revealed their dialing of the "outrage algorithm" and the true width and depth of data capture. This was when (and why) they rebranded to Meta. I've only gotten a few of my FB folks to give Fedi a try, but I'm effing loving it. Lemmy and Mastodon are growing and I am here for it. This is what social media should be and how it should work. I've found so many awesome people through Mastodon I would have never found on FB or Twitter. The cool things I've seen on Lemmy I probably would have never seen on Reddit. I just feel more connected on here than when I was jumping from corporate walled garden to corporate walled garden.
Reddit became too toxic for me around 2014. That's when they started replacing default subs with shit like r/sports, trying to court the most general audience possible, then forcing everyone to exist in the same space and expecting it to go well.
Same thing happened with Digg. Digg went from tech-news to general-news around 2007... 2008 we hit a US election year and the site became a cesspool. The Diggnation Podcast was hosted by the site's founders, they had to talk about the top 10 digg posts each week... they repeatedly had to feign interest in UFO and Ron Paul stories at that point.
Did Spez write this article? Reddit didn't win. Trying to go back there has resulted in literally no answers for anything. It's just shills and that's it. I couldn't get answers to things anymore on some pretty major subreddits. So, glad I'm staying with Lemmy.
Did you read the article though? The title is more of a dark statement on how reddit will always have the final word.
I mean, if they say so...
Meanwhile, I'm just going to have good time here on Lemmy.
And honestly I prefer the lemmy experience which has soo much less toxicity.
Bullshit. This is a biased article.
As a other person commented, I won. No need for reddit at this point.
And user name checks out.
Their goal wasn't to win you over. It was to create a loyal user base of ad consumers and they succeeded at that
I also succeeded at finding a platform to consume content that isn't ad riddled. Yet.
I dunno about winning. Lemmy user count is through the roof. And Im one of the people who left when they pulled the API nonsense. The way they gaslit and lied to the Apollo dev was just unacceptable. Couldn't participate there after that.
Same. And I don't like to admit it, but I was a "power user". When Bacon Reader went dark, I never went back. Like others have pointed out, Reddit was always going to "win" the protest, even with over 1800 subs still out. But the platform's frontpage quality is in the tank. Google doesn't want to list Reddit at the top of search results anymore. The corporate failure to retain money making accounts made national news. Huffman completely missed the investment boat, and although the site itself is still generating traffic, the raised interest rates and lack of ROI for the unpopular changes spells out nothing but a slow death rattle.
And, lmao, anyone that publicly announces they're following the "Musk Model" for social media platform leadership is clearly a fucking dipshit doomed to drive their site into the ground.
These sentenences are literally right after each other. I have no idea how a 10+ million subreddit still protesting and many smaller ones means the protests are "officially over". It's died down quite a bit but that doesn't seem like a state to declare "officially over".
That's media bias, baby!
Lemmy has taken me back to the birth of the Internet and Pirch. But like everything else when the word gets out???
Yeah, Lemmy has the same fundamental flaws that reddit has: it's anonymous, free and it allows bots to post freely. The more popular it becomes, the more it will resemble reddit.
But what can you do? Facebook isn't anonymous, and it's a bigger shithole than reddit. If you made people pay, then you wouldn't get engagement, and in a site like this with such a wide variety of communities, without huge engagement content is sorely lacking. And how will anyone ever be able to control bots after the LLM revolution?
To a point, perhaps. There's no need for the toxicity to come from both the top down as well as the bottom up like it did with reddit. I can't imagine most lemmy instances hosting r/jailbait, r/fatpeoplehate, or keeping r/the_donald around for years after they helped organize a nazi rally.
I'm reassured by the open hostility toward bigotry I've seen on lemmy. I hope that in particular persists.
I'm firmly of the opinion that any community that welcomes bigots is truly welcoming only to bigots. Since it is possible to display monstrous inhumanity using only civil language, any moderation policy that focuses heavily on policing language while coddling bigots eventually boils down to a "don't sass the nazis" policy, which was far too common on reddit. I hope lemmy does not go down that road.
I also hope that reddit levels of toxicity are not inevitable for any network with sufficient participation to make it a useful resource for niche subjects.
Imo quality engagement comes from quality moderating. Facebook has a lot of moderators but they don't give a shit about community and their focus is purely monetization. Reddit used to care about community but we know how that went. Lemmy has a chance to get it right. But even if an instance fucks it up the platform is open and gives us options for other communities within the platform.
Reddit won nothing, maybe just didn't lose as hard as we expected, but the site is a cesspool (more than before).
I can see reddit sharing facebook and twitter's fate of a slow painful death
In all honesty, I can't see any negative impact of reddits hostile behavior towards their userbase on me personally. I can fully admit that I was browsing reddit an unhealthy amount of time. As in spending 4-6 hours a day in mindless scrolling paralasis, only to reward myself with a mild chuckle every 500 posts. I mainly used Boost for Reddit which didn't help to combat this behavior with it's user friendliness. The standard reddit app and website are so bad that I cold turkeyed my bad habit and was finally able to break it. I browse Lemmy to a much smaller extend (maybe 1 hour tops) and refuse to install any frontend app, to not fall back into the same hole as with Reddit.
I also don't get the people that complain. You basically got a free get out of jail card for social media addiction, and you try to immediately backpedal to old habits. This also goes for people that desperately want Lemmy to become exactly like Reddit. The reason why Lemmy in it's current state is in my opinion already better, is because there is basically no FoMo. Post hover on the Popular page for days, comment numbers are low, and if you want to engage in an actual conversation, you won't be drowned out by the 2.7K+ tounge in cheek one liner comments because everybody is a comedian on Reddit.
I try to enjoy it while it lasts, because I know its not going to stay like this forever.
But doctor, I am pagliacci.
I just downloaded Sync for Lemmy. Something Reddit doesn't have. Stay winning, though, I guess?
They did not, at least not in my world, I left Reddit because of this and will never go back.
Exactly! I had checked Lemmy half of a year ago when first time found it, and it was empty. Nowadays, I fully switched. I'm not going back to be there.
Cool they won. Can we stop posting about Reddit constantly now? It would be cool if we could just move on already.
This is a community about Reddit...
you're in the fucking reddit community... just unsubscribe...
I too hate it when community focused on Topic won't shut up about Topic.
Fuck Reddit.
Nah, Reddit was kinda cool. Fuck u/spez instead.
Nah fuck reddit too, can't have a regular conversation in most subs any more with out some freak being outrageously aggressive.
So say mediocre minds in constant need of a narrative that's final and neat and wrapped in a little bow, all the time.
By some short-term metric here and there, I guess, if you're willing to squint while looking at the panorama. And just how does the
hackwriter define "winning" - as "not disappearing or sinking into irrelevance overnight"?Because long-term nobody knows, as places like right here are continuing to develop and grow, are quickly becoming a viable alternative, ever more active, in a positive feedback growth cycle.
So many people said this whole situation wouldn't end Reddit, like the end of Reddit would be some big huge sudden bang when the apps turned off.
They couldn't seem to grasp the idea that it could be the end of the Reddit we knew with a huge injection of new users to potential replacements. Only time will tell.
Long term it gave a kick off boost to many alternatives, one of which is bound to grow viable
Did you intend to quote the same sentence twice?
I did. Because it felt like I was replying to the same statement in two different ways, from two slightly different angles.
Fair enough.
They did not win. It’s like Twitter, users stayed and suffered through one poor decision after another. Then, something outlandish would happen and people would migrate to Mastodon in good size numbers. Reddit will do that and Kbin and Lemmy will grow. There are so many cool apps for both. Now when users come over there’s content and various client apps that will make their stay more enjoyable.
There isn't always a victor when there is a loser (and visa versa fwiw). Reddit didn't win here, Redditors lost.
sure they won but i nuked my post history and stopped going in all but a few instances (still checked out a few links when i had to troubleshoot things). i was a regular submitter/commenter/voter. should/will they care? probably not. but i feel better about myself and the situation. so the way i see it, reddit won, the redditors who stayed lost, and everyone who left won.
"and as things on the internet go, the passion for the protest has waned and people’s attention has shifted to other things"
Reddit pruned its userbase: informed and competent users don't align with enshittification path.
We did it Reddit!
But wait, really? It does not sound like a real victory here. Lots of quality mods retired, people left for Lemmy, and F--K SPEZ written all over the r/place?
Is that victory?
Guilty as charged. Haven't used Reddit in months and I've already had hours of free time a week to spend on projects.
We'll see how rich he gets when they go public.
I hope the stock will take a dive in the shit because of all this. Spez is a loser.
Reddit’s valuation is down from $15B when they closed their last round of pre-IPO funding. They were hovering in the $5B neighborhood before the APIpocalypse, and I find it hard to imagine that they’ve gained significant value since then. That’s a loss of 2/3 of the investments from their institutional partners and VCs. I hardly think they’re feeling like they deserve a victory lap.
The only reason why you wouldn’t pull an IPO due to a company’s value cratering by 2/3 is because people are looking to get whatever cash they can out of it before it completely collapses. If reddit were a healthy company, the valuation tanking would never have happened. If they were a survivable company, they would have pulled the IPO and made the organizational and policy changes necessary to restore at least some measure of value.
Spez is Musking the site because, like Musk, he is watching his business crash and burn and he has no idea what to do beyond making people pay him to be allowed to create and moderate content he can then resell.
The effects of the decisions being made will not be immediately obvious, especially when reddit doesn’t publish KPIs that show they’re hemorrhaging value. Twitter is notorious for releasing clutching-at-straws metrics in order to not have to address that the company Elon paid $44B for is now worth about $20B and falling.
Firing the mods and replacing them or bringing them to heel is at best a pyrrhic victory because they have not yet figured out how to stem the bleeding, and spez idolizing Musk’s moves at twitter shouldn’t instill a lot of confidence.
I don’t care, good riddance. Fucking MySpace is still around too, doesn’t mean igaf
Reddit can continue to rot and choke on that CCP dick
Sure, reddit is still standing, but they've been poisoned and will die a slow but certain death. Lemmy however, will survive!
The whole reddit thing aligned with other events in my life that pissed my sensibilities off, even more than i can usually stand, and i have learned to stand alot. It made me realize how much of my life was at the whims of greedy fucks who I don't agree with at all. Evolution through revolution I guess. woke me up in a way, a feeling that I've long forgotten tbh with you all. And that's mostly because of all of you and your ideas.
Lemmy is just good for me.
Those out for self interest are shortsighted, and what WE are doing is pushing in the right direction IMHO. Someone's gotta push and here we are.
Couldn't have said it better. Same feelings here as well.
They always were going to. Redditors have no backbone. Moderators moderate for power trips, which they need subreddits to be open for that. People go back when they want content since Lemmy is still immature to be a full on replacement. Same with the Twitter situation.
The silver lining is that this amount of disdain towards these social medias means it's a better time then ever to push new social media networks. People are eagerly waiting to jump to a viable alternative, so the network issue isn't nearly as big of a deal as it was.
I deleted my 12 year old Reddit account, and I’m here. I still go there, but spend minutes rather that hours. I tried Hacker News, but some posts are really technical. I hope this is a new home.
I didn't delete my account because old reddit is still a thing but yeah, same. I probably spent around 3 hours a day on reddit. Now I'm down to about 20 minutes a week.
Yeah, the only way I end up on Reddit now is through a search engine. I'm not too proud to read an old post but I'm not going to stick around afterward.
Great thing about hacker news is they have actual paid mods that really keep things civil and prevent the forum from turning into a cesspool. Despite people proclaiming "hn is turning into reddit" every once in a while in past 12 years, the mods do a solid job and it hasn't turned into reddit yet. Whenever I visit hacker news there is a chance that I'd learn something new. It's a very valuable resource.
That being said, can't shitpost in hacker news. Posted a joke? RIP.
People expect social media services to die and rise in a day. As much as people like to think that is how it works, it isn't—Reddit itself grew slowly overtime, before absorbing Digg and Lemmy will hopefully do the same. We just have to use it, enjoy it, and recommend it to people. Overtime, it will grow, and we have to hope for the best and spearhead that.
Reddit won the war because your stereotypical Reddit mod is a spineless narcissist who wields their banhammer as a coping mechanism for their real life issues. It's like being an internet caretaker was the only way they could gain any kind of validation.
They could very easily have overwhelmed the site and brought Reddit's admins to their knees had they collectively disabled automoderator, unbanned every user and just refused to enforce any rules (incl sitewide ones.) But the moment Reddit started threatening to demod people, they caved incredibly quickly, or tried to pull off alternative forms of protest to piss off the admins, but not to the point where they'd be immediately demodded and purged, á la AwkwardTheTurtle.
Anyone could have seen this coming from a mile away the moment we started seeing r/pics and r/videos push dumb rule changes like expletives in titles, text only, sexy pics of John Oliver, etc...
Honestly the only good thing that came out of the API protests were iBleeedOrange and AwkwardTheTurtle being permabanned from Reddit, and it's bittersweet that the hill Reddit chose to kill them on was over third-party apps.
Thats how a lot of people, including me, ended up here on Lemmy, so I'm still glad it happened. Here I feel like im in the early days of the internet again and its great.
Same! It feels like when I first joined Reddit in the early 2010s
And Russia won the war in Ukraine and Donald Trump won the election in 2020.
Reddit doesn't need to fall for lemmy to be a great plattform.
Why are some here so obsessed with Reddit? I'm not here to constantly read about Reddit! I understand that some of you are seriously upset about what happened and it's okay to vent for some time, but please move on for your own good.
This is "reddit@lemmy.world" community thou.
Fuck spez.
I'm not going back
Nah, they didn't win, the results of these protests are going to be felt for a while and have shone a light on federated social media. Organic growth will always trump corporate growth and greed, that's the advantage of the fediverse.
I don't think its as boolean as winning or loosing, i'm enjoying lemmy and haven't used reddit since :)
Don't care. I <3 Lemmy. Community's great. If I could filter out Reddit posts here I would, including this one.
You can if you use apps.like Connect. There are keyword filters. So helpful!
Luckily the reddit posts have died down. Now it's all just FOSS bullshit. People gotta have something to obsess over.
I have a userscript for this purpose:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/471718-lemmy-post-keyword-filter
And yet I'm here. They lost.
Reddit is dead in my eyes. Fuck em.
This article is b*******. Reddit didn't win, Reddit is a scorched Earth, with most of its useful quality data stripped from it. I for one didn't know what was going on for about a month, and was wondering why all the good posts were gone, it wasn't until someone explained to me what Reddit was doing and how it would cause the rest of the internet to do the same that I finally understood why everyone trashed Reddit on the way out.
This is like a martial arts movie where the immotal fighter thinks that they've won, but doesn't yet realise that they've been cut in half.
Almost every subreddit folded after the management didnt collapse after a 2 days (!!!) protest, and then just went along with it with gritted teeth like Lemmy isn't a perfectly fine alternative???
I gave up on being a mod when it all started. Not in protest but because i don't give enough of a shit to deal with drama. What amazed me was how fast people folded. While i am on lemmy, all of my Internet existence drops in yhe summer so saying fuck it I won't be on reddit for the next few months wasn't difficult. People must be addicted bad.
Just started using lemmy 30 minutes ago, because i realized reddit had become boring and stale since the protests, i guess they actually did do some damage.
Anyway im here to try out lemmy lets see hoq it goes
I'm not back, I don't miss that place - kbin/lemmy has been awesome and getting better every day.
This place reminds me of Reddit 10+ years ago
That's kinda what happens when you say "we're gonna protest for 2 whole days then go back to normal" lol. All Reddit execs and admins had to do was sit on their hands for 2 days and not say anything.
It's hilarious that whoever came up with the 2 day blackout thing thought that would make any bit of difference.
I said the same thing. Mods kinda showed their hand with the whole "48 hour" thing. What did they expect to happen?
Congrats, Spez. You won the battle but lost the war.
They can’t force me to use that place. calling it a ‘win’ it’s like a dismissive abusive ex saying they won an argument by default if you never talk or see them again. Sounds like the fact they need to make news articles like this is like how MGTOW obsesses talking about how much they are over women still.
read the article, it trashes reddit and says admins declined to comment
Requested my data. Moved here. Deleted reddit. No regrets
We will see.
Screw Reddit, i`m happy to be here!
I haven't been back to reddit, so they lost one user for sure 👍
Wait till the EU bans them for lack of moderation, Twitter is very close to that achivment and Reddit might follow soon too! ;)
Let them have it. We don't need this place turning into that shit hole, just enjoy what we have here. I swear every 10th post is either bitching about reddit or twitter, just move on.
Maybe months ago, these days not much unless you're in the reddit community of course...
Reddit lost a bunch of third party apps and those apps' userbase
Fuck reddit, let it burn.
I got suspended for some harsh comments about literal Nazis, and then got banned for circumventing the suspension by using an alt account.
I stayed there up until the API changes meant I could no longer browse with RIF, even while being unable to comment or vote.
I finally opted to pull the plug when RIF finally died, and just a taste of their official app was enough for me to know it was time to move on.
Fuck spez, fuck nazis, and fuck money grabbing, nazi loving execs.
I'm only on day 2 of properly using Lemmy and it's already great.
I don't care anymore. I have to thank all those corporate zombies for all the time I'm spending in my workshop making furniture instead of being online . Gotta go now, a kitchen cabinet calls for the final touches.
Lemmy won, because Lemmy users numbered in the hundreds before the fiasco. The software is now growing by leaps and bounds.
Reddit may have won the battle, but not the war, and certainly not without casualties.
What's weird is I now share my time between here and Reddit for my niche subs.
I'm accessing Reddit through a patched 3rd party app and not really commenting or interacting with it as much.
Maybe I'm representative of a few people that have done the same but I have a feeling there are more to follow.
Not sure how that's a victory for Reddit from my POV.
We all knew how it would end, but it’s still sad to see this outcome
And remember, spez will always be this spoiled entitled hurensohn and perv.
No Empire lasts forever.
Shit, I knew reddit won when I looked up the porn forums on Lemmy, and the subs measured in the low hundreds lol!
Idk if this is true. there were fewer posts about voyager 2 on lemmy, but they were more comments on it and it was a better article. I found 2 or 3 posts about it on reddit, but very few comments.
To make an analogy:
A restaurant decides to go vegan because vegetables are cheap, so they can make better profits they believe. (API Price hike)
But obviously now many dishes can't be made. ( Apps for reddit )
So customers protest because they can't get their favorite dishes anymore. The restaurant doesn't give a shit, and the owner simply walks out to the protesters and say they don't matter, because they will give up anyway.
After enough time passes, people find alternative restaurants nearby but some go vegan, and the protests finally stop. The now vegan restaurant has "won", or have they?
They now have fewer customers, their reputation has taken a serious hit, and nearby restaurants have become more popular, and the restaurant is less attractive to new customers. So they now make less profits than before, and better profits were the whole point of going vegan!
So unless reddit makes more money or is in a better position to do it in the future, they did not win.
I think Lemmy won a bit too.
I'm transitioning to lemmy but it's not easy. I can login to my account with an app, but not with any of my desktop browsers. Following users on other instances is unintuitive. Plus there are tons of fake "official" accounts I can't filter away.
I'm on .world and can log in on a browser, I'm also logged in with sync, jerboa, connect and liftoff.
Once you're logged in, blocking users/communities/instances is pretty easy.
Why would you use a link aggregator to follow individual users? That's literally what Mastodon is for, and you should be able to use your Lemmy creds to access it, meaning you have access to it.
Lemmy is finally allowing me to login and comment!
I don't care if reddit wins or loses. I like it better here, and that's what matters.
MySpace, digg, Yahoo, Mapquest, Hotmail, icanhazcheeseburger, Fark…still exist…possibly still make money even. But just because Reddit still has traffic and activism users doesn’t mean it won’t implode at some point. There are users and traffic because of content. Maybe it will go on fine without us but would not be at all surprised if it went downhill significantly in the next few years and the money dries up and people like Steve Huffman will have to get real jobs
Gizmodo's metric for success is that "The last major holdouts in the massive protest against Reddit’s controversial API pricing have relented, abandoning the so-called 'John Oliver rules' which only allowed posts featuring the beloved TV host in certain dissident subreddits."
This doesn't seem like a good metric to me. I'd like to see monthly revenue and traffic. I'm sure we're not going to see revenue, and the sites I found that report traffic are conflicting. One shows a clear decline (https://www.similarweb.com/website/reddit.com/#traffic) and the other shows a clear increase (https://ahrefs.com/traffic-checker).
I'm not there, they no longer exist
Not their what?
If you guys wouldn't be mentioning that site all the time I'd totally forget it exists. :)
Thanks for posting that here. I would never have seen it otherwise.
What price victory? They've lost user confidence, they've lost the faith and trust of moderators, they've lost apps which made the site easier to use. Spez has abandoned any credibility he had with users and now just looks like another self-serving tech bro, willing to cut his own mother's throat to raise his company's stock price a half point. Whatever Reddit has "won" was not worth the sacrifice.
I dunno - I'm here and about the only way I've interacted with reddit since they killed RIF is with Hermit using a suspended account (scrolling combatfootage once in a while).
Previously I upvoted and commented? Not anymore. Now I'm not important but I don't imagine I'm completely alone...
Reddit won in the since that Sparta lost. Nobody tells the story like they're LOSERS. Sometimes, being the protagonist in a tale is more important than winning.
That's a criminally LONG read for not even having some updated (July) stats counter numbers.
Show me those, then we're talking 👍🏻
That data isn't available unless Reddit publishes it. Since they're not a public company yet, there is nothing forcing them to do so.
I'm still not using Reddit. Let's hope this at least puts a drop in the user count right before the IPO.
Meh. The ruthless, slimy, and devoid of moral compass always walk away with the most money.
The key here is that they don't walk away with my money.
Who cares about reddit or the people still on there? Afaic, everyone cool has already moved here, and ya'll have already built a beautiful community. Sometimes its not about destroying a corporate website, but the friends we make along the way.
It was always clear Reddit would not change course.
The real question is whether the fediverse found enough room to germinate and if Reddit's days are numbered.
I'm all in on the fediverse.
We got a head start for the future. We got in the lifeboats before the little holes slowly will leak in water so the ship will sink. It takes some time with smal holes 😉
Turns out that information warfare is trivial when you own all the rights and the lights and the locks on your own platform.
Cool story, unfortunately
I'm here and I got infinity, dbzer0 and everything reddit offered me
If they won then why am I here?
Lol… the fact that they are saying they “won”.
I think no one expected Reddit to just fold in a month, if that was their terms for “winning” then… congratulations?
For a social media giant such as Reddit, it takes years to come down, just like it took years to get where it was. However, the seeds are sown, and for every decision that only benefits their pockets and not the user, they creep closer to that reality of their own demise.
It takes a long time for sites to die completely. Livejournal was wildly popular in its day, but after a couple of changes of owners and becoming a Russian government propaganda machine later, it still exists, but despite me being a staunch LJer I don't know anyone who still posts there. Nobody talks about it as anything but in the past tense. In time I expect Reddit to be another internet graveyard.
Unless we can agree on a definition of a victory, it's pointless to say whether they "won". For example as far as the FB users are concerned, FB might have won with Reddit ages ago.
We are here and I don't know about you but I'm glad to be here with you all.
Didn't win me, I'm here now, no signs of leaving, happy to be in the fediverse.Popcorn is my only want for the impending implosion.
And fuck the greedy spez's of the world. Long may they suffer the wrath of the working class.
To be fair, before the reddit crisis I was looking for a decentralised foss alternative but didn't find anything worthwhile. So, imo, the mere fact that this event may have helped put Lemmy in the spotlight and made it grow is in itself the victory to take away from this battle :)
Lol this has just started. Once they IPO and we learn how many tens of millions spez made off mod's unpaid labor, more and more mods (and power users) will wonder why they are doing unpaid work just so spez can get rich.
How many billions did that one company figure they lost on likely market cap? And they want to say they won.
Eh, who knows. You can buy a news story now so we'll never really know much of the truth. I know I haven't been back, and I don't even care about API stuff, I just disliked the way the CEO was so dismissive of what the reader/user base wanted.
At what cost, though?
Yes, I feel long-term damage will be more interesting. If there are viable alternatives, people may migrate over, a large part of the reddit community still knows what happened, and I doubt that with the current CEO that reddit will succeed long-term
The “win” is it will turn into a right wing echo chamber shit show.
Not sure they have. No traffic stats yet on July which was when the API changes took effect
With all the extra free time I've got from not doom scrolling Reddit, I think I'm actually the winner here, cheers spez
Yea... won is a matter of opinion.
Did their evaluation go up? SERIOUSLY doubt it.
Did they lose a chunk of userbase? Not as much as we would have hoped. However, quality != quantity. And, I am willing to bet they lost a more vocal part of their userbase.
In the end, they will prob still push for IPO. In the end Spez will still be swimming in dollars. But, not nearly as many dollars as he could have had....
As a former Reddit user, I'd like to think I traded up to the fediverse.
Of course Reddit won. Not to diminish the efforts of everyone who participated, but all we’re doing here is sowing the seeds for something that might compete one day. There was never a chance of a full platform shift within the set two days of protest or whatever. Give it time, we’ll see Reddit squeeze every penny it can out of its users after IPO. Then, maybe as time goes on people will be looking for other places to go and Lemmy or some other platform will be a more viable option. It took Reddit over a decade to get to where it is, so of course we shouldn’t expect an equal competitor to pop up in a few weeks.
Yeah bruh, Reddit can have the bots and thots. Fuck that noise.
Yeah, Reddit managed to suppress the protests, but saying they won is just not knowing the full story. From Reddit's point of view, this has always been about their IPO, but all this mess did nothing to help with it. In fact, we even got that infamous spez quote saying Reddit isn't profitable, which can only make things worse for them.
When they finally decide to push for their IPO and they aren't unable to provide the profits the investors want, then the enshittification will just accelerate and people will start leaving.
Yup, reddit never cared about the user. They're not a nonprofit. They're a business. So this wasn't a surprise to me.